WHOA That's Good Podcast - Macros, Modesty, & Marriage | Sadie Robertson Huff | Ally Yost | Ashley Hetherington
Episode Date: September 3, 2025Ally Yost and Ashley Hetherington ("Jesus Freaks") are back with Sadie for a raw convo — from gym fits and convictions, to when “healthy” turns into a full-on idol (because counting macros can ...low-key take over your life). They also get real about singleness stories that don’t have a “happy ending” … at least not yet — and why it’s actually okay to just leave it at trusting God.Plus, Ally and Ashley flip the script and ask Sadie some questions too: about her own single season and how she knew Christian was the one. https://fastgrowingtrees.com - Get 15% off your first purchase when using the code WHOA at checkout. https://drinkag1.com/whoa — Use my link to give the new AG1 flavors a try, plus get a FREE Welcome Kit! Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://trymiracle.com/WHOA and use the code WHOA to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Chapters: 01:15 Sadie's a "Jesus Freaks" superfan! 03:30 Idolizing food and exercise 10:30 Personal convictions 16:40 Gym clothing convictions 19:13 Leading worship & singing 36:30 Singleness & dating & waiting for a spouse 41:05 Ally & Ashley's question for Sadie 49:53 Making the most of where you're at 52:00 How did Sadie know Christian was the one? - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Happy Wednesday, everybody.
y'all Monday's episode was just so good getting to talk to Ali and Ashley and we had them fly all the way here from LA so we could not just do one episode we had to do two we talked for so long and I honestly could have talked for so much longer because they just carried the joy of the Lord they had so much good advice and it was just so fun to talk to some sisters and friends and so this is part two a continuation of the conversation we had y'all there's so much more to learn from them and I am so excited to dive in
So now I'm going to get to my random things that I wrote down.
Okay, this is something I loved about the show that you guys showed.
And I hope this is okay to talk about, if it's not, tell me no.
But it was you with the ice cream.
It was like the overthinking should I have a cup of ice cream.
And I related to that so much because,
when I told y'all, when I told you
that like me and my best friend
went through so many similar things to y'all
so I remember
I had kind of struggled with like
eating patterns in the past
like unhealthy things and
then my best friend
had two but I didn't know that about her
so whenever we met someone
we were like both on tour together she was a backup
dancer and I was speaking and that's how we
met and someone brought
her like dessert and it was like
to celebrate her on tour and it
It was just, like, chocolate-covered fruit.
And she came in, and this is when I first met her.
So I didn't know her well enough to, like, know the depths of this.
She's like, do you want this?
I'm not going to eat it.
I was like, you don't eat it?
She's like, yeah, I just don't, like, eat that much sugar.
I was like, it's fruit.
Like, it's like chocolate-covered strawberries.
Like, to me, I didn't even think of that really as dessert.
But it had been a while since I had kind of been in that negative headspace.
And she was like, yeah, I just, like, I don't eat sugar.
And I was like, okay, well, yeah, sure, I'll take it.
So I, like, ate it.
And then it kind of made me, like, sad because I was like, man, what, like, what is
that in her mind?
Like, what is grouping her?
Because then I started thinking about my past and kind of where I'd come from.
And I hadn't thought too much into it when she first said it.
But then over time, I started noticing these patterns in her.
And we just walked through a journey together of, like, overcoming that mental space that
came around food.
And we actually went, like, too far extreme in the opposite direction.
and became like unhealthy and we had to like ran it in and get back on track of like okay no there's
beauty to like being healthy and balanced and you want to feel good but we also needed freedom from
like the mental space that we had been in and so I just thought it was really relatable like
seeing you kind of walk that out um was that something you like wanted to share on Jesus freaks like
were you like I actually want to share the side of me or did it just kind of start coming out as you guys
were filming yeah it's a really good question Sadie and I'm so glad you're on
honest about it too because it's so real. And I feel like even being in LA, we are around this
all the time. Like a lot of people just don't eat. It's crazy. I think being an industry
entertainment, like, you just don't eat. You don't ever have ice cream. You don't ever have.
It has to be sugar-free. And I remember I had been really in a season of idolizing food and
exercise, like idolizing my macros, idolizing whether I was hitting my protein, idolize whether
I was getting my workout in, it was, it was an idol.
It was like above the Lord.
Like, it was like God and then like exercise and food were like right there.
But like God was still like above, but it was like really teetering the line.
And I just remember it was during the season of J Freaks that I was dealing with that.
And so we were trying to be as honest and raw as possible.
And we didn't script a dang thing, which is wild.
I don't know.
The Lord really truly moved and spoke through us.
But I remember one of the days that we were filming, we were getting ice cream, and I remember
like every part of me didn't want to eat the ice cream, but we were literally shooting.
So I'm like, okay, we're going to film this.
And also like, I want the ice cream.
And it's not wrong to want the ice cream.
And then that's just kind of like, that was the beginning of the Lord just doing that new
work in me because it's really good to value health and exercise.
It's good.
The Lord made us to honor our bodies as temple.
We're not supposed to eat ice cream for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, okay?
But to put it, to make it an obsession and to make it like an idol.
And I think, I know some people have health concerns, but for the most part, if we're never having sugar ever, I feel like it's like low-key become an idol.
If we obsess over even like our protein goals, the Lord told me the other day, I'm like, he's like, you don't have, nothing bad happens to you if you don't have your protein.
I'm like, that's a really good point, God.
You're so right.
Like, if we ever think about something more than God, or even like...
And it's so crazy that.
It's so easy for that to become obsessive.
That's how it is for me.
Like, I had to get rid of Apple Watch Fitbit.
I couldn't wear anything that told me where my health goals were at.
I've been thinking about that with my aura ring.
I couldn't do it because I was like, I obsess over it.
