WHOA That's Good Podcast - Finding Faith Beyond My Family | Sadie & Christian Huff | Priscilla, JC & Jackson Shirer

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

Sadie and Christian sit down with Priscilla Shirer and her sons, JC and Jackson, for an honest and encouraging conversation about faith, family legacy, and the pressure that can come with growing up in a well-known Christian home. Jackson and JC open up about learning to find God for themselves, stepping into their own callings, and realizing legacy can be a blessing without becoming a burden. Priscilla shares so much wisdom for parents, including how to love your kids with grace, hold a standard, and trust God with the parts of their stories you can’t control. This Episode of WHOA That's Good is Sponsored By: https://fastgrowingtrees.com — Get 20% off your first purchase when you use the code WHOA at checkout! https://gominno.com — Get your first month FREE when you use code WHOA at sign up! https://drinklmnt.com/whoa — Get a free 8-count Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular drink mix flavors with any purchase - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh, yeah. And it was like so last minute and y'all just jumped in. For real, for you. I know, right? No. It's a blessing to be here. Jackson was sitting over there. I was like, you don't do it?

He's like, sure. This is awesome. I love it. But for real, what a treat. I've learned so much from the way that you're just a mom to your family, Priscilla. And so the fact that like the boys are here and we're getting the full inside scoop. I said this might be a little unhinged. And that's what we love.

Oh, yeah. And you're like, yeah, no, for real. You don't even know. Okay, so since it's unhinged, I'm going to put everybody on the spot. I'll do it. Okay, because normally we prepare people for this question, but y'all aren't prepared at all, which is going to be hilarious. So you're just got to think of the first thing that comes to your mind. I'm very scared right now.

The question I ask everyone who comes on this podcast is what's the best piece of advice you've ever been given. Now, you have a softball right here. Your mom's in the middle. But it doesn't have to be something your mom said if it's not. But think of some good advice. advice that has helped shape the men that you are? Wow. That's, I mean, yeah, right on the spot.

I see why you give it to people beforehand. You need to answer it from my perspective and then that'll give you all time to think? No. No, for me, the best advice I've been given. Yes, I'll tell you. I'm going to answer for me. I was like, no. No.

Piece of advice I was given when I was about 19 years old is what would you do, meaning in terms of career, job, ministry, whatever, what would you do if you were not getting paid to do it. So if you have options in front of you, filter it through, what would you choose if money was not a factor? That question that someone much older than me sort of gave to me when I was 19 as a barometer and a gauge, I have literally asked myself that question for the past 30 years. And it has been a major filter for determining my value points with yeses and knows. Oh, that is great. That's so good. So many people ask me that question. question like how do you know what to say yes to and no would say no to but what a great

yeah and of course there are other filters in there but that's that's one of the main ones that's great if you weren't getting paid i love that that's so good yeah that's good okay i thought of one and so there's two things that people have told me i promise i'm not just saying this one because she's right here it actually is entailed in the bigger picture so my uncle he always told me proper preparation prevents poor performance like the five piece i even have a tattoo of it on my wrist And then my mom said one time, she was like, the people deserve nothing but your best and God deserves nothing but your best. And so it all kind of wraps up in this thing because I can so easily just rely on my ability to produce in order to carry me through whatever situation that I'm in

instead of preparing and actually taking the time to make something as good as I possibly can to present it as well as I can. It's great. So I'm just riding the coattails of gifts and talents. And so I think some of the best advice that I've been given, and this has been in the last like two, years is prepare properly, you know, like people and God deserve nothing but your best, even if nobody else recognizes that it would have been different. Like, you have to do everything that you can do in order to give people what they deserve, what God deserves for what everything is. And so that's probably the best advice that I've been given in a while. Thanks, Ma, I appreciate that. Really good. I love that. I love that so much. I think about that sometimes, like, when you came in,

I was like, prepare my notes. You don't need notes. But I love because it's like, even if I don't go in with it or even I don't, it's like you're preparing your heart in such a way that it's like no one else would know the time you put into saying that one sentence, but like you felt like it was from the Lord. And so whenever it comes, you're like, okay, God. And then whenever someone says, hey, when you said that one thing, it's like, man, God, thank you that you gave me that in that moment of preparation. It builds your faith, you know? So that's super cool. I love that. Jackson, you got one? I got one. And it may be so cliche to say this, but for me, it is hard work beats talent. And the reason I have to say that is because I've realized that throughout the

entirety of my life. When I was playing football and when I was able to go to college, I went there based off of my talent. I didn't go there based off of my hard work because I didn't work as hard as I could have in high school. When I got to college, I saw the work that the guys were putting in. I saw the effort that the guys were putting in, not just for football, but in all the areas of their life. And it went back to football. And so just being able to see that and spend time with those guys, it allowed me to see that words aren't just words, but once you use these words and make it action, it actually helps you out in the long run. So at least for me, man, even though that may be a little cliche to say that and everybody hears that. No, it's not

cliche. Cleshies are cliche for a reason. I guess you've taken that mantra and that's what you're teaching all the people you're training. No, 100%. 100%. Hard work beats talent. Yeah, like you're talented at one thing. Of course, talent can only take you. to a certain ceiling. But if you continue to work hard on top of that talent, you're way past that ceiling. Very good. It's so good.

It's so cool because the reason I love asking that question is you really can see how it shapes people. It's like that one thing that you were given and you can see how that really has shaped the way that you train other people, the way that you prepare for doing y'all's podcasts, the way that all the things that y'all do, I mean, thinking about the ministry moments

that you've probably gone back to that one thing at 19. Like, it's awesome to see how words really can begin to shape us if they aren't just words to you. I'm so interested. I feel like, Christian, we were talking about that this morning, because we were listening to some of y'all's podcast, by the way, pause for a huge shout-out,

full-fledged podcast. If you're not listening, you need to be listening. It's so good. I have learned a lot from it because I'm always interested to see how Priscilla has been a mom, you know, in ministry, because that's where we're at right now. And then just seeing the type of men that you guys are

is, like, super inspiring. But also, like, you, I mean, you are like a preacher, Like, you have so many. No, seriously, it's true. He's like, okay. Okay, let me just say this. Thank you for the compliments. It's true.

