Who Knew It with Matt Stewart - 135 - Mish Wittrup and Tom Cashman

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

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Ahoy ho, it's the titular Matt Stewart just letting you know that I'm about to start my Melbourne run at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival from the 8th of April at Spleen bar so pumped come see me bad boy That's an am the show now on with this show Acas powers the world's best podcast. Here's a show that we recommend. In the fall of 2001, while Americans were still grappling with the horror of September 11th, envelopes started showing up at media outlets and government buildings filled with a white lethal powder, anthrax. But what's strange is if you ask people now what happened with that story almost no one knows

It's like the whole thing just disappeared Who mailed those letters? Do you know? From wolf entertainment USG audio and CBC podcasts. This is aftermath the hunt for the anthrax killer available now Acast helps creators launch grow and monetize their podcasts everywhere a cast calm Welcome to Who Knew, the show where the guests write the wrong answers. I'm the titular Matt Schoen, our first guest is host of Mission Zack's Leguizama Armor. It's Mish Witchrop. Hello. How you doing?

So good to have you back. Thank you so much for having me. My favorite, my favorite podcast to do. Big Wet. I'm big. I'm awful. I'm a horrible, but I hate who I am when I'm here. Oh, the listeners love it, though. Yeah, I know. And I'm an icon.

I'm a really... Honestly, Comedy Festival just happened, right? Yeah. I get stopped more with people yelling big wet at me than my actual fucking name. Honestly. And it's fine. I don't mind because I find it funny, but people are usually around. Yeah. And it's really awkward. That would be confusing for bystanders. Well, yeah, because even if they ask me, why do they call you that?

My answer is I don't know, because I don't remember. Yeah, I can't remember either. It's definitely not as an interesting story as, you know, leaving it up to the imagination. This is very intimidating to come up to a podcast, which, you know, I've done before and I enjoy, but I don't listen to everyone. And I now know that you're like this kind of heralded god in this context. I'm coming in all afresh. Like, is this all real?

Are you fucking with me? Like, this could, this would be a funny prank to play. I mean, like, oh, she's got a nickname. She's being stopped in the street, being amazing at the precise game we're about to play. It's like, oh, right. Good to be here, I guess. But you're a good game player yourself. Our second guest this week is host of Taskmaster Australia, Tom Cashman.

Thank you very much for having me. And yeah, I mean, look, thanks for complimenting me in advance. But I'm I suppose not loving my chances based on the situation. It's honestly I don't know how it happened, but if I'm if I'm losing, I'm chill. Right. I don't care. But as soon as I start to win, I feel the need to maintain that. And how do you do that? Like strategy wise? I don't care. But as soon as I start to win, I feel the need to maintain that. And how do you do that, like, strategy wise in this game? I don't care about hurting people. In what way? How can you hurt someone in this?

Well, I would say even now, she's probably playing the game. Yeah, right. Like, I don't know how she's manipulating you, but I feel like she probably is. Well, like, what's an example of a move that you've done that gives you notoriety in these circles? Oh, Tom, if I would tell you this right now, are you joking? Probably is. What's an example of a move that you've done that gives you notoriety in these circles? Oh, Tom, if I would tell you this right now, are you joking? That's very cute. She is good.

She is good. Well, no, I once came on with Zach Ruane to do the show and it was, honest, this is not a joke, we did the show and then afterwards we had to check in with each other. Yeah, right. Like, do a proper like, you call, we call. Yeah, we're good. OK.

I'm yeah, I wouldn't do what I did to Zach to you. So it's but yeah, what kind of like the banter between or because. No, it just becomes very like, did I did I write that one? Maybe I didn't. Maybe I wrote this one. You're talking shit while the guessing is occurring. Yeah, it's a psychological warfare. Yeah. OK, you're treating it like poker. I'll be gentle.

I literally both put on sunglasses during that episode. But you know, we're. Jimmy Clear, Zack beat me. OK, yeah. Yeah, but then the next one, I beat him. Hmm. Yeah, somehow, like he doesn't get the respect. Yeah, that's right.

I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure why. All right. So this is the way the show works. I ask a relatively obscure trivia question. Our contestants have to write a convincing answer. Yeah, well, I say that to get because they'll be listed as God. I know that. Yeah, too. So it's just for them. Relatively obscure.

I'm sure someone out there will know. One pedant. Basically, my eye check all the questions before putting them in and my threshold is, do I know it? Yeah. And I feel like I'm the every man. If I know it, probably a lot of people know it. If I don't know it, probably a lot of people don't know it.

Yeah, exactly. That's the system. Yeah, good system. So, yes, then I'll read out your answers as well as the real one, and then you have to guess which one is correct. And the first question comes from listener Susie from Sacramento, aka Sacramento Suze. So Suze's question is, what does Elotrichus mean? What does Elotrichus mean?

How do you spell that? U-L-O-T-R-I-C-H-O-U-S. I would have said E-L-O-T-R-I-C-H-O-U-S, but Suze has phonetically spelled it out for me. E-L-O-T-R-I-C-H-O-U-S. While you're writing your answers, I'll explain how the scoring works. So you get one point if your fake answer

is guessed by the other contestant, and another point if you correctly guess the answer. And by the way, I'm also playing as the house, and I've put in two of my own fake answers for each question with the help of the question writers, and I'll get a point for each one of those that our guests choose. So each of us can score up to two points per round,

which seems fair, but the probability actually favors me, the house. And the house always wins, so if you've listened to previous episodes, you'll know this is not necessarily the case. Anyway, our questions come from our great Patreon supporters. If you want to submit a question, sign up on any level via patreon.com slash dugo and pod,

which is linked in the show notes. Hey, while I've got you filming these episodes these days, I'm putting up some clips. So if you follow us on the social medias, Instagram, Facebook, etc. at whonewitpod and yeah, follow us either way. I normally post a photo of the the animal that we've made up names for and whatnot. Just a bit of fun, okay? Answers are in for question one. So here's the question once again. What does Elotricus mean? An item or items owned by someone who hates it slash them? Option one. Option two. Having woolly or crisp hair option three the

feeling you get when watching an entertainer flounder option for the hormone that triggers sexual attraction in most insects which is which encourages mating or finally when a meal has been made so voluminously it results in leftovers voluminously. Hmm. I'm so sorry, could you read them again? An item or items owned by someone who hates it or them. Having woolly or crisp hair. The feeling you get when watching an entertainer flounder. The hormone that triggers sexual attraction in most insects, which encourages mating.

When a meal has been made so voluminously, it results in leftovers. Mish, what do you think? The feeling you get when you're watching a performer flounder is probably how I will feel in a few minutes when I look over at Tom Cashman. Can I ask you a question? Of course, yeah. I'm hearing a few of these after certain propositions. Hmm.

All those strategic. No, that's just filling space. No, I don't think you go after your own. Oh, really? Or maybe you would. Oh, maybe that's a no trick. Maybe.

Or you wouldn't share your favorite one that you're going to guess, because then that would be helping the opposition. Well, I hate going first. Maybe I don't, though. Well, that's really not my concern. That's your emotional state. I'm talking about the gameplay.

I'm going to have Thai food for dinner. Or am I? I am actually. My partner just messaged me and asked me if I wanted a pad thai. Okay. Maybe that's too irrelevant. I am going to go with crispy hair. Crispy hair. I'm not looking crispy for Mish.

What do you think, Tom? I'm going to go the first one. And if I'm tricked, I'm tricked. But item or items, it or them is very definitional style language. And if Mish is capable of that kind of definitional style language, then hats off to you. All right, here's who wrote the answers. When a meal was made so voluminously, it results in leftovers. That was the house.

Yeah, I just wanted to, I started with the word voluminous, you know, worked out for a bit. I don't think it makes sense in context. Yep. The hormone that triggers sexual attraction. This was gonna be the one I picked. That was Tom. Ooh. What hormone that triggers sexual attraction. This was going to be the one I picked. That was Tom. Oh, the feeling you get when watching an entertainer flounder. That was Susie slash the

house. An item or items owned by someone who hates it or them. Tom went for that. I'm afraid that was Mish. And Mish is also correct, it is having Wooly or Crispy. Yes! Oh for fuck's sake. This is absolute bullshit. Oh God. It or them, items or items. The ex-lawyer in me is like, that's official. That's official stuff right there.

That's very well-worded. Jesus. That was, I-worded. Jesus. So that was, I can't, can I just explain the reason I'm like this in this podcast? I'm a good person. I'm a nice person. I'm kind. I'm not that competitive. Yes, you are.

It's okay to be competitive. I'm not. Until I, the feeling I got when you said, I'm going to pick this because there's no way and because she went, hmm, it's all everything just came together. And I've never felt more complete. What do you think the description competitive describes? It describes the extent to which you feel the feeling you just described. Yes, I only get it in this room on this point. During competitions.

Yes, it's true. Actually, I don't do anything else competitive. You're competitive. Yeah. All right. But in this room specifically with on this podcast. Yes, that's healthy competitiveness, in my view, is during the competition. Unhealthy relationship with competitiveness. After the competition, people still fuming. Yeah, that's unhealthy. Yeah, that's right. And actually competing and getting used to that as a team,

I think, develops a healthy relationship. And within the bounds of the competition, that's where it's healthy to feel it. And you shouldn't be ashamed. But you are very competitive. Don't also don't make me lose and be like, and I don't give a fuck about this. I never studied for the exam and then they just leave 10 minutes early. To be really clear, I still want everyone to have a good time. I'll get fucking lost. All right. Question two comes from Moni Wasing from Sydney.

