Who Shat On The Floor At My Wedding? And Other Crimes - S3 E17 Doggy Bag - Part Three

Episode Date: January 29, 2026

The long awaited investigation returns in our attempt to finally find Justice for João.At the end of Doggy Bag Part 2, we put out a call to listeners across the world asking for any leads connected to this story. What came back was nothing short of shocking.This is the episode where myth meets evidence. Where coincidence becomes pattern. And where we start to believe this story could actually... be true.Doggy Bag Part 4 is out on 12th February.Support us on Patreon http://patreon.com/whoshatontheflooratmyweddingFollow us on Instagram @whoshatontheflooratmywedding for case evidence and behind-the-scenesSound design by @juanthummler Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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So sign up today at patreon.com slash who shot on the floor at my wedding. Helen? Will Helen join? Doubt it. We'll probably have to pay her, to be honest. Previously on Doggy Bag. There's this couple. They wanted to go to Paris. It all started with nine Dutch people.

They have a little dog. And a story. It's a Portuguese stray dog. A story they claimed to be 100% true because they were only two handshakes away from the source. So he wanted to bring the dog to the doggie daycare, but then their dog was sick. And the people there were like,

your dog is a bit sick. We don't actually want him in there because it's going to make other dogs ill as well. The dog isn't that sick. Let's just take him to Paris. Why not? What can happen? So they arrived in Paris, great, went for a big walk with the dog,

and they got to the Chances Lisein. Brand stores of Louis Vuitton and Gucci and Chanel. In front of the door of the Louis Vuitton shop. The dog started imploding. The dog just collapsed. The dog collapsed. The dog sneezed and fell dead to the ground. The dog died.

The dog just died. And then everybody was like, oh. So they panic. What the hell should you do with a dead dog in Paris? So the people of the Louis Vuitton. shop said, okay, we can help. And they brought out a Louis Vuittal shopping bag and said, here, you can put the dog in it and take it with you.

And they put the dog in the back. And they started walking again. And what happened next is... They heard a scooter going around, meow, meow. And then this guy... Two guys, I think. A guy drove along and grabbed the bag. Stole the back from their hands.

And drives off. And they never saw the dog again. And so that's how that dog got stolen. Yeah, that's the story. And that's the story I heard. That's the story I heard from Emma. That's what happened to the colleague of a friend of mine. As we made our way through this chain of people, the story twisted in ways we could never have predicted.

The dog, once a Portuguese rescue dog, was suddenly no longer Portuguese. And the couple who owned the dog were no longer Dutch. I only know that they're American and I'm not sure if they're from New York. And the incident no longer happened outside the Louis Vuitton store. What I got was Chanel. A hundred percent positive if it was Chanel.

Even though we had just gone undercover there. Is it possible if I could have one of the carrier bags? My favorite thing with this episode in this story, that all journalists. As I told you, I'm a journalist. Yeah, you've got to know, I'm a journalist myself. And they've been spreading lies. And then we hit a dead end with the next person in the chain.

Joanna. They're not open to talk. They're closing the door. But why? Why is Joanna staying silent? What is she hiding? This fact that this couple doesn't want to talk to you, for me makes it even more true. Between Joanna's silence and the growing stack of lies, we started to wonder if we should just walk away. When are we going to stop? When are we going to go, right, that's enough. Everyone's having us on. But we can't. Because there's that one question that is still. haunting us. Is any of this real? Oh, what have you guys gotten yourself into?

So we're going to start right now by dedicating this episode to two of our youngest listeners. They're called Brody and Quinn and their mum reached out to me, Megan, I think her name is, and said they're massive fans of Doggy Park, one and two. They're seven and eleven years old, and I just thought it would be nice to say hi, Brody and hi Quinn. Oh no. Is what we say appropriate for a seven-year-old?

Never thought about pitching anything to a seven-year-old, and I'm pretty sure we swear, but is at the mother's own risk. Yeah, true. Okay. Brody and Quinn, thank you. Thank you for listening. We really appreciate it.

