WHOA That's Good Podcast - How to Turn Your Biggest Fails Into Something Amazing

Episode Date: June 23, 2021

Christian music artist Chris McClarney joins Sadie's brother, John Luke Robertson, to share his advice on not taking yourself too seriously, failure and redemption, and how to be OK with taking risks and making mistakes. They also discuss having zero shame about listening to fun pop music, the superpower of an Enneagram 7, the secret to faking an expensive-looking watch, Chris' songwriting process, and how he plans to use unreleased "orphan songs" to help actual orphans. This conversation is full of laughs and great advice! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, I'm John Luke. I'm so glad to be on the podcast this week. I can't wait to interview my friend Chris McCartney. We met two years ago and we haven't talked in a long time, so I think we're going to have a really good conversation. Chris McCartney is a worship leader, songwriter, he's part of Jesus' culture. He's done a lot of amazing things. So we're going to talk about all that and who knows what else. Honestly it could go in the direction. How are you? I'm doing amazing. How are you doing? It's so good. So it's good. I haven't seen you in forever. Yeah. Yeah. Two years since we've talked. Something like at least. Yeah. At least. At least least. And that was like the most fun tour ever. I distinctly remember you dressing up like Waldo

during Q and A time. Yeah. So we dressed up like a dinosaur. There was, yeah, the amount of costumes that we went through in 24 days Like I don't even know we didn't even have time to get them. They just kept like showing up right Waldo costumes. There's a bear at some point. I

Just kept telling my wife to order costumes off Amazon and Every every weekend when we go home for a couple of days. I get new costumes. So funny. So okay, so we met for the audience here. So we met at the original tour. I guess that was three years ago. Gosh yeah. And then I did one stunt on the next chore, so we got to hang out for like one weekend. Right, right. Oh man, such good times, because that was,

and I learned, I felt like I learned a lot from you because I hadn't really, you know, been on tour. And so you were, I felt like you were like my like mentor friend. Yeah, your fellow seven on tour. Yeah, how much yeah, how many hours we spent talking about the in-eagram. So many. Well, I think it's because sevens are just innately super proud of being sevens. Yeah. So whenever we find another one, we're like, let's talk about how cool we are.

Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. That was the whole talk. Because everyone was like, we want to be sevens. We want to be sevens. We're like, no, it's not. We're not saying sevens is the best number or just don't want to be seven to be seven. We're like no, it's not we're not saying sevens is the best number or just

Don't want to be anything else But the other numbers are great. I love all the other numbers. Oh, yeah, except for eight because they're mean Uh-huh I don't like eights. They're mean. well, we bonded over our avoidance of eights. And yes. Our love of twos and avoidance of eights. Yes. Yeah. And I love, I actually loved nines too. They're always a good hang. Uh-huh. Yeah. There's good audiences. Yes.

Yeah. Well, that's what you say, because that's what we found. Everyone's to be a seven until we just self-destruct. And yeah, I mean, because you do so good and then we want to hit that candy and sugar, sweets, cookies, we would just destroy some sweets. Oh man, remember I think we got the largest candy bar you can buy. Didn't we buy the biggest snickers bar ever in a gas station?

Yeah. Oh yeah. It was massive. I mean, we're talking like, it was long. Like actually the size of my arm. Yes. Like legitimately like a log of Snicker Bar. That we went through in like two nights probably.

Yeah, maybe not even that. Yeah, maybe not even that. We started to like cut it up, but then it was like the knife, it was too like tough for the knife to cut the pieces, so then we started just, just, just shoving it into our mouths. Oh my gosh. So what does it look like for you when you hit that wall? Like what happens?