What a name. From Sydney, she's one of yours. Yep. Moni's question is, which of these are real species of bird? So you've just got to come up with a species of bird. OK. You don't have to describe them or anything, just the name of the species of bird. OK. Obviously, it's, you know, interesting enough for Moni to have sent it in. While you're writing those answers, here's some more info about the word alotrichus. Susie writes, first recorded in 1855 to 1860, from New Latin, it is formally a name

for a division of humankind from the Greek ulo-trichus for singular curly haired equivalent to ulos thick fleecy and trichos or trichosh haired derivative of thrix which is hair. Sue says it's wild that having a certain hair type cause people to freak out and create a new division of humankind. Curly haired people that's a new division of humankind. Curly haired people, that's a new division. All right, answering for question number two. Which of these is the real name of a species of bird? Dog-faced parrot. Mega Pelican.

Teal-breasted toggler. Damien's mother or tawny-throated leaf tosser. Jesus, they all sound fake as hell. Yeah. Sorry, once more, please, Matt Stewart. Dog Face Parrot, Mega Pelican, Teal Breasted Togler, Damien's Mother or Tawny Throated Leaf Tosser. Who answered, you answered the first one, Mish.

So, Tom, it's your crack here. Well, I'm just not incentivised to justify my logic in any way, shape or form. Yeah, that's true. I have been kind of like talking aloud and then that's but that's a second go kind of deal. In this case, I should keep my mouth shut other than to confirm the answer. Oh, my God. Sorry, what was that? What did you say?

I misspoke. I made a mistake that won't be punished within the bounds of the game, but will be punished by the players as an ancillary little move that they do. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm A real breasted toggler, Damien's mother or tawny-throated leaf tosser? Fuck. They're all pretty even. Yeah, they've all got an element of ridiculous. Yeah. But then- So I think one thing I would say is, I don't know how to explain this, but I'm visualising something. Like if you see like a bunch of like dots on a graph and then they're all kind of in the same region and then there'll be an outlier sometimes, right? That's kind of what you're looking for, but analysing them through different lenses to see whether through a few different lenses there's one, because we don't get to see what the other ones are.

So there's a pattern sitting there and then we have to put dots on a canvas. Yes. Not knowing where the remaining dots are. So you could do a similar kind of vibe one. So what do you think it's going to be? Yeah, the house can know the answer. So three of these are sort of kind of grouped in a new two. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Which is I don't I don't try to play with that too much.

I normally just try and do one fake one that is ridiculous and one that's believable. That's my normal. But inevitably you have your own style and that is kind of perceptible to some degree. But then each answers each question is written by someone else and I take one of their fake answers. Oh, true. Yeah, so it's their style. I've thought about all these things, Tom.

No, no, totally. But then, as I said before, that some of the- and I'm sorry, I'm not saying this out loud to say that you haven't thought of it, although I'm just kind of thinking about it. No, I appreciate it. I think last time you were on, you might not remember this, you suggested a different scoring system. Yeah, no, I do remember that. I don't remember the scoring system, but I remember feeling really right. The other dynamic is that the person sending it in is trying to be funny

and they're trying to appeal to your sense of humor. So there is a natural homogeneity there. But I think they're all different. They all bring their own sense of humor and not all of them. Some of them just take the game very seriously and they don't like it to be too silly. Some like it to be particularly silly. So right, but there's still, there's still a bit more limited range than if they were taken from the random people or something. Can I say something?

Yes. I'm a big fan of Survivor, right? I watch Survivor a lot. I've seen almost all this 48 seasons in America. I think I've probably watched maybe 45 of them. Wow. Big, big fan. And the thing with Survivor is, I watch it with my, I got him into probably watched maybe 45 of them. Wow. Big, big fan. And the thing with Survivor is, and I watched it with my, I got him into it, right?

That was my NRL. Wow. I got him into Survivor. And every time he's going, well, this is who's going home. Oh, they've set this person up to win. This is like X, Y and Z. And the thing that's amazing about Survivor is there isn't a winner's edit. There isn't a who's going home edit. There really isn't until like it's you can't really guess.

Because you don't know who's going to be. No, because they don't know. No. So it's not like, you know, when you watch a show and you're like, oh, I know that they've already set this person up to win. Or like if you watch The Bachelor, right. So are you saying that this game that you're winning is really fair like Survivor? Is that basically the point you're making? I'm saying, I'm just, I just wanted to tell, Tom all I wanna-

That this like Survivor is an extremely fair competition and you're getting the sense that I'm kind of, uh, I suppose criticizing the fairness. I'm not, I'm just analyzing the game. I just wanted to tell- And you're getting defensive and you're going this is very fair. I mean we're only one question into a six question game as well, Tom. So I think you're overplaying the Mish lead as well. Yeah, 100 percent. And also, I was just telling a couple of mates about how much I love Survivor. Who wasn't anything else too.

Yeah, right, big win. As if. I was just taking a little swim. Well, why don't you, sometimes people will play it while they, they'll, their strategy will be to pick the one they wish was real. Sometimes they just, you know, try and fugestate it. Tilbreasted Toggler. Tilbreasted Toggler. Locked in for Tom.

What do you think, Big Wet? OK. I want it to be Mega Pelican because I think that's fun. I like pelicans. Yeah, yeah. Dogface Parrot seems a bit too obvious. It's that one to use the most real sounding. Oh, it just seems a little bit too like.

I don't see why the question would be picked if that was the answer. Right. Right. The dog face parrot. Yeah. And I just it doesn't it's not I don't know why it's just not sitting right for me. This is the kind of going through it all that I wanted to do. But I had to take a macro lens on the game generally. I'm sorry.

I was feeling teal breasts. I was. But I might have to go focus on the game. Sorry. Don't tell us about what you did. game. Sorry, my bad. Don't tell us about what you did this half hour. It could be the tosser.

Can you just read through them again for me, please? Dog-faced parrot, mega pelican, teal-breasted toggler, Damien's mother, tawny-throated leaf tosser. I kind of want to go for mega pelican. I don't know why it would be called Mega though. That is like a scientific kind of word, isn't it? They'll talk about if they find a, they'll go, oh, there's an extra branch of pelicans we didn't realise that are bigger. Is this normal to give extra info to one of the players after someone's already locked

in? It's Matt defending his answer that he wrote down. No, it's, no, what I- no. You do sometimes? I'm the house, I'm sort of playing and I'll- I'll normally not lie, but I'll- Yeah, okay. I'll give logic as if I don't know which one's the- I'll- Whichever one she said then, I would have given her a reason why, you know what I mean?

Whether it's real or not. So you're aware of the- yeah, you're like the dealer, but yeah, okay, you have to trust your judgement. There is a feeling deep down that Tom wrote the tosser one. Right. And that's why I'm not going for it, even though I think it could also be it. OK. And the Tom wrote deep feelings. I'm going to go Megapelican. All right. Locked in for Mish. Here's who wrote the answers.

Damien's mother was Mish. It was so much fun for a bird name. That was a fun one. Dog-faced parrot. That was Monty. The questioner, aka The House. Couldn't agree with your logic on that more. The teal-breasted toggler. Tom went for that, I'm afraid.

That was The House as well. Mega pelican, Mish went for that was Tom. Meaning the tawny-throated leaf-tosser was correct. Damn it! Damn it! Okay. You got it down at two. It was interesting. Your feelings were Tom and the OK. You got it down to two.

It was interesting. Your feelings were Tom and the real one, but you zigged when you should have zagged. Yeah, no, that was a rookie move. Tawny, I thought, was too obvious. Like Tawny Frogmouth is one. It's just like you're stealing from a real one. Like that's just- What were your thoughts on Damien's mother?

I thought, to be honest, I thought it was really good and could be a bird, but did strike me as in that plot as a bit of an outlier. Yeah, yeah, 100%. I was so mad when he was reading them out, because I'm like, there's no way that's going to get picked. So obviously written by someone. It's just a bit, which could be the right answer is like that. But generally, that's the point. The house will make the fake answers a bit close to the real answer in a way that that wasn't.

Which is probably where, yeah, if you are thinking like that, dog face parrot was like slightly closer to the real answer in a way that that wasn't. Which is probably where, yeah, if you are thinking like that, dog face parrot was like slightly closer to the real answer. Exactly. Yeah. Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh right now. I respect that. You want to do your little dance or whatever, go for it. All right, we're up to question three and Tom, you'll lock in second, so you'll get to talk through the board on this one. God. This one comes from Lisa Olsen from Colorado Springs, Colorado. How many how many points do I get for what I just did? You got a point. A point.

I know that'll be a problem to you. Was that my house problem the last time? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah, it feels like that should get more. But I mean, then Mish would have got more in the first round. Right. And she would have deserved it. But I mean, then Mish would have got more in the first round. Right. And she would have deserved it. But I mean, doesn't that just mean that it-

No, because you get more awarded for good trickery from one in five. Picking the right answer. Picking the right answer, which is a bit more easy to do in my view. Well, you haven't done it yet. All right. So. It's difficult to come back from that one. This is a question from Lisa Elsa from Colorado Springs, Colorado. And the question is, the NFL's New Orleans Saints have a new player named,

nicknamed Kool-Aid. But what is his real name? Lisa actually wrote this the other way around. What's the nickname of this guy? And I'm like, his real name is more fun than his nickname, I reckon. Yeah, I flipped it over. What's the NFL's got a? And I'm like, his real name is more fun than his nickname, I reckon. Yeah, I flipped it over. What's the NFL's got a new player playing for New Orleans Saints and his nickname is Kool-Aid. But what is his real name?

