WHOA That's Good Podcast - Why Delusional Confidence Is Actually Necessary Sometimes | Shawn Johnson & Andrew East

Episode Date: September 4, 2024

Sadie and Christian couldn't be more excited to welcome back Shawn Johnson and Andrew East to hear about their adventures at the Paris Olympics, tales of traveling with kids, and why delusional confidence is actually necessary for many things in life. Shawn and Andrew explain why they share what they do on social media - including how they involve their children. Christian contemplates becoming an influencer like Andrew.  This Episode of WHOA That's Good is Sponsored by: https://sadiepens.com — Stock up on Mr. Pen Bible journaling supplies today! Get 25% OFF your Abide premium subscription! But ONLY if you text WHOA to 22433. https://drinkag1.com/whoa — Get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first subscription! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Terms and conditions apply. What's up, friends? Happy Wednesday, everybody. I hope you're having a great week. But per usual, it is about to get so much better because I have some amazing guests on the podcast this week. We have Christian on the podcast, which I know everyone's excited for,

but maybe a little bit more excited, no offense, babe. Definitely more excited. We have Sean and Andrew Ease back on the podcast. It's been a very long time since y'all were on the podcast, so welcome back, guys. Thanks for having us. Good to be back. We're such good, such big fans of you guys.

I know. Hey, right back at ya. We're such big fans of you guys. I know. Hey, right back at ya. We're such big fans of y'all. Oh, by the way, this morning Christian realized something he was a little offended by. Would you like to share? Oh, yeah, I've never been on your podcast. Well, you have definitely been on my podcast,

so I don't know how I feel offended. Yes, that's how we first met. You were on Redirected, dude. Christian. And we interviewed you guys. I feel offended. Yes. That's how we first met you were on redirected dude And we interviewed you guys I don't think I've never been on I don't think I've ever been on a couple things yeah you If I was it was four years ago, which we you looked this morning and said it was four years so Pardon me for a lot happy Four years ago. So pardon me for a lot happening the last four years.

He was so offended and he's actually been on it. That is it. That was like, one over verse. Now they're offended. I just don't, I don't have any recollection of that. I've interviewed you not once, but twice. No, our interview was so bad, babe. He can't even remember it.

Actually, I distinctly remember our interview because we had to just come up with a collage of pictures of you two because there wasn't video of either of us, I don't think. So it was just Christian and Sae and Carissa. Do you still do a podcast called Redirected? Occasionally. We do a couple of things way more.

That is so funny. OK, we can cut all this out. No, we're not cutting this out. This is fantastic. That is so funny. Well, it is true though. If you don't know someone and you do an interview and then you get to know them later,

you kind of forget about the before time because it's a different person almost because now you are such good friends. Yeah, that's true. But you didn't know him at the time. No, and yeah. And if that was four years ago, yeah, I don't really remember.

Four years ago was a little long away. We've done a lot of squats and sauna sessions since then. I will say too, pre-kids is so hard to remember. It's true. Thank you, Sean. Memories before children are so difficult. I agree. I agree.

That's actually true. I agree. Okay, so no one's offended. No, I apologize. You can no longer be offended because you were, and hopefully y'all aren't offended that he has no memory. Not at all. I love it.

That is hilarious. Now we all gotta go back and listen. But we are so thrilled to have y'all on the podcast because you guys were on my podcast whenever it kind of was getting started. And so that's crazy that we're years, yeah, years have gone by since then too. So we want to catch up on all the things,

but you also just had a really fun life experience. You guys were just at the Paris Olympics. So tell us about how it was. We were, it was actually amazing. We didn't know what to expect. We tried to just set as low of expectations as possible, traveling to three different countries with three babies over the course of three and a half weeks.

And it actually was one of the greatest experiences we've ever had. The kids thrived. We got to experience the Olympics on a smaller scale, which was great, but We got to experience the Olympics on a smaller scale, which was great, but also got to experience Paris and London and Italy and truly just have wonderful family time, which is really, really special.

