WHOA That's Good Podcast - The Lie That’s Keeping You Overwhelmed | Sadie Robertson Huff & Tara Sun

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

What if the reason you’re overwhelmed isn’t because you’re doing too little — but because you’re trying to do everything? You’re not alone. In this episode, Sadie sits down with Tara Sun to talk about her new book, "Overbooked and Overwhelmed: How to Keep Up with God When You’re Just Trying to Keep Up with Life." Together they unpack the pressure to keep going—even when you’re running on empty—and why God actually cares deeply about our rest, health, and rhythms. Sadie shares honestly about a season of deep burnout and how she found her way back from feeling completely depleted. She and Tara also discuss setting boundaries, learning to say “no,” and being more present at home instead of “numbing out” while scrolling social media. If you’ve ever felt like everything will fall apart if you slow down, this conversation is for you. This Episode of WHOA That's Good is Sponsored By: https://www.ponchooutdoors.com/whoa — Get $10 of and free shipping on your first order! http://shop.taylordukeswellness.com/whoa — Get 15% off sitewide anytime + for the next 48 hours, you can also unlock 2 free gifts with any full-size protein purchase! https://helixsleep.com/sadie — Get 20% off sitewide and make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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wait, this is incredible because I know her. But funny enough, I'd never met her, but we've followed each other on Instagram for years. He's gotten to do some things together. And I'm super grateful not only to have her on the podcast, but for her and her husband to be here in Louisiana. And we also get to shout out her new book, Overbooked and Overwhelmed. Now, I'd just like to say I might be counseled for the next hour on this podcast because this is a word I need to hear desperately. But Tara, thank you for coming all the way from Oregon to Louisiana. It's a blessing that here. Oh my gosh. It's a joy. It's been really sweet. We love the hometown, like small town vibes. It's been really sweet and really fun for us to get away and just like have us time. So thanks for having

us. Y'all are diving in. I mean, we are on Louisiana staying here for a few days. You want, you got a restaurant in DoorDash I never even heard of. Yeah. We're telling you some local recommendations. You are. I need to get more local. I'm like, what? No, but I'm super excited to dive into this conversation. But before we do, I'll ask you the question. We ask everybody because I know you're ready for it. What is the best piece of advice you have ever been given? Well, I thought about two different ones, but I'm like, I need to go like kind of deep for this. Okay, let's go. But the best piece of advice I think I've ever given is from my parents and specifically like my dad, because he like really nailed this in with my brother and I when we were young, both of my parents. But I just remember

my dad saying it more. And he always told my brother and I to make our faith our own. And he like, we grew up in a Christian home. It was a really great foundation. But he's like, just because you have that foundation of faith in us or like you go to church and you do all the extracurriculars. It's like you can't ride on our coattails. And I think I listened to that for so long thinking like, oh yeah, like sure. And then like there was periods in my life where I didn't do that. Right. I didn't make it my own and I realized, oh, like I need to make this real and personal. So that's like always stuck with me. And actually my parents are like middle school leaders at their church too. And they've done it for their whole marriage, like almost 40 years. And that's what like, if you ask any kid that's

been in their youth group, they will tell you that. Like, it's incredible. It's just sticks with everyone, I think. Wow. That's so cool. That's so cool. Shout out to them for 40 years of, like, ministry and the middle school. That is incredible. Middle school is the most intimidating group of people for me to speak to. I don't know about you, but like, some people are like, oh, it makes me nervous. I speak to adults or college students or high school. I'm like, no. Have you ever speak in front of a group of middle school or same? That's the most intimidating thing. Same. I used to like help my parents when I was going to that church growing up and like helping the group. And granted, that was maybe still like six to eight years ago. So I was younger. But I was like so nervous whenever my dad asked me to like

bring a word because I just felt like they were like not judging me. They keep you honest. They show everything they're thinking on their face, which is kind of nice because you know where you stand. But you're like, okay, you're not getting this or you are getting this. But really for me, I was actually preaching this message. I was giving them all. It was like prodigal son. I was like about to go into the odds recall to a group of middle schoolers and someone literally i didn't even know this was a real thing pulled a stink bomb like there's an actual stink bomb that was let off yes and so i'm like and the father's running to the sun and i'm like you smell something yeah smell something and i'm like not good at hiding my face and i was like i started laughing and that was like oh my gosh this is so

inappropriate that i'm laughing but i was like i'm sorry do y'all smell that because i'd literally thought a skunk entered the room, but thankfully it didn't. It was a stink bomb. I'd like to say shout out to your parents. Right. I love that piece. They made such an impact and like the fact that like they have stuck with it. Longevity.

But like it's such a formative year. Yeah. Or like years of your life. And you're probably going to test that too. Totally. Like knowing some of your story. Like I think it really brings out like insecurities and anxiety. But then I think it really can set you up too like to a good spot.

And so I don't. I'm just, they're my heroes and I'll talk about them all the time. I love that. That's amazing. So let's talk about middle school for a second, though, because my life changed a lot, my eighth grade year. That was whenever things started getting hard. I think that's whenever my faith was having to become my own. Like you said, like you're almost forced into it because now your parents aren't with you all the time. You get to make some of your own decisions. You're starting to be influenced by people. Your eighth grade year was a big year for you too, for other reasons. But can you share a little bit of what happened to you

after eighth grade year. Yeah. So it was just before freshman year of high school. So it was like on the end of my eighth grade year. And I remember just as clear as day, we were at our friends vacation home at the beach and like, it's right before school was going to start. We were hanging out. And I woke up one morning and like I could not like move without every inch of my body hurting out of bed. And it was like the craziest moment. And I remember like calling my parents in and being like this is super weird. And we ended up getting home and I felt a little bit better. But I kept having it happen like in the morning, start the day, really odd, like muscle pain, like nerve pain, like really bad headaches where I could, like, barely leave a dark room. It was just really odd. And so we went to tons of

different doctors and specialists and, like, trying to figure out what's going on because we were like just about to start school. And like I was super active in my life. And it just, of course, when something like this happens to you in general, it throws a wrench in your plans. But when you're like that young, I think it was really confusing. And so we finally found out that I was diagnosed with like fibromyalgia, which is just, it's usually something that like older people get. But younger people can get as well. And it's just like a widespread like musculoskeletal pain, really bad headaches and can cause fatigue and just really like it just like takes your function and just dips it completely down. And so that was a big wrench thrown in my plans. And so I had

to like miss my first year of high school and had to like be tutored back and like catch up. And I remember weeks on end just laying in bed. Like there was times where it was like two weeks where I couldn't get out of bed. And my parents, like, you got to get up and, like, shower. And I'm like, I can't. Wow. And so that was the beginning. Before this.