So it's just a real person's name. A 20 something year old American guy. While you're writing your answers, I'll let the audience know a bit more about these tawny throated leaf tosses, which is a type of ovenbird. According to Monty, the ovenbird is a small songbird in the New World warbler family found in central Mexico and South America. They get their name from the shape of their nest, which is dome-shaped and resembles a Dutch oven. They are monogamous and pairs are often lifelong. People think it's Birdsong sounds like someone saying teacher, teacher over and over again.

And a group of ovenbirds is collectively known as a stew of ovenbirds. What a beautiful collective name. All right, your answers are in. The NFL's New Orleans Saints have a new player, nicknamed Kool-Aid, but what's his real name? John St. John, Gequinsy McCrinsky. Let me try that again. Gequinsy McKinskri, Charles Manson, Radley Grape, or Carlton Underpants.

John St. John, Gequincey McKinstry, Charles Manson, Radley Grape or Carlton Underpants? There's... Okay, no, I can't talk through it. You've... No one's ever done... This is episode like 135 and you're the... No one's ever been so guarded about talking. Well to talk through your logic is to just explain so much of your position to the other opponent.

134 episodes previously where people have not. Well they went up against Big Wap. Can you, sorry one more time, can you read them? John St. John, Gequincey McKinstry, Charles Manson, Radley Grape, Carlton Underpants. It's two or four. Okay. Gequinsy McKinstry or Radley Grape, Radgrape. Hate going first.

I will go with two. Two? Gequinsy McKinstry. Famish. What do you think, Tom? Gequinsy? Why does that have a Kool-Aid? Hmm. Why don't we go through them? Yeah, yeah.

Is it new? Oh, yes. So you got John St. John. John St. John. John St. John. Not funny. Not interesting. Why would that be part of it?

Next one. You get to see you stumbled over that. Get Quincy. So is that a deliberately? I mean, it's just hard to say. So I don't think that was a play, but I just don't think it was. If I ever stumble on anything. Yeah. It's not a play.

You don't know that. You don't know what your mind might do. The lack of familiarity might make you. No, but it might not be a play. Sorry, it might be just you've just been sent this and you don't know how to say it for the first time, as opposed to you probably spent like eight hours preparing all the fake answers. Yeah. And say it over and over again in the studio to make sure that you say it smoothly.

I do and I have a- Because I know you practice for these. Yeah, I have a speaking coach. Yep, exactly. Each day they re-teach me how to speak. Oh, you started at zero. Started at the basics, yeah. Every time you wake up you can't say a word.

Yeah, it's a nightmare. Then you had Charles Manson. OK, now I see where we're getting to the Kool-Aid. He was a serial killer. Yeah. So he's saying and Kool-Aid. Looks like that's a natural nickname for that guy. Yes. In Australia. But I suppose the thing about that particular answer is that that's the one I came up

with. So I know it's not that. Interesting. So then you got Radley Grape. I guess Grape might be a flavour of Kool-Aid. Yeah, that seems a bit obvious. And then you got Carlton Underpants. And then that's just like random crazy. And when it got to the Underpants one, I realised, well, none of these fucking have any

relevance to Kool-Aid and my fake one's kind of the only one other than Grape. So either Grape's hers, but then if Grape was hers then none of them had any relevance. So I think that makes sense that we both tried to do a cool lead reference. So I'm just going to go with what Mish said. Two Gequency McKinstries. All right, locked in. Because I would have thought in America it's just a brand of drink. They don't necessarily think of it being involved with the mass murder.

But that's the only reason we've heard of it. No, no, no. And I just thought that would be like an artful reference to it. Yes. As opposed to just like kind of like a basic reference. Are they locked in now? Yeah, Charles Manson wasn't. I know, but no, I know. It was still of that vibe. Like drink the kool aid.

Are we locked in? Charles Manson's very good. Thank you. Yeah, I loved that. What made you still of that vibe. Another cult. Drinks a cool load. Are we locked in? Charles Manson's very good. Thank you. Yeah, I loved that. What do you think of that? Well, no, because the way I looked at it is like, you wouldn't take that name and then do a reference to the fact that you have the name of a serial killer.

Yeah, but he hasn't come up with a, normally it's a nickname that others are going to use, right? But that's the kind of nickname someone would get, a mate of someone called Charles Manson. A couple of degrees away. You know, cool. Yeah, yeah. But she didn't pick it, so.

Radley Grape was Mish, as you surmised. Carlton Underpants, that was Lisa, aka The House. Johnson John was also The House. And what was it? It was worthless and not really worth, what did you say? It was just boring. Boring and just did, obviously not the answer, and just like... It sucked and whoever... I suppose whoever submitted it should feel ashamed of themselves.

Hahaha! Ah! And... Was that you? Ah, you know. And that means the um... Try and do one believable and one ridiculous. But it was so boring that you're like...

It was so believable it was not believable. Why would it have, yes. His first and surname's the same. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not, there's Saint in there. That's his middle name. His middle name's Saint, that's ridiculous.

But that means you're both correct. It is Gawquincy Mcinstry. Yeah, perfect. Which I think is such a sick name. And we get half a point for that? No, you both get a full point. Oh, for God's sake. You're even arguing down your scores. Yeah, perfect. Which I think is such a sick name. And we get half a point for that. No, you both get a full point. Oh, for God's sake.

You're even arguing down your your scores. I think it is crazy that that name has nothing to do with Kool-Aid. Yeah. Yeah. Well, apparently. And I'm embarrassed for Radley Grape now, because I just assumed there'd be lots of like the Blue Raspberry Jones or something like that. Yeah, you get exposed by this game. Exactly. I thought I thought it was fantastic. Radley Gra. You get exposed by this game. Exactly. I thought it was fantastic.

Radley Grape is just, I would say, an interesting name without that context. Absolutely. Sort of like John St. John. Grape is an excellent surname. No. Can I say the other clue that we were given was you said that this was originally submitted by someone who wanted the answer to be their nickname as opposed to the other way around. And you said, this is a name that's more entertaining than Kool-Aid.

Yes. I don't think Mr. Grape is better than Kool-Aid. Rad Grape? Rad Grape. I didn't get that. Radley Grape? Rad Grape. I think that's a sick name. Rad Grape is good. I didn't put it together until just now that it was Rad for short. Yeah, but my answers are complex with many layers.

They are. I'm sorry for underestimating you yet again. So you will be disappointed by this. This is according to Lisa. He was given his nickname of Kool-Aid by his grandmother because she said he had a Kool-Aid smile at birth. So that's a reference that I guess Americans would be more familiar with. Yeah, you know he bashes through the wall and he's like, hey, how's it going? That oh, is Kool-Aid the, Kool-Aid's that like a jug.

Yeah, yeah. Anthropomorphic jug. That's my understanding. Mainly from Family Guy. Yeah, I was going to say, I recognise it from- But I think that's a- that's an escalation of, like, imagine if Kool-Aid bashed into other situations. And he comes in smiling. Yeah, I think he bashes in into the ads. That's my understanding. Right.

That's cool. And it's basically cordial. I think so, yeah. They drink a lot of it. Too much sugar. It's like American Coddies. A lot of sugar in it, yeah. Yeah, for anyone- And That's cool. And it's basically cordial. I think so. Yeah. They drink a lot of like too much sugar. It's like American Cotty's. It's got a lot of sugar in it. Yeah. Yeah. For anyone. And it's powder. For anyone drinking that in the US who's listening to this, it's like the amount of sugary drinks that you drink is frankly sickening over there and you should really

keep an eye on it for your own health. Yeah. Just have a look into that. Yep. A lot of fruits on the covers of drinks that have no fruit in them. Over there. A lot of punches. Fruit juice punch drinks that have no fruit in them. Over there. A lot of punches, fruit juice punch, which is not juice. Oh.

That's not juice. Fruit juice, the punch gets, is that a legal loophole? Yeah, they get away with saying, putting whatever the fuck they want in their bag. It's fruit juice flavoured. Right, interesting. Well, next time I'm over there, I'll keep my eyes on that. Yeah, please.

I've been fooled once, but fool me again. That's why they call you big wet, maybe. You know a lot about drinks. That's the one, I'm sure. All right. So here's question number four. This comes from Aspen Watts from London. In what interesting way did people show respect to the King of Ireland four thousand years ago?

There was a King of Ireland four thousand years ago? Yeah, I guess they. Probably like tribal heads. Wow. Maybe King. Can you read the question for me again? Four thousand years ago. Interesting. Yeah, I guess. How would we know this? We don't. We have to make it up.

OK. All right. No, good point. Well, yeah, I guess it's like, I guess the- History books, whatever. Go on. Oh, you mean how does society know this? Yeah, how does society know this for sure? I mean, I guess maybe like they dig up like bones of and one guy's wearing a crown and someone else is bowing. Yeah, that's exactly what they do.

