WHOA That's Good Podcast - How I Forgave Myself & How We Forgave Each Other | Korie Robertson | Al & Lisa Robertson

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Korie Robertson is joined by Al and Lisa Robertson to share some seriously exciting news — their love story is becoming a movie in 2026! Al and Lisa open up about why they feel so called to tell their story through retreats, seminars, and even couples counseling. Lisa gets real about how staying silent became a full-on spiritual battle — she could literally feel the Enemy wanting her to keep quiet. But after watching God redeem her past in the most beautiful way, she can’t help but share that hope and joy with everyone.  This Episode of WHOA That's Good is Sponsored By: Exclusive $45-off Carver Mat at https://on.auraframes.com/WHOA. Promo Code WHOA Upgrade your sleep—or give the gift of better rest! Go to https://trymiracle.com/WHOA and use the code WHOA to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. https://drinkag1.com/whoa — Get a FREE Welcome Kit with an AG1 Flavor Sampler and a bottle of Vitamin D3 plus K2, when you first subscribe! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That's a first time with you, though. Yeah, a new host in the chair. Yeah, we call this the elevated host. I mean, when you go to mom, that's impressive. Well, at least you said elevated, not older. I thought you were going to say elderly. This is not my first rodeo, Corey. I know how this works.

I would never say that. I was like elderly, elevated. I'll take that. Yeah, you'll take that. Yes, Sadie is loving on baby kit and loving just the mom life and recovering and all the things from C-section and everything and just doing. Lisa's been having major baby kit envy because we get the pictures and she's like wanting to be here. So this first time we've been home in a while.

So I'm sure she's going to have. I've been holding on to her a while ago. I was telling the girls, I said, you know, if Kit's around here somewhere, I could just hold her while we're doing the interview and we'd be perfectly fine. We should do that. Just hold Kit the whole time. That's right. She is so sweet, yes.

And Sadie's just doing great. Now, Mom of Three Little Girls, which is a little bit crazy, you know, I can't believe that my daughter has three. Christian, do you know why you have three little girls? And he said, no, why? And I said, because God trusts you. He trusts you with the lives of three little girls. And I said, so hang on to that and, you know, be that dad that protects those little girls.

And he said, he said, thanks for saying that. Which is so much better than what dad used to say to me who had two daughters. He said, well, Al, you know, somebody has to shoot the light loads when we go hunting. I mean, I was like, I don't even know what that means. What does I mean? I don't know, but it was embarrassing, you know. like heavy steel, I, you know, I don't know. So that's way better.

Thank you, baby. It is. That is. Yes. I told Jay the same thing. I mean, Jay, you got three little girls. It's because God trusts you to protect them and to raise them right. So good.

So good. Well, I'm glad to all are back. This is awesome. It's fun to sit down and talk. And Al, you have a, like, new, let's see, how should I word it? New and lighter version of yourself. That's a nice way to put it. See, we're giving compliments, the lighter version of out.

He was not that big, but he was not. How much did you live? So let me tell you this. So it's really funny because I have not seen William forever. And so the other day we're filming, because we're all right here together, you know, Unashames right over there and Duck call room's over there and Duck Dynasty goes on here. And so they were filming a Duck Dynasty episode, but in the podcast room. So the door is open.

I mean, that's going on. It's kind of chaos. And in fact, I think you guys were even over here. And so when I walked by to go to the restroom, Willie, they're filming. They're in scene because size rae. about something. And so Willie, bored probably. You know, he's looking.

He sees me walk by and he looks and then he does like a double take. I saw the double take. And as I'm walking by, I never stopped, but I just chuckled because I thought, well, that's the first time he's seen me. So it wasn't 10 minutes before they took a break. He's busting down the door at Unashamed. It just so happened that we have what I call my fat scientist because she was the person who dreamed up my diet in the lab someplace that the Ph.D.

Lady, yeah, Dr. Ashley. She was on the podcast that day, so he got to meet her. And she even said, she said, Willie, if you ever need us, you know? I was like, whoa. Did she just do that in front of me? She actually just gave him that little tidbit, you know. So he just turned a little red and moved on. But, yeah, so I've lost about almost 70 pounds.