Yeah. Is it just totally out of nowhere? Totally out of nowhere. I think it was, like, from a random virus or something that came about. But it was completely random. I was like, I've grown up dancing my whole life. And so I was doing that. And, you know, doing all the church things, school.

Yeah. So it was, it was life altering. And that sounds dramatic maybe, but it really was. It doesn't sound dramatic. I mean, if you grow up dancing, normal kid, go into all that, and then all of a sudden you wake up and you can't move. Right. I mean, that's crazy.

And then not being able to go to your high school year. So at this point in your life, though, you're... Oh, hey. Oh, hey. Yes. I said, come out 11. I said, we're recording at 11. It's so nice to meet you.

Christian. I saw the red light on. That means recording. Come at 10. We're recording at 11. Can we keep this in? Welcome to the podcast. Christian's here.

My co-host. Hey, how's it going? It's a best of my husband, Michael. I was like, who would be walking in while the red lights on? Okay, now that my co-host has left the building with your husband, they're going to have fun talking about hunting. Let's go back to high school because this is a pivotal time of your life. I think I told you how YouTube stalked you. You kind of said your life up to that point was like pretty normal.

easy in a sense. And then this was like your first kind of like challenge to your faith. But I found it interesting that you started talking about how in your sophomore year that was like the hardest year of your life. Because when you hear your story, you would think like that was the hardest thing. But it seemed like sophomore year took a turn more challenging to like your own faith. You know to talk a little bit about that? Because to me that was exactly my story.

Like eighth grade was like really hard. It started challenging my faith. my life pivoted a lot, but then it was sophomore year I got into relationships I shouldn't have been in and was very influenced by that and took a turn. And so I thought that was interesting in your story too. Yeah, super similar. And of course, yeah, you had the diagnosis and trying to figure out new life. And then I went from a private school to a public school. And so like that was also a little bit of a culture shock. In a way, so there's a lot there. But yeah, sophomore year it was crazy because that was the year that I was kind of getting back into like, this is how life is now with what I'm going through.

And that was kind of the year, I think, like I mentioned before, that I didn't really make my faith my own. And so I started just kind of like taking risks. And I genuinely probably wouldn't have been able to tell you in the moment. But I think I was really jaded by God. I was really upset and bitter because of what I had went through a couple years ago thinking, like, Lord, if I'm following you, like, why would you do this? Especially at such a young age, especially in this moment. And so I think I had this like chip on my shoulder with God. And so sophomore year, I got into a relationship I shouldn't have. I started, like, lying to my parents and, like, sneaking around and, like, just, and also just,

like, not taking care of my body the way I should have, like, with this illness. There was just a lot that I threw out the window. And it all came crashing down. Thank God. But it all came crashing down. And I just realized, like, I needed to reconcile with the Lord. And because there was a lot in my heart that I was just holding on to a lot of bitterness. And I just kind of wanted to go my own way.

But I actually am really thankful, I think, in a lot of ways. ways that that happened. I'm glad that God protected me from some stuff in that rebellious phase, but I'm really glad it happened because I don't think I would have really built that foundation and the honesty with God if it didn't happen. Yeah. You know how some stories are just so familiar that we almost stop listening whenever they're told because we've heard them so many times? I feel like that can sometimes happen with the story of Easter, not because it is not the most powerful thing we've ever heard, but just because we might have heard it all of our life. But that's why Tim Tebow's new book, if the tree could speak, is really special. It's telling the story of the crucifixion

from the perspective of the wooden cross. The very thing that held Jesus as he died, the closest witness to Jesus' death, wasn't a person, it was a tree. And seeing the story through that lens just gives you a whole new perspective and a fresh perspective of both the pain and the redemption. The cross and the story starts out ashamed of what it's become, just two beams used for execution. But then discovers it's holding the king of kings. And that, transformation is such a beautiful picture of how Jesus redeems what feels broken or shameful and turns it into hope. The illustrations are absolutely stunning. The writing is poetic and it's honestly the perfect read as we start looking forward to Easter. It helps you reflect intentionally instead of rushing past the moment. I think this is such a beautiful thing for you to have or as a gift.

I have it right here and you can see it has so many amazing pictures. I am a big fan of pictures in any book because I'm such a visual learning. but this one specifically because it's obviously showing something so powerful. So let's step into the story of Easter in a different way. Order if the tree could speak by Tim Tebow today on Amazon. One of the things in that story that I thought was really cool was like you confessing to your parents where you had been like the state you had been in. That is hard to do. But it's very inspiring that that was a part of your story that was like a true change in you

because you had mentioned in this testimony video I watched like, I'd said sorry. so many times, but that time I meant it. There are people listening to this podcast right now who are living in a similar state of like, you know, wanting to feel rebellious, wanting to kind of do their thing, mad at God for how their life panned out and probably realizing, okay, this might not be the best decision, but what other choice do I have? I'm so deep in. I'm so far in.

I just want everyone listening to this to know, like, you're not too far out. You're not too deep in it. Like there's always hope. There's always grace. There's always love. Like Jesus is for you right here in the season you're in. But for you, how did you actually like snap out of that? Yeah.

