WHOA That's Good Podcast - We Mic'd Our Fights | Sadie Robertson Huff | Jason & Lauren Kennedy

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

Marriage is amazing, but let’s be real — it’s also hard sometimes. That’s one of the reasons Sadie loves hanging out with Jason & Lauren Scruggs Kennedy (The Kennedys podcast). They’ve decided to be super open about their marriage squabbles and struggles, inviting an audience in to (hopefully) help others and bring some encouragement along the way. Jason (former E! News host & entertainment journalist) says he wanted to learn how to actually validate and understand his wife’s feelings and reactions — not just brush them off — and figured the best way to de-stigmatize therapy for couples was to literally put mics on it and let everyone listen in. Jason and Lauren also spill the tea on how they first met and started dating long-distance. And Lauren and Sadie share some of their experiences giving birth to their first babies and how they were best able to find healing and recovery. This Episode of WHOA That's Good is Sponsored By: https://drinklmnt.com/whoa — Get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase! Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://trymiracle.com/WHOA and use the code WHOA to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. https://drinkag1.com/whoa — Try the new AG1 flavors and get a FREE Welcome Kit with your first order. Chapters: 01:44 How Jason & Lauren met & fell in love 16:10 Therap 20:02 How long they dated before being engaged 25:00 Infertility journey 45:00 Healing & recovery after Honey's birth 50:00 An honest podcast about their marriage Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up everybody? Happy Well, that's Good Wednesday. I hope you're having a great week, but it is about to get so much better because we have two of my favorite guests and your favorite guest back on the podcast. And I really don't say that lightly. The last time they were on was one of our biggest podcasts ever. No joke. I'm not even kidding. You're shaking your head. It's true. we have Jason and Lauren Kennedy back on the podcast. Welcome back, guys. Thank you, Sadie. Were you just gassing us up? Are those true statistics? I was literally not gassing you all up. That's a true statistic. That year, y'all were one of our top five of that year that y'all were on. It was probably Rini Kennedy, my mom, and Cheryl Scruggs, just refreshing over and over and over saying this one's amazing.

No, it was like, not only was it, this is my favorite type of podcast whenever they do well, because it's not just that it gets a lot of views or listens, it's the reshares, it's the comments, it's the things that people really took from it. Like, it was talked about for a long time, even after it was released. And ever since we're like, we have to have them back. People love them. And it's really impressive, too, because most of our top five every year are always, like, family episodes when I have, like, my parents on or my siblings or something.

and then it's always like one special guest and you guys broke the family mold so that's unbelievable I'm so glad that it resonated with people and it connected with all your amazing listeners so thank you for having us back we are truly honored to be here it's so easy to chat with you I'm so thankful well today's gonna be so fun one thing that people love the first time is just hearing about how y'all met and your relationship story and because it has been so long since you've been on we have a lot of new listeners and everybody loves a relationship story. Can y'all remind everyone just how the two of y'all met and how long y'all been married? What do you want to take on that? So I never know how to start. Hey, and you know, podcast listeners love the full story. So you don't have to,

you don't have to let Instagram caption this. Like, you can tell a story. Okay. Well, let it breathe, as they say in the business. It's a pretty wild story. It's, I love sharing this story because I love seeing people's visual reactions and hearing what their reactions are when we say it. So whenever it does come up once in a while to a newer group of people, it's cool because the conversation can just take on a life of its own. But long story long, I've been a TV host for like 16 years on e-news. Took a little break now back contributing to e-news. But I'll never forget, I was sitting at my desk, and I went on to TMZ.com. Probably could have been on a better website, but sometimes you get good, there's some good news on there, you know? And I saw a really sad

story. It said model loses arm and I in a plane accident by from like a plane propeller. And I'm thinking to myself, this, this is crazy. So I kind of put it in my brain. I kind of filed it away. and it became a big story. It grew overnight. How does something like this happen? Who did this happen to? Who is this Lauren Scruggs from Dallas, Texas? And we covered it on E quite frequently.

And then I said, I would love to interview Lauren about what happened. I reached out. There was some email or I think you had some like a caring bridge or something, one of those. It was like not a GoFundMe or anything, but it was like caring bridge to keep people updated on your progress. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I remember I emailed and I said, would love to interview Lauren, we'd love to meet Lauren. I know right now it's not the time, but when she's recovered and has some bandwidth to talk, let's do this. And never heard back. Hey, you guys shoot your shot. That's right. Never heard back. And then probably a year later, my co-host at the time and best friend,

Julianna Rancic said, Lauren Scruggs, remember that name? And I said, yeah, of course. Well, I'm going to interview her in Beverly Hills at the Peninsula Hotel. And then after, I'm going to bring her back to the Enews studio because we had to shoot the show that day. And I said, oh, my gosh, yeah, I can't wait to meet her. And what did Juliana say to you to get you to come back to the studio? Because you were still recovering. I mean, it hadn't even been a full year.

And there was, you know, physical transformations happening after surgeries and stuff. Do you remember? So, yeah, I didn't know him at all, obviously, before. And then... Ouch. Didn't watch. No, to like personally. Of course I knew you.

