Who Shat On The Floor At My Wedding? And Other Crimes - S3 E4 Human v. Bear - Part One

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

In 2023, photos of a Sun Bear at a zoo in Eastern China broke the internet. Why? Because the bear was waving and looked suspiciously like a bloke in a ill-fitted bear suit.But what is the truth, is this an authentic Sun Bear or a human in disguise?To get to the bottom of it, the unqualified detectives call in the experts: animatronic bear suit specialist Nik Williams and Dr. Wong, CEO of the Bornean Sun Bear Foundation.But the deeper they dug, the stranger it got. Suspicions, motives, and questions kept piling up. There was only one solution: temporarily hang up the detective hats, don the lawyer robes, and stage a full trial with a jury to settle the matter once and for all.Part Two drops September 11th.Follow us on Instagram @whoshatontheflooratmywedding for case evidence and behind-the-scenes content.
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In-hurt, there's a dupeau. In the delirion, there's a man in a shone-ma-lai-hung. Oh, you've got the wrong department, ma'am. This is the police. We deal with real crimes. Hang on, I'll transfer you to someone who can help. Karen. Karen. Okay, I've got it.

Get the phone. Karen, pick up the phone. Now. Give me one second. Just finishing my biscuit. Honestly, Karen. Hi there, it's assistant to the detective, Karen Whitehouse here. How can I help?

I want to report. In the don't know a young in shonged in chung to chung. Oh, okay. I'm going to have to patch you through to the lead detective for this kind of case. Hold the line. Alright, here we go. This is Detective Lauren Kilby speaking. How may I help you?

Welcome to our brand new series. When the cops say no, we say yes. This is Detective Lauren Kilby reporting semi-live from our underground detective agency. I'm here with assistant to the detective, Karen Whitehouse. This season, we're launching the world's first speed-solving. detective service. Each episode, we're going to take on a new non-crime crime submitted by one of our lovely listeners. We'll meet them, hear their story and present back our groundbreaking theories in an attempt to crack the case. Part detective show, part game show, part panicky

race. This is when the cops say no, we say yes. This story begins in July, 2023. It was a hot, Sticky afternoon at Hangzhou Zoo in eastern China. Families drifted through the zoo, pausing to look at every new creature. Tourists were minding their own business. But inside the sunbear enclosure, something was off. And in that sunbear enclosure, supposedly a couple of sunbears. Zoo visitors began to exchange glances.

Something about the sun bear's behaviour felt, unusual. A few visitors went to this sunbearing closure and took quite a few photos of one bear in particular that was standing on his hind legs and waving at the visitors. Is this normal behaviour for a sun bear? Do sunbears usually wave?

It's a very dubious bear. Or was there something even stranger unfolding? Was this even a real bear? This creature is standing like a drunk fat man. The media heavily reported on this. Breaking news, crowds flock to Chinese zoo after human in a costume bear goes viral. A zoo in eastern China is trying to reassure visitors

that their sun bears are not people dressed in costumes. The internet was divided. I saw it with my own eyes. It's 100% not a real bear. It looks like my uncle Larry. Prostia absolute, it's just clickbait. Bear for a real? It's really, I amy trying to see me

looking at it, I'm afraid of it. It was very much I am quite obsessed with this personally and I think the fact that it's wearing a sort of ill-fitted suit, like the suit is like sagging around its ass. Very disproportionate torso, very thick neck. I just want to put this to bed.

Our mission is simple. Find out if this is an orthodox. authentic sunbeer or a human in disguise. We can keep speculating, but I think we need to ask some experts. Yeah, who have you got? So I have done a pretty good job on this one. I'm quite pleased with myself. Our expert to explain how it is possible to create a lifelike animatronic bear suit is a guy called Nick,

who is the founder of a company called Animated Extras, and he creates these really photoreal suits for the film industry. And then the second expert is Dr Wong, the CEO of the Sun Bear Foundation in Malaysia. There's literally no one more qualified in the world of sun bears than him. Except for a sun bear itself. The org chart in his world would be him at the top and then all the sun bears. All the sun bears below him. And then you and me probably. And we are going to talk to these two people and we're going to build our knowledge and information about both sides of the story. And at the end, what are we going to do? Well, I think we need to reach a clear verdict and the only way to do that is to hold our own court's trial. So we need a jury

