WHOA That's Good Podcast - So You Wanna Be a Worship Leader? Start Here | Sadie & Christian | Shane & Shane

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

Shane Everett and Shane Barnard (aka Shane & Shane) pull up to the studio with Sadie and Christian to talk about their new daily devotional project (yes, they’re literally sending powerful worship moments straight to your inbox every day) and why they’re so fired up about mentoring young Christian artists just starting out. Shane E. opens up about his life before surrendering to God and how, honestly, we’re all just professional wanters—whether we’re chasing pleasure, happiness, or even God Himself. Sadie shares the most incredible gift her late Papaw Phil Robertson gave their family—something money can’t buy. Shane B. spills the tea on what it’s like having a daughter who’s thinking about stepping into the music world and the advice he gives anyone stepping onto a stage. And of course, they wrap it up with some real talk about girl dad life.Check out Shane & Shane’s daily devo project at https://devo.theworshipinitiative.com/ - you’re gonna want in on this. This Episode of WHOA That's Good is Sponsored By: https://adelnaturalcosmetics.com — Get 25% off your first order by using the code SADIE when checking out! https://moshlife.com/whoa — Get 20% off plus FREE shipping on the Best Sellers Trial Pack OR the Plant Based Trial Pack! https://drinklmnt.com/whoa — Get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Y'all, I am so excited about today's episode. It truly is such an amazing conversation about the heart of worship. And because these two men are worshipers, it's literally what they do. They came in the studio with their guitar and they were like, do you just want to worship a little bit before we start this podcast?

And it was honestly amazing. So we started out the podcast about worshiping. We wanted you guys to actually get to hear that too, cause it was so beautiful. And I just think if you haven't set aside time to worship today, maybe today, right here, right now, on the Well That's Good Podcast is your minute to just

worship the Lord, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords. And so right now, we're going to go into a little time of worship and then we're going to jump into today's conversation. How majestic is your name in all the earth. O Lord, O Lord, may we see your kingdom come. Father, may your will be done in all the earth. When I looked at your heavens and moon and stars, You said, In motion, O God, I sing all glory and honor, But as man, that You are mindful, the Son of man, That You would care for him.

We sing all glory and honor oh Lord our Lord. Oh how awesome are your ways how majestic is your name in all the earth. O Lord, O Lord, may we see your kingdom come. Father, may your will be done in all the earth. In all the earth you gave dominion to your children and you crown them oh god with glory and honor so we'll sing of your name live our lives for your greatness, O God. In your glory and honor, O Lord our Lord, O how awesome are your ways, How majestic is Your name in all the earth. Oh Lord, oh Lord, may we see Your kingdom come,

For the mayor will be done in all the earth. The earth is full of the glory of God. Come make a match of the name above all names. Creation cries out in every knee bow. Christ Jesus we crown you oh oh oh oh

oh oh Oh Lord, oh Lord, oh Lord. Oh how awesome are your ways. How majestic is your name in all the earth. Oh Lord, oh Lord, may we see your kingdom come. For the mayor will be done in all the earth. Oh Lord, our Lord, may we see your kingdom come. in all the earth. Amen. I can do an intro, but you guys just introduced yourself.

I mean, people know Shane and Shane and we're so excited to have y'all on the podcast. And seriously, any worship leader from here on out, this is what I'm expecting. I'm just gonna say. I gotta say, it's surprising. I don't know if we're gonna get what we just got there, but.

Maybe not, but that was incredible. Y'all just set the bar so high. It was so good, and I can't wait to talk about all of it. And I think it's so, I think it's so good that we just did that, because that's kind of what we're talking about is y'all's new daily worship and devotional thing. And now what better way to start out this podcast

and worship together and worship really the word. That was Psalms eight right there. And I just kind of threw that out there. I was like, I've heard you talk about Psalms eight. And I was thinking, you know, y'all have sang so many songs. I don't know, at the top of y'all's mind. Then it was like, whoa, like blew us away.

Before we get into everything though, both of y'all's names are Shane. So when people interview you, how do you, you know, differ from each other? I'm definitely Shane number two. No, I'm Shane number two. I'm Shane number two. No, I'm Shane number two. I'm Shane number two. No, but I'm E, Shane Everett, and he's Shane Bernard.

So usually it's like E and B. But like, it was funny, a funny story when my wife and I, before we were married, we had broken up for a few years. And in those few years, Shane and I started playing together. And so funny story about like, introing each other. You know, I was, so I'm talking to her on the phone and I'm like, she's like, hey, what's going on? I was like, or I was leaving a message.

That's what it was. I was leaving a message like, hey, it's Shane E. And call me back, you know? And she's like, why are you calling yourself Shane E? Shane E, oh, that's funny. So I would always, because when I would call people I was like hey it's Shani, but like she was like Shani so you could call me Shani. Shani, I didn't call you Shani. Did she call you that? No, not anymore. She calls me Pancake. That's awesome. A little too much information there. No it's not. This is what we want want. She calls me pancake. You might not have said that on the Unashamed podcast, but the Whoa That's Go podcast, this

is what the girls want to hear. And all the girls are like, why'd you break up? No, that's this kind of podcast. So we might have to get into a little bit of that too. But no, Shane B, super thankful y'all are on. Before we even get into your stories and everything, tell me a little bit about thankful y'all are on. Before we even get into y'all's stories and everything, tell me a little bit about what y'all are doing because people have already been blessed now to hear you guys worship,

