Who Trolled Amber? - In good faith | Deep Water Ep6

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

After weeks of chasing him, Lydia finally speaks to Vitomir Maričić, the Croatian freediver at the heart of the scandal – and he tells his side of the story.Subscribe to Observer+ on Apple Podcasts and Spotify to binge listen to the entire series on Tuesday 18th November.To find out more about The Observer:Subscribe to TheObserver+ on Apple Podcasts for early access and ad-free contentHead to our website observer.co.uk Reporter - Lydia Gard Producer - Gary Marshall. Music supervision and sound design - Karla PatellaSound design - Rowan BishopPodcast artwork - Lola Williams Fact checking - Poppy Bullard, Katie Gunning, Amalie Sortland, Madeleine Parr & Jess Swinburne Executive producer - Basia Cummings Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Observer I first approached Vitamir and Petar back in August before their video went viral. Vitamir's initial response is quick and positive. He's happy to speak. But he asks if I'm linked to the person who led a witch hunt against them. I assume he's talking about William Trubridge. Because apparently,

Liam has been contacting people in Vitamir's circle, and so have I. He says other reporting, other podcasts have been based on private interests, misinformation. And he says, if this is another brilliant idea to try and do damage to me or my team, we will not take part in it. And it will backfire to your credibility, just like the whole previous campaigns did. I explained to Vitamir that his voice is an important part of the story, that it will be an opportunity for him to address the rumours. allegations, and I mean it.

So, he says he'll give me the benefit of the doubt. I also email the other two Croatians who were implicated at Vertical Blue. Petar, who doesn't reply, and Sander, who says she's very happy to speak to anybody if it's not a dirty game behind the scenes. Meantime, I put out a post on Instagram, asking people in the community to talk to me, and Petter replies saying, I'm not part of this community. I'm Nidea Garde, and from Tortoise Investigates and The Observer, This is Deep Water, Episode 6, in Good Faith.

Hi, nice to finally meet you. Thank you for your time. I know that you've had a very, very busy season, lots of travel, lots of commitments. Yeah, normally it's not that busy, but it seems to get busier. every year. Vitamir has just woken up. When we finally get to speak and he turns his camera on, he's lying on his bed in a hotel in Tulum, Mexico.

He's there running a workshop. I'm in the studio in London. This call has been a long time coming and I'm relieved. I want to have the opportunity to put the allegations directly to Vitamir. Other people wanted to be an astronaut and I was like, boy, I was just like

to be a free driver and just free time. He tells me that it was his childhood dream to be a free diver. He grew up in a coastal town and hung out underwater for fun. He started when he was about four. He studied sports science and became a sports climber and instructor.

He understood how to train to gain an advantage. But yeah, life had other plans and I was much more involved. He was involved in many sports from mountain biking to highlining until a bicep injury meant that he couldn't climb. So he pivoted. So I said to myself,

Well, maybe this is a sign. I mean, free diving is like a sport for older people. It's not very intensive. It's not crazy, hard on your system. You're not going to break anything there. Maybe I should try that. And he identified a gap. And seeing that training methodologies are completely outdated

and not in line with modern sport principles. As a guy with a sport background, I was becoming super interested in seeing what I can do there and how I could help others maximise their potential. And it just kind of became something that consumed my life almost completely. This was around 2017. The big names in free diving at the time were William Trubridge and Alexei Maltanov. Back then, free diving was more of a lifestyle choice than a career path.

There was a lot of talk about equalization. That's the way we open our ears and the most common obstacle to depth progression. And diaphragm stretching. Not much emphasis on technique or strength and conditioning. It was very, very clear when I came into the sport that I looked differently, dive differently, and that there is something there that still performs well. He talks about speed, agility, power.

It's a new language for most free divers and one that a small handful adopt, but others shun in favour of the accepted norms. Before then, it was all meditation, breathwork and yoga. and it meant that the line between recreational and professional free diving was thin. Even now, with the greater understanding of training techniques, anyone can start diving and enter a world championship. There's no minimum depth or qualifying series.

