WHOA That's Good Podcast - How I Learned to Trust God Without All the Answers | Sadie Robertson Huff | Jenny Marrs | Korie Robertson

Episode Date: February 4, 2026

Jenny Marrs never dreamed she’d live on a farm — let alone be the star of a reality TV show about her family (Fixer to Fabulous is seven seasons in!). But as she shares with Sadie and Korie in this special episode, life with her husband, Dave, and their five kids is one she’s genuinely grateful for. The ladies talk about what it’s really like living normal life while also being on reality TV, how their kids handle strangers asking for photos, and the boundaries they’ve set when it comes to fan interactions. Jenny opens up about a season when she felt completely out of control as she navigated infertility — and how God stripping away her pride and self-reliance helped her realize that true contentment and joy come only through Him. Sadie reflects on the frantic pace of life when you’re outside of God’s will, and Jenny reminds us why remembering what God has already done matters so much. Jenny’s book, Trust God, Love People, is available now! This Episode of WHOA That's Good is Sponsored By: https://drinkAG1.com/whoa — Get 3 AG1 Travel Packs, 3 AGZ Travel Packs, and Vitamin D3+K2 FREE in your Welcome Kit with your first subscription order when you use my link! https://fastgrowingtrees.com/whoa — Get 20% off your next purchase with code WHOA at checkout! https://www.ponchooutdoors.com/whoa — Get $10 of and free shipping on your first order! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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They have a new season of their show, Fixer to Fabulous. I'm going to make sure I said that right. I was like, about to say it wrong. They have a new season of their show, season seven, which is crazy. And she has a new book out. Mom, hold it up, shout it out. Here we go. Trust God, love people.

And I'm so excited that I just read this because I've known you for a long time, but reading your book now I know all the details. And it's so, so sweet. And it was so good. And I'm so inspired. So we're going to talk a lot about this book today. Yes. Mom sent over.

So I did my prep and she did her prep. And I went the podcast route listening to podcast. You've been on it. She went the book route reading the book around. reading the book. And I was like, oh, that's good. Like, I need to read this whole book. So I was thinking this morning, I was thinking I was like, it's like the book, I feel like what's so good about it is, it's like a great dinner conversation with you. It's like, I got to sit down and then I left so inspired. And I was like, it's not like a coffee conversation because that's like light.

Yes. It's like long dinner. And my best favorite kind. That's right. And just getting to know you and just leaving so inspired by your story and all the things God taught you in it. And it. So I'm excited for the word that's good listeners to get to hear all that. Yes. I love that. I have to say before I ask you the question, we ask everybody to kick out the podcast. One of my favorite things is when we have guests coming and like people start to hear who we have coming and they're like, oh, I have to be there that day.

And when we were like, oh, Jenny Mars is coming. Bella was like, Jenny's coming. I have to make sure I'm there. And then I get here today and Bella's here and my grandma's here and everyone's like waiting to see you. And that's just the best. And so we're grateful that you're here today. Bella and I watched a lot of picture to Fabulate.

when she was a teenager. That was one of our shows that we got to just like sit down and watch together and love so much. I love that. I'll never forget you calling me about your new show

whenever it first started because we knew each other before that. I know. And even the title, you've been like, this is the title and the same thing for us

for Duck Dynasty. I remember like we had all these name ideas for our show and then they were like, we're thinking Duck Dynasty and we're like, what?

And then it became perfect. But same for y'all. Same. Fixer Fabulous was not your... At all. No, I was like, fabulous. never say fabulous. But now I catch myself saying fabulous a lot. But yes, I remember that conversation.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Okay. That's so cute. We'll dive into all of it. But first, Jenny, I'm putting you on spot. I know. Hang on. I've got to pull up my note. I love it. She came ready and prepared for the best piece of advice. She has ever been given. So hit it. Okay. Now that is a lot. I ever been given. So I apologize to my mom and my grandmas because I was like, surely, I had some good advice. Oh, true. Mom has given this to me. You don't remember anything that I told you? I'm like, they're just so ingrained.

I couldn't remember the exact words. That's right. No, but because of today. So actually, Corey reminded me of this question, and I just was praying about it this morning. I was like, Lord, oh my gosh, I really don't know. What is my best advice? And so he brought to mind, and it's funny you say this,

because, and I talk about it here, a conversation you and I had that I'm thankful we had on text because I can read it now. Okay, so it was in 2019. So the show had just started airing, and I'm like going to get emotional about it because it was, we got this letter in the mail. It was typed, which was kind of creepy, like in a typewriter. And it was really awful and evil and, like, terrified me. And it was about our family and what our family looks like and about one of our kiddos.

And I was, I mean, I'm like shaking, thinking about it because it was. horrible. And I opened this letter and I'm like, oh my gosh, I've never seen something so evil. So I texted you, Corey, because I knew that you had raised your kids in this weird world of being in front of a camera. And I at that point was still so unsure if we were doing the right thing. And I had prayed about it so much. And I was like, Lord, I don't know. Do we include the kids? Do we protect the kids? Because everybody makes that decision differently. And you guys had walked through this. And so I had texted you because I really don't know what to do. And you texted back. Bella and I actually watched one of your episodes last night. I pray that you won't let this stop you. I firmly believe that positive,

hopeful family entertainment, particularly that shows a husband and a wife that love each other and respect one another and a family that stays together is so important. We need more families like yours saying yes to being a light that is so often the darkness and the entertainment world. Keep going. Oh, my gosh, I do remember that. I remember that conversation right then because I was like, no, don't let this stop you. Because we had seen how important it is for people to see it. And we'd also seen the dark side and know that it can be. And I know Sadie has wrestled with that, you know, with putting her kids on television and everything now again.