Wow. Yeah, since the last time I was here. That's crazy. Just in my big health week this week, all my numbers are good, so I'm feeling great. That's amazing. It told me that just this morning, I had. had my last checkup and they said, I had not heard about my testosterone, which we talked about yesterday on the podcast with John Luke and Christian, because we also had a jiu-jitsu guy on there

too, and these are all, everybody's all muscled up. Well, not so much John Luke. He fits more into me. He's got a smart brain. But, you know, we were talking about it being a high-tie episode. And so everybody was laughing. And then we talked about Abraham being a high-tee because, you know, we had a kid at 100. Christian thought that was funny. I said, well, you never know, Christian. But we, so today she told me my testosterone was like I was in my 30s, instead of 60. And I said, well, there you go, babe. I already knew it. She already knew. Well, Lisa was bragging about that yesterday. I will say, we did a podcast and Lisa did bring up your sex life. Oh, good. Well, that's important that we can still talk

about it after all these years. I said, losing weight is good for your sex. It is. It is. It's helpful. Perfect. We don't talk about, we don't talk about testosterone a lot on this podcast. I will say that. I told the people... More of the estrogen conversation. I told the people here, I said, now, look, when you're walking down the hall, there's testosterone over here today, and there's estrogen over there because you guys were in here. And then I think Martin, you know, Martin, Mr. Smart, he said, with everybody, I said, no, just the guests.

I didn't say anything about me or Jace or Zach. You know, we're getting into those low T years. But that was where I found out. That's great. That's awesome. Well, cool. Well, that's amazing. I mean, I would not have guessed 70 because...

70 pounds. course, like, I didn't realize that you had gotten that big, but no. I was there. But that's amazing. You look great. Me either. And so today, he came out of the house because A.N. Ann is at our house with Kay. And so he came through and he didn't have a shirt on.

He just had his shorts on. And A. Ann goes, wow, you can really tell when you don't have your shirt on. And I said, I know Ayn Ann Ann. And she said, now I see why you're always. right there with him and got your hands on him. And I said, yeah. It's made me think I may have an underwear modeling thing gig going out at the nursing home now. Perfect.

Because I walked past Mom and Aunt Ann and got quite the reaction. So I'm like, that could be a big hit with the 70s and 80s crowd. You never know where life's going to tell. You just got to appreciate it, Corey. At this point, I need a new career at 60. That may be the thing. Underwear modeling at the old folks. That's great.

Well, speaking of new career, we should talk about. I'm going to segue that into what we have that's coming up that we're really excited about and something that I want to talk to y'all about and get to share first here with the listeners. This is the first, yeah. This is like exclusive news. So we are in talks about a movie about y'all's life story. And I'm really excited about that. And, of course, I know y'all's life story and have lived a lot of it.

I've lived a lot of it, yes. And I'm so grateful to have gotten to live a lot of it. and to see just the impact of y'all's life on us. I talked about that when we did a podcast recently, just the impact of y'all's life and your marriage and what that had on Willie and I and our marriage and just stick into it and forgiveness and grace and all those things that y'all showed us

and lived by example and that how it impacted our life. But I know that your story has impacted a lot of people and that's a lot of what you're doing right now. So I just wanted to kind of get into that, like, what are you doing right now? How has the things that God has taught you, the things that you've been through, just how are you, how are you, how are you, feel like you're using that for his glory now? Because that's the goal, the hope for all of us, that we can take the things that were hard in our life and find the, find the gold in them. Messes that become messages.

That's right. That's right. Well, we still speak around the country at pregnancy centers, doing right to life. you know, fundraisers, things like that, because whenever I was 16, I had an abortion. And so now I feel as though since God has redeemed me of, you know, those past sins and the messes that I made, I feel like now that's what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to share that because he healed me. And once you're healed, I feel as though that's what God wants you to do, you know. And so we still do that.

We still do marriage ministry. Again, you know, that was 15 years into our marriage. And I had an affair and nearly split us up. We were apart for about six weeks. But we got back together, decided that I decided that I needed to change my life. that I was not the Christian that I thought I was. I mean, I really wasn't. I had not given my life to Christ.

I'd given my life to Al. And that was, you know, that was great, but he was not my Savior. And I needed to give my life to a Savior. And so I gave my life to Jesus. And so then that turned our marriage around. And then we've helped, you know, lots of couples through our church with their marriages, problems in their marriage. And then we go out

and do marriage retreats or marriage refresh, whatever somebody wants to call it. Conferences, yeah. Yeah, conferences. And then, you know, we do, if somebody calls and says, hey, can you come and do a ladies' day? Sure. Or can you come and talk to the guys, do a sportsman's banquet? Then I was like, sure. And so we're still out there doing that. And And, you know, really just bringing hope, I think, to people who these days are just, you know, sort of hopeless. Gift-giving season is a pannis, fam. Imagine giving something that literally brings your favorite Christmas moments to life every single day. That's what an aura frame does.

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You were our children's ministry. You and I worked together first, and then Willie came on later and worked with college kids and teens. And the years I cherish. I mean, those years we got to do ministry together, so good. Did the same with Jason and Missy early when we were interns and first out of school. And now we all worked together on the back end of all this, you know, in ministry.

And now we're all doing our own thing. And yet we're all still, you know, family and we love each other, which is great. But our ministry really started just, just kind of as a triage, we're in trouble. We don't know what to do. We were an ER. You know, we were like people coming in saying, we're a mess, and she's had an affair, he's had an affair, what do we do?

