WHOA That's Good Podcast - How to Be a Little Easier on Yourself

Episode Date: August 4, 2021

Bear Rinehart of NEEDTOBREATHE joins Sadie this week to discuss their new album, Into the Mystery. Listen in as they discuss how to step into your calling, overcoming anxiety, and how Bear met his wife. Bear also shares the intimate details of his songwriting process and how their new album was birthed during the pandemic. NEEDTOBREATHE’s new album is available now wherever you get your music. https://liberty.edu/Sadie — Get your application fee WAIVED when you start your future with Liberty University today! https://helixsleep.com/sadie — Get up to $200 OFF AND 2 free pillows! https://samaritanspurse.org/whoa — Find out how to get involved with this awesome ministry! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, what's up? Well, that's good, fam. I am so pumped for this podcast, as I am normally always pumped, but today, especially we have a great person on the podcast. I've actually never really hung out with this person yet, but he seems amazing from afar and I can't wait to interview him. So welcome there for him to need to bring to the podcast. Nice.

Thanks for having me. Yeah, we're so excited to have you on Honestly Everyone that I've told that you were gonna be on the podcast has been very excited. We got some big fans around here And I would be lying if I said I wasn't actually Whenever you know, we saw I saw I was gonna get to do this podcast. I was so excited because in high school Mea brother like I remember it so vividly,

we'd have all the doors off to the Jeep and we'd crank up, wash by the water. Like that was our song. And one of my favorite songs still is Difference Maker. I love that song. So we've been listening to Yosemuset for a long time. So it's very excited to have you in the podcast. And we're gonna get into talking about your new album

into the mystery soon. But first, I have to ask you the question and we're going to get into talking about your new album into the mystery soon. But first, I have to ask you the question. I ask everyone, what is the best piece of advice that you have ever been given? You know, I thought about that a little bit. And that's a tough one. There's a bunch of ways I could go with that. But I think the best advice I've been given is that

it's to remember that everybody has a story and that if we don't know it, maybe we shouldn't be rushing a judgment on that story. That's good. I think I'm especially someone who has a microphone in my face a lot and it's easy to weigh in. You know what I mean? But it feels like every person on me,

that story is so extenuating and crazy. And so anyway, it's something I need a reminder of. That's so true, that's so good. It's even like, oh, just, this is so for the now, but with the Simone Biles thing with her, stepping out of the Ellen Binks, that's a classic example of everyone has a story. No one knows what's actually happening.

And so who are we to have our own little opinion about someone else's big story And so that's such good advice. I love that so a lot of people know you from need to breathe I know you have your own stuff going on now too But let's backtrack to just your family life because I know my listeners are typically a lot of college girls and our Suckers for relationship stories. So how did you and your wife meet? We met in college, we went to the same school, a little school in South Carolina called Ferman.

And this is, I mean, kind of crazy for me to think about, but our first date, I was a little bit of a romantic, I guess. I took her to the airport to watch planes take off and have a conversation. Oh, no way. Yeah, and also I was probably just cheap. But we go there and we had this insane conversation and she was a little a couple of years younger than me. So I just was blown away by her and what she wanted to do

in life and what she cared about. And we talked for a couple of hours, I think, on the first day. And then I called my mom that night and I was like, I'm gonna marry this person. Wow. Which is probably silly to think back, but I just knew there was something to this.

And then we dated a little while, and then she was a freshman in college at the time, and she would admit this to you that she kind of got like a little agreeable. That makes sense, you know what I mean? She just was kind of like, I think I was a junior at the time. So we broke up for a summer and she went home and became this, like, she was like, you know, just hardcore, Brad Pitt would be lucky to date me kind of, you know.

That attitude. And so when she came back from college, we were both on the FCA board thing together. Not the music, she gets them out. So it was really it. It was kind of amazing. And then quickly after that we were dating, she became the band's first booking agent.

Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, so she was good at multitasking better than I was. I played football and did school, but not much school. That's awesome. She was, yeah, I talked her into doing that. So luckily, she doesn't have to do that anymore, but that's where we started. That's awesome.