That's how it works, yeah. Extrapolation from that. And it's probably wrong for that reason. Like dinosaurs have feathers now and they used to not think they did. Really? Yeah. Is that right? I don't know.

I wasn't saying really in like a challenging way. I was being curious. Like Jurassic Park in the 90s, they didn't have feathers, but I think if they made that now, they'd have feathers. I think, I think paleontologists now think, or whatever the dinosaurs are. It is a bit disappointing, isn't it? It's just not different enough from what we're doing now. Yeah.

Yeah. They shouldn't have feathers. It's funner when they didn't. Yeah, I think so. I'd ignore that. If I was an archeologist and I found that, I'd put it in my pocket. Some people, and some people do blame PC culture

for the feathers. And I think that's fair enough. Some people are called Matt Stewart. So you've got to give me an interesting way people showed respect for the King of Ireland 4,000 years ago. However you interpret that. But yeah, obviously Ireland wasn't really a concept then and and kings probably weren't.

You know what I mean? The leaders of the people who lived on what is now Ireland. Yes. And yeah, while you're writing your answers, it's more about Gequinsy Koolaid McKinstry. So yeah, like I said, his grandmother gave him the nickname. This is back to Lisa. As an adult, he's often compared to the Kool-Aid man. Oh yeah!

He was drafted this year in the second round out of Alabama where he was named an All-American player. That was this year whenever Lisa wrote this and I don't have that in front of me. Could have been any time in the last few years. Hey, while you're still writing your answers, let's go for a quick break. Acast powers the world's best podcasts. Here's a show that we recommend. In the fall of 2001, while Americans were still grappling with the horror of September 11th,

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Option two, they would follow directly behind him, mimicking his every move. Option three, they would place their balled up feces at the king's door. Option four, at important and or notable events, the people of Ireland would offer him their children as gifts, or finally, they would suck his nipples. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You did it, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You did another mmm. Song. So obviously, like you were saying, there's no way they could know this for sure.

This is historians having a guess, but some things have dug up. Some are more archaeologically provable than others. To know the sucking on nipples one, you'd need to dig up a fossil of multiple people sucking on this man's nipples. Yeah, at the time of... Or a tablet that says, I just sucked the king's nipples. Oh, wait, I'm going second. Excuse me. Go on. Oh, true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I apologize.

They had writing back then, I guess. So, yeah, it could be just oral tradition. I sucked on his nipples yesterday. I sucked on his nipples this morning. I sucked on his nipples yesterday. Out of respect. I sucked on his nipples this morning. I sucked on his nipples tonight. Why is he a crooner? One, two, three, four. Jersey boy style.

I sucked on his nipples. I sucked on his nipples. Yeah, Frank Sinatra was 4,000 years ago, right? Yeah. I, oh, can I hear them one more time, please? Yeah. Improvising a song about his handsomeness, following behind him, mimicking his every move,

putting bald up feces at his door. They would offer their children as gifts or they would suck his nipples. So you got singing, mimicking, feces, children, nipples. Interesting. I am going to go, children. You're going to go children, right? Locking that in for Tom. What do you think, Mish? OK, I don't think it's nipples, right? I just don't think it's possible for us to know that.

Or he would ever want that documented. Do you know what I mean? I think if he, if people were sucking on this guy's nipples out of respect, he'd be saying, don't tell anyone that you're doing this. Also, can I say just on this point, um, this, the question is how did people 4,000 years ago show respect to the king? I'd argue that's still how you show respect to the king. I don't suck on the nipples of people I don't respect.

That's not interesting. That's not always the case. If I'm sucking on your nipples, no, I respect you. I do have some form of respect for you. Exactly. There is no way I'd put a nipple in my mouth if it was attached to someone. I hate this guy.

Come here, little sucky. So I don't think it's nipples. I love the walking around me making every move and I could imagine that being on a tapestry. I think that children think there's a good chance that it's children, but I'm going with balled up poo. Because you think that that could be dug up. But how would you know that that's specifically for the king? Maybe that's just maybe it's true if he gets buried with it, I guess. Maybe not. Maybe it's not poo.

What was number one again? Number one, improvising the song. That's not it. I don't think that that's it. So it is also like the specificity of it being improvised. Yes. How would we know? That's true. I realise people write things down in history books exist.

I do understand that. Just because I'm like, what is 4000 years ago? Apparently, you know. They touched their shit 4000 years ago for sure. Apparently farming started around 4000 BC. So that's like that's 2000 years of farming having existed. Like it's not full, you know, like ancient, ancient. I mean, it's pretty ancient. I'm going to go poo.

Yeah. All right. Locked in. Oh, no. Sorry. Your answer. I'm going to go poo. And after that, can you give us an answer? Then can we do the rolled up feces part? All right, so here's the answers. They would improvise a song about how handsome he was. That was Aspen, AKA the house. Walking directly behind him, mimicking his every move.

That was also the house. I was picturing Murphy's. I've picked Tom's, gone. You were so quick to, I was gonna say no. Yes, no. The bowled up feces was Tom. and when I almost talked you out of it... Oh my god. Tom and I locked eyes and it was...

Matt! I was like, how would they have... I had locked in mate! Why are we still discussing this? I thought it was locked in, I was just making conversation. And then she was like, oh no, you've got to lock in these lock-ins mate. I mean if we panicked there, but we didn't panic and we let Mish come back around, because I was sweating.

I knew that would not have gone that well. Tom went for another and slash or type answer, which of course is classic big wet. Fuck off, it was you. So you two, you realize what that is? Every time I get a victory, she's done me too. Of course. It's classic. Big wet. Fuck off! It was you. So you two, you realize what that... Every time I get a victory, she's done me too. That's why I'm not that mad about me picking yours, which is a great answer, by the way. I locked in yours and you're still pretending to entertain your answer in your thinking

time when you're going second. That's right, because I... Yes. My reasoning... Just to rub it in. Just for whatever reason, if you said, I want to change my answer. Yeah. I think...

I wanted to make sure that you didn't want to do that. So I did a joking one on them early in the previous episode. I'd like to lock in that there's no changing answer. It's after lock in and this... I've been proceeding under that assumption. So we are not... After you say lock in, lock in. All right.

From now on, lock in's locked in. Because my reasoning for that was... From now on, it's a hard lock. It is a hard lock. I thought... I got it completely wrong. I thought you either, I thought you wrote the follow behind thing. Oh, right. And it was either that or poo.

And I was like, well, I'm going to lock in poo, but I also just want to make sure that he's locked in mine because then we're still even. I'm still winning. I just want, Mission Tom, do you realize what that means the real one is? The nipples one. How do we know? I did think that it could be that. But how?

Because it's just the kind of thing that people send into a podcast, I guess. But it just does seem. The king's nipples were considered sacred, according to Aspen. Yeah, I guess. And at important ceremonies, they would ritually suck his nipples. I guess in cults, right, we all understand this about cults, that small cults particularly, I mean, you could argue, you know, the bigger they get, the more legitimate they become and do they get any better?

But often it is like there's a sexual aspect to it. It's a man. Some percentage of men clearly crave the amount of power and sway that the cults demand. And once you have that power. You start asking people to suck your nipples. And that seems just... Yeah, but now we call that cults. But 4000 years ago, that's just like the first society, I guess.

And the first king. I mean, you're going to start implementing some nipple sucking. Apparently, it was probably just like, well, that feels really nice. I could make everyone do this. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's that simple. And then you're just like, oh, this is the most best way you can show respect. They found bog bodies and apparently a lot of them on what they believe to be high ranking officials have have scarring around the nipples. Jesus. That's biting I'm going to say. Yeah. I mean,

I guess we've been sucked every day. Yeah. You'd get, you would get chafed at the very least. Yeah, chafed. The friction is full on if that's happening. But also you'd kind of... Oh, to be an Irish king. You'd lose the love of it, wouldn't you? Mm. Classic. Ice cream every day. It doesn't taste the same. Yeah, exactly. All right, we're up to the penultimate question here. This comes from Suzanne.

What scores are we on? Row. Oh, we haven't been... You want a score update. Fair enough, too. After four rounds, in third place, on one point, it's the house. In second place, on three points, it's Tom.. In second place on three points, it's Tom. But just down front on four points, it's Mish. OK, one in it. Shit.

I thought I was tied it up in that last one. This one's worth triple points though. Really? Yeah. The last one is. Oh, I thought you said this was the last one. No, it's the penultimate. OK.

Don't. I don't know what that means. Yeah, you do. Second ultimate. OK, great. People, when something's second last, people love to say the word penultimate. You said you, yes, you do to me. Like, if you don't know that, what's fucking wrong with you? You went, yes, you do.

You seem like someone who's first of all played this game. You've done stuff with rounds. You seem like you know about penultimate. OK, I was just playing around. No, genuinely, I didn't know what that meant. Yeah, bullshit. All right. So the second last question comes from Suzanne Rowe from Perth in Western Australia. The question is, and it's about a Western Australian as well.

Western Australian Clive Palmer is now known as an ultra wealthy oddball mining magnate and sometimes politician. But what was he up to in 1981? Clive Palmer, you familiar with him? Imagine? Yeah, yeah, I know who he is. Big time. He did something maybe that, you know, he's not as famous for in 1981. What was what was that? And while you're writing your answers, here's some more info about the King's nipples.