Yeah, it was really fun. We took a couple trips this summer. Paris was one of them. And right before Paris, we took an RV trip, which I had to convince Sean of. It took me months to work that up. And so we took three nights took an RV trip, which I had to convince Sean of. It took me like months to work that up. And so we took three nights in an RV and it was actually a really helpful perspective shift

for us because the whole thing is over, like when you travel with kids for the first time and there's always a first time, like, okay, this is our first time on a road trip. This is our first time in a plane. Every time you have a first, it feels overwhelming. But for us, I feel like on that road trip, this is our first time in a plane. Every time you have a first, it feels overwhelming. But for us, I feel like on that RV trip, it was a perspective shift of like, oh, we're

going to switch from feeling overwhelmed to feeling this is part of the adventure. And so rolling into Paris, that's kind of how we were approaching it, whereas, hey, things are going to go not as planned, and that's all part of the experience. So it was good. That is really good perspective.

So you know how everyone says, I feel like when you have kids, you're like, everything changes. And a lot of people think that I got to get my travel out of the way before I have kids, or I got to do my things. You guys were, y'all had busy schedules before kids. Y'all obviously lived really cool and exciting lives, with Sean being a gymnast, and Andrew playing football football and all the different things that y'all did and then Having kids did y'all think it was gonna change your life and in the sense of you thought maybe you would be done with all the crazy

Stuff and the traveling or did you always feel like when we have kids they're coming along for the ride. I Distinctly remember right before we had kids and we like got pregnant Everybody a lot of majority people around us said your life is going to change, get your travel in now, your social life is over, all those things people say. But I distinctly remember having a conversation. Andrew was playing for the Chiefs at the time. I had made really, really good friends with this girl,

her name's Amy, and they had had babies and they had been traveling and bouncing around the NFL. And I remember her being such a believer, one, so like speaking into it, and then two, telling me over and over and over again, she said, your life with babies is whatever you wanna make it. She said, you can travel,

you can have a crazier social life, you can do whatever you want to make it. She said, you can travel, you can have a crazier social life. You can do whatever you want. You can bring your babies with you. And she had shared with me all these trips she had taken with her kids. And she said, it's a lot of work, but our life never stopped. It actually got better.

And I will never forget her saying that, because it was the first time someone actually made it sound encouraging And fun and like it's better on the other side and we kind of ran with that and we have traveled with all of our kids From the time they turn probably six weeks old. Yeah, they've been on multiple international trips mission trips They have seen a lot of the world and it has been They have seen a lot of the worlds and it has been better than before. My definition of a successful vacation or trip is when you go to a new city or new place and you just experience that with all its glory.

I'm talking museums, you just burn it out. You try to get out on town as much as possible. And I actually, reflecting on how we used to travel, just Sean and I, we would kick back and chill. We'd hang in the hotel room until like 10, then go get breakfast. And now with kids, I feel like we are way more outgoing. We experience way more because you kind of have to,

I feel like, in some ways with kids. It's like, okay, we need to have an activity. And so we're like more intentional with scheduling and we actually, I think, pack our schedule with more things. So the vacation in some ways, no, we need to have an activity. And so we're like more intentional with scheduling and we actually, I think pack our schedule with more things. So the vacation in some ways, no, in a lot of ways gets enhanced. That's good. I agree. I totally agree.

We've had the same experience. It's only gotten better. And yes, there are so many times where it's like, this is crazy and chaotic and all the things are like, our first trip with Honey, I'll never forget. Like our very first. So you know, you're gearing up the first time too. You're already nervous and like

the anticipating what it's gonna be like. And we were flying to LA. And so it was like a three and a half hour plane ride. So it was a decent, you know, first time plane ride. And we had two, we had a connecting flight too. So the first one, Monroe to Dallas, easy. All things good. I'm like, okay, we can do this.

We got this. Then we get in the plane to go to LA and it was like on takeoff. We're just starting to go up in the air. She has a blowout and I'm like, oh no. Okay, here we go. Then the screaming starts. And then the screaming never stopped.

I think it was two hours in. It was two hours. I was like, I did not know what to do. I went to the back of the plane and I was in the bathroom with her and I was like singing to her and all the things. And I was just thinking, I'll just stay in the bathroom. So I think I stayed in that bathroom for probably 45 minutes,

which is not a place you want to stay for 45 minutes, a plane bathroom. So I'm singing to her, trying to calm her. And then Christian comes and knocks on the door, and he's like, let's switch. I'm like, thank you. So then I go sit in my seat, and all of a sudden, I'm just mortified, because I realized

that people could hear me the entire time. Because I could hear everything that we're doing. Sadie thought she was being incognito. I thought I was like, okay, I'll take one for the team, I'll hide. First of all, they could hear her crying. Second of all, everyone could hear me singing. And you're, yeah, you're using the bathroom.