Yeah, I did see that you played football, and you were actually like really good. You low-key, you were like, yeah, I played football, but I Googled you and you were legit. Did you ever think that you would do something in football or did you always have your heart on music? I probably did at some point, but pretty quickly, the band formed

when I was a freshman at school. So, I mean, nobody took us seriously or anything, but we were gonna take it ourselves seriously, and we started doing, I don't know, 50 or 60 shows a year while I was playing football. Wow. And so, yeah, I think I knew pretty quickly, no matter where the football thing went, I wanted to do music. That's cool.

Yeah, which was an insane choice when you're in college. It just doesn't, especially a good school is getting a scholarship too. Yeah, for sure. But parents are like, you should do something with this education you got given. Oh my gosh. But yeah. Sometimes it works out. Like my grandpa, people know him as like the duck commander,

but 40 years ago or so, he was playing football and he was actually ahead of Terry Bradshaw at his school. He was the starting quarterback. Then he left football to build duck calls. And everybody thought he was crazy. And that was way crazy with the start and a van. You actually had some good direction and some promise. He went with duck calls and everybody thought he was crazy. And that was way crazy with the start and a van. You actually had some good direction and some promise. He went with duck calls.

That's really cool. So how did need to breathe come to be? You said you were a freshman? Yeah. Just we were the annoying kids on the hall and like with the gym bay and a couple of acoustic guitars. It was very coffee house-ish vibes for a while. And we just wrote songs.

I never really was the kind of cover band person. I never knew, I mean, still to this day, I had no idea how to play like three other people's songs. So I just was trying to write songs that figured out and we were just probably taking it way too seriously to be honest with it at the time. But we knew it was kind of a calling and I think I knew, I was kind of waiting on that calling I'm probably taking it way too seriously to be honest with it at the time. But we knew it was kind of a calling and I think I knew I was kind of waiting on that calling

to happen in my life, a group with a preacher as a dad and that kind of thing. So I was like, that felt natural to me. And then sort of when I stumbled on the music thing, I was like, oh, this makes a lot of sense. And yeah, we just started playing like the clubs around town, honestly. And we made a little circle a little later about like five hours around our campus we got to be the biggest band in that circle or whatever you know but it was a lot of self promotion and just hard work really because

we even when I got out of school we were the band was together for like four more years before we got signed. So you know there was no there weren were a lot of up arrows pointing at the time, but so that's kind of, I think that that sort of rootsiness is sort of still ingrained in us and also an appreciation for kind of what we have. It was a long, slow climb if that makes sense. No, that's cool. Yeah, because I think a lot of people see, people where they're at when they make it big

and then they wanna do that, but they don't know that, that takes a lot of years and that takes a lot of hard work. So, you said you kinda felt like it was your calling, but even in that, I love how you were like, we wanted to be like the biggest band here. So, where you are at now has that just like far exceeded any expectations that you'll ever thought your band would be.

And for sure, I had zero idea of, I mean, honestly, our biggest goal at the time was just play the club in town or try to sell it out 500 tickets, you know? That's awesome. I remember like our second album, we, that's the first time that actually happened in the South East. We've been playing all those places like 20 times Opening for people and all that stuff before they sold out the very first time and when they did we thought this is big as it gets Amazing, I didn't even know there was another venue we could play The awesome so what was y'all's like break through a moment if you will or or was there because I feel like sometimes people look back

And they like it just kind of happen slowly, but was there a Because sometimes people look back and they're like, it just kind of happened slowly, but was there a moment for you all that it really felt like a transition? I think the third record we made was called Outsideers. And that record, I think, was the first where we sort of understood what we were doing all of a sudden. Like, everybody thinks you're making music, which you are, but you're really trying to have a communication

or a conversation with your audience, and the music is just a way to do that, I think. And I think the bigger bands figure that out, that it's just a tool. And I think for us, we spent the first record trying to be something we weren't, and then we tried to, the second we're trying to prove that we can do everything.

And then it was like, the outside of just felt like a record where we were talking just like it was coming from us. And that just started to connect. And I remember the first time around we were touring on that record. It felt like the tickets weren't necessarily selling more, but the comments we were getting back from people were like, I'm living my life to this. I had someone pass and this is what this song got me through it. And we were calling our management and stuff.

We're like, I know you don't believe this, but something is happening. It feels like we've broken through that thing. So I do think that was a big moment for us. And it really hasn't stopped since if that makes sense. No, you can see that. That's so cool because it does feel like that happens in life. It's like the times that you try really hard, you strive for something, you do somebody that's not you,

it just doesn't work. And then the time you strip it back, you're like, hey no matter what happens, I'm just going to be me. That always is what works because it's relatable. Yeah, it's really incredibly hard to be easy. Yeah, that's so true. That's so true. We overthink things so much.