Back to Aspen, he continues, it's been theorised about the King's nipples. Back to Aspen, he continues, it's been theorised that the scars on the nipples of bog bodies were inflicted on high-ranking officials. The sacred nipples were so important that if a king was defeated his nipples were often removed before he was killed or claimants to the throne would try to get the precious nips to damage a king's credibility. Eamon Kelly at the National Museum of Ireland has done a lot of very important nipple research. And then yeah, I found an article that quotes Kelly a bit on the Dublin City website where Kelly says,

human sacrifice was apparently a normal part of the Celtic rituals, especially of kings in hard times. The killings tend to be excessive in that more is done to the bodies than would be required to bring about their deaths. Bogbodies may have their throats cut, been stabbed in the heart and have other cut marks. However, it is absolutely not torture but a form of ritual sacrifice. The King had great power but also great responsibility to ensure prosperity of his people. Through his marriage on his inauguration

to the goddess of the land, he was meant to guarantee her benevolence. He had to ensure the land was productive, so if the weather turned bad or there was a plague, cattle disease, or losses in war, he was held personally responsible. Cutting the nipples was more than torture. The aim was to dethrone the king. Sucking a king's nipples was a gesture of submission in ancient islands, says Kelly. Cutting them would have made him incapable of kingship in this world or the next. Brutal.

Answers are in for question number five. Australian Clive Palmer is now known as an ultra wealthy oddball, mining magnate, and sometimes politician, but what was he up to in 1981? Here are your options. He owned nine chicken feed stores across Queensland and Tasmania. He briefly changed his name by deed poll to John Lennon in an effort to take over the recently deceased Beatles career.

Option 3. He published a book of poetry titled Dreams, Hopes and Reflections. Option four. He submitted a patent for an invention for a new kind of three-wheeled earth mover. Or finally, he captained the racing yacht that broke the world record for fastest circumnavigation of the globe by boat. OK, so you got chicken feed owner, briefly John Lennon, published poet, inventor of an Earth mover or a yacht captain,

yacht captain. It can't be the yacht thing. Am I first? Yes. That's not it. What's your logic? I'm torn between two. I'm too scared to talk about it. But also, fuck it. Oh, of course.

Let's just have, no, let's just have, no, we're here for fun. And you're meant to talk in a podcast, so I don't want to fuck around. But I'm wondering what's your logic of ruling that out? Because that one sounds pretty realistic. No, that he would captain a boat. No, he didn't win something. No, he hasn't won that. Because like, who's that other?

There was another Western Australian magnate who captained the, didn't he captain the Australian boat that won the... Yeah, but Clive Palmer is a dumb c***. Oh. I can't imagine him doing that. Whereas... No offence if either of you are big Palmerheads. I'm torn between two.

Who am I thinking of though? Who's that guy who did something similar? Dick Smith goes in hot air balloons. Not yeah, not Dick Smith. It's another sort of, he almost looks like... Action balloons. Not yeah, not Dick Smith. It's another sort of he almost looks like. Action guy. Not yeah, but he looks more like Clive Palmer, this guy. And he was like the Australia Cup captain, I think.

Can you read them out for me again? Yes. But he was also a dodgy politician. So dodgy businessman. He so he owned chicken feed stores in Queensland, Tasmania, briefly changed his name to John Lennon, published a book of poetry titled Dreams, Hopes and Reflections, submitted a patent for an invention for a new kind of three wheeled earth mover or captained the racing yacht that broke the world record.

I'm going to go with poetry. Okay, now, are you locked in? Mm hmm. Locked in. Alan Bond is the guy. Yeah. Mm hmm. Locked in. Alan Bond is the guy. Yeah. 80s guy. I'm going to go with the book. Locked in the book.

And that's a hard lock. That's a hard lock. Can I get a repeat as well? And now I can pontificate at my leisure. I've never seen a book like like this since a Dinky Diary. That's a reference not many will get. Yes, Pontificate. No, but I need them repeated, sorry.

During my pontification. He owned nine chicken feed stores across Queensland and Tasmania. I reckon that's that. He briefly changed his name by Deedpold to John Lennon. That's crazy. To what? Take over the... But he is mad. Yeah, but he's also a billionaire.

He's not that crazy. I think he does that deliberately as part of his branding to seem like an everyman. I don't think he's crazy. Did he kick off as a billionaire as well? Was he like intergenerational? No, I'm not sure. Because this is where he'd be in 1981. I'm guessing he was youngish. Yeah, totally. Exactly.

And he definitely is kind of like. Because he's like has a taste for the bombastic. Because Americans and English people and I'll even more broadly say people not from Australia, but we have no idea who he is. No, no. But he, yeah, he's like he's a rich guy who does weird things. He now has a political party as well. Yes, his second political party.

He deliberately does weird advertising and is like stupid. He's Trumpian in a way. Rich, rich, his second political party deliberately does weird advertising and is like stupid. He's Trumpian in a way. Rich, rich, rich. He wanted to do like a real Jurassic Park to me and build a second Titanic. That's right. He's got niche interests. Which is why I think the John Lennon one, it could be. Yeah, totally. But then also, that's what you'd write if you knew. And I just don't get the logic to change it to- I think that's like a bad PR move,

to change your name to someone who's just died that everyone loved. I think that's like just not actually what he would do. I think he's got a bit more nouse than that. Yeah, you're actually a big fan, aren't you? No, I just think, yeah, people underestimate it. Like these people, there's billionaires that like, play, that like seem stupid in the media or whatever. They're like running companies, like they're not- they're trying to seem cute and stupid and like they are like strange people, but they're not. I think that's stupid and mean and weird to change your name to John Lennon

after he's been shot. Yes. And be like, I'm the new John Lennon. It's like, fuck you. Like people would be like, fuck you. And we probably all know about it. Mm. That would be. I still think it's a good option. I mean, I feel like we should know about. Oh, no, we probably wouldn't know about it. Hmm. I still think it's a good option. I mean, I feel like we should know about it. Oh, no, we probably wouldn't know about all of these.

Some of these are. I think the poetry one's just not, I mean, it could be that. But he's just- Hard to picture him as a poet. Totally. But then some of these people, they spend a few months out in the bush and they start thinking they're the joys for human, you know? Bush poetry. Oh, it's not like real feeling poetry.

It's definitely feelings poetry. It's bush poetry for sure. If it's real, it's not talking about his real insecurities. And then what was the other one? Submitted a patent for an Earthmover. That one just seems made up as well based on that, like hearing the word mining. And that wouldn't be interesting enough. So I'm going the chicken feed one chicken feed. All right locking that in But Tom, here we go. Here's who wrote the answers

Yeah, I think I picked Tom Scott because he didn't admit to which one was his In your breakdown gone. So the John Lennon one that was the house. Yes. I'm cruel It was he dot he was murdered a full year earlier. I think it would have been fine. What? No, it wouldn't have been fine. Businessmen can't call themselves beloved musicians' names to get murdered before they would.

I thought my brain came up with something interesting there. I'd love to know your representative. I'd find it. Healthy competitive. House also wrote the one about the patent for the new Earthmover. Yep. Then we had Chicken Feed stores. No.

Tom went for that. That was Mish. Oh my god. Captain the racing yacht. That was Tom. Meaning Mish is correct. He just published a book of poetry. Can I just quickly read you one of the poems? Oh, please.

Gandhi, I know you, though I was not born. Gandhi, I love you, though your life was torn. Bush poetry. Jesus, it's not even about the bush. Yeah, that's not about the bush. Those are feelings poems. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say that. True.

It is feelings. How could we? Another one, let me quickly read this other one. It's called Old Women, Young Girls. Oh, no. He was in his 20s at the time. I'm old now. He's writing from the perspective of an aging woman. I'm old now. Once I was beautiful.

Once I was sought after. Once I had diamonds. Once I had gold. Once I had love. But now I am old. I really want to apologize. He could just be the stupidest guy in the world. Honestly, like that's literally a five year old who would write that.

The little I know of Clive Palmer, right? And I know a bit, but not a lot. I can see him thinking I'm worthy of writing a poetry book. That's the vibe. Like, I totally hear what you're saying. I totally agree. I get that with the arrogance as well. I can see.

Did you do the boat one? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That was my like, I definitely think it could be true that you wrote poems, but I'm now reflecting on how bad they are. Yeah. Like that's a six year old would write that. So like if if if that one was true, I thought the poems were going to be better than

that. Yeah, that's true. All right. So all the points there go to Mish. But that like Mish alluded to before this final round is worth triple points. Thank God. So it is still truly anyone's game but going on the fun around the house on one point actually to be honest It's not the house probably isn't in the game anymore Tom on three mission six final question I always finish with a movie synopsis question I love these ones

And this one comes from Connor Tyrrell from Dublin in Ireland and the question is what is the synopsis the 2005 film? Neon Ed from Dublin in Ireland and the question is what is the synopsis of the 2005 film Neo Ned? 2000 what? Five. Oh. What is the synopsis of the 2005 film Neo Ned? While your answers are being written. 2005? Yep.

Someone was a fan of The Matrix. So this will be, yeah, this will be, you know, your longer answer. Yes. Two, three sentences, your longer answer. Yes. Two, three sentences, something like that. Yeah. And while you're writing those answers, I'll read an article about this poetry. The article is written by Bridey Jabbour for The Guardian. Clive Palmer has been praised as, quote, rather humble, essentially good-hearted and well-meaning.

