WHOA That's Good Podcast - Thomas Rhett and Lauren Akins in the Studio! Plus, our First Ever LIVE Audience! | Sadie Robertson Huff

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

In Sadie’s first live-audience episode, she sits down with country star Thomas Rhett Akins and his wife, Lauren Akins, to talk about it all: how they met, how they’ve handled fame, when their faith became the main thing, and how they’ve learned to say “yes” and “no” with intention and peace. Lauren admits she was dragged —kicking and screaming — into the public side of their life, but now calls it a beautiful adventure, saying she’s living every dream she had as a little girl. Thomas Rhett opens up about work-life balance, the tough calls he’s had to make, and why it’s all been worth it. He also gets real about learning to love his wife and kids well — and why he can’t be the source of their happiness. Only God can. This Episode of WHOA That's Good is Sponsored by: https://loveoneinternational.org/whoa — Join the Love Club today. For just $20 a month you'll provide life-saving support to a child in need and as a thank you, you'll receive exclusive Love Club merch! https://gominno.com — Get your first month FREE when you use code WHOA at sign up and don't miss the Laugh and Grow Bible for Kids Easter Special! https://go.goodranchers.com/WHOA — Get $25 off your first order with our code WHOA at checkout! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What is up, everybody? Okay, today's episode is so special, and I have been gatekeeping this for a long time. So I don't know if you know how reality TV works, but you film it a little bit in advance. And so when we filmed this episode, I was pregnant with Kit. And on this day, it was actually, we were back in the green room when Lauren told me that she was pregnant. They didn't know what they were having at the time. But now we know he's a little boy named Brave and he's in the world. So we have Kit and Brave.

Two kids have been added. And so a lot has happened since we filmed this episode. But I love this episode. It was the first time we ever had a live audience here in the studio. It was so much fun. And I just love Tom. Ms. Brett and Lauren so much. Their story is so incredibly powerful, and I know you're going to learn from this episode. So I'm excited for you to watch this. And then also this Saturday on A&E,

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Let's hear it from the back. So for those of you who have been following, well, that's good for a long time. Y'all have heard me say this a million times. One day it would be so cool to have a live audience. Because I always say one day I'd love to have a talk show, and that's just like the next step. And we finally have been able to make it happen.

And we're so excited and so grateful for people being in the room today to listen into this awesome conversation. And of course, for everyone listening, we're so excited for y'all to join in because, like I said, we have two very special guests that y'all are going to be excited about. We have it. Thomas Rett and Lauren Aikens here in Louisiana. So welcome, guys. Thanks for having us. Yes. This is awesome. And I didn't know that you were such a huge duck hunter.

So we're right at home. For sure. I was like, you might should have done the Duck Call Room podcast because my duck hunting knowledge is. Very, very limited. But you're going to go this year. This is my year. This is my year. Yes, it's been shocking to everyone that I've never been.

And that is really pitiful because, obviously, for obvious reasons. But this is my year. I'm really excited. Carry on my grandpa's legacy. My husband got to go with Pebble Phil many times. And so he's going to help me and the girls learn. That's amazing. It'd be great.

A little adventure. Yes. Lauren hadn't been yet either. So maybe we should do a joint. Well, I've been just not with you. I went with my uncle and my cousins growing up. Oh, that's right. You did.

You've never been with me. We should go together. We all need to come back to Louisiana. We will. We will. We can bring the girls. It'll be so fun. Really entertaining.

Because honey duck hunting would be quite the experience for everyone. Well, I asked the same question to everyone who comes on the podcast, and typically it's what's the best piece of advice you've ever been given. But when we have two people on, it can be a little harder. And so I'm going to ask you a more specific question. What's the best piece of marriage advice that the two of you. were ever given. Yeah. Ooh, I feel like a lot.

I feel like the ones that are helping most days now, just with our life in total chaos publicly, but also just at home with four little girls, is don't take it too seriously, learn to laugh a lot through a lot of things. One of my best friends is like, I just laugh to keep from crying. I do think that helps a lot of times.

But I think just in marriage, I think staying best friends and, what would you say that's good I feel like it changes for me every year the bits of advice because they're definitely

it's different in your first couple years of marriage than it is when you get past the 10 year mark and we're going to celebrate 13 years this year which is crazy

but I think it's so cliche because I've heard this for so long but I think learning for me how to continually learn how to date your wife even when you're you know five years 10 years in

because I do think it's really easy especially once kids start coming in the picture to become roommates or just like joint parenting partners. You know what I'm saying? Like if you're not intentional with, like, her biggest thing for me this year,

I've done a lot of therapy this year. And her biggest thing for me is like, I was like, what do you need for me in this season of life? And you're like, I just want you to get up at 6 o'clock in the morning so that we can read our Bibles together and we can have 30 minutes before the chaos begins. And what's so funny is that waking up for me

it's the hardest thing on the planet. That's like the one thing. He's like, why? Yeah, anything else. Like, I'd rather go paint the whole house. You know what I'm saying? But just, I think just continuing to ask each other, like in seasons of life, like, hey, what are you lacking from me?

And how can I do better in that area? But I think just learning how to be intentional, because it is so easy, you know, after you, for us, after you put four kids to bed, 845, 5. We are waxed. 9 o'clock. Like, yeah. Like, you're either. And you don't really want to get into the conversation you started earlier in the day that ended in argument or whatever

It's so much easier to turn on a Netflix show Yeah, and just numb out the world, go to bed, and then kind of forget the conversation ever happened But I think the more intentional you can be about Just digging deeper even if it's just 10 or 15 minutes before you go to sleep Is like my new version of continuing yes like go to dinner and Yeah Hold the door like even just opening I opened her car door last night for the first time in a minute which is so sad but it just made me feel like, ah.

