WHOA That's Good Podcast - How to Trust & Obey God's Call — Even When It's Scary | Sadie Robertson Huff & KB

Episode Date: March 8, 2023

Are you feeling a bit down? Is your world extra heavy right now? You need this encouraging conversation with Sadie and hip-hop artist and author KB. Y'all, he brings a WORD in this episode! KB reveals how he came to follow the Lord after someone loaned him a Christian hip-hop CD and why his new book is his prayer for recovery and revival in our world today. Just listen to how he speaks about the Lord and you'll feel a revived spirit! KB encourages us to have godly people around us REGULARLY and shares the best antidote for a heaviness of spirit. Plus, he recalls when his faith was truly put to the test on a dangerous mission trip and his "aha" moment that there is more joy in following Jesus into the scary place than there is staying cooped up in rebellion and disobedience. Sadie describes her trip to Somalia where her fear and anxiety hit its peak and how her faith being put to the test was the ultimate show of trust in God's mercy and grace. Since then, fear and anxiety haven't ruled her heart like they once did. If God is calling you to dangerous situations and dangerous faith, remember you serve a dangerous God! KB's book, "Dangerous Jesus," is available now. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm always singing him and passing. So I'm grateful to have a full conversation with him today on his new book. You're going to love this dangerous Jesus. Get ready because this is a word and it straight from KB. Thank you so much, KB for being on the podcast. Thank you so much for having me. God bless you. And I'm excited about the conversation and also appreciate so much the way you serve God's people. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that and me and Christian love you

and all that you do when you put out. Look, people might not know this about me. This is kind of a hidden thing everybody's about to know that I actually love Christian rap. And literally I listen to Christian rap almost every single morning. I'm a little jerk and stuff. So kind of the love came from.

I was on a tour with Andy Minio and got to hear him every single night and I'd just go out there with my friends with group we just dance. All we're all on tour having fun. And then I just got hooked. So, you and Andy, not today, I love it, I love. Not today, yeah.

All kinds of stuff that you put out, 10k, I mean, big fans. Okay, all right. Okay, I'm not kidding, okay? You might not believe it, but I love it. And so, I'm grateful to have you on the podcast. Well, I got to start the way I start every single podcast somewhere that's good. And that is asking a big question.

And it is, what is the best piece of advice that you've ever been giving, KB? Oh. What a big question and it is what is the best piece of advice that you've ever been given, KB? Oh, what a difficult question. I know. So bad. What a difficult question. Can I just give a good piece of advice to someone that's giving me? We'll take it.

We'll take it. Tonight I'm going to be on, I'm going to be like, it's going to be like 2 a.m. when a pop out of my sleep like that was not the best of my it was better. Okay. Well, it's taking one of the one of the things that has been extremely helpful for me is this kind of concept that I've given my boys that it was something that was instilled to me when I was younger, but it's a simple, very elementary phrase.

It got a little rhyme to it. It is, do your best and trust God with the rest, okay? Sked. Sked. And for me, I can, like all of us, have this illusion of feeling like control is something that I can truly have that I can through my intellect, my my gifting or my ingenuity control and manage things. And I envision how things should be. And then when they don't turn out that way, it's like I'm almost having to attend the memorial service for my dying, my dying plan or my dying dream or my dying expectation. If you can learn to go as deep as you can with what you can do in terms of sharpening your

skills, deepening your character, things and sear for the Christian influencer. Stay human. Be touchable. Serve God's people. Be present in your community. If you can be as deeply connected to God and sharpening your and continue to sharpen your abilities and strengthen your character, let God worry about how far that takes you. If that goes as wide as the world, amen. I just want

to live a life that is full. It doesn't need to be the most successful, doesn't have to have all the sexy awards. I just want it to count for the kingdom and I'm happy in that. So that's what I mean. When I'm teaching my boys this, do your best. Trust God with the rest.

That is so good. I love that. And it's so good too because it's catchy and it'll stick with you. And I just think some of those little catchy things even though sometimes we look past and we're like, oh, that's what dad says, that's what mom says. Those are the things that stick with you the most.