And if I don't hit it, then like I feel like I failed.
And I'm like, who set that goal for me?
Like, me?
God didn't put that on me
I put that on myself
I know I'm like
Who is standing over you right now saying
Who told you that? I'm like
It goes back to Genesis 3
Yes it's what you're saying
I've become obsessive over it
And a little bit like
Perfectionist over stuff like that
And I don't know
I could relate to a lot of your story
And just the way that you approach things
Because I feel like I think like that sometimes
So anyways I remember like
With the Fitbit it's like hit 10,000 steps
And I was like now I have to hit 20,000 steps
And it was like just like too much
And then the Apple Watch is like, you know, your ring.
And then me and Christian would both have both of ours on our.
And Christian's such a fitness, bro.
And he's like a freaking beast.
And I'd be like, good for you.
I'm pretty far off mine.
But also I'm like, I am in a different stage right now.
Like I'm mothering and I'm doing this.
And you don't account for that though in your head.
You're just like, I failed.
And then you feel like a failure when you're like, you did so many other things great that day
only because you felt in this one area that you were obsessing with
and that has become too much of an idol.
So I've really had to watch that and myself.
can't let myself go there and like part of that for me is not having those things because it just
like gets me in my head and that's really helpful and just surrendering that and just being okay with
it but that's a mental battle like I still like no for sure I mean I would because I was like
counting my macros and I'm not saying you should count your macros or you shouldn't I'm not saying
that but like I was so all day I would think about food yeah all day I'm like okay I'm eating breakfast
and I'd be thinking about what I have for lunch or for dinner literally crazy I was thinking about food more
God. Exactly. And what a crazy distraction. What did you say yesterday about idols? You're like
idols distract us or something. What did I say? What did I say? You said some fire. Well, yeah,
I was just basically speaking on how the enemy is so sneaky that like these are technically
things that are good for us. But he'll warp it and he'll twist it and convince you that by you
obsessing over your macros is you actually treating your body as a temple. You're
honoring God. The devil knows your heart posture is always to please the Lord. And so if he can
twist it and kind of manipulate the narrative, you are actually working against taking care of your temple
because now you're obsessing over it. But it feels like it's honoring to the Lord. Like it's, it's wet.
And be careful with like over spiritualizing things like that because sometimes you do excuse like bad
behavior because it sounds spiritual or it sounds right. And I think too you had to be on guard and like
use discernment because back in the day like it was obvious what sin was you know it was like okay
shouldn't do that shouldn't do that kind of want to sinful life it's like not obvious when it's
something that's not necessarily like sin but sin is what separates you from God it's a distraction so it's
like it's a distraction so it's like okay that might not be a sin I'm what does it say is it
James or it says if you know what is right to do and you don't do it for you it is a sin and it's
like that's such a cool verse because it's saying okay that actually might be
not be a sin for you, but it is for me. Because to me, it separates me from God. And I know the right
thing to do and I'm not doing it. And the Lord told me not to do it. It's like, you know, John the
Baptist was prophesied over him that he would not drink. He would have a sober mind, you know?
And then John the Baptist is John the Baptist and look at what he did. Well, Jesus, like,
drink wine with his disciples, you know? Like, so it's like, okay, well, it wasn't for John the
Baptist, for him to be filled with the Holy Spirit, but for the disciples, it was okay.
And so, like, if the Lord calls you to something, if you're not supposed to do the macro counting,
you don't need to do the microcount.
Or the or the ring, or whatever.
I mean, I was at a gym.
It's all women's gym.
I love this gym.
It's awesome.
But they do macro counting.
And one of my best friends was going to the gym with me.
She did it.
And I just told her, I was like, I can't do this part of it because I will get mental about it.
And I think it's great for you to do it.
If you can do it and, like, keep yourself healthy and everything.
but to me it won't be healthy because it's going to be mentally unhealthy and then it's just going to
defeat the purpose of what this is for. So you got to use a sermon in your own life to know what God's
called you to do and how he wired you and how he made you. I mean caffeine's that way for me. I drink
very little caffeine but I've gone through like seasons and when I say seasons like two years I'm
not drinking any because it makes me anxious like my heart races. I do and then I feel like
more tendency towards anxiety. So it's like you.
you have to discern what God's doing in your life.
So true.
Might not be a sin for anybody else.
Might not even be sinful, but it can get there if you allow it to linger.
One thing both of y'all are so cool at sharing is y'all's personal convictions.
I saw, Ashley, you posted recently, like, you felt personally convicted to not wear, like, sports bras and biker shorts to the gym anymore, which is, like, what every girl is wearing.
And, you know, so sometimes that can feel hard because you're like, okay, why am I not supposed to do this?
and then you feel like not as cute as everybody else.
Like, how have y'all walk through learning discernment from the spirit
and following your convictions in your individual lives?
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support the show. That is an amazing question, Sadie. Because I think a lot of people are like,
I know God's voice. How do I know what God's telling me to do? Okay. I actually think I know.
So, and I want you to share too. Good. But okay. It's kind of like I want to make this super
personable. So it's kind of like I'll be doing the thing. And then I feel kind of like God's just like,
he's just kind of like there. And he's like, it's almost like a dad. He's like, you know,
just kind of looking at me. And I'm like, what are you looking at? Like, what do you? And I just feel
he's like we can we can stop doing that we can put that away we can you can wear something different yeah
yeah i just feel this presence and that's conviction yeah and like like how do you know if you're feeling
convicted you just feel god as a father being like yeah it's not best i love that as a father yeah
it's not shame it's just like it's not your best yeah yeah you just feel off so i'd be at the gym
and i'd be wearing these outfits that everyone in the gym would be wearing but for some reason i
felt off about it. Even when I was like, you know, living an impure life with my ex-boyfriend
at the time, and I was still a Christian, I had this spirit inside of me. And I would feel God
be like, no, you know? And so that's, I just feel a fatherly conviction. Yeah, about you.