Usually we're shoveling everybody. Like, oh, you about that, that's head. I got this side. It's so sweet. But just continuing to learn how to date each other, I think, is sort of been the best piece of advice I've gotten. Great. I love that so much.

It's such good advice. So much in that. I was thinking, so someone gave marriage advice one time on the show, and it was pretty recently, and they were saying, ask your spouse how their heart is, like before you go to bed. And it was really cool to hear that

because probably six months ago, Christian and I were talking about that same thing. Like, what do we need from each other? now in this, you know, stage that we didn't necessarily a couple years ago. I was like, I just want you to, like, check in on my heart because I don't feel as natural to just bring that up, you know? And sometimes you want your spouse to ask you, like, how you're doing based off maybe you're in a bad mood and, like, you're waiting on them to ask instead of just saying it,

which totally I should be mature enough to just say it. But it helps when they're like, how's your heart? And then it kind of gives you the door. And it was just funny because she said that. So then that night, I thought about it. and I was tired, you know, again, so much easier just turn on a show. So I, like, turn on my show. I was watching it.

And Christian was going to bed and I was like, I need to ask him how his heart is. So, like, I stopped the show and I looked at it and then I just kind of smiled because I was like, this is about to be awkward. And he was like, what are you doing? I was like, I'm about to ask you how your heart is. And I just can't do it naturally right now because I know you're going to be like, why are you asking me that? And so anyways, it gave us a good laugh. And I was like, but how's your heart? And it led us into such a great conversation.

Then he's like, how's your heart? And it is kind of funny because sometimes in those new stages of life, it does feel awkward to transition into maybe asking more intentional questions or getting up early or going out a date. But it's worth the little awkward beginning. And it actually is even kind of cute and fun. It makes you feel like you're dating again where you feel awkward to ask something or nervous, you know?

100%. So I love that advice. It's so good. And it's cool that y'all have been friends for a really. really long time. I think y'all are friends before you even, you know, started dating. Can you tell us a little bit about how y'all met and when the relationship started? Yeah, we have actually been friends. Really, I feel like middle school is when we got close, but we've been in school together since first grade. Wow. So we've known each other. Our families have been close forever.

And then we decided it would be a good idea to try to date at 15 and 16. And it was not a great idea. Didn't go great. We were much better off friends in that stage of life. And we figured it out quickly. Well, I'd really think... She figured it out quickly. A little bit quicker than he did.

I was like, I don't think this is going to work. How long did you date for? Like, not even a year. Not even a year. Which at that, I feel like at 15 years old. It's pretty solid. I feel like there's a good length of time. It feels long, yeah.

But then we just stayed really close. Like double dated when he would, in college. college, he would come stay with me in Knoxville or stay at my boyfriend's apartment, actually. What? Yeah. And we spent the weekend together. We both had really serious relationships. Like, after being 16, like, I dated a girl for a really long time.

She dated a guy for a really long time. And I think both of us thought we were going to potentially marry these other people. Wow. Yeah. And that's like a whole other long story. It's a different podcast. Different podcast. Part too.

But we kind of, you know, we remain really, really close friends. She said we double dated and I went to college for a few years and then I dropped out my junior year because I was starting to write and really wanted to sing. And I just found myself in this one moment and we were like 21, I think, when I was single and she was like freshly single. Yeah. And I remember. Totally heartbroken, by the way. Totally heartbroken. I remember calling her dad because even through like dating other people, like she always had.

this place in my heart on my mind. And she was always sort of the bar for me. And so when I found out that her relationship was ending, there was this part of me that was like, oh, but then I was like, yes. Like, you know, like, it's my time now. And I remember calling her dad being like, listen, like, you know how much I love your daughter. And he was like, I know her dad is an amazing human.

And it was her sister's graduation party. And I called her dad. I said, I think I'm going to tell Lauren how I feel about her tonight. And he was like, well, if you don't, I'm going to. That's what her dad said to me. And I was like, well, that would be really awkward. And so I remember, you know, that night after the whole crowd had left, it was like maybe midnight or 1 o'clock in the morning and went on the front porch at her parents' house.

And I was like, you know, just kind of confessed my love. And like, like, I just signed a record deal. And I was like, I think you would hate my life, like being on the road and all this kind of stuff. And you probably don't even like me anyway, but you should know that I love you. And you actually said we can't be friends anymore. Yeah, at that point, I was like ready to like not be friends anymore. He was like, we got to walk away from this friendship or we're going to like send it. And I was like, we're not sending it.

Yeah. Wow. So I stole a line from the notebook, which is arguably the greatest film of all time. That was a good move. And I literally, I literally said, why don't we just kiss and see what happens? You know what I mean? I was like. I'm dying.

I love this so much. And Lauren is not one to turn down a dare. Like, she will do anything. And I was like, I dare you to kill. kiss me. I knew that that was going to seal the door. You actually blocked me from going off my... I was like, we can't do this. You've ruined our friendship. I'm going to go to bed. I've got to get up.