And then us, like, not only sharing with them what God had done in our lives, but then getting them to some people that could help them long term, you know, beyond just us, because we had people in a wonderful counselor that helped us. And so it was kind of like that. And then eventually, after you heal for a few years, you get an opportunity to tell your story. And so for us, it started right here at our church. And I'll never forget the first Sunday we shared our testimony.

And everybody had lived it so they knew it. But they were so proud of us because, like, look, it's been five years or whatever it was then. Well, out of that, somebody said, well, you come share that at our church. And here we go. And so even way before the show and all that, which just kind of gave us a bigger platform and a national platform to do this. And also an opportunity to write our first book, which was our story. and then we've done a couple of follow-up books since.

But all of those opportunities were there because of what God had done for us initially. And the interesting thing, Corey, is that we've never, like, so we do things like in a bigger way now, and not as much. We don't have the time to do like we did it, sit with a couple all the time and do premarital and all the things we really love doing for many years.

But I still, like, gained so much from being knee-to-ne-to-ne with a couple or somebody going through a struggle. And so within the last, what I'd say, a month, babe, we've had a young couple here locally that we had been instrumental in helping her parents, you know, help redeem and renew their marriage. And now that actually even lead a big marriage ministry here,

who were having some trouble and wanted us to talk to them. And, of course, so it was like second generation. I was like, man, what a blessing. What an honor, you know, to get to spend a couple hours with this young couple and helped them kind of get back on the right path

and then just yesterday we got a text from another couple here local that Lisa had really helped her and then we had helped them

get through some hard times and now his mom and stepdad were having these major problems and had come to them because they were the health

as marriage and their family and then first person he reached out to was us and so and that was second generation

going the other direction and so you still have that opportunity so about the movie I mean, the thing that cites me the most is that I see the potential when your story's up on a big screen. And it's kind of ironic for me because whenever you guys approached mom and dad about doing the blind, dad was not, you know, he's very hesitant at first, which is understandable because, you know, he's definitely the villain, you know, in the story.

And so he was like, ow, you know, it's the worst things in your life on the movie screen. I said, Dad, I get it. I said, but just think about this, dad. And I've now thought about these words that I gave to him. I've thought about them for us. I said, how many people in the history of the world, planet Earth? Because they haven't been making movies, but 100 plus years, have had a movie made about their life. Wow.

That's so true. I said, you know, there's not very many compared to billions that have lived. I said, you either had to do something really good or really bad to have a movie made about your life. And so. And Phil happened to kind of do both. He did both. That's exactly right. And so he's.

have two. And really, most people are, exactly. And so, because most people are just like everybody else and they have their struggles. And so those words resonated back to me. I just thought, well, if this happens, and I realize we're just talking about it. But if it happens, then it's, it would be an honor to get to have something where another artistic way of touching people. I mean, we have a book, obviously, we speak. This would be another great way to do it. I mean, I was so proud of the work you guys did on the blind just because, it's so captured. I mean, I lived it, so I was there.

And yet it captured that. And I thought, I told the actress that played mom. I mean, the fact they were Brits and they sounded like Southerners was impressive to me. That was, yeah. And, but, you know, so she's talking to me in her British accent, you know. And I said, you know, you just, you captured mom's optimism so well. Yeah. And then you captured the moment where she lost it.

And I said that, you know, because I was there. I lived the whole thing. I said, and I've never, you know, that's what resonated me the most in the film, even though I thought the guy that played dad was tremendous. But the actress that played mom, she was so optimistic throughout the entire film until she wasn't, until she lost it. And so I was just complimenting her. So that was, you captured it, you did it, you know.

And so it was another way to touch people. And I think that's what I'm excited about this opportunity, is this another way to visually then tell the story that we've been. in town and just another way and raised the platform even. Yeah. Yeah. So there's so much about what you just said that I wanted to touch on. Well, I guess the ending, the talking about how through art you can touch people,

I think that's the thing that as a family we saw, you know, we had been about, like, we were children's minister, youth ministers, like we were wanting to spread the gospel in all kinds of ways, but we'd have never dreamed that the TV show would be something, how would impact people in that way. And I think that that for me was so impactful of just realizing like the power of entertainment and storytelling. And the Robertson family are great storytellers. And so it just, it just felt like, okay, God play something in our family's life to say like, oh, here's another way you can lead people to me that we would have never even thought of or realize. And since that, and I think that another thing that I was thinking of as you're talking is

the thing that I noticed about before, you know, I came into the Robinston family at 17 years old. I was just turned 18 whenever we got married. And just seeing the openness to the not perfection of we're not, we didn't have it all right. So they're filling case story, they always were willing to tell their story to use the hard parts of their story to help others through it. And I've seen that in y'all as well. And I think that whenever we did start talking about doing the movie, I actually was kind of surprised that Phil was at all hesitant because they've told it so much.