Yeah, I think that's, yeah, that's really real. And I think, honestly, I feel like for Ash,
like the fatherly conviction might have been a little quicker for her because my journey with Jesus,
I mean, it was literally just me and Jesus. Like, I didn't really know God as the father. Like,
I hadn't seen that part of him yet. So, yeah, I mean, whenever I feel like something could be
questioned where you're like, okay, actually don't know if I know the answer to this. Like, is this
actually something I should be doing or not? Jesus has always just been like that friend that's
like, hey, you know what? Maybe we just don't then.
You know what I mean?
Like, if it's a question and you don't feel super solid about doing it,
just don't.
You know, because we're going to lose and not doing it.
Having, like, best bud, like, no, we don't.
And he's always so chill about it.
He'll be like, hey, girl, maybe we just go without it then.
I'm like, you're right, Jesus.
Allie, do you see Jesus?
Okay, I don't see him, like, standing in the room right here.
But I do get, like, a picture of him in my mind.
And I can, like, see his facial expressions in my mind.
Like, I think he uses my imagination that way.
So, like, I don't see him.
standing, but I will. I'll be like, yeah, you're right. You're like, yeah, better not.
Not a good call. Not a good call. That's so funny. And it's so real, though. I mean, you see it
as a father, a dad standing there, like, kind of disappointed. Like, we can do better. And you
see him as a friend. And that's the beauty of God. Like, he is father and he is friend. And that's
the most mind-blowing thing in the world is that the God who created the universe? Like,
what, hello, is your father? And then sent his one and only son to go.
and die on the cross to forgive you of your sins to, like, allow you to actually be in relationship
with God. And then not only did he stop there, but then it gave you his spirit to be inside of
you so that at any time, anywhere, any place, you can access a personal relationship and friendship
with God and discern what God would be saying to you because he is speaking to you and he is
moving through you. And you do feel conviction for a reason. So like, yeah, it all checks out.
That's actually like who God is as a father, who God is as a friend.
and who God is as a spirit. It's amazing. And yeah, it's so interesting about the topic of
like modesty and a sports brawl thing. I felt the same way. And it's interesting because I've
gone through different times where I didn't feel that way and then times where I was like,
oh, okay, well, I don't really feel like I should wear that anymore. And recently, Christian
and I were on a trip to Austin, Texas. And everyone in Austin was looking so cute and their little
bag of shorts and sports brawl. And I was like, babe, everyone just looked so cute in their little
outfits and I was like and I don't know why I just don't feel I don't I don't feel like it's
modest on me but I don't think it's like immodice on them necessarily and then he was like
okay coming from a man he was like I think it is immodest on them he's like it's too much to see
and he's like and I wouldn't feel comfortable with you wearing that in public because I just
don't want someone looking at your body you know in that way and I was like that's really
cool to hear him say because I think even like from a girl's perspective we're like oh it's
cute you know and then you hear a guy's perspective and you're like yeah but it's actually like not
worth it you know because you can look beautiful and be a little bit more covered and you know and it was
just cool to hear my husband say that because I was just kind of processing it aloud and Christian's never
like one to be he's not over bury he's not like you can't wear that you can't wear that but I asked him
I was like I feel like it doesn't really look and modest on
them. Why do I feel that? So he's like, you're not crazy. He's like, it is. I mean,
it shows a lot. And like, as my wife, like, I don't really want you to be wearing that.
I'm glad you don't. And it made me feel better because I think sometimes we think, oh, well,
I want to wear that because if my husband's going to see them wearing it, then I want him to
see, like, me wearing it. And I felt that way in high school even. I was like, well,
it's immodest, but like, if all the other girls are wearing it, how would I get a guy's attention
if I wasn't, you know? And like, you just feel those insecure thoughts. If I wasn't doing what
everyone else is doing, then how would I get that attention? Same thing with social media.
If I'm not posting bikini pictures and like, these guys are going to see them and how am I
get to stand out. And it's like, then you have to think about what do you really want in life?
Like, what kind of guy do you want? Where is that leading to? What do you want out of that
satisfaction, out of that person's acknowledgement of you? And if you really think about it for
longer than a minute, you realize, oh, actually don't really want what the outcome of that
would be. You know, them noticing my body. It's actually not the outcome of it.
want. I actually want a good relationship where me and this person have a lot more than just a
physical attraction. And that's the kind of person you're going to want to marry anyways. So I think,
you know, again, the pattern of the world, you don't stop and think about that long enough.
Then when you do, you're like, actually, it's not worth it. You know, it's just not worth it.
But I love how you guys approach things like that. Yeah. Gosh, I'm looking at all my little notes from
things that I've learned from y'all. Oh, you're so sweet. It's true. It's so true.
Oh, one topic on the show, I love that it showed, was your desire to lead worship.
Yeah.
And, I mean, you're very good, very talented.
The one song you put out, like, everyone was listening to all of a sudden.
It was like whenever I started following y'all, and you were like, I don't know why this song is all of a sudden picking up so much, but like God's using it.
Probably because it's the show, because as soon as I watched it, I looked up, your Spotify, like, what worship songs that she put out?
Because, like, that's what you do.
It's like, oh, she wants to sleep worship, she put it a song, I'm going to go look.
So hopefully that's what people have done.
But what was cool, it was that wrestle with, like, you wanted something so bad, but it wasn't really happening yet.
And again, people look at you and they go, it's happening for you.
But it's like, no, there's this one thing in my heart that I really desire that isn't.
I mean, me and my friend talked about that recently.
I was like, God has done so much in my life.