and I know they're gonna want more of that. What's the daily worship initiative? So yeah, we've, for the last few months, we have been getting together around the table, very similar to this, with our team, and singing to God through His Word. And we do it every day. And we come together to remember and tangibly experience what is true through singing. So we cling to this promise in Colossians 3.16 that says,

may the word of Christ dwell richly in you as you sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs with great molestation in your heart. So our thing is like, do you want the word of Christ to dwell richly in you? Come sing. It's a gift. It's not for singers. Some people's like, hey, that's not my thing. It's like, no, God's given everyone a voice as a grace, as a means of grace to experience the Lord, to hear from the Lord, to bless the Lord, to cry out to the Lord. So we've just been doing it every day. And it's an online app, 10 to 15 minutes every single morning. It's free. And we're just inviting folks in to come join us. That is cool. You have a lot of people joining y'all.

It's crazy. That's so cool. It's crazy. That's so cool. It's crazy, it's just been fun to watch, people just sharing, because we haven't talked about it much, so it's like, we didn't know if we really wanted to do it every day, because it's like, it's a pretty heavy lift.

Commitment. Yeah, and so it's like, we were like, okay, so we snuck it out, we told some people at shows, and then people started sharing it. Wow. And more people started sharing it. And more people started sharing it, more people started sharing it. And then our guys that, you know,

we are a part of a thing called Worship Initiative where we train and teach worship leaders and musicians their craft and that's how we spend a lot of our time. And our team brought us in and they're like, okay, you realize that we have to pay for when people do it. So you can't talk about it ever again. They did. I mean, they're like, do not talk about it.

And we're like, I know you love the ministry of it, but like it's 50 cents per person every month that to do this. And we're like, we're committed to do it. We're doing it. So then it was kind of like fuel on the fire because we're like, don't tell me I can't do it. Don't tell me we can't sing.

You know, and so we've been doing it. And yeah, it's been, I mean, like, I think we're over, even today, Alex just texted me, we're over 1,100 new people today. And it's been that way between 12 and 15. Did you sign up? I saw you on your phone a minute ago. I had to sign it up, but I was, I got your thing though.

No, you have to literally sign up. Okay, well then you have two more right here. Yeah, so if you sign up, and so anyway, but we're committed to do it because we believe that it, it really is like Shane was saying, it's just like the Lord is getting Colossians and in Ephesians five, God has given us a little equation, you know?

And it's just like to teach and admonish one another and all wisdom through singing that the Word of Christ might dwell richly in you. Like, and if we, if we as believers have an opportunity to take advantage of that. That's cool. If He said, do this, and you might get this. Yeah, and it's not just his word. It's like we all experientially know. Yeah, we do that.

Like I actually sang my way into the gospel. Like I didn't grow up in a Christian home. And I used to sneak out. My mom was like loosely Catholic. So like I was scared to like tell her that I was going to this Bible church. And it was after a Psalm eight moment. I had a moment on a rooftop, on a literal rooftop. I was playing football with my buddy at night on his mom's roof. That's what we do in Texas.

That's what you do. Yeah, West Texas. And I had a moment and I didn't know what was happening, but the West Texas stars were out. And looking back that Psalm 8 moment where you have put the stars and the moon in their place with your fingertips. Who am I? Who is man that you'd be mindful of me? I didn't know what was happening, but enough happened to send me to a youth group.

Every Wednesday night I would sneak out, I'd tell mom and dad, hey, I'm gonna play basketball. And I would sneak out to this little youth group. And I sang my way into faith. You know, I remember those first initial songs, you know, you came from heaven to earth to show the way. For me, it was like, what?

From the earth to the cross, my death to pay. What? From the cross, what to the grave? And I like heard the gospel through singing the gospel. And then since then, how many times have like, I didn't really, I can't get around something until a moment in singing. And then I can, like something makes its way from my head to my heart. And so, we're just kind of leaning into that. And going, hey, what would happen if we make this,

like not just a Spotify zone in the background, but like a kind of a place that we go every single day to meditate on God's Word, to sing God's Word, to memorize God's Word. So anyway, it's been a blessing. It's been a blessing. It's such a gift. I mean, truly, because songs do that. They do. They reach your heart in a way that sometimes, you know, you can't really express with your own words. And then someone gives you the words through a song or Psalms. Like, that's why I started reading the Psalms recently, is because I had just felt like life had been so overwhelming. And even when I would go to pray, I just didn't know what to say.

I just felt like I don't know how to even pray right now, because it just feels crazier. I was getting distracted. And then as I read Psalms, it was giving me the words to say to God. And so I started just so simply writing in my journal, which I haven't ever been a consistent journal writer. I'm always the person, I'm like, hey,

let me catch you up to speed in the last month of my life. But now getting into Psalms, having a journal beside me, as I underlined some of the words that are really speaking to me, then praying them on my journal right beside it. And it has been transformative to, I mean, seriously, the past couple months, this week of our life has been so crazy, you know? So many ups and downs, so many really high highs

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I think about, I always tell the story of going through, uh, I had COVID whenever COVID was like the scariest thing, you know, 2020. And I was like 11 weeks pregnant with our first baby and I was so scared. And that was when Brandon Lake's song, gratitude came out and I would just sit in my car and just cry and just sing those words and like pray those words. And that was one of the first, I've always loved worship, but it was one of the first times that I felt so grateful

for someone else's like words that became my own prayer and my own heart, you know? So what y'all are doing daily is amazing because I think so many people want this, but they don't know how to do that for themselves. You know, it's kind of like when you're at a church service, I'm interested to hear what you think about this because you don't consider yourself a singer,

even though we've all been given a song and a unique voice, but you might not always feel that way. Like, you know? Well, you tell me every day how bad of a singer I am. No, I don't. I support your singing and your dancing, despite it being a little off rhythm. But whenever you sing at church,

people are like, the worship leader's like, okay, sing your own song. And some people feel really confident doing that. And then, how do you feel in those moments sometimes? Do you know what to sing or do you just go? Yeah, no, I just I just I give a solemn Why I still sing but it's like a mumbled my point is a mumbled sound even though it's true

Like we've all been given this gift. We've all been used you still feel insecure about the way that you sound But yeah, everyone's been invited not when. But not when I'm by myself though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's good. When I'm by myself, I sing. No, that's great. I belt it when I'm by myself. I'm letting them speak.

Belt it out, baby. Yeah, I'm letting them speak to somebody today. Somebody's here going, this sounds great. I just literally can't sing. This sounds great, but I don't like, music isn't my thing. I can't sing. Yeah, man I want to experience the fullness of God like have y'all walked with people just closely that simply feel it

They just can't sing they can't hear a tune and how about your buddy get past that? Yeah, so here's a good here's a recent story story. So my daughter is in musical theater and One of her friends is you you know, her dad. And I've known this guy, we've gone to church with him for a long time. He's very robotic, like accountant type, like, but very ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, numbers, I love numbers kind of guy. And anyway, so he pulls me aside.

We're at this little performance. He pulls me aside. He's like, hey, Shane, can I talk to you for a second? I said, sure. So I go to the side and he's like, man, can I just tell you, I've been doing that the Devo thing that you guys are doing. And man, it's really helped me like a lot. And I said, what do you mean?

He said, you know, and we've been going to church with this guy for a long time, you know? And he's like, man, I never thought singing was for me. Like, I just, you know, I go to church and I see people singing and I know I have a horrible voice and I see people raising their hands or closing their eyes and I just never thought it was for me. But I've been doing your thing by myself and I've been doing this thing every day. And he's just like, it's changing my life. Wow. Because he didn't think that was a gift for him. And he had never connected with the Lord in that

way. And I mean, he started crying and like, I'm just like, this guy's not an emotional guy at all. Wow. But it's crazy what happens when, even neurologically and spiritually, what happens when we sing to the Lord at such a humbling and like vulnerable place that the Lord is getting, like Shane says it every day, but it's not just a great, it's a means of grace for us. It's a gift that he's given us. And if we deploy that gift, I mean, it's just transformative in our spirit. And so we believe it.

It's really cool. It's really cool. And that's just one of the things that we're just like, okay, it's one of those things, it's just like, man, it isn't for some. Yeah. It's for all of us who have vocal cords. That's really good.

Because I do feel like a lot of people just think that it's not for them, and missing out on just the intimacy with the Lord in such a beautiful way. What's interesting about y'all's story, and I want you all to share about this, is that neither one of you necessarily were pursuing music, thought you were going to be an artist. Take us back to that, because I feel like a lot of people that come on here, it's like, oh, yeah, my pastor called it out of me, or my dad gonna be an artist. Take us back to that because I feel like a lot of people that come on here, it's like, oh yeah, my pastor called it out of me or my dad or my mom.

Like you guys were not, that's not your story. So tell us about that. My dad used to come in my room when I was in high school and in college, when I was at home, he'd be like, I'd be singing in my room and he'd be like, who's throwing up in there? Who's throwing up? He's like, uh huh. I'm like, thanks dad.

That's about all I got. And honestly, listening back, it kind of sounds like I'm throwing up. He was kind of right. Well, if you're doing what you just did, maybe there is hope for me. Yeah, there's hope for you. Yeah. So no, I was a business major Unless you're feeling what you just did, maybe there is hope for me. Yeah, there's hope for you. Yeah, yeah.

So no, I was a business major and made my way to Texas A&M. Shane was a business major. No business doing anything like this. Like didn't grow up in a Christian home, didn't grow up in a musical home. But God saved me out of the blue. And that little youth group that I talked about earlier,

there's just 30 kids and a really amazing youth pastor who plunked four chords on a guitar and we just worship the Lord. So like, I didn't even have a, that's the first time I ever saw somebody play the guitar. Like I grew up really isolated on the West Coast, like living in the mountains. We didn't have a radio for years. Like, so music was not a part of, and so when I experienced

the Lord and experienced singing to the Lord, I kind of like brought it into my life. Like, my dad had an old prop guitar. It was like leaning up against something. And I took that prop to that youth pastor and I'm like, can you help me string this thing up? And then I learned those four chords and every week, it never was my thing, but every week from the time I met Jesus, I had to sing to him. So we would gather, just a few of us friends

would gather in high school and then in college and sing to him. So we would gather, just a few of us friends would gather, you know, in high school and then in college and sing to the Lord. And so, yes, and my roommates asked, my junior year at A&M, my roommates asked me to play this concert in a field. It was like a festival in a field and they needed a two in the afternoon slot. And so they kind of made me do it, you know? And so my guitar didn't plug in and, you know, I was terrified, I was a shy kid, but I went down the street, this guy named Shane had a guitar that plugged in. And so I borrowed his guitar and-

Did y'all know each other before? No. Well. Played this concert. It was something. And God did, I mean, a hundred miracles that I know of, I'm sure there was many more, but like, lots of things happened

just to change the course of my life, really. So like a couple months later, I dropped out of school and, you know, said yes to people who would call on our little answering machine and to play these horrible five songs that I'd written. You know? And Shane came to Christ a couple weeks later. You want to tell that story?

Yeah, I mean, he borrowed my guitar and I don't know if like the Holy Spirit was following him around and hopped on me. But a few weeks after I met him, I was a business major. I mean, I was in a bar band in college and was kinda paying for school that way. And I was in a bar in Colleen, Texas, which is about an hour and a half

from where we were going to school. And I was waiting to get paid on the end of the stage and it was very dark in this bar with the neon and they turned the fluorescent lights on in the bar just to clean it out. And when the lights came on in the bar, the Lord just used that image just in my life to say, this is you. Like, and I'm turning the lights on. I didn't hear the audible voice of God, but I felt like He was saying, son, it's time to come home. And I had grown up, I'd gone to camp every year because my grandfather was a deacon at the church.

And so he made me go to camp, but my family, we didn't really go to church, my immediate family. So I had, you know, heard the gospel a lot and been baptized every year at camp very consistently. Never stuck. But that time, it's just like it was real to me. And so that morning, I'd grown up around the Baptist faith. And so I thought you were supposed to go down front and sign a card in the morning. And so that was a Saturday night.

So Sunday, I went to a church close to my house and just waited for the pastor to be done. So I could walk down front, you know? And so like that was like the beginning of my faith journey. I ended up the next week was singing in the choir at this Baptist church. And Shane and his buddies saw me like, that's the dude I borrowed the guitar from. That's crazy. So they came down saw me like, that's the dude I borrowed the guitar from. That's crazy. So they came down and were like, you need a friend?

I was like, I need a friend. That's so cool. Cause he was like in the middle of a bunch of 70 year olds and he didn't even know the words. I didn't even know the words. He was just down there like. I was one week into faith. That's so sweet though.

I love that you didn't have, I mean, I don't love that you didn't have friends for your sake, but I love that it wasn't like you were doing it because everybody else, like you were in the midst of like seven year olds. God really was doing something in your heart that you were going to pursue that call no matter if anyone else was coming with you, which so many people wait to have a friend or a group or, and that's amazing when you have that, but man, when you come to the Lord, it's a very personal thing. You know, He calls you. And so that's just really cool that you pursued that. I wanna know too, because there's so many college students

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You know, I think the Lord is so perfect in his timing. Because I think I was really searching for, to find all of the pleasure I could find in created things, not in the creator. And so whether it was drink or the opposite sex or experiences or fun, you know, you name the list, I mean it's a thousand things, significance, companionship, all the things that I was searching for. I think I was tired enough. I was just like, I've tried it. I've tried it. I've tried it all. And if this is what it is,

it's so unsatisfying. It's just left me wanting more and more and more and more of what I was already experiencing. And I was just like, man, and the Holy Spirit, if the Holy Spirit, if you're listening and you felt the Holy Spirit wooing you, and you're listening and you felt the Holy Spirit wooing you and you're still that one foot in the world and you feel him wooing you, it's just like, man, go all in.

Because let me tell you something, it will always leave you dissatisfied, but the Holy Spirit of God can satisfy your heart. You know, and I mean, Shane talks about it all the time in Psalm 23, you know, verse one, the Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. And like, let me tell you something, we're all professional wanters. Beth Dombkowski That's true. Shane You know, it's just like, and so we're going to continue wanting and wanting and wanting, but like, it's not like you can turn that off.

You can't turn the wanting spigot off, because we have eternity in our hearts. We set eternity on our hearts, and the only thing that can fill the eternity of our heart is an eternal-sized God. And it's just like, okay, okay. And so our wanting is too small, it's too weak. It's a weak wanting. But if we can find what we're looking for, and you can only find what you're looking for, that's the truth, like on this side, on this side of faith to say, okay, okay.

I think to you, like, you know, especially in college, kind of feels like in some ways we never left college because we played at so many colleges over the years, but we're super old. So like, but I still kind of feel like that. You kind of feel like there's something about this like God's trying to rip me off. I don't want to miss out.

Or maybe later on down the road, there's a time, this is a time for this, then will be a time for that. And I would just say, He is not trying to rip you off. Like life in Him is so much better than life living for yourself. It's so counterintuitive. And you just don't know if you have tomorrow.

It's true. You just don't know if you have that future version of yourself that you can imagine one day. version of yourself that you can imagine one day. Yeah. Wow. My brother died in a snap a couple years ago, in his forties. Wow.

Just suddenly, healthy guy, five kids. And I can keep on going. I could, you know, I used to have this place I would take a walk by where I used to have this place I would take a walk by where I used to live and I would go to this graveyard and walk around and so sobering and so healthy because I'm like seeing 18 years old, 12 years old, three years old, just as many as a 70 year old, 80 year old. And I'm like, gosh, you just don't know. One, you don't know. And two, like Shane was saying, it's life, the life living for yourself

in this world and the pleasure of this world is nothing compared to the fullness of life that Christ has for you. And in our flesh, we just, there's something in us that goes, God, I'm missing out though on the good stuff. And we're just here to tell you, it's not the good stuff. Yeah. It's stuff and it's real and the feelings are real and the highs are real. But they just don't compare

to the creator of the universe and fellowship with him. And so. That's great. Yeah. I'm so glad you said that. That is so good. That is so good. I'm like, come on, that is a word for so many people.

I think that's the thing too. It's like, you know, like you just said, like there are high moments in that because it is fun and all the things, but it's not satisfying like what you talked about. Like it's not, there's no sustenance to it. It's fleeting. And yeah, you wake up the next day and you regret doing what you did,

but then if something internal, you wanna keep doing that same thing. And yeah, the more you can just, you know, continue to put that to death, the more you're gonna desire the things of the spirit over those things that, yeah, they're fleeting. They're not- That's so true.

And to your point, that's such a sobering thought. Like you don't always have the future version of yourself you imagined. The way you phrased that, I was like, man. That's so true. Because the past two weeks weeks we've been to like three funerals They've been more funerals the past three weeks and a half really I mean and and just the past couple years and Lot I mean just a couple years ago for two kids under the age of 10 you know in a car accident and then just two weeks ago 30 year 10, you know, in a car accident. And then just two weeks ago, 30 year old.

And, you know, then last week we had another funeral who was, you know, a friend of mine. We grew up same grade, her dad, and then my grandpa. And it was like, this is all different ages to the point of like, you never know, you know, you really, you hear, you're not promised tomorrow, but I think you really do need to consider that when you start to think about your tomorrow, you know,

and what it's gonna look like and how you're gonna be living in it. Because yeah, those good things, when I think about Pebble Phil's life, like he was chasing the world harder than anyone, you know? He was all of those things to satisfy his flesh. But then at 28 years old, he's like, I'm dying to self and from this point forward,

I'm giving my life to Jesus. And you know, it was a little rocky at the beginning, but by the time he was at the end of his life, I've never experienced someone passing that you knew so for sure where they were going and that they were so confident in it. It was like the greatest gift he could give to everyone around them that everyone knew.

He lived his life for Christ. And with this like eternal, with heaven in mind, like no one lived with more intention of the end than he did, you know? It's like such a cool way to go. I mean, it's just wild. And so it definitely made me think, how do I wanna live my life now?

What are the words I'm saying now that my kids are gonna go back and listen to because that gives them hope for where I'm at. That's such a gift that we got in Him. And so, yeah, giving the people around you even that gift of assurance and hope and confidence starts now. Starts with you singing your way to faith, you know? Reading your way into a relationship with God.

So tell me about, so you're pursuing business, you'll kind of meet at this church and you're like, do you need a buddy? How did y'all start singing together? You know, I was singing with another guy named Caleb and all of it was accidental or sovereign, however you wanna look at it. And we were just traveling out of my little GMC Jimmy,

called him Sweet Jim. That's so great. And selling these really bad CDs out of the back of the Jimmy. And Shane in those months where he came to Christ and he was then like just hanging out with us, like our friend group. I mean, he was just there.

Like you couldn't kick him out. He was sleeping on floors and couches. And so he just jumped in the car with us. And then within about a year, Shane and I started, Caleb kept on going to school, got married, and then Shane and I started to sing together. I knew he could sing. He had like a record he was doing. Right when he became a Christian, he started to sing about Jesus and he had these songs that he had created in a band called Tuning Circles.

It was Turning Circles. Don't look it up. That was crazy. And so I knew he could sing. I knew he had an amazing voice and so it was pretty easy. And we had a blast together. And we didn't know what we were going to sing. And so, you know, we've sang a lot of psalms,

like you said that at the beginning, we sing a lot of psalms. And we just didn't know what to sing. And so it's just kind of like, aren't these? Didn't they used to sing the psalms? I think they used to be. So I think these are songs. And so we started to plagiarize the word and we're still doing it. That's so great.

But it, you know, it's just, it's transformative. To sing the word is transformative. It's great. And more and more, we sing God's word, more and more it's like, I don't have anything else to say. I mean, what do you know? It could be better. What am I gonna bring to enlighten the world when God's Word is living and active,

especially when you sing it. There's just something, when you meditate on God's Word, which is another way of saying that. Yeah. So. Y'all, I am living for these long summer days, hanging out poolside with my girls, visiting with families and friends, backyard barbecues, all the things. I just love it.

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Get your free Element sample pack with any purchase at drinkelement.com slash woe. That's drinkelement, D-R-I-N-K-L-M-N-T dot com slash woe. It's so interesting, like one thing I love about y'all's story is the simplicity of like, Shane and Shane, what a great name, you know? But it's like, that's your names, it just works. And then like, don't they, didn't they sing the Psalms?

Let's sing the Psalms. Like it seems like it happened so organically. And I feel like in today's world, you know, organic is not always the way people go about it. You know, people put so much stress and pressure over how you're gonna get something started and all of the plans that you're gonna do. And not that there's not wisdom in that,

but I do think we can overthink ourselves to death. You think too much that you never actually get started and just let God do something with it. And typically it is this simplicity. It's what God's already put in you that you just kind of stumble upon that works. I mean, even Live Original, I remember when I was like 15

and Duck Dynasty was in its height and I got the opportunity to write a book. They're like, what do you want it to be called? And my dad had always called me the original. That was my nickname. So I was like, Live Original. You know, it's like simple. It just, it's already simple. It's already there.

Do you all give that advice to young people as you work with people? Or is that something that, is that like who y'all are? Was it intentional that it was simple? What kind of advice do you have to give to people who are out there like trying to get something going? Very, it's funny that you say that because it's very similar, what you're saying.

We do get often, like, how do we do what you do? How do I do what you do? And typically, Shane and I are both like, do it, man, do it, man. My oldest daughter is really, really good at music. Like freakishly good. And I'm like, oh. you know, cause it's like, I just love that she loves the Lord so much.

And we all know having done this for years, that the stage can steal that. And most of the time does, because the flesh loves to be stroked, loves stages, loves the lights, loves it. It's cancer, you know? It's hard, it's hard to do, be in a limelight It's hard, it's hard to do, be in a limelight

and love God more. Yep. And so we're like, well, fella, little lady, I can tell you wanna do this cause you wanna be awesome. And let's be real about it. Yeah. You wanna get your stuff out. Yeah. And you wanna be great.

And you can really tell, I think it's like, there's that person and that person we're going, it was an accident, we didn't mean to, we're business majors, maybe like don't ever do it. There's some people that are like, we've been doing like an internship at our studio for the last couple of years. That's what Max and Lily did.

Yeah, Max and Lily did, yeah. Yes, so cool. It's been so great because we have folks coming in, young people coming in, and there's a little bit of that there of like, I just wanna do music for a living. I wanna sing on a stage. And then they would leave after just six weeks

of being in God's word and community. Like, I could care less about being on a stage. Yeah, that's great. Like that, I mean, cool, whatever, yes, no, but I'm a child of God. I'm an heir of God, a co-heir with Christ. What are you gonna give me? What, can you trump that? Yep. I'm a child of God. I'm an heir of God, a co-heir with Christ. What are you gonna give me?

Can you trump that? Everything in Christ is mine, it says in Romans eight. And it doesn't even matter because when we see him, it's like the glory of God in the face of Christ is the most glorious possession that we have. So yeah, to answer your question, it is like, man, work hard. Working hard is great, but not in a way that all of you dream about, let your biggest passion be knowing and loving and enjoying the Lord Jesus. Great.

But work hard and, you know, put yourself out there. Yeah. Great. I'm giving this encouragement to my oldest right now. It's like, because she's like, I don't think I want to share. And I'm like, well, just because you're scared of your pride. Yeah. Like be scared of your pride. Yeah, that because you're scared of your pride. Yeah. Like be scared of your pride.

Yeah, that's good. And fight your pride. Yeah. But you've shared that song with 15 people and it changed their lives. Yeah. So like. I love that, like fight your pride,

don't be scared of your pride. Cause even like, it's so real and it's so honest and I feel the same way sometimes when people are like, I'm gonna do what you do. And I'm the same way sometimes when people are like, I wanna do what you do. And I'm like, oh, I don't know. You know, because one, just the way that God did this in my life is so unique to my life. And the way he's gonna do it in your life

is gonna be so unique to your life. And I think so many times people see an image on social media of what they think, oh, I want that. And they try to like copy it. And I just don't think you can just copy and paste onto your life what God has planned for you, because it's not like anybody else's. So it's going to be different.

And then also, you know, the complexities that come with it. And it's like, I don't know if you want to do that. You know, it is hard for different reasons. And you're going to have your own know if you want to do that. It is hard for different reasons and you're going to have your own journeys that are going to be hard. But even the fighting the pride, last night, because I don't know when this episode's going to air, but last night was the launch of our new show.

And I'm sitting there watching the show and seeing yourself on camera or on TV a lot, it's weird because it makes you think about yourself a lot, for me. You know, because I'm seeing myself, so I'm thinking about myself, and you're thinking what, like you're analyzing how you're doing, or what you look like, or whatever. And I just caught myself last night

thinking about myself too much. I was like, God, put it away. Like, I don't want to think about myself in this. Like, this is all for your glory, all for your name, all for your renown. And it's like, those thoughts are of the flesh. myself in this. This is all for your glory, all for your name, all for your renown. And it's like those thoughts are of the flesh. Those thoughts are going to come. That's going to happen. It's part of fighting your flesh. But just because you have those thoughts,

it doesn't mean you have to live in them. It doesn't mean you let it stay, let it creep in because I think that's when it leads to sin. You know, I think that you got to fight that pride. You got to like, I put that away. This morning, I'm reading the Word in Psalms, Psalms 90, and it was talking about the favor of God, and like, I'm so bad at quoting verses that I just read. But it was talking about the favor of God and like strengthening the work

that you're putting your hands to and stuff. And I was just like, God, help me not to forget that everything I put my hands to and working. And I was just like, God, help me not to forget that everything I put my hands to I'm working for you and not for man, you know? And just like those simple prayers of like, positioning my heart in the right place. This is so top of mind because of everything with Pebble Off Phil, but one of the most impactful stories

that Jace told during the funeral, he was talking about when Pebble Off Phil blows his duck calls and he does this whole thing. And he said he always does this one call and this is how he starts it. And it's like a really loud, kind of obnoxious call. And he says, don't ever do that.

He's like, that will win championships, but that's not what a duck sounds like. And he said, so many people, they learn to blow the duck call to win championships. And he said, I'm not making duck calls for a man. I'm making duck calls to sound like a duck. And I was thinking about that in the context of faith. It's like, I'm not doing this for man to applause,

I'm doing it to reach the heart of man, you know? And there's such a difference when you, how you approach, how you carry yourself, how you give of yourself. And that's just really hit me. So I think it's so beautiful that you're getting these young artists and writers in a room who naturally have those thoughts of, I have a gift, I want it to be heard,

I want it to be seen. And not that those are inherently bad, but it can definitely lead to pride, but just shaping them. And all you have to do is get them in the Word. And then you see, oh, there's actually nothing else the world could offer me that could come close to the gift of God

and what I already have in Christ Jesus. And so it's just so beautiful what y'all are doing. I want to ask y'all kind of two questions that I think go side by side, because y'all have worked together for 27 years, right? Something like that. Yep, around there, yep. Cause he was like, I remember your story was like 1997.

Yep. Which is your I was born. So y'all's friendship had lasted as long as I've been alive. Same age as you. That's a miracle, that's a miracle. That's what I'm saying. Like it is hard to work alongside of someone for 27 years. And also in the faith based like ministry, doing worship

and also still have like a pure heart for the Lord 27 years later. Both of those things are remarkable. So I got to ask what is the best piece of advice for working first in friendship? Like how do you work alongside a friend for 27 years and then we'll get to just keeping a pure heart? You know, I think like for us, I mean, you kind of to go along with the same theme that

you were talking about, I think the Lord has, it's a bit of provision for each other because it doesn't matter if you're doing music, if you're doing podcasting, if you're an influencer, if you're the top of your class, an engineer, a mechanic, whatever it is, it's just like as you excel and you become elevated as you work hard, you start to think a lot of yourself. It doesn't matter what profession it is. It's the disease of self. So we're all plagued with what the scripture would say is the flesh.

The flesh is strong with this one. And our flesh is very strong. We're both strong-willed, strong personality guys who do not really like to defer. But I think the Lord set it up for us to be really like that for each other, a mirror. And I think like the Lord gave us, I would call it now, as being older, like we had community in a sense where there was a mirror, like you guys are married, you're a mirror to one another.

Your close friends are a mirror to one another. And so like if any one of us started to say, dude, why is this, this green room sucks, or, you know, whatever it is. Like, it's just like, ooh, look at big time over here. So, it's just like, it was like, we would kind of just be that. But really, you know, ultimately, I think it was the Lord just allowing us to have people in our life that would like, rain, rain the flesh in, a reflection.

And so I think like that is, I think we recognize that early on that there was like, and we've, nobody's fought more than we fought. Nobody's disagreed more than we've disagreed. But like, I think there's just that trust that man, we really, even though I don't feel it, like you really do have my best interest at heart, even if it's not a great delivery.

And I think we've learned to communicate better over the years and we've found our lanes, like, okay, you're kind of helping here, I'm kind of helping here. And so you learn all those things. But I think ultimately it's just like, okay, you're kind of helping here, I'm kind of helping here. And so you learn all those things. But I think ultimately, it's just like, man, if you have a brother, if you have a sister that loves Jesus more than they love you, and they're willing to speak truth and love into your life, man, that is a treasure and a provision of the Lord. And I think just that little nugget is enough to say, oh, okay, the plumb line has been said, and that is, we are

believers in Jesus, and we're trying to be imitators of Christ. And like, man, when I'm not imitating Christ to have somebody say, that's not imitating Christ. I'm going to tell you what, that's not imitating is a provision. And I think it's just been a huge gift. And so I don't care who you are or where you are. When you find somebody like that, that is. Keep that friend close. And, you know, it's hard because when you look in, our culture teaches, you know, when it

gets tough, just go find something else. And that's like the opposite of our experience in the Lord. He never leaves us. Like, He stays. The fact that God, I woke up a Christian this morning, is, we could start talking about that. Like, that's wild. That He hasn't left me. And in marriage and in friendship, when we model that, especially in marriage, we're like covenanted together. But even in Christian community, it's so easy. Like I know, like so many folks listening right now, just maybe you know someone or

you're on your seventh church this year, or you're, you know, it just, when it gets hard, you know, maybe you did find a mirror and then you saw yourself and you're like, ew, you know, I wanna find someone who does not a mirror because it's easier. I don't wanna deal with it. I don't wanna deal with my junk. But like, like Shane said a minute ago, just stay and lean in.

I mean, lean in and stay at a church, commit to a year, commit to two years, see what happens. Mm-hmm, I love that. I love just thinking about the mirror. Mirrors have been like a big thing for me and just even my walk with the Lord because you cannot hide from a mirror. It shows you who you really are.

And it's so crazy how many people would try to literally avoid the physical mirror. You know, um, at night I like, I did all this research on mirrors and watched several videos and so many girls say like, they just tried to avoid the mirror at night so they just don't see it. And I think that's to the point of like, also people avoid friendships that have conflict, conflict, what's that say? Confrontation. Yeah.

Avoid friendships that have confrontation because they just don't want that awkwardness. They just don't want that pain. They just don't want to step into the reality of it. But like when you look into the mirror, although it's a harsh reality sometimes because you see your blemishes or you see, you know, sometimes it wakes you up a little bit.