So like I know what happens to me, but yeah, fellow seven to seven. Well, it like sevens is like you have that high energy And then it just gets like so it just is like the fun just bills and bills and bills and bills and then you just like Consume and then you hit that like delirious stage of just like Everything's funny and you just have no clue what's going on at that point. And then all of a sudden it's just just black. You just, eventually we were just sneak away. And that big, that's the move of a seven, two. It's like, you go and then you just

back out, slip into your buck, and just call it a day. There's no, there's no starts or stops, it just. to your buck. Yeah, just call the day. Yeah. Cause there's no, there's no starts or stops. It just, no, it's just fun. Uh, as much fun as you can handle, and then you're like, I need to rest. Uh, uh, yeah. Okay.

The big thing is when 2020 hit, uh, uh, I actually, I'd never experienced that kind of like not hanging out with anybody, everything. Yeah. And it like, I actually had a panic attack and I just didn't know what it was. I thought I was dying. I ended up at the hospital. Yeah. And it was only because never in my life had I experienced like that kind of like trauma of not being around people. Yeah, I just missed it

Did you how did how did 2020 do for you like that? Um, yeah, it was wild like we Once it started in March like Mariket night. We were totally quarantine But once may hit we We still thought we were gonna have camp. And so we brought in our full staff to camp. And so we had, we started like 50 college kids. We did COVID tests like every two weeks. And someone in our staff got COVID. So we had to shut down for the month of July. And but so we were all exposed.

So we had to say it camp. So we we spent five weeks, Mary Kate and I, 25 college kids and our two seven-year-old cooks just at camp quarantine just us every day. Wow. So. Was it fun? Yeah, the first one. It kind of sounds fun. Oh yeah. Oh, well, so we had all the food that we were gonna give the campers

and we had all like the Thee Nights party decorations, everything like that. So we had full out themed parties just with us every night. But then like first week, we were like doing that, staying up late. And then like first week we were like doing that, staying up late, and then like second week it was like, started going to bed a little earlier, sleeping in, and then like, but still like everyone's excited,

then like third week it was like, all right, like we're starting to get to know each other. And then like by the fifth week it was like a ghost town. Like we would like, we all had our little spaces that we were like, group date. Oh, we know each other way too. We know each other way too well at this point. Oh, dude.

Oh, man. That's the worst for guys like us that are cool the whole way through, but when everybody starts fighting it like week two, And that's the worst for guys like us that are cool the whole way through. But when everybody starts fighting it like we too. It's like, oh no. Yeah. But we got so many things that like we film podcast videos, we fix things like any project that we could think of, we just like did it.

Which was that one. That's awesome. Yeah. The Council of Franks, on behalf of Delicious Oscar Meyer, 100% B Franks has declared its official position. Oscar Meyer, 100% B Franks are 100% B Frank Delicious. This summer, choose Delicious, choose 100% B. Keep it Oscar. Choose delicious choose 100% beef. Keep it Oscar Then this year you able to do camp. Yeah, so we're doing camp right now full swing. It's awesome Dude, yeah, is that where you're at right now or you at camp? Yeah, I just left 105 year olds to come here and Real

to come here and talk to you right now. Real. Uh huh. Dude, it's crazy. It's so much fun. So much fun. What? Oh, yeah. What was that like?

Like, because you were really, did you do like the really quarantine thing and like, what was it like? Yeah. Yeah. So actually, my daughter got COVID like the week it showed up in the US. She was on a trip to New York on a school trip. And so her teacher got sick and then she got sick, but they wouldn't even test people back then.

They were like, only bring in old people. We don't have enough tests. So they basically made us stay in our house and not talk to anybody. People had to drop stuff off at our door. And we did that for three weeks or 21 days or something. That was still back when they were like, I don't know how long it lasts. Just stay awake.

Yeah. So we did that. And then we actually did a really good job with church and everything. I just, we live real close to church. I'd walk over to church and we'd record services. But it was just killing me slowly because you couldn't hang out afterwards. Like, I would get to see people for an hour at a time or two hours at a time.