And my grandma used to say to me in the morning before school, if we'd stay in that at her house, every time she'd say, be a good leader in example today. So simple. But I like always remember that. And I still like consciously think about that like today, be a good leader and example, and whatever ways that presents itself. And so I love that so much. It's such a good way to start. So like I mentioned, I do love Christian

Rap. I know you do all kinds of other things. You have an amazing podcast. I was listening to it this week. You are an author. We talk about about that but tell us a little bit about because you wrote about this in the introduction how you even got introduced to Christian rap and kind of a little bit about the back the back side of your story yeah yeah great question Sadie I so just to kind of fast forward to from birth to being about 15 years old. In my teenage years, they were marked by a broken home. A dramatic change in scenery. I was at one point being raised for a significant amount of time on an Air Force base in southern Illinois. Scott Air Force Base and when my parents divorced, I found myself living back in the city in

which I was born and I was surrounded by a world of drama, abject poverty. I found myself trying to figure out what it meant for me to matter or to grow or be a man in this environment, but I was doing it, it felt like by myself and as a result of my different efforts to establish myself, what that meant to these thoughts. I want to get respect from the people around me. I want to be someone of means. I want to be someone of access as I was trying to realize a sense of worth and value. I found myself sinking deeper and deeper into a pit of darkness in that extremely dark place.

Somebody gave me a Christian hip hop CD. The title of the project was called Bloody Streets Vol. 1. The gentleman on the front cover of the album had Red Locks, had a Red Bandana going across his forehead, a Red Bandana going across his mouth. And I was like, okay, so this must be bloody streets as, you know, it must be killing people. There's no way that this is either robbing a bank

or something else or worse, this cannot be Christian. But the gentleman that gave it to me said, no, this is Christian music. He didn't explain it to me. Just gave it to me and said, you be the judge. So I took it home. I listened to the album. I loved every single song. It sounded like the music that I was listening to, but the content was different. It was nutritious. It was life altering. It was I could relate to it, but it was taking me somewhere other than just flexing on people that I want to flex in front of or taking me somewhere deeper than bragging or being better than the person that's next to me. It took me to the cross. The eighth song was a gospel presentation. And at my grandmother's house listening to that

album I prayed with that rapper and I found out very quickly that the bloody streets was about the blood of Jesus that alvers people who are in the streets that you might feel like you were forgotten. It doesn't matter who was overlooked you. Jesus sees you and if he sees you, it doesn't matter if anyone else does. And this savior was watered to my thirsty soul, life to my dead bones. And I trusted Jesus, listened to that album and I've been walking with Jesus ever since. Wow, that is so cool. It's so cool too, probably for you as you write songs knowing that you're going to have that impact on people's life that that you're had on you not knowing like how cool is that I mean I think that sometimes we

underestimate some of the gifts that God's putting our life and how it's like God's using those gifts to minister to the people around us. Yes. Really think about it. We're like when I was impacted by someone's gift, by someone walking and they're gifting and the fullness of what God have for them and so that's super cool to think about. I mean, I mentioned listening to Andy Minio, and I was listening to one of his songs one time, and it's rap music, so it's fast, you know,

but I'm listening, and all of a sudden I start crying. And it's like all of a sudden I was like hearing what he was saying. And just how it was ministering to me and your music does the same thing for so many people. And so I just think that's love that. I love that. So one thing that's just so cool about this book is that it's called Dangerous Jesus.

And I know just even some people are looking at that. They're like, what does that even mean? What happened there? What does this mean? But when you start to read the book, you quickly realize just the power behind it and your revelation of Jesus being this dangerous Jesus and what that meant.

One thing that I read that was really gripping was how, you know, you mentioned already that your parents got divorced and you all of a sudden kind of had to be the man of the house who were living in a totally different scene. And you had this desire to have a gun based off of like, wanting to be like secure. And it's kind of in that time that you realize the power of a danger she is.

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we deal with. I wrote this book particularly thinking about Jensiers, Millennials, folks who are on the edge of sort of losing their faith or those who have already walked away or those who have not considered Jesus. I'm writing this to put this portrait of the Jesus of the Bible in front of people in hopes that if you could see him for his power, his wonder, his beauty, his glory, that there would be no more convincing, you would become obsessed with what you see because he's too beautiful for the, there to be any other reaction. For me, I, I hail from hip-hop culture. There's a sort of triune value system

for many people that come from hip-hop culture and that is this idea of money, power, and respect. He who has the most of that, he who has more of that has more manhood, they have more life, they have more the thought was happiness, you have more security that you were secured in how much money, power and respect,

that's just not a hip-hop culture. I think that that's just a cultural phenomenon. It's at the bottom of a broken humanity's deepest desires. And what I found profoundly in the Lord Jesus Christ is that he is the the the Zenith, the Apotheosis. I'm trying to use regular words. I'm sorry. I love it. He is. I used the Apotheosis in my last interview. I was like, why didn't you even say that? I love it. I'm like defining it, but I love it. He is the fullness, the most brilliant display of the most resource. The God who owns a thousand mountains, a thousand worlds, the one who is the source of all

joy, happiness, grace, mercy, forgiveness, He is the richest being in existence, right? In terms of power, okay? What are we talking about? The living God speaks to nothing and nothing obeys. Wow. And emerges with things. This is the power of God. And then in terms of respect, there is no one that is worth more valuable, more deserving of our worship and our reverence. He is indeed the one who is most sacred. He is to be most respected. And here's the kicker. Those who refuse to see his worth and respect him.