But, you know, we just always come back to that. It's like we are called to something. greater and we have the spirit of God living in us. We're not called to live in fear. And oh, I'll say it's really cool because I hear moms say this all the time. They're like, I always listen to my podcast with my daughter because she hears it from you different than she hears it from me. Like I've said the same thing so many times. But it's actually really cool to hear that from my mom because when I was wrestling with like, should we share our kids on social media and TV and all that, I was really praying through it. And of course, my mom has done that

and says those types of things. But I remember, it was, remember Alexa, kind of Vega that I reached out to you because she shares her family. And she said very similar to what my mom said to you, to me, she was like the, you know, if Hollywood's not going to show faith-based families, a husband and wife who love each other

and their kids who respect and all that different stuff, then like we need to do that on social media. Like we had the platform to be able to do it. So I encourage you to do it. And she was like, don't let fear hold you back. And I always think about that conversation. And so it's cool that God used her to speak that to me, even though I know that. But it was like another peer saying it.

And so that is really, really cool. And I always tell this story about because I had this moment of fear as well. I mean, we had a show happening and then said he got asked to do dance with the stars. And that was my moment of like, oh, am I really going to send mine? She was 16 at the time. 16 year old to Hollywood and just that fear of like, is this the right decision? Because we had this protection of family in a, in a, sense, you know, but this was like her really going off on her own. And I had a friend speak the same

thing. Basically, she just said, she said that. She said, she has a spirit of God and her. Like, she does not need to be afraid. You do not need to be afraid. And it was just the perfect voice at the right time to speak truth. You know, we all need that to go to somebody in that moment. And I think now, looking back now that we're in season seven, because it was, like, our kids have grown up with their life. And the same, we have this sort of protection there in Bentonville. Like, it's just our life. People are like, oh, how do you stay grounded? And it's, we just are doing our life. And then there's cameras there. We're not in Hollywood. It's not, nothing. It's not glamorous. But once it started airing, everything felt different. And it felt like this. Oh, we just opened ourselves up.

And it felt more real. And now it doesn't feel that way. Now it's just that at the beginning. But I also am like, you know what? I prayed so much over whether we should do this. I prayed so much over whether to include our kids. I prayed so much about Dave and I and us to be strong and us to be a light. And it's funny that you said the word light. And I mentioned it in the book because that was, God kept speaking that over me, like, be a light, be a light. And he knew that was the, this is the path for my kids all along. So I don't have to control and be protective of, obviously as a mom, we want to protect our kids. And that was always my concern going into whether or not to say yes to the show was about the kids. And so it was, but it's amazing because I like, look at you right now.

And I'm like, you grew up in this weird world. And look at what, how God's, using you. And so I think that about my kids. He knew what their path was. He knew this is their childhood. And yes, it wasn't what I would have planned, but it's better. And he's going to use it. Yeah. I had to tell myself that with praying for our kids. I was like, I was the kid. I was the kid. And yes, there were a lot of hard things. And yes, I saw the dark side and had letters I wish I'd never read. But at the same time, God has been so faithful. And I didn't have the spirit of God in me. We were right before this. I don't want you to forget what you're about to say. Right before this, we were talking about the David movie. And last night, honey, we were watching it.

And she said, how is that little bitty boy, David, going to kill that really big man, Goliath? Like how? She kept asking me, because you know, honey, asked him, though. And I'm up until that question, I've been like, watched the movie, just watched the movie, wait, and you were going to see. But that time stopped and I actually answered her question. I was like, because he is the spirit of God in him. Like, you're going to see. He is spirit of God. Because that's what David's. says, he's like, I'm anointed. Like, I've actually already killed Lions and Bears my own hand. So who are you to come against my God?

And it makes me think of that with the kids. It's like, they have the spirit of God in them. How is that little bitty kid going to go on national TV? Because they're the spirit of God in them, you know? That's like that same message. So true. So good. Well, yeah, I was just thinking about that it really doesn't serve our kids or ourselves

well to not do hard things. Like we are meant to do hard things. And whenever I think it is important for us to, I think, in this day and age, there is that like everyone wants to protect their kids so much. And there is a lot of things that we need to protect our kids from, no doubt. But also, we need to empower our kids to know that like with God in them, like you can do hard things. And your life is a model of that. Like you didn't always choose the easy route in your life. And we're going to talk about that. Also, I was thinking, like, as I was reading, and I love your title of your book. But I was also like, you could have

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I want to talk about so many aspects of your story, but I want to start with, because we've talked about fixture fabulous, people might recognize you from that. But the story of even just like y'all's home and it not being exactly what you thought your life was going to be, Can you first just tell us, like, when you and your husband met, like, what did you think your life was going to look like? And then how it pivoted. Well, when I was younger, I always wanted to live in a big city. That was, I imagined going to New York and being in, I don't know. Do you remember the show Melrose Place?

Yeah. You don't. Yes. Yes. So the one of the people, I don't even know. I don't, somebody on the show was an advertising executive. And so I was like, I'm going to be an advertising executive. I have no idea why.

I didn't even know what that meant. Power of influence. Yeah. It was just, yes. And I was just like, I'm going to wear a suit, which I know. What? I don't know. And so then when Dave and I met, we both were living in separate cities.

We were working in corporate America at the time. Dave wanted to quit, move to Arkansas, where his family was now at that point, and start building. And I was like, yeah, sure, we'll go to Arkansas. I actually didn't know, this is terrible, but I didn't know where Arkansas was on a map. It's somewhere over there. I don't know. we had driven through one time and stopped at his parents one time and so I'd sort of seen it and we just moved there

so it was one of those like okay sure but I was young we didn't have kids and so you can do those things but no I never expected to stay there a long term we were going to live there for two years and then moved back to Florida where I'm from that was the plan that's what we told my mom she still talks about that but we got there and we just started building this life and like it just I don't know now It is home, of course. And then we were living in our cute little downtown.

We moved out to the farm, which, again, was, like, not something we actually planned. You got to tell some of that story. Yeah. It's a really cool story. It's a really crazy. Yeah, we had bought. So Dave had gone to, he goes to the land auction every year, the tax auction. And he got, this was a long time ago, got this piece of property very inexpensively.