Where do we begin? I don't even know where to begin, but let's pick up where we left off. End of Doggy Bag part two. We put a shout out to all of our listeners. If you've encountered this story, We need your help. To submit any information about similar stories that they've heard.

And boy, have I been on a journey with the responses we received. What I'm going to say to you right now is, are you ready to join me in the biggest wormhole I have ever experienced? I think so. You are going to have a really loose grip on reality after this recording is over. My grip on reality is not very strong anyway, so fine. We thought we were done with Doggy Bag, but Doggy Bag wasn't done with us. We were standing in the dark, haunted by loose ends and dead ends. So we turned to you, and the moment we did, the floodgates opened.

Hundreds of tips. Stories whispered in different languages. Stories crossing borders and years. Your evidence has allowed us to assemble something unprecedented. a global timeline mapping out how doggy bag moved from one country to the next mutating as it went

and now we're forced to confront the questions that have been stalking this case from the start is Juel real is John real can we still find justice for him and his owners or do we need to find the person

who unleashed this lie and watched as the world caught fire because everything changed the moment we were put out that call, what we got back wasn't just information. It was evidence. Evidence that allowed us to trace the infection, to monitor the spread of the story like a deadly virus, to locate where and how the narrative twisted, and most importantly where it all began. So let's begin with the story that we all know, the Dutch variant. January 2020.

Tony hears the story from Joanna. Got no flashback to put here because she won't talk to us. February 2024, Tony tells Marieline. This person, a girl from the US, went on holiday to Paris with her family. But they had this dog. Four days later, Marialine tells Peter. They were just walking through Paris. And while they were walking there, the dog was getting slower.

slower and slower. May 24, Peter tells Emma. When they were in front of the Louis Vuitton store, there was a long line with very rich people. July, 2024, Emma tells Heidi. The dog became more ill and more ill. Seven days later, Heidi tells Giselle. And then on a certain moment,

they were walking at the Champs de Lise. The dog just died. But in August, 24, Only a few weeks after Giselle hears the story from Heidi, this story appears in a new country. Denmark. They go in in a boutique and the next thing that is a Louis Vuitton boutique. So they go in and ask them to buy a task.

Denmark. Denmark, so it's a Danish version of the crime. Amazingly, that person is also a journalist that reported that into us. No. Introducing the new. newest member of our international doggy bag chain, Katrina from Denmark. My friend of a friend, her and her husband, went to Paris. They had to bring their cute, cute dog because it was very old.

And they were walking the streets of Paris, enjoying life, enjoying each other. And all of a sudden, this dog kind of like stiffens up and tilts and dies out of Just dead. It was just outside a Louis Vuitton store. They got this big Louis Vuitton bag. Walked, but very shortly after a scooter came by. There was two setting on this scooter. And one of the guys just grabbed the Louis Vuitton bag and drove away with the dead dog.

As the story is circulating in Denmark in August 2024, Doggy Bag is still running rampant in Netherlands. Everywhere I go, it's like one of the first anecdotes I tell. I think I told the story to maybe 30 people. 15 or 20 people, mainly colleagues. Yeah, probably around 100. What the fuck? And our new Danish variant is almost identical to the Dutch variant. So it's highly likely that the Danish version came from the Netherlands. It's exactly the same story from the Netherlands. There's no difference. No. There's no different. Except for the stiffening, the stiffening is a part you've added. So he gets rig and mortis before he's dead.

Does that happen? We need to ask a scientist about that. A few weeks after the story lands in Denmark in September 2024, the story reaches Germany. And she dranked these shnaps and saten there and have been a bit ofholed. And then, they wanted to go offreaching and then suddenly that the task with the

Toshen within was been Denmark is doing pretty well because you've

stuck to the facts of the you know the Dutch version the facts the facts of the urban

legend the facts yeah the facts of the urban legend Germany however Germany has a lot

to answer for in this investigation good morning good morning good morning good morning nice to meet you

meet Sarah the next person in our international chain My version of the story goes as follows. And listeners, I hope you're sitting down for this.

So the incident happened to the acquaintances of the hairdresser of my boyfriend's family. And the acquaintances of the hairdresser went shopping in Dissoldorf in Germany on the Konigs Alley. And the Konigs Alley is a pretty luxury shopping mile full of luxury boutiques and stores and stuff like that. And they went shopping there and they also had their dog with them. And all of a sudden the dog died. And of course the hairdresser's acquaintances could not just leave the dog where it was, but had to transport it home somehow. So they entered one of the boutiques and asked for a bag, and indeed they received a bag and placed the dead dog inside.

However, they were still under shock, so they decided to have a drink at a restaurant, and they did that, so they entered a restaurant and ordered to schnapps and tried to recover from the shock. And when they were ready to leave, they realized that the bag was gone, and including the dead dog. So, yeah, that's how it went according to that version. Oh, my God. I've heard so many versions of this, as you can imagine. The schnapps edition is my favorite thing that has been added by anyone ever.

Is it normal for Germans to have a schnapps when you're in the midst of a real dilemma and stress? Is that the usual go-to when you're having a mental breakdown? Yeah, I feel that's true. So I guess that's a pretty German thing to just have a schnapps and then see whether you feel better afterwards. Just so unnecessary to add that, which is why I love it so much. Nothing else would work in that situation, I suppose.

It needs to be a schnapps. It's not realistic if it's not a schnapps. What flavor was the schnapps? I don't know. I'm sorry. How did the bag get stolen mid-snaps? Could you just tell that bit again? They sat down and they had the schnaps and I think they were just not paying attention to the bag anymore.

and they wanted to leave and go home again and bury the dog probably, I don't know. And then they realized that the bag was just gone and the dog as well. I think if you're sitting at a table in a restaurant and someone drags a really heavy bag out from under the table, you're probably going to notice it. I don't buy this version of events. I don't buy Germans variant. So it's your boyfriend's families, no, your boyfriend's hairdresser's family's friend. acquaintances of friends of the hairdresser

who has been cutting the hair of the family of my boyfriend for many years Come on Sarah, what the hell I think we should go get our hair cut at that hairdresser We need a budget for this We need to get some money somehow Because I want to go to Dusseldorf But you should bring like a translator

So I think she does not speak English So three of us will be getting our hair cut It'll be me, Karen and the translator Do you know what? Eschbeck and Klein Bisch in Deutsch Correct That should be sufficient, I guess. Finally, my German degree can kick into action.

Yeah, I've been waiting for this to actually kicking. My favourite word, just for context in German, is Natchnaker. Oh, yeah, it's nice. What does that mean? Night owl. No, it means slug. We're not done with Germany yet. We're talking about after 2024, it's gone crazy, and it's spread to many other countries,

so it's just not stopping. This story is getting out of country. control and there's just no stopping it. You've been over the street and before the Prada is the wound gestorpe. Meet Fiona. Fiona heard the story

in November 2024. A month after Sarah heard the Dusseldorf schnapps variant. You have reported this in because you heard it from a podcast, this story.

Yes. So you're actually in this whole chain of events, just so for the context, you're the most recent. The version you're about to tell us now. is the most recent evolution of this story. I got the story from a podcast, and the story was set in Munich.

Nobody traveled there. It was just a grandpa who lived there. Who has a dog? The dog was a puck, by the way. She just walked in the city's center of Munich, and suddenly the dog died. And it was in front of a Prada store. A Prada store.

And the people were nice. and just wanted to help. Here, take the bag so you don't have to carry your dead dog home. They put the dog in silk wrapping and in the Prada bag. The grandma went home with the Prada bag and went on the subway. And on the subway, a thief saw the Prada bag and, yeah, stole it. So that was like the story the podcast told. What is the dog called?

Does the dog call Juehl? Please tell me it's called. What would be the Juel equivalent in German? It Pug called Johann. You heard this when exactly? The day I texted you. And I think the podcast was like a day before that as well. So it's like roughly about a week ago when they published that.

Oh, it's so fresh. It's so fresh. And how did the hosts of this podcast tell the story? Yeah, were they better than us? Like how good were we in comparison to them? They didn't do like the episode on that. They basically have a segment before they do their true crime. convinced that it was true.

I think they both believed the story is true. And why the hell was it getting wrapped in silk? I thought that's so unnecessary. Why? Have you made that up? Because that's outrageous. I don't know. The whole thing is outrageous.

But the silk, so the dog dies and then proud is like, oh no, we couldn't possibly just place the dog in a bag. We must give it the finishing touch. We must wrap it like we do our luxury bags. Let me just finish the job. for you. I'm going to put you in the position of being the spokeswoman for the whole of your country. Now, there are a few countries that I think are quite responsible for really pushing this urban legend and changing quite a few facts. Lies, if you will. I mean, it's a creative lie. It's a creative

lie will celebrate. But Germany seems to be quite guilty of having changed things from grandmas to pugs to needing a schnapps. What would you like to say in defence of your country? Well, we had some storytellers back then. I mean, a lot of fairy tales are from Germany, so I think it's just in our blood. This story is getting out of control. It's passing from country to country, with ridiculous things being added as it travels, from Paris to Dusseldorf to Munich, from Portuguese street dogs

to pugs, from Louis Vuitton to Prada. But one thing is clear. There are no earlier versions of this story than the one we heard from Tony, the journalist at the top of the Dutch chain. Tony is still the closest link to the original source of this story. So I'm going to tell you because I got this from my friend Joanna and she actually told me this when we were in Paris together. But it happened to a friend of... of her girlfriend. So you're not that far away anymore.

He is the man who has the power to give us the answers. So personally, I really feel like we have to try and turn the heat up on Tony because he's the closest we've got to the origin of this new thread of the story. And I think that's one of our main objectives is we have to do everything we can to try and get in touch with Johanna. A dream for me would be to get a confession from her saying, you know what? I was in Paris and I'd heard the story and I just thought it was really fun and I just wanted to have a fun conversation and it was entertaining and I just came up with it. I want her confession that she came up with the Shamsalise. It's drowned of the story.

Yeah, I mean that would be incredible but we've tried really, really hard to talk to her. You have. I haven't done anything but how the hell are we going to get her to talk to us? Well, I feel like we need to up our game a little bit with that and possibly go to some of our original techniques which is... Trespassing. I just think maybe bribery. Just pay her.

Be like, look, you're going to be anonymous. We just want to speak to you. We'll give you a couple of hundred quid to speak to us. We just need her address. That's all we need. What about if we got... Oh, we don't know. Do we know her real name? No. No.

Because we could actually get a real PI to find her if we knew her full name. Do investigators hire investigators to do their work? I think fake investigators hire real investigators sometimes, yes. Okay, we know that Mariline is on our side. We need to get her to set up a meeting with Tony. We show up to the meeting. We force Tony to give us Joanna's full name. We then get a real private investigator.

to locate her and you go to her house in London. Sounds easy. Sounds easy enough. I think it's easier than, I just feel like the amount of times you tried to get Tony to ask her things. Like that was really, I wasn't even involved and it was painful for me. Yeah, okay.

You asked so many times, different messages, voice notes. You tried the sob story. You tried, I just don't think bribery is going to do anything at this point. This is what makes the story so annoying. They're not just nobody, is they're journalists. I just find it's, I was like, this is so mental that it's all come back to journalists. Oh, I've just had the best idea. This might be too extreme.

What if we genuinely get a bag, a heavy bag, and we go and wait outside Louis Vuitton, because this happens in Amsterdam, this type of crime, and we enable the crime to occur, and there's a dead animal in it. Well, maybe not a dead animal, but... Okay, that part's a bit extreme. But we actually enable the crime to occur. We set up the thief. Because inside the bag is just a rock or something.

Oh, my God, that's a really... But genuinely get a bag and put a rock in it, something really shit. Cover it with some fake fur that's not Louis Vuitton. And then just dangle it. With nothing. Yeah, just kind of get a bit distracted and be on your phone and just see, like... Exactly. But we're going to have to get another bag.

I've got the Armani bag I've got the Armani bag still It's probably moulded and it's I think it's ripped on the bottom But it needs to look like it needs to be a fresh bag Because it needs to look like it's got good Awesome so we need to go undercover again in Paris This is never ending Oh my God I love that we're setting up a thief

What if they get violent? Oh God, this could really turn This could backfire Yeah this doesn't sound like a great idea does it It sounds like a really good idea If I'm like saying to Helen, I'm like, just off to Paris for the weekend. They're like, oh, awesome, what are you doing? It's like, I'm going to loiter outside.

Lovetom with a rock and a bag waiting for a thief to come. Just going to see if I can get mugs. Yeah, true. Okay, maybe that is a damn out. I really thought I was on to something there. We've got quite a serious mountain to climb in the next 15 minutes, haven't we? Yeah, we really, really do. Okay, I'm letting her in.

Okay, wait, wait. have you done it? No. I just need to check what. I just need to check like what else we're doing because I feel a bit unprepared. We're completely unprepared.

That's okay though. We've done this before. Let's just wing it then. Fuck it. Just let her in. Yep. Hello. Hello. Hi.

Hi. How are you doing? Good. Yeah, good. I'm doing good. This is Marialine, Tony's friend. The person he told the story to If anyone can get Tony to play ball, it's Mario Line.

I bet you didn't expect to see us crop up again with a microphone. No, no, especially not since the end of the podcast, because it sounded like this. I mean, I still believe the story is true. Maybe you'll get into that. But the end of the podcast made me believe it wasn't, but I still have hopes. How did you feel about the ending? I think my friend Tony just got the name of the story wrong. because I was one of the first people he told the story to,

and I remembered the Louis Vuitton store and told everybody the Louis Vuitton store. So I had the feeling he got the store wrong, but I'm not quite sure. I absolutely agree with you, Marilyn. I had the exact same feeling, because I just feel like maybe, you know, he's not quite into the, I don't think he knows his Pradas from his Chanel's. And I think he remembers the luxury store. But I think so because, yeah, there's a few other reasons why we think that. but Louis Vuitton has definitely cropped up again.

Oh, I don't know. We question him on that during the interview. We really did. We said, like, have you got it wrong? And he was 100% certain. And he, I mean, you guys are both quite, you know, you've got jobs where you need to remember things as journalists and things like that.

And would you forget, I mean, I guess if he forgot, that's good for you. But if he remembered, then you're the one who made it Louis Vuitton. So one of you is like. This is very highly secretive information, but because you're the sort of top of our Netherlands chain, because Tony bless him, he's a really lovely guy, but he's really hard to get in touch with. And I think that was, as you could probably see in the episode. He's just very busy and he's making great stories and doing his journalist and thing. So you're kind of our key, the person that's closest to the source that we can speak with,

which is why we're speaking with you today. All I will say is since you heard this story and you told it along the chain that we very painstakingly spoke to a couple of months ago, the story has continued to spread. So you are now not just at the top of the chain for us, you're at the top of the chain for the whole of Europe, basically. Big responsibility. Yes. Big responsibility. We really need your help, Mariline. Yeah.

We need your help to try and see how we can get some more information from Tony. So we're wondering how do you think you could just help us to get some more information from Tony? Because you know him best. So he's very hard to get an appointment with for you guys. But for me, he's just a friend. So we do regularly meet up. He's in Morocco right now. He's on holiday.

I think we'll be back in maybe even a few days. He's been away for almost two weeks now. So I could tell him that you want to meet and then we could go for coffee or something together or meet somewhere, maybe even at his office because he works at the newspaper. So maybe they have quiet room. That would be amazing.

Maybe an official meeting at the office. We just need you to help us. Yeah. Into our jobs for us. No, I'll ask. Oh, you're great. Thank you. And so is that just going to be me, Karen?

Well, I'm happy to fly over if you need me to hold your hand. No. No, Mariline will be there as assistant to the assistant to the detective. Would you be happy with that title? This is a big title for you, Mariline. You're going to be temporary intern. Should we internal assistant? No, I think she's assistant.

She's being very helpful. Yeah. It's a bit awkward discussing whether we're demoting her or like. It's not HR. HR don't usually do that when the person's wonderful. It's not HR-friendly this conversation. Do you know if he's listened to Part 2 by any chance? Have you talked about the podcast?

No, okay. What did you call him in that? It was jokingly, but you called him something. A little bitch, I think. Yeah, that wasn't. Oh no, I called him a son of a bitch. I said, come on Tony, you son of a bitch. Get these girls on board.

Yeah. Would he care about something like that? No. I think he would think he would think It's funny. Because I don't want to show up at his office and he's got like security ready to, I don't know, embarrass me or something. Because he's like, this woman called me a son of a bitch. Here he is.

Tony is in the lobby. Oh my God. Bring him in. Okay. I'm bringing him in. Let's go. Hey. Hey.

Tony. How are you doing? So, Tony, what I'm going to tell you is you are still at the top of the top of. this pyramid of the chain. Since you told the Mario Line and it's gone down the Netherlands, that exact same story has now spread to Denmark and it's gone wild in Germany. You are at the top of this and you're the beginning of the ripple effect across Europe because you're the closest we've got so far. And so not to put pressure on you, but to put pressure on you. Tony, we really need to get in touch with Johanna

because we think she might be closer to the dog owners than we originally thought. So the thing is that I don't think it's a fabricated story because, I mean, I can tell you again what happened is that I was with Johanna in Paris. I think it's almost two years ago now, January 20, 24. And then she, so she's dating this girl. It's her girlfriend actually now for quite a while.

who is American though who is from New York from Queens and then it happened to a friend or cousin I probably told you someone that this girlfriend knew and so they're in London now

I could ask them again Do you know why she is cagey about speaking to us have you told her anything to make her suspicious about us? No I haven't but she's busy. I mean, she's a European trying to make a living in London,

trying to get her fees around and then her expenses covered and stuff. Yeah, she maybe just doesn't want media attention in general. All we really need is a five-minute call off the record just to be like, hey, we're doing this really fun investigation. Is there any chance? And we can be the ones to ask because I know it's a lot to ask you. So we just basically need her number and your permission. Sure, I'll go and send her a voice note today then.

We've had a few people that have also been a little bit uneasy about, I guess, engaging with complete strangers. And there is also the offer of meeting Karen in person for a coffee to discuss in a public place. If she's concerned about murder or anything that Karen might execute on her, she won't. And you can tell her that. But a little cheeky coffee in London in a public area. could also be a great option.

I think she might appreciate that or like the what you mentioned the off the record call. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then so the story spread through Denmark, Germany. Interesting. So that happened after January 24. Yeah.

Look, the thing is that what's your name, Johanna and I, we studied in this international program with people from all across Europe. And we do have some friends in Germany, by the way. Oh, I could actually see the Germany link. Oh, that's come about. Yeah, we were with his mutual friend in Paris and then... A German friend in Paris? No, no, Dutch friend.

One of her best friends from our program is a German girl who lived, I think, in Frankfurt over the past year, two years. We also have a mutual friend that we all speak to quite often who's in Berlin. So you're saying that Joanna could potentially have initiated the story in Germany as well. Yeah, yeah, probably. I mean, she probably told our friends who were based there as well.

The thing I wouldn't understand, though, is why people would, you know, tell the story and then kind of relocate it. Obviously, like, it can be like, if people misunderstand, but I'm not sure. I don't see what you would consciously do that. Well, you did that with Chanel.

Because I misremembered. According to you guys, I misremembered. Wait, so do you, so do you, you now think it's Louis Vuitton? I mean, you guys told me it should be Louis Vuitton. It should be Louis Vuitton. And I'll tell you why it's not Chanel, Tony. I went undercover in Paris, into the Chanel store on the Chonse de Lisier, the only Chanel store that exists on that street.

And I went in there, and I told them the story. And essentially, they said, there is no way this could have happened here because they are not allowed to give out. free bags in any circumstance. So company policy forbids them from actually handing out free bags. And even if they were to give out a free bag, the largest bag they have is to hold only makeup and perfume because that store, the Chanel store on the Chonseilise, doesn't sell big products.

And then your friend Marilin is also adamant that it was Louis Vuitton. So one of you is lying. That it probably has been Louis Vuitton. So do you think Joanna well, we'll ask her, hopefully. Well, hopefully we'll be able to talk to her. She'll know the truth.

So right now, after this conversation, you've heard all the facts. What's the percentage of certainty you are that it was Chanel? I would say 60. I'll go and talk to you, and... Amazing. I'm also curious. I also want to know.

Yeah? Yeah. Thank you guys. And also, apologies for my part. I'm not responding and stuff. No, you're busy. I'm also sorry. I called you a son of a bitch in episode two because

I completely understood it I really am sorry I completely understand I mean I did the same with tourists who do not pick up the phone You probably don't do it while you're recording yourself saying it and then put it into a podcast episode.

No worries. I'm really glad you got that off your chest and we're all still friends at the end of this. Please keep on spanning it works. Okay great. Thank you so much Tony. Thank you Tony. Tony has confirmed it.

Joanna has multiple connections to Germany and one of the people who was with her in Paris on the very night she first fed Tony the story holds a direct link to somebody German. This means one thing. Joanna may be the one responsible for launching this story in Germany. We cannot ignore that. we need answers

and the only way to get them is to confront her. Tony is now playing ball and just when we think the next steps in this story are clear the next twist hits us without warning.

Out of nowhere a brand new lead from Slovenia this story. This story I've seen before two years and sicer is an starryish pair

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must have had been his his three So that are all three. Hi Luca Hello

Thank you so much for joining us Okay I heard it two years ago and the story goes that there was an elderly couple

who was celebrating their wedding anniversary and for this wedding anniversary they booked train tickets to Paris. But at the same time, their daughter had something going on, so they had to take care of the dog, of the daughter, who was quite old.

But they took the dog with them anyway, and then they were walking up and down from the Lizzie, and in front of a Gucci store. A Gucci store. The dog died. And the people inside the store, they saw the elderly couple in this store. came out, asked what's going on, invited them in, gave them some water, and then so they could take the dog to the vet or to wherever you take the dog, they gave them a big Gucci bag. And so the couple later continues their way and someone comes on a scooter and snatches the bag and just disappears.

And then apparently the guy said to the woman, well, at least there is a little. one problem less for us now. Oh. Something like this. So that's it. Loka. What the hell. Gucci?

Are you 100% certain it was Gucci? I'm quite certain it's Gucci. I don't know what is in your version. I haven't listened to it. We've got quite a few versions, but mainly it's Loviton or Chanel. There is no luxury brand that is safe from this story. I will check with a friend who told me this story actually

she heard it in a in a work setting so her I don't know if her boss or something and she wasn't even comfortable with me saying what she does on the podcast so that sounds to me like she is a bit nervous because deep down she knows this is a bit of a fake story is what I'm hearing from that actually I believe her I don't think she's the kind of person who would who would make something up in this way. But do you believe her boss?

Because if her boss was the one who told her the story, it's more that the belief needs to come into the boss. And does she trust her boss? No idea. No idea. But I want to believe the story. One other question, the elderly couple, where did they come from?

Which country? Slovenia. So it's a Slovenian couple now. So could you just remind us when if you had to put a month and a year on when you heard this story? I think when we texted I said last year, but actually it must have been two years ago. So November, two years ago. Hang on, hang on, hang on, sorry. November 20203 are you saying?

Yes, I think so. Uh-oh. Shit. The Dutch line wasn't the beginning of this. if it is truth, Luca is the closest we've got to this dog owner. So there's lots of different variants of this, but this particular Champs-Sorice

outside a luxury store like bag theft is the one that we started with. And this person that told you is the first person that we've ever come across having broadcast this to thousands and thousands of listeners that have come in. And we asked them to report back, when did they hear the story?

what was the story. So you're now at the top of this chain. So Slovenia potentially spread this variant to the Netherlands, is what we're saying. Wait, I will text immediately the friend. Yeah, text her immediately. She says Gucci, my friend. Tell your friend that we need to have words with her. Do I try to put you in touch?

I think why not? We're in this deep. We can't. We can't slack off now. Yeah, we can't slack off. Lukra, I think we need to do this. Do you know what? She'll be a lot more reassured or more nervous,

but she'll know what she's in for. She listens to Doggy Bag. We'll send you the links of Doggy Bag Part 1 and 2. She'll listen to that. I have them. I have them. Just say, hey, I just spoke to Karen and Lauren. They're actually really lovely people. And everything they are doing is normal,

and it's completely fine if you talk to them. Okay, okay. If not, I'll call her when we finish. hopefully put you in touch because I'm invested. Luca, no pressure, but you have to make this happen. This is mandatory, Luca. Mandatory. Do you know anything about the breed of the dog?

What kind of dog was it? This was a smaller dog. Okay, so we've named the dog in, originally in the Dutch version, we called it Joao, because it was a Portuguese rescue dog. Then when we realized it switched owners to owners that lived in London, and we changed it to John. So we want to know what the Slovenian version of John is. Janus.

Janus. Okay, Janus. So actually he is Janus. The most likely name for him is Janus. So we have to do the memorial all over again. I'm okay with it. If we are close to this, our initial objective was to find justice for Janus.

Because we, it's actually, if this did happen, our initial, we wanted to try and track down what happened to the dog so we could honour the life and actually give closure to the dog owners. So that still is on the table that we're offering our pro bono detective services. So when you do reach out to Anna, just slide that offer across the table as well, being like there's two top of the range, unqualified detectives that are willing to give at least two weeks of their time for free to get justice for Janus. And then to host a memorial service for Janus.

And we're really good at memorial services. Yeah, I bet. Is it in the podcast? Yeah. Can't wait. Oh my God. Don't get your hopes up. Don't, yeah, I drop your hopes right now.

No, it's too late. No, I can't. Sorry. We certainly have. We have reached a critical point in this investigation. Two people, Luca and Tony, are convinced this story is true. So it's you and Luca on the same level in this pyramid. And then it's Anna on Luca's side and Joanna on your side.

They both have honour in the name. That's really weird. What's going on? They trust their source with a certainty that leaves no room for doubt. No space for the possibility that the story could be a lie. We told Tony all about Luca

and the Slovenian version that is now above him in the timeline. The Slovenian guy, Luca, who reported the case in, he's also basically certain that this is true because he trusts his friend so deeply and she is not the kind of person who would lie

and you're the same. Yeah. So what percentage do you think this story is true? Oh, like 90 for sure. I mean, the thing is that some friends, you know, they could kind of make up a story or exaggerate just for attention. And then Johanna is definitely not a type of friend. So I wouldn't expect that from her.

But then also I don't see her girlfriend as someone who would forge it, who would make it up. And that happened to someone close to her, right? So, no, I do think it's like a fairly high percentage of it being true. I'm just now, like, more convinced than I was before that this could be a version of this that is true. I know, me too. The fact that you believe that it is true 90% and you are a journalist gives me actually a little bit of hope that this might be true, which is insane. Hey, so how many more episodes on the doggy bags are you?

How long is a piece of string, Luca? We thought it was going to be done after two episodes. Now we're on part three and four. And depending on what you come up with in putting us in touch with your friend, it could be another hundred episodes. Who knows? Basically, the future of our podcast lies in your hands.

Up next on Doggybeg. And I have tracked the evolution of this story as far back as 1904. It kind of gets just a little. little bit more out of control. This is their truth. This is their truth. It wasn't a dog.

I don't know what's more alarming. The schnapps or that there was an actual human death involved. Now we get into a bit of a twist in this story. If you didn't think it was already really meta, it's about to get even more meta because we're involved now. Two blocks in and we're at a crosswalk. He goes, hey, this is heavy. What's in here?

Oh fuck. I wasn't about to tell him. So light turns green, he drops the bag, grabs me, throws me into the street. What have we got ourselves into? You can't make it up. Stop trying to make us get arrested. What is he going to do?

I did it and would do it again. Well, that escalated. Do you think actual murderers have this kind of brainstorm? I think so, yeah. But maybe not like digitally whilst being recorded.