I don't think you, no, you said you didn't know. You didn't know too. I don't remember. Did you see the email he said? Was there a reason you didn't respond or had you just not seen it? I wasn't even like managing my own emails. I think it was, I don't know, someone took over. There was a blur for you.

So I don't, I was never even a part of like my emails or anything because there was so much going on. I think my best friend was handling it during that time. And because it, do you remember when you reached out? Yeah, shortly after the, yeah, shortly after the accident, which I mean, you were in the hospital for many weeks and she was, she was off the grid. So by the way, we have two children, 18 months and three, and they are downstairs. And thank you for being patient with the sounds coming. My 82-year-old mom is downstairs. She's visiting from Florida.

She's looking out for them. So there could be some background noise. It's not ideal on a podcast, but it is what it is. People, no, I have a four-year-old and a two-year-old and one on the way. And we've actually had Honey and Haven on the podcast. And I, like, went back and watched the episode because it was like when Honey turned three and Haven was turning one. And I'm like, I don't know if anybody else loved it, but I loved it. Like, you know, it's like 20 minutes of just nothingness.

but it was the greatest thing ever to me. Oh my gosh. I feel like every pair with them. Yeah. So we were, you know, getting ready to shoot the show. You came to the studio. Background is, so I, well, I'm going to show that detail, but I, so Juliana reached out. She actually found out she had breast cancer.

Weirdly, I met her at the fashion week before my accidents. My accident was in December. Wow. And we met. I don't think she was. I remember she was in like such a days and I learned that after because she just found out she had breast cancer but hadn't talked about it at all. And just like so briefly met in the hotel. And she later had a mastectomy and was in the hospital healing and just told Bill like, I need to reach out to that girl. She saw or she was watching an update on the TV. And she was like, I want to let her know she still has so much hope and so much life ahead. And so she was. So she was. reached out. I remember on Twitter and then we just started Skyping. That was kind of like the thing then. And she was really vulnerable with me about her experience with breast cancer.

And I feel like we just bonded really quickly. And so about a year, a little less than a year after that, she was like, can I do an interview with you and like sit down with you? And I was like, I would love that. And so after the interview, she was like, do you know Jason Kennedy? Like, y'all both love God and people. And I feel like you guys would just be really good. to know but like she was definitely trying to set us up but we didn't know that at the time and you you probably didn't want to mention it earlier i just noticed that a couple of minutes ago but you were kind of talking to a guy in your recovery like you're in therapy physical therapy essentially you had the hots for one of the baseball guys who was he was like recovering or

something we still don't know his name she won't she won't say no you met him oh i did yeah so i didn't realize that this just did one day i like okay got it he's like which face all now I'm like so I started rehab at the hospital and I would come home like crying every day or crying to go and my dad was like

why are you so upset to go and he came in with me he would usually just like I would just walk in myself and he'd like drop me off and he came in and he was like I just was like encouraging everyone but Everyone was just in like crazy circumstances and they really like sheltered me in the hospital because of the news. So like, and they also babyed me a lot.

And I was like, my dad was like, this is not for you because you just are the type. Your personality is like you need to be challenged and all this. So anyways, I went to at the time it was athlete's performance. Now I think it's exos, but it was like probably 20 minor major baseball and football players. like training for the upcoming season so they were like right in her wheelhouse yeah you're like I wasn't a sports guy good place to me no so it was like very healing for me because also I'm from Texas so I would just like go through the football with the guy like we would just do so many things and they just didn't care that I was missing in a hand or an eye and like they were amazing they like

planned a one year anniversary for me like oh that's so cool It was just so sweet. What a good dad, too, to, like, see that in you, that that was not the place you needed to be and move you. That's cool. Totally. So it was, anyways, there were, like, crushes that happened to. And so that was, I had a crush on this guy when I met him, so I wasn't even thinking about. If you were, I just have to shout out.

It's out. The news is broken. I'm going to go to IG after this and check his profile. I'll see what Carson's up to. Don't scroll. Don't scroll, Jason. Don't get into the tag photos. Oh, got it, got it, got it.

Listen, to everyone listening to this podcast, I would just highly encourage you to watch this on YouTube just for Jason's facial expressions. It's so great. She's getting a lot of side eyes. It's so great. She's getting a lot of side eyes over here with her crushes at physical therapy. Okay, fam, I know we're heading towards fall, but I'm not letting go summer just yet.

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If you don't like it, they'll refund your order, no questions asked. That's Drink Element, the R-I-N-K-L-L-M-T dot com slash woe. so she so she brings you to eat but it wasn't like in my mind it wasn't like she was trying to set us up juliana knew that i wanted to meet loren interview loren and you got to understand say you probably know this but a lot of viewers may not know when there's a big news story and you've got good morning america and today's show from katie kirk to all the major networks trying to get the big interview. They send gift baskets and they say, we'll fly you first class and we will put you in the nicest hotels and whatever you need, you know, they don't pay, but because that's, you know,

not broadcast standards and, you know, all that stuff, but they will take care of you. And Juliana really never did any of that. It was this really beautiful friendship. And you did a few other interviews, but Juliana, I think was one of your last. And I'm thankful that happened because when she came to the studio, I'll never forget it. I was like, hey, nice to meet you. Oh my gosh, really encouraged by her story. It wasn't this love at first sight thing, but I said, here are three things that I would love for, you know, you to do that I think you would enjoy. Go try an omelet at this place. I heard you, I had heard her dad likes watches. So check out this watch store. And then if you like hikes, don't go to the hike that everybody does in L.A.