So I'm interested to hear about like you realizing that this is your call because that's something we talk about on this podcast a lot because I feel like a lot of you, especially with the age group that is listening to me is like, what is my call in life? And how do you feel like you knew like, oh, this is it, because, you know, there's so many things that you could have done, even with football or, you know, you're getting, you're falling in love with this woman, all these different things. How did you know? I feel like this really is the thing that God's going to use in my life. Yeah, it's tough. I think it's, it's more than one thing. I think, you know, I had a love

for it. First of all, and I think that's huge. Yeah, that's good. I don't think it's always, I think I grew up with a lot of, like my, a lot of siblings and stuff that were missionaries and all those things, so it felt very like, oh, this is gonna be some terrible place that you don't wanna go, and you're gonna have to sacrifice everything, you know?

And it's not always that way, certainly wasn't that way with me. And I think the gifting was part of it. I mean, I was even unaware of it in some ways. Or it took some people coming alongside and saying, like, I think maybe you have something like your voice is unique. And for me to go like, is it? Is it just weird or is it unique?

Yeah. It's awesome. And so I think some of those things. And then just a lot of, I had a grandmother, I have a grandmother that I rely on heavily for these things like this, but she sort of spawned all these missionaries and pastors, wives and musicians and all that stuff.

And we would have a lot of conversations about that. And it does seem to, you know, I think you can try to force it if that makes sense. If you're looking for the calling so bad and you want to sacrifice so bad it does seem to, I think you can try to force it, if that makes sense. You're looking for the calling so bad and you wanna sacrifice so bad and that's nothing wrong with that. But a lot of times open doors really have to play

a pretty big role in it. And I think probably a lot of wasted time, even within my calling, is pushing on a door that she's locked. Yeah, it's good. It feels like sometimes. And it's just like, I just gotta have it this way. I know exactly what this is gonna get go.

And so I think for us, I guess my encouragement would be that it takes a lot of time sometimes for people to figure it out. And also some of those mistakes are also part of the journey. And I don't even mean like, you learn from them. Of course you do, but I feel like if some of us are just stubborn, you know, and for me, I really needed to like make all of just banging to walls for a long time before I was prepared for what the next step is. Yep. And so maybe I was a slow learner or whatever

it was, but it does seem to me, it made me ready to have a different conversation now than I ever could have if I hadn't gone that way. So there's some trust in that, I think, I don't know, I would just encourage people, they don't feel like they have that calling yet, they probably don't. And that's okay. This is part of like, this is your tent making season. Yeah, that's so good. I love that.

One of my favorite verses is in Psalms. It talks about like, unless the Lord builds a house, the labor is labor and vain. And it goes on to say like, they eat the bread of anxious toil, but the ones that trust in him, he gives his beloved sleep. And I love that because I can think back

into the times where I was trying to like get something started, you know, and it just doesn't happen. It doesn't start. Again, you run into the walls. We try to do a tour way prematurely and it just didn't work. We sold like 40 tickets one time and like in a Reno, we're like, okay, not working, you know?

And so, you know, you just, but you just try so hard and eventually I kind of laid that down. I was like, God, you know, I'm going to let you build this thing. And since then, now things are happening, but I'm not so anxious. I'm not so stressed is I'm not trying to make it happen. I'm just responding like saying yes every day. And it's so cool to see that happen. And I think it's inspiring for people to hear that from you, especially even like the not insecurity, but the questioning of do it is my voice cool. Is it unique? Is it just, you know, whatever? Because when

people see someone like you, they're like, oh, well, if I had that voice, then I would be confident, then I would know. Right. But to know that everybody has to say, yes, so the call God has on their life, everybody has to, you know, trust him with that and choose to be confident in what he's given you. It doesn't just come naturally, even if you're super talented. So that's, that's choose to be confident in what he's given you. It doesn't just come naturally even if you're super talented. So that's that's cool to hear. So you have three boys, right? Yes.

With really cool names. What are your boys' names? Wilder woods and waters. That is just like that is legit. You and your wife got some good names. And your solo band, I guess is that a band is Water Woods, right? Of your two boys.