We're doing the graduation ceremony. We're right and early. And I was like, we're not doing this. And he stood up in front of me and he was like, no, one, please, just one kiss. I was like, what are you doing? Absolutely not. He goes, I dare you. And I was like, right, fine. Oh, my gosh. And then we dated for six months and got engaged. That is wild. That is a really good. story. Friends, if you could positively impact just one person's life with a small act of love, wouldn't you want to do it? I want to tell you about an organization that's really close to my heart

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I was like, I'm just going to see what happens here. That is a full sin. It is full sin. So you went from like, you ruined our friendship and then you kissed and it was like magic. Yeah, yeah, kind of. She saw sparks. Well, because we truly knew just about every detail about each other. You know, like it really was like a best friendship for so many years.

and I felt like I knew every part of him except for that part because even though he dated at 15 years old, not the same thing and we had lived so much life in those however many years in between and it was I just didn't think I didn't think that the romantic fart could exist

that just gave a lot of people hope because there's a lot of people in the friend zone thinking like you just don't know you don't know you don't know And I do remember after we kissed, I remember thinking, well, it didn't feel like I was kissing my brother. I was just like, well, maybe I'm into it. And so for a while, I kept looking at, I'm like, I just got broken up with. Like, I can't promise you, this isn't just a rebound. Yeah.

And so he was like, you played it so cool. Well, only because my dad and my stepdad said they were like, you can't keep pressing in. Like, you got to play it cool. You got to play it cool. And I'm not a play it cool kind of person. Like, if I'm like in a relationship, I'm like, what are you doing? You know what I mean? Like, all right, good night.

Love you. No, I love you more. Like, that's kind of how I was. And so, like, I remember just like, you know, I think she said something like, I'm just trying to figure out if this is just like a rebound. And I was like, it's cool. You know what I mean? Complete and total.

You're like, let's just roll with it and see what happens. I was like, really? Yeah. You were like, yeah, totally. I was like, sweet. Yeah. That is so awesome. So I dated for about.

six months and gotten married. At the time, y'all were pursuing different things career-wise, though. I mean, you were- He was finishing up nursing school. Finishing up nursing school, which is no joke. No joke. And he was touring. He was gone quite a bit, but I remember when we did start dating, he would come off the road and fly in the Knoxville, which is a little airport. But he would reroute his flights just to come see me for even just a few hours sometimes or a day and I cried when he left and I didn't I didn't want to be without him and it was wild how my world just flipped upside down. I was like I actually just don't ever want to spend another day without you and and so that's why we were like well how fast can we make this

happen. Wow. And so a lot of people were like don't rush into it. Y'all are young, which I felt like 21 compared to a lot of our friends was young. Yeah. Very young. And we were just like, we know that this is what we want and why would we wait? Yeah. If like we've waited on so many things and we're done. We're done waiting.

Yep. And so we got married fairly quick. Our families were had our backs from the beginning through and through. And Virginia, his manager always, I feel like was a big support too. and it was so much fun. It was so fun. And I do feel like we lived a lot of life and we were really young. So we still learned so much about ourselves and each other and life and beginning tour.

But it was really cool to get to do it together. So cool. Experience all that together. And now I feel like when we do hit those valleys or the hard seasons, it's like, okay, we've walked through so much. and our support system is just such a gift. And I feel like the Lord just knew exactly what we were going to need before he sent him on his career and the family that we have, the friends that we have,

the community. It's just been, I mean, it's been hard. Don't get me wrong, like lots of ups and downs, lots of counseling, lots of tears. But for the most part, I look back on our life. I'd truly see the hand of God. And I'm just, like, so grateful that he has allowed us to, like, partner with him

on this giant adventure of this life that we're like, wow, we didn't see that turn coming. Wow. And it's fun. It's amazing. It's so cool. It reminds me of Christian and I, because we were 21, 22 when we got married. And his parents really wanted him to wait until he graduated college for us to get married. But we were like, we don't want to wait because we want to, you know, we want to experience it together.

I wanted to move to Auburn to be with him so I could meet all his college friends. And like, we didn't want to miss that time being together. And so one day him and his mom were like having another conversation. about, you know, them wanting us to wait. And he said, mom, love can't wait. And that has become, like, that has become like a thing in the Hub family that they always love to bring up, that love can't wait. And I'm really glad he said that. He was not a play at cool person either. He was the, I love me more, texture. And so. I have a lot in common. Yeah. I appreciate that. And I'm so thankful because yeah it's it's a crazy ride but you're so thankful you have all those memories together

from such a young age um and so it's cool because you said that was kind of before your career really took off you were touring and stuff but but was it you know as big as i mean it surely wasn't as big as now but where were you kind of at with your career i mean lorne will tell you that she i don't think she thought i was going to make it well okay just in her defense because i've heard her say something similar and I was like, I think that's so funny. She's like, no, but let me clarify. I think he's the best of the best. It's not because he wasn't talented enough, but there's so much talent in Asheville and it's sometimes, not random. It's God given whenever it does kind of explode, but it's rare. Yeah. You watch a lot of people with talent. She believed in you. But I also didn't, I also didn't

think I was going to make it either. Like, honestly, like, my plan was like, all right, I just signed a record deal. And when you're, when you're 21, somebody dangles $50,000 in front of your face, you're like, I'm rich, you know what I mean? And I was like, I'll do this for a year, and then I'll probably fizzle out. And then I guess I'll go back to college and finish what's left of my communications degree, whatever that fully means. I'll work the night shift. And she'll be a nurse, and we'll have some kids, and we'll do the thing.

And so I genuinely had no plan beyond that year of touring. Wow. And was very fortunate to, I mean, to kind of go back to while we even shared a bunk in the first place. I mean, she was dead set on being a nurse. and in our premarital counseling, our counselor said, I think that y'all need to spend this whole first year of marriage fully together. And so, like, looking back at it now, like, I don't think I realized how much of a detour I was to the plan that she had. Does it make sense?

