WHOA That's Good Podcast - Stop Chasing Signs and Start Trusting God: 4 Generations of Wisdom

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

Sadie is joined by 3 generations of wives and mothers as they answer listener questions about disciplining kids without losing your mind, moving on after being ghosted, hearing God in the gray areas, and sharing your faith when you feel shy or awkward. Mamaw Jo brings the best perspective on raising adults, Korie gets real about consistency and motherhood, and 2Mama reminds us that God is kind, patient, and faithful in every season. This one is for every listener who needs a little encouragement, a lot of wisdom, and a reminder that you’re not the only one figuring it out as you go. This Episode of WHOA That's Good is Sponsored By: https://go.goodranchers.com/WHOA — Get FREE Wagyu Burgers for Dad to enjoy when you purchase any Father’s Day Gift Box from Good Ranchers! https://www.ponchooutdoors.com/whoa — Get $10 off and free shipping on your first order when you enter your email! https://drinklmnt.com/whoa — Get a free 8-count Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular drink mix flavors with any purchase - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up everybody? Happy Woe. That's Good Wednesday. I hope you're having a great week, but per usual, it is about to get so much better. Today is such a fun episode because we are actually going to be answering voicemails today. So these are voice memos that you guys have left us. If you don't know, we have a wo line now. You can call our wo line at any time. Ask a question that you want answered on the podcast. And even if it's not directly answered on the podcast, we also take those into consideration. as we're thinking about, you know, themes and topics and what we're going to talk about. So those help us so much just know who's listening and what y'all want to hear about. But today, we pulled some special voicemails that I thought, who better to answer than four generations. We have Memo Joe back on the podcast, To Mama, My Mom. Every time we have an episode like this, it's in our top 10 of the year. And so grateful to have you ladies back. Thank you.

for having us. Always fun. It's always fun. And it's crazy to say that they're in the top 10 with us. Yeah. Wow. Y'all are, y'all are, it's pretty good. M-A-M-O-Jo, that's right. For sure. The Queen. I have to tell this story on air because we were just talking about it, but it's pretty funny. So recently, I was looking for a picture of Memo Joe on my phone, and Memo has all these iconic, older pictures of her, you know. Because how, what year were you a teenager? Like,

1944. See, I mean, just 1940s. I will say, Memo's always been a fashion icon. Always. Always. She's an icon living. We got to put some.

I wish you would have saved some of your clothes. Like, we definitely should have had some of that stuff. You have that one suit that you have. I do have a suit. Yes. Yes, she does. That is fabulous suit. What you could wear just.

day. Oh, for sure. And I have your cheerleading jacket. That is so cute that I've worn before. And I have her wedding dress that she made herself. So cool. She sewed herself her wedding dress. That's crazy. But you have some epic pictures that are very vintage. And so I was looking for one on my phone because, you know, how many pictures, 80,000 pictures of my phone. So I type in vintage. And I actually didn't get any of your pictures. I got you in fifth grade. Mom in fifth grade. with her perm. Was that a perm or was that your hair? That was a perm.

I had naturally curly hair. Somehow, mom's goodness or convinced her that if I got a perm, it would kind of like tame my natural curls. Instead, I looked like a poodle. You look like in fifth grade. You got a perm. Well, it wasn't so bad until she decided that she wanted bangs. And I kept telling her, bangs and curly hair do not go together.

Like, have you ever seen somebody with curls? curly hair and bangs. Mom, please. Lauren Daykel, curly hair and bang. She's folded off. She's not like the big, yaya.

But, so then when the bangs were cut, then it was, you know, game over. So the fact that it came up when you searched vintage my picture came up.

That is hilarious. It's great. It was so funny. Why didn't even think they searched vintage? Remember. Because it was vintage like it looked like a vintage

photo. Yeah, okay. It was like 1940s. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even think it was black and white. Was it the one? There was no such thing as color. Oh, yeah.

Okay, well. In the 40s. In my mind, there was color. Yeah, I guess, I don't know. I just was like trying to think of how I could find this photo in 80,000 photos. And I don't even know when it was taken or when, you know what I mean? And so I just like vintage. And then there's poodle mom in fifth grade.

Which led to a good post. It led to a really funny post. There's a rebut trend going on that might. Your mom had naturally big hair when everybody else teased theirs to make it big. That's true. I did. It did work for me. It did work for me in high school because the big hair was all the rage then.

I was just thinking about you telling her like, don't get veys with curly hair that never works. And you say in Lauren Daigle, that's such a classic, like you go to the hair selling. You're like, I want to like Lauren Daigle. And then you're like, oh, shoot. And mom was also like an honest mom. I don't even remind me to be like a haircut can make or break you. Like a haircut can make all the difference. I used to say haircut is instant ugly.

Yeah. You have to, like, you've got to get the right cut. Anyone can be ugly with a bad haircut. That's right. And you have to think about, like, in the 80s, we didn't have like the curling tools. Like today, people have all this information on how to make curls do. But in those days, like, if you ran a brush through curly hair, you just have like a, mound of

That's what we did. That's what we did. We didn't have that little diffuser. We didn't have any of those kind of things. Did you really, like, what do you say? Like, roll your hair with orange juice cans? Did you really do that? My ears was super straight.

Yours was super curly. So our years were super straight. So we saved those orange juice cans that mom would make orange juice in the morning and would like put those aside. Then we would roll up. And sleep in them. You're sitting around you. Wow.

Sleep in them. Like hard. How would you sleep? Oh, you just, it was worth it. You know. You just do it. But let me tell you how they dried it. Yes.