Runyon Canyon. That thing is way too bougie. Go to Franklin Canyon. Here's my cell. If you have any questions and we to this day actually said what it was a Friday and I was with my mom in the studio and you were like if you want to go hiking I'm going hiking tomorrow with one of my best friends if you want to come just text me oh I was that overt it's been 12 years I am so southern and the fact that I'm not the type to like text a boy I don't know that's just like ingrained in me that is a southern thing she text me yeah because you like you know said if you're interested text. Got it.

So I was like... Well, she sent the text, ladies and gentlemen. And we still have that piece of paper framed in our house to this day in our office. And it's a really great reminder because we went on that hike and it was really, it was a beautiful day. And we, you know, it had exchanged numbers. We were talking. We were texting. We were FaceTiming here and there.

But nothing at that point in life made sense for me to date low, as we call it. Ryan did after. Oh yeah. My friend who was hiking with us after they left, he starts getting emotional. He's like dabbing his eyes. And he goes, I don't know, man. I feel like she'd be great for you. And I said, are you crying? You never really get emotional like this. And Ryan said, yes, she would be perfect for you. So the gears start turning a little bit. That's so sweet, actually. I was doing the Today Show at the time and hosting e-news. So every week I was flying back and forth from L.A. to New York to date someone in Texas makes there was no time whatsoever prayed about it um didn't want to make any fast decisions but it just we we just kept marinating in the relationship and you came out and visited one time and um i think we knew at that point that it felt right this was this was going to happen so uh that's awesome the rest is kind of history we've been married 10 years we've got our two little nuggets and we're you know it's funny because we were talking about this before we went live we could talk about it whenever you want but this is a season of life where I feel like we've

been arguing more than ever and we're in therapy and it's just hard with kids this age where you kind of just it's just them them and trying to navigate all that so I said let's just put on a microphone in a camera and record our therapy session like a real live therapy session with our therapist and it was um it's really good so we're we're obsessed and this is out there in the world yeah yep it's out there right now we got to listen was it your idea i feel like it was no well it wasn't no it was you oh i wanted to give you the credit for that we we're trying to figure out what do we do here because we she came from a therapy background her parents um your mother cheated on your dad.

They got divorced for seven years, begged your dad, hey, please, I made a mistake. She became a Christian like six months after their divorce. They quit their corporate jobs. They remarried to each other. And now they're marriage counselors. So therapy. That's so cool. Wow.

Crazy, right? Yeah. What a crazy story. Yeah. So Jeff and Cheryl are therapists. My parents are not therapists. Therapy wasn't a big thing in our family. So coming, like, coming into a family of marriage counselors and the idea of talking about your feelings and going deep, that was definitely foreign to me.

But it's been really healing and really beautiful. And the response has been really nice. And after just my accident, I feel like you just go through, I went through, like, so many different forms of therapy. Yeah. Depending on, like, what was happening, you know, in me. but yeah man that is so cool i did not know that about your story or that your parents are therapists and i love that you are talking about that we talk about that a lot on the show i actually just had my counselor on a couple weeks ago and kind of similar it's always funny whenever she

comes on because i know it's going to end up being like a therapy session and she's like so private and like she would never share any of my stuff but i share all my stuff you know so it's like so great to have her on and for people to see like what that dynamic looks like because it is so helpful for someone else to speak truth into your life and help you get to the place or the point that you really see the truth in your life like it's been so helpful for us Christian and I always talk about it because we've had our same counselor for premarital and then she's been our counselor throughout our whole marriage and she sees both of us but also like as individually and I'm always like I don't know where we would be without her.

Like, I'm so thankful for the ways that she's spoken to our life. But also, I just want to point out something before we get too far from it because I always tell people, like, I love memoir books because whenever you read a memoir, I feel like you learn so much more than you do from a book that has like step one, two, and three. But you can't necessarily like, like when someone says, what did you learn from that? You don't know exactly what to say, but you took so much from life experience. And one thing I do want to shout out about your story is even how you said, you were literally living in L.A. You're going from L.A. to New York, balancing that here's a girl who lives in Dallas.

It made no sense to date at the time. But yet you just kept marinating on the relationship. And then now y'all are married for 10 years, have two kids. And I think so many people, like that's such a good lesson in life to not just rule out something because it logistically doesn't seem like it's going to happen. Because I was talking to someone the other day. and he's an older guy he's been like really wanting to get married and settled down and me and Christian were having dinner with him and we were telling him about this awesome girl and it was just this thing where he's like but I mean how would that work like she lives here and I live here

and I'm like don't worry about how it's going to work just just go on a date or like call her like just start the conversation and he just could not get out of his head that she lives here and he live there and how that would work and what she does and what he does. And he literally just talked himself out of it and he never even reached out. And I was like, man, that, you know, obviously God has a good plan. You're not going to mess it up. But that could have been a big miss, you know, just because we talk ourselves out of things because it doesn't look like the logistics are there. So I love in y'all's story. It did not seem like doable, but you just made it happen. How long did y'all date before y'all actually got married?