What if someone had to go to the bathroom? Oh, I know, it was bad, I know. That was so bad. But it's only gotten better from there. But there's still those moments. I think there's been at least three times I can think of blowouts on the plane and walking to the back with poop all over me

and the kid and you're just like, ah, here we are. Yeah, well then people are judging you on the plane and it's all the different things. You have that, but it's also like really fun and funny and those are what create those memories. And then I agree, like we used to be super chill on vacations and stuff and now you look for more fun things to do

because you want the kids to have that experience and you get to have that experience. So we totally agree. And I feel like too, even with like the sleep and all that stuff, people always tell us like, how are your kids like, they're just down for the hang because we'll be at conferences and they'll be like in the fun.

And I think it's because we travel so much, they're used to it, they're able to like adapt. So I think, yeah, it is what you make it. And they're gonna go with how you teach them to go and how you go and how they see you guys do it. And so we've experienced the same thing, which has been really cool. I like that technique, Sadie,

like for the people on the plane, it's like you thought the crying baby was a problem. Just wait till I slap some acapella karaoke on top of this. Exactly. And now we got it. Exactly. It was so funny. I remember like everyone in the back of that plane

being like at the end of the plane being like, good job guys. It was so bad that it was past the judgment phase. It was like, y'all did it. You made it. We all made it together. Okay, so realistically, what were the highs and lows with kids in Paris?

Do y'all have any like, this was the best part about bringing your kids and this was maybe the hardest part. Well, I was laughing because on Andrew's reel, it had like one mine briefly lost by a mom. Yeah. I thought that was the funniest little like, you know, insert it in the middle.

I thought that was hilarious. It was the highs and lows. Oh, yeah. I would say, so up until the flight to Paris, we had like a good streak with three kids, probably like a hundred, not hundreds, but like a lot of flights. And we had never had like that flight yet.

And that was our flight on the way to Paris for eight hours, Sadie. Ooh. Our baby Bear was cutting teeth. And we went in with the mindset, Our baby bear was cutting teeth. And we went in with the mindset like bear will be the easy one just being the baby, he'll sleep overnight. He'll be so tired. He'll just fall asleep the whole plane ride.

I said, I don't know about the big kids. They might not sleep, but like we can figure that out. No, no, no, no, no, no. It was the opposite. Big kids were great. Baby bear cutting teeth, over tired. He got so over tired, screamed at the top of his lungs for a solid three hours, at least.

And it was an overnight flight. So everyone's trying to sleep. The lights are dimmed. That was definitely the low. That was the low. Sean and I were sitting next to each other trying to like share the load, but it got so, you know, it's stressful.

There's just noise and the baby's squirming. And, you know, I'd be like, hey, Sean, let me have a turnstile. Don't talk to me. Talk to me and don't touch me. I just, we're doing this. We're going to figure this out. And this poor little guy, you guy, it's so sad.

They're so miserable and there's nothing you can do, especially when you get them overtired. And I was just like, you know what? At some point, I should have just embraced, we're gonna play for eight hours overnight and have a rager instead of trying to force this little man to sleep. That was definitely the low.

like try to force this little man to sleep. That was definitely the low. We also had like a small low where our two year old got croup in Paris. So like trying to figure out the healthcare system there was a little bit difficult, but we figured it out. Also lost a passport, which is not ideal internationally. Oh my gosh. But we figured it out.

Honestly, the good part about that is it wasn't as stressful as I thought it. To me, that's one of the worst case scenarios in life. You're overseas. You lose a passport. But it was great. The people at the airport and the US consulate were very accommodating.

So thank goodness. I feel like our parents your entire life enforcing you that that is the worst case scenario. Do not lose this passport. Hang on to this with your life. It goes right back into dad's hands as soon as you scan it. So yeah, I guess now when you're an adult, you're like, the worst case scenario is I lose my passport.