Yeah, yeah. The best detour ever. The best detour ever, for sure. But, like, looking back at it, like, I remember going to Knoxville, and she, I mean, she's stay away until 4 o'clock in the morning studying for the in-class. or whatever exam it is you've got to take to finish nursing school and how hard it was. I don't advise people to do. And so that whole first year, we learned a lot about each other that first year in marriage because I think I played

230 shows that year. Whoa. And so like- And you're still in nursing school. No, no, no. She was done at this point. You had finished at this point when I like got on that tour tour. When we got married, I'd finished school.

I was studying for the Inplex. Wow. When we got married. Yeah. So I was studying. Yeah. And then on the road. Yeah.

That's wild. But none of us ever really saw. I never saw me going past playing bars and clubs for 10 people. So what was the song? What was it like, or I guess, yeah, take us back to whenever it all exploded. Did you see it coming? So I remember I put a single out when I was 22 that did fine. And then I put another single out that did fine.

And in the music world, countries are a bit more forgiving, I think, than the pop world, but still, there's kind of like a limit, like a record label looks at you and goes, all right, man, that's kind of like two misses. So there was this massive pressure, right, to be like, all right, well, whatever the third single is, like if the third one doesn't work, I don't know, I don't know if we're going to keep going. And I remember my dad as a songwriter, was an artist in the 90s, and he sent me a song that I loved and I played it for her and she loved it and we recorded it. And it was a song called It Goes Like This. And it became my very first number one. and then he sent me another song

and then that became a number one song and then the song that you sang that was my, that was my first song I ever wrote that became a number one song. Oh, that's so cool. And so like out of the gate having kind of two misses but then three hits in a row which led me to my second record

and I put out this song called Crash and Burn that everybody in my immediate circle was like this is a career destroyer because it was not like looking back at it I can't believe that Contrari had played that song. Why was it so? Because it was just like a 50s do-op country song.

Like I'd never heard anything like it in my life. Chris Stapleton actually wrote that song, which is wild. But I knew that right after Crash and Burn, I had this song coming out called Die Happy Man. And everyone in my circle was like, we think this is a career-changing song for you. And I'm just sitting there going, that's just a love song.

You know what I mean? And so when that song came out, things started to really shift and change. And, you know, she was in the music video for that. And I think that's when the whole couple goals, relationship goals, hashtag things were going around. And we're just sitting here trying to like understand how do we even navigate this. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Because it went from literally like I was just opening for people and playing in clubs. All of a sudden we're talking about my first arena, you know, headlining tour. And, you know, we're at award shows and I'm winning these awards and giving speech and all the stuff. And it just like it felt like overnight, even though it was like a five-year transition. It felt like all the sudden no one knows who you are to all the sudden like you're up there. Well, you know his name was on the radio. I feel like we could still go out and do things. Yeah.

And then all of a sudden it was like, oh, every restaurant we go in. Yeah. He's getting stopped and we're not able to just walk down the street anymore. Yeah. It was. I remember when DiHapy Man came out and I was totally in that era because I was in high school with like the relationship goals. And I was telling Warren before this. such a vivid memory of my cousin. Well, she's my cousin now. She married into our family, but Brighton.

She was like my best friend in high school and Mary Kate. I don't know Mary Kate would remember this if you were there that day. And Brighton was like, oh my gosh, have you seen this music video? You know, Di Happy Man. And she was like, his wife Lauren is just so beautiful. And she like never wears makeup and she wears her hair in a bun all the time. And like she just thought you were like the coolest person. So I remember following Lauren and being like, oh, she is so cool. We really were so inspired by all this relationship. And it reminded us so much of our life because, like I said, you would, you all talk about going on like dates to Sonic. And you just live such a normal, like, small town lifestyle, which is really similar to how we live. And we thought it was really

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He was like, I'll do the videos because I was like, absolutely not. I told you before this. I just hate the spotlight. Like if it's a room full of people that I know that know my heart

and I know it are for me, I'm like, put me on a stage, tell me to do something crazy, I'll do anything. But it's not like a safe place for me. it is like totally out of my comfort zone, which, and for him, we couldn't be more opposite. He's been in every single talent show that's ever existed since we're little kids and

the lead in all the musicals, and it's just, we're so opposite. And so when he's like, come on, it'll be fine, I'm like, no, it won't. Like, you don't think it's fine. This is, like, not what I want to do. Did you think, though, doing it that it was going to be the success it was and it was going to make you so no no I remember after after it came out I remember texting my girlfriends and I was like I'm so mortified I was like how many people do you think are going to see this they're like uh well everybody who follows country music is going to see it I was like what

did I do and but about the same time I'm looking at him going like trying like really battling like resentment because I'm like you've drug me into this I know that I agreed to marry you. I didn't agree to, like, also join in on the shows. And people are like, well, will she come on stage and do this? Will she present this for you? Will she come on this interview? Can we talk to your wife?

I'm like, no, no, no. I'm not the performer here. You're the one who does this. And I don't remember the exact moment. But there are so many moments over time where I feel like the Lord was just, like, slowly, like, loosening my grip. over the control that I thought I had. And especially, like, out of my comfort zone where he was just like,

this is the last thing you want to do, but I've got so many plans. And, like, you're just going to have to trust me. And I felt like he really had just gone before me and everything that I had done up to that point. And I have just learned to just trust him. And if he's going to bring me somewhere, I know he's going to, like, hold my hand

and get me out on the other side. I may not be like totally unscathed, but it's always been worth it. And I think just looking back over our life, I'm like, he really does. Like, you know this in your brain. Like, especially if you grow up in church or growing up with a family who knows the Lord and loves Jesus. Like your brain knows the truth. Yeah.