Well, I think also I love that reminder because I think especially like being a Christian, you know that. But then like you're in a situation and you forget that that's true. So like having you say that again is just like hope for so many people. And even for myself. Like I also had to remember like the enemy was trying and succeeding for a long time. in that period of my life to get me to believe that like confessing to not only God but to my parents and the people that I love was going to be dangerous or they weren't going to accept me or like just like

all these lies. But like the moment I did, although it's painful and it's embarrassing and all these feelings like they welcomed me with open arms. They were like, we forgive you right away. Do we trust you right now? No. No. But do we forgive you and do we love you and are we working towards reconciliation and are we going to move forward? Yes. And like, same thing with the Lord times a million, right? And so for me, I think that snap moment was when I realized I was just so tired of hiding, not just from the Lord, but from my parents. And I was like, I'm going to be honest right now.

My parents took my phone away one time and I snuck my dad's iPad so I could email the boy I was hanging out with. Oh, my gosh. And if that I don't know if I've ever actually confessed that anywhere. What better place? I mean, on a podcast, we're getting real. And I, at this point, you know, but that's just how deep in it I was. I think there was a point where I'm like, I'm so tired of trying to hide and trying to look over my shoulder all the time.

And I just was exhausted, I think. And that sin can really weigh on you. Sometimes it takes a while for it to be like, wow, this is heavy. But I'm grateful that I like, yeah. Well, that's, I'm actually so glad you said that because there are so many people right now doing similar things sneaking around because people can take it away. from you. People can try to help you, try to put guard rails. But until you decide I'm done with this, you're going to keep finding a way to get what you want. And you have to make that decision. Like your parent said, like your faith has to become your own. Like this has to be a priority for you.

We can't make this a priority for you. It has to be a relationship that you find. And that's how every single one of us has to get to that point in our life. And I just, yeah, I love your honesty. Also, that's why I like love following you too because you're so authentic. And like you're really good. at being transparent and telling people how it really is, but not, like, also, like, holding things that are yours, you know? Like, yeah. I feel like sometimes it's hard to find that balance on social media of, like, being vulnerable, but not sharing too much with the whole world.

And I feel like you do such a good job of sharing things that are helpful to others. And so thank you for sharing that part of your story. So after that, how does life continue on? You graduate high school, you go to college. What does that look like? Oh, my goodness. You think that, like, after that, like, things to last. out, you know, and I had my like moment where I'm like, okay, Lord, I'm like my prodigal son moment.

I'm like, I'm coming back to you. I actually, it's funny how this happens. I told my parents and I told the Lord like, I'm going to like chill from relationships because that was really bad. Yeah. And I did for a little bit. And then I met my husband like a year and a half later in high school. We started dating.

You're better than me because you said that and it was a year and a half later. I said that and the next day I met Christian. So you never know. I love that though. And like I think it was super shocking. for my dad. Like he literally got like, he, he will tell you he got nauseous. Not only because it's his little girl. And like I was kind of, I was pretty serious about Michael right away because like there was something different about him. But also because he's like, this is not what we talked about. Right. And so,

but yeah, after that, like meeting Michael, so we've been high school sweetheart. So got married a couple years after that. But high school, I think after that was just a blessing because of what we went through previously. Fast forward, still dating, graduated high school. I had this plan. And I'm very, okay, I'm not as much type A anymore. I've had to release that just in general and then also being a mom. But I have always had a plan that I wanted to go into the medical field. And I'm like either a nurse or a doctor or something. And I should look back because I wasn't very good at like science or math. I was always really good at writing. But I had this plan and I got accepted into this really awesome college, kind of in our area,

moved down there, moved into a really awesome like girls Christian home that like you'd all, kind of like a girls Christian sorority. Everything was kind of like falling into place. And it felt like the Lord had really ordained it to be there for the next couple of years. And a really crazy thing happened like a month in that the Lord and I had just this conversation clear as day about not being there. And I really struggle with it because I thought, Lord, I don't want to leave. We've already had so many wrenches thrown into my plans. Like it's only been a month. Like, you're not giving me a clear step of what's next. You just are telling me not to be here. It was really difficult. Had to like pull out, move back home with my parents. They were really great.

but I just had this like aimless season when I was at home. Like I was working odd jobs in retail and it was fun. But like I just didn't really feel like I knew what I was doing. And for my personality, it was really hard for me because I'm like, I don't feel like I have purpose here, God. And you just feel like you weren't supposed to continue on like the medical path or you didn't feel like you need to be like around those people. What was the. So the people were great. The atmosphere was awesome.

The school was great. So like that was what was really confusing about it. And maybe people can attest to this as well that like you can be in a situation that. feels really good in all of the details and logistics. And it feels like it's from God, but like for some reason he tells you know or tells you to leave. And you're like, why? Like this feels great. So that was kind of my scenario. And then that's hard because then if you don't get the answer why, everybody else is going to be asking you why, it's hard to. That was embarrassing. Yeah. Because they're like, I mean, and for me, I'm like, people are going to think I failed or people are going to think like,

and everyone asks you like, oh, well, what are you going to do next? Like, it's always the question. Then you like feel intimidated by that. But yeah, it just wasn't like, the Lord was like, you're not supposed to be in this, in this field, in this, in this realm. But it wasn't really clear on what was next. And after being at home and working random jobs, my parents are like, you should just like go talk to someone at our church, like a like a counselor or a mentor. So I ended up meeting with her like almost every single week we'd have coffee. And remember a couple weeks in, she's like maybe like you should do some like Bible school or something where you can really dive into the word right now since you, you know, have kind of like this waiting period

of sorts. And she never said it as like a career thing. It was more like, just get to know God more. Like you've known the Lord your whole life. But like actually dive into the. word. So I did that and I started doing some online like hermeneutics and theology classes and I just fell in love with scripture. But I'm like, I'm like, I've known the Lord my whole life and I've like never known this though. So that like really opened up a whole door for me. And I always loved like journaling and writing. I had like a little laptop I bought when I was working from my dad at his farm in the summers. Like I spent money to get this. I was always writing. And so Michael then a boyfriend, well now husband, but at that point we weren't married yet. But he was like,

why don't you like just like write things down, just like kind of maybe it's cathartic, you know? So I like started like a little blog and yeah. And like that's kind of like the next phase. But it's just so crazy the ways that God is working years 10fold even sometimes beforehand. But it was really hard to see what he was doing in the moment. It's great. It's cool that you said. You're like, actually come to think of it, I'm actually not really good at that. I'm really good at writing. But we don't see that clearly in the moment. Like you see that later when you love. look back. Like when people ask me about what I do, I'm like, I would never have thought on one sense because I was so shy, but then on another sense, I look back and I was preaching on the

countertop to my parents. So it's like, okay, now I see it clearly, but I definitely didn't at the time. It felt shocking. It felt intimidating. It felt hard. But when people see someone else thriving in the, you know, path that God has for them, you just assume it was easy. You just assume, like, oh, you've always been here. You've always been this person. That's just so natural to you. And it's like, no, it's actually stretching. It's still hard. I'm still, you know, getting on board because you're human. And you have all the things that humans go through.

Anxiety and the why questions and the what were you doing back there questions. And that's so real. So I love this. And one of the reasons I wanted you to tell kind of the background of your story is because so many people do look at you and like, how did you get there? I want to do what you do. I want to write books. I want to do this. And everybody's path to that is so different.

Everyone's journey to that is so different. This is not a field where you go, oh, well, you go to college and you get this major and then it happens. And actually, I don't think really anybody's life works out like that. You know, even if you think you have like a straight-laced path, there's probably some twists and turns you didn't expect to it. But I do think for like author, writer, speaker, it is no one's stories the same. You can ask anybody. And it's like, well, this happened and that happened. you started writing for a blog, like your own blog, and what did that look like?

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It's like no, that was really. literally and like it was fun to be able to put it out there and it felt like I've always been kind of artsy and like it felt like like a fun creative outlet but genuinely no one was reading it and I wasn't like an OG blogger and I wasn't like doing fashion blogging but like I also felt like it was like kind of after everyone started and so like I don't think anyone knew what they were doing like I didn't know what I was doing I didn't know that like anyone read it I didn't know that it was a thing like I know people say that but I genuinely did not well it was you know it was on things I was learning from my theology classes. So it was like, hey, like, what does this Hebrew word mean?

Or I learned this in class. So it was just kind of like random musings, you know? It was really random. Were you growing your social media at the time too? Or your YouTube yet or anything like that? No, none of that. I mean, I think I still had like my normal Instagram that had all of my like high school, middle school, awkward pictures with all the Instagram filters that they had. You know, I, yeah, like, it wasn't even a thought to like make it a thing. Because when I was still doing this, I was like, Lord, I'm doing this in the meantime. Yeah. Like this is like a side thing.

Well, I figure it out. Yeah, I'm going to wait until you figure out like, where am I going to go to college next? Or like what degree am I going to get? Like it was so much like an afterthought kind of, you know? I didn't see what he was doing. Yeah. So what did it? When did you start to realize this is my thing?

I think it's when more people started reading. Like family shared it. And then I think I started sharing a little bit on my Instagram. Like, oh, okay. Like maybe other people want to read it. And then it like kind of started growing and it was really weird. Like, I'm like, oh, wait, so people want to read. And it was never like a career thing. It was still like, oh, but like I have time to do this and like maybe grow it. I don't know. It was, yeah, but it was a slow burn. And I think, again, people need to hear that in general. Like, a lot of life is a slow burn. A lot of stuff in your career is kind of like that just that ticking away that everyday obedience and that rhythm of just like showing up. And honestly, no expectations of maybe what number it might be or what God may do with it. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. So I'm. I'm. I'm. holding your second book now. So obviously the blog took off a little bit and your social media

took off and all that different stuff. When did you, when did the blog turn into your first book and how did that all play out? Okay. So maybe five or six years after I started blogging. So again, like it wasn't like an overnight sensation, which I think in the age right now, you know, as you're listening, everyone's here, like it's such a different like platform and landscape almost because I feel like a lot of people are going viral overnight and like it's just like not my story. But I'm really grateful because like I've also had a lot of like imposter syndrome and feeling like Lord am I equipped to do this? Like do I know the word enough?

Do I know you enough? Like am I giving people what they need? And it's a lot of me realizing that like it's not about me. It's about what God can speak through me. But like I'm really glad because those years like really formed me to be like, yeah, I'm going to surrender this. This is about you. It's not about how I look or what I know, but like what you can speak through me, right?

but it did take probably five or six years. And I remember someone emailed me. It was a publisher. And they're like, hey, we've seen, because I had a podcast, I started a podcast a few years before that. And they're like, hey, like, have you ever thought about writing a book? And I'm like, actually, yeah, but I don't know how to go about it. But it was just right after Michael and I got engaged in 2020.

And I'm like, I'm planning a wedding and I want to get settled. So I'll like talk to you later if it crystallizes, right? And so then after we got married, I'm like, let's like pursue this. But I was really hesitant. I'm like, Lord, I don't want to walk through a door that you don't have for me. So I'm like, let's just take one step. Because I think for me, again, like I mentioned, I'm super type A. And I always thought like I need to have like the six steps in front of me laid out before I make a move.

But my husband encouraged me. Other people were encouraging me and through prayer, I'm like, I'll just take one step. If the door closes, then we know that it's not what we need to pursue right now. And so I took the step and got some people to help me do a proposal and, you know, get the first book, which is surrender your story figured out. And we had so many people excited about it. And so I'm like, okay, Lord, I guess this is what you have. And ever since then, just kind of been taking the open doors from there.

So this is really cool and interesting because I know your story more than the listener knows your story. At the time you and Michael got married and then you start writing this book, you also like unexpectedly find out you're pregnant. So skirt. Oh, I got so much. So we got engaged in 2020, which you mentioned that so we live in Oregon. I'll try to make this brief, but like it's super wild. We're on a podcast. You can be briefed on Instagram.

Tell the story. I love this. No, yeah. So in 2020, August 2020, we got engaged. And then a month after there were wildfires that went all throughout Oregon. We didn't get affected, thankfully. My parents had actually have to evacuate, but their house was fine. But like literally where we got engaged, which is like 15 minutes away from where we live,

like a lot of it got burned down. A lot of houses, a lot of like our big park and stuff or like national park and stuff. It's like that was really crazy. So we were planning a wedding during that, and then we had an ice storm a week before our wedding. Because it got married in the wind. Fire in August. And then February, that next year, we had an ice storm that took out the power in our area for like two weeks. Oh my gosh.

Then we got it back. But then like three days before our wedding, the power went out again. And my mother-in-law was like scrambling to find generators. She's like, you are getting married. We might just have to power the venue with like 15 generators. Oh, my gosh. So like we had all that happen. Thank goodness.

The Lord was so apparent. and we didn't have to do that. Everything was fine. Like, all that was crazy. And then I think it was July, just a couple months after that, I found out I was pregnant. And I'm like, Lord, not a part of the plan again, so quick, was definitely not trying. Oh my gosh. And so we were really shocked. And honestly, Michael and I both, I mean, I'm going to be honest, there was a period, not that we never wanted the baby. Yeah. But we were just, I think, a little bit disappointed by the circus. and by the timing. Again, not by the baby. We have always wanted a family. We know what a gift they are, no matter when they go. But I think it was just another one of those things where we're like, Lord, this is not what we are ready for. And so by the time, it was a month after our first year of marriage, then we had our first. Wow. And you were writing your book during that time? Yeah. Oh, I actually turned my book manuscript in a week before Hunter was born. Oh, man. Yeah, no, I have to remember the timeline. But I remember like, Being super pregnant, I'm like, I got to get this in before I give birth to a baby.

Because, I mean, you know this. Even if you have all the help in the world, which I'm grateful for my family, like, it's hard. Like, I'm trying, you know, like with them like, you know, you're nursing a baby or you're chasing them. It's really hard. Yeah. Yeah. Gosh, I remember my book was due. The weak honey was due.

Oh, yeah. As well. Yeah. And when I turned my book in and I was like, okay, I got it done, then had honey. and then they sent me my edits back, like the next month. And I was like postpartum. And I'm looking at this. I'm like, oh my gosh.

So then I'm trying to edit this book and it's like not where I wanted it to be. And I have a newborn. I'm trying to figure out life as a mom. And then for some reason we thought it was a great idea to host our first conference ever three months after I had honey right after in the midst of the edits. And all that led me to like my first encounter with burnout. And I have to say before I experienced this, I did not really think burnout was a legit thing. I did for older people.

I didn't for younger people. I felt like, okay, I can see you've been working like for so long. You get burnt out. Like you get tired. Yeah. But I would hear young people say like you're burning out. I was like, come on. Why?

Why? You have so much energy. Yeah. We have the zeal. Yeah. And then I was like, hold up. Why am I struggling so bad? And for me, I got like super anxious, like had bad postpartum anxiety.

And then I just, it's hard to say, but like nothing excited me. Like any event that I had on the calendar, I would like hope it got canceled. I didn't want to show up. Like I didn't want to do anything else. And then even like to read my Bible, I would get super anxious because I would feel like I have to make whatever I read into a message or into a word. And so like I didn't want to read the Bible. And I started getting distant.

Yeah. And it really freaked me out. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm only, what, was I 24? And I was like, I already feel burnt out. And what does that mean for the rest of my life? And I remember actually sitting with Jenny Allen. And it was unexpected that I was even going to see her. And I just was like super honest.

I was like, Jenny, I'm really struggling. Like, I can't read my Bible. I don't feel excited about anything. Like, I want things to get canceled. I want to just quit everything. Yeah. And then she was like, okay. And she said, well, you're just burnt out.

And then she said, but I want to give you hope. She said, I've been here three times. And it gave me so much hope because in my mind, I was like, burnout means you're done. But it's like, no, burnout just happens. And you can get back up and you can keep going. You just got to get healthy again. And so I love that you wrote this book, overbooked and overwhelmed because I've certainly felt overbooked and overwhelmed so many times in my life.

And even experienced that period, I would say that was the only time I experienced, like the true feeling of like, oh, I don't know how I'm going to do this. But your story reminds me so much of mine. So many parallel things of like, I was trying to write a book and I was having a new one. I just kept trying to go and then all the things get crazy. So I'm so interested in how life panned out after your first baby that led you to writing a book like this. Because you don't write a book like this because you know everything about it. You write a book like this because you went through it.

Yes. No, and genuinely, and I want to say this. And I think people know this, but I want to say it again. And you know this. Like I did not write from a place of perfection. I wrote from a place of absolute brokenness. like burned out and like having to rebuild with the Lord. And I still like even on our way here, I was reading my book not for vanity, but like feeling that way again, right? And needing

to remind myself of God's truth in this. But very similar as well where I wrote this book. Let's see here. I think I wrote about like a year, a year and a half after my first because I did things so wrong in that period. And like I said, like I turned the book in and then not only just like book stuff or work things, but just trying to figure out how to be a new mom, being postpartum, and all the things that you don't see on social media. Like, I'm trying to keep my house clean and I'm trying to make dinner for my family every night, and I'm trying to go to church and serve and invite people in our home and make the doctor's appointments. And I hope I'm not making anyone like nervous hearing that. But like sometimes I feel that way. Like there's so much stuff,

right? And I, in the midst of that, right, like you would think the Christian answer, which is the right answer, but the Christian answer that we know in our head is like when we feel that way, when we feel overwhelmed, when we feel like we're on the verge of burnout, when we're exhausted, like we should run to the Lord. We should go to His word, see what he has to say, not take on all the burdens, cast our cares, right? First Peter 5, 7. But instead, I thought it would be better for me to like keep piling things on because I'm like, I have to keep moving. If I stopped, talk to the Lord, if I stopped to open the word, if I stopped to, oh, heaven forbid, take a break from work or something, then everything's going to come crashing down.

