Who Killed Jennifer Judd? - Your Next Listen: Fear Thy Neighbor

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

If you're looking for your next listen, check out Fear Thy Neighbor, from ID. What would you do if the person you feared most… was living right next door? On Fear Thy Neighbor, we dive deep into stranger than fiction stories about neighbors gone wrong. We’ll hear these true stories as told by the victims, their families and their neighbors... featuring real 911 calls and surveillance archives. Tune in to hear what happens when simple issues turns into living nightmares with horrific and often fatal consequences.Check out the first episode of the new season here, and follow Fear Thy Neighbor wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Most violent crimes that capture the public's imagination are about serial killers, mass shooters, or crimes of passion. Yet some of the most shocking conflicts we encounter are between everyday neighbors and ordinary neighborhoods. We're in a wealthy enclave of the breathtaking Aloha state. It's where a big-hearted widow has offered an old friend's sanctuary in her home. Between his delightful company and the work he does. around her place, it's a beautiful arrangement. Even better, the neighbors all seem to love him too, at least initially. Paradise doesn't last long. As the old friend grows increasingly paranoid, tensions rise, leaving the entire neighborhood fearful of what will come next. Yet in their wildest dreams,

no one could predict the horrific violence that will eventually rain down on them. This is Fear Thy neighbor. Hell in Hawaii. Just minutes from the sands of Waikiki Beach, the beautiful diamond head neighborhood radiates Hawaii's warm and generous nature. Residents Rebecca Atkinson and Stephanie Sophos sing its praises. It's like paradise. You know, everyone's happy because it's full of blue skies and we're right by the ocean. In Hawaii, you know, there is the Aloha spirit. Everyone will care for each other. The community spirit is really nice. When you walk down the street, you always see someone you know. You're always invited for a cocktail on the side.

We're very, very close. It's a place that you really love to be in. Hybiscous Drive is home to retired university librarian Lois Kane. She's remained very active since her husband's passing, says close friend Janice Morrow. Lois was probably the most outgoing, extroverted, fun, bubbly person I've ever met. super, super bright and super energetic. She just adored her friends, and she was very kind, almost to a fault, because she would meet people on the street and bring them home

and give them a place to live for months at a time. That's how she was. She was very generous. Very nice. I put here, yes? Yes. No one benefits from Lois's warmth and hospitality more than Yaroslav Hanel, known to everyone as Yarda.

Yarda's the caretaker at the condominiums where Lois used to live. When Yarda finds himself in need of a new place to live, Lois wastes no time opening her home to him. Yarda came and lived with her downstairs and she lived upstairs. And just like that, an arrangement is struck. Yarda resides at Lois' rent-free, and in return, he works on her home and garden. They had a very strong relationship.

I think she looked at him more like a son than anything else. And he helped her. He took care of her. I mean, he really maintained the house. Lois's tenant endears himself to everyone he meets. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I got something for you. Like Lois' neighbor across the street, Jen Tima. This is for you and your family to plant at home.

He did a lot of nice things for the neighbors for many years. Thank you, and thank you for fixing the sing. Oh, my pleasure. Of course. If anybody needed help around the house, he was this big, strong guy who could fix things. They liked him a lot because everywhere I went with him, people were like, hey, Yardah. It was almost, they adored him. Real estate broker Warren Daniel lives right next door with his two young daughters.

Hey, Yardah. Here's Warren's attorney, David Hayakawa. As David explains, Warren is similarly held in high regard within the community. Warren had terrific relationships with all his neighbors. He would just be the good neighbor and help out. Don't forget the barbecue tomorrow, Warren. You betcha. When the Hybiscous drive neighbors aren't helping out, they're hanging out.

At one of Lois's many got-togethers. Yarda would barbecue and he'd stand there all day long barbecuing and talking to people. He was the best, and it was really a lovely, lovely time. Those are wonderful memories for me. But at one particular party, Things take a strange turn. Janice Morrow is visiting the island to spend time with her dear friend Lois.

Here she is to explain what happens next. Every break, I went back and I stayed with her for two to three weeks at a time. Janice looked at Lois like a second mom. Janice also knows Yarda, and they have a very friendly relationship. But when she asks to take his photograph, he suddenly turns dark.

I want a picture. No, no picture. No photo. Come on me. You're like. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. No, I said.

No photo. I meant it. Okay. He didn't like his picture taken at all. He'd go ballistic if you tried. He was really private. What's wrong with him? I've never seen him like this.