Yeah. But it's one thing to like know truth and to be able to speak truth. Yeah. But to believe and walk in truth are two very different things. Yep. And that is the gift that I feel like. he is given both of us is pushing us out of our comfort zones in very different ways. And it's not what I wanted to do. But I see his faithfulness through all of it. And it truly does. I love

adrenaline, adventure. I'm like here for all of that. So it kind of felt like a little bit like a challenge or a dare of just like, yeah, well, you don't want to do it, but you're being asked to do it. And so that part has been fun for me, just like seeing where he takes it. It's cool. And he's taking it to places I never dreamed. We would be, I would be the family that we have, the life that we live now. I'm like truly, I told him just a few months ago, like through tears. I'm like, every dream I ever dreamed as a little girl. Like, it has already happened and come true. Like, I'm there. I'm living every bit of it. And I feel like so unbelievably grateful, even through all the tears and the hard moments. Like, he truly does just like pay attention to our hearts and wants to

care for us and wants to love us and show how much he loves us. And so even though I kind of went kicking and screaming a few times, it's just, it's been so beautiful. And it really has been a fun adventure for the most part. That's so cool. And that's so real. Like, that's life, you know? You don't ever really get somewhere that you're trying to go easy in the easy route. And I feel like that's what shapes you and molds you and makes you become who you are and deepens your faith. I feel like it's like actually so relatable to so many people, even though what y'all did isn't as relatable. You know, it's not everyone's a country music star and whatnot. But so many people get married and then their life ends up not being what they expected because maybe their husband has to move for a job

or the wife's job takes off. And then he's staying home and it's like doesn't really quite pan out the way that maybe one of them expected while another one's getting a dream that they had always dreamed of. And that can be like a hard thing to navigate. For you as your career is taking off, you're getting everything that you had been pursuing for so long, but it was so hard for her. How did you kind of just steward that within your marriage and your family, you know? Looking back, looking back at that period, I guess this would have been like almost a decade ago. And gosh, the things I've learned in 10 years is pretty wild. But I look back like, do you journal? Okay, I'm not a good journaler. I've got like 15 different, I'd rather,

I like getting the journal. You start it and then you move on. And I'll write, and I'll write like the date in my name and I'm like yes like yes but I've committed I have this one journal that I that my manager actually bought me on the front of the journal it says the best is yet to come I don't even know what it means but and so but it's so but it is so true and and I've committed I mean I've had this journal now for six years and it's still not completed but I was reading back through it and there are entries in there from eight years ago seven years ago and a buddy in our small group looked at me and said, man, you should read back through that journal and see the things that the Lord has answered. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Because you write stuff and you're just kind of like, and I feel like I've battled with the same thing my whole career. Like I've always been like, I was telling my therapist this other day because I had to draw out this timeline of my life. The earliest memory of your life to now and you had to put X beside the moments that you thought were pivotal for your life, whether it was for good or for bad, right? And so the very first memory I have of my life is being.

being four years old, and I'm wearing red cowboy boots, a diaper, and I've got a guitar on. And the photo itself is amazing because it's like it reminds me of like how I grew up. But then when you watch the home video of that photo, it's me singing Pickup, Man. And I've got my entire family standing around me. And the moment I'm done, you can hear people clapping and you can hear people saying, do another one, TR, do another one. And my therapist stopped me right there. He goes, let's talk about that moment.

And I was like, okay. He was like, so you've kind of been on the stage since you were like 19, but you've actually been on a version of a stage since you were four years old, right? And so like, I look through my life and I think about all the things that have kind of twisted me or made me like not the best person to be around. And it has always been either around affirmation or lack of affirmation. Does that make sense? Yeah, totally. And so like 2015, 2016 was the most affirmation I think I'd ever received in my life. And I really liked it.

You know what I'm saying? And so I look back at our life during that time, and I don't think I stewarded it very well, to be honest with you. I think I wanted to try some things better just to make her. It was all at the sake of making her happy. And this was back in the time when I thought I actually could make my wife happy. And there are moments, I think, that I can. But if I look at myself as the pure soul source of her happiness,

I'm going to always let her down for forever. You know what I'm saying? And so it has taken me. decade to truly learn that like both of our sources of happiness comes from here yeah you know what I'm saying like joy comes from the Lord and there are things that we can do for each other that bring each other joy but at the at the truest self of your life of your heart if you can't learn that that true joy comes from the Lord then you're always going to be searching for something that makes you happy that's right and so for me it was winning at all cost it was success at all cost you know and then fast forward a

year from then, that was when we were about to have our first child and adopt our first child and have our first biological. And I was the most spiritually unhealthy human being, like, publicly facing. I'm like, First Corinthians chapter, you know what I mean? All of this kind of stuff. But internally, I was dying. Like, I genuinely, I just liked what was happening so much that I think so much of me was being, like, sucked into the world so hard that it just kept pushing me and her like this. You know what I'm saying? And we have always said from day one, like, divorce is not an option. But the more you actually think about it, anything is actually an option if you let it become that.

You know what I'm saying? And so around 25, 26 years old, I would say that we were living somewhat of a day. I was living a double life. You know what I mean? Especially moving into adopting our first child and spending a year in Uganda. And she's, you know, five and six months pregnant. And I'm traveling, I'm playing a show in Arizona. and then I'm traveling back to Uganda,

and then I'm going to New York and I'm going back to Uganda. Like, I can never actually settle anywhere. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And I'm fast forwarding a lot. It genuinely was not until 2020 that I actually discovered bits and pieces

of who I actually was at my core without a microphone, without a stage, and without affirmation because it was the first time it had ever been taken away from me, if that makes any sense. Yep. So these last five years of my life,

I would say, Jesus has chiseled on my heart more in these last five years than I can ever fully remember. I'm not perfect. I'll never be perfect. But I would say like today, us looking at each other and being a married couple, I would say this is I'm living my most true self now. She always sort of has been. But gosh, it's just such a peaceful feeling. It's cool.