married? I think a year before we got engaged. I told her a little line because I could tell she wanted to be engaged before you moved to California. And I posted a picture of like these clouds from the airplane and I said flying to New York, get ready to do the Today Show when in fact I was flying to Dallas to propose to her. So she thought that I was in New York. had my family there. All her friends had flown in. It was, it was amazing. And that was about

six months into the relationship. And I just wanted a year. A year. Sorry. Guys, I don't remember times. I'm really bad that too. I'm surprised. I don't remember times. I'm so bad with that stuff now. I barely remember what I did today and it's only noon. I do that too. And it's so funny because you say it so confidently. And that's six months. And that was a year. That's me and Christian. She remember his dates way better than me. No, I kind of don't. It was a year? Yeah.

More because people have asked that question so much and I like literally go back in my head and I'm like, what was happening? Otherwise, I would have no clue. Oh, I know with the six months. After we got engaged, we got married six months later. Is that accurate information? Oh, yeah. I think so.

Yeah, yeah. So I knew the six months had something to do with it. But I could tell after we were discussing, like, I didn't want her to move to LA, like leave her family, everything she's ever known, especially still in recovery from her accident, move to this, you know, big city and me not be all in, even though in my mind I knew I was all in. So I, you know, I tricked her and decided to propose there. And then six-ish months later, we get married. But I wanted to piggyback on what you were saying, Sadie, because we, I've talked to a lot of friends, like the friend that you were just talking about.

and how common is it that we get so far ahead and we don't even know like in the moment we forget like okay you're at dinner right now having this conversation and you don't even know what you're going to order for dinner right now and yet you're trying to plan five 10 years ahead how is this going to work how how how it's don't do that I feel like years past when you play the how game and you have no idea the opportunities the relationships job everything that you're missing out on um and I I just think that's a really good point because I run into people. We run into people like that all the time and I'm like, stop overthinking it.

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Go to trymiracle.com slash woe and use the code Woe to claim your free, three-piece towel set and save over 40% off. Again, that's tryemirical.com slash woe to treat yourself. It's a great reminder because it goes into so many different areas of our life. Like you try to plan for all of these things. And it's like, who do we think we are that we have that much control, you know, over like what life's going to look like and what's going to happen? Because you really just don't know.

Like one thing I did want to talk to you about, and this was, I don't think that we talked about this out all the last time y'all were on, was a little bit of your infertility journey and how you got to having your two kids because that's another thing. People always are like, okay, and then I'm going to have a baby a year in and then I'm going to blah.

And it's like you don't, you cannot plan that because like so much of it is out of your control. And so can y'all share a little bit of that journey? I think it's so cool that y'all are willing to talk about it. It's something that we just started talking about on this podcast. My sister actually shared her story and she had not opened up about it anywhere.

and she was like, okay, I think I'm ready to share the story and wanted to just have a safe place to do it. But it was so hard for her to do that and to overcome just sharing it. So I'm super thankful y'all are willing to even share that part of your story. I feel like it was funny because we didn't. Well, I think at the beginning of, or a few years after we were married, we're like, we could start trying now or whatever. And we just had that kind of mindset, but not like, I'm going to track my cycle. It wasn't ever really like that. And then I remember talking to my mom. I remember like what street I was on in Studio City and she was like, maybe you should just like go check yourself physically to see if there's anything that's like

keeping you from getting pregnant. But we weren't like desperate for it. We're like we want kids, but we like we have so much joy in our life and it'll only add to our joy. But like just we knew God knew when these kids if we could have any would come into our life. So and back story, my parents actually did they lived out here for several years and they did the one of the first forms of IVF with my sister and I so we're twins and wow so I feel like I just heard so much about IVF growing up and just with like no shame my mom like shared so much with us about it and the whole process so I was pretty familiar with it um but anyways we went to go get like physically checked and then we were like okay maybe we need to like do some things and um meet with some specialists

Yeah. But I feel like we both just really embraced the process. Like I feel like it was not this like might sound so crazy. I just think it was like not a stressful process for us because I feel like we found a doctor we trusted and connected with and just felt it just was so efficient and smooth and a good experience. And I put like boundaries on myself like I'm not going to Google anything. I'm going to trust this doctor. I'm. I'm not all for medicine if it were like my choice. But like medicine truly like helped save my life alongside obviously like the Lord ultimately is in control. But like there is such a place for it. And I remember reading a book actually, I think it was like pray big things. And she was talking about how forever she thought IVF or whatever was wrong. And she just got like such clarity from the Lord one day that it was the next step and that it was like, a gift that this is available and that we can use this to help have kids and she ended up

having triplets or whatever. But I remember reading that book and being like, it was like so clear to me. I was like, we're supposed to do this. And we started that process and they feel like we were just in it together. We involved our friends. Like our friend was a nurse five minutes away and she would come give me shots. And it just like made it really communal and great. And I feel like we just like really trusted the process and but it was hard i mean i remember that that shot story just was a tuesday at 7 p.m and we're in a parking lot and there were a lot of painful moments for you because i remember seeing it i'm like man this is this is wild what women have to go through just to get pregnant you know in high school it's like you can get pregnant be