How do you think being a dad has impacted some of the music that you put out? I think in every way. Honestly, I think the impact happens first with me. It's like they've had such a crazy impact on how I try to live life. And I'm somebody who has dealt with or struggle with anxiety in my whole life. And it's like seasonal, but it's cyclical.

It feels like if it's not here, it's coming a lot of times. And I think the kids just add a perspective on life for one thing. You know, it's easy to come home now regardless of how the tour went or the record sold. And it just be like overwhelmed by that feeling that you do belong here and you are loved. And I think that's powerful. But also just sort of the freedom that they exude. They have through completely different personalities.

They're not the same at all. And they're all insane. They're not the same at all, and they're all insane. They're like, they're all, just like we've got, it's all boys, they're six, four, and eleven months. And it's like, it's just chaos all the time. But the thing that they, they all sort of share, which is this beautiful thing, like, when they walk in the room, they could just be butt naked with their arms out. And like, they're like, here I am world taking, you know, they're just so open to experiences. And I think it really showed me like how often I'm not like that. Yeah.

And I just felt like, man, if they can do it surely I can. So a lot of the stuff that we've talked about on the last couple of records I think have to do with that idea. And obviously there's so much, you know much trauma that happens along life that causes those things. And we start to react those ways. And then we get habits that you know, it's like you can tell we've been in therapy. But it's just, I feel like a lot of the records, the last couple of records anyway have been really heavily on that.

Attacking things like being a little easier on that. Yeah. You know, tackling things like being a little easier on yourself. You know, I feel like probably one of the most common things I think people, you know, laying bad at night, like should I have said that, should I have done that all that all that kind of thing. Yes. And that's just crippling. And and so anyway, I feel like that battle that I'm on, I try to communicate that in the songs now and hopefully people can relate to it. I've never been a, I feel like that battle that I'm on, I try to communicate that in the songs now and hopefully people can relate to it. I've never been, I mean our band's always said this, like we're not trying to teach anybody anything. We don't have any of the answers. We're more about experiential relationships that we're trying to,

to show people it's okay to ask those questions and feel those ways, but it's also okay to move on from it. Yeah, I love that. You definitely get that in your music. I actually wrote down a line. My favorite song on the newest album, one that really spoke to me was what I'm here for. And that song, you're right, it makes you question some things in your life better. So good to question.

And I love how you said, I say, God, I'm only human. He would say, that's what I'm here for. And I think that that's so good because so many times, you know, we feel like we need to be something bigger than ourselves because there's this expectation that the world puts on us to be that. And that can be crippling and that can make you really fearful because you know you can't be that. And so that was such a good reminder, even when I was listening to that, I was like, well, like, yeah, that's what God's for. Like, that's who he is. That's who he's going to be. So I was going to ask you like what that song meant to

you as you were writing it. Yeah, that one means a lot to me. I think it's kind of what I've been going through. I grew up super like conservative Christian parents. They were great, but also products of the 80s and all those things. And what I mean by that, just like that was a very rigid time. And basically it was like all things are off limits. So let's talk more about things we don't do than the things we do.

There are hundreds of absolute truths. That's just the way my Sunday school was growing up. So you can imagine it feels, it creates this thing where righteousness is somehow this inner circle that we've got to keep working on. The longer you do it, you get closer and closer and that's where God is. And I've found in my life that to be the opposite of the truth.

I've found that surrender and surrender can only happen when you realize that you've screwed it up. You know, you're in the worst place that you could possibly be and you give up and then God's like, I love you more now than ever. And that's so such a powerful kind of turnaround. So I think that's what that song's about. Like I need room to be wrong sometimes

is in that chorus before it says that. And it's like, I really feel like that's true with me and it's a reminder, you know, of some things, I went through some pretty heavy stuff six or seven years ago in our family and with my wife and just really, and that was the truth that I took away. It's like, man, I messed this all up. And the second I was like, I can't do anything God,

if I don't care what happens with this situation. Like, I don't know if I'm gonna lose my family, I'm gonna lose my job, all these things, like, but God if I don't care what happens with this situation. Like I don't know if I'm going to lose my family. I'm going to lose my job on all these things. Like, but God, I know I need you. God's love during that moment was stronger than I'd ever felt in my life while I was trying so hard. So. Well, that's powerful. When you, because I read somewhere that you like had written like a ton of songs during quarantine,

it was like 70 or something. It was crazy. Like what is that writing process look like for you? Is it something that when you go to channel the emotions that you're thinking about or processing that you're going to do? Does it just flow out or sometimes it's more of a stretch and a search? I could you know I could write every day probably if I just put myself in a space, I really got into sort of not a ritual, but almost like this thing, I wanna make the room clean and put some incense on and really get into a place. Yeah.