She and her sister would go out to the air conditioning unit outside. Okay. That was blowing off this hot air from cooling the inside and stand by the air conditioner. Because we didn't have, we didn't have blood tires. Oh, my God. The first blow dryer I saw was my senior trip. to Florida and Pam Prevost had a hair dryer, a blow dryer. We were like, what is that?

Yes. Whoa. So we just had those little bubble things you'd put over your curlers, but we didn't wear hair like that anymore. We wore it straight. So we set out in the air conditioner event, you know. Oh my gosh. Hey, if we were anything, we were creative.

Y'all sure were. We did. We figured it out. Okay. Also, like how times have changed in our lifetime, but Memo in your lifetime, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So how did you do your hair when you didn't have all that? Ken curls. Well, we had firms, you know, that would make your hair naturally curly. Yeah. And rollers. Yeah. So we had rollers.

We did it. We managed. Why did you use orange cans if you had rollers? Because they weren't big. Yeah. Oh, you were trying to get. For some reason, that had not been admitted. Like, that's a hard thing.

We could send someone to the moon, but nobody had a big roller on the market yet. So we just... That was all about control. Yeah. Girl. Yeah. Okay. Straightened it.

But it's funny because one mission trip I took, like, 10 or 15 years ago, 10 or 12 years ago, I took, there's no electricity. So I took bobby pins. And one night, I just put my hair in bobby pins in the next day. I just had all this curls. And the girls were like, how did you do that? There's no electricity. I said, well, it pays to be old. Because there was a time when that's how you got your hair to curl.

Yeah. You put it in a bobby pin. That's so cool. I love it. You always send me those like retro videos on Instagram. And I'm like, is this a real life? Like, she sent me one of your childhood. And we would never do that as parents.

Like the things that y'all did and survived. And it's good to be reminded that it's okay to let loose a little bit. I think, yeah, I think, yeah, I think, social media these days put so much pressure on motherhood that it is, I know that's not even what we're talking about today, but it's true. And it helps whenever on my social media, I get videos from you back in the day parenting because it's like, okay, this is good perspective. I mean, I was even telling, even since I had honey like five years ago to today, I was telling my friends who just became moms, like, it's actually changed a lot even now from five years

ago, more intense. It's because like trends come, for instance, like breastfeeding. Whenever people, it's like a trend right now. And it's like the last time you're going to breastfeed your baby. And so it's like, this is the last day or this is the last time. And then it's like, you're crying and it's like this whole thing. And then it's to the music of something really sad that makes you want to cry. And I was like, I don't even know like when I stopped breastfeeding haven. I didn't even like think about that. And that was only three years ago. But I was. But I was. I don't even know. I don't even. I didn't think about it because it wasn't a trend. And so we just like naturally transitioned off.

And it was like sweet. But it wasn't that deep, you know? Didn't feel that like heavy. Yeah. And then with Kit now I've been like thinking about it because I see everything. And I'm like, it's hard to like make that a whole moment. It makes it really like deep and sad in this whole big dramatic thing. But I don't know that it would be that if that wasn't like a trend right now.

I mean, there is that emotional pool as a mom. Yes. and a season changing. But it's like you didn't really know it was changing. And now it's like this is the last time I'm going to put it to this song and it's going to be this whole thing. And so anyways, I was just saying it's interesting in five years, how much it's even gotten more.

Because of social media. Because you just see everything today is a moment. Like everything is such a big deal. And some things need to just, you know, it's just life. Mm-hmm. You just move through it. I think that is why generations are so important. I think that is the gift of having generational, like, understanding and wisdom and hearing from y'all and seeing, like, oh, things do, you know, change and go on.

And it's not as big of a deal as what you think. And if you are just in it with, like, your generation and the people that same age as you, you can feel like everything that you're doing is the biggest thing ever. And, you know, there are, those are big moments. but also there's a lot of life still to live. And from my generation, I'm looking at this as being so much more self-centered, you know, thinking of yourself in these situations where my generation, we just did it. Yeah. Last day of nursing, yay. I don't have to do that.

Moving on. That's right. That's so funny. Well, it's true, though, that is, there is a self-centered part of it because it's like it's about me. It's about my last day of nursing. Right. Where nursing really is about your baby. It's about, you know.

What's feeding your child? It's not from your child. But that does kind of make it more about like, oh, it's about me. Yeah. That's interesting. That is interesting. It's so good to hear y'all's perspective. And it's so fun to learn from y'all because, yeah, we need that.

I think so many people are just learning from who they follow on. Instagram and who you feel on Instagram is all kind of the same person because the algorithm feeds you what you like. And so you don't get other perspectives. You're not getting other generations thought. That's why I think the church is so important, you know, because so many people I know don't have this. This is very rare. But in the church, you have that. The church is built to be that. That you have generations to look up to mentorship, grandmothers, great grandmothers, mothers. And although they might not be your family, it can be your spiritual family. And I think that's so important because, yeah, hearing y'all's perspective is so, so helpful.

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I know we have some voicemails to get to, so we will hit it, Josh. Hi, Sadie. My question is, how do you parent your kids biblically when they tell you know or strictly just not listening to you? How do you not lose your temper? I have flipped quite a few times and regret it and feel absolutely horrible. I truly admire your love for Jesus and I'm so grateful for you in your podcast. I have gained so much from listening and learning about our God. By the way, my daughter and I watch reruns at that dynasty almost every day. And if it's not every day, she will ask to watch Dynasty if we haven't.