And we, you know, he was building. So we knew at some point we would probably develop that land. It was way outside of it. town at the time. Now it's not, but at the time we're like, okay, we'll hold on to that. We held on to it for years. And then he was hired to demolish this old house downtown by our church at the time. They were expanding the parking lot and building. And so there was this old house on the property and they wanted to get rid of it. So he took me over there and he was like, I'm supposed to tear this house down. And we had the key and we walked through it. And we're like, this house is, you know,

you just walk into a house and you can feel it. I'm like, this house is so. special. We cannot, how can you tear this down? This is terrible. And we love old homes. And at the time we were renovating and old homes together. And I was like, what, you know, what are we going to do? And he's like, well, I talked them into giving us this house and I can move it. And then I'll clean up the lot for them. So it actually saves them money. I'm like, wait, how can you move a house? I didn't know at the time. You could do that, but you can. We had a lot downtown. We planned to move it, renovate it and sell it. While there is a law saying you can't move a house within city limits at the time,

and that's just so random. Like, how did this come to be? I wonder why. Somebody was on the interstate with a house. They said no more. No more. So we were like, okay, what do we do? And we knew we had this land outside of town.

So he was like, why don't we just move it out there? And again, we had just, I didn't mention this, but we had just built our dream home at this point. And we were living. And we just had been living there for a year. The boys were little. So we moved to the house, though, and we didn't know what we'd do with it. And we started renovating it. And over the course of the year of renovating it, that's when we started our adoption process.

We had gone at that point to Congo and back. And we were like, you know what? What are we doing? Like, this house we have out here, it was small. It was half the size of our current house that we had just built. It was out in the, you know, the country. at the time. And we're like, let's just go. Let's move there and let's downsize. And we had the two boys. The boys were two. Or no, they were 18 months, almost two. And it was just like this new life of

simplifying, letting them run around outside. And it was so perfect. And then Sylvie came home. Charlotte was born. And it was just like mass chaos. I mean, it was wonderful. Like all these answered prayers. But we doubled the size of our family and halved the size of our living. But it was so good. And it was like exactly what, like, why do we need all this stuff and the space? We had space outside. And I don't know, that choice really kind of changed the, I think, a lot of our life and the way we live our life that we're living on this farm now. I think I was surprised to know that you weren't like a farm girl growing up because you're such a farm. Like you love your animals so much.

You like spend the night with them when they're sick. I love following you on Instagram. If you don't follow Jenny on Instagram, go follow her. Because you just have all of life, you know, in your Instagram. But yeah, you have such a love for animals. but you didn't grow up that way. No, I mean, I grew up loving animals, but we didn't. My parents were not animal people.

So I'd always ask if we could bring animals home and they'd always say no. But we did have a dog. We had a beagle. Bowser. He was awesome. But, yeah, no, I didn't. I grew up in Orlando, like in a suburb. And I just, we just moved out there.

We started bringing home animals and then bringing home more. And a neighbor had a sheep that needed to be bottle fed. And I was like, yeah, absolutely. Give that to me. We had a calf that needed to be. So anybody who had like extra animals that didn't have a home, they just came to us. Wow, that is so cool. I know that wasn't like what you expected in your life.

Like you thought you were going to be in a suit in the city and living that kind of life and now you're on a farm. But when you look back at your younger self, like do you see God preparing you for that? Yes, absolutely. I do. Yeah, I can. I can see. I love, we would go as kids, we went to North Carolina. that was where my grandparents had a little cabin

and that was like some of my happiest times and memories not that I wasn't happy at home, but it was just like this beautiful, like we just would explore and go hiking and just being out in nature. And Arkansas, where the northwest corner reminds me of North Carolina. And so it's funny because I'm like,

oh, this is like the best of, you know, the place that I loved and then we have the community there. And yeah, I can. And that's cool. I think about that, like even with a husband, And I remember, like, thinking what I want, like, make a list, all this stuff. And then I met Christian. I'm like, oh, you're actually who I want.

Like, that was based off of just, like, things I had seen. But when I think about, like, who I am as a person, you're the perfect fit for me. You know, it's like, you kind of have these dreams. Like, this is what I think I want to be based on things you've seen or looked at or inspired by. But then whenever it happens and it's different than what you thought or you pictured, you look back and you're like, oh, but this makes so much more sense. Like, this is so who I am, you know. Yeah. But I think looking back, you can say that.

But then, like, if you really think about it, I love, like, whenever you write, you write, you remember, like, oh, actually it wasn't that easy. Like, in the moment, it was a stretch. In the moment, it was hard. You talked about a lot about, like, those first years in Arkansas and how hard it was. And I think a lot of people listening are kind of in that phase. A lot of people. We have a lot of 20-year-olds who just moved from college. And what does that look like?

and how does, like, what did God kind of teach you in that moment? Can you, like, go back to that, yourself at that age? Yes, I had grown up. I love how you guys, your whole family's here. Like, you guys are all so close and there's cousins, and it's just, it's so sweet because that's how I grew up. And in Orlando, everyone was there. I mean, we, my grandma watched us during the day.

We had family dinners all the time. Like, we traveled together. We did everything together. And so moving, I was the first person to move away. and I moved to Arkansas, which no one knew where it was, somewhere over there. And it was that lack of familiarity. It was so hard at first.

I remember driving down the street one day, and I called my mom, and I was just crying hysterically. And she's like, what's wrong? What's wrong? And I'm like, there's no palm trees here. I love palm trees. And just those things that, like, it didn't feel like home. It didn't feel like home for a long time.

When people would ask where I'm from, I would always say Florida, but I live in Arkansas. and that just took time. It took time finding places that, like I talk about in the book, like I figured out, like, oh, this is a way to get to my office, like a back road way, and this is familiar. And I love this taco shop and I love this coffee shop. And Dave and I being there together, it was for me, we had dated long distance for about

almost two years at that point. And being there together without, like his family. was there, but for me, I was still getting to know them. They would embrace me, but it still wasn't my family. It wasn't my familiarity and my friends. Like, we were able to sort of start our life in a way that was sort of just us. Like, we had to rely on one another and on God. And he taught me, like, it's okay. This is unfamiliar. And that's kind of why, I think that's part of why he moved me there, is like to get me away from everything that I'd known just to figure out who he really was. because, and I think in that season I really learned so much about him and he was preparing me.