And so I kept just running. I kept doing things, kept adding things. And I also just distracted myself a lot. And what I mean by that is like numbing out on social media or like maybe going to other comforts like food. Again, things that maybe aren't bad, but aren't like my true source of fulfillment and rest. So it was a big season of continuing to pile things because I thought the pressure was on me and then just numbing out with other things. And so that's why I wrote the book because I was such a shell of a human, genuinely, such a shell of a human. I've totally been there and I think you're so right about that. Okay, spring is in the air around here. The weather's warming up. We're getting outside more, firing up the grill, and craving lighter, fresher meals. And that's why we are loving wild-alasting company.

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those things are there for every single person. And even today, you asked me, you were like, how's your morning? It's great. And I was like, yesterday morning was not great. Yesterday morning was crazy. I mean, literally just having three kids, Christian went hunting, so he left up four.

And when he opened the door, like the little alarm went off. so it woke up all three kids. Oh, no. Yeah. And so then all three kids are awake at four, and I'm like, oh, man. And so then Haven is like wanting to stay by my side, not when to go to sleep. Honey's mad at Haven because she's laying by me and blah, blah, and then kids cry.

I'm trying to get her back to sleep. And it's like this whole thing. Yeah. And then we get up for school and everything goes crazy. Then in the morning, and it's like, that outfit's not right. And this isn't right. And that and that and that. It spiraled so quickly.

It spiraled so quickly. And then to top it all off, someone had just said something to me that morning about one more thing I needed to do that I hadn't gotten done and it just sent me and I literally started to cry like tears started just welling up in my eyes and honey looked at me she said why are you crying like you're not supposed to cry like you're the mom but as the mom sometimes you feel it like it's like I can't cry like I can't have a moment of weakness because if I have a moment of weakness like how is everybody else going to make it because you put it all on yourself to keep it up for everybody yeah and it was actually like

like a sweet moment between me and honey because I was able to tell her I was like mommy's trying my best to do things for all of y'all and I just said I'm trying my best and I'm tired this morning and I'm sorry that I'm crying but this is just real and like she got to see that in me and then I said hey will you listen to my devotional with me and we listen to a devotional together I love that you know part of you feels like I think the enemy will like tell you oh you know like kind of like oh yeah you're overwhelmed you're stressed out you cried you failed But it's like, no, God is allowing me to show, honey, how to overcome when you feel exhausted and when you feel tired. Like, you don't have to be perfect as the mom.

Like, you can be a human. Yeah. And I just can relate to that so much, like what you're saying. And numbing is a big thing for me, too, unintentionally. But, like, social media, I'll just scroll and, like, just try not to think about all the things that have going on. And so right now I have social media all apps deleted because I'm like, I don't want to turn there. Right. And I know it's kind of like the iPad thing.

for you. It's like if there's an option to have it. Like if I delete Instagram, I'm going to Facebook. I'm going to TikTok. Like I got to delete them all. I'm going to get it all out because I don't want to numb. And I love that in your book. You make a point to say like numbing. Like what did you say? I think I wrote it down. Oh, like fight the numbness. Because it's actually good to like feel those things and have those thoughts. Yeah. How do you, for you, like for me it looks like deleting it and like actually kind of forcing it. What does that look like for you? I think it's the same. And I would say it's something that we all need to do. Like if maybe maybe, maybe it's, if people say like, oh, I can use like the, what do you call it, like the screen time thing on your phone

or if I can just like put my phone in another room. I don't know. You have to be like the strongest person in the world. Maybe it works for some people. But it's whoever me either. I'm like, add 15 minutes. Seriously. Oh, I actually just recently got the brick thing. Have you heard? Mom just got that. I actually love it. It's been really great. But I think things like that or deleting it or like turning your phone off and realizing I don't need to be reachable all the time. And also reminding yourself that like we were not created for all this information. And like just so much our fingertips in, you know, in a device and to be so on all the time. So yeah, I think for me deleting all those things that are in the way, but then like replacing

them with things that are life-giving, right? That's good. So like if you're numbing with one thing, I say this in the book too, if you're numbing or distracting with one thing, it's, that thing is maybe not necessarily a bad thing. It's just that's getting too much of you. And so how can you replace that with something else that may give you more life, may give you more joy, more presence with Jesus or your family? because I think like when we're scrolling, we want to just be comfortable. We want to relax. We want to rest. We just want to have a moment. So then if you replace that with something else, like maybe that's like going on a walk by myself with a girlfriend, going to coffee, hanging out with my kids, watching a movie with my family. Like what does that look like as an exchange? I think that's really helpful. Because like I think they say this all the time and like habit formation and all these studies. You have to like replace it or like stack it with something else that makes it more doable, makes it more lifegiving. And.

honestly making it like attractive too like that sounds really like kind of cheesy but like we do have to do those things like get us out of that rut you know it's true um my basically whenever i went through that whole burnout season and don't know how to get out of it i ended up going to this guy he's kind of like he helps you life plan and um he's amazing really on the podcast yes okay i love that episode i know yes i know you're talking about he's so amazing and what he told me to do he's like you need to do more things that cause your mind to be like like go numb in a sense but not not, like mindless, mindless things that give back to you. And he called it like the green zone. And so for me, that looks like walks. Yeah, that looks like a game. I'm such a game.

Love it. Let's play cards. Let's play mahjong. Let's do something. Yeah, movies with our family. Like anything like that, that it does help your brain slow down and be calm, but it also gives back to you, you know, and it's like good for you. And so I love that advice in the book. Also, one of the things he helped me with is the pattern of my life that I had been on and the, I guess, I don't even know the word for it, but the rate I was going was not sustainable. It was like, I had to shift. Like that was when you said, if I don't keep it together, everything's going to crash down, what you don't realize in that is if you keep going at this rate, you're going to crash down. Oh, yeah.

And so I was crashing down. I was like, this is not working. And he was like, we do need to restructure some things in your life. And it was really, really helpful. For you, how does that look like? because I love the part in your book where you talk about learning no and boundaries and learning how to move forward and say no because it is hard. It's hard to say no.

It's hard to restructure because even though it's hard, you get used to that pace. Oh, yeah. And even if it will end up being the thing that makes you like completely faint, pass out all the things, like you get used to it. How did you know it's my time to slow down and I have to learn how to say no? The biggest thing for me was I realized what a not great, just not like, like daughter of Jesus, but also wife and mom I was. I wasn't doing any of those well. Yeah. That's like really hard to admit. But like I say this in my book, like, my sweet husband over here,

I just remember one moment. It's like the first page of the book where like I snapped at him doing dishes at midnight. And I'm not a night owl. And I like admitted to him that like if I didn't finish this, that everything was going to fall apart. Like I literally said that over the dishes. But like what I love about this message and this conversation, Sadie, is like whether people can relate to like our lives and like what we do or not, like we all feel. feel this way. Oh, totally. Right? Like, whether you work a nine to five or work from home or you're a wife or you're a mom or you're in school or high school, like whatever, like I think we're all so busy and we're all listening to the cultural narrative that we have to do it all and be at all, especially I think as women, right? Like women have a lot of unique, amazing roles, but we pile them on so much. And I realized it was when I was not treating the people in my life, great. I was, yeah, not being a really, like, loving wife or mom. And I was the snippy, just angst version of me all the time. So I just realized how it was affecting other people as well. And it was affecting

my relationship with God. And so there's a chapter in the book like you mentioned about just like saying no, like giving your best yes and and also your no. And there's a story. I love Nehemiah's story in scripture. It's like one of my favorite Old Testament books. And when I was rereading it like before I wrote the book, I remembered that there's actually so much in Nehemiah's life that teaches us about this because he was given us, or he was given by God an incredible purpose, right? To rebuild the walls. but he also had a lot of opposition. He had a lot of noise. He had people that came up against him.

He had distractions. He had other things he could be doing. And I know he wasn't perfect, but we read in his story that every time someone came to distract him, every time there was something else, he would literally respond to them and say, I can't come down and talk to you right now. I have better work to do. I have a job to do, right? So he was saying yes to what God had for him and no to other people.

But like I think sometimes we get that mixed up. And it's like if I say no to this person or this job or this opportunity or this like, social activity. If I say no, then I'm like going to lose out and I'm going to let people down. But like when you say no to something, you also gain something else, right? And I had to remember that and be like, honestly, if I'm giving too many yeses, then I am not going to leave much of myself left for what God has for me, right? And I know God can work through my weaknesses. But I also don't want to just be this like just totally torn apart version of myself. Like I write in the book too that God does not call you to wash yourself out like a washcloth, like ring yourself out

completely in his name. Like that's not what he wants us to do. And so I just, I think back to your question was that I just realized the effects that it was not only having on my relationship with God because I felt so distant, but also how I was treating other people in my life. That is such a real come-to-Jesus moment.

Yeah. I wonder what Pete Richardson said to me. He looked at me and he said, if you do this, you're going to make it very hard on your family. If you keep doing this, and I just broke, start crying. I was like, that's the last thing I want.

Like the most important, I think I'm doing it for them, right? Yeah, yeah. And thankfully, like, this conversation happened in my life when Honey was like six months old. And I'm really thankful for that like intervention then. But also I just want to say to moms out there, you might be looking at your kid and there's seven, eight, nine, 13, 14, 15, you might be thinking, oh, it's too late. It's never too late. It's never too late to go, okay, I'm going to give this the Lord. I'm going to become a more present mom. And I'm going to, and you can always saying sorry to your kids is such a powerful thing. thing. Sorry to your friends or just saying sorry. Like, hey, I recognize that I haven't been the best friend. I recognize that I haven't been the best mom. I've been distracted or I've been this. There's so much power in that humility, you know? And for me, I just say sorry to Christian. Like, hey, I'm sorry I've been making our schedule so busy that I've been putting that

in front of our marriage. I didn't mean to do that. But I just kept saying yes, not realizing that those yeses, although have opportunities also have consequences. Right. And so I had to learn that at that time of like, okay, where are my priorities and how do they fall? And for us, like, ministry is, our first ministry is our home. It's our kids.

It's our family. That has to not only be said, but that has to be lived out and done. And then everything else is the overflow and everything else. It's all together, you know? Right. And so I'm making decisions now totally different in the way I used to make decisions. And I love how Craig Groschell says it. It's like he has this advice, like to pre-deceal.

decide and determine your decision. So therefore, like, okay, these are the things that are important to me at this time of my life. And when you pre-decide, when another opportunity comes and it's like, hey, can you do this? It's like, well, already said, these are the values that I'm saying yes or no to. So now I can weigh that and I can say no because I already decided. And it actually came into my life. I'll give you a practical example yesterday. So we're going on this tour and it's in February. And I had to kind of make some decisions that I wanted to just be two weeks, which is not a long tour, but I was like, I just feel like I need to be present with my family. And they're going to come out on the road with this the second week. So we had this decision made. Well, yesterday,

I got a call and they're like, hey, I know your family's out in the road with you, but during one of the days, can you come and do this whole other thing at this college campus and all this stuff? And they said, don't give me an answer now. And I was like, actually, I can give you an answer now. I'm going to have to say no because I had already pre-decided that that weekend is the week and my family's there. And during the day, we're going to do fun stuff as family. So that helps with your yeses in your nose to go like, I know I've already decided, even if it's tempting, even if it's like, oh, that's exciting. And there are sometimes you'll feel the Lord go, no, you should do that.

Sure. That is fun. That's exciting. Yeah. But I felt like that really helped me. Yeah. Since writing this book, how do you feel like this message has helped you in all of that, the stress and the overall that you were feeling?

Like, how do you feel now? Not that you're going to be perfect. Right. But how has this message even changed your home? I remember whenever we started low and I had all the what-is, what if I had, What if I fail? What if it isn't where I need to be? And looking back, I can see so clearly that God had his hand in the whole thing.

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or in our church or whatever. And so everything has kind of filtered through that. But also I wanted to say too that like when you pre-decide or when you get your priorities straight, it actually helps you to do those things with excellence. Right? Because like before I was doing maybe like 30 things versus like maybe five, you know? And then it's like those 30 things were not done well with excellence unto the Lord, you know, but I can really, I have more margin to be able to do those things well. So I would say that's probably one of the biggest things, but also presence, just being present with the Lord. This book has changed my life in that because, like I said, I've known the Lord my whole life. I've read his, I've read the Bible so many times. And yet, like, failing and then

learning all of this over the last couple of years, I realized, like, I had this in my mind, I think, that being with the Lord in the word or in prayer, or just in general, was like confined to like my quiet time in the morning. Like, okay, I'm going to open up my word for an hour with my highlighters, my coffee, my hot cup of coffee, not cold, but my coffee's always cold these days. But like, I just kind of think that, like, that was my time to be present with the Lord. And then I shut the Bible and I go and do my day. But like reading scripture, like, even just thinking the Old Testament, right? Like, people had to go to the temple and, like, go to someone on their behalf to go to the Lord for them.

the presence of God, right? But like since Jesus came onto the scene with the Holy Spirit, we have 24-7 access to Jesus. But something that hit me in writing this was that Jesus is always present, but like I put things in the way, like distractions or other priorities that are bigger than him in my mind. And so I just have to like get creative about how to push those things aside and to be present with him. And so this book changed my life and realizing that like, I don't have to wait for the perfect moment. I can whisper a prayer up to him while I'm driving while I'm working, while I'm with my kids, while I'm getting unready for the night or ready for the day. And I think that was also just a huge wake-up call for me.

And then maybe we'll talk about this in a minute. But another thing that changed in my life was the pace that I was running at. And I know we mentioned this, but I, looking at Jesus's life, of course, Jesus was perfect and he's fully God, but he's also fully man. And Jesus had the greatest purpose on the earth that anyone ever has or ever will. And yet he was still able to take a nap and to recline at a table and to walk for hours and hours because they didn't have cars. They had to, you know, take time to get places. Like, Jesus still had that woven into his rhythm. And so studying the Gospels and preparing for this book,

too, was incredible to see, like, well, Jesus, like, this is how he did it. And this is how he sustained it. This is how he taught people to do it well. Like, I'm still not perfect. But, like, it's been always, it's in the back of my head now when I do things. I'm like, wait, what was that truth again? Yeah, that's so good. We do live in this culture that, like, you know, if you take a nap, you're weak, you're tired. Like, come on. Like, don't rest. But actually, actually, if you look back, some of the best thinkers of the previous generation napped every single day. Wow.

Really? Yeah, yeah. It's like I don't want to botch it because I don't want to say the wrong person. Yeah. But some of the most deepest thinkers that we know who wrote many books and things that we, I'm going to look it up and I'm going to put it up here because I don't want to say the wrong name. But I found it fascinating that they napped every day.

And I was like, what? Like 20 minute power naps, taking naps here and there. And then just rested. Like their pace was so different than ours. And I think it has a lot to do with social media. It's like, we got to keep up. We got to go. Like the algorithm.

You got to post every day. Yeah. And I'm like, no, we don't. Like I love Kristen Kane said at Passion this year. Marched by God is so much better than being marketed by man. Oh, that's good. You think I got to do all this stuff to get known. It's like, nope, if you're marched by God, you can rest in that.

So good. And you don't have to rush it. And Jesus is the prime example of that. I love that. Yeah, there's even just something, again, like you hear the story of Moses and manna all the time when God provided the mana. But like, you know, you did it on the felt boards in Sunday school. And then now as I got older, I realized like, God told them, so only store up what you need today. Because if you store up more during the week, it's going to

go bad. People tried that. It didn't work. But then he said, store up the day before your Sabbath an extra helping so that on the Sabbath that you'll have enough. And that won't go bad. And like, you just hear stories of that throughout scripture where like you realize God really cares about rest. And, you know, Sabbath is going to look different for everyone. And I write that in my book too. It's not maybe going to look like a nap every day or maybe it's not going to look like a full day where you can just throw your phone away. Like it's going to look different in practice for all of us in a different day. But I just, I think we have to remember just how much God cares about Sabbath and how much he cares about our health and also just our bodies. Like,

it's not just about our spirit. I also say this in the book too, remembering that passage in first Thessalonians that God says like that you were created whole. Like I made you whole. When I came to redeem you Jesus on the cross, I came to make you whole. You're not a fragmented person in me. You may feel that way in this earthly body, but like you are whole. And so treating your whole self too and reminding that, you reminding yourself that that rest is important too. It helps you do it well. So good. Yeah. Easier something done, but you know. No, this is so good. We all need this advice. It's crazy. I look over at the time of we're already at 50 minutes. Oh, dang. Which is so crazy. But I love that you've been saying, I wrote this in the book. I wrote this in the book.

Yeah. Don't worry, friend. If you need a lot more advice from Terry, you can go read. her book and there is so much more in the book overbooked and overwhelmed. Not to mention your social media is amazing. You do such a good job. You are a sister and a friend to so many people and I'm grateful for your influence and I'm grateful that all of the world that's good

listeners were saying have tears on that is the sweetest. It's been a blessing to get taught today and I also want to mention that she gave me the cutest little cross necklace this morning that you make and that you sell. So tell everybody where we can follow along your life and see all the things that you're putting out. You're so

kind. Yeah, I'm on Instagram at Ms. Tara Sun and I have a podcast called Truth Talks with Tara. Sadie's been on, so go listen to our episode. That was like years ago, which was so fun. I have to do it again. Yeah, and then you can grab my books, anywhere books were sold on Amazon or your favorite place. And yeah, I wanted to bring Sadie an everyday cross. And I made this because I wanted a tangible reminder. I love like girly things. But I also just wanted a reminder that was around my neck that the gospel sustains me and provides for me and the Lord is for me. And I don't have to do this alone very much in theme of what we talked about. It's beautiful.

I love it. Thanks for being on the podcast. Thanks, friend.