WHOA That's Good Podcast - Deleting My IG Made Me Realize I Had a Big Insecurity | Sadie Robertson Huff

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

Sadie is joined by Christian, Bella, and John Luke to remember the past year: best movie, best song, best book, and best pieces of advice on the podcast. Sadie shares how she hadn't realized how much of her identity was tied up in her Instagram account — until she decided to delete it! This leads to them all sharing about how their identity can so easily get tied up into what they do or how others view them — but if it's not rooted in Christ, it will always be an issue. John Luke tries to get Sadie and Christian to read his favorite books. And Bella's favorite book and movie might surprise you! This Episode of WHOA That's Good is Sponsored By: https://www.helixsleep.com/sadie — Get 20% off + 2 FREE pillows with any mattress purchase! https://drinkag1.com/whoa — Save $20 off your subscription OR $49 off when you sign up for a double subscription, plus a free Welcome Kit, bottle of D3K2, and 5 free travel packs! https://everylife.com — Get 10% off your first order when you use promo code WHOA at checkout! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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on the podcast. It's always fun to add some humor with Christian and my siblings. Last year, John Luke was like, do I have to listen to the podcast? I'm like, this makes it even better. So Bella and Julie may be thrown off by a few different ones, but we'll just banter on all the advice we've been given. Honestly, it's been such a great year of podcasting. I just want to say thank you again to everyone who has consistently listened to Woe That's Good. We hit 300 episodes this year. Over six and a half years of doing this podcast,

it has truly shaped me and to who I am. I know that it's helped a lot of you guys and thankful to go into another year, 2025 strong of podcasting, looking forward to a lot of conversations. But to start this episode off, I thought we would do a little recap of the fun things this year. So my first question, very easy,

what was your favorite movie that you saw this year? John Luke. Easy Wicked. Really? Easy. Wicked was my favorite movie of the year. Me and Sadie just saw it last night. It was fantastic.

It was good, but I'm surprised that that was your favorite. It was just casually good for you though? No, I mean it was good. I'm surprised it's a John Luke's favorite. Why? I mean, we saw Gliator 2 the same weekend I'm still so sad. I've not seen that yet. I tried to go last night, but Sadie Was attached to the hip with me to go see wicked gladiator 2 no wicked way better was way better than gladiator

Yeah, which is completely different what you thought that wicked was way better than gladiator 2 yes You didn't what is so funny. Are you crazy? Are you crazy? I like gladiator. I didn't think it was a bad movie But I thought wicked was way better of a movie And no wicked will win more awards to when they all came out at the same time wicked will win more awards though Thank glad I did too. Yeah. Yeah, okay, but this is really funny So the whole film was going to see Moana 2 yesterday, all of you guys, and then we had already seen Moana 2,

which that was absolutely incredible in my opinion. I really don't like all the bad reviews because I think people are just being unfair. You can't compare it to the first one because it's not the first one, it's the second one. It's not supposed to be better than the first one. It's supposed to be a follow-up. There is my hard take on that period.

I have some far as criticism of all Moana 3. No! Oh my gosh. I didn't like it that much either. It was okay. It was okay. But it was not in any way astounding. I was so confused that you never saw the villain

and then it was in the after credits. I was like, why did we never see the villain the whole time? I'm telling you now. Looks like Avengers with Thanos, the first Avengers. Let me first Avengers. Moana 3 is gonna be really good I think this entire movie was a setup for the next movie yeah so I think I have hopes for the next one but this one my criticism I thought the Chi-Hoo the Chahoo I thought that was the best song the best song of the soundtrack, and it was rated the worst song. I love that song. Can I get a, can I get a, shee-hoo. Come on, Moana.

None of the songs stuck out to me. That's crazy. I don't like those lyrics. That song slapped. I loved it, the whole scene of it too. Anyways, this really just shows that everybody has a different opinion. But anyways, y'all were all gonna see Moana,

we'd already seen it. So I was like, oh, perfect, we'll go see Wicked, because y'all had seen that. And then Christian was like, I'm gonna go see Gladiator So I was like, oh, perfect. We'll go see Wicked, because y'all had seen that. And then Christian was like, I'm going to go see Gladiator. I was like, no. So he was going to go into Gladiator by himself. And I was going to go to Wicked by myself. In all fairness, I thought that there

was going to be more people in the family that were going to go with you to go see Wicked. Yeah, but they had already seen it. I didn't know that. And I was like, I just don't want to see Wicked by myself. This is just too, like, you got to talk about it with someone. Well, our cousin went and saw it by herself last week, Caitlin. I mean, no shame for seeing it by myself. This is just too, like you gotta talk about it with someone, you know? Well, our cousin went and saw it by herself last week, Caitlin.

I mean, no shame. And she told me that she was the only person who clapped at the end of it. There's no shame for seeing a movie by yourself. I actually think it's fun to do that too. Christian loves to go see movies by himself. Yeah, you've never done it. I don't like doing that, but you like to do that. Yeah, I love going to movies by myself. I like to, like, I always wanted to talk about it with, but it was so funny because

Christian's never seen a Broadway musical or Wicked. So after the first song, he looks at me, he's like, what the heck? And then he Googles how long the movie is and he's like, has a slight panic attack cause it's like two hours. I didn't know it was almost three hours.

I know, Jacob didn't go and I'm like so glad cause he would have ruined the experience for me because he would not. No, but then he loved it. But he's never seen a Broadway musical either. I did think it was great. By the end, quote you, you said that was impressive. Well, I appreciate good cinematography. And I thought all the scenes, all the dancing scenes were very impressive.

It's good to win so many awards. It was great, but I thought Xydeo 2 was really good. So I agree with Wiggin was amazing. Bella, what was your favorite movie you saw this year? Well, we talked early about The Fall Guy. We loved The Fall Guy. It was such a good movie. I thought it was so funny and I loved the actors.

I thought it was great. And like, it made you feel good. And after when we got in the car, we listened to that song. What was the song? I can't remember. The main song in Fall Guy. It's like a classic. Yeah, I know which one you're talking about.

I can't think of it right now. I can hear the tune, but I can't think of the name of it Fall Guy, it's like a classic. Yeah, I know which one you're talking about. I can't think of it right now. I can hear the tune, but I can't think of the name of it. That was a funny movie date too, because we were at the Commons in Destin, Florida, and I wanted to take a little picture, so I like set up a selfie. Oh yeah? And then we went to Smile, and we got a ticket,

like a warning ticket for TikTokking in public. Yeah, it was real. I was not even doing, nor did I know it was illegal. It was one of the most embarrassing moments of my life. It was one of the most embarrassing of my Christian's life. Me being labeled as a TikTokker was atrocious.

You are a TikTokker. I am not a TikTokker. Sadie makes me be a TikTokker sometimes. That is not my identity, we're talking about, we're gonna talk about identity later. My favorite movie though was to see in the theaters. It was hard because honestly, we saw so many great movies, Wicked, Fall Guy. I actually loved Twister.

I wouldn't say it was my favorite, but it was a good movie, I thought. Okay, now this one's more serious, but truly one of my favorite movies I've ever seen in my life was Possumtrot, who we had on the podcast this year. And that movie marked me. Now this one's more serious, but truly one of my favorite movies I've ever seen in my life was Pawsome Truck, who we had on the podcast this year and that movie marked me. Like no joke, I think I cried from like 10 minutes into the end. So however long the movie is, you cried the whole time. I really did. I can't even talk to anybody after. I just had to leave.

What about you, man? That movie was fantastic. Um, this one, y'all have all said great movies. For me, I really loved the Wild Robot movie. And it was, so we didn't see it in theaters, but we saw it at the house. And it was me, Sadie Honeyhaven, and they all fell asleep the first like 45 minutes, and I finished the movie by myself. But it was just a sweet movie, had really good meaning.

Then you had us watch it back. And then I had us, yeah, then y'all fell asleep again and I finished it again the second time by myself. The third time. But the third time, it was very, it hit really hard the third time. It really did. That's so sweet. It's a sweet movie.

If you don't have kids, I think it's still a good movie. I think, I haven't watched it yet, but I think I'm gonna love that movie. It's really good. You are gonna love it. I already know I'm gonna love it, and I haven't seen it yet. It's a tearjerker. Honestly, everyone should that movie. It's really good. You are gonna love it. I already know I'm gonna love it, and I haven't seen it yet. It's a tear-jerker.

Honestly, everyone should watch it. It is very powerful. There's a lot of life lessons in that. But anywho, okay, favorite book you read this year? John Luke. Okay, this is a hard one for me, because I read a lot of really, really, really good books this year, So I'm gonna say two.

Why, why are you? He's not joking. No, I'm laughing because I know what Christian's gonna say. This is the hardest question for you. It's the easiest question for me. It's gonna be like, this is a hard one for me too because I read no books this year. So I was just thinking about the stark contrast

between you and Christian's answer to this question. Yeah, okay. I'm not laughing at you for reading that many books. I'm actually very impressed by you for doing that. It is very impressive. Yeah, what's your book count? Oh, like probably 30. But 30 of like books that are a thousand pages long.

Yeah, this year, let me just pull up my Goodreads here. So let me check. Okay, I've read 28 books. Oh my gosh. And I would say probably six of those were 1400-ish pages. If not. So you've read more this year than I've read my whole life.

Literally, me too. I know that actually for sure. I wonder if it would say how many pages. No, it doesn't say that yet. Well, while you're looking at it, I read no books this year, so I sadly don't have an answer. It's okay, babe. No books, zero books.

I've not read a single book this year. But did you start one? Just not finished? No, I didn No books. Zero books. I've not read a single book this year. But did you start one? Just not finished? No, I didn't even start a book. Well, I read a couple pages of that book that you got. But that's it. I've read the Bible a pretty good bit, but... Well, that's books.

No books other than that! I have not read anything. Accent change to lessen the tension. There is no shame because you've done other stuff though. That's so true. You do other things. That's so true. I just mostly read books.

Okay, okay, I've got, there's several, but I'll say two of them. Okay, the first one is a series, and I'm just gonna say to our listeners here, you're not gonna read this book, you're not gonna like this book. I'm gonna say your demographic is not this book. This series- This is not a book recommendation.

This is just what I read. This is not a recommendation for a book series. This is one that I loved and has changed my life when I finished it. So if that intrigues you at all. So, yes. If you're 30 years old plus male who is really into long,

complicated books. This is it. Yeah, you lost us. Yeah, it's called Melasen, okay? It's a 10 book series. The first book is like 800 pages and it's the shortest one in the series. It took me like three years to read the whole thing

and I finished it this year and it changed my life. My whole thinking of the whole world and how I see things, awesome. Is it a fantasy book? Fantasy book, yeah. Uh-huh, fantasy book. And I thought it was really interesting because it reminded me of the Bible,

which is kind of a weird thing to say. But I think if someone read that book and was not a Christian, I think they would enjoy reading the Bible. Wow. I think if you enjoy reading the Bible, I don't think you would enjoy that book. It doesn't work that way. I don't think it goes the other way, but I thought it was just so intriguing and like how they set up the life of these characters. And you like follow these characters over like 20 years and like their whole this like group of these characters. And you follow these characters over 20 years

and their whole group of people. That's cool. And they live and die and all these kinds of different things. That's actually really cool. Yeah, it's cool. Okay, if any of our listeners take on the challenge to start reading this, actually let us know, because that would be really cool.

Malazan Book of the Fallen, that's the series. What was your second favorite? Second favorite, this one is a recommendation, and Demon Copperhead. So it's called Demon Copperhead by Barbara Kingsolver. And she wrote the Poisonwood Bible, which I don't know if you've heard of that. Okay, Poisonwood Bible is one of my favorite books of all time. Anyone who even thinks they want to be a missionary or go overseas should read the Boys and Boy Bible.

It's not pro missionary, it's actually anti, but it will open your mind to what can happen and what can go wrong. And it's really fascinating as far as Christianity and how all of this. That's really cool. Demon Copperhead, similar thing. It's about a boy who grows up and goes into foster care

and just kind of has a rough life. It was just really fascinating. I listened to the audible and it was really good. But it made me think about, it was also set in Virginia, like an hour from where I lived. So I recognized all the names, places and everything. That's cool.

And it really like showed how terrible the foster care system is and really just like adults in general and how we in America like don't really take care of children very well. And it was sad and I laughed out loud and it was hopeful in the end. That's all the elements. It just says everything, yeah. Your reading is very inspiring. I think I laughed out loud reading it

and also shed it here while listening to it. Wow, that's a good book. That's awesome. Do you, I don't know how Goodreads works, but can people follow you? Yeah. Y'all should follow John Luke. Yeah, follow me on Goodreads.

As you can tell, he's an avid reader and it's very cool to hear, even if I don't read the books that he reads, it's really cool to hear his perspective on them and how it made him think about different things and it's very fascinating. So if you need, if you're on Goodreads, go follow John Luke. Also, the audiobook is basically Theo Von reading it. It's not Theo Von, but it's like if that accent, that's the character that is cast.

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on a healthier note, drinkag1.com slash woe. Bella, what about you? Okay, mine is a recommendation and it may seem like a book that you wouldn't want to read. Like, it may not sound super compelling if this isn't really your interest, but I think that it's really important for Christians to read.

But it's called Saving Leonardo, a Call to Resist the Secular Assault on Mind, Morals, and Meaning. Whoa. And it's all about just how secularism has taken over the world of art. So it kind of gives like a, there's one chapter that's literally called

Crash Course on Art and Worldview. It's by Nancy Piercy. She's like a theologian and philosopher. And she, I want to say she studied under Francis Schaeffer, who is an amazing author. If you haven't read his book, Art in the Bible or Escape from Reason, must read. They're like this big too, so they're super easy reads, but they're really good about just like art and worldview and how secularism is impacting our culture and impacting the art and how kind of the arts is impacting culture and the culture is impacting the arts

and how important it is that biblical art not cease to exist. So, secular assault, I mean, Saving Leonardo is a must read. Saving Leonardo. So inspired. Okay, I'm gonna read it. So, you know how y'all used to say

that I got 99% of the athletic ability and y'all split the one? Do you remember y'all used to say that in high school? Still true. Well, y'all got 99% of the athletic ability and y'all split the one. Do you remember y'all used to say that in high school? Well y'all got 99% of the like reading and academic skills and I got one. It's like y'all are so mom and I'm so dad. So I'm sitting here, I'm like, y'all read those books in your free time?

Oh my gosh. To be fair, I am writing something for school on this topic, so I was reading it for school. You're passionate about that, yeah. But, yes. Thanks for the grace to my baby. But still, I would have read it. I mean, it is amazing.

You're glad you had to read it. I'm so glad I did. Well, it was my topic that I chose, so yes. I'm using it as a resource for school. But that's cool. That's a good recommendation. I actually did not finish any books this year, that I chose, so yes, I'm using it as a resource for school. But it's so important. But that's cool, that's a good recommendation. I actually did not finish any books this year,

which is really sad because last year I finished 10, which was really big for me, but I didn't have social media. And so that really showed me, or that was the year before actually, man, I've been behind, because I was pregnant with Haven. No, that was last year.

I finished 10 books last year. But I was off with Haven. No, that was last year. I finished 10 books last year, but I was off social media a lot. So that really shows me when I'm off social media, I read, but like that's what I feel my time with. So I gotta get back into that because I started a lot of great books this year. Like the one that we're reading that you mentioned reading some of it, it is so good,

but it's talking about, it's called the Christian and Complete Armor. And I'm reading volume two. It's taking me a long time to read it because it's like every chapter, not even chapter, every paragraph is like so richly deep. So I keep like starting to read it and then I like start thinking about what that one thing said for a long time. It's kind of one you have to meditate on. But I also started reading the message version of the Bible, which has been really fun, because I feel like I obviously love to read the Bible, but sometimes I get stuck in the rut of like, oh, I've read that before.

But changing the translation, even though this is not like an official translation, it's more of a version, has like brought a fresh excitement. So that's been really fun. I've been really into the story of Jonah. John, we need to talk about that later. But I've been super into the story of Jonah. John, we need to talk about that later. But I've been super into the story of Jonah. And when I read it with the message version,

it just made me so excited about that story in a new way. So that was really cool. So even though I have not read any books this year, I can still give a recommendation. But The Coddling of the American Mind is a book that I always recommend to people. And it's just about how, if you look at the last couple of decades in our country, the more that you coddle something, the more likely it is to not really form certain resistances

to certain things, which I think is why we can be so polarizing, whether it's political climates of stuff or religion and those kind of things. So it talks about how the less that you resist something, maybe that you disagree with, the more likely you aren't even to like, the less likely that you are to even be interested in that viewpoint. So it's a very interesting book. So go check it out.

Yeah, you love that book. But I've not read anything this year. It's okay, next year. I have that book, but I haven't read it. So I'm glad you said that. Fantastic. Yeah, I brought that up. You'll be really interested in it.

Our recommendation. Okay, so I have two more favorites, but we are spending so much time on this. We also have a whole lot of this whole year's advice to give. But favorite song that, well, I guess it just had to be one you heard this year, but what was your favorite song this year? Okay. I can't really think of a favorite song.

And I don't really listen to music like that much because I'm usually like, I was in audiobooks. But my favorite artist of the year was Connor Price. He's got a lot of really good songs. He just did a collab with Maverick City Music. I saw that. The song is so good. It's so good. I think I listened to that song like 10 times

during my workout today. Yeah, I really like it. I listen to it every day. That's so cool. B? Mine was Made for More by Elo Worship. Well, the Elo Worship version by Josh Baldwin. And then I actually loved the song,

Thank You So Much Jesus. I love that song too. By Aiden King and King. That was good. Aiden King and Paul Klein. That was good. Loved that song. Yeah.

I love that. Mine was All of a Sudden, by Elevation. I love that song. Oh my gosh. I listened to that. Every time I woke up early this morning to like have my study time,

that was the first song I turned on because it was like on my YouTube recommendations. And then after it wasn't even on my top YouTube recommendations, I would like type it in because it was like, got my day started off so good. I love that song. And then I thought Ella Worship's Walk With You was so good this year, so powerful and made for more. I just's Walk With You was so good this year, so powerful, and Made For More.

I just thought that whole EP was so good and we listened to so much kid music on my phone, honestly, and I have them in the car most of the time, but they love Ella Worship, so that's really been fun because Honey and Haven actually love those songs. Yeah, I was gonna say Made For More by Josh Baldwin or the Conner Price song you're talking about, I Need Help or One Side of You by Ella Worship.

Good stuff. Those are my top three faves. Good stuff. Unlike John Luke, I listen to a ton of music. I don't ever read books. It's okay, next year you're going to. Snip, snap, snip, snap, snip, snap. I like the Walker Hayes collab though

with Conner Price, Smoke. That was my favorite. I heard that one. Is it good? It's good. It's funny. It's just funny. I'll have to listen. I haven't listened to a lot of his. It was funny though because I was like, I think it's just the season of life. I don't listen to a lot of music because so much of my car time is listening to kid music.

And as I said last year, it was hilarious. My Spotify thing, it was like me in the morning and me in the evening. That was how they did it. And they said me in the morning, and the morning song was shiny, and then me in the afternoon was scuttlebutt. Bella said my brain would fry. That's what I listened to. In the morning afternoon, I was like, yeah.

Bella's reading theological depression of Minded. Thank you. Depression of our country with secularism. Depression of our country. It wasn't depression. You get what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. Okay, last fun question and recommendation for the people listening.

What was your favorite meal you either made this year or ate this year? I have slim pickings on what I made. That's why I included the ore eight. That was for you. Well, it was my idea. You just happened to make it. The deer sausage with Alfredo pasta.

Yeah, that was good. That was my favorite meal. That was very good. And with all due respect, I did make it one time when you were gone. You did. But you used the freezer version. I made the soft homemade, thank you. Okay, I have one that I think we share,

but I think you may forget about it. And you can decide if you want to tell the full story or not. But the lasagna we had in Italy that we got seconds of. Oh, we have to share that. You had to say it. That was so funny. Okay, so when we were in Italy this summer, me and Sadie went to this restaurant. With our whole family. With our whole family.

And me and Sadie got something else. We like got something. We'd already ordered the lasagna somewhere else. So that night we got a different kind of pasta. So we got some other kind of pasta. And our brother Will got lasagna. Me and Sadie took a bite of his lasagna and we were like, oh my gosh.

We were like, this is the best thing we've ever eaten. And so we were like, we ate all of our meal and then we decided. Then we had dessert. Yeah, then we had dessert. And then we decided we couldn't in there. We had to order another lasagna. So we ordered another lasagna to take home.

But Sadie could not own up to the fact that she was going to eat a second meal. She told the waiter that we had someone at home that we were bringing this lasagna too. And it was for us. We have somebody waiting back in the room. I was thinking we need to make up our words. She said, it's her future self. Could you imagine if you... It was funny. He said, Will said, you got nobody waiting in the room.

I said, I got my future self back in the room. So we got home and we ate the lasagna the second we walked in the door. That was so funny. Which actually dad was, but I wasn't bringing it to him. That was the best meal. I have no regrets about ordering a second meal. I do regret lying, but it was funny. We cried laughing. We were laughing so hard.

The guy was like, okay, and then everyone looked at us like, who are you bringing this to? That came to me quite a set in my future. That is so funny. And it was so good. Doesn't matter at all. I know, my future. That is so funny. And it was so good. It doesn't matter at all? I know, it doesn't matter. Why do I do it? The waiter would never have cared that we were eating it again.

Can you not be listening to this episode? Yeah, that Italian waiter was like, she lied to me. I knew it was for her. Well, yeah, that, okay, yes, that was the favorite meal I ate this year, for sure. It tasted better. Even ordered it to go because it was so funny, the whole memory. It was so good. Okay, yes, that was the favorite meal I ate this year for sure tasted better Even ordered it to go because it was so funny the whole memory My other favorite thing I made this year was I learned to make dad's french fries And I was really happy about that because one just carrying on a tradition from dad and two

They're really good. So I'm glad to know how to do that now and Mary Kate started doing it too Yeah They're really good. So I'm glad to know how to do that now. And Mary Kate started doing it too. Yeah. I don't have like a specific favorite, just a big shout out to Mary Kate cause she's cooked most of the meals this year. And she started making the fries, which have been awesome. She made an Alfredo thing this year that was really good. She's been mostly cooking.

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plus two free pillows. Let's move on to some of the advice that we've gotten on this podcast this year, which y'all we have gotten so much good advice. Like truly always say this, I'm a better person because of this podcast, because I get to listen to all these incredible conversations that people have,

so much of their advice, so many books people have written. It's incredible. But I'm gonna throw it back to just some of the ones that have stuck out to me. At the beginning of this year, I had a friend on, her name's Dee Kisser, and she's amazing. She's actually been on twice, and she came on to tell a really cool God story.

But one of her best pieces of advice was not to make your identity around what you do because at the time she was like a Paralympic athlete and ended up not getting to compete that year and just realized how much her identity was really wrapped around her being an athlete. Which I wanted to bring that back up because I think that is so common for so many people to just accidentally let your identity slip into what you do. And I really kind of came to terms with that in my own life earlier this year because, like I mentioned, a couple years ago I took time off social media and, you know, it wasn't didn't really affect me that much in any negative way.

It was only positive because I was having a baby that year. I was focused on a lot of things, but then I wanted to take time off this year. And it was interesting, just in a new season, I realized how I had so many fears around deleting it, which was just weird, because I don't feel like I did as much the first time, but I had so many fears around it.

Like, I guess I just didn't realize how much I had let parts of my social media account become just too valuable to me. And like even a sense of my identity thinking like, am I worth as much to people to come speak at their conference if I don't have like a large following to promote it? Is it really because of like, they believe that my message is powerful or do they think that I can just like bring a crowd? I know that's like silly but those were like deep insecurities I didn't realize I had or had let that become a part of my

identity until I took it away and I think that's the thing with like letting what you do become your identity it's never like I don't think it's ever like an intentional thing that you do I think it's kind of like a slippery slip where if you're not like rooting yourself in Christ or rooting yourselves in truly who you are, then you accidentally attach outward things to who you are and the value of who you are. And it's not until those things are taken away that you realize the impact that it has. And so that's what made me realize I do need to take it away to really get back to a healthy spot with it.

And it's one of those things where if you were to say to me before deleting that, do you think your identity is in your social media? I'd be like, no, not at all. I don't care. But then, like, when it came to it, I was like, oh, I guess I do because I immediately went to the fear of man. What are my partnerships going to think? What is an agency going to think? What are people on social media? Am I gonna be irrelevant when I come back? And like all these insecurities

that I would not have guessed I had, had it not been taken. And so I think, you know, not everybody has the opportunity to like delete social media because that's not your thing. Maybe it's wrapped up in like a job that's a good job, but you've just gotten into an unhealthy place with, or a sport that's a good sport and a good thing.

But so it's not like you just get out of it. It's not like you just quit. But I do think you need to get a healthy viewpoint in it. So that was my own personal experience of that. But does anybody else have a time in your life that you felt like your identity got attached to what you were doing? Yeah, actually, so for me, it was Camp Chioka. So I run Camp Chioka.

It's a summer camp, like Christian summer camp for kids. And I started as like full-time director at the end of 2018. So 2018, 2019 summers. And I was like, this is like, I am like the camp guy. And like threw my everything into it. Everyone knew me as that. Like that was my whole thing and then COVID happened and then it was like at the time we had to close down and it was like are we ever gonna open back up like what is this gonna look like and

it really like shook me to my core because it was like I've put my whole took me to my core because it was like I've put my whole life and identity and everything into this thing that now I don't even know if it's going to be here next year, you know? And so it took a long time to like understand how my identity was wrapped up in that and to like free myself from the pressure I was putting on myself to like make this thing happen. Yeah. And now looking back, I realize like this past year with camp, I was such a better camp director.

I thought I did better. I feel like everyone like just, you know, comments people said, I feel like I was such a better camp director because I, comments people said, I felt like I was such a better camp director because I, it wasn't, I didn't have the pressure to perform anymore. It was just like, I could just naturally be myself, do what I think is right for the camp

and for every, for myself and for what I'm doing with a lot more freedom. Whereas before when it was wrapped in my identity, if there was was a failure, it was on you. It was on me. I would take it personally. Yeah, that is so true. That's so good.

And to the point of COVID stripped it away. So you had another choice, but to be away from it, but then you came back stronger because you worked on yourself. Right. Bella, did you have something to add to that? Yeah, I was gonna say, I have totally experienced that too.

And I think for me, it's still been a lot of my identity gets wrapped up in what I accomplish. For me, I'm just such a goals person. I wanna graduate undergrad. Now I wanna graduate grad school. I wanted to go to Oxford. And so I have all these different things I want to do. And while I'm working towards that thing, it's all about my whole life and identity is

focused on working towards the next goal you know and then when it gets to be too much or if I'm too stressed it's like it all comes back on me like oh my gosh like my identity feels like it's going away if like I make a bad grade and like that's just what like is important to me is like You know finishing grad school on time or finishing undergrad early or whatever and all these goals that I've set for myself that no one's Setting for me or no one's making me do but sometimes it can feel like my whole identity is wrapped up in like Doing what I said I was gonna do. Yeah, and sometimes I could just be like So laser focused on what I wanna do

and not as much like, you know, what really is happening in my life and like reality of like what God has for me. Sometimes like, you know, things come up that you don't expect and you have to pivot, you have to change or like God put something in your lap or like a door opens that you need to walk through. But like, if I said I was gonna do this,

then sometimes I can get so sidetracked on like, I don't wanna pivot, I don't wanna change my plan. Like my plan was to do this. And so I can totally relate to that. That makes me think of another piece of advice we got from Joyce Meyer. And she said, only a fool thinks they can always do what they've always done.

And her point was, sometimes you think, oh, because I've always done this, I can just always do this. But you can't just keep always doing the same thing because say, like for a mom, for example, I'm working, working, working, and then I have a baby. And it's like, if I don't stop and I keep working at the same pace

I was just working and added a baby, then something's gonna fall. Something's gonna, you have a baby. And it's like, if I don't stop and I keep working at the same pace I was just working and added a baby, then like something's gonna fall. Something's, like you have to adjust, you know? And sometimes we do that with our plants. Like we have to do this, we have to do this. And it's like life happens sometimes where you need to readjust.

You need to sit back and be like, maybe this isn't smart in this season. Maybe I need to slow down, but because of our goals or our identity wrapped into it, we like bulldozed through it. And then that's when you end up like, burnt burnt out or you end up just being like taking on more than you can bear or not finding the joy and getting to accomplish the things. Like, you know, you did it, but did you have joy in it? Did you really learn from it? Did you experience it? And it makes me think of one

more thing too. Matt Chandler said this year, he said, if you would just orient your life around loving Jesus and the best version of yourself will come to life. So instead of sharpening skills and gifts, which is still a good thing, but ultimately, if your heart is fully alive in Jesus, is when you're going to be the best version of you, the best dad, the best preacher, the best friend,

the best husband. I thought that was really good. It's like, if you focus on trying to do the skills and stuff, then you might lose the joy in it. But if you focus on trying to do like the skills and stuff, then you might like lose the joy in it But if you focus on loving Jesus and being the best version of yourself in that then the other things will come naturally and follow It's like when you went back into camp and weren't focusing on like your performance and your pressure But just like your love for the Lord your love for people Then your performance actually got better and you enjoyed it more because you didn't have that pressure,

which I thought was just really good advice. Christian, do you have anything? No, that was really good. I love that Matt Chandler quote. I feel like for me, and this might not really make any sense, but I feel like for most of my life, I've never really had like the self,

like intro perspective of like finding my identity or something in like a way, like throughout high school, I guess I played baseball, but I'd never like was like, internally was like, I'm finding my identity in this, you know, then like post college, I just, cause I kind of hit the same wall with whenever COVID hit of like graduating and kind of figure out what I was gonna do.

But I feel like I never was like thinking, I was finding my identity in college the last couple of years. So I don't know, I don't really know what I'm trying to say other than like I've had moments of, yeah, I feel like people maybe trying to label you as something and I can feel like sometimes I've found my identity and like working out and being in good shape. But I don't, I just don't think about that more than I do

of like, just follow me Jesus or like- I feel like it's one of those things again, where it's like, if you take it away, like you would probably realize, oh man, like this is hard, you know? If you're not constantly like in the word or rooting yourself in Christ, like with your workout stuff, you know, if you're not constantly like in the Word or rooting yourself in Christ, like with your workout stuff, you know, like sometimes you'll take a week off and it's like

a challenge for you, but you do it because like, I feel like you're, you're keeping yourself in the right place with it. So would you equate like, I like idolizing something would be the same thing as like finding your identity in something? Well, I think it's like, for instance, and not that you put this on yourself, but because so many people know you as the fitness guy and talk about you being so strong and stuff like that. If something happened, you weren't able to work out. You twisted your ankle.

You'd probably still work out if you twisted your ankle. You pulled your ACL. You had to have surgery. And you had a surgery, like, and you got a little bit out of shape. I think that's when you realize, like, if your identity was attached to it or not, based off like how you cope with your view of yourself without that thing being so prominent in your life.

You know? I just feel like I always have so many thoughts going through my head, like, finding my identity in something is usually like like not one that I'm like overly thinking about I think that's the thing like I'm nothing about that either But you don't think about it till it's taken away typically, you know Like yeah, I would not have thought my identity was wrapped up in social media all because to be honest Comparatively to a lot of influencers on social media

I don't put it that high on the list. I'm not really on my phone all the time. The only social media I even really look at is Instagram. More than half the time, don't you have TikTok downloaded? More than half the time, I actually don't have Twitter X or anything like that. I randomly get on my private Facebook

to post a photo dump for my friends. So I would not have thought that until all of a sudden I take it away and I'm like, ooh, what is that insecurity? Like, why do I think I'm gonna be less valuable to people because I don't have that to offer? And then not that like my whole identity was wrapped in it, but it just made me realize I find some sense of comfort

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It's more attached to like, what would someone think if I didn't have a good grade or what would someone think if I was late or if I graduated later than I said I would or what would someone think if I was late, or if I graduated later than I said I would, or what would someone think if I didn't graduate, or something like that, I don't know. I agree, it's more of the fear of man. It's like, why am I insecure about what someone would think with me not having that? I think it's not just the fear of man,

but your view on who fails if something fails. Like, if I took a test and I failed, if my identity was wrapped up in the test, I might say, like, I failed the test or my business didn't make it, like, it failed. But if my identity is wrapped up into it, I would say, I wouldn't say I failed the test. I would say I'm a failure. Yeah, I'm a failure. I am a failure. Failing that means I am a failure.

Not like, okay, I failed that, I need to work harder, I can do this, it doesn't crush me. I don't think I'm a failure. I might think, oh, overall, I know I'm gonna finish. I can still be confident in myself, even in mistakes. Whereas if your identity is wrapped into it, whenever the external thing fails, you also fail. Like your confidence is shot because you're wrapped up

in accomplishing that goal or not. That's so true. You feel like that's newer language though? Like, cause I feel like if you were to talk to like Mammal Joe, I don't know if she would be like, I found my identity and you know. Well I think people in older generations would also admit like you find your identity in being a mom, you know?

Like if your kids don't do the right thing, then you feel like I'm a failure as a mom. And sometimes that's not true. If sometimes like your kids have to make their own decisions too. So you do the best you can. But I do think that, I mean, we'll have to ask too, Mama. Sometimes there are generational things.

I think new age things are like when we talk about burnout and stuff like that. My mom, Joe Witness said that, because you wouldn't even consider that. You can't think like that. They're in a war. You have to do what you have to do for your country, for your family, for your people.

They, I think, are a little bit more, they weren't as in touch with their feelings as much as we are, as much as we talk about them, because it's so advocated now to talk about it. Counseling is such a big thing. Sharing your emotions, all of those different things. But I do think identity is like a lifelong thing. I mean, we talk about identity in the Bible, you know,

about like- No, no, I'm just meaning like this, the term like finding my identity in this, like it seems like a newer phrase kind of thing. Cause I don't know- I don't feel like that with identity, but that's interesting. Well, cause I feel like in a way,

I try to separate like idolizing something versus like finding my identity in it. Cause I think, I think, you know, like in a way I try to separate idolizing something versus finding my identity in it. So I think, like all of us, I think we all struggle with idolizing something, whether it's followers or something financial or parenting, because all that means is just thinking of something more than God. So I feel like sometimes I think about that, but then it flips out of the coin. And I feel like I think of the idolizing part more than like, am I finding my identity in

this? Like, I feel like sometimes I can idolize fitness, but I don't necessarily equate that to like finding my identity in it. If that makes sense. I don't know. I think that's good. Yeah, I don't know. I think that's good. I think they can be synonymous. Yeah, I don't think they're synonymous, but I think you might just be right. You might just not struggle with it. You might just not struggle with it. Yeah, and I think that's good.

Yeah. I think it's an interesting thing that you might just, I mean, you might just not struggle with it, and that's amazing, but it might be one of those things where you haven't not been the fitness guy. So it's like, if you, again, for you, you would never not be because you love that and you're disciplined and that is what you love.

But if no one ever complimented you ever again on your fitness or your strength or anything like that, would it bother you? Those would be the questions that you ask yourself. I don't think. But then you must be really strong in it. You are strong in your identity, because I remember when we got married,

and someone said to you, you don't want your identity to be Sadie Robertson's husband, and it really bothered you. And you were like, it's not. That's not my identity. And I feel like it really wasn't to you, it didn't bother you. But to some people, that might have been hard,

but you are secure in who you are. Yeah, I feel like they can be synonymous. I just feel like I try to like just group them differently. I've like, sometimes I idolize this, but it's like, I just don't feel like it goes as far to be in like, I find my identity in it. I don't know, it's- Well, I think they can be synonymous

and they can't, and they cannot be for some people. Like for me, I think that I can find my identity in academics because I idolize having that. You know, it's like, it's certain. It's a goal that I want to get to. Yeah. And I idolize that goal. So therein, I find my identity in it because that's the goal I idolize. This episode is brought to you by Dyson On Track. Dyson On Track headphones offer best in class noise cancellation and an enhanced sound range,

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I think like for me with Camp, like I was saying before, when Camp was closing, it was like, I am closing. It was like, what? I have no, I'm just staring into the abyss. I have no direction, no future. Like everything is in camp. Whereas now, if COVID happened again, or something happened, camp shut down tomorrow,

I would be sad, but I would say- Take away from me. It wouldn't take away from me. I would say like, OK, I did everything. I can keep going. We'll do something else. It doesn't affect my confidence myself, because I don't find my identity in that anymore. I think that's really good.

I think for me, it's not as big as, I think when you think about identity, you think about that's all encompassing as to who you are. That's not what I mean by even social media. It hadn't taken over. It hadn't become that bit. It was just a heart check of like, that's too much value. But also I think it's like if you strip it all away and you walk into a room, no one

knows who you are. No one knows any accomplishments you've ever done. Are you confident to stand there as you are in Christ and just be? I think we all should be at a place in our life or seek to be a place where yes, we don't need anyone to know what we've done. You don't need anyone to know even your name, other than you're a human that loves them. So it's like just taking away anything that you've done, becoming a part of who you are, and needing anyone to know that. And I think And I think in yourself, like you don't, if people see it or not, I mean like with Bella,

like with your academics and studies, like people may never know anything about you, but you still want to accomplish it in your own heart. And so it doesn't just have to be external, it can also be within you. I think that's so true, because to all of these things, fitness, doing social things, all of the academics camp, it's what we love.

So yes, that decision comes into it because it's what we genuinely love, it's what we do, it's what we spend time doing, but it's like just, so yes, keep it in a healthy spot. That just can't become who you are, what you depend on, or what you need people to know about you. I think that became a deep identity talk. That was good.

Good identity talk. I did preach a message on passion about identity too, a couple of years ago, what was that, 2021? That might be a helpful resource for people to walk through identity. Yeah, which is something, I just feel like sometimes there's things you can idolize that it's not like you're putting your identity in it.

So I don't know. I just feel like there's nuances in it. Well, this generation definitely does attach a lot of things to their identity. So that was a really good talk. OK, y'all, we went so deep on identity that that took up most of our time. But I will say, just a couple more great quotes

from the year. Jess Connelly was one of my favorite podcasts. And actually, so cool, because probably one of the most shared podcasts of this year, besides Joyce Meyer, was a really one that was shared a lot. A couple ones of my family were shared a lot. But Jess Connolly's was so good and continued to be something people shared for months after.

But her advice at the beginning was really good. It was about not using a different voice to pray to God. Like, don't use a sweet Jesus voice. She said, just talk. But the end was so good, because she talked about a piece of advice that she had just held onto. And it was basically, take yourself out of the running. And she said, in her mind, she always

had this sense to compete, but not trying to. She just did. It's like, you always kind of want to be the best at something. And she was talking about when it comes to parenting, especially with social media parenting, you have to have the cutest outfits for your kids, and the lunches have to be perfect,

and you got to do the book that everyone said, and the sleep schedule, and all this stuff. And she said she was putting so much pressure on herself to do all these things in motherhood, to do all these things in her work, to accomplish all these things for other people. And then she said, finally, I just said, I'm taking myself out of the running.

I'm not gonna make the best of the best lunches, and they're not always gonna be like animals. I'm not going to be the crossfit person who can do a pull-up. Not that I'm not gonna work hard and strive to be great with the thing that the Lord gave me, but I'm taking myself out of the running to have to be the best.

And I thought that was really good advice, especially for women, I feel like, who tend to want to compete or think that direction. That was so good and has stuck with me. Let me see if there's any others that I want to pull out real fast. Christian, how did you like having your brother Chance on the podcast this year? I loved having him on the podcast.

I thought it was a lot of fun to do together. He was more vulnerable than I thought he was going to be. He was awesome. That was really cool. We were giving him such a hard time for not having a best piece of advice and he dropped a bomb at the very end. He did. It was so deep.

It made me, it still confused me for a long time after. As you can tell, I'm not the deepest theological thinker. What did Chance say? Let me go find out. There's something about chains clinking. Okay, let me say, the chains of habit are too weak to be felt until they are too strong to be broken. And he straight quoted that from his mind.

Whoa. In the moment. His own quote? No, it straight quoted that from his mind. So in the moment. In his own quote? No, it was a quote from a book. So in the moment, I'm trying to decipher what that means. That was good. It's great, but it's worded in a way that's clearly by someone who's super smart. It was theologian.

So we had advice like that all the way to Uncle Allen saying, don't compliment bad cooking, because if you do, you'll eat it for the rest of your life, which actually is really good advice. That is what I love about this podcast, is just good advice. Sometimes it's deep enough to change your life, and sometimes it's just like, hey,

this will make your life better. Sometimes it's shallow enough to change your life as well. That's true. Well, that's good. Another win this year was I've always wanted Priscilla Shire to come on the podcast, because I've personally learned from her so much, and we finally had her on this year was I've always wanted Priscilla Shire to come on the podcast because I've personally learned from her so much and we finally had her on this year and her best piece of advice was so good.

She said, you cannot do a thousand things to the glory of God, but you can do one or two. And I thought that was really good because like so often, you know, you want to do like a thousand things, kind of take yourself out of the running. It's like, okay, what did God call me to do and how can I prioritize those things? I thought that was so great. And then also one of an epic podcast moment was Letitia Wright coming on the podcast,

the Black Panther. And she said, keep your focus on God no matter what, which was really cool. Just coming from someone who's like literally at the height of their acting career and Marvel character back to not making something your identity, but to keep your focus on God the whole time is really cool.

And you could see that through her life and the way she lived. So, so much good advice, so many great episodes. It was seriously so fun to dive into all of this this year. And I can't wait again for next year. Also, it was so fun to meet so many of you. Everywhere we go, we hear people come up to us and say, we listened to the podcast or this episode

really inspired me, this episode really inspired me. And that is like our favorite thing ever. I love whenever you guys come up to me and tell me that you're listening to the podcast, even ideas that you guys have sent in this year that have led to the conversations we've had. Like this podcast is for this community, for us to learn and to grow,

and to grow close to our relationship with the Lord and with each other through good advice. And so thank y'all for listening. Thank you for making this year amazing. Let's go have another incredible, whoa, that's good year in 2025. you