Preacher and pastor have a really weird effect on me for some odd reason. I don't know what it is. I just love talking about God. So you're an evangelist. There's no pressure in that. Evangelist. Do you feel like that there's just because of your grandfather is or whatever? You just feel like there's that.

this expectation and you feel like, oh my gosh, can I just be free of the expectation? It's just kind of like, and this is literally, I know you have questions. I'm so sorry. Last episode, just called me an apostle. That was a new one. I don't know where that came from. But I don't know. I just feel like I don't like the idea that if you know the Bible well and can articulate it,

you automatically have to have a title. Yeah. Because then it automatically puts you at a distance from everybody else who just is, quote-unquote normal. And just like, yeah. Yeah. Like, I think theology should be known by everybody. I agree with that.

I 100% agree with that. And I can actually relate to that because when I started preaching, like, I didn't have a category at the time for, like, women preaching because I grew up in a really traditional church of Christ church. That was not a thing. So people are like, you're preaching. I'm like, no. I mean, I'm just talking to people about Jesus, you know?

And I just think about, like, we're supposed to be the light of the world. And Jesus said, like, go and tell, you know, so that's what I'm doing. And so I felt the same way when people would say that. I mean, I'm like, no. But I agree. But I agree that my dad and I always say that. Like if everybody felt, because, you know, if you have to preach somewhere, you know, or you're invited to, I won't say have to be, you've had the opportunity to, you prepare differently.

You know, you're in the word, you're studying the word. You're constantly like looking for God and everything, whatever movie you watch, whatever, you know, you're always like, God, show me an analogy, show me something. You know, you're just always like that. And my dad's always like, I wish everybody would have something on the calendar they had to preach at. But it's not even that. Like, go to the grocery store, go to the, what in your, day to day where, you know, wherever you're at in life and, like, be prepared to preach

the gospel. Yeah. Every encounter is an opportunity. So I actually love that you're like, this is for everybody, you know. But Christian. In your mind, do you lump, like, preacher and pastor together or can you kind of categorize them differently? So over the last six months, I've been told by many people that they're different.

I didn't know that. I thought preacher, pastor, same thing. I was like, no, none of it. But now that I'm kind of being able to separate the two of what, you know, preaching can be one thing. and pastoring is something different. I'm like, oh, okay. So that's why I feel a little bit better about preacher.

I feel a little better about it. No, that's fair. I see that. As we were listening, one of the common themes in y'all's family is hard work. It is discipline, hard work, preparing. And Christian was talking about, he was like, I want to ask them this

because I feel like you have perfectionist tendencies. And he was like, I want to talk to them about that and to see if, like, y'all struggle with that. And, you know, because you explain it better because it's something you walk there. Because for me, the thing I walked through was, I feel like for so much of my life, like, faith and church was, it was just religion. It was kind of missing this relationship element to it that I didn't really find until I got to college. And I think I'm still working through things now, even with, you know, in marriage and plus, you know, talking to counselors and stuff about it.

But I feel like so much my relationship with God is tied to my performance and how, you know, whether through hard work, if, like, you know, the Bible is clear on pretty. losing fruit, you know, being obedient and all these things that I feel like I have that mindset oftentimes that God's more proud of me if I do well or if I, you know, if I make a longer stint without, you know, having a jealous thought or, you know, having anger and things like that. So for you all, like, have you walked through that, you know, the difference between religion, relationship and how have you, you know, approached hard work from a worldly sense and not let that kind of have a misguided representation of your relationship with God.

I feel like for you, hard work and perfectionist. You're like athlete, straight-aid. Like you always been like work hard, do your best. But then like that has been a hard thing in your relationship with the Lord. Because it's that tension of like, it's that tension of like how do you steward what God's given you in pursuit with excellence,

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Terms and conditions may apply. That's a great question. For me, I feel like once I realized that Jesus just wants a relationship with us, and that changed my mindset toward the entire thing. Because, you know, obviously I was raised in a Christian household, and it was hard being raised in a, I wouldn't say it was hard being raised in a Christian household, but it was harder being raised in an influential Christian household because everybody put a certain expectation on you already without even knowing you.

So I couldn't necessarily be myself or feel like I could be myself with somebody else because of my last name or because of the way somebody may perceive who I am in that moment without even getting a chance to talk to me or get to know me. So even like throughout high school and when I got to college, it led me to a point of, okay, I'm tired of being called Priscilla Shire's son. I'm tired of being called Dr. Evans' grandson. How do I get my own name? How do I get people to call me Jackson?

And that led me to doing a whole bunch of things. Like, I was smoking weed all the time, all the time before practice, before a game. It didn't matter. Class, workout. It didn't matter what it was. I'm smoking. But when I'm passing brother blunt, he ain't going to call me Priscilla son. He's going to call me Jackson, you know?

Yeah. You know, when I'm doing things I'm not supposed to do, they're going to call me Jackson. They're not going to call me Dr. Tony Evans' grandson. And so, of course, like, I understand that the Lord requires work because faith without works is obviously dead. But once I realized that all you need is a relationship with Jesus and he's going to make your path straight, that then changed my mindset to, okay, I don't need to work hard for the love that the Lord died for us for. He died to give us his love already. So what do I need to work for that? He's already giving it to us.

So at least for me, it's like, once I realize I just need a lot. relationship with Jesus. Once I realized the Lord's like, man, just talk to me. Tell me how you feeling. Open your word and I'm going to talk to you through this word. That just changed my whole mindset. Do you think it was the people in your life that the Lord brought into your life that helped you to restructure that frame of reference? Or how to- 100%. I mean, I talked a little bit about this on their podcast, but when I have first moved back to Dallas, one of my friends, he was like, hey, Jackson, you should pull up to Shor-en-Line church with me. And mind you, in college, I didn't go to church at all.