Jesus will always have the last word because every knee will bow every tongue will confess. If we're talking about respect, God has that in infinite. So when I think about resource, power and respect, Jesus defines. He is the sum. He is the he's the purist source of all of that. I don't need to be defined by that. My savior is the source of anything that can be considered true resource, power and reverence or respect to be in him is to be safe. It's to be cared for, to be secured. Then when I think about the word dangerous, you think about in the realm of sports, I was on your husband's podcast. I know he's very athletic. If you think about someone who is like, they get on the field, it was, say,

it's a football field, like they're the star athlete, that gentleman is dangerous or if it's tennis or in the boxing and ring. That lady is dangerous. The dangerous means that they are a threat to the opposition, opposition, that there's, if there's any enemy forces, if you have someone on the court or on the field or in the ring that is considered, the one who is the triple threat, then they put the enemy at bay.

They put fear in the opposition, they are a threat to all the things that were threatened our victory. And at the same time, they are a safety net for their team. What does it mean to have Michael Jordan on your team? You walk out on the court and Jordan is over there on the sideline, you know, getting ready to come in the game. All that gives safety security.

Oh, we will win. And I think that when I think about the nature of that, this is a Jesus is a person that steps in. He is a threat to all the things, the injustice, the evil, the wickedness, the unforgiveness, the bitterness, our lack of healing. He is a threat to all the things that would threaten us. In other words, to say that Jesus is dangerous is to say that he is a force that moves in,

changes everything, cannot be bought, cannot be canceled, cannot be deleted. And he is a danger to all the things that would be dangerous to us. That's who Jesus is. And then on the flip side, real quick. Let's go. On the flip side. It's a double entendre. I'm a rapper.

And I wanted to have Jesus on the front cover because if you're in the airport or Barnes and Nobles and you see that, I also want the skeptic or the opposition to say, oh wait, yeah, dangerous Jesus. Jesus is dangerous. We need to get rid of him. No, no, no, no. I also want to draw you in so that you can see that there dangerous Jesus Jesus is dangerous. We need to get rid of him. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I also want to draw you in so that you can see

that there is a kind of dangerous that comes out of misappropriating Jesus, taking Christianity and hollowing it out. As Dallas Willard said, wanting Jesus, is simply becoming like vampire Christians that want Jesus for his blood, but they don't want them for his life. That kind of Christianity is dangerous. And we want to discern the misrepresentations of

Jesus from the true Lord Jesus Christ of the scripture. Yep. Come on. Let's go to church. That was so good. I love it so much. You know, I can't help but think people are listening to this and they're like, man, I've never even heard of that Jesus. Like I do want that Jesus. You know, it's like they've been fed this false gospel or had this false representation of Jesus because of people in the church and how they treated them. And you actually talk about this and I love this. You talk about who are you proclaiming, you proclaiming the Christianity of the land

or Christianity of Christ. And you talk about this mainly in the context of how this was displayed during slavery and how horrible that was. In what ways do you see some of that displayed in today's time? And do you feel like is the danger that we're faced with on how we're getting Jesus wrong

as like following the Christianity of the land and not the Christianity of who Christ really is, like the Jesus that you're talking about. That's so incredible. Absolutely, amen. Yeah, that's right. I framed the launch pad into the book. Is the book is like chapter after chapter

of all these different ways in which we might know Jesus for who he is and not the Jesus that often is Imagine in mainstream in the in the world so through like friendship through you know Enjoying life Christian and enjoying life. I'm super excited about that chapter Through justice so on and so forth, but anyways And I in Frederick Douglass gives us this Frederick Douglass one of my in American hero one of my favorite people Douglass gives us this, Frederick Douglass, one of my, an American hero, one of my favorite people in history, gives us this framework of there's, there's always going to be the Christianity of the land.

And we are needing to reject that and embrace the Christianity of Christ, the Christianity of Christ is an unimaginable good for our souls in our world, but it is often distracted or it is often sort of this sort of in competition with the Christianity of the land. So an example of that, one of the things that I've been struck by is Jesus' words, where he talks about the great commandment, where he says that you are to love your God with everything. And I have quoted that verse for many years. Love your God with everything and then love your neighbor like you love yourself. But if you look at the way Jesus talks about it verbatim, he says that all of the law of the prophets hang on

these two commands. And these two commands, Jesus says that the first love your God with everything is like the second, it's likened to the second, which is to love your neighbor, which says to us that those are certainly two different commands. And the order is important. We love God with everything that qualifies our love for everyone else. But we are wrong.