If you didn't do another thing, I'm forever.
grateful but there's this one area that I actually feel like he put in me and created me for
that I haven't gotten to yet like I've tried hasn't like it just the door is not open yet for
whatever reason and that can be really hard you know because you're like you're standing at the door
like you're knocking you're ready you're like god you put this in me why did you put this in me
and the door's not opening and it just kind of felt like you were walking through that where are you
at with all of that as far as desire and worship leading and what you're doing with it oh say to you
like honestly described that so perfectly because I feel like that's been just the story of my life
with my singing is like I yeah I really feel like the Lord has given me such a love for singing
I've been singing since I can remember like since her verse vine actually my first vine that ever went
viral was actually me singing and my sister was I think she was either playing guitar or loki
beatboxing we had like I got find it either one six second cover that we did and it went off yeah
Yeah, and I, even when I was 16, I auditioned for American Idol.
And then when I was 18, I auditioned for The Voice, but I didn't get past the first
run, because there's like a few rounds before you even get to the judges on, on, you know, TV.
And I think that was, like, really discouraging for me at the time.
Like, when I was young, I was like, I'm going to be a singer.
Like, that's, I just, that was my dream.
And so over time, and I, like, grew up doing choir and all of that in high school and stuff.
But over time, I just got really discouraged.
I got really insecure about my voice
I had people telling me that it wasn't good enough
it wasn't anything special
and so when you hear that so much
you just start to believe it
you know and especially when things aren't like really happening
you're like okay maybe this was just like a dream
that I made up like I don't know you know
or maybe I think I sound better than I am I think that was a big fear too
where I was like am I one of those people who like are you know
we love them but like they're tone deaf and they can't sing
and they think they can you know you see it on American Idol
they like set these people up and they but
that's always so bad and you're like why didn't you're like
why didn't your family not tell you?
Why didn't he would tell you?
It's like, hey, you just got to learn the hard way.
So like, am I one of them?
Like, so, yeah, and I expressed that on the show where it still is just like this burning
thing in me that has not left my heart.
And I'll say I'm still kind of in that same place.
I've reached out to my local church and there's a little bit of conversation right now
about joining the worship team.
But like, honestly, there hasn't been a whole lot of traction with that.
And so it's just a daily surrender, honestly, where I'm like, okay, God, I know that you put
this in me for a reason and so um you're giggling because why are you giggling whenever you're done
i'll share okay uh so it's crazy because the lord will use the church in such a way like where he'll
just prophesy and he'll speak through his people right and so over the last couple of years
every once in a while and i mean it'll be like a stranger that we've met off the street who just so
happened to also love jesus and is filled with the spirit is insanely prophetic and goes
someone's a singer right here like do you sing and then they're like which one of you sings and I'm like
it's probably me and it's like God will remind me like I haven't forgotten about that gift I'm crazy
not crazy sometimes I'm like you gotta hold on to those things like I mean when people prophesy it
sometimes you got to let it go sometimes you're like that wasn't from the Lord you got to
certain that but then sometimes you got to hold on to it's way too specific where you're like
and it's when it's when it's when it's like God will say the same thing through multiple people
And they ain't talking to each other.
They're not talking to, they don't know each other, you know?
I think the thing that you have to watch for in those moments is not putting a timeline on it, you know, because that's the thing when people get disappointed.
I think God gives you those prophetic words to remind you that, hey, I'm still in it, I still see you, I'm still there.
I haven't forgotten.
It's not time yet, but stay on course.
One of my favorite chapters in the Bible, it's so random.
But Ecclesias, he's 11.
It talks about how there are some things that are obvious.
It says, you know, when a tree falls to the north or south, there it will lie.
When a cloud's full of water, it's going to rain.
Obvious.
They said, but there are other things that are not so obvious.
And it even talks about the way that a baby's formed in the womb and how God works and does things.
And then in verse 6, it says, but continue to sow your seat in the morning and don't be idle with your hands in the evening.
And I love that because it's like, we don't know what's going to happen.
Some things are obvious and some things are.
Some things are a little bit more mysterious because it's the way God works.
But God told me to sow my seed in the morning, so be faithful with what he's in trust.
me with, but open my hands in the evening and say, God, okay, I sewed my seed. I did what I could.
I'm going to keep, you know, singing. I'm going to keep showing up at worship services. I'm
going to keep training my voice. But I'm not going to be out of my hands in the evening. And if this
looks different than I thought, that's okay. And then maybe 10 years from now, you'll look up and go,
oh, well, you actually did have a plan this whole time. I mean, this is crazy, but I was 19 or 20.
probably eight or nine years ago
and I went with a mentor of mine to Bethel
to see one of her friends speak
and this was very overwhelming to me
because I threw up very traditional
and I was like, what is happening?
I still haven't gone, but I heard.
I was like, whoa.
And I love, I'm like, one thing I love about y'all
and I feel the same way is like when you're getting to know
God and discovering God, like don't put anything off limits
and obviously use a sermon in that.
don't be crazy.
But, like, if you're intimidated by the Holy Spirit and, like, what that looks like,
don't just be like, I'm not about the Holy Spirit.
If you don't understand tongues, don't just be like, I'm never going to speak in tongues.
Like, okay, God, if this is something you have and this is the way you work and you want to
work in that way in my life, and, like, I'm open to it.
Like, I just want to know you.
You know, like, don't be closed off to, like, a side of God that intimidates you.
So, you know, go to Bethel and I don't know much about how the Holy Spirit moves like this and whatnot.
And I hadn't seen prophetic words.
like this and I'm just chilling and all of a sudden this girl gets up on stage and she says
girl in the orange jacket stand up and I was wearing a very orange jacket I knew it was me
anyone else wearing an orange jacket just me cool here's just like neon it was like it was orange it was
orange and I'm like so stand up and she's like starts prophesy over my life and she says
God's going to do so much in your life.