It's open to all. So it's like a jungle. He talks about his accomplishments and successes in a way that's self-reverential. He's got a pillow tucked under one arm as he tells me that when he first jumped in a pool to try free diving, he knocked out a dive that would be a silver or bronze medal in a competition. I'm pretty sure that things will need to change if the sport will take a leap to the next level. I have a feeling that the sport is kind of ready to be launched into something much bigger. We talk about what that would look like, how the way we organise and run competitions

needs to be addressed, professionalised, how the International Olympics Committee need it to be a spectator sport in order for them to put money behind it. And right now, it's not. And I agree, but for very different reasons. I'm thinking about the viral video of Petar's accident and the message that sends out, how it brings down a massive iron curtain. I want to understand from your point of view

because obviously there was a huge furor around your video, it went pretty viral. What motivated you to post that video? I think it's a good video. I think Petter was more. motivated to post it. He asked me if I agree with it. I said, yeah, sure, why not? I think it could be a good clickbait. It could go viral outside of the community because it's just people like to see that in sports. People like to see Formula One crashes and knockouts and it's just something

people like to see. But also I see it as educational and I see it as something that's actually necessary to be talked about because these things happen and no matter how much we try to present that they don't they do and if you stick around free diving long enough and see enough competitions on a high level you will see that things happen all the time rules and the community is kind of shaped around hiding that rather than speaking about it which in my opinion is very wrong. This is not going to damage the sport in any way. It can only make it safer because we can understand things better. Vittamir believes that it's the competition rules that need to change, that penalizing a diver for suffering a blackout or squeeze by not

allowing them to continue in the competition means that divers hide their injuries, underplay them. Because everything is under the carpet. I think it's time that we start speaking about it so that we can actually create better protocols and procedures. And after that video, there was a lot of discussion about that. And I think some things have started changing for the better and for the safer environment. I agree with sharing information and sharing protocols and demonstrating that there's two sides to this. There's the beautiful dive and then there's a dive that goes wrong.

I mean, absolutely. The only thing I would say is like, I've got two teenage boys. and they've watched that video and apart from it being quite distressing to watch and them saying like please stop free diving to me I worried myself that it would normalise the idea that serious injuries

and accidents are just quite casual like it happened we got over it we moved on two weeks later we were banging out national records world records do you worry about how it might influence younger less experienced divers to just normalise lung squeezes no absolutely not

I don't see that I've never met anyone who wishes to have a lung squeeze never I only know people that wish to have less lung squeeze or to know more about lung squeeze or to know how to

manage lung squeeze if they happen to have one just like I've never seen anyone you know you see a mountain biker do a backflip and break his neck I don't see anyone normalizing that I don't see anyone normalizing crashes in Formula One, like, yeah, we're going to have

a crash next week, and no, it's not going to be normalized in that way. The reaction on the video was purely to create damage to ourselves personally. What do you think motivated this search in the first place? I really don't know. At first, we didn't really believe it. We really didn't believe it. I really thought it was a joke. We're talking about the bag search of Vertical Blue,

the moment this all came to the surface. Yeah, I have no idea what would motivate someone to go and do something like that. I think we're just very, very different people. Definitely there's the result that someone is clinging onto and the hardness of accepting that things, are changing that there's new people coming but still in my opinion creating something like that and going into so much wrongdoing it's just something out of my comprehension like we were literally lowered into a trap and it's ongoing it's not like it ended there's constantly

attempts to to harm us in any way i'm i have to say i'm impressed with these people's energy. And you've seen from my communication with you that I'm maybe even still concerned that this podcast is just an attempt to do the same. I'm still hoping it is not. Well, we're a very serious outfit. You know, the observer is a very longstanding,

well-established newspaper that, you know, at the end of the day, I am a free diver. I know about this story and this scandal. because I'm a free diver. But the reason I was motivated to start investigating the whole story was that I didn't feel that it had been properly told. I'd never heard your voices. I'd never seen both arguments laid out together.

Everything seemed to be from one side or the other. You never really made it your business to get to know those people. You never really flew in. You never really trained with us. You never really met us. You're just doing an interview. and the interview is going to be filtered and designed through our questions. So if you do have an agenda, you always can put it in that direction.

I could, but my agenda is to tell the truth and the truth has to... It's true that I haven't dived with Vitamir, Petar or Sander, but I have spoken to divers who've attended their training camps and been coached in their program. I know they spent hours in the gym. They lift heavy. They push hard and they party hard. That's just not how I dive.