And I just have too many stories to fill up only one or two hours, especially when you're trying to worship and stuff. How did you feel the rest of your time? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Oh, I get, I get real bad if I get bored, I'll go into like, just play games on my phone all day or just watch TV. And I could do that like indefinitely. I feel like it's

how I maintain sanity. But everything around me is crumbling. My wife's mad. I don't I seem to not care about anything. And I'm like, I'm just trying to survive. They plan, playing stupid games on my phone. It's like going into the high burnation mode. It's like, you can't, you just have to turn it off until you can turn it back on. That's so fun. Oh, gosh. Yeah, what a, there's had to be some new hobbies. You picked up. All right, so my biggest one is I started researching watches, like nice watches.

Yeah. Right, but I'm too poor to buy nice watches. So I just started buying these casios. Yeah. And I like them. They're like so cheap though. But one sec, I'll show you. Yeah, brilliant.

So I got this G-Shock. It's like a $100 watch. But then I spent another $100 on a fake AP bracelet. So it looks expensive, but it's really just a G shot That's so funny. Okay, so let's let's get into our question Let's get into our question of the podcast the whole thing so we're on low that's good What is the best advice you have ever received? Oh the best advice you have ever received. Oh, the best advice. Gosh, that's a hard one. I think,

like ultimately, the one piece of advice that I've stuck with and held onto and I feel like it's done the most good for me is somebody said, you really can't take yourself too seriously. If you want to be doing, if you want to be in worship, like, especially what we do is so, I mean, we're leading people into a deeper connection with God. Like, it's not just singing songs. And I had a buddy tell me real early on, because I was getting real nervous,

and I cry after I sang, because I messed up. And he just kept saying, did you can't take yourself too seriously? And for some reason it stuck, I heard it when he said it, and I just started like embracing the fact that I messed up. What? So this past, even this past week, I had the most hysterical flaw on stage.

Like I failed so hard. I was just like trying to hit a note that I shouldn't, shouldn't have even tried for. Yeah. And I was the first one to post it online. I was like, everybody needs to see how stupid this is. So yeah, I think that's my biggest advice. It's just don't take yourself to seriously.

You don't get angry as much. You don't stress out as much. You're not crying as much because you're messed up. Or I mean, that's all. But that's kind of a seven super power as well. Yeah, where we can reframe anything. So, that's, it's so good and that's so important, especially in like a ministry job

when it's really not about us at all. Like, leave worship or like anything, any way that we're leading someone to Christ is there's, it's nothing that we're actually doing. It's only Christ working through. Right. So there's no reason for us to even get mad or get upset or whatever. It's like, right, it might be a cop out, but it just is what it is.

I was just trusting Jesus. Jesus, hey, I'm just here. But that's real. That's how I feel like I've tried to live my life. It's just, and I think we talked about it on the road, but the whole way I got into music was I was trying to get a record deal and got one. And then I felt like God said, don't take it. So then that started this journey where I got into helping the poor and then accidentally got back into music. Like our sound guy posted the worship from the church

service I was leading that on my space. And then Jesus culture recorded songs that I'd written. It just kind of happened. Yeah, but yeah. Oh man, that's awesome. Yeah, do you feel like, since you heard that advice, like, has there been times you felt like, you really leaned on it and times you felt like,

you've been doing really good? Like not taking yourself seriously? Oh yeah, I really, I really got good at that. I don't even think about it anymore. I just don't ever take myself seriously. And you know, we hung out like, I'll take God thing seriously. I take people seriously, but I don't take myself seriously. And I really, I don't feel like I have a hard time doing that anymore. I did when I was young though. I mean, it's not an easy thing to get over.