You know, I can look back and see the reparation that was taking place. And I think that a lot of times, and I talk about a lot, and these waiting seasons, like those seasons are when God's preparing us for what's next, even though they're really hard in the moment. And you don't see it. You're like, I don't know, I don't think he's preparing me. I think this just is hard. Yeah. But when afterwards you can look back and see.

And I do think it's really important to look back too. Because if you don't, then you miss it. You know, if you don't take the time, because usually we're just, and I do this all the time, I think the book was really helpful for me to stop and look back because I'm so busy going to the next thing. I'm always doing the next thing and we're so busy. So I don't have a lot of time to say, huh, what happened 10 years ago? You know, so doing the book really helped me. And what did God teach me in that moment?

Yeah. Yeah. And I saw all these little connection points through writing the book of how God was working that I, truly didn't know at the time. And, you know, I'd pray before I sat down to write, and sometimes I would write something. I'm like, oh, my gosh, I forgot about that. Yes. I completely forgot that that happened. Yeah. That's important. That's so cool. I used to think that plants were something you dealt with once you had a yard and your life was fully together, but there's just something about adding greenery to any space that instantly makes it feel calmer and more intentional. Fast green trees

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Offer is valid for a limited time. Terms and conditions may apply. Check out the link below or in the show notes to support this show. I love that you share that because I feel like a lot of people are in that season or just in that time of like moving and it doesn't feel like home. And I love that you say it's okay that it doesn't feel at home. right now and it's okay that it's like going to take time. But over time, you do establish those roots. Like I was actually thinking about this. I hadn't thought about this until you said it.

But like for so long when people would ask me and Christian like where y'all are from, like we're married, but he would still say, I'm from Florida and she's from Louisiana. And like now when people ask where we're from, we're like, we're from Louisiana. Even though like, yes, he is from Florida. That's where his family is. That's like where his childhood like that will always be so special and so amazing. But it's like we've established a home now. We've established a family now, you know? Like, even at that at first where it's like you forget that your last name is your new last name. But like, oh, now it is.

Yeah. Like, it just takes time for those things to kind of sink in. One thing, do you want to, I didn't want to jump over. But one thing that I really want to talk about in your story is the years of infertility and praying for a family. I think that one thing that is hard for people in those waiting seasons is when you have something in your mind that. you view, this is like where I want my life to go and then for whatever reason it's not happening, whether it is a family or a husband you're praying for or a job you want to have or a move you're waiting on. And it's like, I know I want to get there, but it's out of my control and how

to get there. Can you talk to us about that time of your life? Yeah, that was a, that was the lesson is it's out of my control. And it was, I think for Dave and I both were very much like type A, work hard, people please her, like all growing up, I was always, you know, getting good grades and doing all the right things and doing all the, and anything that I said, oh, I want to do that. I just did it. Like I figured out how to make it, you know. So when we decided to start a family, we were like, okay, now, I mean, we had traveled, we done all the stuff. Like, okay, now we're ready. All right, let's do that. And it was the first time that we're like, oh, wait, we actually can't just say we're ready and let's do this, you know. It actually was the first time that we realized

we don't control everything. Like we actually had to learn to really rely on God. And it was, we had been a Christian my whole life. And I never had had that level of, okay, this is really not in my control, Lord. This is really you. And I really had to release it. And I had to say, even if I don't understand this, and even if I still trust that you're good. I had to get to that point. It took a long time to get there, years to get there. And, oh, it was just every,

I also feel like, I feel like every month, you know, when you're going through infertility every month, you're like, you feel hopeful, and then you're defeated, and you can't, it's just this rollercoaster of exhausting emotions, and then you're going to the doctor and you're the patient and you're just exhausted. And in that season, I just was really, really, I mean, I got to like the last, lowest low of like, why, why? I don't understand this. But I also knew God had planted this desire in my heart. It wasn't something that I came up with on my own. And actually as a kid, I wasn't like this, I was never like, I kind of like I didn't know I would want to live on a farm. I didn't, I knew I wanted to be a mom, but it wasn't like, I want to be a wife and a mom. That's my, you know, my calling in life

as a kid. And so when it hit, when I decided I wanted to be a mom, I'm like, I know this, this is a good thing. And this is coming from you. this is a desire of my heart that you place there. So I know I can trust you that if this is here, there's a reason for it. And even still, like it was just, I mean, it was so hard. But we start, I started to get, I would say, super frantic. Like we started, okay, we knew, we had actually talked about adoption before, well before we started deciding to build a family. And we knew it was something we thought would possibly be for us. And so then we're like, okay, maybe we're just, maybe this is God's way of saying we're supposed to adopt. Okay, let's adopt. And we started

just frantically, like, I mean, we met with local, a local lawyer. We were looking at international adoption. We had our home study. We had the children's shelter nearby. They called us. I'm like, okay, this is it. This is it. You know, it was just always like, oh my gosh, this is it. Okay, yes. And then the door would close and like that would fall through. We're like, wait, I thought this was it. I don't understand. Or we'd go in and they'd say, okay, this is the procedure. You had this, I don't even remember. I had like a cyst. like, okay, we're going to get rid of the cyst, and that's going to be, it's going to make it, you're going to be fine, because they could never figure out what the cause of the

infertility was. And so you have this hope, like, this is it, okay, and then it wasn't. And so really getting to the end of myself, it took a while. And that was really when I feel like, again, that preparation season, I didn't know it then because it was awful and hard, but it was a preparation for everything to come. It was God really kind of tearing and stripping everything away, all of the pride, all of the, I can do this, I can do it on my own, I can work harder, I can try, I can try harder. No, you can't do any of those things. It's only through him alone.

Yeah. And so that season was that that, that's what I know that's what God was doing, even though at the time I couldn't quite see that. Yeah. Yeah. That's so powerful. Yeah. That is a tough lesson to learn in life, but it is one we all have to learn in some way.

In some way. Yes. And I think, you know, then as a parent, you start realizing you're like, oh, I actually wasn't in control either. Like, God loves them more than I even do, which seems impossible. Yes. But it's just kind of a constant lesson you're learning. Like when you're pregnant, you're, I remember always being scared.