So when I was going to, one Sunday, random Sunday, I decided to go to church. I had three blunts rolled in the car. I'm hotboxing on the way to church, blown down on the way to church. I get to the parking lot, boom, fog coming straight out the car. I walk in the church, the first person I see in the church was Pastor Olnika. And she was like, Jackson, your family, come sit with us. I sat with them and nobody made me feel a certain type of way. Nobody ridicule me.

Nobody made me feel out of place. Instead, Pastor Earl was like, Jackson, here's my number. anytime you want a place in church, text me, and I got you right here. People will walk up to me like, hey, this is my name. We have a connect group pull up. Hey, this is my name. We have a connect group pull up.

And their obedience to that season started to change my entire life, my entire relationship with Jesus, my entire walk with Jesus. Wow. 100%. And I just, you know, I'll just add to that. I guess that, you know, one of the things

is that we pray for as parents. You know, y'alls are littles right now and mine are coming into their 20s and all that. Mid-20s now. You're real grown at this point. But you're praying that the Lord will send people into your child's life outside of you because they're hearing you at some point, but they're not hearing you no more. Really, there's going to have to be another voice from a person that comes alongside of them,

whether it's a coach or a teacher, a professor, or a pastor, or somebody they meet, that they maybe respect and admire how excellent they are in their field or craft. And so when that person says something that helps to remind them sort of, back to your question, that it's just about relationship. You don't have anything to prove. You don't have to be, you know, your struggles are your struggles. Come as you are. We're not going to let you stay as you are, but come as you are.

You're welcome here. The fact that the Lord has done that with my sons in different ways, there are different people that they put in their lives to help sort of reframe that. Yes, work hard. But also, it's okay that you struggle. You know, the Lord loves you anyway. I feel like he's put voices in their life to sort of, affirm that in them and give them space to reframe that, that work ethic and make sure that it

doesn't sort of miscue what it is that God wants to do, which is just allow us to be in relationship with himself. So I'm grateful for that. So good. Yeah. I mean, I get three answers every time. It immediately makes me think about the parable of the talents. So Jesus is talking about the kingdom of God, and he says, it's like a master who gives talents to a servant. He went away for a while. He gives one, five talents, one, two, one, one, one, one, one, and he comes back.

The one with five talents. Hey, I doubled it. Good and faithful servant. You're trusted with little. I trust you with much. Same thing with the two. But the guy with one was interesting. He was like, I didn't do anything. I buried it. And I just gave you back what you gave me. And his reasoning was interesting. His reasoning was because you're a harsh judge. You reap not where you sow and all the things. And what was interesting was that because he viewed God, is just 100% just and not 100% love, it made his work different and not not not considered well done in the end. And why that's interesting is because I think whenever we make an idol out of our own production is because we look at God as just just and not love also. So I think about it's whenever we compare and contrast, especially being an athlete, like I get it. Like we all grew up in an athletic household, division. One athletes, all of us, like it completely get it. And so we're always, our validation is based off of how, what our work produces.

Yeah. And so I just think we can tie that into our relationship with Jesus Christ. So it's been a same thing, kind of what everybody's been talking about of how do I look at God. Yes, he is judge. Yes, he's just. That's being a little lesson today. But he's 100% just and 100% love.

And you have to have both of those. You have to have both of those in order to operate correctly between faith and work. I just want to say that was a very preacher comment right there. Come on, now. Here we go again. I'm just saying, that was a very preacher comment. Terrible.

It was. Come on, it was great. It was great. I have a quick follow-up question. So good. If I may, and this may be a vulnerable one,

but I'm asking this from the standpoint of now we have three kids. And so for you, because I know, I know what's the, you have the story of, um, is when you're in high school,

I believe in you are, is the different name. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. I gave myself a different. Yes. But,

but your parents. didn't know that though right they did know it because everybody was calling me that they just let me they were like whatever what was it I can't remember DK DK initials I stuck them together

and made a nickname okay so well that was kind of the framework where I was gone but so like I said with having kids now and you know with what you just shared I didn't know that but for you may have known that part of the story you may not have

but how did you like call called me better but also love in the moment and not because I think about with our kids, it's like, it's like, how do you have grace, but also you are better than that? And it's like not, not leaning too into the justice side of it, but also like, it's that tension of like, I'm going to love you, but I'm also going to call you to be better than that. So how did you?

That's a good question. You kind of answered your own question, just so you know. Okay. That was so perfect. What you said was grace, but also calling you to a higher standard. Yeah. That both of those two things can exist. it's like, to be preachery, it's like the Lord Jesus saying to the woman that was caught in adultery.

He's like, okay, grace, no one here condemns you, but also go and send no more. So that is the perspective I've tried to have with my boys. Again, 23, 21 and our 17-year-old Jude, it's like, we're out here living regular life. Like I think people look at sometimes the folks that they see from afar. I know I do it with people I see from afar. And we kind of put them on this pedestal somehow or we just think they're not dealing with regular life stuff and real struggles and heartaches. And I recognize that we are real people out here. These are real 20-year-olds dealing with real struggles, real heartaches.

They've had so many losses in their life that has broken their hearts and sort of crushed them and they've experienced so much pain. And I have remembered what it is that Jill Briscoe, don't know if you all know that name, she's got to be in her 80s now. years ago, Jill Briscoe said to me, Priscilla, one of the things as a parent that you will have to do is forgive your children for finding God their own way. That is so good. Say that one more time. Say that one more time. Forgive your children for finding God their own way and to loosen your grip enough to let the Lord do the work in their journey that he intends to do. Because their testimony is there is character that's developing.