So I could probably do that every day if I wanted. What was cool about this time was we had just put out a record and I didn't have a record to write for. I was doing some co-writing but it had gone to Zoom co-writing and I didn't love that part anyway. So it's not the vibe. Pretty amazing. What's that? I said that's not the vibe. Yeah, no, it's not the vibe at all.

And so I started just writing with no end in mind. I wouldn't say no purpose, but just no ambition, if that makes sense, and just really started to kind of be like, if I was a kid, what kind of music would I want to hear? That's cool. And you know, what do I want to, and so my wife would come in and be like,

what's wrong with you? I'm like, just dying laughing because something new happened. And it just be overwhelmed with this joy. It's like, I'm just chasing this thing. I don't know what it is. And so I had more fun sort of creating music than I ever had. And I would come in here sometimes,

I'm gonna ride a country song, even though I can't ride country songs. Or whatever it is. It does fun. It just have a good day with it. And it's crazy that it turned into a record because it certainly wasn't the intention at the beginning. That's right.

So this new record, that was not like what you had planned, it just kind of came to be. Yeah, because the band had put a record out like a year ago. Yeah, I saw that. Even the label was like, we're not giving you money to make a record. I had to make some other reason to get the budget for the record, actually. That's funny. So it was, yeah, it was just, so that was just very freeing like. I don't think art is a means to an end. And but in music, you can get on that sort of schedule where it's like, oh, well, next year, we got to have some content. We got to have whatever it is. Yeah. It's just beautiful to kind of like be a kid again. It was like eight years old. Like it wasn't my job. That's

awesome. And so yeah, I'm loving that part. Like, and we're kind of poured that over now into the touring side too, which is really awesome. We're having more fun than we ever have. That's awesome. I've actually seen y'all twice live now. So y'all are so much fun. Such a good concert. And I'm sure it's even just going to get more fun

if you're bringing your childlike self into it. There you go, Moda. So for picking out of the 70 songs or more, however many you wrote, was that a hard process for the band or did you all kind of all agree, like these are the ones? For the most part, yes. I actually this time, because I wrote them like I did and I didn't have that sort of, I don't think I had a great perspective on what they, or which ones would fit the band and all that. And so I really relied on Josh and Seth, the bass player and piano player. Cool. I would call Josh almost every day on FaceTime and be like, claim a little bit of it. And like, is this dumb? Because this is not our normal formula of writing songs,

you know? That is cool. And he just, he was so great with that. Like, would he be like, yeah, I don't love it. I'll see you tomorrow, you know, whatever. And then it's like, so really, I let them pick a lot, which was also very freeing to me. It's kind of like, look, I'm not driving this train. Yeah. I'm, some reason I'm on, I get to be on it, but I just am not, you know,

making all these decisions was nice. That's so good. You need that person your life that you can constantly, is this dumb and they'll genuinely say yes. That's dumb. Right. Because then you trust him when they say no, this is actually really good.

That's awesome. So in a band, you know, you have to work together. I love how you just kind of talked about that. What are some of the things that you feel like you all teach each other in the process of working together? Yeah, a ton. I mean, when you get in a band at the beginning, everybody believes the same way, kind of, you know, and then we've been doing this for 20 years. So everybody has grown out and crazy and it's we raise our families in different ways and we all those things, you know,

we're like different. So sometimes when I feel like people are like, what's the mission statement for the band, I'm like, impossible. It's all over the place, it's such a wide variety. So it's tough to kind of like make it centralize like what the band means even, what we're trying to do exactly, because it's a collective really at this point. But I think we do learn how much you just need each other.

I mean, I think that's what everybody's been saying, maybe from the pandemic. I hope that's a lesson everybody's learned. But I think for us, we just value the time and this time outside of music more than we ever have. And nobody knows what it's like behind the curtain in our world except for the people that are behind it. And so I think that's a really huge thing

to try to figure out how to empower the people around you to have that voice. I'm kind of a, like I'm an Enneagram 8, which you know what that means? Like I'm ready to fight at all times. Yes, we just had like, we just had a guy who like really specialized in the Enneagram on the podcast last week.