They've written books about it. They've done second videos. They talk about it a lot. And so at first I was surprised that they were at all resistant. But then, you know, you realize like, oh, it's a whole different thing seeing that on a screen. And I remember watching it for the first time with them. And, I mean, it broke my heart to watch those scenes. with them and just what they might be feeling and all that.

So I feel that same thing for you guys. It's like, I know. Watching them go through it, it's not easy to put your life out there on a screen. I think it would be harder. I think it's going to be really hard on our girls. Yeah. Because, you know, they were young. They were 10 and 12, something like that.

And their whole life since then has been so different. Yeah. And so I think it'll be kind of hard on them to see how their mom was. Not that they don't remember, but, you know, whenever you've had bad times and then you have good times, the good times seem to overtake those bad. And so it'll be interesting to watch them. Yeah. Well, I was just saying this to see it. Somebody recently, Lisa has a bite that she does at the end of one of our presentations when we talk about marriage.

Or maybe it's another one of our talks, but she talks about the way that people view her. And she says, you know, she talks about, in God's eyes, I'm this, and my husband's eyes, I'm this. In my daughter's eyes, I'm this. And it's a really powerful thing that she wrote out. And then the last one was in my grandchildren's eyes is this. And so every time she does it, of course, she gets teared up. I get teared up. I'm trying not to today.

I'm taking a big risk here. I was like, wow. To not give her a clamped here. But she, but it's so beautiful. And it hit me when she does that, that my grandchildren only know a completely healed woman. Yeah. All they've ever known. My daughters can't remember everything, but they remember some of it.

It's kind of like with me, with mom and dad, I have memories, but I have far more memories of the better. Right. But with grandkids, they only know this, this strong woman. So whenever they see her. they see a person they want to strive to be like, and they, you know, they just, they hold her in high, high esteem. And even Carly talked about that, you know, when she got married and won't have a marriage like ours, you know. And it was just, it was very humbling. And so I think about that that, you know, sometimes over time, that's what people see. But you're right, we've been willing to share that that, you know, we had to go through a process to them. So I still feel like the reason that we're very approachable from people and by people is because, they know they're not going to be judged by us because not only have we been in many situations like them, but we've been willing to talk about it. And we've been willing to say that, look, God can bring healing and redemption and forgiveness

through all these different things. And so that's the part I'm excited about that. And it will be hard. I mean, because like even when we talk about it, like we'll, like upcoming now, we've got like three straight marriage weekends and around. By the time we get to that third one, you know, we're looking at each other. And now it sounds like, whoa, you know, because you tell the story. Yeah.

Because we tell it every time, like, you know, we really tell it like it is. And we're less like I have to remind each other, okay, you know, how are you feeling about this? Well, I'm a little bit wiped out. But you know what? All through that process, you'll be dealing with people that are just like in that early two months of coming back from an affair. And so, and you never forget what that was like to live through that or to be like, Lisa, and to just be shattered and make you've lost your whole family. And that's where she was. She felt so isolated and alone.

And so people feel that way. And this little couple from yesterday is like, you know, his mom is like feeling that right now. So she's on her way back home to now face the consequences. And we remember what that was like, you know, and have to face the church. I mean, we all work for the church. And so, you know, those are heavy, heavy things, but you have to have community to do that. And I love what you said about the family with telling our stories because I love to tell people. They said, what do you think was the secret of success about?

about the show. And they'll have, everybody will have their ideas. And I know what it is. The secret to the success of Duck Dynasty was these were all our stories from, not just from what was happening dated at Duck Commander and, you know, whatever year we filmed. But these were all our stories from kids and your, you and Willie Story Camp. All those stories came through. And they were just told in different ways among, you know, our family.

It may be two different people that you're watching. But when we were kids, it may have been to somebody else's. but they were authentic and they were real. And like any show, you know, some of them wouldn't be funny if storylines, but I always thought that 75% or 80% of the stories we did on the show were stuff that actually happened to everybody. And they were all of our stories.

And the retelling of them and the way it was done and it was funny, but at the same time it was touching, I think is what really resonated with people. I mean, they just realized every family has stories. Some people don't want to tell their stories. And I always say, look, you're denying the pictures of God if you don't tell your stories, you know?

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It's like they understand even the bad, you know, and that's part of it too. You're just like, oh, and you have compassion. I just felt that compassion for, hey, what she was going to think. Compassion for a feel for the things that caused his alcoholism or the things in his early life that led him to that. You know, you feel that for people. And I think that's one thing about it's like we all relate in some way. Yeah.