careful you can get pregnant and it's it's very hard and i remember the first time i went in there to try to figure out, is it me? Is it her? Is it both of us? And even the little things, the doctor's like, where do you put yourself on? I'm like, well, in my pocket, he goes, do you realize every 10, 15 seconds, you know, there's radiation hitting that phone. There's a signal going there. That actually kills all of your sperm within seconds. Yeah. So, and now the numbers of people not being able to have kids are drastically skyrocketing. You can look up and do the research yourself and see. So the whole journey was eye opening. fascinating. It became abundantly clear to us that we were not going to be able to get pregnant

naturally. We were okay with that after we digested it and we started that journey and it was yeah, it was incredible and it worked and sometimes it doesn't work. We have a lot of friends going through it right now and it's so easy to get stressed out about it and you learn the right wrong things to say to people, like, just keep trying. Well, that doesn't help saying that to a woman whose body is being exhausted, you know? So it's been, yeah, it's really special. It's really private and personal. And for some reason, talking about it just became a natural response. And you did such a great job at making people feel like they were a part of the journey and I think ultimately really helped people. Well, it's cool because they were girls, friends of ours that we didn't even know

we're doing IVF and was it kind of during COVID time yeah I think so yeah you can you can come up don't ask me we're not good but dates yeah the time it was definitely during COVID because you weren't allowed you weren't like allowed to bring a guest up to the doctor oh yeah you're right you're right yeah but so I remember the first time we went like I went in to get something that I don't know what it was but I came down and you're like how did it go and you're recording me and I'm like kind of used to him just recording and so I didn't think think anything of it and then he posted it didn't think like didn't care anything and but it was because it wasn't like super intentional and then I remember us getting so many messages from women being like

oh my gosh thank you so much for sharing I just feel so much shame and I feel like a failure that I have to do this and I mean like so many it was so eye-opening and yeah it was like cool how that worked because we weren't even thinking oh so many people feel this way about this process it was just like naturally sharing and then that occurring and I truly think so much of that is because of my mom just being so open about it when I was a kid but also and it's just being such like a gift to have the opportunity to do that even though yeah it's like not always easy but I think perspective of like not minimizing that pain but you're in perspective of like I'm doing this for a reason and for me the most helpful is like bringing people around me I had a few friends

that were like a couple months ahead of me. And truly there were like three of them and they'd be like, okay, during this point for a week you'll kind of feel really bloated and like really tired and uncomfortable. And it was so nice to have just like friends in that journey. That's so cool.

Then you got overstimulated and we had to go to the ER. Like there were nights. There were definitely nights. So I know you say the process was like kind of, I just remember. I think sometimes it's easy as time passes to kind of show some of those memories,

but you are unbelievable. And now we have River Rhodes Kennedy, who is three years old. And fast forward a little bit, we were at a friend's birthday party, and I'll never forget it. We get home, and Lo's like, I haven't been feeling good.

I think I wanted you to have like a glass of wine or something, and you're like, I just haven't been feeling good. I'm like, for how long? Three weeks. What? So I go to CVS. She pees on the stage. thick and she's like I'm not pregnant and then she holds it up pregnant naturally what are we talking

about i feel like i kind of knew that night because i was like i had the exact same feelings i had with rib when i was at the beginning of that pregnancy and i was like oh my gosh because we didn't think that would happen we were told from multiple doctors and specialists that from california to Dallas that it wouldn't happen. And a lot of people didn't say that to us. We always wanted to have another child. I think going back to planning your life out, the plan was maybe another year or two down the road. But again, that's ridiculous. We're not planning anything. We're not running the ship. Wow. That is the coolest story. That's crazy. It's so cool. I love hearing your perspective because even just walking through this a little bit with my sister and hearing

just things that people have said to her and things that people post and whatnot, the whole talk about IVF has been like a really hard thing to process for her because there's just so many opinions. And I think it's super cool to hear a perspective from someone whose mom has such a beautiful perspective because it brought her her greatest joys in life. And you're like always grew up feeling like of course this is the biggest blessing like this is the avenue in which like god used for me to be here and so then for you to like have that perspective of it it's just so cool and how you were like i didn't want to google anything i didn't want to i just like trusted that this was the path that we were on this is the doctor that we have like that is just a really refreshing

perspective from your story that not a lot of people um have heard you know because a lot of people their perspective is like from Google or from Instagram or from people's opinions or some story that they heard. And so it's just like super cool that that was their perspective going in. And I love too that you looking back on it was like, oh, it's such a wonderful journey. And then Jason's like, yeah, but it was really hard because that's so just like pregnancy in general. I was talking to my doctor because I'm about to have our third. And we're, I have to have C-sections because of our first labor. We had like a really rare thing. And so anyways, I have to have C-sections. And I was like, what do you think about a V-BAC? Like I just started asking my daughter. He's like, I think you forgot.