You're going to have to be like Abraham
and step out of the tent, look up at the stars,
and ask God for the faith to believe
what he's going to, like,
walk you into. And she started
saying all this stuff, and then she says, do you sing?
And I said, no.
And then she said, I'm going to ask you one more
time, do you sing? And I was like,
yes, I don't know. But I really
didn't. That wasn't like a huge
desire in my heart, so it was kind of random.
But I had such a heart
for songwriting and worship
and stuff like that.
And then she goes, we're going to sing your songs in this house.
And it's so crazy because we started Ella worship.
And Ella worship has been a journey that's taken, like, over six years to, like, get to even now.
And we're just starting, essentially.
But it's so cool because Jen Johnson has been to L.O. conference every year.
And she, like, loves Ella worship songs.
And she literally has, like, helped us.
like, she's, like, amazing, and she's actually leading worship for baptisms this year at
L.O. Conference. And then Mitch Wong, who, you know, is a part of Bethel stuff, he sang with me
on stage last year at L.O. Conference. And it's just crazy. Like, we just had a song we did with
Aiden King. Like, I can't believe it. Like, the church is actually starting to sing these songs that I've
gotten to be a part of writing and in the room for and believing for and praying over. And I'm like,
what was that? And as you're in these moments? Are you like, oh my gosh, orange jacket moment?
Yes. No, I know. That's what I'm thinking. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, it is a surprise to me,
but also I'm like, but God said it, you know? But God said it. And I think that kind of helped me as
I started because again, you look around and you're like, everybody feels more talented than you.
Everybody seems like they're, you know, you're like, what's special about this? And then you have to
realize, like, it really isn't, the things that make it aren't just like the best voice. It's,
Again, like who you are.
It's your story that you have to tell.
It's your originality.
It's how when God knit you together in your mother's womb and spoke your name over you
and had the plans that he had for you, like it was just your voice.
It's something about it that connects with people and relates to people.
And I think people aren't just always into being impressed.
They don't need that.
They want to feel a connection to someone.
So you don't have to have the best voice in the world.
You have a voice that connects with somebody and inspires them or testifies over them or whatever it is.
Sure.
And so I think for me, that was just such a cool word back in the day that I kind of held
onto because she asked me again.
Like when I said no, she's like, when I asked you again, like God clearly wanted me to
believe in it enough to go, yeah, okay, let's see what you can do with this.
Yeah.
And then, you know, from nine years ago to today, seeing what God's done is amazing.
But there's still things in my heart that I'm like, what is that going to come to
play?
What is that going to look like?
But don't spend too much time thinking about the win.
Just do what you're doing.
and then one day you'll look up and go, whoa.
Yeah.
Well, that's key.
I love how you're like, work with what's in your hands, be faithful.
Like up until that point when you got the word and then you see Jen Johnson is singing,
it's like you were faithful with the dreams.
Not not working.
It's not just waiting.
It's working in the waiting.
In obedience.
Like God was dropping nuggets like, all right, Sadie, we're going to do this.
We're going to do this the season.
We're going to start Ella worship.
and you had to be faithful to do that.
And something that this girl he's doing is
Ali sings sometimes is on TikTok.
Anyway, so how do we get there?
How do we start the...
But that's you being faithful.
God said, I've given you a dream.
How can we be faithful?
What can we do with what's in your hands?
Yeah.
So, yeah, I kind of like hit...
It's funny because me and the Lord
have actually done this a few times.
So he's kind of like, all right,
let's just do what we always do, you know?
And so I was like, okay,
I'm not joining a worship team right now.
know she's not happening um i know three chords on my guitar god i don't have i don't have any stages
to sing on that's fine but he's like but then there's the internet he's like you've always done this out
that you have and so you're right and i've done it a few times and i can do it again and so i said all right
i'm going to start a ticot page where i only sing on it and i'm just whatever it's free like i'm
like singing covers i'm singing worship songs i'm just like putting my phone up in the kitchen and
i'm just like blit and it's called ali sings sometimes and so that's what i'm doing in my
voice. I'm just, I'm singing on the internet. Well, you don't know what that's going to lead to,
though. You know what I'm saying? Like, that might be the door that someone from the worship is like,
oh, you got to come lead worship here, you know? And it's like God's, God's doing something in you
right now that's like, you're going to produce so much more fruit than if you, like, were to get
the other opportunity, you know? And I think part of that's just humility and going, okay, I'm just
going to use what I have or have it. When people tell me like, oh, I want to do what you do? And I'm like,
what aspect you know um because if you want to share the gospel with people then like you can do that
anywhere like you don't have to have a microphone or a podcast or a stage I'm like in fact I was doing
this in high school with Bible studies and that's what I love to do and so it's like just start with
what you have yeah where you're at and work towards it and train and get better at it I mean when
I look back at some of the first things I did it's like so embarrassing you're like oh my gosh
But then, like, you just had to keep it up there because it's part of the journey.
You know, it's like, this is a part of the testimony.
It's part of the testimony, you know?
And it's where God had me then, and it's what he did in me then.
And I think that, I think whenever you're young and you, I think people think it takes, like, a lot of confidence to start the TikTok page or to write the book.
And I think, yes, it takes confidence.