Well, his poetry has, at least. Palmer's book of poetry, Dreams, Hopes and Reflections was published in 1981 under the name F Clive Palmer. When the mining magnate F Clive Palmer is such a funny... such as something that might be on a you know a bumper sticker for anti Clive Palmer types. Anyway, under the name F. Clive Palmer was what he published his poetry under when he was 26. It is not known how many copies survive, but when one happened to cross Guardian Australia's desk, it was immediately handed over to the experts.

The Guardian's copy is incomplete, alas, with about half the poems missing, but enough remains to sate the appetite of those curious about the long-ago creative musings of today's politicians-slash-mining-barons-slash-dinosaur-aficionado. He seems lovesick, or at least love-fluy, at the time of writing, which according to the author was mostly in a single day at December day. Most of the poems are dedicated to the pain and joy of love. For instance, to know love is to know you and to know you is to love you. That's very lyrical. But he also takes time to reflect on the wider world around him

like talking about Gandhi for instance. To the untrained eye they lack a certain finesse but for a more expert view we turn to Martin Jewel a publisher and critic of poetry since 1967 and this is what he said the vanity publications of the wealthy are often done in good type on expensive paper and are carefully proofed by a secretary. This book, full of typos and awkwardnesses, is not like this at all and its main virtue is probably that it is rather humble, essentially good-hearted and a well-meaning production. Jule put the poems in the category of someone who has a passionate belief in what they say and said it was important to note that Palmer did not claim he could outdo the greats of Australian verse or even call the works poetry in his introduction.

Jule picked a stanza from Leaving Home as best summing up the voice behind the poems. This is that stanza. A better world to live in, a better way of life, a better understanding, free from strife. As a contribution to poetry, they don't really have much to recommend them, Jules said. The author doesn't show any signs of having had an engagement with a real poem, and they probably get their form from the lyrics of popular songs rather than poetry. An award-winning poet and lecturer at Griffith University, Anthony Lawrence, agreed the work appeared to be that

of someone who had not read widely but said it was worth celebrating nonetheless. It's full of sentimentality and cliches. These are love poems and written by a very young man with perhaps not much life experience, he said. I really celebrate the fact he's done it. I love the fact he's taken the time and care to explore his emotions and his affections for someone in verse and I think that's a big deal. Most people stopped writing poetry in high school and move on and he clearly had something to say and felt poetry was the best vehicle for that. Lawrence said the poems could have been improved by striving for original imagery. Into yesterday, Palmer

wrote, you always wanted what I could not give. I gave you my heart but you wanted my soul to live with you. Lawrence said that if he ever met Palmer, he would be keen to know if he was still writing poetry and would give him a few pointers. Love poetry is one of the hardest genres to write because we tend to trip up by being emotional about it and trip up by using words like heart and soul and things like that and as soon as you fall into that trap it becomes one dimensional he said. Lawrence's final suggestion was that the parliamentarian change his number plate from Nickel the name of his primary company to Sonnet.

Beautiful bit of advice there from Lawrence. And that obviously dates this to about 10 years back when Palmer was a member of parliament. Alright. Answers are in. Here is... Are you okay? Am I okay? Yeah, just check it in. I'm okay. I don't want to reveal what... how I'm feeling. Okay. Fair call. That's part of it.

That's psycho, but fair call. Let's go. Alright, remember, triple points up for grabs. Oh, I never forget. So, here's the final question. What is the synopsis of the 2005 film Neo-Ned? Option one. A Neolithic man is found frozen in ice after global warming reveals a hithero, undiscovered cave in the foothills of South Dakota. A local teen and his friends find Neo Ned and embark on the adventure of a lifetime, 65 million years in the making. Option 2.

An independently funded fan-made short film, a Matrix sequel following Neo's long lost brother, Ned, as he struggles to come to terms with living inside the Matrix. Option 3. A small town bachelor's life is upended when he finds a mysterious helmet. Will Ned's power over space and time lead him to love or disaster? Option 4. Ned Nelson, a white power skinhead, ends up in a mental institution where he meets Rachel, a black woman claiming to be the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler.

The unlikely couple's hookup leads them down a shocking road to discovery. Sorry, to recovery. Making up words. I mean, I know that's an existing word. I mean, I'm making up a word. I like how in your head I am. She's in your head, you're in my head. No.

Pass it down. I'm trying to start fights with the dealer. I'm getting taken for all the money I've worth. Or finally, when Felicity's five-year-old son Ned is in a horrific school bus accident, she finds herself driven into the arms of a wealthy mysterious scientist who convinces Felicity that he can create a replica of her son from the fibres of his clothes. But something is wrong with Neo-Ned. With the fibres of his clothing mixing with the hair of a stray alley cat, Neo-Ned's cat-like

instincts might prove to be deadly." Okay. So, I'll briefly summarise. So you got the Neolithic man found frozen and he has a bit of fun in South Dakota. Yeah. Friends who found him. You got the independently funded short film sequel to The Matrix. You got the mysterious helmet. The Bachelor finds it, but it gives him power over space and time.

You got the white power skinhead who hooks up with a black woman who's Hitler reincarnated or you've got the boy who's in a bad accident but comes back as a cat man. Who's first? You are. You are first. I would like to select the first synopsis please. Neolithic man. Found it nice.

Locking that in for Tom. That's a hard lock. That's a hard lock. That's a hard lock. It was easy for me though. Fuck. Hard lock. Okay. I feel like it would be unfair of me to choose the same one.

I agree. Because then I'm setting, even though, even though that was one of the two I was tossing around with. You could almost argue that that could be another adjustment in the game. Yeah, how would you change that though? Oh, let's talk about that later. Okay. I would only say it's because normally people don't play like that.

And... That it hasn't really come up. What's the point of a triple round if the person could just say that and they go second in that round, and then they could just say the same thing. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how it would have been. If you hold your lead, yeah, that's true. And because of the respect I have for you. Thank you.

I think you would probably have... I don't know, would you have lost or gained respect with the listens? Some would be off big wet if you played like that. But some of you would respect it even more. That's why I don't want to play it. Yeah, you'd be within your rights to. Um, I heard the Matrix one, right? And I find that very interesting because before it, as a little shit joke, I said, someone likes the Matrix. And then a Matrix one pops up.

So it's very possible that if Tom wanted to play Big Wet style, he wrote that so that it would throw me. Because why would you write it after I make a little funny little joke? Which wasn't that funny. But then there's something really fucking unhinged about the Hitler one. I don't want to pick Tom's because if I pick Tom's and he's picked the right one, he's going to beat me. Right. So that's I'm right now.

I've made the decision to not pick the same one as Tom. But I'm really, really thrown by which one Tom wrote and his poker face right now is so fucked. And you know what? You know what? Sometimes even Big Wet, she flails a bit. You know, Tread and Water gets tiring for Big Wet too. Oh, right now I just need a break. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, people don't get on board some sort of infallible godlike player of this game.

They like you for your foibles and your flailings. They love my foibles. Yeah. They do love my foibles, don't they? They're into your foibles. Can you read all of them except for the first one, because I'm not going to go that one. In full? Mm-hmm.

An independently funded fan-made short film Matrix sequel following Neo's long lost brother, Ned, as he struggles to come to terms with living inside the Matrix. This is another one. A small town bachelor's life is upended when he finds a mysterious helmet. Will Ned's power over space and time lead him to love or disaster?" Here's another one. Ned Nelson, a white power skinhead, ends up in a mental institution where he meets Rachel, a black woman claiming to be the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. The unlikely couple's hookup leads them down a shocking road to recovery.

couples hookup leads them down a shocking road to recovery. Or finally, when Felicity's five-year-old son Ned is in a horrific school bus accident, she finds herself driven into the arms of a wealthy mysterious scientist who convinces Felicity that he can create a replica of her son from the fibres of his clothes. But something is wrong with Neo Ned, with the fibres of his clothing mixing with the hair of Australia Cat, Neo Ned's cat-like instincts might prove to be deadly. Sure you don't want to pick that one? That one's pretty good. Oh, he's gone. He's gone stone cold.

Yes, well, he's I think he's done a full lock in and he knows that the game's over. So he's bowing down. I'm going with the Hitler one. Hitler one? Yeah. OK. Fuck. But he was he spent so... You haven't said locked in yet. No, I haven't said it.

No, you haven't fucking said it. I didn't. He spent so long writing it. So that's why. And that was a very, very like precise. Like if I was reading the blurb of a movie, that's the plot of a movie. That was the way it would be written, much like the last one, which was very well written. Very well written very well written I'm still going Hitler. I'll go Hitler and I have a feeling I

May have picked homes, but I don't I don't know Mish Chooses Hitler. That's the front page of tomorrow's herald son. All right, here we go chosen. Stop looking at me like that I don't know there was hard lock. Yeah, that's a hard lock. Okay That's a hard lock. Okay. I like how you soft locked. Just to see if you could get any more in. Yeah, I'm not following anybody. I truly think that Tom got the right answer and all I'm hoping is that I picked a house. Okay. Well, here's how it went down. I think you might have alluded to this fact, but the one about the cat boy, that was Mish.

Then. What cat boy? Ah, but the one about the cat boy, that was Mish. Then what cat boy? The final one. Oh, yes. He got made into a cat man. Yes. Cat boy. That was good. Yeah. The independently funded fan made short film Matrix sequel. That was written by Connor. The question on OK, the house.