There's a compassion, for example, with all the losses they faced, we've lost 10 family members in very short period of time. I was 40 when that started. They were 10, 11, 12 when that started. I can't imagine having experienced that at the phase of life they did. So I've had to say, okay, Lord, you've allowed that level of pain in their life because there's something out of that that's going to be necessary for where you're taking them, a compassion you want them to. have for people who've had those losses. There is an awareness. They're going to be queued into something somebody says that they need to read between the lines in a way I wouldn't have because I didn't experience that. Same thing with some of the other things that have happened

in their unique testimonies. It's like, okay, the Lord, for whatever reason, has allowed that. Am I still going to call them up out of that? Am I still going to say, don't be blind about this lower level stuff? And we still have requirements as parents because ain't nobody on their own payroll here yet. They come in, but ain't nobody there yet. So while we still have investment in your life at this level, there are still things that we're saying, let's be clear. We're still holding the line because we believe there's a certain way that you need to live to honor God and to honor yourselves, like to not damage yourselves before you're even old enough to know you have. So there's still the line there. I think they would say they know what the line is in those areas.

But at the same time, we have to loosen our grip enough to let the Lord do with their story. It's not a reflection of me. It is, no, the Lord's working it out with them. So, Lord, give me the wisdom and insight to say what I need to say and not say what I don't need to say. That's great. And to give space and margin for your spirit to do a whole thing that ain't got none to do with me as their parent. It has to do with the story you're writing with their life. I said that like it's easy

It's hard It's very hard It's been one of the hardest things of my life Just to let go and let the Lord Do what he's doing Yeah So good I'm thinking about every mom listening

Being like it's a hard thing To wrestle with But like so good And to have both y'all sitting here nodding your heads and agreeing Is like a really powerful thing To just see Don't you love it

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I mean, even yesterday, this is obviously not going to be yesterday when this podcast comes out, but I posted something on Instagram and me, like, making dinner for my family and just like crying. Yeah, I saw that thing. Because I felt so over well. And it felt like weird to post, but I also really wanted people to see. I'm a mom who at dinner time feels super overwhelmed and overtouched and over-touched and over-ass and all the things. And I just am like, everybody go outside and let me cry for a second. Give that disclaimer. But it's like so that what's so wild to me is how many people are like, thank you for sure, I would have never thought.

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It's that I love the way you love your family. I love the way that you've shown up. I'm like, how do you do it? Because it's so hard for me. I know it had to be hard to you. How did you keep going? But I want to ask you just as parents, how you and Jerry did do it as far as like sharing your test moves with your kids, sharing your struggles with your kids.

like how much do you share in such a way, you know, that's like helpful. I know. Because I love that you told them I have shared with you, but in your eyes, she was still a saint, you know? So what does that look like to just let your kids know you're human? You know, I do know that I think this is true across the board. Like if you had good parents, good quality parents, which I know is not everybody's story, it certainly is mine. It's not until you're older that you kind of realize your parents are human.

No, it's so true. I felt the same way. Oh, yeah. They're kind of like superheroes. You know, they just are like, oh, they're amazing and serving God and doing all the things. And then you grow up and you see life through the perspective of an adult. Yeah. And then you go, oh, you see the humanness, the fractures, the weaknesses, the struggles, the insecurities.

And you're like, kind of blown away about it. Oh, I thought you were a whole superhero, you know. So I feel like as my kids get older, they'll see that with me too, that, oh, mom's like a regular person. And she has fears too and struggles too. And God is writing a whole story with her life that has nothing to do with us. Yeah. Like he's taking her somewhere and doing something with her. Can I say something?

I'm sorry to cut you off. No, go ahead. But I remember, like, when I really realized that, like, I had that part of me. And I was like, oh, like, she has emotions as well. You cook dinner one day and we were like, we don't want to eat this. And you looked at me and you was like with tears in your eyes and you said, you know, I have emotions too and walked away. I was probably like 13 or 14. I think a lot.

I felt like I remember this actually. I think what this often kind of. Yeah. And then I was like, yeah, I felt really bad. And I was like, oh, like I didn't even realize that you felt a certain type of way about this. Like I never knew until she said something. Yeah. And we were young.

So I was like, oh, wow, like, she cares. And like, she has emotions as well. Yeah. And it's hard to figure out a new way to cook chicken for dinner every day. Oh, my gosh. Especially for these boys. Yes. Girl, I have to make like three whole chickens to feed these people.

I'm not playing between their dad and the three boys. It's like two or three whole chickens. If Honey has the memory that we think she might, she's had some things to you that have. Oh, yeah. Honey's totally made me cry. You know. I know. I know.

But it doesn't occur to them. And I understand. I can appreciate that because I remember being a kid and you don't really think your parents are feeling things and all that. I have a very similar memory. Doing that to my mom saying something. And then she cried and I was like, oh. And then I cried for like two hours. She's like, get over it.

I'm fine. Yeah. But I remember that. But I've tried to share things with them along the way that show something of vulnerability. I've tried to apologize to them when I realize, you know what? I could have done that differently. I should have done that differently. But there are things about my story to answer your question.

They still don't know. There are things that have happened to me or that I chose to allow that they still are unaware of. You're doing back in the day. You don't need to know all my business is all I'm saying. You want to talk about it? Another time. None of that. But the reality is that I, even about some of those things, it's not a purposeful withholding.

It is, okay, Lord, when there is the need for it, where there is an opportunity where I know they're going to be edified for it, it's going to help them to make a life decision. It's really good. Then all of that's on the table, because I would assume that the hard things I've been through. The reason why the Lord allowed those, if for nobody else, is to help make sure these boys. It's really good. and hopefully navigate their choices with a little more wisdom, knowing that, okay, I know somebody who's in close proximity to me, who's walked through this and is connected to real life stuff, not just my parent, not just my mom, but no, she actually was a teenager once and was a college student once, was in her early 20s, trying to navigate the beginning and inauguration of a life and a career and a ministry. So, you know, I've just asked the Lord to show me when those times are, when those moments are where it will be helpful to them. Yeah.

That's great. I love that. That was so good. Would you say it's like, because this is kind of what I was asking earlier, but like your level of discernment and plus just the relationship you guys have because I feel like growing up, I was super crazy growing up. But it would be like. He tells me his stories of smoking weed and they are pretty wild.

I was wild. Smoking weed and then go into what, Dispickable Me and you all laugh and your heads off the theater. I mean, so we have some stories. I have some crazy stories. But my point is the level of like, I feel like so many parents, at least when I was growing up, it was just like this naivness. And it would be like, you know, their parents would have no idea their kids were that bad. They'd be like, not my little Johnny. And it's like, your little Johnny is terrible.

Your mom did it one day at dinner. When you and Chance were like, y'all should have never given us iPhones in middle school. And your mom was like, but you didn't do anything bad. And they were like, mom. You got, you know? I mean, we've had this conversations with your mom. Yeah, my mom was one of those paid people. But my mom's incredible and she's so great.

Oh, she's amazing. But that's what I'm saying. Like, as a parent now, like, I cannot imagine my daughters and not having this, this thought of like, you know, what all are you truly doing? But what do you accredit that to of like, was it your relationship with your sons or a level of discernment or things that you've been through that you realize, like, you know, because obviously kids are good. Kids are good at hiding things. Hiding. Correct. So what do you accredit that level two of like, I know what my sons are going through?

Well, I think that's still something I'm growing in and trying to figure out. So I was a very watchful parent. They would say I was in helping. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Too much. Excuse me. Sorry, we're being real.

Excuse me, sons. I am answering the question. I, first of all, first of all, I was not a helicopter parent. I know some helicopter parents, and I was not that. Y'all had a lot of freedom. Okay, so anyway, let me, hold on, hold on, shh. Okay, go back.

Say what you're going to say. I'll talk after. Okay, so from their perspective, I was a very, okay. So, but I realized, here's what the line was for me, Christian. I, you said this earlier, I think, that you experienced, maybe this is before we started filming, but you were talking about just that feeling of anxiety that you were having about one of your kids and something they're going through. Well, I am a normally very easygoing person. Very, I'm kind of like your mom, real easy going and kind of roll off your shoulders. Things will be

okay. I'm watchful, but I realized when I started feeling anxiety, I was so, that feeling is so unnatural to me. Yeah. So I'm up at night worried about what's on their phones, you know, worried about, I mean, I'm just like feeling myself becoming physically stressed and unhealthy over trying to sort of manage that. Yeah. And I realize, okay, this is one of the first times in my life that I'm literally having to physically give something over to the Lord or it's going to kill me. I'm not going to sleep at night. I'm not going to be able to eat well doing the day, worried about what they doing. Yeah.

So it came along in that part of life where it wasn't an easy sort of, we just, you know, just, no, I had to decide. I am actually going to step back, and here's the prayer I still pray to this day. I actually got this from a little movie called War Room. There's this little part in the film where I can't even remember now if it was my character, but somebody is praying, I think it's me, praying that the husband in the film is exposed. The prayer is not that you will, that I will be able to go find the problem, but that if there's something to be found, you will expose it. I pray that now over my voice.

That's what I pray. If there's something I need to know, will you somehow cause it to bubble up to the surface? Whether it's, because I did check their phones, still do sometimes. They don't even know. But I will, it's not even like a digging. Because see, that's what I was getting into where it's like, I got to make sure. I got to make sure. Nope. I'm going to do this little surface skim over my 17-year-old's DMs or I'm going to ask some questions or when I'm in his room putting the laundry in the laundry basket because he didn't clean up his clothes today. Lord, if there's anything I need to know, then I'm going to put the responsibility on you to clarify it for me. That's really good. I'm going to do what I can do that doesn't cause me to creep over into this space that honestly is reserved for you. I cannot manage everybody.

I can't control everybody. I can't function in that and be sane. So I'm going to be a wise, responsible parent to the best of my abilities. And then I'm going to say, Lord, if there's anything that needs to be exposed so that we as their parents can counterbalance what's happening in their life or, a path they're walking down or a relationship they don't need to be in, then I'm going to have to put that burden on you to figure that out for me. I can't keep up with all this, especially when y'all's babies are little right now, so they're with you.

But when they start going out into the world and having relationships that you don't, I don't even know who their people are. Unless they bring a friend over to the house or whatever, largely their lives are totally untethered from their parents' oversight. Yeah. So I'm just like, Lord, if there's any way we need to help them, knowledge we need to have, I'm going to have to trust you to reveal that to us. Outside of that, I challenge them, and I think they will know exactly what I'm about to say.

But I will say this to them. You're going to have to decide what kind of man you're going to be. Period. It's on you. We have done the best we can. We have not been perfect parents. But we've done the best we can to instilling you some wisdom. You know we're here.

You know the word of God. You have wise mentors in your life. So at this point, With that phone in your hand, access to technology, you can drive and go wherever you want to go, meet with whoever you want to meet with, do whatever you want to do. So at this point, and I've said this to them since they were young in their preteen years, that was mainly my statement to them. Decide what kind of man you're going to be. Pick aside. But don't act one way when you're not with us and then another way when you are.

Let us know. And I would use the word raggedy. If you're going to be raggedy, tell us. Then I'm a parent you like you're a raggedy kid. but if you're going to have integrity and you're going to be a man who's not perfect but you're going to try to live right, honor your parents, honor God, then let me know that

and live that way across all sides of your life whether we're there or not to govern it. So I just challenge them with that. Pick aside. This is so good. I have a question. So when do you even get a hold of my stuff?

Like how? How? I can't let that one go. I know like how we win is that? It was last side on the tour bus when you were sleeping. I know, right? I don't know. You're exactly right.