But I think equally, it takes humility to know that I'm not where I want to be.
and I'm not the best it's going to be
and I don't know as much as I wish I did
but I have to start somewhere
and this is what I have and this is what I do have
and I think growing up
and like the public eye
I've just realized it because so many things
like in my flesh feel embarrassing
like oh it's kind of embarrassing that everybody saw that
but I'm like but that was where I was at
and that was what I had and that's what the Lord did
and it's cool to see
how he continues to refine you and takes you
and again it shows other people how they can grow
The first, not conference we did, but L.O. event we ever did was in Nashville. It was in 2016, so about 10 years ago almost. And it was just so funny because it was so scrappy. We did not, I didn't do nothing what I was doing. I just had a vision for it. And I grew up really traditional in my background. And I never had seen a woman preach before. And I actually didn't even think women should preach. And but yet God was like calling me.
to this thing. And I was like, well, how do I do that if I don't really think I can preach
and blah? And so anyways, I did skits and monologues on stage at this first event because
in our tradition, like, women could do like, you know, we did like skits with the kids or
stuff like that. And I was like a teenager, so I was used to that because I did like Bible hour
and camp and that kind of stuff. So we have like 4,000 people show up to Lipscomb Arena and I'm
up there doing a skit and a monologue, you know? But it's like, it's whatever.
I had, that's where I was. And now God's done a lot in my life. And I was open to understanding
him in a different way and a bigger way. And I finally felt the freedom to do what he created me
to do. And it's amazing. But like, hey, praise God for the skit. Right. That's where you had to start.
Got me to where I'm at now. So yeah, you got to start somewhere. And it's beautiful. I can't wait to
see how your journey of worship continues to grow. And you, um, you,
do have a beautiful voice, so I'm glad you overcame the lies of people being rude.
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Oh, wow.
Well, it's definitely been a journey.
It's the number one desire I have and it has not happened.
And even just hearing you guys talk, it's like it's real.
just lay down my timing and if it were up to me I would have gotten married like four years ago
you know I feel like the biggest thing that's helped me is surrender and prayer just like every time
I'm like Lord what are you doing he just reminds me through prayer like I've got you I've got you
and sometimes it's hard because a lot of people don't believe that God can write your love story
a lot of people don't believe that even Christians are like so
what are we doing about this area?
And I'm like, I just believe God's going to do it.
And that's crazy for some people to believe.
But it's still such a wrestle.
Like, there's some days where I'm like, God, did you forget?
Like, did you forget about all these prayers?
And there's been times where I fasted and I've prayed and I'm like, it's coming.
And then the year went by and nothing happened.
And I'm like, wow.
So it's been really hard.
Yeah.
It's actually like so good and refreshing to hear you say that on a podcast.
because I hear all my friends say that in real life.
But I feel like a lot of times when people get on like a podcast
or even when they're a great writer like you,
you want to like go ahead and write like the good message in it
and like the uplifting part of it and like make you feel better.
But it's actually just really honest to say,
you know, I have fasting and prayed and thought it was going to be here
and thought it was going to be then,
thought it was going to be four years ago.
And it's really hard that it hasn't happened yet.
Yeah.
But I trust the Lord.
And that's okay to just say, and that's it.
Like there's not like a bow on top.
there's not like a cherry on top it's like and i still cry about it sometimes and i still cry about it
and that's where i'm at those two things can still live in the same room oh my gosh yes they do live in the
same room and it's a good thing that they live in the same room because a lot of people don't put the
other part in the room the trusting the lord part and then you're just sad you know and i think like
that that is a really hard thing to navigate but i love that you said like people don't believe god
writes your love stories and i believe he does and he's going to write a good one yeah you all
mentioned that you wanted to ask me a question about that and I'm so interested to hear what
it was. Yeah. We were talking last night about it. We were like, I wonder if we should just ask
Sadie this on the podcast. Well, because I was like, I'll start this. So here I was. I was
like, you know what? I was like, I don't know how we were talking about this. I started talking
about all the benefits of being single. I was like, I'm just going to think about it. I love your pros and
cons. She really so Ashley core. She really took a video of it and I didn't even know she was recording me.
I was like, okay, we're going to talk through.
What are some of the pros to being single right now?
And I'm like literally like laying down.
I'm like half asleep.
I'm like, so I can do this.
I can do that.
But anyway, then Allie was like, you know what?
We should talk to Sadie about this tomorrow too.
So you can ask the question.
Yeah.
I mean, I basically was like, I feel like whenever we exit a season, we look back on that previous season and think, dang, I really wish that I had like seen more of that or like recognized more of that.
or I wish I had more like eyes to appreciate this thing.
And so obviously with you being in a season of like being a full mommy and a wife and all of those
kiddo.
Yeah.
I feel like the question we could ask is like, are there things from your singleness where you were just like,
it was such a burden at the time, but you're kind of like, dang, I actually wish I appreciated this more.
Yes, 100%.
I love this question.
I'm going to take notes, by the way.
Okay, take notes.
This is the funny thing.
People used to, you know, you go to conferences or events and people ask you advice and
you're, I don't know if y'all feel this, sometimes people ask you advice.
You're like, oh, don't do what I did.
Like, you know, you're like, I don't know if I'm the one you should ask about that.
Like, maybe let's talk about something else.
But then I think the beauty is in that sometimes when you go, man, I think a lot of times
you can teach on things based off of something that the Lord is giving you and something
you feel confident, but a lot of times you can teach all things that you didn't do really well
if the Lord refined you in and that you learn from.
And singleness is one of those things that I did not do well.
And looking back, it's a time of your life, you know, once you get married, like that ship has sailed.
You know, like that time you're not getting back.
And what I did so poorly in it is I was just like striving so hard throughout all of singleness to find my husband
and, like, get into that relationship.
So I never, like, appreciated it for what it was and the timing of life that it was
because I had a timeline in my head, like, I want to get married young, and I wanted, so it's, like, has to happen.
And I dated people I should not have dated, stated relationships longer than I should have.
And just was not the best version of me at all because I was so obsessed with the idea of, like, marriage.
And so I so regret that because I hurt other people.
in doing that, you know.
I hurt the guys that I dated and missed a lot of just like really sweet time that I
could have just had with my friends because when I look back at that time, thankfully the
Lord has taken away the negative because I think for a little while I kind of beat myself up
about that.