Someone hearing the word Neo surely. Oh, yeah. Then we had the one Tom went with. Neo with the man found frozen and off that ice. That was also Connor, the question writer. Fuck off. That was I just thought it would be too obvious for someone to go Neo Gothic or whatever when it's Neo. But no, the

serious small town bachelor. That was Tom. Meaning Mish was correct. It is the white power skinhead ending up with the black woman reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. They call it big wet for a reason. Fuck, she's good. Yeah, she's real good.

Shit, she's good. She's very fucking good. God damn it. Yeah, it's so it's amazing because offensive you black women aren't reincarnated as Hitler that's not what Reincarnation I suppose if that's not real none of its real It honestly sounds like such a wildly offensive film. Yeah, I can't believe it was made which one's Ned Yeah, well, I'll tell ya Ned is played by Jeremy Renner. Whoa.

Oh my God. God. Yeah. Who plays Hitler? Gabrielle Union. Oh my God. Really? She's famous?

Yeah, she's famous. She was in Bring It On. Oh, wow. Wait, is she like the head enemy cheerleader? Yeah. Or actually the enemy slash. Yeah, but she's the head enemy cheerleader? Yeah. Or actually the enemy slash. Yeah, but she's not really lucky exactly.

The clovers as you will. Yeah, it's getting hot in here. There must be some clovers in the atmosphere. Yeah, that's the one. You know it, you get it. Sorry, the cinemas. Very good movie. But yeah, I don't remember that well.

But I imagine it was probably really good cinema. Anyway, I'm so sorry Tom. That's okay. It's amazing, I've never heard someone talk a big game and I fully back it up like this. Well done. Congratulations Critics have given it on rotten tomato 76 a 67% approval. Yeah audience doesn't like it as much 40% One of the reviewers who thought it was a bit crook Jace Kymig writes, the disgust over Neo-Ned is rightfully deserved.

The movie carelessly throws around the N-word and other acts of violence for humor. Jesus. It must be a comedy, it's a comedy. I, yeah. John Anderson liked on the other hand writing, Neo-Ned may be- What a racist!

May be ludicrous on paper, but it has what fans of independent film are looking for. Atmosphere, humanity, and just a dash of fantastic drama. I suppose it's crazy. And I suppose kind of being edgy was in at that time, kind of like it is now. Like without seeing it, it's hard. It could be, you know, I have no, you know, it's hard to know from the just that, but it sounds like a wild idea.

So let's get to the final score check. Let's read them scores. Look, I think it's in third place. Daylight is second. It is house on two points. In second place, it is Tom on three points. But out in front, tripled that score. Nine points. It's Mish.

Oh, absolute spanking. I'm sorry. Spanking, if you will. I don't know if... When we were discussing before about competitiveness and everything, I think what I was taught is when you've got to be humble in defeat and in and in victory and like shaking hands I didn't play sports, I didn't play sports

You shook my hand with your left hand I'm so sorry, I did notice as I was doing it I thought you went to hold my hand and so I was like oh I'll hold your hand and then you shook it and I'm like oh fuck I misread that situation but I would care more about that if I was a loser do you know what I mean? like if I had lost this game and I went to hold your hand and you shook my held hand. Yes. And I'd lost the game. I would feel so embarrassed. And I'd be like, oh, my God, I went to like hold Tom Cashman's hand

and he shook it weird. Yes. Because I won. I cannot. Yeah, but that's why the ritual of two people coming together and doing something equal when one person's in a good mood And one is a bad is so beautiful. Are you in a bad mood? I wish I'd won. Yeah, I'm dealing with that in a healthy way for what it's worth. It feels good Yeah, feels real nice, but again if I could just stress I know this has become a bit of a thing about competitive if this makes you feel any better Tom comedy festival is

Still on for another week when this episode comes out and your show is still going. Yeah, well, I mean, if I have been kind of not too depressed in order to perform. Yes, my show is called Two Truths, One Lie and 17 Slight Exaggerations. And yeah, I suppose Google that and my name and the word Melbourne and you'll see tickets if you'd like to come along. And you're doing Sydney and other places afterwards. True. Yeah, yeah, why am Google that and my name and the word Melbourne and you'll see tickets if you'd like to come along. And you're doing Sydney and other places afterwards? True. Yeah, yeah. Why am I focusing on just that? I'm doing Sydney and Brisbane and Auckland and Wellington as well. So that'll be interesting. Awesome.

I don't think we've got so many tickets out there. Have you got any Kiwi listeners come along? Yeah, got Kiwi listeners for sure. Yes. Mish, are you taking the show elsewhere? Just to Sydney at this point, I'm doing Sydney first week of May. Five shows at the factory. Awesome. And yeah, it's going to be a bit of fun. I'm still doing Bad Boy at Spleen for the next week and hopefully I've organised my Sydney shows by then.

And I'm going to the Perth Comedy Festival as well. Matt's your comedy.com. Thanks so much for joining us. You too. It was a great game. It was so fun to watch from the inside. That was truly fun. And I think I really feel like a rematch is required. I wouldn't mind that. Can we bring Zach on for that too? Oh my god. Because I think it would be interesting do you know Zach well? No. Great that's why I think it would be really interesting if we put

Zach in a room with someone he doesn't know that well. Oh yeah, right. Yeah. Perfect. That's a good one. That would be a real, I mean, you didn't win today. You won your last one, yeah. Did I? I don't know. I don't remember. You'd remember if you did. It feels really nice. You feel like you're good at this game, but maybe you're not.

Yeah, I feel like I talk a big game and start making fun of other people's approach to competitiveness. But really, yeah, never got one. Did I pick? I did pick one, right? I have I never pick the house. I always pick the other person in the room. Yeah, really? Yeah. You're good at sensing the yeah, the spread. I don't know. I don't know.

But whatever I want. Just looking back, you did not win your other time on either. Yeah, exactly. But I think because I was criticizing the rules. Hmm. Yeah, you're like this guy's fucking confident. Thanks so much for listening, everyone. Please give us a five star review. Tell your friends if you think you know anyone who might enjoy it.

Cheers for tuning in to Who Knew It with Matt Stewart. Hang around for the outtakes. I'm sure there's a lot of nonsense to come from Tom and Mish just talking absolute nonsense through the episode. And now that you know it, I've been Matt Stewart. Goodbye. What's up? Hello. Testing, testing. Thanks so much for having us, Matt. Hey, thanks so much for being involved.

It's comedy festival time of the year. Damn, it's right. It's like Christmas. Isn't it? Well. For losers. There we like Christmas. Isn't it? Well. For losers. There we go. Big nerdy virgins.

Unlike Santa, the coolest guy ever. He's an organizer kind of guy. I feel like I'd put him in the nerd category as well. Yeah. He's all lists. I mean, it's all lists with that guy. And like, I mean, he's probably the best guy at logistics in the world. Like he'd make Apple look like a piece of dog shit, really.

Oh, 100 percent. Time management as well, like incredible, incredible. Because you have to be so specific. There is no room for error. There's no room for error when you're Santa. And that's why he never gets in kind of like sexual controversy. It's not because of his morality. Yeah, I was about to say it's not because of all the things he's doing.

No, no, because he just doesn't have time. Yeah, he's tempted to kind of, you know, someone says, yeah, be a bit pesty. Well, I mean, because he's a think about it. He's a big fucking nerd. And now he's really famous. Totally. Big fucking nerds who are famous want to be a bit pesty. Totally. And he never, ever got women. He never got them.

And now he's famous. People are throwing themselves at him. Even in his 20s, everyone's chucking their lunch at him. You piece of shit, you'll never be nothing. And he's just eating those lunches, getting fat. Oh, one day come for your cookies. But then also the temptation would be bigger to be, I suppose, in people's homes and they're sleeping.

Some people sleep naked. You know, some people like they'd come, oh, who's out there and they're wearing beautiful lingerie like that would be tempting. I mean, if they're doing that Christmas day there, they know what they're doing.

But that's my point. They could be like, oh, Santa stay over. He's like, no, I'm busy. It's a big get if you fuck Santa. Hmm. That's a massive get. Like, what are, like, that's, that's huge.

He's my white whale. Yeah. Well, that's right. But if you fucked Santa, you would tell people. That's not, that's not like- Oh, that's why, you reckon that's why he doesn't. I sell that story immediately. Yeah.

Immediately. I reckon that's actually a good way to make kids believe in Santa as they're coming to the age where they no longer do, because they often have a sense of what kind of the parents don't want them to know. So you tell them like an awful kind of traumatic story to hear of like your mum fucked Santa last night. Yeah, you don't believe in Santa? They'll be like, oh God, that's awful. That's why you're telling me about your sex life. But also deep down you're like, well, Santa must be real. Yeah. You get a few more years of magic.

If your mummy fucked Santa, he's real. Why would she lie about that? Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah. She's telling you something that she shouldn't be telling you. Yeah, it's so crook that she would even bring that up. So yeah. It must be true.

Miss, you're quite a loud typer, I noticed. It's them nails. Yeah. It's them nails. Yeah. It's quite kind of a vicious approach. It's all part of the game. I didn't have nails before Matt asked me to do this episode today. I went out and got them. Seems like quite fast, like the pace that you're typing.