Do I need to remind you like, you know, what happened? Copy. Yeah, copy. Sorry. I should have that lingo go. A little definition. Dr. Robertson over here. I know, right? Because a lot of people, you know, have C-Sexecisions. They have V-Backs. But like, I wasn't really remembering, oh, like, mine wasn't just a normal situation like obviously that would be not a good idea for us but it was just funny because I think you forgot and I was like I think I did and he was kind of reminding me of some things in the hospital and I was like oh yeah no let's just do a C-section never mind but it is funny how your brain like forgets because you're just so grateful for what pregnancy brought you and what labor brought you no matter how painful it was or crazy it was it's like

really cool how that happens to our brains when you think back What is up, y'all? This is Christian filling in for Sadie while she is on maternity leave. Summer's all about pushing harder, whether I'm hitting a morning workout, spending the day outside, or just trying to keep my energy up. Ag1 next gen has been my go-to for staying on top of everything. Sadie and I have trusted AG1 for years, and I am fully locked in with this next-gen upgrade. When I mix up that one scoop every morning, I can tell it's setting me up for success. easy, and I feel the boost in my energy and my focus. Plus, it's been like a secret weapon for my gut and immune health and recovery, which means I can go all out and still feel good

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worth $76 when you subscribe, including five AG1 travel packs, a shaker, canister, and a scoop that is drinkag1.com slash woe to get started today well I think during that process honestly I think a lot of it was I had been through like such a crazy recovery with my accident that yeah in your brain you're kind of like nothing could have been worse than that that nothing can be true yeah and but how supported I was during that process and I healed very well and was felt so so much community around me and the worst times and in great little, even like tiny celebrations that we would have all the time. And like, so in my mind, perspective, it wasn't like a huge deal, but I know that's like super

rare and weird. It's just, in my mind, it was a huge deal. Because I wasn't with her when she went through her first accident. Yeah. So to me, I'm totally just freaking out. And we had a similar, I don't know your birth story. I apologize if you've shared that before. But I, you know, being at the hospital and River, we were going to do natural birth.

It didn't work out after 24 hours. And then we get to the hospital. And he's got the cord wrapped around him. He's decelerating, I believe, was the word. And then, you know, then they're like, we have to do an emergency C-section. And then, like, 20 doctors come in. And after all that- doing a C-section.

Yeah. And we ended up doing, like, vacuum. But then our doctor literally, like, stuck his hands up my area and just pulled river out. And I was like, thank you. You could, like, see that I didn't want to do, I knew what emergency emergency C-section was my brain. Because you're already like that, hey, look, this podcast, they heard it. I came on and told my birth story right after.

I was like, one-to-the-vades story. No, that, seriously, I think I've said on this podcast before because I was telling my birth story. And similarly, like, we probably should have gone to the emergency C-section, but it was like, it's that moment where if you like you're kind of too far in it like you have to yeah like you have to yeah like you have to and they started pushing on my abdomen it was the most painful thing but I was like I was just it was so crazy because it pushed me down everything's crazy and I've said on this podcast before I was like I felt like a deer in the wild like you know like videos of like deer's having babies like it was like it was like so crazy so that was not too far just to assure you um it's been

said on here before but that's a panic moment and you don't know because that was your first was my first so i didn't i knew this is not right but i didn't know how bad it was till later no same i like so we went in for a check-in with our doctor you know whenever you're going for the first check-in and or maybe it was like a year late i don't know whatever we were talking to we were with our doctor at some point and he was like i will never get that out of my brain like the trauma of that birth and I was like, what? And just was like, same man. And I literally was like, wait. Oh, that was, that was a crazy. That's when it wakes you up. Yeah. When the nurses are like, I was so scared. Like the, I didn't realize my mom did because my mom was in the room and my mom had

been in my sister's births and they like went really easy. Not easy, but like they went right. They went the way they're supposed to go. And so my mom knew like this is not good. And so she almost passed out like she had to go into the back of the room. And they were, you. you know, then they were worried about her and she didn't want them to like worry about her. So are you going to pass out? She said, she said, no, I'm just praying. But she was actually going to say out. But she was like trying to like your head.

She's like, yeah, I'm just praying. I'm just praying. She's like, I'm praying, meditating. She actually was probably praying too, but she was going to pass out. But anyways, it was like the next day when the nurses started telling me like how scary that was. And they like still talk about it. I was up there the other day and I like saw all our nurses. and they're just like, oh, that first one, I'm so glad you're doing it.

And it's so crazy because then you're like, whoa, that's wild. Like, I didn't even realize. But it's amazing because then, and I've had people say to me like, oh, I'm just scared like, what happened to you is going to me? I'm like, no, I would never want anyone to be scared of going into labor. Yes, I never want my story to scare you because I'm not scared. Like, I'm having our third, you know, like you went on to have another. It doesn't make you not want to do it again.

Because God was there and with you. And obviously, like, part of the beauty is you didn't know it was going to happen. It just happened. And then they took care of it. And, you know, you carry on. And so it's amazing. Like, you look back at those things and you do not have the same memories as what actually happened. You just remember it.

That's how your baby got here. Well, I remember, too, like, all the, there were, like, so many people in the room because they're, like, preparing for the birth and just if there was any emergency with, like, river or whatever. and everyone was cheering every time I pushed. Do you remember that? Heck yeah, I remember it. And it was like, so incredible. Like, I literally was like. That was the greatest moment ever and also the scariest.