Yeah, I was like, I wish I didn't do that, like, whited out.
But then I'm like, okay, but God, so many good things happened during that season.
I met some of my best friends that will be my best friends for life.
They're like my sisters, Lainie, Sarah, and Gracie.
Like we lived together.
We just did the most fun and stupid.
And just like sisterhood girl things, you can imagine.
We totally danced every night.
We totally ran laps around our kitchen table whenever someone had a praise report.
Like we did like it all.
I mean, it was just fun.
And I'm like, I wish I would have leaned into that more and just appreciated my friendships
and the time that I had to even read the word.
I mean, I remember a friend of mine who was single and I'm married and had at least
Honey at this point. I don't think I had Haven yet. And she would always post on her social media, like her morning times. Like, oh, and I read for two hours this morning. And I was really inspiring, but I was also like, oh my gosh, like, I don't, my life doesn't look like that at all. Like, I did not read like that. When would I have the time to do that? Like, it was just, like, crazy. And I kind of like compare myself to her and felt like I need to get my life a little bit more together because I wasn't reading as much and doing as much. And then it was really
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have dinner? You want to go do this. And like that just like so changes when you get married and you
have kids like your responsibility changes, your time changes, your priorities change. And I remember
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And of course, that's like how God does things.
And we're like three months, no, we were more than that.
We're like five months into our relationship.
And I had really already fallen in love with Christian.
Like I already told him I loved him.
He loved me.
but all of a sudden I was like starting to realize man okay if we get married and if this happens
like what is this you know does this take me away from the Lord does this leave me closer to the Lord
and so we took three days to like not talk that much and just pray and I just remember praying
and going on prayer walks and being like Lord I don't want my heart to be divided like I love you
and I've gotten to the point in my life where I really do trust you and if it's not Christian
even though I love him so much
he has done nothing for it to not be him
but if it's not him for whatever reason
then I need you to tell me like now
like give me either a lack of peace
or more peace to pursue the relationship
and after those three days I felt so much peace
that with Christian
we could do more for the kingdom than apart
like I really felt like with him we could do more
with him I felt stronger in my faith
I felt stronger as just a daughter of God
I'd learn so much more about God's character
through the way Christian loved me.
And I was like, okay, this is my guy, you know?
And Christian actually said from the first, like, real deep conversation we had,
he was like, say, if it's a win for you and a win for the kingdom,
it will always be a win for me.
And like his heart to say that made me realize, like,
just how our relationship God really was going to be in the center of it.
And so I'm so thankful.
I took those three days to pray.
And I'm so thankful.
I felt that confirmation from the Lord.
Because in our relationship, I've never doubted that marriage was right for me
and that Christian is the guy for me.
And being a mom is the greatest gift and the joy of my entire life.
And, like, I am so thankful.
So do I miss this thing on as?
No, but I do look back and go, there was so much there.
I wish I treasured more because it was such a gift.
It was such a fun time of life, honestly.
And I don't have those things that I had then that I have now.
My life looks totally different.
I do not have quiet mornings most of the time.
I do not have tons of time to read and do all the stuff.
But I love God more now than I did then.
And I feel so filled in that.
So I don't know if that fully answers the question other than to give my real life experience.
You know, but I think, you know, enjoying it for what it is.
not taking those things for granted. And then when you do find the one, like taking a moment
to go like with the Lord, is this right? Because then you won't look back and go like, oh, I miss that
season so much, you know, because I think some people do that. Like, they get married and they
have this expectation for a marriage is going to be like, and then they're like, oh, actually,
that was more fun. Yeah. It's not about it being like more fun or less fun or more busy or less
busy or more stressful or less stressful. It's like what God has for you and the season you're in
and appreciating it. I try to do that more.
now than I did when I was single.
That's good.
And it's kind of back to that theme of like whatever is in your hands, make the most of it.
Wherever you are.
So if you're single, make the most of it.
Don't try to like wish you were somewhere else.
Or if you're married, like make the most of it.
If you have children, make the most of it.
Like wherever you are.
Everybody says this when you have kids.
It goes so fast.
It goes so fast.
And it kind of like, it's advice that's like good and.
bad because you hear it and you're like okay now I realize it goes fast but what do I do about it
you know because you whenever you first have your kid you really don't realize how fast it goes
everyone's telling you that and you're like okay yeah yeah yeah and those first like three months
of postpartum you're like this is not going fast this is so hard everything feels hard you know
honey like was super colloquy never stop crying your body hurts it's like blah blah and I was just
like I don't believe anyone who just said this flies by and
Now, Honey is four years old, and Haven is two, and I have a third baby, and I'm like, what?
Wow.
Like, what?
It goes so fast.
And with Honey, I didn't take that much of maternity leave.
With Haven, I did.
With this one, I'm taking a bigger one, because you realize that time is so sacred.
Like, it's so funny, my husband the other night was like, oh, I'm not ready to be getting up all through the night.
I'm like, really, I kind of am.
Like, I'm just excited about that because I realize how fast it goes.
And I'm like, with honey, like, I miss that, you know, even though it was so hard in the moment.
And literally I would just start crying when she was crying because I didn't know what I was doing.
And I was just like, this is so overwhelming.
But like, oh my gosh, what a joy to rock my child to sleep.
And now I get to do that again.
And so now I like appreciate even the hard things.
And I'm like excited for like, where's like a crying baby on the plane?
He's like, are you ready for it?
I'm like, I am.
I'm ready for it.
Even though the first time when honey was crying on the plane, I was like so overwhelmed by it.
And so, yeah, I think that that's a good life lesson.
With kids, you get more tries.
With singleness, you get one, you know?
And so appreciate where you're at is so important.
How did you know that Christian was the one?
That actually kind of came from him saying what he said about if it's a win for you.