We've all been in that place in marriage where we're like, all right, we need to go to the emergency room because something like this is, we have to figure out how to work through this. We've all been there as a teenager. and not, you know, not in necessarily the place of abortion, but of like, I've screwed up, you know, I've done something that I didn't think I would have done. Or we've all been in those places,

and I think that when people, you do put your life story out there, and that's what we've, I think we found over and over again. It's not that people are like, oh, look at them. It's people are like, oh, yeah, I've been there too, and I understand, and I feel a oneness with you because you're willing to tell the tree. And I thought about it, Corey, even like, you know, when dad crossed over on that Sunday right before Memorial Day, when we all got there, by the time we all got in that room together, because it took us a few minutes for everybody

in town to get there. And, you know, we're all packed in there. And I mean, he's still laying there in the bed. He's made the crossover. It's just his body. The spirit is, you know, on to what's next and great resurrection. And mom's there. And there were a couple tears shed, of course. But it It wasn't, but then we just started telling stories. Yeah. You remember? I mean, we just, and we started laughing and we would cry a little bit and we would laugh a little bit. But I just thought even in a moment like that where our patriarch is crossing over, it was still a moment like we could have shared some story like that on our show.

Yeah. Because it was still us. It was authentic. I mean, you know, and so even in moments like that where a lot of times if you don't have hope, if you don't have something bigger, if you don't have healing in a family, family, then those moments can be just torturous and treacherous and so, you know, agonizing and sad. And instead, for us, it was not any of that. I mean, it was like, man, this is what we all live for.

You know, I mean, this is what we're all doing. Well, because so many times families don't say on earth what they wanted to to their loved ones or they don't approach things with their families. Unresolved issues. Right. That they really wanted to. but I can truthfully say our whole family had had loved on Phil and told him we loved him and we had no unresolved issues and it was all just we were happy for him to be able to cross over

you know and I think that's part of the problem I think it's whenever you are in a family and you don't have that and you know a lot of times it has to do with a sexual abuse or or something like that yeah um i suffered that as a child too but um but i've even you know come to terms with that and and forgiven the person that did that to me but that's that's part of it i think i think you've got to get to the point where you see what christ has forgiven you for and you look at other people and you step in their shoes and you say, you know what, I can forgive them too. Yeah. And that's where Kay was, you know, even with Phil.

She had no unresolved. I mean, you know, she's just holding his hand and, you know, as he passes to the other side. And it's just, it was a beautiful thing, you know. It's the way it should be. And look, for me, you know, I mean, I turned 60 this year. So it hit me in the moment. I thought, and I've said this to sign. mom I was like now I don't know which one of y'all are actually at the plate but the other one's on deck and I'm in the hole like I'm standing at the top of the dugout so I'm realizing now how the batting order is working here and if it works the way it's supposed to I'm not very far from getting to the plate and so and they laughed you know so I was like hey I've struck out you know and but at the same time it's the natural it's what we do yeah and so you want to make an impact in this life and so we don't

I'm sure there could be a lot of movies made about a lot of amazing stories that won't get made. But to have that opportunity for us, if it does happen, is something we'll cherish. Because it allows that to then speak even beyond us. And that's what I told Dad. I said, Dad, you realize there'll be people watch this movie that will have heard of you, that followed you, that never meet you in this life. And yet you'll impact them because of that, because of putting yourself out there. to a level that they will find you in heaven. Yeah.

They will find you in the next life. There is no doubt that has happened. And it has happened. Because we have met several. We had one at our marriage refresh last year that did their testimony. And he literally had a complete transformation in the theater. I mean, he could not speak going home to his wife. And when he finally did, he was ready to change his life and has.

And so stories like that, I mean, just, and I know there are so many, you know, that they're going to be. I said, so, Dad, they're going to find you. They're going to find you there, you know. So there's a policeman there. I got to find him, you know, for turning me around. So, I mean, that's what's going to happen in eternity. We're going to make those connections. Yeah.

And I'm not worried about people seeing, I mean, I'm not excited about people seeing the difficulties and the struggles that I've had. But what I'm very excited about is to see what God can do whenever you have those struggles. Right. And whenever you lay your life down for him. and say, okay, remake me. You know, make me in the image that you want me to be. And that's what I'm excited for people to see

is what God truly can do, you know, even with the worst of us. Yeah. But when you face your worst moments in the moment, when God can bring you through those, then you're ready to face those again, even in a movie screen 25 years later. And I don't think I told this story the last time we were on with Sadie, but just a few weeks after we'd gotten back together,

and we're still very raw and very just, you know, we're healing. So, you know, everything is very, you know, we're like a little horse that just got born and he's wobbly, you know, and you're not wanting to, like, push him too hard. And we were about to pull in at Walmart down here, and Lisa looks at me, and she has a real panic look on her face, and I was like, what is it? And she said, let's just go home. We don't need to go to Walmart. And I was like, what is it?