She loves you guys, and I do too. Thank you so much. That was really sweet. That was sweet. That was sweet. Okay, I want to hear y'all's perspective on this. I know two mama's ready to go with this. What are you doing when a kid tells you no and how to not lose your temper?

Okay, for me, though, I do want to just put this out there in the world. I do lose my temper. I mean, I get frustrated. And I think that I don't know if this is right or wrong, but I'm just going to say it. I think, like, so many moms these days feel like the worst person ever when they lose their temper for some reason. But I actually don't, I mean, there's a, there's, yes, there's rage and there's anger. But I do think that, like, you do need to show your child when something is wrong. And it's good to be stern about it.

And so I don't know, because someone was telling me the other day, they were like, oh, I feel so bad because my kid did this. And then I said to her, you were never going to. And then I was like, oh, I raised my voice. And she was going to be in counseling. I was like, I think you should have done that. I think that was the right thing to do. But there's this, you know, whole thing about, like, not raising your voice, not getting to,

I don't know. Yes, you don't want to be angry. you don't want to have rage, but also like you do need to be stern. So I say that to say, I do lose my temperate times. There are times that it's more anger than I would like for it to be in more of a controlled way, but your kids do push your buttons. And so I want y'all to speak into it, but that's just me saying to every mom, it happens. It's part of being human and raising littles.

Yes, and you'll find that it may be just one of your kids who can push those buttons more than the others and then you'll feel guilty like oh i feel like i'm saying no to that one more than i'm saying no to the others but yes truly that one is is doing that and expecting that kind of response but i don't know i don't think she said how old her child was so that makes a difference in your response to the no of course when they're you know 18 months to three they're still learning that and you're you're able to just redirect them oh we don't tell mommy no mommy said go get your clothes, go put your toys in the toy box, whatever, and move on. Now, if they're yelling no and they're nine, then you have a much bigger issue than that. And that's when you're like, excuse me,

you know, you can speak to me kindly or you can go to your room to you can figure out how to talk to your mother respectfully. So you just, you, you, in that form of a loving leader, you let them know you don't speak to me that way. Yep. Or anybody that's. I, I actually have a real-time example of this. It happened yesterday. Yesterday, there's some disobedience happening. I said, get off the scooter. Didn't get off the scooter. So get out the scooter again. Didn't get off the scooter. I said, all right, you got to go to your room. You're being disobedient. Well, then it was, oh, and storming and slam the door. Then it was, oh, okay, now we're not being respectful. So then I went in and had a full conversation about being disobedient, being disrespectful. We're not going to act like that.

So you're going to be in your room. And I let them stay in their room for however old they are. So she's probably five, five minutes for three or three minutes. And so she'd be in her room. And then she came out and she said, I'm mad. So, well, are you mad at yourself for being disobedient? No. Well, are you mad because your friend had to go home because you're disabient?

No. I'm mad at you. And I was like, well, you shouldn't be mad at me. I said because I didn't change the rules. I'm always going to get you in trouble when you're disobedient, and I'm always going to get you in trouble when you're disrespectful. And so I was like, you might be frustrated at yourself for doing that, but just know, this is always going to be the standard, you know?

And just trying to, one, stay consistent. That's something you told me, Mom, like, stay consistent with what you get them in trouble for. Like, if they're disobedient, you can't, like, sometimes get them in trouble for it and sometimes not. Like, that consistency matters. And so for me, like, disobedience is a big thing. And then disrespect is a big thing. And you did both. And so it's like, you shouldn't get mad at me because I'm going to do that every time.

You know, and I feel like I don't always do it right. But yesterday that felt like right. But there was a moment where I had to literally walk away from the room because I could feel myself getting so mad about it because she was being so rude. So you do kind of have to like step away for a minute and come back so that you can say what you really are trying to say. That was a real-time example. Did she turn it around eventually?

She did. Actually, she did. Yeah, and we moved on. And then, you know, then she's like me. Then she's like so sorry. Yeah. And I, you know, hugging me and loving me. And so it was sweet.

I actually felt like that was a good one. Yeah, exactly. You handle that well. Yeah. Very well. Don't always do it like that. But since that happened yesterday, I thought I'd share. Very well.

And the key word is consistent. I say consistency is like the major word in parenting from about ages to nine or ten. And by then, they should have it down if you've done that, you know, even by eight maybe. You know, you're not, that they're not going to do things, but you've consistently not let them get away with being disrespectful, hitting their brothers and sisters, you know, things like that. And so if you can be consistent with that, you're going to have a much easier time. through those teenage years. Yeah.

I would say that obedience, because she started the question with like, how do I parent my child biblically through obedience? And obedience is a biblical. That's a biblical thing. You know, like we need to be obedient to God and his laws and the way he set up the world. And our kids need to be,

they learn that obedience through us. Like if the first way they learn obedience is obedient to a good mother, a good father, someone who loves them, and is like, I know what's best for you. And I think that is, you know, establishing that early is like, I'm your mother. I know what's best for you. So it's my job to make you obey so that you can learn what that looks like and feels like, and that's going to set them up to be better.

So know that you're doing the right thing as a mom by teaching them obedience. So don't feel bad that you're teaching your children obedience. That's a good, that's a gift that you're giving your kids. And also, yes, you lose your temper. They can push some buttons, you know, and that kind of thing and things like that happen. But also try to, one thing I think is like try to catch it early. If you let something escalate to where you're like, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. And then they don't stop.