Like, you still have that fear and grain. But it's so true. We've had that feeling going overseas where I remember we were nervous to go to Italy because one of the kids gets sick. And you really do. You figure it out. You know?

There's more options than you think in most places. So that's cool. But yeah, that's the real lives of travel. So what were some of the highs of getting to bring your kids to such an amazing experience? I would say some of the highs actually had nothing to do with like the Olympics or like the Eiffel Tower or whatever, like the huge things there. They had to do with like the slow moments. There is something so beautiful of like we were having dance parties in our kitchen at our Airbnb in Paris and the kids were just so happy. Or like in Italy, after we had like a really great meal

at our Airbnb, the kids were running around playing tag out in the yard and you could see the Mediterranean Sea and it was like the most beautiful sunset and they were just being kids. And there was just something so beautiful and like those slow moments of seeing our kids be true kids anywhere in the world and just thrive and being included.

And it just, it was just special. It was special to think like our family's doing this and we're getting to experience the world together and they're so happy about it, which was really, yeah. Yeah, cool. It really was the million small moments in between. We're like, we're really routine oriented in our day-to-day here in Nashville.

But when you pluck them out of that normal routine where there's comfort and they feel maybe a little more empowered to go explore neighbor's houses or push boundaries in whatever way, like explore. When we were in this totally new setting, they really kind of turned towards Sean and I. And it felt like so much like a team in a different way. We're always together with the kids,

but in this situation, they were like really depending on us and we were like a squad together. It was really fun. I love that. I actually think about last year, we went to Disney with just the girls and we're normally traveling with like, you know, all the extended family or friends. It's never just Krish and I and the girls.

And that was our first trip to do that. And we felt the same. We were like, we feel like such a little team. Like these are our people. Like you get back to the hotel room and it's just you guys. And then the next day it's just us. And it was really cool. It was like, we don't really know anyone here

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I want to talk more about like family and stuff, but first just one more Olympic question because Christian, I were talking about this. I was like, I'm going to ask Sean this because we have been talking on the podcast about delusional confidence. This has been a funny segment of the podcast about how everyone, well, maybe not everyone, but I certainly have a delusional confidence in me where like this, the other day we had this full discussion. It's been actually an ongoing discussion a couple months now because Christian plays church League softball and

There is this big softball field that he plays on and he hits home runs on it like every single week And so does my brother-in-law may crush it So then he comes home from a softball game and I'm like, how many home runs did you hit and he tells me and then I'm like, I think I could do that like I really do and he was like you're delusional if you think you could hit a home run on that and I'm like, I think I could do that. Like I really do. And he was like, you're delusional if you think you could hit a home run on that. And I'm like. Not trying to be rude,

just trying to also be practical with, you know. So we had this full conversation about delusional confidence. So then I posted on my Instagram, I'm like, here's my delusional confidence, what's y'all's? It was hilarious. How many people had these hilarious, like people were like,

I think I could try out for Dallas Kelwood's jellies and make the team. Like I could do the Thunderstruck dance tomorrow if I wanted to. Just people thinking they could do these crazy things. Well, since it's in the Olympics, there's so many people who are like, I could do that, you know, like I could run track

or I could play volleyball. I could do all these things. And you know, you watch the Olympics. And although these are like the most elite athletes in the world, and you probably truly know deep down, you can never do that. Something NS goes, I think I could do it. So Sean, I wanted to ask you from like

a true Olympic athlete, what does it actually take to be an Olympian? Like, are we actually delusional to ever think that an average person could just show up like a high school volleyballer and be on the volleyball team at the Olympics? And before you answer that, Sean, I always wonder why specifically swim and track,

like I think it would do so good for television if like you put where the average person would be compared to the Olympics. They really need to do that. So like on swimming, like if you just had this little red line for like the average, whatever person, and like for track, like when it's the 400 meter hurdles or whatever, like where would the average person be compared? Like, you know, it would really take out our delusional confidence.

I just think it would be so helpful for people like, oh yeah, I actually really, you know, I would have no shot at all. But actually though, like, what does it take? Well, real quick before I get to that, I think another thing that would be fascinating to see for people to like understand the elite side of it is how, like after they're done competing, I would love for the world to see,

like Simone Biles try to run a 400, or Michael Phelps try to go walk on the beam. I think showing people that it's not just, like, a certain level that you reach and you're good at everything, it's truly, like, very sport-specific, I think would be fascinating. That's so true, actually. What does it take?