Yet Yarder's bizarre outburst is soon forgotten, especially when more pressing concerns arise. Lois's mother, got sick. She was in her 90s, and she was progressively getting worse. She adored her mom. Lois's mother lives in San Diego. There's no question Lois has to go to her immediately. Yarda steps up with comfort and assurance. You go. I take care of everything. Thank you, Yarda. So Lois moved to San Diego. I think she expected to be there about six months to a year. With his new friend and landlord away indefinitely, and Janice now back home, Yarda is left alone and in charge of Lois's house.

As Janice explains, Yarda's presence comes as a big relief to Lois in her time of need. She liked knowing that he was there because he could take care of the yard, send her her mail, or if anything came up, he could just take care of it. Yet as months go by, Yarda's caretaking begins to extend beyond the house and into the entire neighborhood, especially when he thinks he's being invaded. Attorney David Hayakawa explains. Tourists would walk from Waikiki and they're trying to get the lookout overlooking

this diamond head, all the surf below. So there's always these tourists walking through the neighborhood. Many of the tourists trek near the property line to take pictures of the beautiful vista, and it's something that sets Yarda off. Hey! What are you doing? In Yarda's mind, I believe he visualized himself as the neighborhood watchman

who was going to protect the entire neighborhood from strangers. No! And especially tourists. Erase him now! He would walk up to the tourists and demand that they erase those photographs. Go! They are watching us! Friend and close neighbor, Stephanie Sophos, tries to calm the waters.

Is everything okay, Yardah? I said, why are you doing? doing that? They're not hurting you. Why are you doing that? Yarda gives an alarming answer. He said they're KGB. They're following me. They're watching me. The KGB is watching every move and make. To the residents of Diamondhead, the notion of KGB spies is absurd. But Yarda has a dramatic history. You have to understand Yardah in that he was born in the Czech Republic and he went into the Czech army. He didn't want to be in the communist country anymore, and he escaped.

And he went to Germany and asked for asylum to America. Yet in his adopted country, the expat remains haunted by old ghosts. And now, there's something else stoking his anger. I lost my job at the condo. What? Oh, I'm so sorry. He was fired from that job because he got very gruff with a couple of owners. He was very rude.

He was just rah-rah-rah-rah-rah. He would just bark to them in his rough English, and people didn't like that, and they fired him. The KGB is behind this too. There seems no way to convince Yarda he's not being monitored. He was really getting a little bit sketchy. But it was manageable. I said, Yarda, no one's here to hurt you.

No one cares. Without his job at the condo, Yarda finds himself with more time on his hands. So he throws himself to him. deeper into his work on Lois' home. He didn't have a job. He was home all day. It was a historic house, so it needed a lot of work. And the handyman becomes increasingly obsessed

with keeping trespassers out of the neighborhood. Neighbor Rebecca Atkinson bears witness. Hey! You have no business being here! He would approach cars with people just parked on the street and pretty much being aggressive and asking, like, what are they doing there? Hey!

You're spying here! Go it! Go it! He would have these Google glasses on and then these big sunglasses in front of them to kind of hide them. But you can see him, like, managing it, taking video. It was really odd to see Yarda walking around the neighborhood like that. It may be crazy. He'd have his GoPro either clipped to his shirt or a little mount on his hat or carrying it. He'd always have cameras on.

Residents of Hybiscous Drive consider that Yarda could be afflicted with PTSD from his time in the Czech But whatever is fueling his paranoia, this once happy community is about to become a living hell. As neighbor Janice Morrow explains, the once peaceful neighborhood is now on edge. Everybody eventually became scared of him. He put cameras up. He thought people were spying on him. There were cameras on the porch, down the driveway, up to the side stairs through the kitchen. There was cameras there.

There was cameras at the bottom of the door. driveway, he had cameras pointed everywhere. You can imagine sitting in his man cave downstairs, watching these cameras, waiting for them to come at him. Yarda would stay at home and watch his security cameras. I thought when I saw all this that, oh, this is not good. This is not going to end well. The longer he stayed at Loises, he became kind of territorial like it was his house.

could be very intimidating. As tensions grow in the neighborhood, Lois remains on the mainland tending to her ailing mother. Even when News of Yardo's recent erratic behavior makes it back to her, Lois stands by her tenant. She did feel bad for the neighbors, you know, that they were having to deal with all this. But here she is taking care of her mom.

I think it was just so overwhelming for her. She would protect him, and when people criticized him, she would defend him no matter what. But defending Yarda is going to get harder and harder. On one occasion, next-door neighbor Warren Daniel finds some of his garden plants have been hacked to pieces. I can tell you that Yarda didn't like his neighbors on both sides.

He didn't like Warren Daniel. To protect himself, Warren has started documenting Yarda's trail of harassment, which includes the handyman using his cameras to spy on Warren's home. Their houses were super close, so if I was Warren, I wouldn't want all these cameras pointing at me. But his efforts turn out to be like throwing a match on gasoline. He really went crazy that Warren had come down and taking photos. You do not take photos. My property, keep it to give me that camera.

Easy. Easy. He ended up shoving Mr. Daniels into a tree. Don't take pictures. The neighborhood eccentric has just crossed a line. Warren calls police and Yarda is charged with third-degree assault. I don't know if they were provoking each other, but Warren said that Yarda pushed him, broke his shoulder.

He had been attacked, he had been confronted numerous times, destroyed plants, harassing workers, then he filed a restraining order. Warren's TRO, or temporary restraining order, states Yarda has to stay off his property and is not allowed to contact, threaten, or pester him. Yet even after, After the incident, Yarda still hasn't burned all his bridges in the neighborhood. I think the neighbors were more sympathetic toward Yarda because he was a caretaker living there.

And Warren is a very successful real estate agent in town, and maybe people just felt like he was some rich guy in the neighborhood picking on Yarda. Eventually, the assault charges against Yarda are dismissed. But still, tension is brewing. Come get the ball. When Yarda brings a dog named Butch into his life, neighbors, including Stephanie Sofos, hope the furry friend will finally help him calm down. He would go from morning to evening with that dog.

They would play in the park, they'd be on the beach, they did everything together. With Butch in the picture, Yarda seems happier than he has in ages. But he doesn't forget the neighbor who filed a restraining order against him. All of a sudden, Yarda with his dog running right up to them. He'd throw the ball right by these people so the dog would run right up to them. Yarda, leave us alone, please? Yarda finds inventive ways to respect the letter while still getting under his neighbor's skin. One of the most egregious examples of Mr. Hennel's fixation on just harassing Mr. Daniels was he had this little platform and he put a barbecue

on top of it and filled that barbecue with wet leaves and lighter fluid and would light it so that this billowing smoke would just come into the Daniel's house, the property and everything else. Yarda, stop. This is intimidation. It is perfectly legal. So that's just one example of the kind of thing we had to go back to court for. When Warren Daniel is granted amendments to his TRO, Yarda is incensed by the

new restrictions. And the judge basically said, you can't do this smoke. The dog must be under leash. Security cameras cannot be pointed at Warren's house, and then he cannot be filming with his own GoPro in the area in front of the houses. Yardah finally backs away from confronting Warren, but soon finds a new obsession in the neighborhood, Rebecca Atkinson. I would always be walking down the street,

and I'd be texting or playing a game on my phone. He didn't like that I had a phone in my hand because he felt like that was me recording him. No one could have imagined this happening. You were taking photos of my house. Why? I didn't. Can you stop, please?

No. I'll call the police. I don't care. I am not breaking the law. So he just started videoing and taking pictures, and he started to put the camera right in front of my face. And Jen, who lives across the street, saw him, and she called out Yarda. What are you doing? She's your neighbor.

Yarda, hey, Rebecca lives here. Yarda, put that down now. She is KGB. She's watching my house. No, she's not? Yes, she is. Yarda, she lives here. No. Yarda, come on.

I know this woman is KGB. Yardah. She's KGB. No. But he just kept doing it. They just kept trying to avoid him, but it was really difficult. Please, I'm begging you. Keep me alone.

He was growing up into her house, taking pictures of her constantly. I'm calling the police. It became clear that I really needed the law on my side because I couldn't do anything. It's my neighbor. He won't leave me alone. He's following me. As a woman, I felt just horrible. And I just wondered, what is he doing with these pictures? Is he posting them all on his wall, like a crazy person? What if he's, like, exing out my eyes or my face?

Or he's just, like, being obsessed with me. As Becca explains, while all the people in the community seem sympathetic to her, they're not exactly supportive. All the neighbors that I talked to, including Lois, they all kind of had the same thing about him being harmless. They just kind of accepted his behaviors very odd and not nice and thinking it wouldn't go any further. So I actually moved towards getting a restraining order. While his near constant surveillance is no doubt unsettling for Becca, he never was. threatens or lays his hands on her. So the court denies her request to rein him in.

Taking my picture on a public sidewalk in public places was totally legal. But the judge and the attorneys had the idea of signing a gentleman's agreement that listed about 12 different things. And it included not walking on the sidewalk in front of each other's homes, not taking each other's pictures or video, basically staying away from each other. Yardos signs the agreement, but he doesn't honor it. And Rebecca's nightmare keeps spiraling. He would stand in the middle of the road so he wasn't on the sidewalk.

Sometimes I just felt so defeated about it. I couldn't do anything about it. Lois Keynes' tenant remains the protector of all he surveys, whether the neighbors like it or not. And it's about to get a whole lot worse. In October 2018, Lois' mother passes away in California, allowing Lois to finally return home, but not to any peace and quiet. Please, you have to do something.

You don't know him like I do. He had no idea what he's done. My daughters are afraid to leave the house. I think she felt when they were complaining about Yarda that they were making more of it than it was. Maybe if you left him alone? I think that Lois felt that Warren was exacerbating the situation with Yarda by getting that restraining order.

The conflict is locked in a stalemate. Then, tragedy strikes when Yarda's beloved Butch dies. Utterly distraught, Yarda wants his best friend mourned and honored by the whole neighborhood. Stephanie Sophos and Janice Morrow explained. He built the coffin for the dog, and he had the coffin and the dog on the front yard of the house so that people could go by and mourn his dog. That's how much he loved that dog. Butch was the only thing keeping him in touch with the reality.

And after he died, he just went into solitude and darkness. And he got more and more dark. He wanted Lois to give him $50,000 to clone Butch. He had read that Barbara Streisand, that singer had cloned her dog into three other dogs or something like that. So he was convinced that he could clone Butch. And then he asked for another dog. And she said, no, no. She never wanted dogs to begin with.

Like I said, I had known her she had never had pets at the house. While the dog's public funeral is initially seen as unusual by the neighbors, an owl poses a much more potent problem. And after the fourth day, he started to smell. And he wouldn't remove it. It's a Lois called the people who take animals, and they took the dog. In the midst of Yarda's loss, Janice Morrow makes another one of her.

yearly visits from the mainland to visit Lois. And during her trip, she makes sure to spend time with Yarda and commiserate with him. He was such a good dog. You see? Yeah. Yeah. But on this occasion, Janice has more pressing concerns to discuss with her old friend Yarda. I was in a store that got robbed.

I was held at gunpoint. I got scared and I started thinking maybe I should get a gun. And so I was asking him questions about guns. What kind of gun should I get? Maybe a shotgun. What do you think of this? Oh, heavy. So he pulled out a few guns, and he showed me he collected machetes,

and then he pulled out a grenade. I thought it was strange. I was like, is that real? Hey! Janice has no idea Yarda's large stash of weapons is illegal. Attorney David Hayakawa explains. These guns were not registered under the restraining. order, he was prohibited under federal law from having a weapon.

Lois never mentioned, you know, Yarda having guns or weapons or anything. So I don't think she ever even thought about it. She felt that he was harmless. She thought he was eccentric and, you know, a little bit paranoid. But for many neighbors, Yarda has long surpassed eccentric and becomes something much worse. He started doing all these other random things to me, like chasing my car on foot. My heart was pounding and I felt very violated and I wasn't sure how can you always avoid him if he's around the neighborhood too. Warren couldn't even go check his mail without kind of walking a little side route there and peering around the corner to see if a yard is hiding there.

When you have that level of fear slash concern slash being freaked out by the strange man next door where you can't get your mail without having a stressful occurrence, every single time, that takes an emotional toll on you. When Warren Daniels temporary restraining order expires and Yardis shows no signs of letting up, he joins forces with neighbor Rebecca Atkinson. We're just out of loss, and he said, okay, why don't we use the same attorney

and let's work on this together? Warren and Rebecca submit new filings, and the court grants both new temporary restraining orders. And they finally gave me the TRIO, so he would have to stay away from me. He wasn't allowed to have firearms. He wasn't allowed to take my picture or video anymore. The courts can compel Yarda to change his ways,

but they can't change his state of mind. His behavior, if anything, just got more dark. He became more of a recluse. He just stayed in that house, and he watched those cameras. And now, there's something else stirring up this toxic mix. Yarda had shoulder surgery for his rotator cuff, so he had a busted shoulder, and they were giving him painkillers. But he was also drinking. That's a bad combination, drinking and painkillers.