You know, like something was going to happen. And then you think, oh, I can't wait to have a baby so that I'm not scared anymore. Someone's going to happen to the baby. And then you realize, that actually never goes away. It actually intensifies. And then they become teenagers and they're on the brink of getting their driver. license. Like watching the life through 60.

Which is beautiful because you're always dependent on God. Like you're always dependent on God. You're always surrendering your child to the Lord and saying that they're yours first. You love them more. Like it's a beautiful dependency. But, okay, you have to tell the story of Sylvie because that was the moment in the book that I was like, oh my goodness. I'm like bawling. But before Sylvie, you had the twins.

Yes, you had the twins. So can you tell a little bit about that because you didn't want to do Ivy. if, but how that kind of... Yes. Yeah, I didn't. We sat up... We had been going through... I don't know. I've been a couple years at that point. I really felt like we were supposed to adopt, and I really did. I was like, this is what... We had started the process. We actually were, at that point, it had been... I mean, we'd had... We'd gone down every route trying to figure out what that

looked like. It was so frantic. But we were like, okay, I actually had a dream. I'll talk about in the book. It was in the house that we were living at at the time, and we were standing. It was one of those dreams you wake up. You're like, that was... That was from the Lord. Yeah. Yes. We were standing at the island and there were just kids running around us and like that chaos of young kids laughing and just chaos.

And it just was this and I remember feeling this like contentment that I hadn't felt in years. And I remember specifically there was this little boy who had really blonde hair. I saw him and then a very dark-skinned girl with two poofs, like little hair poofs. And I remember the two of them. And then everybody else, it was just a blur. and I woke up and like it just was so significant. I knew it. And I woke Dave up and I was like, our daughter, we have a daughter in Africa.

And he was like, what? Like what in the world? I'm like, we do. And he's like, okay. And you went back to sleep and I went back to sleep. And months later, we were with the agency that we were with at the time. They just, they opened their Ethiopia program. And I was like, this is it.

This is it, Dave. This is it. And so we filled out all the paperwork. We got on the wait list. And then the day we got on the wait list, my doctor called and said, hey, I've been looking at your file again. And we had stopped doing any sort of treatment for about six months at this point. And she's like, I just want you to know. And I don't go into all this detail in the book, but she said, I just want you to know that I was looking at your insurance. And IVF is covered at 100% through your insurance. So if you want to try it, and I was like, I really don't. I'm like, we're good. We're on our path. Like, this is it.

So then I just happened to mention it to Dave. And he's like, what? Like, let's try it. let's try it, you know. And I didn't want to. We went to, so I was like, let's go to the meeting. And we went and sat down and they were telling us, you know, going through the list of all the things and all the shots and all the medicines. And we had this calendar. And he was just holding my hand. And I was just sitting at the table, just bawling. Like, I mean, I couldn't even hold back my tears as they were talking. And I just kept, after that, I just, we prayed for a long time. And I, my prayer became Lord Guide Dave, because I can't make this decision. I don't know what you want. I'm so confused right now. I need to just follow him and you need to give him

the discernment and I'm going to follow whatever Dave says at this moment. That's all I can do. That's cool. And he said, let's try it. Let's do this. Let's try it one time. And then we're done. That's it. And I'm like, okay, we'll try it. And then we got pregnant with the boys. So we put our adoption on hold. And then, of course, I went into preterm. And everything was going great with my pregnancy, but the same. I was scared the entire time, you know, and then I went into preterm labor. I got airlifted to Little Rock. I was in the hospital for a month. But in those first hours, they basically, you know, the neonatologist came in and gave us all the worst case scenarios. They didn't think, I mean, they thought they'd be born for sure within 24 hours. And they waited a

whole month and they were perfectly healthy. We were in the NICU for a month, but they just didn't, they didn't have the suck, breathe, swallow developed yet. So they just had to learn to eat. That was it. Wow. So they were, like, miracles. Yeah, absolutely. That's so cool. So now we got to get to. Yes. Yeah, now Sylvie. So they were a year and a half and I felt very strongly that we were supposed to start our adoption process again, but they were a year and a half. Over a year and a half. It was chaos. Which was called boy twins. Yes. Boy twins destroying the entire, every time I'd turn around, the house was in chaos. Well, can I just ask you?

Because I get this question literally all the time. Anytime we open up a question box, everyone's like, how did you know you were ready to have kids? This is interesting because like, how did you know you were ready to adopt when you have 18-month-old boy twins? I don't know. Yeah. Like, I always say, I don't know that because you don't feel ready in the sense of it's still crazy. It's not going to feel like peaceful for you to feel ready, but you will have like an internal piece that it's time. Maybe that's the way to say it was.

It was, I don't know how, I exactly, I have no idea. I honestly just was like, I just had this sort of stirring. Yeah, I don't even know how to, like, I think this. I think you're never going to be ready in that everything's going to be perfect. Like, you're going to have enough money. You're going to have the right house situation. You're going to have like all the time, all those things. You're never going to be ready in that sense.

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What am I doing? So I didn't say any, I said, I'm not going to say anything to Dave because I don't want him to start this process because he thinks I want to. Like, I just, I can't say anything. This is too crazy. If I even say this out loud, he's going to think I'm nuts because we're barely surviving with these two. And I knew how intense the process was.

And the next day, or it was either that day or the next day, like very quickly. He had come home from work. He's like, hey, let's go for, I was about to leave for a walk. He's like, let me join y'all. And we were walking to the park. I remember exactly where we were. And he looked at me and he's like, I think I'm ready to start the adoption process again. And I mean, it was so out of the blue.

Like, there was no way that wasn't God. And I looked at him and like, oh my gosh, I've been feeling the same way. I just thought you'd think I'm crazy. Wow. And so, yeah, we started the process. And then at that point, we learned how long it would take even just, the Ethiopia program that we thought we were starting again. We didn't even know what we were really embarking on at that point, which was the adoption of Sylvie. But yeah. So how long between

that moment and whenever you actually brought Sylvie home and you actually had Charlotte in that time period too. So it was a little over three years between, yeah, that moment. Yeah. That moment, yeah. So there's a lot of stories awaiting a lot and all of that. But the moment that I remember in the book where you talk about how you and Sylvie had that conversation after she was home where you were so concerned about her time away from you and what she said. So I much love for you to share about that. I mean, she was in when Dave and I would, we visited together once and then I was pregnant with Charlotte. And a total, total surprise. She was our other miracle. We're like, what? And at the time, I thought, this is crazy Lord. What? We're trying to bring Sylvie home. You know, the timing's terrible. terrible. Of course, he knew what he was doing. It was perfect. Um, but we had seen how she was living.

Dave was visiting her more often. We were FaceTiming her. And we knew, I mean, honestly, we were fearing for her life every day because she was sick. She wasn't and, you know, she was, I mean, you guys have seen, you know, um, the circumstances she was living in. So it wasn't like we were just trying to get her home because we were missing her and she was missing out on life with us, which was a huge part of it. Like we went through two birthdays that we celebrated. You know, we had a cake, and the boys blew out the cake for their sister, and she wasn't home for those.

But it was more that we were also terrified that she was never going to come home. She wasn't even going to be able to ever come home. And so when she finally did, and she was, it was a year later, so she was about three and a half, almost four. We were going to bed and, you know, saying prayers. And she loved to sing, Jesus loves me. at night before bed. So we sang that. And she had the cutest little raspy voice and her little accent. And she looked at me and said, God carried me home, Mama. And I'm like, well, yeah,

baby, he did. You're right. And the fact, like, she, I had no context for that. She just said it. And I was like, and I would never forget. It was one of those things that I wrote, I went down and wrote it in my journal. I'm like, oh, my goodness. It was the physical, like, because I had prayed so much for God to just, like, Jesus, be with. with her. Wrap her in your arms, comfort her. I can't hold her tonight. She's sick. I want to be there rocking her. Hold her. And then the fact that he physically, he did show up to her in ways that I didn't, I couldn't be there, but he was there. Well, that's so cool. So beautiful. I love that so much. So how many kids do you have now? Five. Five kids on a farm, plot twist. That is the

coolest thing ever, though. It's amazing. So y'all are still filming the show, season seven. Yes. Talk a little bit about just the journey of sharing since you talked about at the beginning, like the fear of it. What has it been like sharing your family on TV? Yeah. It has been one of the things I love is that we actually have like, and you guys don't know those too. You have this record of my kids growing up seven.

It's actually been eight years of filming because we had a year gap in between at the beginning. Like my boys were seven when we started. They're 15 now. Like I can look and I have this like record of our family. It's really sweet. It's really sweet. And it's also like shocking how fast it goes. Yeah.

Oh my gosh. They were babies. But I think I again, I look back and I'm like, God was just preparing us. He really put us where we needed to be. They had just moved schools right before we started filming before we even knew the show. The show was even a thing. So they're in this sweet, a really sweet school that has really kind of insulated them. in a way and help to protect them from they don't I mean they're they just live a normal life yeah

it's totally normal sometimes yes they're with me and like we'll get stopped at the grocery store or dinner and they're like but and they're like you you shop for groceries yeah yeah we have to buy groceries too you know that is a funny they're like you're at the grocery store like yeah yeah we we need to go groceries too that is a funny thing because people come up to us a lot and ask for a picture and Honey will be looking and Honey will be like, do you listen to my mommy's podcast? Like, it's just funny and very sweet. And then one time someone came up and said that they watched me on TikTok and honey said, what's that?

And I'm like, you don't worry. You don't need to know. But that is a funny thing because the other day she asked me why, because I was telling her, oh, don't talk to strangers. And then it was kind of confusing. And I was like, well, and so I was trying to teach her like how to disturb. And I'm like, sometimes girls come up to Mommy because they listen to my podcast. And then sometimes, like, we don't know that person.

They don't know mommy. They don't know us, you know. Because, yeah, there are, like, lessons you have to teach in that. But that was just a funny thing that honey is like, what's TikTok? I'm like, none of your business. None of your businesses. We'll talk about that way. It is weird because you're like, don't talk to strangers.

And I also don't take a photo with strangers. But here I'll say it. But my kids have learned, like, they don't, like, a lot of people are like, oh, everybody get in the photo. And they just are like, no, we're good. They just step out. So that is one thing. That is one boundary that we have created and taught them.

Like, just don't get in. I don't know. I mean, even though there's photos of them everywhere, it's just they don't feel comfortable with that. I don't know this person. I don't want to be in their photo. It's funny as honey always asked to be in the photo. And when we have teenage girls, I'm like, yeah, come on.

And then Haven's like, I don't want to be in the photo. And I'm like, don't be in the photo. Like, just kind of letting them whatever their kind of preferences and that. And it is funny. Like, I'm sure you see this so, you know, mom says all the time about her six kids. I'm sure you see this so much with your five kids. Like, everyone is so different. So different.

Yeah. I love how you always say, like, you got to know your kid, you know, and have, like, that relationship with your individual kids because it's all going to be different. And let them come at it in different ways. And you have to, like, treat them differently, too, you know, because they are so different. They are. And I just feel like, God, I always look back at our kids and be like, God, you created them each. So uniquely.

It's so beautiful as they get older to look back and see all those things he put in them so young. Yes. You know, and you're like, oh. that's who you were, who God created you to be. I love it. I love that. And I think that with the show. You had Luke after you were, you got pregnant with Luke after you were already filming, right?

Yes, after we filmed the first season. So I had him after the first season was filmed, but before it aired. And then before we started filming season two. So then season two aired and everybody was like, where did this one come from? So yeah, but it was so sweet because we stopped filming. I got pregnant, had him. I didn't have to worry about filming. I just got to enjoy pregnancy in the first few months.

And then we started filming again. But so he's never known anything different. I mean, that's just only thing he's ever known. Tell our kids. He calls him the filmers. He's like, the filmmakers are here today. I'm like, yeah, the filmmakers are here. But it is interesting because the bigs, like, they don't like,

hey, do you want, like, we never make our kids be on the show. Like, if you want to, if they're filming at the house, if you guys want to be a part of it, you can. If not, obviously you don't have to. And they'll be like, you know, who wants a microphone, Grant? So who wants a mic? And of course, Luke's like, I do. I'm like, no, I'm good.