Because I have been in all these different relationships, and I really clung to people, too.
You talked about, like, people being your foundation and your God.
same like codependency like I felt like I needed someone always you know I always wanted to be texting
someone or calling someone or going to be someone like I just didn't want to be alone and I found a lot of
security in that but with that not the best relationships and I felt in several relationships I was in
that they were a little bit intimidated about what I did and so I would just not talk about it what I did
or I would, like, dumb it down or, like, try to, like, not make them feel like this was happening.
I don't know.
And so when I met Christian, I started to do that, like, naturally, just, like, by default.
We're like, I know how this goes, so I'm just, like, not going to hide it up.
Yeah.
Make yourself smaller.
Yes, because I didn't want him to feel insecure or jealous or whatever.
And so we were going on a tour.
This is, before we did conferences, we did the LOT tour, and we were going to like 20 different cities, and it was going to be all fall.
And it was like, me and Christian had met that summer.
So right before we go on tour, I was like, okay, I think I'm just going to break out with him because I don't want him to feel like, I don't know.
I was just like, I don't want him to have to date me, which is so ridiculous.
I was so in your head, girl.
I was so in my head.
I was like, this is just going to be annoying.
And I'm going to be gone all the time.
He's in college.
I want him to have fun.
Like, it was just this thing.
And so I called him because we were like long distance.
And we'd only been on a couple dates.
So I didn't feel like I was, we actually, yeah, because he came to Nashville like one time.
Where was he been talking?
He lived in Auburn because he went to Auburn.
So I didn't feel like it was terrible to call.
We weren't that serious yet.
And I was like, hey, so I just wanted to like just tell you like you did nothing wrong and you're so awesome.
And like all this stuff.
And I'm like, but I'm about to go on two.
tour and I just would feel like so bad about how much I would be gone and I want you to really
like have a good year in college and I don't want you to feel like you have to come up to
Nashville and blah blah and I was like and I'm just really sorry that this is kind of how my life
is and he stopped me he was like what he's like stop talking which I loved and then he said
never apologize for what God is doing in your life oh and I was like it was like literally
I remember being on the phone being like, what did you just say? Yeah, because I was always
apologizing for what God was doing in my life. And I was always dumbing it down and trying to, like,
I would do it with my friends too. I wouldn't share like any opportunities or things happening.
And they would be like, why don't you tell us this? Like we see it on your Instagram and I'd be like, I don't
know, blah, blah, blah. And he was like, stop apologizing for what God's doing your life.
And he was like, Sadie, if it is a win for you and if it is a win for the kingdom, then it's
got to be a win for me. So if you going on this tour is a win for you and it's a win for God,
then like that's a win for me and I was like
you're my husband okay
never mind forget what I was saying I was not about to break up with you
and when are we getting married
when are we having babies and so I literally changed the subject
and it's so funny because I was telling that
and I was telling that story this year
and Christian said you were breaking up with me
I was like you didn't know I've told that story so many times
I guess he's just never been in the room
he never put two and two together that knew I was breaking up with him
I was like, oh, I was straight up breaking up with you.
He's like, what?
That's crazy.
He's like, good thing I didn't know that, or I might have never said that.
I was like, that's crazy.
I guess I was just communicating very poorly that day.
Because normally I can really get across a message, but I've failed that day.
It was really great.
No, it was the Lord.
It was the Lord.
I'm like, thankfully I fumbled and was super nervous.
So it is really cool.
I mean, I think that's the thing.
When you're pursuing the Lord, you know, as intentionally as you guys are, you want a man
who, you know, is running the same race, like right beside you and not intimidated by it and can
lift you up and support you. And that's one of the coolest things because people have said to
Christian, you know, being Sadie's husband is that horrible blah. And it's so cool because like from
the very beginning he was like, no, like this is what like God has allowed me to come and
help her steward. And I always say like I truly could not have done all this without Christian as
just a rock. Like, has he, like, he hasn't been, like, specific things. Like, he's not speaking
on the stage beside me, but, like, he's holding me up. Like, he's praying for me. He's
holding me up. He's gone through. He's heard my messages five times before I've ever preached
him. Like, he's, like, right there with me alongside the whole thing and parenting alongside
of me. And I really couldn't do it without him. And, you know, I used to really, really
struggle with anxiety. And I really don't anymore. And I really attribute that so much to our
relationship because when I think back to when I stopped it was when we got married you know like
so just having that person so y'all will know he's the one when he's building you up bringing you
closer to the Lord when he's reminding you of who you are and treasuring you for who you are and you don't
feel like you have to shrink down but you actually are like being held up yeah like it's it's such a
gift it is such a gift and y'all are gonna that person's gonna come into your life because you're praying
for it and you're those people um this has been so fun y'all i love a girl chat
Same.
And just girl chat with girls who like uplift you.
I told you all this before the podcast started, but this morning I got up early and watched
both of y'all's testimonies and several of your videos.
And I was like, it is 9 o'clock and I feel awesome about my day and about who I am.
And like that is, that's such a gift that just the overflow of what you guys bring in the words
that you guys say, they're truly life.
You know, you're speaking life.
And I feel so built up.
And I'm so grateful that you came on my podcast.
and shared this with our listeners.
You guys are a huge blessings and just cheering you all on and every single thing God put
on your heart to do.
Thank you, we love you.
We adore you.
We're so thankful to be here.
And we just love what you're doing with L.O.
We love what you're doing with your pod, like everything.
And just I just honor you with everything you have to steward.
You're stewarding it so well.
Yeah.
Thank you, friend.
That's so sweet.
Y'all are the best.
It's the truth.
Y'all are the best.
I'm like thinking about y'all's little coffee date and I'm like, can we be best for
Does this make us veterans too?
Yes, immediately.
I love it.
Y'all are awesome.
That was so good.