Especially when you're living your Christian life on stage and like, it's not like I'm just saying to God at my house by myself, but I do it in front of people. So I'm always making these like tiny adjustments to seem cooler to them. But at the end of the day, it's like, well, I mean, I gotta get rid of all that. Yeah. That's not helpful to the cause. Yeah. No, that's so good. Well, I ask you that because I think about, you know, I'm at camp and I've got, you know, college

staff. And, you know, that's a real struggle for them. And thinking like, am I saying the right things to these kids or like am I leading them in the right way? And I think that that's something so important that you're speaking into of like, you've got to make a lot of mistakes before you get there. And that's totally fine. Yeah, ideal. Obviously. Yeah, I deal. And yeah, and end the fact that nothing teaches you quicker than a mistake. I am a huge fan of giving people space to make big mistakes.

And honestly, I don't like especially in worship world. There's not a lot of downside. Unless you're doing something like horribly Like morally wrong then I just can't see how you leading the wrong song or saying something stupid in between songs Would ever really impact the grand scheme of the kingdom right so that like Being able to make mistakes and to just own them and be okay with it. It doesn't define you. You're not going to carry that for the rest of your life.

I think that's what I've kind of. And for those that are willing to make mistakes, especially if you're a my end where you're leading worship, the whole thing train wrecks and you're just like, oh, let's start over. When you do that, the crowd is with you like 1 million percent. Yeah. But in fact, I promise you it helps them worship better because now all of a sudden they're not thinking about the performance of it.

It's like clearly this guy's not putting on a performance because he should have practiced if he was. So I think it takes all of that weird energy out of the room anyway. So in that aspect, I kind of don't mind playing the fool a little bit like just being goofy on stage just so that people kind of like loosen up just really enter into worship. Yeah, there's an honesty that comes with that because you're exactly right. It takes people from thinking about like, this is a performance.

They're like, oh, that's a real person. Also trying to worship God, the best way you can do it. And they can better be led in worship in that way. One thing I was thinking about when you were saying that, like, you have to make a lot of mistakes and you have to own it because every once in a while If it works out it could be really cool and oh yeah, and what you were saying about like being you know As long as you're not making moral mistakes. It's You're taking risks in the best way and I mean you look at the Bible and like

Those guys are taking risks left to right. And when it worked out, it was super cool. And like that high note, you said in this video that if you were to hit it, it would have been epic. It would have been epic. It would have been epic. It would have been epic. But that's like the weird part about people

that come to church is, or that lead at church sometimes, is like we love sports for what reason. It's not knowing how it's going to work out. It's the like the unknown of it is why we watch sports. If we knew who was going to win, it'd be stupid. So in the same way, we love it in a movie. Someone takes a risk. There's no story if people don't risk. Yeah.

And we're, so we love this. Like this is all we consume as humans, is other people's risk. Like, oh, I wonder what's that movie where he risked. And I think we need to make that switch from enjoying watching other people risk. Yeah. To just, whatever people are doing, just take the risk, see what happens. Because at the end of the day, I mean, if you work in a bank and you take the risk of like making a joke with someone that walks in, it's out of your comfort zone.

I mean, what some words that can happen. Yeah. So, I think people need to take more risk, have more fun. Yeah. Just see what the day brings and maybe not organize everything to the second. Especially in Christianity when we have the best safety net around. Oh yeah, yeah. Like why? What is it? Like why? What is even this life when we have Christ? life when we have Christ. It's this. It's a it's one and all the people in the Bible it's like like in the Hobbit it's out of the frying pan and into the fire

like over and over but it's the story of redemption. It's that yeah and Jesus says there will be trials. It's like this stuff happens and it's how we navigate it that determines You know what happens on the other side of it and take him risk and just failing every now and then Getting back up like that's the human experience. There's nobody else Perfect, but we all think we need to be. I don't know You're right and God's kind of whole thing is redemption. Right. Like why do we expect not to be redeemed when we fail?

That's kind of the whole thing. Right. That's the whole point. Right. Exactly. And I think another point that we can talk about too is allowing other people to fail well. I encourage you to do that.