I'm going up to my room. I don't want any part of this. They're teenagers now. And so it's just, it has changed and each one is so different where Ben will still, he'll be a part of things where Nate and Sylvie are like, absolutely not. I don't want anything to do with this. So it's really interesting. Yeah.

And they're just all different. And they all, yeah. I love that. It's so cool. Okay, we got to give Charlotte a little shout out because her comment in the book about at least we don't have elephants. Oh, yes. I love that so much, and it felt like something that, like, out of our family, like, we really

try to be positive about everything in life. So I'd love to tell that story. I thought that was so cute. Oh, Shar's my little, she's my many me. She's just, and she's also like the, she's very wise in a way that is amazing. But she loves animals. She wants to be a vet. Like, she loves, loves animals.

And so we're out cleaning up the pasture from her horse, cleaning poo, and putting it in the wheelbarrow and taking it to the garden. And she loves, like, she thinks this is so fun. Like, this is, like, what she enjoys. It's hilarious. But we're cleaning it. I'm like, oh, my gosh, Charlotte, this is, this, we're never going to finish. Because we did a area and then we look and we're like, oh, my goodness, like this is, I mean, it's like 10 acres of just where the horses lived. And then we'd clean an area and we'd turn around and Sadie's there. And I'm like, she's, Charlotte, she's popping again. It's never going to end. And I think sometimes in life, like you can feel so overwhelmed by.

I'm never going to make a difference. I have been out here all day, and you can't even tell. Like, there's nothing that is, you know. And so Charlotte looks at me and I was like, Char, this is, we're not even making a difference. I don't remember what I said, but I was exhausted. And she looked at me and she goes, mom, at least we don't have an elephant. That's so good. An elephant poop would be so much worse and more.

She's like, it wouldn't even fit in the wheelbarrow. And I'm like, you're right, Char, you are so right. And so I think that's such a good perspective. Yes. Always, it could be worse. Like, you are making a difference. That is so good. I love it.

Because we're scared and we think it's too big and we think, what can I do? I'm just me. I'm a little me living in Arkansas. What in the world? Like, I can't make a difference. And so we don't do anything. Yeah.

It's so true. Starting something new is exciting, but it can also be pretty scary. Before I started low, I had all the what ifs. What if no one listens? What if I feel? What if I do? All this work. And it goes nowhere.

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We had delays and then flight changes and all this stuff. We finally made it at 2 a.m. And we were coming from San Diego. And then this morning, as I was kind of thinking about what we were going to talk about, I thought about Charlotte saying that. And I told Willie, it was like, you know, 100 years ago to get from San Diego would have taken six months on a wagon train. So true.

You know, we had to have been. But like it took us, yeah, it took us a little longer than we expected today. It was a long day. But hey, we made it home at 2 a.m. from San Diego. What, that's a miracle. At least we didn't, we don't live in the time of wagon trains, you know. I love that. That's not bad. That's so good.

I love that. We don't have to take a wagon. That's right. I always say if I lived back then, oh, man. I know. I wouldn't make it. I would not have made it. I was not meant for it.

No, Dave says that all the time. He's like, I would have ditched you. Sorry. I know 100% I would expect you to because go on. Bering a baby. Save yourself. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

Oh my God. Oh my God. I'm very thankful for the day of so we live in. I know. And I want to have all my little extra things for like in motherhood. I'm like, yeah, I have my tuna, my outlet and my business and my mom was like, are you kidding me? And the four sleep pillows or whatever. It's a good time to be a lie.

It's a good time to have a baby. I know. I think about that when you said like who am I? Like who am I? I'm Jenny from Arkansas, or from Florida, but also Arkansas. But I was seen about this earlier day because everybody feels that way. Like every single person feels that way. Like, who am I?

How could I make a difference? Is my life really going to have impact? And when you read the Bible, it's like, where did we get this from that? You have to be of some kind of influence to make a difference where none of them were. Like, I mean, really, there's not many stories where it's like, and the king did everything. You know, it's like, okay, like Daniel, like, influence. the king, you know, where, like, Nehemiah was the cup bear to the king. Like, they were beside people of influence, but they were using, like, their influence

and their spirit to make a difference because they really, like, had faith in God. Like, Moses was, like, now we think of him as, like, the guy the part of the Red Sea. Like, I mean, the guy that part of the Seba, it's like, no, like, he was the adoptive boy that, like, ran away because he made a huge mistake and murdered someone. And he said, no, and he was like, are you getting to me? And of all things that he could have been insecure about. He's like, I have a speech impediment. I was like, well, you also killed somebody, but speech impediment felt worthy of being brought up.

I had a speech depotement when I was a kid, so I know how that feels. Yes. You're self-conscious. I know. We're self-conscious. Like, we're insecure. Like, it's, everybody feels that way. But, like, when you have faith to believe that I am who I am, that God says, like, you tell them when you go back, Moses, that I am who I am.

And I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, which I love, because he's, like, saying, I'm the God of generations. I'm faithful to my people. And it's like that's a message for every single person that it's really not about who you are where you're from. It's about where God placed you, who he made you to be. And it's incredible what he can do with your life. And it's cool because that's on a big scale. But even on a small scale, I'm making a difference. Like yesterday, I'm starting to write a book.

And it is challenging. Like way to go. When you finish the book, everyone should be high-fived. Like, majorly high-fived. Because I'm sitting here in like chapter two of what needs to be 50. by a certain deadline. And I'm like, oh.

And I'm thinking, and the screen is blank. And you're like, I got nothing. I'm like, I got nothing. And I was, I've been working for hours

and I'm still on chapter two. And I'm like, and I'm like, and so yesterday, I just felt like like, like riders block. Like I kept going into riot and it just not happening.

And it just didn't feel like I was making sense. And Kit was up here, which I love, but I was distracted. And I just felt like it wasn't making sense all day. And it wasn't coming together.