If we miss Jesus' words when He likens the two, He connects them at the hip so much so that you're not doing one if you reject the hip. So so much so that you're not doing one if you reject the other. Yeah. So if you say, I love God with all my heart, my body, strength, all of that jazz. Yet I don't love my neighbor. Yeah.

The Bible wants to say that that's not safe at all. That's actually antithetical to the kingdom of God. In a lot of ways, what it means to truly be a follow of the Lord Jesus is that you are a lover at the essential, the sort of, here, I was about to say ontological. I'm sorry. Hey, we can get up to that, love.

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The essence of what it means to follow Jesus at the core of who you are, your Reson Dechera, your reason for living is that you love God and you love people. And those things are so tantamount, what it into what it means to love, to walk with God. That if you look at Revelation chapter 2 and the Church of Ephesus where they have great doctrine. They have a church that is kicking out false prophets. The John in Revelation talks about there being this sect that Jesus doesn't like. In Jesus says, y'all don't like these folks. I don't like them either. Some theologians believe that that sect is a group of individuals that have a strange approach to sexuality. And he says in that text, though you have good biblical, sexual ethic, you have great doctrine.

You don't tolerate membership with individuals that misrepresent me theologically, but I have this thing against you. You have abandoned your first love. Wow. And then Jesus says, not just get that together or we're going to have a problem or just try to see if you can do better. That's what I think I would say to my kids. Did a great job, son. But see if you can kind of tweak this. That's not what

he says. He says, if you don't return to your first love, I will shut you down. Wow. And what that says is that no matter how much good is present, if this one good thing in terms of having this love for Jesus, that is displayed also when you're in love for people, as he says, return to the works you did at first, those good works of loving neighbor. If that is missing, then it doesn't matter how much good you have, the one good thing that is missing weighs more than all the good things that are present. And what I'm saying is the Christianity of Christ has to emerge as a world of lovers that commit themselves to holding fast to their doctrine as the early church did, not compromising on what it is that they believe. But once you've stayed at your narrow truth,

which I probably agree with you on, what happens next? Are there other ways in which we might, buy our lives, show a world, what the love of God looks like, buy the way we serve, we care, we sacrifice. That's the heart of the Christianity of Christ. Gosh, that's so good, man, if we get that,

if we start to live like that, I think that's whenever you truly start to see the world change. I love how you said there's a quote in your book. I was like, that is so good. You said, we don't just need a revival. We need a recovery of who Christ is. I was like, that is so good.

Like we're looking for all these new things. It's like, go back to the thing and follow that. Yes. Go back to the words of the Bible. It doesn't need to be something new. It needs to be the old man who, you know. Absolutely. Say that, say that.

That's good. That's good. You know, I want to ask you, because I was listening to a clip from your podcast this week, and you were talking about, it was making me laugh, because it was like, it just made me think of me and my friends, and you're talking about a past season of your life, and you're just laughing about,

you can roast each other for it. And you're talking about how you when you first went to college and you and your friend are making all these melodies about how you were basically like a deer with shaky legs and you're going and scrolling. You know, you want to be strong, but you're still a little weak. And so I wanted to talk about just kind of that season of your life and how you went from that, which was like a deer with shaky legs. So you're at now because now just this passion for Christ just pours out of you. This love for God is so evident.

You can't not talk about it. How do you go from that to where you're at now? Because I know a lot of people are in that season right now in their life. Yes, that's very, very, very good. And I'm so glad you picked up on that because I think it was the first time I talked about that because I think when people listen to us sometimes They can imagine that we we basically would just born on fire for Jesus and don't have any kind of past or struggles or Anything like that because yes when I was starting to tip toe into college at first. I was like a a baby deer

or a giraffe walking on ice. So one of the things that encouraged me was having godly people around me regularly. Paul says, it's so funny you said that, say to you about how sometimes we feel like we need something new and something insightful, something deep, something that I'm gonna find on the thousandth page of some obscure encyclopedia, and that's gonna be the key. But oftentimes it's just returning to the simple things. Paul said, we have lots of debates about what certain verses

mean, but there are a lot of verses that are just crystal clear, such as bad company, corrupts good morals. Jesus says to the disciples, I don't, I no longer just refer to you as servants, but you are friends. You think about the triumphant God, father, son, and spirit who existed before creation as a friendship that these are distinct persons who are in community with one another, that the triune God that we serve is a community

of fellowship that then creates human beings out of that. And I love that Jesus calls to disciples, friends, and he calls me and you friends because that gives us the framework of how we are to live this life. Godly friendships shape us and to not have those gives you. Perhaps one of the most important requests on your prayer list that God would send you men, women, brothers, sisters that can help hold you up because in this world you will have trouble. You will be shaky, you will be a fall, you will be confused. There is a cross for us all. I am in my thirties now.