Well, to help them when they do fail. And that's why we, I almost co-lead with someone every time I lead. And it's just like, they got my back if I mess up and I got there back. I don't know. We bring in new people people I'm always like hey like just go for it let's see what happens mess up if you need to yeah I mean it genuinely doesn't hurt the church if somebody sings a bad note on Sunday that's so funny I think the balance in that and you can kind of talk about this too, what's the balance

of not taking yourself too seriously, letting the spirit lead, but also trying to do things with excellence? Oh, for sure. Well, obviously, we're able to do stuff like that because we practice for forever. So, like we have the safety net of, I'm going to play the right chords with my hands because they just do that. I don't have to think about it. So I like, in some ways, the excellence isn't in the moment of taking a risk. Like the excellent part isn't in when at the Olympics in a few weeks when they all line up on the starting line,

that's not where the excellence happens. Yeah. The excellence happens and them running all the time. And so I think if you're committed, if you've committed your time and life to taking energy and thought, learning and instrument well, learning the craft of songwriting or worship leading or carpentry or anything in the world, then on the back end of that, when you're actually doing it, I don't think you need to be thinking about the excellent part as much as you should be thinking about, like, let's make it genuine and real.

I don't know. Oh, that's awesome. That's it's right there. I heard the, I heard it court the other day from a past day. It hit me so hard. It was about praying in the morning and like, by reading the morning, because I'm the worst morning person ever. Oh, yeah me too and me too and One thing he said he said was discipline is not waking up early. It's going to bed early and I was like God I hit me

That hit me And I think that's the same point the The excellence is not like the waking up. The way the excellence is a discipline of going to sleep. And that's the same kind of idea. It's like we think of the big moments as like this is the moment where Christ shines, but it's really in all of the background. Yeah, that Christ works. And that's some really good.

I like that. Can I steal it? Yeah. Well, you stole it from another guy. Yeah. So I'll steal it from you. I want to be fine. I want to say that was J.T. Picluda who said that. Don't tell me that because I'm just stealing it anyway. Yeah. I don't want to know who's going to be mad at me. No idea. I really don't. I just, that's the first name of the camera to my mind. So.

Dude, that's actually super cool though. I love that discipline is going to bed. Because it really is. Yeah. Dude, I went to New York last week with another worship leader friend, we were writing songs. Yeah.

And they got us the tiniest hotel room. And it was me and him sharing this tiny, tiny hotel room with two twin-size beds, side by side, sharing this tiny hotel room, and we stayed up till four or five a.m. every day, talking like little kids at church camp. Like the five-year-old you just left what they're doing laying in bed yeah trying to be quiet you just giggling we did that for three nights straight hey what you would have loved it that's yeah that's idea what time do y'all wake up in the morning oh yeah I wish it was afternoon we We had to actually be responsible. Uh-huh.

No, well, I live at church camp and so that's me every night. It's like, I need to come visit. I tell the council. I want to come visit church camp. Oh, you got to come. I tell the council. Well, I like to do this whole thing at the beginning. They're all going to watch this later and be like, this is what he does every night. We, I give them this whole speech about going to bed and like going to sleep and not staying up. And then like, I like 11, 15 flights out.

Like, they gotta be in bed there. 11, 15, they hit the cabins. I, we, we, we turn some music in the sap room and just Like 15 minute dance party and then we're like we go into our conversation. I don't think I've been to bed It's it before one since May so Amazing what time do you have to wake up? Oh? well Breakfast is at a 50 depending on eight fifty, depending on the week, between depending

on the week. Yeah, but eight fifteen is where I try to get. But you don't need breakfast to you. No. No. You just wake up in time to be where you're supposed to go so people won't be mad at you. Uh huh. Yeah.

That's when I choose to wake up. Uh huh. Well, that's something too. Like, take a shower and put my clothes on, before I get in bed. So then I just, I'm just, from the time my eyes open to the time I'm supposed to be somewhere, I only need like 45 seconds. So.

So. So. Dude, I love, I am living the same life. We bought a house like a block from church. Literally, it's right outside my house. And so I wake up at the time sound checks supposed to happen. Brush my teeth and I'm making the church five minutes late.

Nobody ever says anything. I'm living my best life. That's the life. That's the life. That's the thing about life is like, how can you, there's a lot of things in life you have to sacrifice, but it's setting up your life in a way that you can like, enjoy it. Like, that you can do that.

Like, I'm gonna move five, I can't even move and walk this, that's not way I can do that. Yeah. Yeah. And now, like, you know, you're probably a lot more responsible now. But as a seven when you were younger, we like to, like, double book things. We like to, like, completely forget about things or end up in the other side of the world when you were supposed to have a lunch with someone.

Yes. So I bet this living so close to church takes like 90% of that pressure away because when I get the text that says, Hey man, where are you? I'm like, I'm on my way. And then I'm there like a minute later. And they're like, Oh, he's totally on his way. Yeah. And for you, he's totally on his way. Yeah, it's one of the other days. And for you, it's even easier.

You wear the same outfit every day. So it's not like you got a cheese on. I mean, when the same thing every day, it's so much easier. Life is so much easier. You wear the same clothes every day, your chews. Make sure you're clean and dressed and out the door. That's my set up at Camp Geoca because I've got so every my whole day is so scheduled and like we wear the same

clothes every like you know we have like things that so the campers can identify us so like I don't have to think of I don't have to think about what I do where I go what clothes are going to wear I just wake up and just follow the schedule and then it just ends. Well, then the schedule runs out on the left 15 and then I just go nuts. Okay, so you just released a new song, Speak to the Mountains. So let's just talk about that process then too. Like what led you to write that?

How long has it been in the works? Oh, dude. So at the beginning of 2020, we had a little writing camp just with church people from around the US. Mostly churches, it wasn't like a cool hip camp, but there were a lot of cool people there. It just wasn't the typical Nashville like Cool Kids Club. But we sat down and wrote this song. The whole goal was to, I don't know a nice way to say it, I just wanted a song that was like a big middle finger song to the devil. Like this year sucks. Just a song that's like, no, and just a song that's like no and and we sat down I kind of had that vision for where I wanted the song to go. Then we just started talking about how like I mean people are facing these things and they're like their stuck and their own like fear or the unknown.

And it was just like, let's give people, just remind people that God is bigger and better and stronger and greater than your mountains. And so the way the song is framed up is it's like, I won't be shaken, I won't be moved because my God is faithful and his promises are true. So I speak to the mountains, it's time to move. So it's like just kind of a big spiritual middle finger, not an actual bad one, but just like, just, hey, devil, my God's bigger than you. My dad's bigger than you, type playground stuff.

And they let me put a choir on it, which makes me happy. Yes. Yes. I think that is like, that is perfect. That is perfect, we're going to go back to what we're talking about before about failing and like being okay with failure.

I mean, that song says it perfectly, you have like saying like, okay, this sucks. Like, this is terrible. But our God will redeem us. He is faithful. Yeah. Every time he is faithful, every time. There's always, always hope. And because of that hope, we can say no big deal. Like, yeah, this is terrible in the moment we can like be honest about that but we know it's gonna get better. It will get better yeah hopefully it gets better this year. Maybe a long time. Yeah and they take a long time but at least it's there yeah man that's so good yeah um what okay so like when you say like riding camp, just because I'm very interested

in that, like how does that kind of get started and how do people find out and like how does that work? Well, typically like this one was put together by capital, who is my record label. And they also have like passion and a hill song and a lot of the big like main church things. So Jesus culture, they work with my church. So they were like, hey, would you guys be willing to write with churches everywhere? So a lot of us that live in town or the elevation guys came in and we just wrote four church instead of writing for Christian radio or Christian audiences but like, hey, what's going to work at your church? Let's try and make that song. So that's how that one worked. Capital put it together and people flew in from all over to Nashville and we just went to people's houses and wrote once in the morning, once in the afternoon.

I think I got one song out of that. Sometimes you leave with a few. Sometimes you don't get any. I mean, it's, I mean, songwriting is not an exact, it's not a sport for science, you're not, it's like all just, maybe it'll work, who knows. How many songs did you reject? Oh gosh, I wrote so many songs this past year, well in the year before. My goal is always to write like upwards of 50, ideally 100, and then we keep 10 of them. Yeah.

And it's not that the rest are bad songs, it's just that we'll back to the excellence thing. If you write every day, or twice a week, or whatever, then at the end of that time, if you take the best of those, then that's a representation of real excellence. And so yeah, that's what, and I call them orphan songs.

I've got lots of songs that no one will ever hear. I call them orphan songs. And we're actually, I just started this new thing where I'm trying to get songwriters to buy into the idea that what we do as worship leaders and worship songwriters needs to be anchored to the poor. So what if we figured out a way to use some of these orphan songs to actually help orphans. So I've been tossing that idea around and I would not be surprised if in a couple of years, me and a bunch of your favorite worship people

put out a song with never released songs that are orphan songs and it just goes to get kids homes. Yeah, that's amazing. That's awesome. Yeah, they're gonna be cool. That's so cool. That is so cool. And that's, I think that's something

in talking about like the excellence and even going back to the best advice of not taking yourself too seriously. Like you, you're just riding for the enjoyment and just letting God use, you know, use what it is. And now you've got this potential thing of all these like things that you would define as like failure of like not, you know, it didn't make the cut. Now going into something that is going to be changing lives in ways you would never have thought of when you created that in the first place

Yeah music and that's one thing that I just I can't relate to it all I can't I've never been able to like Anything about music I can't hear at all there. I'm like then it's my cousin is a he is a songwriter for a while and he would he would say I'm like I'm like the worst The worst customer. I'm like the person who like only likes pop like Like whatever is like all the radio whatever is like mainstream like that's what I'm into Well to be fair that's me too, and that's so I'm into. Well, to be fair, that's me too. And that's so weird, nobody else gets it. Yeah.

I'm always like to my kids. I'm like, there's a reason why this music is more fun. Yeah. It's like they picked what's the most fun song to put on the radio. Uh-huh. And it was that one. So I like that. That's so funny.

What's someone with do a Leba and the baby that levitating? I love that song. I love that song. You want me? I want you baby. Mush of the moon. I love the baby. I love the baby.

I love the baby. Yeah, yeah, no, no. Oh, that's so funny. I love it. I love it yet. It makes me so happy. I first I was like, and I love it. Uh-huh, I've it yet. It makes me so happy. I first I was like, and I love Ariana Grande.

I think she's awesome. Totally. I love all of them. Yeah, at first I was like, oh well like I guess I'm not cool enough to like be into all this like, and he's done. Now I'm like no shame, I'm just into it.

Like bring it. Yeah, this is what I like to be. I mean to lyrics, whatever. Bring it. Yeah, this is what it's going to be. I mean, do lyrics, whatever, bring it. Yeah, who cares? Yeah, you made me do it. That's real. Man, this has been an awesome conversation. Thank you so much for being on.

I'm so honored to have been the host this week. So glad for Sadie allowing me to do this so glad we could connect I'm so happy we got to reconnect. Yeah, this is fun. We should hang out whenever you're in town or oh totally If I'm ever in your town. Yeah, I'm gonna come to your camp someday. Good. Hey, I'm gonna do it Hey next time next time say these off off of the podcast for a month We'll get on and we'll have, well that's good. Oh, John Lee Chris part two. Yes.

Yes. I'll help you co-host. Yes. It'll be amazing. Yeah, let's do it. We won't get anything done. No, but we'll wait past time already. And we'll just keep going.

They're changing the values of the cameras. We're just amazing. All right, dude. All right, cameras. We're just amazing. All right, dude. All right, man. Have a great day. you