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you know, you started this podcast and you're doing it with your mom, which is so special. And like, like you mentioned, y'all are in a very influential family. Like, you can choose to step into that or not. And you've chosen to like do more public things, you know?

What was your decision to start that podcast and then to ask your mom to be a part of it with you? Yeah. So it's funny how God works, right? Because I didn't necessarily plan to speak in any capacity. like her didn't want to do it. I was like, nah, I'm good.

I don't want to do any. I don't want to talk about the Bible. I knew I needed to have a relationship with the Bible personally. I just didn't want to speak about it publicly. That wasn't my thing. Can't ask you why. Okay. Yeah, I think a lot of it had to do with just wanting to blaze your own path.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I just kind of wanted to do what I wanted to do. Yeah. I don't know if I wanted to just follow behind the footsteps of. I also am a very independent person. So I was like, I want to accomplish something, how I want to accomplish it. And I want to do it outside of there.

Did you have any sort of insecurity of like, because I honestly can't even feel like that of like, Sadie is so good at what she does. And it's like, even for me, it's like if I get, if I were to get, get an ass, it's like, well, she's probably the better person to ask to come speak about something versus me. So do you feel like that compared to your grandfather to your mom of like, I'm not as good as them? Like was there insecurity that was also? Yeah, yeah, good question. I'm going to say for me personally not that much just because I have always been so hyper-independent, like pretty hyper-independent. And so I've always been like, I'm going to do what I do, how I want to do it, regardless of what anybody thinks. I'm going to do it my way.

So, I mean, they've also done a good job with never pressuring me into doing anything. Yeah. Like they've never said you have to do anything, ministry, like vocationalally or anything like that. So I've always just been doing kind of how I wanted to do it. And so I've never had any insecurity because I also don't really naturally compare myself to them because I still don't feel like what I'm doing. I haven't clicked that what I'm doing is similar to them as much as probably it is. Yeah. So I don't, I never have ever compared myself to my illustrations like Dr. Tony Evans or my speaking style, like my mom.

I've always been like, I take the parts of them that are really good and how they do it well. And I'll just implement it into what I'm doing and then I'll do it my way. Yeah. That makes sense. If that answers your question at all. That makes so much sense. It makes so much sense. But I can relate to that a lot because, and I want to hear the question about the podcast

and then circle back to even something you said because I was like that. I did not like to be known as like Willie Robertson's daughter or the Duck Dynasty girl. I was like, nope. And actually, whenever I wrote my first book, when we were talking to the retailers, I asked them not to put it by any one of my family's books because I didn't want to be categorized in the Duck Dynasty group. I was like, this is different. This is a whole different thing.

I have a different message. This is Live original. Can I be in like the faith-based but not like the Robertson family? Okay, hold on. I know we have to get to the question you asked at the podcast, but I have a question then for both y'all. The question is, what is the difference between wanting to be independent but also then being unwise in not just going ahead and standing on the shoulders of the people who came before you who wanted to build something that their children would benefit from?

How do you? Yes. Well, there's been a huge shift in me for sure. I mean, I'm in the Duck Commander Warehouse for the podcast. I have, I have what you were saying just a minute ago about, you were just saying like you don't want to be known as a preacher. That was so me. Like, I can relate so much to that. And even your independence is like, oh, that was so me.

And so I'm only 28. So I'm just like, how old are you, 21? 21. I'm just like a few years older. But I think I was exactly where you were at. 21. I was like, nope, I'm going to do my own thing. This is different than everybody else, not even realizing how similar it actually was to my parents and my grandparents. And, you know, this is actually very true. And I don't know why this does make me emotional. But I didn't

realize how much of my grandfather I had in me until after he passed until I started watching his videos and going, oh, that sounds like me. You know, and I do it different. But I think I wanted to just like do my own thing that I didn't even. recognize how similar it was. And my grandfather is, like, an amazing man. But, like, he is not very, he wouldn't tell you like,

oh, you're doing a great job. That's never going to happen, okay? He's never, he's not that guy. But, like, I didn't even know until after he passed. There's a podcast clip of him talking about me preaching and how amazing it is. He never said that to me,

never saw that until after he passed. And I was just like, whoa, I'm carrying on this legacy. Like, and I already knew that in other areas. Like, my parents and I are super close. I'm so grateful for the path that they've paid for us, especially with, like, fame because it's been such a hard thing to navigate. And I'm so grateful my parents did it before me and with me. And so they're constantly helping me in that area.

So I realized it in some sense, but even this past year has been transformative when he passed. And I'm like, I'm carrying this legacy. And I feel like I've just fully embraced it. And like, I appreciate all of it. And I'm not like afraid to say like, I actually now am complimented by being like, like his granddaughter and the part of the Robertson, feel like that's such a compliment. It's such a, I'm so grateful to be that.

And then I'm like, I am preaching. Like I am, you know, I feel like I've just like owned it. But I felt all of that for sure. Like everything that you're saying, I totally felt in. I feel like this just, it's been a slow thing, but this past year it's like fully.

Yeah. And I will piggyback off that. I'm not on the other side of it by any means necessarily, not even close. But I am in the shifting process because I think recently, as I've been hanging around a lot of older, more wiser people intentionally, I've been understanding the importance of being a body of Christ. Now, many people today look at that as collaborations with people in their same sphere,

but that can also be generationally. I don't understand why I wouldn't use the resources and the benefits for the kingdom of God, for what they've worked so hard to do. Because I started realizing it, long story, sure. I'll get to the question a second. I'm so sorry. No, this is so good because, It's the same for me.

I mean, literally, when I said my studio is here, like, I remember I did my podcast for two years before my mom helped me at all because she has a production team. But I was like, you know, doing it my own. And my mom was also starting her production, so it wasn't really time yet. But then when she wouldn't take it over, I was like, hmm, because I was like, there's something about the independence that you don't want people to say. And maybe you felt this. And I've had people say it's like, oh, well, you got the opportunity because of your family. And I didn't want that. I was like, no, because I worked hard, you know?

But then at the end of the day, it's like, but I am thankful that my family has given me this opportunity because they worked hard, you know? But it took me a while to like receive that. And it's as a humbling of yourself to be like, actually, I can work hard and also receive the generational blessing of what my parents set before me. But that was like, that's a hard thing. Yeah, because a lot of it's just stemmed in pride, to be honest with you, at least for me. I want to do it my way. I want to do it. I want to get all the recognition for doing it.

And it's really just like, oh, no, we said humility or humble. It's sort of reminded me of. Like, I had to humble myself and still have to humble myself intentionally to be like, yes, I work hard. But even if I don't get the validation of the hard work from everybody else, it'll be okay. You know what I mean? So that's been a hard thing for me of trying to wrestle with that. But, yeah, so that that's that. As far as podcast, though, back to the actual original question.

This is so good. Y'all, we need to talk offline. We have a lot in common. No, seriously. Oh, my gosh. So after my sophomore year in college It was when I decided that I'm going to take my walk with the Lord seriously Before then I had been just using other areas

Whether it was alcohol or mystery my relationships with women or whatever it was Even friends just all these little idols in my life that I was using to feel the things that God was Ultimately trying to fill so I remember making a decision being like okay you know what all those things ain't working Like I thought god you kind of the last resort So I'm gonna just you know you I'm gonna see if you talk about it and see if it works obviously it did because the Bible is truth and during that process I started to call my mom a lot and I bet she remembers like me I'd be in the car with a friend and I'd be like I have a question like what would God do that like I don't understand why he well he said this and that don't make sense

because it seems like it's contradicting with this I don't understand and so I always just call my mom with my friends around and argue with my friends it was just great I had a great I love arguing too it's kind of bad but I just love debating it just helps me learn anyways so I would call her often all the time. And then I remember I was sitting with my mom at one point. It was July of maybe two years ago. And my mom said something very random. She was like, we should do something together. And I was like, ew, no. That's my mom. Why would I ever do that? And so I just left it at that. And then my uncle later came back and was like, hey, you ever thought about doing something with your mom? I was like, what would I do? I meant like, go to the mall together.

Oh, yeah. That's, oh, well, that's not how I took it. Everybody. That's awesome. And so. That's so awesome. Like a month later, my uncle, Anthony, came up to me and was like, hey, you ever thought about doing something with your mom?

I was like, what? He was like, a podcast. Like, your podcast are a thing right now, and you could do that with your mom. And at first I was very reluctant because I guess my mom. No, that's weird. But then I was like, maybe that could be something. Because we talk often anyway.

Yeah, that's what you already did? Yeah. So I was like, what if we just, because all the conversations would be so good. Like I had so many deep questions. questions, being a young adult in college and all this stuff. I was like, if we just turn the camera on the conversations that we already have, let's see what happened. So I just ended up planning it. And so it just all naturally transpired with how God

was working in my regular life, to the calls, to that being an idea right now. And they're just all formed into what now is the podcast. Because I had no plans for it. I had no expectations for it. I just put it out there and was just like, I don't know. How can working at your local Tims take you further? Sure, you can level up your teamwork skills. You also get a chance to receive a Tim Horton's scholarship award. Ready for what's next? Apply today at careers.timhorans.ca. That's how the best podcast start, though.

It's an overflow of what you're already doing, and then you just put mics to it. It's like, oh, this is so good. And I love how relaxed you are with, like, the conversations and the onesie and all of it, which I'm still so mad. I couldn't find my onesie for today's podcast. But nonetheless, I know, I was so excited. But no, this is so funny, like how much we can relate.

And I was just thinking about what my dad actually said to me because he, again, you think of them as a hero. And they're like, oh, you struggle with that too. He was actually telling me that his whole life, he was so bothered that he was like, one of Phil's boys, you know, he's like, I'm not just one of Phil's boys. Like, you know, I'm Willie and I want people to call me Willie. It's just so similar what you were saying and what we've been talking about. And then he said, finally, like, I did it.

He's like, I made this, like, you know, the show happened. and people knew me like Willie Robertson and I had this look about me and all of the stuff and he's like and I got it. He's like and now everywhere I go I'm Sadie's dad and he was like,

but he's like but I love it now you know and it's like cool because back to your thing when does it become like the blessing and I think it is when you realize like the generational blessing of like you know my grandfather came to the Lord

and that changed the line of our family and then my dad was like I got to prove for myself and then he did but then it's like but what is that for what am I passing on? And now it's like, oh, I want it to be for my kids, you know? And I just feel like it's so cool how y'all's family operates like that. And you're in the middle of it going, you know, you're the daughter of and the mom of and also you are who you are.

But you're just carrying this beautiful legacy of family who loves the Lord and stands in the Lord. And I'm just, I'm so encouraged. I'm so encouraged. No, it's been so good. And I was going to say, too, just to kind of clarify what I said earlier, because I'm really by nature not an anxious person or an insecure person. And I think the insecurity part I was kind of talking about was I had to get to a point where, because every event we would go do, every green room I'd be in, it would be like, you should go speak too, you know? Like what, and for years.

People like put that on you. And people would literally say to Christian like, you're going to do something different than Hurley, you're going to have your ministry. But Christian's like, I don't even think I want that. Yeah. And it was like, I hate it. If anyone asked like, so what, like, it would be like, so what do you do? And it would be like I hated that question. Oh, I know. I feel like I would have to over explain. And so all that to say,

it felt like what I was doing was never enough. So it was never like I was comparing my speaking style or how articulate I can be to say it. It was more so like she, it was always this expectation of like, I felt like I could always do more. So it was that insecurity of like, am I not doing enough?

I feel like I'm stepping to what God's call me, but it's not as big or influence. influential or influential. So that was kind of more to the insecure stuff about, which I don't know if you can maybe relate to that with your dad or like. I feel like I can relate to that so much too, especially with little brother doing it, you know? It's like, I wouldn't say it's hard because I've never wanted to walk into a coffee shop

and people like, hey, da-da-da-da-da-da. Because I just like to go in, go out, and do it after-do and not talk to anybody. He's my introverted. So he's very introverted. So he's not interested in being on. He's like his dad. They don't need a stage. They don't want to be in front of people and don't want people to know them.

Yeah. But it's like when I see a little brother have his plan like, oh, this is what I'm going to do, this is how I'm going to do it. And he's doing it. I feel like also I have to over explain sometimes or I also have to do more or do extra to make it seem like more because of them. Yeah. Because of my family. Yeah. That makes sense.

So I resonate with that. I hate that. I would like that question be asked and I'd be like, well, I used to do this, but now I'm doing this. And then sometimes like my life is so crazy. Every day is different. Yeah. But it's like rather than just being like this is what I'm doing, yeah, I would feel that need like that compulsion to like over explain what I do just to feel validated of like you're doing a good job. Yeah, you're okay.

So Christian, what's your, can I ask what you're how you're dealing with that and what your advice would be like for a young man that says what he just said? That's great. How are you working through that and advice for me? It's like I think it's being content with what I'm doing. So it's what I'm doing right now. it's that's what that's what I'm doing because I feel like usually I I did a podcast for a while then we filmed the show and then I kind of took a break from that so my first thing would be like well I have a podcast but I haven't done it in like a year and a half because we started filming a show so rather

than leading with things that I used to do or things I'm like right now I'm working on a 40 day devotional going through the life of David so for me it's like that one thing has given me confidence to this is what I'm doing now so for you it's like Right, well, right now, I'm training people. Yeah. You know, I'm at this school. I'm helping people achieve their goals through this hard work. But it's also, I mean, I taught to counselors all the time, and I have great mentors that I'll talk to.

Your study of David has helped you a lot. I feel like because David, like we talk about being with the sheep, like you've learned, I feel like I don't want to speak for you. But the whole House of David TV series, Christian has like watched it. a hundred times like not just once like a lot since because you've watched how god used david whenever he was like planted where he was at and that's what he was doing and god would like prepare him for the next thing you know and i feel like that's really helped you a lot and too i think used to again like you wanted to make it sound impressive and i remember one day you getting frustrated at yourself because you were like you didn't tell someone that you were like take you know honey to school or something

because you felt like, you were like, I don't want to be a stay-at-home dad. Like, you didn't want to be perceived as that. And then you go, but I actually do want to do that. You're like, I actually want to take my kids school and be present in my home. And then you're like, so maybe if I'm not that busy right now doing other things, like, I can be the dad

that I actually want to be that's just present and at home. And you're like, so I got to get over like whatever that is in me that doesn't want people to think that because I actually do want people to think that because that's actually the dad I do want to be. And then you started owning it. And like you didn't try to bizify yourself. You were like, I actually want to be.

more free in this time so that I can be the husband to you and support you in the ministry, and so I can be present in our family and our home. And I remember that was a big shift for you and a big shift for even us because we were going a lot and doing a lot. And I feel like people putting that on you, it was pulling you somewhere that you were only being pulled to because of what man would think, not because of where you actually wanted to be planted. Yeah, well, then I'd have to deal with that as like, are these people putting expectations on me or like, or is God calling me to something? thing. So is that confusion of like this keeps happening, like, am I stepping into something new? Or is that just like, these are just people putting an expectation or a label on me.

Well, you should go speak because you're married to say to it, you know. So I had to deal with that. And I feel like for me, the thing that's has been super helpful is just open dialogues. I'm like, there are certain days I struggle with it. And from the standpoint of like, yeah, I might have this insecure thought or things like that. But I'm constantly having to have conversations or talk to you about it or call my counselor or my pastor or even just like my friends. But I think for me, the thing that's been helpful is this is what I'm working on right now and just being confident in that. Jerry, like y'all's podcast with your dad, was like super helpful to listen to because whenever

he, you know, decided not to work in corporate America and come home. And you were saying like that's so hard for a man to like, you know, not provide in the way that you would want to provide as much as like, oh, I could bring all this, but then Jerry was saying, but then I wasn't home, you know? And so like, what do I, that choice that you're going to make, you know?

And I felt like that was a turning point for us. I was like, you could do that. Like, you could go do all that. And that would be, you know, you would accomplish this. And you would be able to say you do more. But then we would not have the marriage we'd have. We would not, you wouldn't be as present in our kids' life as you would.

And so it's like, are we going to be content with not doing as much, but being like in where we're at and being, healthy, you know? So it's like what you sacrifice. But we've had so many conversations. Even apart from it spiritually, it's just like the worldly sense of like, you know, the man's they're going to provide for the family. The man's going to work hard. And then for me, I'm like, well, I'm in this unique different situation. So it looks differently. So it's even like pulling out of like the worldly stigmas of it, even apart from it from a spiritual sense of like combat, yeah, combating like the worldly sense of like this is what a typical husband, father

are supposed to look like in our life it's different. So for me, it's like, you know, crucifying that, laying that aside, not going to be insecure about certain things, be confident in who I'm the who God's called me to be. Because at the end of the day, I have to realize, too, that if I'm not healthy and I'm not leading my family, you can't fully step into what all God's calling you to do. If I'm over here, like, just, you know, in the fetal position, insecure about why do people not, you know? So I'm like, I got to be confident.

And I'm like, I'm confident. Like I'm not, you know. Such a great leader. No, for real. But it's been a journey. It's been a journey. This was an unhinged, very open podcast. Wonderful.

I'm like, we have so much more to talk about off screen. But we could talk about it on your podcast because we're about to put the script. I know, we just roll it over. But seriously, y'all are an incredible family. Thank you for having us. We love you guys so much. That was awesome. Thank you.

That's so fine.