And there are things that I could not have prepared for. I don't know what it is to bury someone I love. I wasn't doing that in my 20s. And now we're doing that. Our bodies are starting to disappoint us. There are things that we hoped would have materialized that have not.

There are struggles that we still have, that we were, our hope in our early 20s is that they would have been gone in our 30 So so we didn't really think much about that we had this struggle and here you are 30 40 50 still wrestling with some of the same things you did as a teenager this world is heavy Yeah, and God's prescription is that you would surround yourself with people that love him and love you. I would say that I am here. I am the man that I am today and I have a long way to go, Sadie.

But whatever of value and grace that I have or wisdom that I have today is been conversations of an encouragement and corrections and recommendations in events and community meetings and service opportunities that have built a piece of me block by block to stand me up incomplete, but certainly I hope by God's grace going forward and not backwards and I have to give credit to God's people around me for that result. God should so good. I could definitely say the same in my life whenever I look back on how I got from from there to here obviously by the grace of God, but the be grace to God, but the people in my life, the mentors,

the friends that surround me, the church, the family, the things that invested in. But I also will say, I remember being in high school, having no friends, and I knew I wasn't gonna go to college. And I remember hearing people say, well, what's college where you meet your best friends in the world, and I'll just cry.

I'd be like, I'm never going to have friends. Like, where am I ever going to meet these people? And I did. I prayed, like, God, I want this, I desire this. I know I need this in my life. It was so cool when I moved to Nashville. It was just amazing how I could not have written the story that God was going to have for me.

How I met my best friends. One of them was literally from walking in a store and I was shopping and she owned the store. And a few months later, she was my roommate. And like, she just loves the Lord and all of these random things. But I say it to say like, those were just answer prayers. Like God was putting people.

So if you don't have friends right now and you're hearing this and you're like, why I want that, but I don't have that, that is not too far of a request for God to handle. I've seen him do it in my life and in years it's so encouraging. I want to ask you about a big topic that you bring up at the very end of your book about identity. And I think that this is so important.

And you know, it was one of my favorite parts where you said, who is KB and you go on to be so vulnerable and sharing just some of the things that have shaped you, made you who you are, some of the times you live where you didn't know who you are and you're finding who you are. Obviously a lot of people listening to this podcast are struggling right now with that question, who am I? How do I discover who I am? How do I become who I want to be when I'm walking from who I have been and it doesn't look anything like it. All these big things when it comes to identity. So can you talk to us a little bit about identity? And even just that idea you're talking about feeling like the invisible man. I feel like so many

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That's a great question. I think that in all that the Lord Jesus has brought to my life, the benefits have been more than I can ever explain. Certainly at the top of the list though, is what God has done in me and for me through the work of the Lord Jesus Christ in establishing a identity that I can be proud of, that I can feel secured by. I just, in brief, I had, I have a wonderful mother. My mom is one of my best friends. She lives with me. I helped take care of her to this day. She's lived with me for almost six or seven years now.

Godly, godly woman, I think that I am here because of her prayers for me throughout the years. I think that I am here because of her prayers for me throughout the years There were some unfortunate situations in our past, you know There was some domestic violence that we saw in our household. We we saw some unfaithfulness by the way by God's sovereignty My story it consists of Having three fathers my biological father who was killed in a drug

deal. I had a second, my mother's first husband, who there was some situations there, and he was out of my, out of our lives, and then third, her second husband, which would be my third father. Some situation there was a divorce, that kind of thing. And I remember getting to this place where I felt is though, who actually wants me. You know, like who wants to stick around and champion me and and and care for me and

who Am I actually by myself out here because that's what it felt like you feel that I feel like that's a very human That's a sort of attribute of fallenness is that when we go through things isolation just Yeah, it just sort of burst in our hearts we even feel like common things that we know other people are going through but we would rather keep it to ourselves because we feel like we're the only one. See as Lewis said that friendship is born when you meet someone and you both can say almost simultaneously I'm not the only one. When I think about my my my mangled kind of the confusion of my past and and even at one point wanting to separate myself from my past

I the last name that I have is of a father who at a point in my life because of my hatred for I felt hatred for what he did to my mother I wanted to change my last name and And I felt like the Lord showed me something powerful. Oftentimes, the glory of God is more displayed in redeeming brokenness, then having a perfect situation that does not need redemption. That's true.

That God can often, and he's pleased to take your name, to take your identity and make it mean something else moving forward, that it redeems what happened behind you. And the place where I saw that happening, the most powerful in my life, is when I asked another question. Before I asked who am I, I got the answer to who is God. Genesis chapter 1. Right?

Genesis chapter 1. Here Moses is with these freed Hebrew, these recently freed Hebrew men and women. They have been in slavery for many years. Small, oppressed nation. Men and women, they have been in slavery for many years, small, oppressed nation. They've been liberated by the works of Moses. Now Moses is here standing in front of these newly founded people of God and he starts with not who you are. He doesn't start with guys. You guys, you're not slaves anymore. Things are great now. You got a lot to look forward to. We do get to that. But he

starts with who God is in the beginning was the God who created the heavens and the earth. He's still the waters and the ancient Near East. The gods of the sea were the most powerful gods that existed. They would have been afraid of the waters. They weren't taming the waters like we do today on all our boats and cruise ships. The waters were the place for all the the sea monsters and the gods of chaos lived Moses says God The spirit of God is hovering over them. Wow, okay? Talk to me nice this God

This God stills water Then I'm doing like oh my gosh gosh, not only that, his image, that of power, respect, and the serving of worship, that God made you in his image. Wow. Then that would have been world shattering like, so hold on. This is who my father is. Yes. Wow. And what that means for me is that I am somebody. I don't mean that, you know, in a in a trite way. Yeah. I mean that in in a redemptive way that that you had the fingerprint of the God of all value, word, happiness.

You name it. His fingerprint is on you. He designed you to be a reflection of his very character, a small taste of what God is like. That's what you get to do. That the image of God on you is more than simply a theological aphorism. That the image of God on you as a function simply a theological aphorism that the image of God on you

as a function. What you get to do is reflect the God who made everything, talk to me nice and then Paul says in the New Testament that those people, those people who are now being renewed in Christ, God is restoring the original image that God put on us that was broken in the fall. God is restoring it. Those people are loved. They are chosen. They are beloved.

And they will judge angels one day. One day we will rule the world with the King of glory. That's who we are. You gotta talk to me nice. I'm sorry. You gotta talk to me nice. Somebody's gonna be replaying that every morning. They could be looking at something

the mirror saying, who is my god? Y'all, that is so good. I'm not kidding. Whoever's listening to this, if you need to hear that, I would encourage you to go back and listen to it over and over again until you get the revelation of who your god is

and what it really means to make an image of God. That's not a cute saying. That's not just a confidence booster and a self-help way. That is a real reality of who your God is. What me God is. That was so good. I love that story of Moses

and even at the very beginning of God calling Moses, it's like God was teaching Moses that lesson when Moses was like someone secure and Moses is like, who am I? That I could do this? And God responds to Moses not. Well, you are Moses and you're awesome. God says, I am who I am. And I just love God. He's like, it's not if you can get who I am, then you will then in return realize what you're called to do. And God says a theme throughout all of the Bible. You even talk about this passage that loves so much

whenever Jesus is asking the disciples, who do people say that I am? And then Peter says, Jesus, like, you are the Messiah, you are the Son of living God. And then right after that, Jesus in return says, and you are Peter and on this rock all the much hurt. So it's right after Peter identifies who God is. Jesus then tells him who he is.

And that is how our relationship with God works too. The minute you realize who he is, you begin to understand who you are. And then you get to understand what you're called to do and you do it with a new confidence that you didn't have before you realize who your God is and say what a great way to lay it out guys to just love this conversation so much. Also whenever you start your church let us know we'll all be there. We'll all be there Sunday morning ready to wake

up. You are preachers. Just everything you say is so good. God's just totally giving you a gift with words. Amen. It's fun to listen to. Thank you, Sadie. One of my favorite stories that you tell in the book, and I think you told us on my husband's podcast,

but hey, we got different listeners. So I want you to tell it again, because it's a story about you really being caught into a dangerous situation of faith on the mission trip because I do think that sometimes faith does call us to dangerous things and you talk about this a lot in the book that Actually, in America in the United States. It's actually one of the hardest places to Display faith because we're not challenged in our faith because it can be so comfortable and complacent And so it talks us about the time

you're asked to go on a pretty dangerous trip. Yeah, yes, yes, yes. Thank you for everything you share, I say that I was super encouraging. And yeah, so this story is, it happened to me some years back where my church was planning a trip to go strengthen churches in West Africa that we had been supporting. And when the opportunity arose, I jumped all over it. I thought, this is kind of what I do.

My degree was in missions for crying out loud. This seems to be something that would be fit for me. This seems to be something that would be fit for me. I actually initially felt called to it. I felt, you know, this is what I have been trained in, you know, the Lord is beckoning me to go towards. We watched the pastor at my church organized a meeting at his house for us to watch a documentary about the place we were visiting. And I know I'm gonna tell people how I got to my past his house and and I will you know I kind of santa then you know at looking around our everybody's everybody everybody got your passport got your shots you know I

still got my vaccines you know and we set I set down and all that confidence I had just dissipated as he put this documentary on the documentary was rough I mean it was stories of cannibalism and there was a missionary that was martyred there not too long ago. There was two civil wars rampant instability And and here we are about to fly over to that, and the documentary was cut off,

and he turned the documentary off and kind of passed the room. We were all shook, all nervous, and he started by saying, if you don't want to go, we're not going to judge you. So it's good to protect yourself. You know what I'm saying? That's beautiful.

Yeah. So nothing's simple about that. But for those who are called to go on this trip, the pastor said, this is a call to lay your life down for Jesus. And when I heard that, it sounded like how I sounded my music, how I sound on stage, how I sound in conversation, even when I'm sharing the music, how I sound on stage, how I sound in conversation, even when I'm sharing the gospel, that I'm talking about the immeasurable value of the Lord Jesus Christ that he be worth even my own life. And here I have an opportunity to test that assumption.

And I got very, very concerned, very, very nervous. In fact, I left my pastor's house and was planning on just trying to paint the picture to my wife as terribly as I could so that she would say, no, my baby ain't going nowhere. He stayed here with me. Yeah. I got home. I set my wife down. I was like, baby girl, they basically want us to go do mission work and hill. I mean, that way, what are your thoughts on this and my wife pause and she said

Well, do you feel like God is calling you to go and my my initial reaction was I'm like that that's not what I want you to say. Yeah, but I was like, yeah, I think so. I mean given I Am a missionary She said well, I think you should go then. And I said, Michelle, if I go on this trip, I might not come back. There are people that are going on this trip that are making videos for their family members

and the event that they don't come home. You want me to go and do this. I'm young. I'm like, there's books I'm trying to write and albums I'm trying to make. I want a full family. She said, if God is calling you, I think you should go. And I said, what if I don't come back? And she says to me, if you don't come back, God will take care of me. You need to do what he's calling you to do. And it was in that

moment that I felt overwhelmed. Well, shortly after that, I felt overwhelmed with this, this sense of, of, of all that God really is as good as He says He is. He's not going to lead me anywhere where anything can happen to me that's outside of His schedule. If I am following him, I will not a hair on my head will be touched. And if a hair on my head is to be severed. And I love my dreadlock. I want to lose them. But if that does happen, I will submit to him in his leading because there is more joy and following Jesus into the scary place than there is staying cooped up in my kind of rebellion disobedience lackluster lukewarmness. And I felt that I did go on the trip. I went out there and I

tell people about one of the first nights I was there. I was on a concrete bed in the middle of the 18 hours into the jungle. Mosquito net over my head. It's hot. I'm hungry. Weird noises in the jungle. And I started to chuckle, and I started chuckling because I realized that though I was in a very uncomfortable place, I had the joy of the Lord in full, so much so, that I would have rather be laying on a concrete bed in the middle of the jungle, knowing that God is smiling at me,

than to be anywhere else outside of his will. It's true. And it doesn't mean that everybody's gonna go to jungles or that everybody's going to live the life or walk the path of a martyrdom. But for every Christian to equip ourselves with a spirit of sacrifice that says, even if it's scary, if God is calling me,

I'm going to trust in obey because there's nothing but reward for me on the other side of this. Oh, man, that's so good. That's so true. And I think that's when you really understand what like peace at surpasses all understanding is. And it comes from when you're in the midst of the scariest situation. But yeah, there's this peace and no, I'm right where I'm called. I'm right where I'm supposed to be that God sees me in this, that God's led me to this. It makes me think of that, you know, the story shall write me a second of a minute ago. It's like, my God is him, my God's able, but even if he doesn't, and sometimes he will, and sometimes he won't. And in that case scenario, they're with the fourth man in the fire. So imagine what like that had to feel like, I don't know if it felt like peace

But I imagine in some weird way it did that right. They're right where this was to be they're getting a supernatural encounter They walk out without a hint of smoke on them. That's always a the craziest verse to me But how does similar situation where do you know Bob golf? Of course. Yes, I know yeah, Bob invited my mom and I to Somalia. And he was like, we want to go to Somalia. And you know, it's going to be kind of a dance, but you know how Bob is. He's like, that's going to be great. Let's go. And he's like, you know, whatever. And so we go. And I remember sitting on the plane on the way there, you know, we had to wear all the things. And a lady beside me, she very broken

English and she said, why are you going to Somalia? And she said, you don't need to go to Somalia. And like, it was like, I was like, oh, like, it's just like this moment of like the reality of what we're about to do. And I've not always been a person that really struggle with fear. But at the same time, I kind of wanted to prove to myself the same that you said, if I'm going to preach this, do I really believe this? If I'm really going to say, like, I'll give my life to you, God, am I really going to do that? And this was kind of an opportunity to test that and to go over and get to just meet

extraordinary people and do some really amazing things. And so we went and it was crazy. Like the first night we were there. I felt this like, I felt this like fear wake me up and I woke up and I just started quoting us or reading Psalms 91 just over our room that you know we were just hidden under the shadow of God's wing and just really speaking this over and I just felt like a piece come over. Next few days we came into some kind of scary moments but just had this piece and this joy and I just felt like a piece come over the next few days We came into some kind of scary moments But just had this piece and this joy like you said it was a joy there

And you like I would not feel this joy anywhere else in fact We had this one moment where we were we were got to hold these babies that had been rescued from literally the street And I just remember thinking I could stay here forever like I just love And I couldn't even believe I seen that but that's how I felt just so in that moment loving on these babies and the moms that Were there that had been reunite was just beautiful and anyways them the day we left We had to go through like the most insane security and the day we left an hour after our fight took off Right where we were

staying at the hotel and everything. The largest terrorist attack in that part of the country in the past like I don't even know how many years like hundred years or something happened. It was it was really devastating terrible it shook me we were so shaken and you know I don't know why I wasn't there, you know, and I think even if I was there, God's still good, right? But what it did show me is that God knew the timing of my coming and my going. And God did call me in there in that time.

And I think me waking up and quoting Psalms anyone and believing that over us and then leaving and feeling that protection that makes me emotional because it was just so real and you know, as scary as some of those situations where I would not trade what I'll learn from that for anything in the world. So I think if God is calling you for those listening to dangerous situations, to dangerous faith, you have to realize that you do survey dangerous God that that has, KB said, a God that's respected that every knee will bow, every tongue will come fast. And so if that's what God's calling you into, I would just, from a

person who struggled with fear and anxiety, say yes, because you're going to be blown away. But what you see, and actually now, I don't struggle with that as much anymore because when death loses it's seeing fear does too because that's essentially what we're scared of the most. And so KB I love this but one thing you said I answered in recently was this is one of the most important things that you've ever put out. And so before we in just to talk about the book a little bit more what do you think the importance is that you really hope people grasp as they read these words that you've written? Absolutely, thank you for sharing that, Sadie.

That is stirring. I wrote the book for three audiences. One is just simply the believer who, you ain't going to wear Jesus's Lord, you're not confused about that at all, but you want a kind of, you want resources to help you go deeper in that love that you have for him.

And you want resources to help you to serve better and helping people discern from the Christianity, the Christianity of Christ, from the Christianity of the land. I also wrote this for the, we're probably one of the largest Deconversion movements in history, in American history that's happening right now. For those who are kind of out the door, who feel like they, we mentioned them earlier in the episode, like they have, they've in a lot of ways, feeling like the Jesus that they knew is basically a fabrication

and instead of getting to a purer sanctifying, many times there's deconversion. I want those individuals who have kind of walked away, sort of deconstructed out of the faith. I want those folks to read this book. And lastly, I'm looking for the skeptic or the person that's far from Jesus. That maybe only Jesus they know has been these mainstream representations, where they might actually think that Jesus is not a good, a positive good for the world. I want you at the table too, because in this book, I am warning people to have a clear vision of who God is. I mentioned earlier that,

you know, I alluded to it, but what I do is I'm a vision clarifier. I help to remove the things that are making it difficult for you to see. I'm trying to get things out of the way and like a tour guide in front of a wonderful, wonderful display. I'm here to say, hey, come right over this way. Check this out right here. Look how this is so brilliant because if you can see the brilliance of God, you become obsessed with what you see and I'm doing that in this, I'm hoping that people find me doing that in this book. It's great.

There's a clear vision, but there's also a clear path. Here are the things that we ought to be doing in light of the gospel to Lord Jesus Christ and in those things by God grace. I think there is revival in recovery. Yeah, God said, it says so good. Well, I'm excited for people to dive in. I'm so excited for people to hear this because I've personally been so encouraged by getting to sit and tell you, so KV, thanks for spending time on the woods, good podcast and for putting out all that you do. Awesome. Thank you so much, say to God bless you. you