But in the push, like, everyone just coming on side of you and just like supporting. You're like, that like makes me like tear up. It was so amazing. It is so amazing. And then you like, the connection that you form with each other with your partner after going through birth is why. I remember just months, year, however long after, and it's like, you're like the big teddy bear and you're like, oh, and if we could only have that continue forever in marriage, but yes, there's the ups and the downs, but sometimes it's cool to even, I was thinking about that as we were

talking about it, going back to how almost territorial and protective you get, and it's a fresh reminder. And that was cool for me to hear again. Yeah. If there's a, or maybe if there's like a thing you can't get past or just you're like, you know, having little silly minor arguments, maybe you should just sit together if you had a really meaningful birth and just reflect on your birth. Seriously, Christian and I did that one time because, um, so after Honey was born, it was like this amazing moment because, um, the song. million little miracles was playing in the background and it was just so cool because she started breathing on her own and she like was her shoulder was supposed to be broken because she had

shoulder to so when the doctor went to get her out like he realized what was happening which is called shoulder to socia and they couldn't get her out and eventually the doctor has to break the collarbone so the baby can come out so I of course didn't know that was happening but that was what was happening and it was just so crazy because the song is playing and they're telling me like she's breathing on her own and like they're like and her shoulder's not broken and they're just like they're so amazed like they can't believe what's happening and the song's playing and it's like so crazy um and of course i didn't really understand that in fullness until later but i do remember the song playing and i do remember that giving me so much peace because i knew god was doing a miracle

And what's crazy is that, you know, it's so interesting because when you think about miracles and you know this so well because you have survived something so wild, it's like you always, you know, when you're young, you're like, oh, I want a miracle, I want to see a miracle, want to see a miracle. Then when you're older, you realize in order to see a miracle, you have to go through a moment of desperation. And actually to see a miracle, you have to go through something like really hard because it's when you can't. do something like you need the god of the impossible to intervene in your life so miracles can kind of be like heavy and so that was our first encounter with that and even though it was so special something about it just scared me for a long time and so I could not listen to that song which is crazy because you would think that would be like so sweet but I just could not listen to it because it would make me kind of go back to that place because you know you hear the you know the beeping of the thing

Like it was like all the little details that I could just tell something was going wrong. So it kind of made me anxious. So we didn't listen to it. Then a couple months into postpartum, that was like our hardest season in not even really just our marriage, but just for me and my life because I had just gone through like postpartum anxiety and all this stuff that I did not expect to go through, you know? And one day, Christian's like, let's listen to the song. And we just sat on the bed with our little newborn and listened to the song.

and we just cried and, like, hugged each other. And it was one of the most powerful moments of our marriage, you know, because we went through something together that bonded us so deeply. And it's so cool now because Honey's four. And that's one of her favorite songs. And so, like, she sings it to us, and she'll sing it at night. And she asked me to sing it, like, every night. And, of course, it's, like, my greatest joy.

And it's just so cool, like, what you go through as a couple. and, yeah, those moments. It doesn't matter what you go through in a day when your four-year-old starts singing Million Little Miracles, the song you both cried to, like, you're good, you know? That's incredible. Good perspective. Good perspective, for sure.

I do want to ask y'all, because you mentioned, like, this is a crazy season. You have two little bitties. Y'all both are, like, powerhouses doing a million different things, starting all these different things and very driven people. And I love how you're like, hey, it's hard. Like, marriage is hard. bringing counselors in, give us a little bit more insight to that because I'm sure so many people

listening are like, uh, I need that therapist. Book club on Monday. Gym on Tuesday. Date night on Wednesday. Out on the town on Thursday. Quiet night in on Friday. It's good to have a routine. And it's good for your eyes too.

Because with regular comprehensive. eye exams at Specsavers, you'll know just how healthy they are. Visit Spexavers.caver's to book your next eye exam, eye exams provided by independent optometrists. Yeah, I think there's a stigma that if you fight or you argue in your relationship, it's, you know, it could be awkward or it's not supposed to be that way. And obviously, every relationship is different for us. We just have found ourselves arguing more than ever, little things. And then we do this thing where we'll be arguing about something and it has nothing to do with what's happening in that moment.

It has to do with an issue that was unresolved over a year ago. Yep. You know, how she didn't feel like I was there for her during the second pregnancy to help move things in the closet or, you know, and in my head I was like trying to work really hard so that we could support, you know, our daughter who was getting ready to come into the world in the middle of a TV business that's constantly changing. And, you know, I have my side. She has her side. But how do we come together? How do I not try to win an argument and just actually have a conversation? And validate. And validate. What does validation mean? How do you validate your

spouse? If I hear the word validate one more time, I'm going to lose my mind, right? But I have to go, no, this is important for her. So how do I do that? So I said, let's put the mics, mics and cameras on we have never done any sort of you know we've toyed with the idea of doing a podcast um most people probably know that the success of your podcast is unbelievably rare podcasts or a dime a dozen these days so i think i'm like what if no one likes it and i'm like stop doing it for other people do it for yourself it actually might be helpful so we did and i was reading some of the comments you know how comments can be wild wild west on the comments section, I would say 99% of the comments were like, wow, this is really helpful and we're

thankful that you decided to do this. So we definitely will do more. But in a nutshell, the wisdom we got from our therapist and just other parents who have children is, yeah, this obviously is the hardest season of your life. It's not always going to be like this because of the ages of your children. There's multiple factors, but I, I've learned a lot, and I'm glad that other people have as well. No, I feel like generally in my life, I think with women and just friends specifically that have kids, it more feels like we are, like we want to approach things that are harder and work on them and deal with them and figure out wisdom and talk to other women and like do those kinds of things.