Because, you know, now we're building honesty and trust. So it's like, what is it? You know, because I can tell she was upset. Yeah. And she said, he's turning in. And I knew who she met, the person that she had the affair with. And so I started to pull out for us to leave. And then I just, you know, I just will give Holy Spirit credit.

I just said, no, we're not doing that. You know, we are not, this is our town. We live here. You chose me. I said, are you still choosing me? And she said, well, of course I'm choosing you. I said, then we're not going to do it. We're not going to run.

from any situation like this. And so I got right back in that lane and we pulled into Walmart and we didn't see them so we go into the store and when you know it, in about 10 minutes we come around corner to corner and it's buggy to buggy. Wow.

I mean, it's like, bop, you know, and he's there with a woman, we're here and we look at each other and they turned the buggy and went the other way. And, you know, it was very hard for Lisa. It wasn't easy for me that day, your stomach's and knots.

But when we left there that day, I felt like that was a victory statement that we're going to overcome this. And we don't have to run it anymore from any of that. And ironically, that's 25 years ago and we've never seen them since. But in the moment, I feel like that was a test for us. And so I say all that to say, you know, when you think about watching a movie, you know, where your wife is going to have an affair with somebody, however we portrayed that, you guys portrayed that, you know, you will have to live that by seeing it.

But at the same time, once you've dealt with it head on, and you've been doing that for 25 years, it's not the most frightening thing imaginable to me because the Almighty already has that. Yeah. This helps the person that's sitting there that has had an affair that hasn't been able to tell their spouse.

Right. Or maybe one day they'll be faced with that and hopefully you're trying to avert that from ever happening. So that's what you do about telling your story. Because you're seeing the victory. Exactly. And I remember, I remember y'all talking about

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And so that took me, you know, a long time. But the more that I grew and read God's word. and, you know, one of, I read Psalms and Proverbs all the time. And, you know, I read for weeks, I read David's account in Psalm 51, right? And just to know that God called him a man after his heart. And I thought, wow, I didn't murder anybody, you know. I wasn't even as bad as he was, but it really helped to go in and read his words, and to continually ask God to create in me a clean heart. I've never had a clean heart. I want a

clean heart. And, I mean, just to daily feast on that. But I would say it probably, you know, it probably took me at least a year to feel confident in the woman that I was. And, you know, the first time we shared it, I was scared to death because I thought, you know, there might be new people in here. They've never heard this. And, you know, then they're not going to like me. They're going to have fault with me. But again, that was the evil one, you know, coming in and whispering those little lies. And it's really funny. So we did that. We spoke at our church. And I guess it's been five years, and afterwards, one of the guys from CR came and said, I've been holding a grudge against you for five years for you doing that to Al. I just want to let you know that

I forgive you. And, I mean, that was pretty amazing, you know, but I thought I wouldn't even have known that, you know. I knew the guy. And I'd been around him, but I had no idea. Well, Annie asked you for forgiveness. Yeah, for him not forgiven you, you know, which was, and all of a sudden it was back on Lisa. And she was like, well, I didn't know that I had hurt you that badly, but I am so sorry. And yes, I accept your forgiveness. Will you accept my, you know, so it was a beautiful moment.

It was. It really was. But at that point, I thought, you know, God's done an amazing thing. and I cannot continue to allow the evil one to try to hold my tongue. You know, let's don't talk about this. You know, after we did our book, oh, my goodness, that was rough because, you know, my whole family read the book and a lot of it they didn't know. And because she was honest about a lot of stuff from her childhood that led to a lot of her mindset.

And that obviously then outed some people, you know, without naming people. Right. It was all out there. And I got multiple emails, you know, from cousins. But then... Who had similar faiths, yeah. Right. But then, you know, my mom's reaction, you know, was just guilt.

And my mom was like, well, this just makes me look bad. You know, for you to put this in print, this just makes me look bad. And I said, Mom, I don't know how you get that. Because throughout the book, I have said, this was. was not your fault. Yeah. And I don't blame you. And she said, well, I mean, you might say that,

but everybody else is going to, you know, feel like, you know, I was a terrible parent. She's now dealing with that same shame thing Lisa went through that she's dealing with it herself. But I also learned that she had so much of that same background, things that had happened to me that she had never dealt with. Wow. So it brought it all back up for her. but then she felt it for me.

So it was, I mean, you know, it was tough. But, of course, if I could boil it down into two things, which is one of the things to do it when we present about marriage, the way we saw past and actually could get a glimpse of that grandparent thing you're talking about, which, by the way, the last slide we show is our whole family. Yeah. And every time we do it, usually at least is at the end, and she can never not cry, you know, because there's that picture of all those.

as grandkids, stand in front of our house, and it's like this was the picture that, you know, that we didn't know what's going to happen, but did happen. But it was two things. One, as she mentioned it, for her, for Lisa, it was honesty and openness. They had to be there. It's what had been missing in our life. It had been missing in our marriage. So she had to, that had to be her new North Star. That was good. Had to be open, had to be honest. And you had to trust that even though if it was bad, we were still going to be open and honest. And for me, because I wasn't always a good receiver of openness and honesty, I was helping, you know, push her into darkness because I didn't realize it. But I was overreacting every time instead of just trying to find a way to deal with it.

So my two things I had to live, and I have to this day since, is forgiveness and grace. I mean, if that's the way God's going to deal with us, that was the way I was going to have to deal with her and me and us. And so when those two things synced up and became the two powerpoints of our life going forward, then it's changed every. everything. Yeah. And it allowed us to see past even the mistakes and shortfalls and everything happened from that point forward. And so that became the key. And so when we talked to couples, and that's just our experience, it could be different things for different people. But if infidelity, especially has ever been a part of, those are the two things that have to, you know, be part of your

bedrock going forward. And look, it takes a commitment to that. Because in those early years, you want to use what's happened as a way to then create, you know, new pathways and something to do better, but all that does is continue to live in the past. You can't move forward unless you're willing to say, I don't want to use anything you've done or I've done to hurt us going forward. That's what God's forgiveness does. That's why he says he'll remember our sins no more. It's not that he he's like a terrible, like absent-minded God and can't remember stuff. He's God. He knows everything. But what he's saying is, I'm not going to keep bringing it up. I'm not going to use it.

I'm going to choose to let you heal. And so that's kind of been the key for us. And that's what we try to get across to other people. And if you can live that life of everyday openness and honesty and grace and forgiveness, then when you'll be able to handle anything, because if you can live it little, you can live it big. And so that's kind of our thrust in what we tried to, you know, convince. That's so powerful. That's so good.

And I feel like, I remember. when we talk a lot about the Duck Dynasty episode, we're filling Kay renewed their vows. And I remember... My debut. That's right. That's when Lisa and I came on the show. That's right.

Well, it's my favorite episode because, of course, it was your debut. But because it was that picture of these two people who chose that, who chose that. And I always say, like, it's repentance and forgiveness. They both had to choose it to come together to create

what we were experiencing. in that moment. Had they not, we would not be there. And then their test, you know, came a few years later when they get a letter that this person says she's dad's daughter. And, you know, I've told this story before that in mom's reaction was, Phil, you know I've always wanted a daughter other than Jeb. That's not sure. I made that up. You added that part. Yeah, yeah. I've always wanted a daughter. And now it's taken me 44 years to get one. Well, a person only says that if they really

meant they forgave him 44 years early and so that that was the I looked at that and I watched that I thought wow you go mom I mean like she showed she meant it when she was to even make a statement like that and so it's just it to live that is so important and you're right I tell people about that episode because I talk about it being our debut and and I always say if willie had me on from the beginning there's no telling where this show could have gone because that was the highest rated episode in the history of cable television that's right because of my debut and sure and But I said, if you'll look at people's faces when they were doing close-ups of people during the little ceremony we did. And it was very small.

I mean, it took us a while to film, but it was just a few minutes. There were tears in everybody's eyes. Yeah. Because that was a moment for all of us. I mean, we all realized as we were sitting there with our spouses and, you know, our families, that our patriarch and matriarch paved the way through forgiveness and love. And that's why we were all sitting there. And so it touched us all deeply, you know, to be in that moment. So, again, that's the, to me, the success of the show was the real stories of who we were.

And even our moments like that, we were willing to say it hadn't always been easy. And mom even says that in her vows, you know, it hasn't always been easy, you know. And honesty, I think. And it's an honest look at our lives. In today's world, there's not a lot of honest look into other people's lives. You know, a lot of people don't think there's, you know, what is the truth? You know, there's no absolute truth. And we feel as though, yes, there is absolute truth.

We know there's absolute truth. But it's not taught, you know, in today's society. It's like whatever your truth is, then that's what truth is. And, you know, you have to have those hard conversations even with your children and grandchildren. No, there is an absolute truth is. absolute truth. And if you pick up your Bible, you will find that absolute truth. And, you know, there's no what you think and what we think. It's what the Bible says. Now, we might have different ideas on what that scripture's talking about. Um, are different ways we use that. Yeah.

But at the same time, there is an absolute truth. And, you know, and it's God. And it's his word. And that is a way. That's right. A better wife. And you brought up earlier going to God's word and finding, like, assurance in that that God could love you even in your worst and in your brokenness. And I think that's a thing. I think people sometimes are scared to go to God's word because they're like, oh, it's going to be going to be, like, hit over the head with it. But instead, if you open up his word and you actually really, like, pay attention to the stories and the people that God use, every one of them are messed up and broken. and broken and flawed and all that.