Then, of course, you're going to lose your temper when it gets to that point. But if you can start setting those boundaries for yourself and say, like, I'm going to say it once. And if the obedience doesn't happen, then I'm going to deal with it. I'm going to get up and deal with it. then it's a lot harder in the beginning, but it will be, it will pay off in the end because you'll see yourself losing your temper less because you just don't let it escalate to get to that point. But we all have those times and we all can, you can apologize, you know, apologize to your kid

and just say, hey, I lost my temper and I'm sorry. And, you know, but also I think it can be detrimental to your child if you're, I guess, too patient. I don't know, so that's the word. But it's like if you are the parent that just allows your child to walk all over you and you're too patient in a way, they never learn what the real world looks like. And someone else is going to put them in their place if you don't. So I do think it's important to have that like, yeah, there's a limit here. And you can't treat me that way.

And let your kids see that and know that. I was thinking about the time I lost my temper on you when you were like, nine. we were all never forget this moment because I had not spanked our kids in a long time I remember I remember that I had not spanked our kids in a very long time because they were more grown you know the whole nine year old and said he's like nine years old and we're outside I remember specifically and she sassed me like said something that was like really sassy to me and I just reacted and I just swatted her on the butt and she was like then it got worse I turned around I was like she was like did you

you just spank me? And I was like, yes, I did. You got her attention. I had to get her, yes, it was just like one of those moments that like, she said something, but I was just like so shocked and it just went, walk. And she looked at me like, did that just happen? I was like, yes, it did. And you don't sask me.

It does happen sometimes. It wasn't my best moment. I probably could handle that another way. But you know, sometimes. It stuck. It did stuck. I still remember it. And I probably didn't.

didn't do that again. And you didn't go to counseling for it. No, I didn't. We were fine. Never brought that one up. We were fine. We were fine. That is hilarious. Or did you? I don't know. Did you? No. That one had no emotional trauma. I didn't really hurt that much. No, didn't. That's why I remember going, that was a little sassy. It was definitely a limited to Cheetah fedora too. Oh, you were working it, I'm sure. And then there's another moment. I remember. I've told the story before, but that y'all were just, it was just one of those days that the kids were just fighting and just annoying each other, annoying me and everything. And I remember Willie comes in and I'm like, these kids are driving me crazy. Like they were just, it was just one of those days. And I was like,

everybody's yelling, everybody's fighting all this kind of stuff. And the TV was on. And Willie just walked over and like turned the TV off, like super calmly. And everybody just got quiet. And it was like, and he was like, y'all aren't going to act. that way and it was just calm and no stress, no drama. And it was so perfect. I was like, why didn't I think of that? You know, it's just like sometimes it is just the simple things. If, you know, you think about turn the TV off, settle the room, calm things down, go outside, you know, yeah, turn the radio off if you're in the car. Yeah, just try to calm things down and remember that they are little. They are two, three, four, they're little and they're learning and

they're trying to figure things out. And it really is not on, it's, it is on you to keep control your temper because they're trying to figure it out. They're trying to learn. They're not trying to, you know, like push all your buttons. But they are, but it is on you to be the one that's self-controlled and to teach them what self-control looks like. No, that's so good.

I think that is so good. I echo everything you said. And what I'm talking about people feeling bad is what you said, like being too patient to where it's like they feel bad to discipline. And it's like, yes, feel bad if you're getting too angry or rage or like out of control. Yes, absolutely, that's something to be dealt with for sure in your own heart. But do not feel bad for disciplining and being stern and being, you know, because that is needed. And being the leader.

And being a leader. And like you said, like you're going to either they're going to learn it from you or they're going to learn it from somebody. Yeah. And yeah, you got to be a good leader. That just made me thinking, I'm all. I feel like I want to hear. from my mom on this. That's great.

Well, first of all, getting fed up and losing your temper, it's not generational. That's gone on forever. But you just have to always remember that you are rearing adults and rules turn into laws and behaviors that are not acceptable. And that's just, that's the importance of making your children follow the rules when they are. young because it's their life-setting patterns that you're establishing there. Yeah. And it takes a lot of patience, a lot of kindness, a lot of discipline.

I had the original Strong Will Child, first one that really liked to push my buttons. And I lost my temper a lot, but I was also very firm. and of course has always been a beautiful adult and you can't always do it to satisfy them you have to satisfy the situation and do what's right for that

I had a phrase in my house that you can stay but that behavior's got to go that's good and I meant it and I meant it I love the addition and I meant it That's really good. I'm pretty sure I use that too.

Yeah, I've heard that one. And I read it in strong and kind. Yeah, y'all wrote about it too. We've used that a time or two. And I see y'all doing that too. You know, I see Mary Katie with the kids too. She'll say, look, you can stay here with us or you can just go back in your room, you know. Yeah.

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Hello, ladies. My name is Faith, and I'm currently a college freshman. That's crazy. This is point of sound, I would love to hear some advice over what to do when you've been ghosted by a four-year situation. And how do you move on knowing that there's a chance that I may never get closer from the guy who decided to go-gose? Thank you so much. Wow. A four-year situation ship.

Have you ever heard of situation ship? Have you ever heard of ghosted? Never heard that phrase, but I think it all means the same thing. Yeah. Ghosted situation ship. Oh, man, Memo, it was funny. Before we started this, you literally. send us some of the voicemails and my mom said, I'm going to have to really go back in time to

try to remember. And I said, well, one encouraging thing is you can tell people you won't remember, you know, after some of these things that feel so big in the moment, you know, once you do begin to move forward in life. Because I think, I mean, I'll go first just because I feel like I'm a little bit closer to the time gap of where you're at and your life friend who sent in this voicemail. I think like those things feel so hard and you think how am I ever going to get over it, how am I ever going to not think about it? And there are some things in life that happen like with a guy or you date to somebody and you think there's never going to be a day where I don't think of this person. There's never going to be a day when I'm not thinking about this. And it's so crazy that there will be a day that you won't think about it.

I mean, I think about those things in my life that I thought I'll never get over. I'll never not think about it every day. And I haven't thought about it in 10 years because, you know, life goes on. And, you know, that relationship, that situation ship, I mean, it clearly wasn't a good thing. It was someone who didn't guard your heart, treasure your heart. It was someone who wasn't putting you, you know, first. They weren't caring about your emotional state. It wasn't even a thing you call a relationship. It was a situation ship.

And so it was certainly not worth. staying in. And so although, yeah, it's going to play on replay because it's someone you thought about every day and you probably spent a lot of like emotional toll waiting for him to text you or waiting for him to call you and you'll probably had some really good moments too. It pales in comparison to hopefully the person that you're really waiting for that, you know, is a godly relationship that's going to commit to you, that's going to pursue you, that's going to leave you with clarity and not confusion. And once you meet that person, you will not be thinking about the four-year situation. And you'll be able to move forward with that. But I do encourage you before you even

meet that person. Try to just give those thoughts to the Lord. One of the things that I think about a lot is they say if a song stuck in your head to like get through the whole song, like sing the song all the way to the end so that way it's not just on a pattern in your head. And whenever I did my brain scan with Dr. Amen, he said, your mind is on a loop. Like, it just loops and loops and loops. And seeing that was really helpful because I thought, oh, this is kind of like a song being stuck in my head. It's just going to loop until I kind of like get to the end of it. And so for me, if I find myself in a loop pattern in my mind, it's like, okay, Lord, help me get to the end of this. And sometimes the end of it is saying, okay, I might never get the closure in him,

but I want to get that closure in you, Lord. So God, right here right now, where did you meet me with peace? Fill me with everything that I need to move. forward. You know, help me to see the things that are right in front of my eyes and actually, like, take the thought captive and turn it into something new. That's very helpful. But yeah, you might never get that clarity from him and that's okay. You just have to keep moving forward. He doesn't seem like the guy that's going to give clarity. Yeah. If I could sing, I would sing that Garthbrook song. Sometimes I thank God for an answered prayers. I think about that song all the time because I think that it's such a, the lyrics that are so good. It's like, come on my mom.

One day, you don't want that for a little. One day you will look back, but if you could just have that perspective now and say like, God, I know that one day I'm going to thank you for the prayers that I didn't answer that you didn't answer in the way that I thought, you know, that I thought they should be answered because that truly, and it's about real relationship. It's like he comes back and he sees like his old girlfriend that he thought was like the one or something like that. And then he's married and happy. and he's like, oh, thank God that he didn't answer the prayers in the way that I wanted him to answer them. So I think that perspective of trusting, just trusting God that he's got this and that he's in control of this. And I think closure sometimes can be, yeah, it sounds really nice. But generally, when the relationship ends that way, it's not going to be what you thought.

Like you might go have that conversation and then you're more upset. You might be more upset. You might hear things that you wish you didn't even know, and then you've got to resolve all those things. So if you can just find that closure within yourself between you and the Lord, you're going to be better off, I think. That's great. That's right.

Exactly. It's good. Well, I think Say gave such a great answer. There really is hardly anything left to say, although Corey found some things, and then I'm going to find some things. But here's a thought because I was a super shy child growing up, super shy. I went through those middle school years, like a lot of kids with not thinking that highly of myself, that kind of thing. But I had a mom who was that loving leader that taught us

to think, to respect ourselves and think more highly of ourselves. So I think in a situation like this, too, you need to say, okay, wait, there's something better for me. And I am better. I deserve better than that. And so that person really shouldn't have any, any bearing on you. Yeah. Whatever they're going through and whatever they've done, even though, yes, it affects you because you wanted that relationship, but at the same time, think of yourself behind that.

No, there's something out there way better than whatever that situation was going on. It's really good. Be strong in who you are and who you're going to let into your life and to be a part of your life. That's really good. That is so good. More people need to find that confidence in themselves to go, I am worth so much more than a four-year situation. Right. Somebody is going to commit to a relationship with me because that's what you're worth.

So I love that. That's great. And it's good to think that it's a good thing this happened now rather than when we had children and many more people involved in the situation. So this is a good thing to think about. Yeah. That's really good. Love it. All right, next.

Hi, Sadie. My name's Gabrielle. This is kind of a heavy hitter. I was just wondering how you are sure that you have heard God. I just had an experience that I really attributed to God, and I was really kind of sure that I had seen him work in my life. And come to find out, it was not. I've been a Christian for a really long time. I am going to a great Bible-bleeding, Bible preaching hurt.

And I feel like I know it in my head, but I don't get it yet in my heart about how to really, really, really hear from him about day-to-day life stuff that's not necessarily in the Bible, even though it isn't the Bible, but it's a gray area. I would love to hear your advice on that. Thank you. Good. I feel like we're all going to have such different answers probably.

I mean, not really. Like, it's the same, but I would be interested to hear everybody's perspective on this. Initially, I just think about that Mother Teresa quote that I always say. She says, like, I've never had clarity, what I've had is faith. And it's that like I just I trust in God. I know he's good. I know his promises are true. I may not have the clarity of understanding everything about how he works or how he speaks to me or how, but I trust him.

And I want his will for my life, not mine. And so if what I thought was his will for my life didn't come, then I trust that his will is different. And I trust him in that. So I think for me, that's kind of how I try to live is, yes, listen to the Lord and have relationship with him and walk in him. But just live with trust rather than trying to always figure out the signs or the clarity or that because that can make you actually crazy. And I think I see that a lot with this generation. It's like trying to figure out all the signs or what he said or what the Lord. said or what he's trying to do or he told me this or it it leads to kind of more confusion I think

yeah so I agree I'll say this is interesting because I'm going to kind of go around this for a second but I was talking to a friend this week because she you know had a crush on this guy and this is kind of been a pattern where it's like it's like all these signs happen and it's like this happened and that happened. And then, and this is how I know. And this is, and then, and then it ends up not being a good thing, you know, and then it's, like, so devastating because all these signs were saying that, like, this is going to be her husband. And then it's like, ah, that he's just not a good person, period, you know. Whereas there's this other guy in her life who's been a friend to her for a very, very long time. And I said, you know, what about him? And she's like, oh, no, no, no, no. And I said,

well, why, you know, he has all of the qualities for, like, a good husband. You know, and it's like, well, there's this and there's that. And it's really just day-to-day stuff. And I said, oh, that would be something I get mad at Christian for. That'd be something Christian would get mad at me for. That's just life. As I really think this would be a good option. But I was thinking about that at our faith that a lot of times we see God like that exciting boy.

It's like, I want all the signs. I want all this. And it's like you start chasing the signs and you get away from the relationship. Whereas the day-to-day relationship might not be as giddy and as exciting. but like that's just life and that that's who you have like years with that's who you've walked with that's who you know who knows you who you can trust so yeah there's highs and lows there's ups and downs there's frustrations but it's just life and i think with god it's not just signs like he's your father he's your friend he's your savior like it's it's a relationship and so they're going to be

really good times and they're going to be really hard times and it doesn't mean god's not good and they're really hard times. He's faithful and his characteristics stay the same, although your life changes, you know? And I just think about, like, the past couple months we've been through and we've had, like, so many ups and downs. Like, too, all I said, your life is like feast or famine right now. It's either, like, the most exciting thing or, like, the hardest thing. But, like, God's been faithful, you know, through it all. And do I say, like, oh, God's not in it because it's bad? No, like, God's still in it, even though it's bad and he's still good. So I think, look, at it like that, like don't get too lost in the signs of things because that will make you confused.

Because I used to do that, like, kind of chase the signs and it just brings you confusion instead of just like literally just walking with him day to day. The fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, goodness, goodness, faith, and faith, my self-control. Those are the signs that God's in it. Do you feel peace? Do you feel love? Do you feel joy? And think about how the Holy Spirit, because that's what it looks like life with the Spirit. But the Holy Spirit came in such different. ways. I think about this. The Holy Spirit came as a dove and rested on Jesus. The Holy Spirit came like fire. The Holy Spirit came in a whisper to Elijah. So sometimes it's going to be like, whoa, fire from the sky. And sometimes it's going to be as gentle as a dove. And sometimes it's going to be as quiet as a

whisper. And you just got to walk with him in the highs and the lows of that and lean into the fruit of who he is. But it's just, yeah, it's just life. Does that make sense? Summer is so fun, but it also is the season where I really realize quickly how you just can't run on coffee and vibes. I have to be way more intentional about staying hydrated. That's why I love Element. It's one of those simple things that you can just grab every day, and it helps you feel so much better. It's got zero sugar. It tastes amazing and gives your body a helpful dose of electrolytes.

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If for any reason you're not satisfied, they'll take care of you. That's drink element, l-M-N-T dot com slash woe. That makes sense because I think sometimes it's none of those. One of the very amazing, cool things that we're seeing in this y'all's generation is this relationship with God. And we and our generation didn't grow up with that verbiage. Like we didn't say, I have a relationship with God. We were Christians, and we acted that out every day and how we lived our life. And we were good people, and we went to church, and we took care of the sick and the poor and all of those kind of things.

But I think in some of this newer seeking this relationship, which is awesome, and we are doing that too now. we've learned from you guys, is that worry that am I pleasing him all the time? Is this the way he wants me to go? Am I taking this step right? Is that the college I should go? Should I move here? Where does God want me? And my answer to all that is God wants you to love him and love others.

And that's pretty much it. Where you go to college, do that. The job you decide to do, do that. You know, are you a stay home mom? Do that. You know, act like God wants you to act. And don't worry so much that there's a specific thing because there's not. There's not a specific thing or way that God wants you to go.

And if you don't go that, oh, look, sorry, God's up there like, man, I really wanted her to take that path. He's not doing that. You don't want you to love him, love others. Yep. You're not going to mess it up and you're not going to miss it. You're not going to miss it. I was just telling a friend that she has a fear of flying and she was like literally to the point of like, what if I get on the wrong plane and God want to me? And I was like, God won't let you.

Like, he won't let you. Like, there have been so many times I've shown up to the airport, fully intending to go somewhere, and the flight's just canceled. And I'm like, well, get, not going. And it's like, I don't know that it's God telling me or anything. It's just like, I can't go, you know? So it's like, I just don't go. And so you just have to trust that he really is going to lead you and that he's got you and that you are not powerful enough to mess. it up and really do take it back to the simplicity of love God, love people. That's what Jesus said can sum up the entire law of all the to-does is you love God and you love people and you're going to be doing it right. Yeah. One of the things that you said to Katie, and it's Katie been on this

podcast? No, that's crazy. Katie needs me on the podcast. Anyway, one time she said that she was like asking a bunch of questions about why, why, you know, why did this happen? Why? And mom said, we don't know all the wise and it was so good for her she needed to hear that and so we say that sometimes now if like you start doing it we're like we don't we're like we don't we're not going to know them and the more we try to sometimes the more we try to like search them and know all the wise the more anxiety it can produce the more anger at god it can produce because we're like god why why why and you know we're not always meant to know all the wise um the other thing i was thinking about just like our brains, if you notice this about, like, if you decide you want to buy a white minivan,

you will see white minivans everywhere. Like, notice those things. Like, if you think, okay, I want to, like, I'm kind of thinking about, like, you know, getting some Adidas shoes, everyone will all of a sudden have on it, which they do. But you'll notice them. And that's part of just how our brain. Everyone all of a sudden is your house. But then you're like, well, not actually everyone has a bob, but you notice everyone with a bob.

And so that is part of our brains are kind of just. to notice patterns or things that we want. And so I think if you can think about that in a small thing, you can realize like, oh, I might just be doing that in a big thing as well. Like I might be looking for all the signs that I want, that I think are the signs that are leading me to the thing that I want rather than truly the thing that is what's best for me. It's really good. Well, it's so simple to me.

Because it's all the goodness in this world is from God. The bad stuff is the world. God is there to get you through it and to take you through, making it help you, making good decisions based on your love and faith in Him. And that's just what guides me, not signs that I might look for because my brain tells me to check out all those white vans and which one I look good. I look good in, that kind of thing.

That's really good. You just have to remember that he's there for you to get you through what you're facing and whatever that is in the world. It's really good. It makes me think of we're reading the Bible recap right now. It's the Bible recap. Last time I said it wrong on the podcast. They were like, you said it wrong every single time.

I said the Bible Project. It was a real recap. Which Bible Project is good. too. We're on this day. We're literally on time. I'm proud of us. And for anyone else doing it, shout out. And we're still on it. But we're going through David's life. And one of the coolest things about how they did the plan is you're reading, you know, first and second Samuel alongside of the Psalms that he was like writing when he was going through these things. And it's very helpful in this question, really, like how to go about your day to day with the Lord. Because David's prayer life was like so,

intentional and intense. And like, he was asking the Lord to just do the impossible but also just the simple. He was just asking the Lord for everything. And sometimes he was high. He was like, Lord, I'm doing

the right thing. I'm following you. And the other times were like, I'm the worst of the worst. Yeah. I can't stop sitting. I can't. How do I do this? And then God just had him and got him through it. And he was just so faithful in the life of David. And like, you just really get to see that mirrored through the prayer of life and through

his actions. And so that's a good study. If you're just kind of learning how to walk with God, go read David's Psalms and his life. And that's a really good example. I think that's why we have that. The Lord's showing us, this is how you walk with me. This is a man after my heart, you know. And so that's been really helpful.

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and it's too shy and can be really totally awkward, how could someone like me use the right words and talk about their faith and the relationship with God? I'm in claiming to grow closer with him and really want to talk to someone other than my immediate family. But I'm so intimidated by not staying the right thing. Thank you for listening, and may the Lord be with you. God bless.

Sweet. Too, Mama, this is you. That's kind of right up my alley with the shy. personality. But here's what I tell myself, there are introverted people in the acting world, introverted people who are doctors, introverted people who are tellers at a bank, and all of them learn how to operate inside their giftedness and then also outside of it. So those people who have an introverted personality like me, and they're a bank teller, they do their job, they get it all done at the end of the day, they just probably collapse and don't want to talk to

anybody. They've talked to everybody they want to talk to in a day. But if you are wanting to share your faith with people and you have that introverted personality, I think you just have to do it. I mean, one of my favorite sayings is do the thing you fear and the fear of death is certain. Wait, the death of fear is certain. I'm sorry. Do the thing you fear and the death of fear is certain. That's good. Yes. And so it is that example of the first time you jump, off a diving board and you were terrified and you're like, I can't do it. And I think about sweet honey, how she's so brave about things like that, but she'll be terrified for 30 minutes. And then she'll get there and she's like, I'm going to do it, you know. Well, when you do it one time,

then you can do it again and again again. So that's the same thing with our brains and our personality. We just have to do it one time, do it in front of two people, do it in front of a mirror, write it out, then have a little Bible study in your home, have a few people over, keep doing it. For me, I wanted to be a school teacher, so I knew I had to figure that out to be able to speak in front of people. And so I did that. I started small, worked my way up, and you can do it. It's really good. Does that sound like advice? Oh, it's great.

It's so good. And I think just knowing that everybody's scared, you know, like someone said to me the other day, oh, I'm not doing that because I get really nervous to do it. I said, I can nervous to do everything I do. Right. And then people are like, you do? And I remember thinking that when other people who I thought would never get scared told me they get nervous, I'm like, you do. But everybody's human.

And yes, personalities are different. Some people thrive more and, you know, are more extroverted or more confident in those areas. And some people are more introverted. So I'm not discrediting that. But I do think that it's good to think, how Too Mama said, everybody has to just kind of overcome that, you know? And everyone feels those insecurities and those fears, but the more you do it, the more confidence you gain. And so for me, even though I'm still scared to do some of the things that I do, it's I have enough in the bank to go like, okay, I can do it again, you know, because God always comes through. because on the other side of it, you always feel a certain way.

I was actually just thinking about, I posted a video recently of me like crying in the kitchen a couple days before I spoke. And your comment on Facebook was the sweetest thing ever. It was so sweet, my mom. But you were talking about like just how no one would ever think that. No one would even imagine like me crying in my kitchen on a Thursday. Like you wouldn't even think about that. And you're like, but thank you for sharing.

it because you're showing authenticity and like teaching people you can do it. And so I think for you as an introvert to the listener, it's like there's power in that. Like you're going to be an example to another introverted person one day who feels awkward who feels like they can never say the right thing.

Go, well, she did it and I can do it. And even how you said you only talk about it to your immediate family, that's a great place to start. Talk about it to your immediate family. Like open up with what you have where you're at and then start small. Like two mama said, do a Bible say you do this, do that, and don't try to act like you're not the introverted awkward person.

Be the introverted awkward person while you preach through the gospel, you know, because that's showing someone else they can do it. One thing I was thinking about is that, and I think it's okay to like admit and say that. But also one thing that you guys, I think, taught me was, you know, accept a compliment. If someone says like, oh, I like your outfit, just say thank you. You don't have to say like, oh, it's this and this or I actually don't look good or, you know, make excuses, accept it. And so I think, I guess that doesn't exactly have to do with this, but the way I'm thinking about it is this is like, I was just at an event where we accepted everyone, you know, there was like awards given out. And almost every single person that got up and to accept their

award said, I'm not very good at this. And they took their first 15 seconds of their time up there. To talk about how they're not good at this. And I was like, you don't need to say that. Just go. And I think you guys taught me that. Like, even though I might feel insecure, I don't have to say that every time. Like, actually, I'm not very good at this. I need to, I don't really know what I'm doing because, you know, you're speaking that over yourself when you're saying that.

Rather than speaking of yourself, like, God's got this. I can do this. I have confidence because of him in me. And I'm going to go do it. So part of it, I think, is what you speak over yourself, the more you tell yourself, I'm shot. I'm introverted. I'm awkward. I can't do this.

I don't know. The more you are going to be that way. But if you can kind of shift that in your brain and saying like, hey, God's got this, I'm going to learn how to do this or I'm going to do it scared. And then don't make apologies every single time, you know, because honestly, you're kind of making it about yourself when you make apologies. Whenever you just go in and just be like, hey, I'm going to try something. And like I said, it's not about not being authentic or not being.

vulnerable. It is, but there is something to, the word you speak of yourself over and over and over again. And I think you guys kind of taught me that and saying like, be confident. Even if you don't feel it, you know, just accept it and move on. That makes sense. I love that. Everything Corey said so much because I do think we have a problem with this next generation with this Instagram, all the social media, because of wanting to be authentic.

So in their effort to be authentic, they are confessing everything every day. And different from you, say, doing that's just a one-time thing, just being truly authentic about it. And so I think Corey just really hit on something there. It's not about, be careful that you're not apologizing about who God made you to be. Because God made you to be this way. And now when I do something, even like the podcast now, now I've learned how. to do this, but in my younger years, and I did something outside of how I thought God made me, that's what I really knew God was working in me to create something better and different in me.

Not that he's saying, oh, I'm going to make her better, but God's always on this level of, and I was like this with my kids, and I probably said it to them. I love you exactly like you are, but I want you to grow and develop and be all that you can be. And God is like that with us. He's made us. He made me an introvert. He made me shy. But he loves, I think, now that I'm able to lead a camp and do a podcast and do things I do.

So he's up there in heaven saying, go. And he's cheering all of us on. So if you've got that personality, God's up there cheering you on. You can do this. You don't have to apologize for who you are. This is who you are. Go out there and just tell the world what you want to tell them in your personality. It's great.

It's so good. And that's true throughout all of scripture. Moses was like, I have a speech impediment. I can't do this. And God's like, but look at the bigger picture. You were raised in the house of Pharaoh. You know, this is not what God said. This is what, if you read it, it's like, this is so much bigger than your speech impediment, you know.

And then you think about Peter and he's like, I'm just a fisherman, but I'm going to make you a fisher of man. And then it's like Paul, saw it and Paul. And all these people, like they all were just human. And then it's Esther. I just don't know if I can do that. And God said, hey, you know, for such a time as this. All of it. You're the one who's going to do it.

And I was telling someone that the other day because they felt called to something bigger than who they were, which we all do. And it just was intimidating them. And I said, here's the thing. I'm like, every single person in the Bible, like, probably felt how you felt. and they became a story in the Bible because they did it anyways and they trusted the Lord in it. And I was like, but also it's good to know, you don't have to do that. Like I was like, you can say no to that and God still loves you and he's still for you. But you get to say yes to it. Like he's inviting you into it. So I think that goes back to the light.

Don't overthink it. Like God's still with you. He's so patient with us. He's so kind. He gets our humanity. But he invites us into things. things bigger, you know, and he's always going to give you the strength whenever you step into those things. Like when you are weak, then you are strong. That's really actually true. And it's an

amazing thing to get to experience that. It's hard to experience it because you genuinely feel super weak. But then it's really cool when you actually do feel super strong within your weakness. And no, I totally agree on the Instagram note and the authenticity. It's hard. I mean, even we just had this vulnerable podcast recently. And everybody's, you know, saying, well, you know, you were very vague on this and you should have said that and then this am like that's not everybody's to know you know like all of us like there's a there's an aspect to authenticity and vulnerability that's powerful but then there's also a point where it goes that's just too much you know and I think it's just discerning those things that's important but this has been fantastic y'all I love it we're going to have to

do this way more often what if you all take up all the top 10 um podcast of the year but seriously thank you for coming back on the podcast and answering so many voicemails. And well, I think we have a lot more to get to. So we'll have to do a part too. But thank y'all. Thank you for happiness. Absolutely.