I feel like men generally, I'm saying this in such a general way, but like I have to almost like learn that skill and it's not like as instinctual for them. Even to like go get counseling might seem a little scarier or like you just don't want to deal with certain things and uncover certain things. And I think that women like carry so much,

what is it called like households? Like the load, like the mental load for. like the home and like we think so differently as to what's important to us having a family and how our home is even like situate like certain cleanliness or whatever it might be and like men just have different desires and I think realizing like both are okay but learning how to communicate and actually try to understand how that person feels even if it's not how you would feel yeah but being like that's so real to you and like how can I be better I remember you've been telling me, oh, sorry, something that I did that, like, frustrated you. And I was

like, thank you for telling me this, because I would never assume that would frustrate you, even though I, like, know you inside and out. But that helps me so much to understand that, you know, you feel like I was just being aloof or something. And I'm like, no, it actually just, it's like my personality. I'm just so chill, but I'll, like, get stuff done. Like, it's an interesting combination. But it's like, when you hear you. hear the other person's perspective and it's just like clear open communication you go into it without like feeling offended or whatever but for the common goal of growing as a couple and understanding each other better and like even I don't know it just makes your relationship so

different yeah and like so much deeper and well I think that's so needed like I know podcasting is there's everybody has podcast seems like it's hard to like hit but at the same time it's so needed because long-form conversation, it teaches people so much. You know, I think so many people are used to like a TikTok or YouTube or they're following all these little influencers or not YouTube. I should have said like Instagram Reels and TikTok like these short-form things. And they follow these influencers and they like are inspired by their lives. But to get to like you, like you can't learn that much.

You know, you can learn like how to make your macha, you know, or how to do this or like little things. Get ready with me. You don't get a glimpse into like, no way. do you overcome an argument? And even if you like read a great caption, you're still not seeing two people actually walk through an argument. And I think that's the beautiful thing about like podcasting and long form conversations. That's one of my favorite things I get told when people, you know, talk about this podcast is they always say, I love when your mom's on because I didn't like have a mom

or maybe I didn't have like a Christian mom or I didn't have like good women, godly examples. And so I learned so much from her or like I learned so much from your grandma. all or your friendships and how you operate in them. It's like they're really back to that kind of memoir thing. They're learning from just real time conversations. A lot of people don't even know how to have intentional conversations. You know, you're so used to just like, how's the weather? What'd you do today? What'd you have for lunch? And it's like not that there's anything wrong with that, but they don't know how to go deep. And you learn that through listening to others, through listening to intentional conversations and how people listen and how people overcome whenever someone

sitting across them is different than them, but they still respect them enough to learn from them and listen. So I think what y'all are doing is so important. I mean, to get to, to give the gift to people to look into a marriage and, like, see what those conversations look like and those arguments and then hear accounts or speak into it and you guys receive it. And like, that's huge. That is so inspiring and so good and so needed. So I definitely hope you keep doing it. And I think that one name you should throw in the hat for this. Yeah, help us. We need help with names. I mean, you said it when you said, if I hear validate again, but that's kind of what validate, like, validate me. It's like, that's validate me. Or no, if I hear validate again. Is that what you think?

Validate again. I thought that was funny. Like, if I hear validated again or validate, validated or something, because it's like everything you're saying is valid. I see what you're saying and I want to learn from it. And I care about you enough to like hear what you're saying. Like, that's a valid point. Like, y'all are validating each other. And that's what the podcast kind of is. So I'm just throwing that out there. When I love that.

It sticks. I received that. I love it. Thank you. That's actually great. I really like that. I actually was like, this, this is it. I think this is this good.

Wait, I'm upset. We could be on to something here. Do you have like copyright fee? No copyright fee. Hey, you heard it here first. All of our Well, That's Good listeners will be listening to Validated. They'll be like, was there when this started and so that all that I care about is that I was a part of this conversation

and I'm blessed by it but I know seriously I could talk to you all day long an hour flies by with you guys thank you all so much for coming on the podcast again being just so authentically yourselves you're such an inspiration to so many and for all of our listeners get ready for their new podcast may or may not be called validate um you should also go back and listen to the one they already did. And we'll link in the show at some of the other cool things that y'all are up to. Even Lauren mentioned the cleanliness of her house. And I know you have a whole brand of wipes and different things that will make sure to link. But you guys are awesome. And we're super grateful for you coming back on the Well, that's Good podcast.

Sadie, we love you so much. You're always so easy and a joy to talk to. And great to see you always. Hopefully it's in person soon. Yes, that would be great. Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah.