WHOA That's Good Podcast - The Call of God

Episode Date: December 9, 2020

Christine Caine joins Sadie with wisdom and encouragement so quotable you'll want to rewind to listen again. They dive into the "call of God" and what it truly means to pick up your cross and be an influencer for Jesus. Sadie and Christine also tackle how to live a life that's not driven by likes and shares, why there's something more important than authenticity, how we can live out the truth that "not all information is wisdom," and why younger generations are poised to become the most powerful voice for Christ. Christine Caine is an Australian-born, Greek-blooded lover of Jesus, activist, author and international speaker. She and her husband, Nick, founded global anti-human trafficking organization The A21 Campaign. She is the author of several books, including her most recent updated and expanded release, "Undaunted: Daring to Do What God Calls You to Do."   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Y'all, I am so excited about today, mainly because I kind of already had a pre-conversation that led me to be like, we have to do this on the podcast because it was just so good. Her advice always blows me away, and today everybody's gonna be so encouraged because we have Christine Kane on the podcast. Welcome Christine. Hey Sadie, it's my honor to be with you. I'm so fired up. We are so fired up. I can't wait. So, you know, I'll start this off the way to start off every pie cast with the question, what is the best piece of advice that you've ever been given?

Okay. Well, a long time ago when I was just starting in ministry, someone said to me, Christine, make the decision right at the beginning that you can never be offended. And you will never take offense, because if you can be offended, you will be and inevitably in your life, people will hurt you, people will betray you, people in some way will do something where you will have the opportunity to take offense. If you take offense, it will lead to bitterness.

When bitterness takes root in your heart, it will take you out and you will always sabotage your ministry more likely from the inside out than the outside in. So just make a decision, you can't be offended. Wow, come on. Let's just start this off with some fire. Whoa, that's good. Thank you. That is so good. I need that. I need to hear that right now just starting off in

ministry not to be offended because even if you're not in ministry, that's really good advice. I read this post recently and it was all about like the gift and the art of not being offended and being unoffendable and it challenged all about like the gift and the art of not being offended and being unaffendable. And it challenged me so much. So that's so good. I love getting it started like that. Like I kind of mentioned before you came on that, this conversation we're about to have kind of a spark by a conversation we've already had. One day I just called her because honestly I was kind of wrestling with some questions that I had about the Bible,

about the call of God and people have asked me for a long time like what does it mean to be call bad God, what does the call of God mean on your life and honestly I've always had a hard time answering that. So one day a text of Christina was like hey can I call you, ask you some questions and it was so enlightening and hopeful for me and I wanted everybody to get to hear this primarily because I know that all of our audience, a lot of you are young, a lot of you have asked me these questions. So I'm going to take it to somebody who I asked the questions to So Christine, can you help explain to people like what does it mean to be called by God and then follow that with is everyone called by God or what does that kind of look like?

And then follow that with, is everyone called by God? Or what does that kind of look like? Sadie, firstly, I just want to commend you because I just love your heart and willingness to learn. I remember when you texted me and then that turned into like a one hour plus conversation. And we just like, and I love your willingness to learn and then to share it with your community

because you know, I am more than double your age. So that kind of locates where I'm at. And calling is something I don't think we talk almost enough about in your generation. And it's very important because at the end of the day, Jesus ultimately calls every one of us to Himself. That's the beginning. And that's the ultimate calling is to Christ Himself.

And throughout scripture, we see different examples. And of course, one of the most prominent examples is when Jesus is walking along the shoreline of Capernaum in the Gospels and he says to who were to become his disciples. He simply says, follow me, you know, he says to Peter, he says to John, he says, follow me. And the Bible says immediately they drop their nets and followed him. And that has always captured me even when I was your age and first sense that call of God, because it was like they didn't say number one, who are you? Where should we follow you to?