which I've actually already organised and a judge which I've already organised. The presiding judge has been confirmed and it is none other than our lawyer from seasons one and two. We're no longer using his real name because sometimes people get in trouble for being on our podcast. For the purpose of this trial, he shall be referred to as L. Rise. Yeah, he was actually quite excited about this one, so he's definitely on board to be the judge. Obviously, he's based in New Zealand, so we can't do this in person. So it has to become a virtual trial. We've got an actual plan for this episode?

We've got a plan. And it's going to be completed in 24 hours. So we've got the virtual court case, and the date has been set for tomorrow morning. And the members of the jury are my mum and dad and your mum. The jury has been established. My mum, Karen's mum and Karen's dad will together decide the fate of this case. They will determine if it is a real sunbear or a person in a bear suit. Karen and I spoke to her mum yesterday to test the sound equipment. So there'll be your mum.

Yeah. You and Karen and Chris and I. And the judge. Right. And Chris is going to be the foreman if that's all right. Oh, the foreman of the jury. Karen's parents have taken it upon themselves to elect the foreperson of the jury. Who are the lawyers going to be?

What we're going to do is we're going to send over email the facts of the case from the expert and then we're going to put the case for and against. I mean, it's not really legally the best practice. But maybe you and I should be, one of us should be the defendant and one of us should be the prosecutor. So just for the purpose of the court case, you and I should present our findings to the jury, our mums and dads. Karen and I will assume the right. roles of opposing counsel.

This is quite possibly the worst conflict of interest that we have ever done in this podcast. I'm giving you the great task and honour of defending the sun bear for all real sunbears out there saying that this is a real sun bear and this is very standard behaviour to wave at people. And then my job is to say actually this is just definitely a man in a bear suit. I'm defending the beer. I'm saying it's a real beer. Not only are we. We've got conflicts of interest of representing our own podcast episode.

As non-lawyers. As non-lawyers. We then have a jury that's not only completely biased because they're our parents, but also the waiting of that biased jury is really in my favour because I've got two-thirds. You've got two-thirds. Two-thirds of the jury attached to me. But I would say at this stage, it's looking more likely that it is a real sum beer. realistically that is just where we're at right now with the case so actually it's better that

you have an additional jury member in your favour because I'm already going to most likely win this so it's better that you've got mum and dad defending you so we're saying it's a very very fair setup I think it balances out I think so do the issue is that also your mom and dad will be physically together and then my mum will be so like they could also just like shut down my mum when she starts talking and like put her on mute and stuff I'm worried that there's going to be like bullying within the jury. Yeah, it could get messy. My dad is...

Because they can just start talking over my mum and there's only one of my mum's. Right now, how is your relationship with a mum? Because I've been a really good girl. You know, when sometimes you were like in favour and without a favour of your parents? I feel like I'm really at the top of my game right now, parent-wise. Yeah, I've got the fact that my mum is just so deeply proud of my podcast. Your podcast. Yeah, mine.

Yeah. And that she's going to do whatever it takes to like... Well, actually, she's not... She would throw me under the bus if necessary. She would 100% throw me under. She threw me under the bus as well. Remember she Googled that poem we wanted her to talk to her cryptic crossword group about? She googled it and embarrassed me.

So my dad is actually a lawyer, but a solicitor, not a barrister. I asked him to be on the jury and he's been taking this so incredibly seriously that I had to have a call with him this morning just because he was like, I would really need to just go through what the expectations are for, you know, tomorrow morning. And I'm like, sure, Dad. I was like, well, this is what we're going to provide you some evidence. And Lauren is going to do a barrister speech. So am I?