Yeah, I can, I can actually type it quite fast. I am, I was an office manager for a while. I felt like you were a bit nervous. No. No, that's not it. Oh, so good. Oh, Cashman. The Cashman.

Oh, Cashman. The answers are in for question number one. Oh, oh. I've just did I just drop out? No, you're on. Oh, I can hear you. It's my headphones that dropped out. Is that what? No, you're here.

You've been hearing the bad sounds as well. Yeah, the bad sounds. Oh, that was. I'm like, yeah, your mic's on. Yeah, I am on. Yeah, definitely. We've been hearing them every time you open your fucking mouth. I just get the feeling that this is maybe too powerful combination of players. I don't know if the game will survive into another week.

I fucking feel the facade falling down around me. What facade? Of politeness? No, of the game. Oh, yeah, no. The whole. No, it's a good game.

This is what good games evoke in people. Competitiveness. Yeah. Bad games evoke a difference. True. I really do like NRL. I really wish there was someone that I would get around it for me. You know?

Yeah. You know, there's a bunch of Melbourne comics who are expats from Rugby League states. I talked to Daniel Connell or Tim Hewitt or Ben Knight. He loves it. He goes for the Dolphins. Oh, does he? Yeah. Yeah. Just jump on Reddit. Dan Connell goes for the Dolphins. Oh, does he? Yeah. Yeah. Just jump on Reddit.

Dan Connell goes for the Tigers. Jump on Reddit, you're true. But yeah, there's there's heaps. There's a big community of probably mainly old Queenslanders. Who goes for Tigers? Dan Connell. Oh, they're really bad.

Yeah. Don't try and do it here. Oh, OK. We don't care. Oh, they're really having trouble at the moment. Don't try and weasel. Oh, OK. We don't care. Oh, they're really having trouble at the moment. Don't try and weasel your head. I see what you're doing there. I've sort of- I've jumped around a bit since, because I go over the Saints in AFL,

they had the red wine black team called the North Sydney Bears, but they- they haven't existed for ages in the top flight. So I'm like, when they come back then I'll really get interested again. And they're talking about maybe relocating them to Perth. I'm like, I'm all in on the Perth Bears, if it happens. Yeah. But as of yet, it's just a pipe dream still. Still the dream.

Oh, I'm hearing Tom's nails start to, I think that just means it's locked in finally. What's this? Just hearing Tom's nails start to, I think that just means it's locked in finally. What's this? Just hearing Tom's nails clicking away. I'm fairly sure they were my nails. You throw on your nails, Sam. That's why, that's how I stopped biting my nails was by getting these put on. I go through cycles.

I used to chew right down. I guess, yeah, I go down, I used to do it all. I guess I go down. I used to do it all the time and now I'm down to like once every few months. I'm like, I think I've got broken free of it. And then I'll wake up and I realise that in my sleep or just chew it, no gnawing on your fists. 2005 is hard. Yeah, it's easier when the ones from the 60s and stuff. Yeah, you got...

What's the era of film 2005? What's the era? What do you think of when you think 2005? Ooh, that's such a good question. But is it the kind of question you don't want to answer? Yeah. No, no, no. 2005. Let me have a look at movies from 2005.

Because I insta... That was when I was in year 10, no, 11. And so I'm thinking I was watching a lot of like, well, no, that's it's more like things like Ten Things I Hate About You was more like 2000 and stuff, I suppose. Yeah, but you can't count that as a decade of film. 2005 was horror films like House of Wax and like, I'm sure like Chain Letter was that year as well or some shit, you know? Yes. So there's a horror movie coming out. It's just come out where someone's getting,

like, air-dropped. I can't wait to see it. That is right up my street, man. Yeah, me too. It looks like a lot of fun. Are you a horror movie boy? I have only become one in the last few years when I realised that they're not all.

I don't really like, I find slashes a bit boring. Ohashes a bit boring because they just it just feels like it's the same movie over and over I like ones with a stupid gimmick you know I like slashers great like I love the scream movies my favorite movie yeah love they are big fan of those because you know there's a who done it element that's what I like about slashes oh I thought slashes were normally well I mean I guess the original slashes are more interesting but like the sequels it's like oh Mike Myers is back. Yeah. You thought he was dead he's not. I find that, I don't know. No no no that I'm on board with that I understand but I love a slasher. I didn't know so all the originals are normally a bit of a whodunit. Yeah. Oh that's fun okay. The original scream is so good

although scream 2 in my opinion isn't as good as the first Scream, but it's so close. Right. It's so good. I've kind of enjoyed all of them, but you know, to varying degrees. I watched them all in a row a year or so back. Do you have a favourite? I got, they've blurred together a bit, but I, when there's another one coming out, I'll go back and watch them all again. Cause there's probably another one coming.

I'm currently in the process of watching all of them. Oh, cool. Yeah, I found them all fun. I think I need to I need to forget a bit so I can enjoy the whodunit part a bit again. Are you a movie boy? Do you like movies? I mean, you know, like I do like a not in a weird way. Like, no, no, I mean, I like C&I. Not in a way that I'd be confident enough to enter a conversation about them.

No, I guess I'll just shut the fuck up. No, I mean like Tom's mouthing what he's writing. I'm just trying to take in what he's saying. Oh, yeah, fuck. Like I would I wouldn't agree to be on a panel about film, yes, or I probably would. It wouldn't be wise to ask me.'d take any job, really, at this point. Yeah, like, I'm not saying. You want to put me on a panel about Star Wars? I'll do it. I'll be on a panel about whatever. Yeah, sure.

But you'd probably know what they're getting. Movies is my sport. Like, you know, people talk about sports. Well, I think that's really good because it's like it is so much like sport, but you know the result. And the result is if you if you want to watch your team have a win, you watch a romcom or whatever, you know, this or or a movie about sport. Yeah.

No, I like sports movies. Yeah, that's right. A league of their own is a 10 out of 10 movie. For the most part, you know, sports movies, you know that you're going to win or or lose in a really triumphant way. What's your favorite sports movie? That's hard. The first one that came to my mind was Happy Gilmore.

Yeah, it's a good. It's a really good sports movie. Fun. A League of their own is so good. Oh man. Cool runnings. Cool runnings. So good. Oh, man. Cool runnings. Cool runnings so good. Yeah, that's about it.

You know what? I lose like they didn't win the gold medal or anything. That's a bunch of losers. They triumphed in their own way. True, very true. The answers are in. You did that really quick. Was that quick to you?

Yeah. That's interesting. That was speedy. It's harder to talk shit now because you're smashing me. Does it, um, does it, would you describe yourself as a competitive person? Yeah. Yeah. And I'll come to terms with it. Oh, really?

And I have a healthy relationship with it. I don't. And I encourage others to as well. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm a bit the same. I don't. And I encourage others to as well. Yeah I think I'm a bit the same. I definitely used to be like I'm not competitive. But I'm like it's okay to be competitive. I find the people who, because I played a lot of sport growing up, not to brag, and

then during that time you have spats at refs and like after the game you're like that's fucking injustice blah blah. And you hold grudges blah blah but then you learn about how to manage those feelings you learn they're all normal and you then that's the point of sport to some degrees to harness those feelings and then you develop what I would describe as a healthy relationship with competitiveness but then sometimes when you play sport particularly or games with people who didn't have that they haven't dealt with those feelings and they they're the

ones who were like flipping the monopoly table and fucking, oh quit. Yeah. And they'll be like, I don't and it's often, I'm not saying you're doing this. Everything you're doing is very healthy. I think it's a fair assumption, Tom, if you were like, I have a feeling maybe, maybe Mish didn't play much sport when she was younger. You would be right. But it's not just sport, it's games as well, any competitive thing. But then people will often in those times where they're dealing with the injustice or losing, they'll be like, I don't even care. It's like, you clearly care. You're almost about to cry.

What was your sport of choice? My favourite was basketball. Oh, cool. Are you an NRL boy? No, I played rugby union for two years and then I went to a very nerdy school and we played teams with quite large Samoan populations and we lost like 100 nil and stuff. And I was very scared of that from then on. Everyone I meet from Sydney or see from Sydney, I have this one thing that I know a lot about,

which is NRL. Not a lot. Calm down. I know a bit about NRL because my partner is from Sydney. Yeah. I think I've probably told this story before a hundred times. But when we met five years ago, he really loved NRL and cars. Two things I have no interest in. And I told him I would learn about one of them. I was like, you can tell. Like, do you want me to learn about NRL or cars?

Because whichever one you pick, the other one, I'm not taking anything in. This is healthy as hell. Yeah, is it? I think so. It's just like setting boundaries. I'm not going to do all your shit, but I'm like, as an expression of love, I'm going to do one. Yeah, exactly. Because I was like, there's two things he loved more than anything.

So I was like, all right, you can pick one because I can't take both. Did he want you to even be involved in either of these? No, no. I mean, yes, but like he would like obviously. He didn't debate it. Yeah, no, not at all. But he chose NRL, which I'm thankful for, because now I'm really like into it. But I always ask people from Sydney, what are you like?

Are you into NRL? Because I don't get to talk about it with anybody other than my partner, because no one in Melbourne at all, not even doesn't follow it, but hates it. Totally. I don't really like it. Tell you what I love though. It's a gross game. I really love cars. Are you a cowboy? Yeah, I could talk about cars for days. You can talk to my partner about that. And then he has one fair check.

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