So everybody gets what you're talking about. Okay, nice. So you're in a... So there you go. I'm a challenger or whatever. I'm like ready to roll. It's good to have people that I'm like, man, it might be tough for you to challenge me because I'm going to

if I feel threatened or whatever, here we go. And so I think the thing we've like really tried to train and teach and also it really has to do with the individual. I think it's to empower them to have the voice when it comes to sounds like, man, you're being whack. Like, we gotta back this up a couple of steps. Like you can talk to that guy this way or you're looking at this situation all wrong. So I think a little healthy conflict, I guess,

is something that we've tried to get better at and I think it's huge. It's cool. It's awesome. So this new album is already out and people are loving it. Like I said, whenever I told some people that you're gonna be on podcast, I'll say, oh my gosh, we love their new album. So it's definitely going good here in Louisiana. What are some things that you want people to feel and take from it as I listen? Yeah, I think I think a lot of those lessons, I think the probably the biggest thing is it's okay to make mistakes and that we are going to make them. And then the other thing is, the record's called End of the Mystery.

It really is this huge question I have in my brain because I felt like growing up conservative Christian kind of thing. I felt sometimes like and I don't think that was their intention at all, but I felt like if they loved me as long as I was like between these two lines, you know, as long as I was doing what I was supposed to. And I sort of resented that feeling and you long for that freedom to be like to have people that would love you no matter where you go. But now that I have kids and I'm telling them every day, like we have it written on our wall, you know, like I love you no matter what you do. And that's a lot easier to say than it is to do because they go to school and they hit

somebody, you know. So I think I'm sort of wrestling with that in the way, you know what I mean, I'm trying to figure it out and just and live it out as good as I can. And at the same time, the band I think was going through a lot of those situations. So I don't know if it was meant to teach anything, but just like to say, we feel you. If you're feeling this way, you're kind of off

on a new journey. We lost my brother left the band a couple of years ago, which was kind of crazy. And then the pandemic happens like you you can't tour and all these just a lot of uncertainties I guess And we felt really good about where we were going But we were kind of not sure if everybody would go with us if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, totally So yeah, I think that's Yeah, I think that's the takeaway. I hope it is. No, that's so good. It's very relatable to a lot of people.

Just with all that being said and how you grew up, a conservative Christian, for your relationship now with God, do you feel like with this mindset of having that freedom, do you feel like it's drawn you a lot closer to Him and has impacted your faith in a deeper way. I do. Yeah, it's tricky because I think in some ways, the more I question things, the closer to God I am, you know, I think the more real my faith is. Yes. You know, I feel like for a long time, it was like, I would never do that. I would never do that.

And as long as all those boundaries are up there, it's like, are you really making a choice or what's happening here? So yeah, I think for me, yeah, it's been a really sweet time to go like, man, there's just so much grace and so many second, third, 15 chances that you get. It's cool. I feel like I don't deserve any of the things that are going on now with the band

or to even be in a band still, it seems insane. So I'm just really thankful and that feels very sweet. And I think it's, you know, you probably heard it with people talking about their kids and you probably feel it already. But you look at your kid and you're not looking for something from them. You know what I mean?

They really, I mean, my kid today literally pooped in the woods and he got all over his pants and everything. And I was like, bro, you know, what are you doing? You know, it's four years old. I can't do that. And still, we get here and it's like, we hug it up. And it's like, it's all, you know, and so there's something definitely to be said about. I feel about the way, you know, I feel loved by God and spiral as all my weaknesses. So cool. That's what you hear in your music music and just even with you sharing it feels like such a relationship. And that's what's cool. I mean, I've experienced that with my daughter already.

You're so right. It's like the way that you fill up for them when you have the revelation that that's how you're loved by God. It is, yeah, the most freeing thing and really very a cool feeling. Well, I've loved this conversation and I think people are going to absolutely love the new album Shout it out one more time into the mystery. It's so good and now you got a little bit of a backstory on how it came to be and a little bit of a backstory about your life. So thanks for shared all of your stories seriously. I'm so impacted and now I can't wait to go back and listen to it knowing a little bit more of the heart behind it. So thank you so much, Bare for being on the podcast.

Of course, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. you