It's amazing. It's amazing. Truly, thank you for sharing that. I can relate so much to your story and everything you shared with. different aspects of my life. And it's really cool. Louis Giglio always says that he feels like, and he was kind of saying this in the sense of like preachers and pastors, but I think everyone probably has this. He was saying, I think, you know, you have like a couple just core life messages. Like, you know, Louis preaches on like four kind of central themes and all of his

sermons kind of go under these four themes that he feels like are like what God kind of burdened his heart for. And I think like Live Original is one of those for me. And I think, like, And I can think back to when I'm five years old and I was preaching on the countertop and my dad nicknamed me the original. And that's been like a life theme for me. But also one of the things that I've had to, you know, it's challenged me. You know, like live original, live who you were made to be. Be confident in that. Be authentic to that.

Like that's come with its own challenges that I've faced with like really living out my message. And it's super interesting that what God has been showing you and teaching you revolves around like where you're. happiness and joyous place. And die a happy man was like the song that made you guys so known. And then God like from that song, it was almost like your challenge with that message. And like, are you actually going to die a happy man? Are you going to die a happy woman? And is it going to be, you know, the mansion in Georgia or, you know, the sports car? No, it's actually going to be when your joy is found in the Lord. And it's like so cool how the Lord does that. And he weaves these stories and messages into your life and you spend your

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yourself, isn't that whenever you went to Uganda for the first time? Yeah, actually went to Haiti right as that Happy Man was coming out. He was doing the Today show and the late night show, and he had this whole week of promo doing like the big things that you do when songs are coming out and promoting things. And that was the week, coincidentally, that a nurse had a dress, dropped out of this trip to go to Haiti. And I had really been praying. I was like, I love supporting you.

I love being your wife and watching you do what I truly felt like you were created to do. But I also feel like there's more that I'm not stepping into. And so we've both been praying. He's like, well, let's figure out what that is. And a friend of mine on a whim was like, hey, my aunt has this organization. They're going to Haiti in a couple of weeks. and they just had a nurse dropout, and I think that you should go. And I was like, oh, man, like, that's such a tough week because that's like the biggest week of his season.

And I need to be there for him. And I'll never forget Tom Stratt looking at me. And he was like, I think you need to go. I think you should go. And I think this is exactly what we've been praying for. And I think you go and you fulfill that need to go, put the work to use that you work so hard for for years and nursing. Also, that was just a dream of mine was to travel and serve in any kind of way and in missions, especially. And so I went and I'd say this a lot, but I feel like truly when I went to Haiti the first time with Suzanne, who is the founder of Love One International, I watched Suzanne serve and love on these kids.

And we were around these kids and did this clinical that day and the kids that we were carrying. for just there was even a language barrier i mean only god but i remember being with this little boy and taking care of him and watching susan and my heart just like exploded that week and i feel like when people talk about meeting someone for the first time or like that love at first sight feeling like that's what i had when i was over there serving and i was like oh my gosh like this this is it like this is what my heart has been longing for and searching for. I feel like this is truly what I want to walk into. And so right about that time, that's when his career really started to skyrocket. And he kind of pulled me into that. And so then

my platform started growing right as I was getting on board with all things loved one and what Suzanne was doing in Haiti and Uganda. And it was really cool to watch the Lord provide in a lot of ways for the organization that we run through his career and what that could point back to. And so it was just like such a full circle moment. And yeah, and now our whole family is really involved. And we go to Africa, you know, a good bit of our life. And we took our kids and they love it now. And just I think they think it's kind of like going to Chattanooga.

They're like, when are we going to go back and hang out now? Africa. I'm like, well, Uganda is not just driving down chat, but it's really sweet. And it's been also just one of those like dream fulfilling moments where I'm like, wow, like he truly just went before us and took care of us. And that's been really cool to partner that where I feel like my passion is and partner it with his. And find a way where the two worlds can live together and support each other. And it's tough. It's tough. It's tough. navigating when both, because I thought once his career took off, I'm like, well, I'll just stay home and do things with the girls. And it still is kind of that way. Like what he does

takes precedent because it's a lot more planning that goes into tour and stuff like that. But that's been hard kind of navigating both of us, which I feel like y'all deal with that a lot too. So it's hard, but it's also good, I think, for your kids to watch you do hard things and be like, I love you and you are my priority, but also like the Lord has called me to this, and he is like the first priority. And I know that through him calling us to do things, like, he isn't like in taking care of us and giving mommy and daddy these dreams and us obeying him, he's taking care of you, even if we're not here or even if that's not what you want to be doing. And so that's been cool to watch our girls learn that alongside us.

They're so inspired by what you like. When they saw him sing, they're like, that's what my dad does. Or probably getting to go to Uganda was like the coolest thing for all to click, you know, for them. And Honey is the same way. Like she loves to record her own podcast at home. That's awesome. I'm not actually recording, but she's always talking and interviewing her Barbie dolls. And it's so great.

And it like makes you feel like, okay, you know, me going to work and doing this, like she sees the like the way that God made me and what. I love to do and all this is, and, like, she wants to imitate it. And, like, that's such a gift to get to see your kids. But one time Dr. Aman was on this podcast, and one of his advice to us, and I was like, this is so good. He was like, be a confident parent because he said, guilty parents raise confused kids. I was like, that is stuck with me. Isn't that so good?