And it's such a story. If you really pay attention, you're like, oh, no, like God uses people like me or people that I could look out and be like, well, that was way worse than anything I've ever done. And so I think that that is one thing that people can maybe are scared of with God's word because they have been kind of beat over the head with it sometimes instead of saying like, oh, no, like this is a love story from God to you and to these people that are who, his people that he's brought. I was preaching a sermon recently last said the one thing, it was from the Old

Testament, so the one thing I love about the Old Testament is that all the good guys are flawed and all the bad guys are still people too. Yeah. You know, and there's still people that God loves and wants to save. And so, you know, it's hard to tell some of the time. You read some of those Old Testament stories, who are the good guys and who are the bad guys? Just know that they're all flawed, and the bad guys are still people too. Right.

You know, and they may have got it wrong. Maybe be falling a false guy, but God has always wants to. teach them the right way. And so it was, you know, talking about Rahab and some of the stories of the Old Testament. But that's powerful when you think about it, that all of us are flawed. Yeah. And there was only one that wasn't, and it was our Savior. Yeah. And yet he said he loves, he's so unashamed of us, he calls us his family, which is very special. Yeah. That's beautiful. All right. Well, this was awesome. I want to talking to y'all. Is there anything I didn't ask you that you want to talk about or want to say? Not really. I don't think so. I mean,

I will say this. We're so, you know, we talk a lot about our matri-ar, our patriarch, mom, and dad. And before we started rolling the cameras, we were talking about your grandmother, who's my next-door neighbor right across the street. Your parents are my next-door neighbor on the other side. And your daughter is right behind me. And in this compound, and this compound living that we do. But I just, I'm so proud to see.

I love the new show. I love the idea of the revival because it means that, we live forward. Yeah. You know, and to now, every time I go through the tour and at the end of the tour, there's a big picture of 2014. We were all filming the show. And it's just a snapshot of one time.

And so your kids are teenagers in the picture. And I've got two young granddaughters at the time, now one married. And your kids are married. And I just look at the population that that group has now become in just really 10 or 11 short years. And I realize that's the beauty of getting to be here. together and do what we do. And you guys are getting to do it again, which is fantastic. And we love getting to watch it again, along with the rest of America, just to see what happens as you live that legacy out and to see you guys as grandparents like us. And we're really all, somebody said,

well, you're the patriarch of your family. And I said, well, not really. I mean, I'm the oldest brother, but we're all patriarchs in our own family. And that's the beauty. And I'm so proud of my brothers and my sister for being the matriarch of her clan, because that's what we do. I mean, we are doing that in faith. And so we aren't encouraging our kids to stay married. And like Lisa said, to believe who God is and to raise up our grandchildren and then their children. And so to get to experience that together and to get to do it by even living in the same zip code the way we do. And still stay so busy is a joy.

And I cherish every moment that I get with your kids and your grandkids. And it's just a beautiful thing. It's funny because somebody will say, hey, Sadie was here, or Willie was here. Oh, Jace was over here. You know, and we're like, oh, really? And they're like, well, you don't even know where they're going? And we're like, no.

Well, people are saying, they're like, y'all just kind of like all live on top of each other. What's that like? And we're like, you know, you still really have to be intentional about seeing one another because our lives are busy. Yeah. Even though we're at the podcast studio in the same warehouse. I'll see the light on.

I know Sadie's here. Yeah, but you still, yeah, do. You need that intentional catch-up time because we do have all have busy lives. and big growing families. And as you were saying that about the legacy, I would listen to a podcast of the day and he said, how much you care? He asked the host, he was like,

how much you care about if four generations from now know your name? And the host was like, well, I don't have any kids and I'll die, I don't really care. He was like, no, you need to care. And just thinking about, it brought me back to the Bible and how that generational and the legacy and he was like, what you do matters

for the next generation. And the next generation and the next generation And, like, the more we, as a society, living for today, living for ourselves, you know, and you don't care about that next generation, that affects everybody, you know. And I love that. I've got a picture of a guy that looks just like dad, and it's his great-grandfather, Judge Jeptha Robertson, who Jep's named after. And my granny told me two stories about him. I know he was a judge, and I know he got shot on a levy by a federal officer over some cows. that's all I know about

is Judge Sheth the Robertson and so and that's my great great grandfather but I thought how sad that I don't know anything else about that man's life other than he looks just like dad in that 1850s

and yet I said look at what how many people are going to know about my dad because he's out there preaching and there's movie about him and there's all this stuff we should want to know

about our ancestry as well as we should care we should care about that next generation the next yeah well this is great love visiting with y'all now that we're all grandparents.

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