It also is the start of you getting better. You walking towards something healthier. I mean, even in the physical, if you look at your face and you start to see, man, I got stuff all over my face. Okay, maybe I'm gonna go seek out some good skincare or maybe I'm gonna like stop eating that or drink something

different like you change, you know, it forces you to change and consider what you could do to change to just be healthier and just be better. It's the same way in friendship and in marriage, like it sometimes is hard to see it face on. It's hard to hear it face on, but it's the start of you getting better. Start to say, okay, how do I get help? And the much more beautiful thing than a mirror, a physical mirror is when you have a mirror like a husband or mirror like a friend, they walk with you to get help.

Like you're not alone. You're not, it's not just you and the situation. It's you and the person. It's a beautiful gift. We're running short. And that's the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit's. Yeah.

Oh yeah. You know, your conviction in the Holy Spirit is your mirror. That's. Oh yeah. He's holding it up and saying, yeah, this is. And that's what. This is what you're looking like. I talk about when Christian helped me so much with conviction, cause I used to,

like when I would feel convicted, the Holy Spirit, I would feel so, like much shame. Like I feel so sad and like not be able to get over it. Which is so funny. Cause my mom would say when I was a kid and she'd get me in trouble, she would like contemplate, is it even worth getting her in trouble?

Because I will cry for so long and then I'll want to talk about it for a week. And she's like, just get over it. I'm like, it's fine, I just told you to stop doing something. And I kind of carried into me being an adult. Like if I did something wrong or felt convicted, I just couldn't get over that, did it?

Or that, whatever. And Christian's like, would you start looking at conviction as a gift? Because it's a gift. Like, aren't you glad that God loves you now that he says to you, you can do better. You know, like it's grace. It's beautiful.

So it's so true. The Holy Spirit is a mirror. And it's so amazing that it's the ultimate grace and truth and love all in one. But I want to ask you all closing out because so many people also are in the stage of getting married, engaged, just got married, young couples a lot listen to this podcast. And what was it like because y'all met before y'all got married, right? Like what was that transition like of going from pursuing our pursuing and then meeting spouses and now doing it

with spouses and everything? Yeah, Shane went down first. Yeah, I got married first. Shanie. Shanie. Shanie got married to Pancake. Shanie and Shambi. Yeah, she thinks I smell like pancakes, it's weird. Ooh.

Probably because I ate a lot of pancakes. That's why she called me. You have been on many pancakes. Not recently though. I've been on many pancakes. Not recently though. I used to like to eat one pancake a day. At least. You know what? That's good.

The day is not complete without a pancake. Is that in your book? It's not in my book. It's not in my study. You do eat a Kodiak waffle every day. Yes I do. You probably eat a Kodiak. I do love pancakes. Kodiak waffle every day. Yes, I do. You probably eat a Kodiak waffle every day.

I can convince myself it's good, because you're some pretty good. Thank you, Eugene. Yeah, so when we got married, I mean, Kelly hopped on the bus with us. I mean, at the time we were traveling a couple hundred days a year, at least. And she hopped on the bus with 12 dudes,

and it was stinky, and a bunch of guys, and she was... You smelled like a bunch of pancakes. Yeah, I was the only one that didn't, this smelled like a pancake, I think. Anyway, but Kelly hopped in, and she kind of helped and filled in the gaps for us, and ended up becoming our kind of tour manager and road manager.

She managed a bunch of tours. And she really became a rock star in that space. Like even the crowd, we did a tour with Crowder and another guy named Robbie C. And she did that one. And so it was awesome. So she did that for a while. But then we started having kids.

It was like, I'm done. See you at the house. You was like, I'm done. See you at the house. You got this. You got this. And so it kind of changed things. And we really started whittling it down. And Shane got married to Beth.

And Beth was a singer too. So Beth was an artist and still is an artist. Her old artist name was Bethany Dillon. She did some tours with us. And it's so unique because all of a sudden, you're stuck in 200 square feet on a tour bus with 14 people for three months. Oh my gosh.

And you can see somebody's life. Like it's crazy. We would drive our bus. So I would have the early morning shift. So I'd get to talk with Beth for hours. And so, yeah, we met. Same thing though, once we got married, she was done.

She was like, she never really was, well, similar to us, music was never really her passion. It just was something that God had gifted her with. So she was very happy to like have babies stay home. Sweet. That's awesome. And now we have four girls and we now we do women's ministry. That's so cool. We have three girls. So it's like all girls all the time.

Well, we have two girls and we haven't announced the gender of our third baby. So, you know, we'll let everybody know later, But the girl life is fun. The girl life is really fun. The girl life, it is what it is. Women's ministry. I know that's kind of the joke because we do the women's conference and I'm like, hello sister forever.

It's funny, we have the two girls and then everyone on our team has had girls. Like it's like all girls. They're like, just carrying it on. That's where we live. I love that so much. Well, it's all girls. They're like, just carrying it on. Hey, that's where we live. That's where we live. I love that so much. Well, it's so cool.

You guys are the real deal. I mean, it's such a blessing to sit with y'all and worship with you guys and then hear just the wisdom that comes out of your mouth, the scripture that comes out of your mouth. You can tell that you've meditated on it. And thank you for blessing us with so much good advice, with so much. I just think about the listener right now.

You got loaded up today, my friend. So, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. Wonderful, thanks for having us. Absolutely. you