Because, like, sometimes out of guilt for how busy you are, what you do, you come home, and then you parent out of guilt. And so you give them more than they need or you, you know, say so. sorry too much for what you're doing that you actually do feel called to or important. And he's like, be confident. If that's what you're going to do when you feel glad playing your life, go home and share with her how exciting your day was and what the podcast was like. And I really think that changed so much for me as a mom to feel confident enough to do that.

And then I've seen how Honey's responded. Like we've talked about whenever people come up and take pictures. And we were talking about how our kids have different reactions. Some like it and some don't. Honey loves it. She's always like, do you listen to my mommy's podcast? Yes. One time someone said they watched my TikTok video, she said, Mom, what was that?

I haven't heard that one before. I'm like, yeah, that's what, yeah, they're watching about when you're 41. Yeah, you know, I'm like, we're not going on TikTok, but it was just funny because it's sweet. I think that confidence has changed the way that they responded to what we do and stuff. And they're little, you know, we'll have a journey for sure. We all will. But I think some of those things are important to learn as you go. One thing that is really cool, because I remember Die Happy Man and the, shortly after whenever life changes came out and it was like that song was so cool because it was like

what y'all are going through and you're adopting and you're having a baby and it was so wild and I think it was like such a breath of fresh air for like even country music to have something that was just a real story and then you're watching y'all's lives on social media and a real family like how this plays out and how God's in it all like I just remember that thinking that is so cool that they're sharing their life with the world. And it's cool that you have continued to share your life with the world, but you also do live a private, chill, normal life. Can y'all speak a little bit just to finding that? I don't know that. I hate the word balance, because I feel like balance is such a hard thing to achieve and maybe not even always the accurate thing that we should even be striving for. But how have y'all come to a place in

your life where y'all are both, you know, doing what you feel called to do and raising a family and kind of carrying that both and. It's like, yes, the Lord's Clauses, we're doing this, but we're also so planted where we're at. There's some advice to people kind of living in that. Double. I remember whenever we started low and I had all the what-ifs. What if I fail? What if it isn't where I need to be? And looking back, I can see so clearly that God had his hand in the whole thing. Starting something new is exciting, but it's also very scary. And that's why I'm thankful for Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from mass.

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if you try to do both things at 100% all the time, you're just going to end up at 50% on both ends. And I think I tried to do it for really a long time. You know what I mean? Like I would try, like if I had to go on the road on the West Coast, like I remember there was a season where I would do my very best, like right off the stage on a Saturday night in Salt Lake City, I would try to get on a plane and land in Nashville

at 3 o'clock in the morning and think that I would. I could get up at six, get four kids ready for church, and pretend that I was having a great day. I was a zombie. Yep. And I remember doing that just multiple, multiple weeks in a row. And I'm not saying that it's bad to do that. I mean, because I do love getting home for church.

But, like, even just in the past, like, a couple weeks, I felt like I've had more confidence, really being able to express the things that I call them needs, maybe that I think I need. and so like I have been in this place in my life where like if I'm at work it's got to be 100% work like I can FaceTime the kids and all that kind of mess but like the thought of me trying to continue to separate myself and spread myself so thin to make work happy and also make my family happy then I'm just at I'm running at like a 20%

version of myself the hardest part for me I think is coming home and really learning how to disconnect from my job right? Because when you do anything in sort of entertainment, it is kind of a 24-7 career. You know what I mean? There's always an interview to do. There's always, I love my day-to-day manager, Harry, so much. But it's like, there's seven days a week where it's like, hey, buddy, you got 10 minutes for a few quick questions. And as you know, 10 minutes turns into an hour. And you're trying to make decisions for your life that you just genuinely don't know if you're able to do them or not. Yeah. And so, like, my biggest thing is like when I roll through the door, the phone has to go somewhere else.

You know what I mean? Because I My kids will look at me and be like daddy Yep You are on your phone too much And if a seven year old is telling you That's on your phone too much That's always a wake-up call

It's a very valid thing to witness And so like I think just being able to be transparent With what you feel like you need With each other It's the hardest thing to do in the world Because all we want to do is All I want to is make her happy

And so there's so many times in my life where I've sacrificed every bit of I'm exhausted but I'm gonna You know what I mean? I don't have the capacity, but yeah, let's host a baby shower. Or, which I love you. That's so real. Hey, Marne would host any of y'all's showers just so you know.

And she's working on it. But at some point, like you do, I think you just have to really get in the weeds with each other and be like, hey, this is what next week looks like, and this is what I think I need for that week. And vice versa. And so I really don't know that you can do five or six things at 100 percent. I think you're just going to be the last scoop of peanut butter in the jar. You're just trying to spread a little bit of a piece of bread. But I think it's every year we try to get better and better at that. And I feel so blessed to be in a position where – because when you're first starting out in any job, you kind of don't get to say no.

You know what I'm saying? You say yes to everything because if you don't do it, somebody else is going to do it. You know what I mean? And so I feel very blessed at this point in my career to be able to look at a calendar and be like, okay, I think that is going to work. That is not going to work because of X. Yeah. And so I think the more we can plan with each other

and the more we can get on the same page with like, all right, that week is going to be hard. I think just the transparency with what you need, I think is the best way that I know how to describe the balance. I totally agree. I think it's a day-to-day thing and week-to-week thing, you know, and it kind of goes back to like the how's your heart. How are you doing?

Are you good? And it's okay to say no, too. Yeah. I think we also, in that same vein, I think you want to say yes to all the things. And I can't remember where I read this or somebody said it, but saying yes to whatever your yes is, is saying no to everything else. And so in our life, that's his yes is no to family time for a bit. And that's okay because that's how jobs work. Like you don't bring your family to work.

but being able to separate the two is a challenge, I think, for both of us in just what we do, but even just saying no and not feeling like it's the end of the world if you can't do something. It's like this is the phase of life we're in, the stage of life,

especially with four littles. And I remember, I can remember years ago, I think we only had three at the time, but we were in worship and I'm like, okay, Lord, like I think my platform had like kind of hit its peak and people were asking us to do all these things and I'm like I will never forget John Eldridge teaching in one of his books like how he prays about all of their family decisions and and work decisions and he's like you pray about it and you start to learn

the Lord say yes do it or no don't and so I'm like okay we're going to start praying about all this I'm like Lord I'm ready I'm ready for the next yes the next thing you got for me like you've got me on this platform. I've got podcasting going on. I've done a book. Like, I can't wait for the next thing you have for me. And he so clearly was like, the things I have for you are under your roof right now. And like, that is where I have you next. And it was just like this moment of like total deflation of my pride. I was like, I know that we're going to do something crazy. Yeah. Because we had been on this wild ride. And he was like, actually, that's not where I'm calling you. And I think just to be okay with even the world being like, why wouldn't you take this deal?

Why wouldn't you start this thing? It's like, well, the Lord hasn't like released me to do that. Like, he very clearly was like, your girls are your priority, period. And if this doesn't fit into the life of you and your girls and you kind of holding the fort down at home while he has to go do some of this stuff, that's where I've got you. And you're just going to have to say no. But having that piece, I'll never forget growing up. My mom would always say if I was at a party in high school or something and she would, is like if you feel uncomfortable or you know you're going to get in trouble or you know it's not a good

idea, throw me under the bus. Like make me and dad the enemies. Like don't, you can blame, just blame us. Say, hey, I don't want to be grounded or hey, my mom, she's so lame. She's going to pick me up at 10.30 and I can't get away from it. But I always love that because it did take the pressure off me. I knew I had a choice to make the right choice but not feel like it was social suicide. And I feel the same about the Lord.

I'm like, and even people that aren't walking with Jesus, I'm so confident now to be like, I know you may not understand this, but the Lord has so clearly told me, like, this is not what he has for me right now. And I'm at peace knowing that it doesn't make sense to anybody, but if he said it, I know that it's for the best for me and my girls and for our marriage. And so I think that has brought so much peace to both of us. Even like with you, I remember you turning down some insane show deal. And he was like, I can't believe I just said no to that.

And he was like, but I felt like he told me not. to do it. I'm like, great. He will honor that. Even if you don't see it this side of heaven, I believe that he will honor that. And he did, a couple weeks later, was very clear about why he did that. And Thomas Strait was like, whoa, can you imagine if I had said yes and missed out on this opportunity or blessing or gift that the Lord is giving us? And so I think that's helped us balance a lot and truly take the pressure off our shoulders to have to make every decision. And like, is this good? Is it bad? Is this going to tank his career? Is it going to? And we just, don't think about it like that anymore.

It's the most freeing place to be. And when you lay your head down at night and you just have peace about what your tomorrow is going to look like based off of what you said yes or no to. And there's one of my favorite passages is Psalms 127. And it says, unless the Lord builds the house, the labor is labor in vain. And it says, eating the bread of anxious toil.

But he gives his beloved sleep. And I think that that is like such an accurate picture of what it looks like whenever you try to build the house and you're saying yes to everything. And you feel like you have to strive to, you know, just do it. because it'll be a win or it'll be a hit, and then you're anxious. Like, you don't, there's no peace in that.

But, like, when you let the Lord build the house, you say yes to the things you feel allowed to say yes to, you say no other things you feel to know of the things you feel to know to say led to. You let success be measured by your yes to the Lord. And then you have peace. He gives his beloved rest. And it's so true and it's so accurate. And it's so cool to hear you say that.

And I think it's cool, too, going back to you earlier saying, I hate the spotlight. I don't want to be in the spotlight. And then you actually, the Lord did something in your heart to go, I'm ready. Let's go. My cast, sign me up. And then you're like, Lord's like, hold on now. That's actually not it.

But you're willing to go, okay. Like you're just riding the wave, you know? You're following the spirit's prompting and leading. And I think when the world sees people like y'all have confidence to say no to things that maybe would make sense, but you're going to be with your family, they go, hmm, it's kind of like an axe when they people are looking at them and they don't really understand why they're doing what they're doing, but they go they must have been with Jesus because they're so different, you know? And that's certainly a marking on your life.

You know, you said this at the beginning of the podcast, when we talked about Rebo. You're talking about what a gift it is to meet your heroes and then be the same. You two are that and more. Like to meet you guys, get to know you guys and know your heart and who you are. It's such a gift and so refreshing to hear that you are the real deal, you know, that you're honest to say, I'm not perfect, not whatever, but like I'm pursuing the Lord wholeheartedly. We're doing what we're doing because God called us. We're raising our family. to know the Lord. And so it's been such a gift to get to know y'all more. Thank you to the live

audience for listening in. This has been so much fun and such a joy and I can't wait for people to hear it. Thank you so much. Thanks for having us. I feel the same about y'all's family, even just getting to be here and doing this and meeting all of y'all's people and friends and family is very much the same. It's very much the same. So thank y'all for having us. It's been a black. Y'all will be back. Duck hunting. Duck season, whenever that is. Thank you.