I made a leap of trust in good faith to share my time and to do the story with you. So let's see where it goes. I appreciate that. Thank you. So back to post me... I can understand why Vitamir is uncomfortable with me coming to talk to him about this topic. There is a lot at stake.

His reputation and persona are crucial to his future success. He's a sponsored athlete, an ambassador and a competition organizer, a judge and a coach. And once your name is associated with doping, it's hard to get away from it. And let's face it, denial is the language of the innocent and the guilty. Yet, he tells me that along with the negative consequences,

there have been some positives too. The wider community, or everyone who looked at this from an outside perspective, very quickly understood, why is this happening, how is this happening, and that we are very much victims of this case. And we've had a lot of support from the people in the community. It's interesting.

Both Will Trubridge and Vitamir Marichich have told me that they came out of this well. And yet the comments made online and the conversation in the community suggest otherwise. They both call the other side a small group dismissing their intentions, vilifying each other. And it reminds me of the bullshit asymmetry principle that it's harder to disprove a lie than to create one. But some of this really is quite straightforward. I want to ask Vitamir directly what was actually in the luggage

and what, if anything, they're taking. Were you actually carrying those medications that he alleged you had in your luggage? I'm not sure. We never really counted the medication. We have a list of things that have been like advised for us to carry on a remote location like that

and we have always... I run through what was listed and Vitamere accepts that a water band substance was in the luggage. It does have in medical procedures and especially in severe lung squeezes. We have been lucky to have never used it because we never had such an emergency

that it was life-threatening to use but you never know. I mean, I've seen some pretty bad cases and I would never risk my health or anyone's health if I can help them. The reality is that somewhere remote, you would want to ensure that the right emergency medicine is on hand, especially if you're pushing hard and have a history of serious lung squeezes. You don't want to take chances.

And right now, Aida and Seamus don't have a unified set of rules about what a medic has to carry. Back to what Travis said, it's about the rules and who makes them. It's not inconceivable that the Ada medics wouldn't have had feroomide in their artillery. It's not the law to have it. And when I asked William Trubridge, he couldn't confirm if the medics at Vertical Blue did have it, only that he thought it was unlikely.

But when Will shared the photograph of the blister pack of the furosomide that you had, there was a pill missing, but you're saying you've never used them. You've never had to... The pills were gotten from a hospital, and those are research packs. so they have been used somewhere but not by us. The WADA rules stipulate that in situations of genuine medical emergency an athlete's health should never be compromised for anti-doping regulations and they are permitted to receive necessary treatment

using a prohibited substance or method. An athlete is then expected to apply for an emergency therapeutic use exemption or T-U-E for possession or use of a prohibited substance. I have asked Ada if that application was made, but have had no response. It's not really even about the organizer. I teach at the medical uni and I see how I'm prepared are pulmonologists or traumatologists for something free diving related. Because it's just not explored enough.

They don't have really access to it. They're not exposed to it. In football, there is a rising level of heart attacks, for example. because just the game elevated to death level that people's hearts are constantly stopping. Nothing changes for football. It's just becoming more and more popular, but now there's an ambulance that needs to be ready on every game

all the time there with a cardiologist. So the same thing for pre-diving as well. But currently, you have no idea who's going to come. There is no regulation on the level of the medic or exactly what gear or expertise he needs to have. have to be there. It doesn't even have to be a doctor. As a coach, he chooses to carry his own medical supplies to a competition, rather than take a punt on the organizer or the officiator providing the correct medical assistance in the case

of an emergency. I can understand that, especially given what Dr. Bezo Silver told me, about the amount of squeezes that occurred at Vertical Blue that year and how the medical team were unprepared for them. So I move on to the questions so many of the people I've spoken to have. asked me to put to him. Why all those benzos? Three brands, two types, diazepam and al-Prasolam, in varying strengths. 0.25 milligrams, 2 milligrams, 5 milligrams. And the benzodiazepines, obviously, that were present in the luggage, it's not doping, right? We know that that's not on the water list, it's not prohibited, therefore it's not doping. But there is a lot of anecdotal evidence to suggest they might be performance-enhancing, and we'll come to that in a minute, but

do you do you did you have them with you personally or did they belong to somebody else who you were sharing the luggage we we had them we had them and we used them for for like recovering from jetlight we found that as the most effective way to recover from jetline okay okay you don't need a tewee for those anyway right if they're not on the water list is that correct you do need a prescription for them but you don't need a and you had all the prescriptions and everything with you. Yeah and we of course William asked us like do we have prescription for the medication? We said yes if you need any clarification or anything on that just let us know so we can like show it or send it. Did you show it to him?

Never asked. Would you share it with us? They are shared in an article so you can read the article so all of this has been done and asked and yeah if you want I can't share it like Yeah, we can't ever rely on other journalists in their research because we have a big legal team checking everything that we say and do, then obviously if we say there's been a prescription, we need to have seen it ourselves. So if you don't mind, that would be great. I can look down. I followed this up by email, but he still hasn't shared the prescriptions with me.

I did ask three doctors, in principle, would anyone prescribe benzos for jet lag or recommend them for that use? All three said no. One GP, with a particular interest in sports science, explained that just having something sedating doesn't enable you to reset your circadian rhythm. And that, in the UK at least, it would be one medication at one dose, and then only two or three tablets worth. When I explained why I was asking, she was shocked.

She said, I look at what you do and what free diving is, the extremes of what the body and mind is capable of, So throwing in anything that's a synthetic agent on top of that, I just think it's quite frightening. Benzos obviously all cause respiratory depression. If you've got respiratory depression plus some sedation on top of that, your body isn't telling you to breathe, and then your mind's not telling you to breathe,

you could potentially get past the point of no return. It's plausible that all the benzos in the Croatian diver's luggage at Vertical Blue belong to one of them, or that they all have a valid man. medical reason and a prescription. And that's nobody's business but theirs. Though it seems to me that if there is a valid prescription to share, that could finally put the rumours to bed,

then it would be simpler just to share it. What do you say to the people who, even after looking at all of that and watching the whole thing play out and seeing that you haven't been done on any doping charges whatsoever, that still call you Opeta or Sander dopers? What do you say to them? I don't say anything. I mean, it's like if I called you out for being a thief,

what are you going to say to me? Is there really anything necessary to say to me? What grounds do I have to call you a thief? It's ridiculous. There's nothing to say. There's really nothing to say. I don't really waste my time on that. But do you see, if we take away the word doping because it's a technicality,

do you see performance-enhancing drugs that aren't on the list as cheating? Because I know you talk a lot about fair play and clean sports. I've read a lot of your posts. Would you say that taking any performance-enhancing drugs is cheating? I mean, it's a difficult topic. and I'm not sure if there is any real performance-enhancing drugs. I personally wouldn't like it. I personally wouldn't approve it.

But that's just because that's who I am. And I really enjoy in finding ways to make your body and performance better with different methodologists. However, if someone would find something, and that something would be legal in all aspects. I would be careful in judging them because it's not about them, it's about how rules are set. So I wouldn't jump to conclusions in calling everyone. Maybe someone is, maybe someone did find something that is really, really good and they're using it as a performance enhancer.

performance enhancer, and obviously they're not telling anyone. But if that's really legal, then it's the flaw of the system, not of the person exploiting that. To Travis Teigart's point, it's just athletes doing what athletes do, which is to try to gain an advantage in any way they think they can. And it's down to the sports rule setters to ensure that the rules encompass all things that are potentially performance enhancing or dangerous. I will never sacrifice my health for anything, like literally anything. I'm like not even

one percent of my health. And I guess the same goes for the people that you coach, right? I hope I can never know that. But I really, really hope that through coaching people, I also managed to transfer them the spirit of the sport as I see it. And that is to find motivation and something that you really love doing. And if you really, really love training and progressing, then you spend the whole year doing something that you love. As a coach to a lot of divers, I'm assuming, how many people do you coach? Currently, through our system, let's say a lot. I don't want to put out the number. But it's 20 plus.

Let's say. So if any one of those less experienced divers than you came along and said, oh, thank you of trying something, benzos, something, anything, performance enhancing. What would you say to them? It's a part now. And that's a rule that I have not only in free diving, but for the last 20 years. Like, first, I need to be clear on everything that anyone is taking because it's important for me to structure and to understand everything.

Second, if you're going to take something that I don't think is ethical, then we're not going to do business. I'm not judging anyone. So for me, it's a hard now. Always been and always will be. I've heard the voice note I've heard him tell a less experienced diver that if he wants to try benzos he can

why not, they're not illegal so I circle back and ask again more directly have you ever been offered benzodiazepines in a like a competition environment yeah there's people who have offered me benzodiazepines

And you've tried them in the competition environment? No, they didn't really want to try them. Generally, why would you risk something that you know is working? Like, why would you change something? So I, but I have been offered, yeah. And I know that people have been taking them. But I'm speaking strictly on pool. I've never really seen anyone offering or taking them in relation to that.

Because I have had it alleged to me that Petar has taken Benzos, I think it was Valium specifically, a couple of Valium on a deep dive in the Adriatic and that the person had spoken to you about it at the time. And you'd said, oh, don't worry, he does it face anxiety. I'm 100% sure that that didn't happen because I'm 100% sure that he would share that he would share with me because it's just it's not only a coaching friendship but it's also a safety concern and I think he knows that and I think I would be the first point of reference for that and I'm pretty sure that whoever made this up made it up very recently because I guess there is a group of people that is just trying to push this agenda so hard but this isn't recent

My source told the same story to another diver, long before the scandal broke. So this is my take on things. Of course, theoretically, it could be possible that, I don't know, everything has been hidden from me and I've never seen anything. But I think the chances for that are extremely minimal. Okay, so just to be 100% crystal clear, you've never taken benzodiazepins to do a dive pool or depth. And as far as you know, neither is better.

yeah I've asked directly he's answered no and the conversation starts to move on so when the bag search was publicized and Will shared everything online on YouTube on his website how did you respond to that

you just you asked me for a competitive in a competitive environment no but I have been testing I have tested once in a training environment after I've been offered it and after I've had some concerns

of seeing and hearing this for multiple people, I have tested it in a pool out of curiosity. I haven't seen any performance-enhancing elements. In fact, I had a feeling that my motivation and performance is decreased. And for me, this is a catch that refuses to release because I've read a report on the vertical blue case

on the diving website Deeper Blue. There, he's quoted denying ever having taken them. And I've also heard the voice note in which he says he has tried them in a competition and again in private. So which is it? And it was my first big competition. I had no clue about it.

And I was like, what the fuck? What he was going on and on? Take, take. You take. Everyone takes. You must take. It will definitely make better results. And I'm like, okay, can I take half at least?

And he only, yeah, at least take half. And I took half and I had a blackout and my dive was amazing. But all my dives on the computer are usually amazing. And then I was exploring after, I mean, I was an idiot, a complete idiot, to try something without testing it before in the World Championship, where I was definitely preparing a world record and was going for the gold medal. And I can't help but wonder, if it's not banned and not conclusive, performance-enhancing. If ethically and morally, you believe you're doing nothing wrong, then why lie?

We've been on the call for nearly two hours at this point. It's mid-morning in Tulum, late afternoon in London. But I have one area left to cover, and it's likely to be the most uncomfortable. I have to share their allegations against him to give him an opportunity to respond to them. So one source has told me, vitamin loves pills, and we'll take anything he finds useful. A really would the response necessary? Another said that they've witnessed Petar take six diazepam before a competition dive

where he had an underwater to blackout and that afterwards the two of you had a good laugh about it. Like, I really think a response is not necessary. If you take something, why would you take six? I've no idea. I've never taken one, so I wouldn't know. I think six would probably knock me out cold. Yeah, I mean, I definitely wouldn't laugh about it. I would be really worried about it.

But, yeah, I'm absolutely not aware of that. And we definitely didn't have a laugh about it. We could have a conversation about it, but it never happened. So, yeah, it doesn't. Is this the same story of the Valium story? No, no, different people. somebody also mentioned that you have bragged about having bars a pan for breakfast and that you have encouraged your students to try it

again i i really wish people would find um that that's so stupid that i would really feel embarrassed just saying that like even if something like that was true i put a number of other allegations to vitemir and his responses are much the same The conversation's over and we wrap up the call. As I sit down to write this final episode, I follow up with the other divers I've been trying to speak to. Petar chooses not to respond.

Instead, he copies and pastes my email and turns it into a reel on Instagram, insinuating that I'm not an independent journalist. Sanda calls me, with a similar message. She isn't willing to do an interview. But Talia Davidov wants to speak. she's the one who posted that blackout video I mentioned and she's coached by Vitamir.

She's just arrived home from the Bahamas. I'm at home too and it's raining in both places. She says she's happy to be a spokesperson for the group who are tired of the whole thing. So we dive straight in. Vito is one of the people he doesn't control anyone

but he's the person that you feel I feel incredibly safe in the water with. Well, I think that what a lot of people don't realize, and I think what a lot of people don't realize, that Vito, why Vito makes them so uncomfortable, is because Vito is not out there to make you feel good about yourself. That's not his job.

He doesn't care to do it. He's not someone for small talk. He's not like, hey, how are you? Vito doesn't even have inflection within his voice. We talk about the division in the community and agree that it's like a trench war with people throwing grenades and then sheltering. I think that's William's biggest problem is, or William Walid, that side of the crew somehow can't believe, they can't believe that Petar is better than William.

Therefore, they believe he had to have used something to get there. And I'm just like, go to a training camp, go to their training camp, and then you tell me that he used anything other than belligerent and hard work and rage to get as good as he has. and maybe that's not what people consider a good athlete, but he's had no choice. And once again, it circles back to the division in our community to just how polarized it's become. We've got confirmation bias, now we've got gatekeeping on what free diving is.

And I'm sorry, if free diving is sunset and fucking dolphins for you, I'm so happy for you. But just because that isn't what it is for me, doesn't make me wrong. everyone has to be defined in opposition to something

especially when you come into our world and then these new divers get thrust into one side or the other and then they're indoctrinated is I mean there's a documentary

of William from like early blue hole days where you're watching him have the gnarliest blackouts having like you know where everyone is saying to him like calm down, bro. You're wild. You're a cowboy. And there was a time where William was the person

in the free diving world represented as a cowboy. And I truly believe that in 10 years time, no one's going to have a bad thing to say about pets are in veto, because it's just going to be brushed over and sculpted out. And you think every community needs a villain? Every community needs a villain. at the end of that call and after months of this investigation my understanding of my sport and its issues has shifted I came into this thinking that it would be simple

they're either doping or they're not perhaps influenced by my own love of the sport for its peace and its serenity I imagine there was a kind of purity I could reach a clarity but I was naive the truth is more nuanced There's a legal definition of doping and a moral one.

It's about perspective. And as Talia said, maybe free diving was about sunsets and dolphins for me, and for them, it's clearly about something else, something I don't identify with. As I prepared to write these final episodes, a new scandal erupted in our small sport, another sign that all is not well, that this is a community at a crossroads. At the Seamass World Championships in Mitakas in September, there were three reported cases of decompression illness. That's when inert gases like nitrogen form bubbles in the blood. A Russian diver called Andrei Matvenko suffered a blackout after an attempted dive to 126 metres.

It led to severe neurological complications. Seamass stated that they acted in accordance with their safety protocols, but divers continue to ask. serious, urgent questions of the regulator. Three weeks later, at the Ada World Championships in Limassol, a line was set 10 metres too deep for a training dive. Luckily, the diver turned early, this time, but the same critical error had been made in a pre-competition in 2015 by the same organiser. That time, French diver Guillaume Neri attempted a world-record dive to 129 metres.

He unknowingly descended to 139 metres, resulting in a deep blackout and squeeze. He subsequently retired from competition. It's clear, the people who make the rules on our sport, the people who are meant to ensure the athlete's safety, they're failing. If I had my rose-tinted glasses on, I'd suggest that those rule-setters and the athletes at the top of the sport need to get out of the trenches, gather in a room, set aside their egos and agree on one way forward

to prioritise the safety and integrity of their sport because one thing's for sure. Dives will keep getting deeper. Risks will keep getting exponentially bigger and the sport, whether you look at it with fear or with reverence, will continue to grow. And my immediate hopes are this, that the people who are keen to establish themselves

as the heroes of our sport understand that they have a responsibility to prioritise safety over sponsorship, fairness over followers, and that the rest of us go gently into the ocean, because at 100 metres deep, the water won't distinguish between good and bad practice, truth or lies. It will just pull you down. Thank you for listening to Deepwater. It's reported by me, Lydia. Guard. The producer is Gary Marshall. Music supervision by Carla Patella. Sound design by Rowan Bishop. Podcast artwork by Lola Williams. Fact checking by Katie Gunning. And the executive producer is Bashar Cummings.

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