And we're going to put forward two sides of this argument. You've got to just deliberate and come up with a verdict. And he was like, there's only two things a foreman would actually say in court. The judge would speak to him saying, have you reached a verdict? And the only thing, the first thing he could say is yes or no. And then the second thing is, what is that verdict? And he would be saying guilty or not guilty. And dad was like, well, we wouldn't ever deliberate open.

in court. And I was like, I know that. This isn't an actual court. Oh, my God. We know no one's going to fucking deliberate in court openly. I just wonder whether he thinks we are actually going to be in a court. I tried to explain that we are our own jurisdiction. I don't think he's listened to season one very much. I don't think he's listened to any of the podcast if he thinks any of this is serious.

Does he know you're not a lawyer? This is where your daddy issues are coming back in, I think. I think that maybe he doesn't know a lot about you. You love bringing my daddy issues into it. We need Mike Barry again just so I can get comfort. Now that we've got our roles assigned to us that I'm going to be trying to argue that this is a man in a suit.

Sorry, can we just get the terminology right? Am I defendant? Are you the prosecuting lawyer? Well, who's the client? Because who's sewing? Who's taking her to court? I think the real sunbears are taking the fake. The fake, the accusation.

It's a defamation trial. I think, I think, like, the public is suing the zoo. No. It's either the public is suing the zoo. Class action. Or the sun bears are suing the zoo. So I'm the, like, defence and your prosecution. But you're prosecuting me for being real.

I think there's, the problem is there's two angles to this. So it's a very layered trial. It's a layered trial. Maybe we don't need to get the terminology right. but I just feel like I want to know what kind of lawyer I am, what I say that I am. Hi, I'm Lauren Kilby. I'm on the defence team.

Maybe we're just both on our own defence teams. Who cares? I think my issue is that I don't know if I'm lead lawyer or not. And your assistant to lawyer. We are equals. We are not equals in the detective agency, but we are equals in the legal world. I'm actually okay with that.

I think it's going to produce a better result if we go in as equals. Today we're equals. We're not equals because you've got two parents. defending you. Yeah, but we've agreed that I need more help, so it's fair. It's equal and we are equals for once. This case is officially open. This episode is sponsored by the OCS summer pre-roll sale.

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Processing evidence files. Initiating lie detector machine. Suspect profile complete. Activating expert database. Professional experts at the ready. Contacting experts. Before we speak to the experts, we are taking to the streets of chipping Norton in the UK, armed with a microphone, three pieces of evidence, and a burning question.

Is this a human in a bear suit or a real bear? Exhibit A, the creature is standing tall on the edge of a rock, sporting either a pair of oversized baggy trousers or an impressive collection of fat rolls. Exhibit B, a close-up of the creature giving a left-handed wave. Exhibit C, a close-up of the face. Listeners, this evidence is ready for your forensic analysis on our Instagram page. At who shat on the floor at my wedding.

You ready? Yeah. The truth is out there, chipping Norton. The only question is, what do you believe? Excuse me, may we ask you a question? Depends what he does. Well, I mean, that's somebody dressed up as it there. The way it's standing.

It looks like a man in there. I think it's a man. in a suit. It's not the right shape for a bear. Definitely a man in a suit. Bears don't have sadly bottom. Oh, and he has no butt. Okay.

I think it's a man. He looks like he's got some trousers on there. You kind of see his ass a little bit for her. I need you to tell me if this is a real beer or a human in a beer soat. That looks like a real bear to me, actually. Maybe a man with no arse. Yeah, I think that's a man. The feet look quite human-like.

No? Why do you think it's a man and not a woman? I mean, there's no breasts from what I can see unless they're hidden under those little claw-like arms that are sticking out. Although it does look like that person's wearing leather moccasins. I still think it's a bear. And there is sort of a funny wrinkling at the bum area that looks like a badly made sort of bear suit.

It looks like a witsuit. It looks like neoprene. Bears have wrinkles too. Could I ask you a question, please? Yeah, it wasn't me. I didn't do it. I'm just going to hand them to you. It's a beer.

You think it's a beer? Yeah. Real bear. Real beer? Yeah. You should we ask him, what do you reckon? I think it's a thanks, but no thanks if you don't mind. Accessing expert database.

Professional experts at the ready, contacting animatronic bearsuit expert Nick Williams. Hi, I'm Nick Williams, founder of Animated Extras Limited, and I set this up about 40 years ago to make creature costumes and make-up effects for films. How many bears have you been involved with in your career? Well, we have four costumes. We have a polar bear and a baby bear, and two full-grown bears. So I've been involved certainly with four creature costumes, bear costumes.

Exhibit A. We are presenting the evidence to Nick. The same evidence we presented to the public. His gut feeling is that this is a person wearing an animatronic bear suit. He's got a lot of compliments for the people who made the suit. It's a very nice head, whoever's done this. The fur is actually very nice, which is always one of the problems, is trying to find a fur that looks real.

so do you think that's possible to get fur that realistic you can but normally you'd see a seam because it's quite short this fur no seams exhibit b he's a bit chunky on the old stomach but of a beer belly to be honest what what you do to make that happen is you add muscles to top of somebody so it doesn't necessarily have to be somebody chubby it could be that they've altered the shape so it could be a skinny person but the suit itself is fat

yes exhibit c is, I mean, obviously the pose is the most silly with the hand up. That doesn't look like a bear should do that. That looks like a person that would do that. What, you're talking about the waving one now, yeah. The waving one, yeah. So right now, gun to head. I would say this is somebody wearing a suit.

How much do you think it would cost to make this kind of suit? Lots. I mean, I think you're looking at sort of 80 to 100 grand. But you can rent them out as well, can't you? So if I wanted to rent one of these for a couple of days, and we're mates, so you give me a good deal, what could I get some bear costume for? Well, the trouble is that you have to have one that's already made. So our bear costumes go for, they rent out for about, I think it's 6,000 a day, plus all the support staff that come with them. Who else needs to help operate it? To make it work, you need somebody who can go inside the costume.

And they're specialist people. They study animal movements. One of the things that they wouldn't do is wave if they were trying to persuade somebody because that obviously doesn't look real. Let's say that I'm the perfect. I've been studying some bear behaviour and movements for a good five years, consistently, and I'm like the best person for the job. I'm in the suit.

Who else is, like, making my ears move? There'd be two people who'd be, they could be miles away, or they could be half a mile away at least. That far away? Yeah, yeah, it's all radio-controlled, so it's all remote. I was worrying that they had to be in the bare enclosure, like hidden behind in the rock, so they could be comfortably having a cup of coffee in Zoo H.K.

In a cafe, yes. Okay, Nick. In the final virtual court case that will be taking place at the end of this episode, we will bring all of the facts of the case to our judge and jury, our parents. So it's slightly biased, but that's okay. We are pretty good at working with conflicts of interest

in this podcast. Basically, in that court case, because we don't have access to lawyers, Karen and I will be pausing our duties as lead detective and assistant to the detective, and we will actually be becoming lawyers for this virtual trial. I will be essentially defending the bear,

and saying that this is 100% a real beer, just so you know that is my position as the lawyer in this case. She's not your friend, I'm your friend, because I'm defending. I gathered. I've seen your work, seen it very capable. I've just showed her the donkey, actually. Before the call, Karen showed me some of Nick's previous work, a donkey, an animatronic donkey that this guy Nick built.

That is 100% a real. there's one real donkey and one fake donkey in that video they're both real no what the fuck if any of those two are fake can you not see the guy hanging out at the end of it oh yeah oh yeah he's controlling that one i didn't couldn't tell which donkey was real or fake until your body was exposed sat on the back of it yes yeah yeah and Until the donkey ended and you began. That's when I realized that donkey was fake. But I was actually a little bit impressed, I will say.

Do people often wear nappies when they're put in these suits and need to act for a long period of time, the performer? Would you ever put a performer in a nappy? I've never, no. No, I don't think I would. He wouldn't. I've never had to. But what if it soils the soot?

Because those suits are quite expensive, as you say, 100 grand. We've never had anybody do that. That would be a good podcast. though, who's shat in my bear suit? You don't really want to go into bodily fluids, I don't think. Yeah, I do. The fact is that they sweat an awful lot inside these costumes, so you don't actually need to go for a P for probably six hours.

Have you ever built an inbuilt cooling system for a performer? All of our suits have cooling systems in them. Okay, so why would you need to get out after four hours? Breathing is the problem, is because you're in an enclosed space. You're rebreathing your own air. Also, you get disorientated. The vision's inevitably bad. Are you Nick saying that you could create a suit so realistic

that you could trick real sunbears into not mauling the fake sunbeer? With real creatures, if you put real creatures with anemotronic suits, they hate them because they don't smell correct. Have you ever tried to, like, inject real smell into your suits? That's nice an idea. No. I haven't. Okay.

Maybe we could work together on something in the future and inject that smell in. It just feels like a very dangerous and expensive operation to fake it. It isn't a cheap one, no. We're looking back at Exhibit A, where the creature is standing on the edge of a tall rock. It's impressive that it's, if it's standing on the edge of that, I wouldn't want to be in that suit. Yeah, it's quite risky. In fact, to be honest, looking at that, I would say that isn't suit. Why? So you think it's just too precarious? Because he's like on tiptoes on the edge of a...

I would say that's a definite, that is a real bear. Because what's the peripheral vision like on these suits? It's bad. If there's somebody inside there, their head would be basically where his shoulders are. And imagine the person inside there, they'll be looking out from that, So they're going to have very limited vision because they're going to have a piece of cloth in front of them. And then they're standing on the edge of a rock. So they're probably, they're not going to put themselves there if they can't look down.

And he's moving forwards when he's standing on the rock. It's not great. It's not great, is it? This is not good for you. Any final tips for me going into a very scary virtual court trial and helping me to give me the arguments I need to win this battle? It's basically his legs. have a look wrong as a bear. He looks like he's standing in a pair of trousers.

Ill-fitting trousers. Yes. And also the, I mean, just generally his skin's, it's very loose, isn't it? There's lots of creases and no bottom on him, no firm rump, which I would imagine at the top of your legs you should have. Have you seen humans who have torsos ending at their knees? Because that's what this thing has. We tend to drop people's crutch to make it look like a short-legged creature.

Can we just recap the best chance I've got of winning this court trial is because altered crutch lengths are a thing. And baggy trousers are also in my favour, given this evidence. Apart from fitness, the ability to get dehydrated and ability to just, perform in the way that these animals perform. Apart from that, what kind of like physical features are you looking for for someone to wear one of these soaps and to perform? You have to have had experience because you'll find lots of people freak out inside costumes because you can't get out yourself.

Also, the fitness is if you actually, we've had gymnasts inside costumes and it hasn't worked. They require too much oxygen. for their body, so they breathe too heavily, which is good when they're doing their gymnastics, but not good if you're inside a bear costume. Do you find that most people that control their suits are like a specific gender?

No, not particularly. I mean, most of the people we use tend to be men, but that is not the case through the industry. Most of the people I know that do them are blokes, yes. I'm just saying like, yeah, like a ginger female around age 38 could also it would be a good option. Do you know anyone in the industry that's had a pretty juicy commission for a couple of sun bears recently? I don't. I don't. And I do know most people,

but yes, I don't know anybody who's made a sunbear. Do you think you could put a few feelers out? But we don't know that it came from Britain, do we? No, but we've got to check all angles, neck. Oh yeah, I was asking if it's happened to your international network, not just Britain. Yes, well, that's what, I mean, I'm sure if somebody made a sun bear, we'd know about it. I love that. I love it. It's just like the inside of knowledge. Exactly. Britain would not be in the dark if the sun bear, an animatronic sunbear was out there. To be honest, whoever made that would want to rent it out for other projects. They wouldn't be keeping a sunbear quiet.

Any final words for Lauren? The one where he's waving, Exhibit B, below his chest, it looks like his chest is glossy. And then there's a hair that goes just below his chest that starts as a line. Yeah, yeah. I would have said that looks unnatural. You would imagine it would fade into his chest, not just sort of finish at one point. Yeah, the line on skin. Which could also just be like for the human hands to come out and grab a snack or something.

Yeah. Well, I think we've got all the tools we need for our court case. Thank you so much, Nick, for advising us. That's all right. Pleasure. Thank you, Nick. Good luck with it. Thanks a lot.

I hope you find out. We will reach a verdict tomorrow morning, regardless of what happens. Someone will be in trouble. Yeah, so just before then, if you can check in with the international animatronic bersuit industry and just check that no one's made

a sunbeck costume, that'd be great. I will ask. This episode is sponsored by the OCS summer pre-roll sale. Sometimes when you roll your own joint, things can turn out a little differently than what you expected. Maybe it's a little too loose.

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at OCS.C.A. and participating retailers. Accessing expert database. Professional experts at the ready, contacting real sunbear expert, Dr Wong. Hi, my name is UT Wong. I am the founder and the chief executive officer of the Bornin Sun Bear Conservation Center based in Sanakan, Sabah, Malaysia, Borneo.

I'm a wildlife biologist and a tropical forest ecologist. We're now speaking to Sun Bear expert, Dr. Wong, and we've launched straight into the details of the trial. And we're putting it to the jury to decide. once and for all to get the verdict on this case. Interesting. Don't you have other better thing to do? No.

I'm just kidding. Why do you love sun bears so much? One of the reason is that they are so cute. As the smallest bear species in the world, they are very cute. I'm sure you have seen a picture or video of a sun bears, but yet they are forgotten. And after I studied the sun bears,

I realized that, oh, they play many important ecological roles. They are like the spirit of the forest. The forest would not be complete without them. They are so important, but yet they are so forgotten. Over the last 17 years, we have been working with rescue often sand bears. Many of them are cups when we rescue them. So they become my family. There are two different subspecies of sandbair.

Dr Wong tells us that the sunbears in the enclosure at Hangzhou Zoo are Malayan sunbears. And when they stand tall, they blur the line between beast and human. People believe that bears in Hangzhou Zoo looks like human because when they stand up, it is human height. We're going to go straight to it now, Dr. Wong. Do you think it was real and if so, why? The video that gone viral in Hangzhou Zoo, 100% no doubt that it is a real bear. Why? Because I've been observing, studying, seeing bears for a long time. And I know this is how San Ben looks like. I've seen so many bears standing, walking. I have a difficult job because tomorrow in the court, I have to try and prove that this was a human in a bear suit. And it was technically possible for it to be that way. technology exists and it is possible to do something as realistic as that. My main issue with the video is that this bear waves at the visitors.

Could you just expand on is that normal behavior for a sun bear? Yes, okay. So many bears especially, not just sun bear, you know, polar bear, brown bears, you name it. Many bears in a zoo that fed by visitors, tourists, they tend to learn that as long as they wave, as long as they do something to attract their attention, food will come that is called positive reinforcement. And they learn. Wave in order to get food, it is not rare. If a bear's being trained to stand up with food, then they'll do that.

You know, they are very smart animals. However, from your point of view, right now you are going to defence, this is a human dress-up in the sunbat suit, right? I can understand why you say so because it is very human life. If I dressed my friend and colleague Lauren here in the most lifelike sunbear animatronic costume, the one that really could convince everyone that she's actually a sun bear and I put her in the enclosure at your conservation centre

with real sun bears, what do you think would happen? Could you just describe what you think would happen to Lauren? Well, I think our bears will run away because they are very shy. They are very cautious. However, I'm sure there are a few bears that all want to sniff and check things out. And then if things go wrong, they might charge. Sun bear live in a bear kills bear wall. If an adult bear meet up with another bear's in the forest,

they'll get into a fight and they try to eliminate each other. So they might try and eliminate me. What's the danger level, one being completely safe and 10 being Lauren is going to get killed if I pushed her into that enclosure. I would say like eight or nine. If you want to see a video of a Sunday victim, attack victim, let me know it's in my phone. You want to see? Yeah, I do.

Yeah, I do. Yeah? Very graphic after one year. No, that's okay. We need to handle the truth, don't we? You might have night. Mayor. It's okay.

All I can say right now, listeners, is that you are lucky that this is an audio-based medium. Is that a... Oh! Oh, my God, that's a person. That's a person face. Oh, my God. You are for it.

Yes. Dr. Wong, we did. We asked for it. Fine, it's our fault. Yep. I understand. Okay. Okay, so don't blame me.

We have nightmares tonight. I'm going to call you if I get nightmares. I'm going to call you in the middle of the night. Don't. They got very strong teeth. So this is something that you cannot underestimate how strong they are, period. We're a bit pathetic in the whole scale of the animal kingdom. We're not great.

But we got very smart brain and we can make weapon. We can't. We know how to make weapon. Dr Wong, I would like to know why, and obviously you know that I'm on your side here, you and I are quite advanced in our thinking, and we understand that this is clearly a real bear. However, why does it look like the bear is wearing baggy pants, baggy trousers? Very good question. Thank you.

Sun bear has low skin. They have wrinkled skin on the face. Their skin is very low. Low skin is an armor to protect them in a fight. Do you know what a muffin top is? Muffin, the one that we eat. It's an explanation for someone, like when they're wearing trousers and their fat spills over it. Oh, just like me, you want me to show you that? Well, I've got one, so I don't need you to show me. Basically, it's like spills over the top of the trousers and it's called a muffin top. Yes. It looks like those sunbears have like multiple muffin tops.

Absolutely. The summary of that is that sun bears have excuses for their saggy skin, their love handles, their muffin tops. But Karen and I do not have the same excuse. Yeah, something like that. No more munching of food. It's the salty crisps for me, which I can't give up and I won't give up. Yeah, as long as you stay away from the sugar. I would just like to understand Dr Wong

the texture of the fur of a sun there because it looks very difficult to replicate and in fact our animatronic suit expert said that would be a difficult thing for him to recreate on a professional suit. So what is their fur like? Well, if you are here, I would let you touch my hair. It's just like that.

or go outside if you have a short-haired dog breed touch it, stroke it, pat it. So you're saying we need to go outside into the streets and look for someone with similar haircut to you or a random dog and touch it. Make sure that the hair is dense enough. I notice that there's a lot of middle-aged British guy that is bald.

We're once again reviewing the image of the bear standing on the edge of the rock. A sunbears usually kind of dare devils like that. Do they usually stand on the edge of things? The edge is the best spot to get fought. As you can see in Exhibit B, Dr Wong, there are two lines, well there's one very visible line around the top of the stomach of the sunbear

and then you can see that there's the beginning of that same line on the other side that's kind of in a similar position. my concern is that those are like zips. I just want you to explain to me and please reassure me that this is like a standard part of the skin of the bear, that those lines are normal. This is not normal.

Most of the sun bear do not have this kind of lines or something. I'm not sure why this bear have line. It's also why this bear has two very symmetrical lines as well. It can be a scar to a point where Harris won't grow on that scar anymore. Or it could be a zip. The two lines running along the Sunbears' stomach, are they natural markings or cleverly hidden zips, concealing secrets? The zips on the bear is the best thing that's come out of this call for me,

from my point of view. I feel like that's putting me in a pretty strong position to win tomorrow at court. As speculation spirals, two sides prepared. for battle. You've got one thing and I've got at least eight. The prosecution insists that it's a person in disguise. The defence swears

it's just a misunderstood sum bear. All eyes turn to our parents, reluctant jury members in a trial that no one asked for. Coming up next on part two of human versus bear.

fellow lawyer, ladies and gentle man of the jury. We stand here virtually today, not merely to discuss a bear, but to unveil a bare-faced lie. Do you know what? If I couldn't say, I probably wouldn't stand on the edge of a cliff. It tells us there is clear motive and clear precedent for zoological trickery in China. I risk my case. Is there any evidence as to how high that ledge is?

Jesus Christ. What you're saying is they've never seen zips on a bear. That's the difference, those two-tenths of a second, the difference between truth and deception. Objection, sacking up to the jury. Objection, Your Honour. Objection. Is this a setup or is it actually happening? So I'm going to ask, do we have a unanimous verdict?

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