You're in pain, you're drinking, you're giving some drugs, and you're angry. Wanting to lash out at his enemies, Yardah makes a series of drunken 911 calls complaining about the Daniel family. What follows is an actual police body cam recording. Did you call 911? I did. What is your complaint? The complaint was that over there. I just came from there. There's nobody there.

Jerry, we checked the area. You did. We went over there, we checked it, and it's fine. You are going to arrest me? Not necessarily. Oh, well, go on. He's gotten naked. You are drunk right now.

You are completely drunk right now. You have broken the law. I broke their law. Good kind of rule. This is of 911. So we're going to cite you. He kept calling 911 over and over again. And at that point, they arrested him for obstructing justice.

Lois rescues Yarda from trouble, as she has with increasing frequency since her return. yet even this kind-hearted soul is starting to reach her limit. She had even gone to court for him. It's so expensive and it's so time-consuming. And it was just draining her physically. Their relationship went south because she was just getting constant emails and calls

and having to deal with it. She was more concerned that some of the neighbors were threatening to sue her. She had the lawyers sending her. letters that they were going to sue her and take her house if she didn't do something about Yarda. In the midst of all this stress, Lois's home life gets even more complicated. Hey, Lois. Lois decides to once again open her home to someone in need. A friend named Gisela King moves in with her son and husband while they're looking for a new home.

The Kings were living upstairs, Yarda was living downstairs, and Lois was reduced to one bedroom in her own house. And so she wanted to have her house back. It just was escalating more and more and more issues. The breaking point for Lois is triggered by a seemingly minor incident. She didn't like smoking at her house. And one time she was upstairs and she smelled smoke and she went down and told them to put a cigarette out.

I said no smoking yard. Whatever. Hey. And then he just got another one and lit up. again like you're not telling me what to do, F you, and that's when she said, that's it, you're out of here. You have 30 days to move out. I mean it.

You're gone. Easy to say, unfortunately not so easy to do. Everybody thought he was moving out because he had been moving boxes. So Lois really thought he was going to leave. But when moving day arrives, Lois finds Yarda's living area barricaded shut. He completely locked her out, so that just turned into a war. Ficked you. Do you want that? You want to kick me out?

She was angry and frustrated. Pushed to her limit, Lois finally hires an eviction lawyer. When Janice Morrow flies in from California two weeks later, Yarda is still bunkered in. Lois? And now he's locked Lois out of her basement office. And she was in the process of crawling through the window, and I was like, what's going on? Oh, my gosh. Are you okay? Are you? Yes. Thank you. It was a horrific situation. I thought she'd get hurt with her bad heart, that she'd fall, break a hip, or the window would slam on her, that basically he'd trap her.

The courts grant low as a hearing in her eviction request, and Yarda is ordered to appear before a magistrate. But Stephanie Sophos has a bad feeling. I said he's up to something. He doesn't have any place to go. He's going to be. homeless. He was getting desperate. And when people are desperate, they do desperate things. I said, I'm worried about you. It'll be fine. Don't worry about me. Don't worry about me. It's all taken care of. Everything will be fine. But Lois is dead wrong. On the Sunday morning of January 19, 2020, I usually walk the dogs between 7 and 8 in the morning. That particular day was so cool and it was so comfortable

and the bed was so cozy. I just didn't want to get out of bed. I left the house at 8.30. I walked down to Waikiki, went to do yoga. Lois Kane is at home. Yarda has recently taken his makeshift barricade down and she heads to the basement. It probably was to do long.

I mean, she had to do her laundry down there. This will prove to be a tragic mistake. Yarda? Yarda? Something snapped in Yarda. Something snapped. Upstairs, tenant Gisela King hears terrible sounds coming from the basement. Gisela King heard some type of noise like a scream or a fighting.

She just had a bad feeling. She turned around and she heard like a, like a gasp or something. Then she hears again, Uh-oh. Lois? Gisela has no idea that Yarda Hennell has brutally attacked Lois with a shovel.

She just knows something is very wrong. And then she stepped outside, she was four feet from the door, and she starts to call 911 on her phone. At that moment, Yarda bursts out of the house. He stabs her in her left breasts, in her stomach, in her stomach and on her legs. There was blood everywhere. Yarda retreats into the basement.

The badly injured Gisela gets a lucky break when Ian Felix, an army veteran, happens to pass by. I saw Gisela was in the ground, and she's bleeding. She had an injury on the head. It was a big gosh. Neighbors Stephanie Sophos and Jan Tima have also heard Gisela's screams and come running. So I immediately ask

if anybody has a first date because I've been in combat, I have training for stopping, bleeding, and all that. Meanwhile, Yarda resumes his horrific assault on Lois, his former friend and protector. And that's when the police officers started coming.

Honolulu PD officers, Tiffany Enriquez, and Kuala Lama, are thrust into the chaos. Where is he? Side officer. He would. have seen their every move because there were cameras everywhere. Mr. Hinald.

Something just flipped the switch that day. Let's talk. Decided that was the day. He's going to take everybody out with him. Mr. Hennel! All of a sudden, you hear that, boom. I will never forget that sound. Both officers are struck at close range with shotgun blasts.

Yarda again flees to the basement as more police arrive, including a SWAT team. And then all hell broke loose. It became a war zone. Get down, get down, get down. Officer down, get down, run, take cover, take cover. Officers Enriquez and Kalama are extracted from the scene and rush to the hospital. Warren immediately runs and gets the police attention to make sure they understand,

hey, you guys just can't go down there because he's got security cameras everywhere. Yarda may be cornered, but he still has one last deadly card to play. As SWAT teams descend on Lois' house, it goes up in full. At that point, I think he believed it was the end for him. And when the fire started, I hide behind the wall. Because I'm thinking Yarda is going to try and kill as many people as he can in a blaze of glory. Here is actual audio of law enforcement on the scene reacting as the house burns. Hey, make sure you have a second way out against his house goes up.

Watch that left side of the house. The house is completely engulfed on the Makai side, Bakai, Kokoahead side, completely engulfed. Oh my god. For a better position, pull back so you can see. Pull back so you can see if this guy leaves the house. Is that house to the Koko Head side evacuated? The fire is going to spread. It just was shocking and I couldn't understand why the fire trucks weren't coming in.

But then I realized they're still an active shooter. Their lives are at risk. Next thing you know the fire is going off and bullets are exploding everywhere probably because you already had a stash of ammunition there that started blowing off constantly. With all these bullets going off, the firemen couldn't do their job. Soon, seven houses are ablaze, triggering a neighborhood evacuation. Janice Morrow learned something has happened on Hibiscus Drive but doesn't know what's going on. So I called a friend and said, is that Lois's house? And she said, yes, we're all at the park.

It is Lois's house, Yarda burned down her house, and no one has seen Lois. So I just kind of broke. I just felt in my heart at that moment. Like, I just knew right away she was dead. When finally cleared to go in, firefighters confront a terrifying inferno. The devastation is beyond belief. The body of Lois Kane is found in her charred basement. Yarda Hennell's remains are also recovered.

Gisela King survives her brutal attack. But officers Tiffany Enriquez and Kowalika are not as lucky. They succumb to their wounds. God bless those two officers that died for us. They came to help us, and they gave the ultimate sacrifice. Janice Morrow mourns her dear friend. Lois was very, very loving, and I know she'd be devastated to know that these police officers were killed in everyone's homes, and I know she'd be sorry that she didn't act sooner,

but it might have just been fear, just 100% fear. You know, to be honest, I mean, it's still kind of numb. He could have, I was there for three weeks. I mean, he could have killed all of us, you know. My mom felt right away that he waited, he heard me leave. We had been friends. She felt like he didn't want to hurt me, and that's why he waited until after I left.

But I'll never know if it was just God's grace or if he really saw me. I called up Warren to check on how he, he was doing and he said, my house is gone and all my possessions, but it's nothing compared to these families of these officers. You know, Dave, it's crazy. It's crazy. I'm very lucky that my house was okay and I was okay.

And, you know, I've since seen my neighbors that are starting the rebuild process. So that's starting to happen, which is nice to see. We'll never bring back people and will never bring back what we love. which was an innocence of having all of us together and trusting each other. This podcast is produced by Cream Productions in association with Fremantle Media and ID. You can check out Fear Thy Neighbor on Max, Discovery Plus, and ID.