How long should we follow you for? What salary package are you offering us? Is it gonna be easy? And what are the perks associated with following you? There was none of that. There was something obviously so magnetic, there was something so compelling, there was something so amazing about this man Jesus, that there was no questions asked. They just dropped what they were doing, they dropped where they were going, they dropped their own dream of being fishermen, they dropped their own purpose of starting a fishing business and simply followed him. Not knowing where that

was going to take them and ultimately it took them to their death. That's what it costs to follow Jesus. Wow. Wow. That's so good. I think you're right that we don't talk about enough. I think sometimes when we talk about it, it seems to be talked about of like, what our specific call is, and it has to do with what we're doing, or our job, or our title, or where we're gonna go. But I love how you're saying it wasn't about that at all. They didn't know what they were gonna get paid.

They didn't, in fact, they weren't gonna get paid anything. They didn't know how long it was gonna be, what it was gonna look like, how it was gonna benefit them. what it was going to look like, how it was going to benefit them. It was all about following him. And so whenever you were talking to me that day, I was like, man, that brings so much clarity because I think sometimes we make that about us

instead of making the call about him. And so I love that you simplify it to a call. The call of God is called to Christ Himself. You know, you obviously are doing so many things now. You run so many different things, and I wanna get into all that. But did you always feel called specifically to the things that you're doing now?

Or are you shocked by them? Not yet, I'm shocked. I love that question because here is the deal. I don't know how in your 20s or your 30s you can say with absolute confidence this very thing, this one thing, this specific thing is what God has called me to do because here is the deal. One of the things that I perhaps would be known for is my work with A21 you know where we are fighting to abolish slavery everywhere we help to to rescue the victims of human trafficking. And I have 22 officers in 18 countries. So we are finding this thing on a global level. But I'm 54 years old, Sadie. And I did not even know that human trafficking existed until I was 40. So at 20, I couldn't have said to you, I am called to fight slavery.

I didn't even know it existed. So the thing is, as I knew I was called to Jesus, there is no doubt that I felt this tug in my heart to just drop everything and follow Him. But I had no idea what that meant. I didn't know that that would meant I would be a communicator or I would be a preacher. I didn't know that it meant I would write books. I didn't know that it meant I would lead a global anti-trafficking organization or a women's movement. I never

knew any of those specific things. I just knew I was called to him. And so I just started right where I was in my local youth group in Sydney, Australia. And what I started doing was serving by driving 14-age girls to youth group because I had a license and they didn't. And so that was the beginning of my calling. Did God come into my bedroom and say, I want you to drive young girls to youth group? And then just, no, I never had that.

But it was just a practical thing because I felt that I wanted my life to count for the kingdom of God. That's all I knew, that's all I knew. That's so good. Yeah I think that's really cool because I think at times like what happens is we can kind of get into this complacency mindset because we're like we say yes to Jesus, we have this moment at a conference, we have this moment of church, and then we like wait until we hear the voice of the God say, go and do this. That's almost like what we expect to happen. And the meantime, we're letting so much time go by and we're not really doing anything for his kingdom because we're waiting on

the big thing to happen and always when I encourage you Like don't wait for like a stage to just magically appear and for you to talk to me like go and fight like three people to your house and start Preaching start sharing the gospel and so I love what you're saying You're like I didn't hear God say go and drive these girls to you You just did it because that was a part of following him I love it I love it I love it I love it You know that fresh produce is the best produce that's why at Kruger we invest in local farmers to bring you seasonal picks that taste fresh from the farm good like sweet corn refreshing watermelon and juicy peaches so whether you're a delivery lover, a picker upper, or you shop in

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Yeah, I think that's a great question. One of the challenges when it comes to calling in the 21st century, and I think I might have said this to you in our conversation, I am so grateful that I was saved before there was an internet and before there was social media. And so that really impacted my calling because I could not go online and start scrolling through everybody else's calling and compare myself with them and go, I want to do what they're doing.

Or I think I'm more gifted than them in this thing. Therefore that's what God must be calling me to. I had to get in my prayer closet with my Bible and the Holy Spirit and begin to serve in my local church. And out of that, it was revealed to me like over time, just by serving as God's strength in my muscle in one area, he opened a door to another one. So rather than me trying to build a platform, I waited for God to open doors. Building a platform is very dangerous because if you build your platform, you have to keep your platform. If God builds it for you, God puts you on it and God keeps you on it. And then you're not trying to protect what God already gave you. And so in the midst of all of that, I think that the critical thing is that we have to be very careful

of not trying to tell God what we think we should be doing, because God is the one that knows what we should be doing. And here is the deal. God is able to do exceedingly, abundantly above and beyond anything we could ever ask, hope or think. So if you and I try to limit God to what I can do in my natural talent or what I can do in my natural gift or what I think is a good idea, I am limiting God because in

Isaiah 55 it says that God's thoughts are higher than my thoughts. God's ways are higher than my ways. Corinthians says that my eye has not seen. My ear has not heard. No, has it entered into my heart? What God has for me. So I want to know, how do we ever think that we could actually really know the breadth of what God could do through our lives? Because God is able to do exceedingly abundantly above and beyond. So give me the quote again and let me directly answer the quote that you said from out of our conversation. Great. That's so good. First of all, I just, I love what you just

said. And I attest to that because I was just talking to Christian yesterday. I was like, had, I know, had somebody told me five years ago what I would be doing. I think it would have scared me so bad. I don't even know how I would have like ran into it, but I'm so glad that I just kept trusting God and listening to God because now my confident trust that has been built in him, I know he's gonna come through for me in those moments. I don't feel like I'm capable of a moment. And so I love what you said so good.

The quote was, you said, not all information is wisdom. Yeah, because here is the deal. The scripture says to us that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom. So if there is not a bottom line fear of the Lord, of course, when I say that, you know, I'm not saying, like I'm scared of God, he's going to be mean to me. God is gracious, God is loving, God is kind, God is for us, His plans for us are good

for good and not for evil, their plans to prosper us and not to harm us. So I'm not talking about that kind of evil for boatings or that God is mean. But I am saying that there's a healthy, reverential fear that God is God and I am not. Now, a lot of the information that we're getting and that's why I'm circling back to the internet, I said I was glad I got saved before there was internet. Most of our information now comes just from the internet or from our friends or from the media. But just because something is information

or somebody's opinion does not make it wisdom, there is a huge difference between wisdom that is rooted and grounded in the fear of the Lord and the Word of God. Verse, somebody's experience or somebody's opinion or somebody's thought. And so my bottom line is if someone is saying something to me that is not rooted and grounded in a healthy, reverential fear of when I say that, I mean, understanding God is God, I am not. That my thoughts, my opinions, my plans for the future don't come out of me just wanting to live my best life now or me just wanting to do what I'm good

at. But come out of this fear of God in a healthy way, that I am seeking the face of God, I'm seeking the purpose of God, I'm seeking the will of God, I'm seeking the Word of God. It's out of that comes wisdom because otherwise what seems to be a good idea today is a really dumb idea tomorrow. It really could reap a lot of negative reports. And he's the one good thing about living long, you know, I mean, my mid 50s, half of you guys listening to this podcast right now, you can't even imagine that someone could live that long. But yes, we do. All you have to do is just not die. And you'll still be here when you're

50. So the good thing about following Jesus for more than 30 years, I've been following Jesus longer than you've been alive. It means that I've seen lots of cycles of things that are trendy today, things that are cool today, you know, whether it's a fashion or a pinging or the latest cause that's out there. If your life is driven by the need for approval of people, if your life is driven by the need for likes or shares, then you will quickly go down a downward spiral into a pit of depression and a pit of anxiety

because there will never be enough to please people. Real wisdom is going, I am seeking to please God not man. I am looking for the approval of God not man. I am looking for the approval of God not man. I'm not looking for the next trendy sound bite that's gonna get me a lot of clicks and a lot of shares. I'm looking for something that will have eternal rewards that will transform people's lives. And just like I've got, you're having a baby,

I've got two daughters now that are almost 19 and 15. Now listen, just because my daughters say to me and give me a whole lot of information every day about how much they love ice cream and they would love ice cream for breakfast, lunch and dinner and they would love chocolate sauce on their ice cream. I'm not going to give them that because that's not wise and that diet is going to end up destroying them. It's going to destroy their body, their focus. It's going to shorten their lifespan. That's not wisdom. Wisdom is, you know what? Sometimes I'm going to have to give you broccoli even when you hate it. I'm going to have to give you Brussels sprouts even when

you don't like it. And wisdom from the Word of God says, I'm going to give you a full diet and guess what? Sometimes you're not going to like what you hear. Sometimes you're not going to like what you have to obey. But if you do it, it's going to prosper your life and it's going to bless your life. If you don't do it and just take your latest information from what someone down the road or what some celebrity that does not follow God, if you just take your advice from there, your life will unravel instead of prosper. Wow, come on, that's so good. I wish I was listening to this podcast, I grew wind and listened to that again. So if you are listening,

I hope that you're really taking everything that she's saying. And I hope you understand too, you don't have to have a crazy amount of influence as far as being influencer, per se, on Instagram to do the things that you like wherever you are in your life. If you know one person like this is for you like she's talking to you. So I don't want you to just miss this and say well that isn't a pie for me.

This applies for every single one of you. Chris and you actually I heard you talk about this the other day at the Q conference. We're talking about we're not even called to be influencers. Whatever that is. What would you say to a generation who is seeking for this social media influencer title, this, like you said, building that platform out kind of thing. What would you say to them about just kind of getting your head

on straight for what your purpose, what your call actually is with the influence that you have? Yeah, I'm so glad that you said that because how sad would life be if our significance and security came from a blue checkmark on an account? How sad is that? See, our significance, our security, our identity is rooted in the fact that the king of the universe sacrificed his life for us on a cross, so that we could be saved and we could have eternal life. No blue checkmark is going to give you eternal life. Now blue checkmark is going to give you significance or security or any sense of ultimate salvation.

Only Jesus can do that. And nowhere in the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation does it ever say, your highest calling is to be an influencer. Now Jesus said, if you are found in me, you already are an influencer. The scripture says that we are called to be witnesses. Jesus said in the book of John, for this cause, the son of man came to the earth, that my life, he says, would bear witness to the truth. And then he calls every one of us. So he has said to every Christ follower, every apprentice of Jesus, whether you have a blue check mark or not, he says that we are called to go into all the world

and make disciples. Every follower of Jesus Christ is called to do that. And it's time in the body of Christ that we understand that is our calling, that we are to make Jesus's last commandment our first priority. We have done is sold out for something that makes us think. We think if it is known by man,

if it is celebrated by man, if it is applauded by man, if it is recognized by man, if it has a blue check mark next to it, it must be important. We have confused the accolades of man with the approval of God. And yet God throughout Scripture has always looked for people that are willing to honor him to obey him in anonymity and in obscurity. Of course, there's the famous story where David, a 13 year old boy,

was in the back of the field, looking after his father's sheep. There was no Instagram, there was no TikTok, there was no anything. And he was doing the father's business. He was looking after the sheep. He was playing his harp, he was killing bears, he was killing lions, protecting the sheep.

He was doing everything in anonymity and obscurity. And then when the prophet Samuel came, and the Lord said to him, I have finished with Saul, I have anointed a new king. What we would be doing in our age of influences, we would have a whole younger generation, putting their profiles on Instagram and putting their filters and cropping it

and putting all the right images on it, and going, pick me, pick me. I should be the king. I'm the best at this. I'm the greatest and we think I've got to build my brand. I've got to build my platform. And yet, when the prophet went to Jesse's house to select the king, Jesse, the father of the house, brought his seven sons that were the high profiles, man, they were the influences. They all had the blue checkmark, they looked the best, they had the most amount of followers, they look like they were awesome. And yet the Lord said to Samuel, I have not chose one by one, he went through. These are all the blue checkmark people. I have not chosen him, I have not

chosen him, I have not chosen him. It doesn't matter if you've got 16 checkmarks in front of you. If God has not chosen you and God has not anointed you, God will not appoint you. And then the prophet had to say to Jesse the father of the house, he said to him, well, is there anybody else because it's not any of these influences. And the father of the house said, oh, I've got this kid, that number eight, I didn't even remember him. He's out in the field. He doesn't have a check mark. He doesn't even have an Instagram account. He's like a loser.

He's looking after the sheet. And then Samuel goes go and get him. And as soon as he was brought in the Lord said to the prophet, that's the one that I've chosen. You can read this in first Samuel 16. And so here is the deal that it doesn't matter how big you build your brand or your platform. If the Lord has anoint to you and the Lord has appointed you, the Lord will find you. So the prophet can get it wrong. You might go, well, my pastor doesn't even recognize it. No one around me recognizes the gift of God on me.

Just be faithful where you are because when God's ready for you, God will find you. If God has assigned you, God will find you. God did not promote me because of a platform. I had a ministry for 20 years before there was social media. So it was never been a people go, well, you got all these followers, Christine,

or that is just an outworking of what the Lord is doing. That's just stewating what the Lord's already done through my life. That's not me building it so that the Lord can do something. I was doing something before there was ever any of that. And then the Lord came and found me in anonymity and obscurity in the back of Sydney, Australia, where I was faithful with 20 kids in youth groups, in country towns, when nobody knew my name, nobody knew anything, but I loved the Lord. And can I tell you, Sadie, I was as passionate

then that I am today. I was as cold then as I was today. I prayed like there was, I mean, I thought I had arrived because I never knew that you could go anywhere else because I thought, once God puts His hand on you, once God uses you and that could be in the marketplace, that could be if you're a corporate CEO, that could be if you're working in a supermarket, that could be if you've got your own business, that

could be your school teacher. It doesn't matter what your profession is. If you wake up every day and you know that as a son or a daughter of the king, you have been called by God Almighty to make disciples that changes your whole day. You don't need anyone to validate you with a blue check. You've been validated by the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Oh, my, let's go.

I was just so glad we're having this conversation. Now you all know why I texted her and said I need some advice because you're filled with wisdom, you're filled with the spirit You're so knowledgeable of the word and that is wisdom right there. So thank you for that That's gonna help so many people. I'm like laughing. I'm so excited One of the other things that you said and I kind of just want you to help challenge I guess this generation you said that a lot of times we put so much value on authenticity and not as much value as we need

to on integrity. And I know the Bible talks about how the godly walk with integrity. And so what does that look like to walk with integrity? Integrity and integrated person. It means that you're the same person that people see publicly in whatever your sphere of influence. So whether that's your online presence, but also in your school, in your university, with your friends in the workplace, and who you are internally. Because here is the danger, say,

if there is a disparity between your inner world and your outer world, your world will collapse. Now, of course, when I'm talking about integrity, I'm not saying that we're perfect. We all make mistakes, we all mess up, we all have different areas of our life that we're working on, that we're still being conformed and transformed to the image of God. So that does not mean that we never fail or we never make mistakes and that we have to make things right. I'm talking about we so value, we somehow think, man, if I'm just authentic online, which means I put just all my dirty laundry out there and you just suck it up, man, you just like, this is just who I am.

And I'm like, if you are not godly, why would you be celebrating that? Like, you know, it's just like accept me who I am, man. If I'm just like angry or I'm just promiscuous or I'm just a gossiper or I'm just a slanderer or I'm just jealous, but just deal with it, man. That's just who I am. I'm like, how about you change to become like Jesus? What? Why should I have to deal with it?

That's so good. There are some things that we should navigate in private with trusted mentors. And there is something about this generation that just thinks, man, I've just got to put it all out there. And here is the truth. You don't need to put it all out there. The scripture says in the book of Revelation that we will be saved by the blood of the lamb, the word of our testimony and that we love not our lives unto death.

The deal is don't confuse a story with a testimony. We all have stories, but sometimes it takes a long time for a story to become a testimony. And the testimony is where there is victory in an area where you can actually speak into something now. You can use your story, but you've got a testimony from it. And so you come from a place of victory, not a place of arrogance, but a place of victory. And so, you know, you know, I come from a background of abuse and adoption and abandonment. And so, you know, there was a long time, though, that I was so full of shame and guilt and anger and bitterness and unforgiveness. And man, I could have gone online and shared my story and just vented all my pain, all my wounds. But if I was just venting out of my wounds, wounded people, wounded people. I would have just wounded

a whole lot more people. And so what I had to do was allow the Holy Spirit and through wise counsel and if necessary therapy and the Word of God to bring healing and wholeness in my life. So now what was a very dark season of my story has become a testimony that has brought hope and healing and health to others. My recommendation would always be that you take time to turn a story into a testimony because if you begin to bleed too soon over people, then you are just going to hemorrhage and you're going to have no life left and you're going to have damaged a whole lot of people. And so we don't got a not place such high value on just authenticity.

I'm not talking about living a double life, but I am simply saying there needs to be wisdom about how much of your life you share and where and how you do it. And one day, if you want to be married or if you want to be in relationship, you want to have children, there are many things that you're going to wish you never put online in your early 20s or in your teenage years. And so I think some of that is where we just have to exercise wisdom. And I think we need to honor people that have integrity, not just authenticity. So just putting my sinful life out there

and saying, man, I'm cool, I'm just being authentic. That is nothing to be celebrated. And integrity's life is an honest life. It says, maybe this is an area I've struggled in. This could be an area I'm still struggling. But you are not exalting sin as a lifestyle and going, this is cool because I'm just living my life and that's how it is. What you are doing an integrus life says, God has this holy standard according to His Word. And you know, I'm not there

yet. I would never say I'm there. I've got so far to go. But I'm on my way. And this is the wisdom that I want. So I'm going to be integrus with you all and share some of my challenges. But I'm on my way. And this is the wisdom that I want. So I'm gonna be in tegris with you all and share some of my challenges. But I'm not gonna share everything because say there's a difference between privacy and secrecy. And there you go. So I've got no big secrets in my life,

but I do have a lot of private things in my life that I don't think need to be out there for everyone. And I think we need to discern secrets will kill you. And you're only as healthy as you deeper secrets You've got to be careful about keeping secrets. You need to go to wise people that can help you I'm not talking about shoving things down and denying it. I'm never one that's into denial or dismissing I'm like what you don't reveal God cannot heal

But I'm saying that the best place to reveal it is not firstly on social media. The best place to reveal it is to a trusted wise counsel. Somebody that can actually help you because just putting it all out there for everybody, not everybody loves you, not everybody cares about you, not everybody is for you and not everybody is full of God's wisdom. And so if you want true health and healing and wholeness, it's only in the places of anonymity in the dark room with Jesus where it's you, the Word, the Holy Spirit and trusted Christian Council that over a period of time can bring healing and wholeness and health and vitality into your spiritual life so that you can move forward.

Oh my, that's so good. That was so helpful. Honestly, to me, I feel like that was so helpful because I think sometimes it's hard like with social media. I know like obviously gets a bad rep. There's a lot of bad things about it and we don't always use it right. We don't always use it great. But it is like the first thing that like we've had as like a younger generation

that the older generation hasn't gone before us and done. So it's like you don't get a lot of wisdom from the older generation like you do in other areas of life because they don't quite understand it, you know? So it's really helpful and thank you for taking the time to actually understand it. You recognize what's going on. You also are a huge on social media. If you don't follow Christine, you got to go follow her because she posts so many encouraging things. You'll get this every day on her Instagram, which I love because again, that's your authentic, but you get so much integrity. You're the same

person on this as you are on there. You're preaching the gospel through and through. But again, you just don't get that much wisdom from the older generation in this. And I think sometimes maybe that's why we're running around like chickens with their heads going off on social media, not really knowing how to use this as a tool or how to use this for the good. And so that's so helpful. That was such a good guideline. That was so much wisdom into that. Sadie, I'm so glad you made that point about your the first generation that has to navigate this. This is why I love you all so much because I'm like, oh man, you guys are legends. Can I say though that you are the first generation in the history of planet earth that actually have at your disposal the tool that could lead to the evangelization of planet earth before the second coming of Christ. This generation because of the internet and because of

social media, we actually for the first time in human history have the tools in our hand where we could get the job done, evangelizing the earth before the second coming of Christ. And that's why I think the enemy wants to hijack it so much. And that's why it's so great that you're having wisdom to go, hey, I've got a whole lot of followers in that generation and you love your followers so much that you're like, man, we could use this for so much good. That's why I'm always such a fan of social media and I'm so engaged because I know it can be used for good. I just know the enemy wants to use it for bad as well. So you guys actually could usher in the sick and coming of Christ. Believe it or not, you are the generation who can do that.

So that fires me up big time. And I think, again, what I also love about your generation is I love that for you guys, you don't separate the gospel from justice to you. It's not like two separate things. Like going to church on Sunday for you has to impact What happens in the world on Monday? Otherwise, it's irrelevant and I love that. You know gone of the days where you just go to church Listen to some sermon you don't even understand and the world is dying every other day So I love that so much about Millennials and Gen Z

It's just like you you actually really care about the whole world and you care about the poor and the marginalized and of course victims that are in trafficking because it is an abomination that the fastest growing crime worldwide is buy and sell human beings for sex or because you want a cheap t-shirt or a cheap cup of coffee Are you kidding me? And so the fact is we can actually get something done. I want to talk about a 21 because I think what you're doing is absolutely incredible Again, if you don't follow her go follow her because you post so many stories I actually watched the 10-minute story today that you just posted about one of the girls who was rescued him. It's just so powerful the things that you're doing. And so how can we, as my following is whether it's good, friends, how can we help support a 21 and what you're doing?

When I started a 21, it was with this intention. It wasn't like so we could create any one hero. It's so that all of us together could actually make a difference. And you know, say it on our website, a21.org, it's so simple. There are 21 different ways that today, today you could do something in your world,

wherever people are listening to this all over the world, whatever age they are, whatever season of life they are, there is 21 things and you could just scroll down and go, you know what, I could do that one thing today. It'll take me 30 seconds and it could actually help to rescue a human being out of sex trafficking. That's amazing. All right, everybody's seriously right now, go to a21.org and do one of the 21, if only one. Somebody might do all 21, do it all.

Go help out in whatever way you can. Christine, that's so encouraging. Thank you for just empowering us. A lot of people have speak down in this generation. Like, we are just the worst, and this social media has ruined us. And so thank you for actually empowering us and speaking to the good of what we can do.

Yes, acknowledging the evil that the enemy can use in the midst of it, but also acknowledging how God can use it for good and even for something so huge as the second coming. That's just amazing to even they, well, it gets me so excited and it just makes me want to take it so much more seriously. And so thank you for your wisdom and sharing that. Lastly, just one dimension. I know we have passion 2021 coming up.

What? We haven't even talked about what I'm so excited that we're both going to be a part of passion. Everybody, if you haven't gotten your ticket to passion, Christine and I will both be there along with several people, but we are just there to share the good news. The good news is the gospel of Jesus Christ. We're going to end this year declaring life. And so we're so excited. Christina can't wait to join

you with that. And thank you so much again for just sharing your wisdom to this generation and empowering us. I can't wait to see the outcome and the effect that this conversation has on people's life. And I know it's already affected mine in the huge way. So thank you so much. Well, you know, I love you. And we started the year together at passion 2020. And we're going to end it together. That's right. At passion 2021 and the banner over this year is going to be Jesus because he is good news.

That's right. It's full of great joy for all people. And I'm so grateful that, you know, I just want to reiterate, are talking about calling because it is crucial. In a world that is all talking about, man, you just live your best life now, you just do you boo, you know, you know me, I just think that's the worst advice we could ever give anyone. It's so dangerous. I'm like, no, we have to remind a generation that if we are going to truly get the job done of why we are here on this earth as the church of Jesus Christ,

which is to lead people to Jesus, then we have to learn a fresh what it is to take up our cross, to die daily and to follow Jesus. And we have to understand our calling is not just about my comfort. It's not just about my convenience, it's going to be costly. We've got brothers and sisters all over the world, your age that are laying down their lives daily for the cause of the gospel, that are being martyred for their faith. And so what we need is a generation that rises up and says, Jesus, whatever.

I'm dropping my nets, I'm gonna die to myself, I'm gonna take up my cross, and I'm gonna follow you and do whatever You have called me to do if we get that generation We are gonna have a revival generation you are also technologically advanced You us all so brilliant with social media and the internet if in your hearts from the inside out you go Jesus I'm all in. I honestly believe 2021-2223 we will see the greatest revival in the history of the world. It just needs a generation that says God's called me to him. I'm 100% following him and whatever he wants to do

with my life he can do it but I've decided to follow Jesus and I'm not turning back. I'm all in. Oh, I'm so good from from my generation to yours. They would say period like, yes, everything you just said, I completely agree that gets me fired up. I wish they could see I'm literally smiling so big because it just fires me up to talk to somebody who has so much faith, who believes so much. And it's everything I believe. And I think in this year it's hard because we're so

isolated a lot of times. A lot of people can't actually go to church and be encouraged by the body. And so I just hope that this is such an encouragement to everybody that people still have faith. People are so believing that guy can do something huge and at the same time if we pick up our cross if we follow him if we die or something we do these things to call the gospel we will see that revival and so Christine thank you I love you friend I am so excited for this to go out I adore you man I'm running leaps myself you don't have much of faith in you awesome, you are the best. Thank you, well we love you. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. Love you Lord, thanks for having me. All right, as usual, thank you so much

for sending in the good and bad advice to the world that's good podcast Instagram and also on our L.O.S. sister app. We love it. We appreciate it. We laugh about it. We cry about it. We don't cry. We do. All right, if you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change the way you think about it.

Great news. Well, that's good. Great news. Great news. We have great news coming for you today. No, that's great news. If you don't like something, change it. That's good because I like people that are proactive. I like efficiency. I like people that get news. If you don't like something, change it. That's good, because I like people that are proactive. I like efficiency.

I like people that get stuff done and change it. If they need to change it. Yeah, and if you don't like it, change the way you think about it. I think that's great. Love it. You won't find peace at the end of your to-do list. That's good. That is good.

That's good, because to be honest, there's always gonna be something else you have to do. Yeah, and I think sometimes we so much try to like over-busy fire ourselves. And then when we end up doing all those things, a lot of times it doesn't really complete us or like I think there's always something, we always fight there's something else to do.

That's so true. No matter if there truly is or not, like we're always guests and sat. And so only true pieces found in Jesus himself and sitting with the father, that's so I believe. And so, start to do this down sometimes and just be with Jesus. Yeah. That's so I believe. And so say to do this down sometimes and just be with Jesus. Yeah. Okay, once I get sorry, this pregnant Samaritan humbles you. I got to like, it burnt. She's pregnant. No, man, again, lighten the sleep. Keep that rolling. During the

podcast, I'll be like, oh gosh, I'm really keep that rolling. Vision without action is just a day dream. Wow. That's deep. I did. It's super good because I really have a lot of. I wonder if that person thought about that or heard that. I have a lot of good with somebody said it. Yeah, but I'm saying, I wonder if the person who

sent that in thought about that. I think I have a lot of good visions, but if I don't do anything with them, that's so true. I'm just simply a major. Very good. All right, last one, an apple day keeps doctor away. I think you said that question. I'm literally eating an apple with just peanut butter. You forgot about the peanut butter cut. Apple day with the side of peanut butter comes. I just cut that for her and it was not good Look at this cut who cuts an apple like this

Good advice you gave me a plastic knife to cut it apple Well, we love you guys hope you learned so much from this pie gas from the amazing advisor cruising game to The English and skipping to using a metal knife to cut an apple. Hey, all advice accounts, right? But not everything you hear, what do Christine say? Wait, I gotta go back. I'm gonna go back. A peanut butter cup does not keep the doctor away either, by the way.

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