And then I asked a friend if she would come over so I could just read it out loud and just see where I'm at and see if I could kind of get past this block. And as I was reading it, there was one sentence. I was like, oh, I just need to take out that sentence and then it makes everything else make sense. And it was so small.

And I took out the sentence and literally it opened up the whole chapter to make sense. And I actually started to tear up and my friend sitting there and she's like, no, like, I'm crying with you. That's so sweet. It was like a really sweet moment. And I think what got me was that I had been

like it had been such a big deal, but it was really just one small thing that I need to change in order to keep going. And I think that's the case a lot of times. You know, it's like there's one thing in front of you. Like you just have to like get through it and it might take time and it might be hard, but it's like, I don't know. It gave me like a different perspective. I don't really have the words for it in a message or even encouragement other than that's what happened. And it made me think of that when you talked about the elephant poo. I love that so much. Even with a book, though, sometimes you're like, you almost create the Rogers Block because you get overwhelmed. I'm on chapter two.

I have, this is due on this day and you're thinking of the whole thing. Yes. And instead, you just need to focus on that one sentence. Yeah. Sometimes the sentence in that one, whatever chapter. Yeah. Yeah. One, whatever chapter.

And I was getting ahead of myself. That was what was happening. Yeah. I was writing a sentence that needed to be in a different chapter. And it was taking me down a whole different path. And I was like, that's not the path I'm actually going down right now. I need to stick with this. And it's interesting because in your story, I realized when you were talking about trying to make things happen, you used to be frantic a lot.

And I do feel like a lot of times when I'm trying to like rush something or I'm not really wanting to fully listen to what God's plan is or like his timing, I do feel frantic. I'm like, oh, like it all feels crazy. But when you're like in the flow with God, it does not feel frantic. And it should feel frantic. You're looking around and you're like, I should feel stressed, but I'm not. You know, like I have an inner deep peace. Kind of we were talking about, it's like I did a conference with a four-week-old, and I'm like, I should feel stress, but I'm not because I'm in the center of his will.

It's frantic when you try to get outside of it. I feel that. Like looking back at times, I'm like, it kind of feels like God just kind of picked us up and carried us, you know, because I'm like, that should have been crazy, but at the time it didn't feel that. It feels like how. Yeah. I know. And I think that about like trying to build a family, like that we were trying all these things,

but that wasn't what God's plan was for us. plan for adoption was Sylvie, and Sylvie wasn't even born yet. She wasn't even a thought. So I felt friend. I love that. When you're outside of God's well, it feels yeah. That's good. And that's back to the title. The title. Trust God. Yes. Yes. Trust God. Love people. And I think that that is, it's really is about that trust. Trust. And sometimes we start trusting in ourselves to figure it all out. But like if we can just trust in God and say like he's got it. It's not up to me. I know like open-handedness, faith of just like, I'm going to trust him. There's this quote by Mother Teresa.

that I always tell because I love it so much. There's a couple of them, but this is one about, it was somebody asked her to pray for him, and he said, we pray that I have clarity. And she said, no, I won't pray that you have clarity. I mean, I'm like, wow, that's bold. I never said, no. She said, no, I won't.

She's like, I've never had clarity. What I have had is trust. Wow. And it was, I thought that was so powerful. It's like, yeah, we all want clarity on. If we want to see, we want to see the whole picture. We want to be like, okay, God, show me everything that's going to happen so I can, like, be prepared for it.

She was like, no, you don't need clarity. You just need trust. Yes. That's all you need. I love that. And it's so easy to say. Like, trust God. Yeah.

It's trust. I talk about this a lot. And then we talked about earlier. It's the remembering. Yes. That's the only way we can, we have to remember what he's done for us before. I remember his faithfulness. And he tells us to do that so much.

He tells us, remember, remember. And in order to trust him right now, I have to remember what he's done for me in the past. Because I can look around and think, but this went wrong. and this person had this happened to them. And I do that. I mean, we all do it. We're like, but what about this person? Like, they did this and look what happened to them.

And like, that's not my story. And that's not, I can't put my trust in what other people are doing. I have to remember what God's done for me in the past. And I can stand firm in his faithfulness, even when it doesn't make sense. And yeah. So, that is so good. I know we're wrapping up. But on that note of the how we compare our stories to other people, what that happened

to them, Me and my friend were talking about this other day how, like, God is near to the broken heart and he comforts those, like, when they're walking through that in ways that you don't know. It's like when David said, like, I've killed a lion in a bear, he's remembering the past. No one knew that.

Like, he knew that. So everyone's like, how was he going to fight your life? And he's like, oh, I got this because God's been faithful. But we were watching through a friend go through something really, really hard and tragic. And immediately, whenever I found out what happened to her, I was just like, God, why would you do that? Like, that's horrible.

And I, like, in my mind, I was just like knowing her story and knowing what she had walked through and then what happened. I just felt like it was like cruel. I was like, God, I can't like, what in the world? How do you make sense of that? What do I even say to encourage her? You know, I don't even know, but I'm just going to go sit with her. So I go to her house and I'm like, bring her food.

I'm just sitting. And everything that I thought that was like so horrible that God did, she had the most opposite perspective. And she was like, I think about, remember when this happened? And then God did this. And he spoke that to me. It was like he was preparing me for this moment. And I was just like, I was sitting in there and it gave me such good perspective. Like, whoa, you never know what God's doing in someone's life.

Like, even when tragic things happen, you can't put yourself in their shoes because you're not the one hearing what God's saying in those moments, you know? And so it just gave me like good perspective that you can't get too far in your head of like the what ifs in life or the what will happen or what am I going to do when I get there. It's like just just get there and God will meet you there. just God's on, God's in your, he's coming and you're going, you know, he's in every stage of your life.

This has been a beautiful podcast. Sometimes we chit-chat, we have fun. I want to say you're welcome for your hour long devotional today because this has been like the most perfect. I told you, it's a long dinner conversation. Devotional.

Like, this has been so good. And I'm so thankful. You are everything and more from watching the show and reading the books and people who follow you online. Like you're even more. incredible and fabulous in person. So thank you for coming and being on the podcast. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me.