I'm not going to say, like, I don't think you're far off in saying, or people are saying that like a high school volleyball person could go and make the team. I think there's just like a little difference there. I think anybody has that potential. It's good. It's just, you have to devote such an almost unhealthy obsession to it for such a long period of time to reach that level.

So I think we all have that ability. It's just there are few who truly tap into it. So if that high school volleyball decides to be obsessive in their sport and just like continue to train for the next five years, yeah, I bet they have a shot at making the team. I actually have strong feelings about this. May I? No, no, no. Here's the thing, we're writing a book

that should be out in like maybe 12 months about this similar topic, where I actually think, not to suck all the fun out of this conversation, I actually think that delusional confidence is required to achieve almost anything meaningful, whether it's a marriage that lasts a lifetime. It's like, it's kind of delusional to think, yeah, I could stick with this one person

through all the ups and downs and losses and wins and oh my gosh, like it's kind of delusional. Or the delusion of a young six-year-old girl who looks at these amazing people on TV at the Olympics and thinks, I wanna do that it like somebody has to do it you know and it to me it almost correlates back to faith where it's like Like you have to have this ability to to believe in something that is not yet reality And that's how you achieve anything so to me I have

Yeah, last tiny little caveat because this is just hitting on so many different topics. I have coached quite a bit over the years in gymnastics, and I think a great way to explain this to even viewers who watch the Olympics is I've had the pleasure of coaching thousands of kids. I do summer camps. I see a lot of kids come through the gymnastic system. I have seen girls who have a God-given talent and gift in our sport, who so easily learn and execute with such precision and perfection and beauty, who have no interest in the sport, therefore never get to like level two of 10,

let alone make it to the Olympics. But then I see girls who do not have that gift, but have a God given obsession and passion for it that they're willing to push past any obstacle that they're faced with to figure it out. Wow. And it's usually those girls who make it really far, if not to the Olympics. I am curious to hear Christian's take and your take on this

because we've all have backgrounds in doing, I think, interesting things, whether it be sports or outside of that. But I was actually just learning about the four stages it takes to move from extrinsic motivation to intrinsic motivation. So like having someone else tell you like a coach that you should do this, you should do that

versus the super powerful intrinsic, like no, I want to do this. I wanna wake up at 5 a.m. and do this training that is I think required to be an Olympian. But it's really exciting because I think we all have the ability to move from extrinsic to intrinsic. The four stages are curiosity,

and then it's continued exposure next. So like just sticking around and learning more about it. Third is theory crafting. So like for you hitting the home run, it's almost like, hey, well, I can't hit a home run with a wooden bat, but maybe you start crafting these ideas of like, what if I tried a metal bat and what if I put cleats on so I had a little more torque power or whatever?

And then the last thing is incorporating feedback. But what is the balance? I think this is a super hard art to nail down in life of having the delusional confidence that you can achieve something, if not anything, versus saying, this is like, Andrew will never be an Olympic swimmer, and understanding that there is feedback,

and having the awareness of that. I don't know what the balance is, but I'm curious what you guys take. I love this question. Do you want to go first? No, you go first. Well, I love everything that you all just said. One, I agree.

I think delusional confidence is actually a superpower. And I think that it's a good thing. Cause I think if you feel, yeah, you have to feel in some sense, like I can do that for you to even try and to go for it. And to the point of the home run thing, after Christian was like, I don't think you can do that. And I was like, I think I can't.

I know I can't just do that. Like, okay, I'm not just gonna walk out there and do it. But I went to Academy and I bought a bat and balls and batting gloves and started practicing outside and bought a tee so I could work on my swing, write an article. Like, I'm actually gonna try. And so even if I don't hit the home run, I got better, okay? And I did something fun and I have a good memory from it.

And so I think that the balance is like, you didn't fail if you didn't hit the home run, you got better at something, you tried something new, you learned a new skill. And so it's like, what do you deem successful? Is it I hit the home run or is it I have a good memory? And because I'm not actually trying to be a professional softball player,

it's okay not to hit the home run. Like it's not a fail, you know? And I think too, like, I love what you said. So encouraging that anyone can do it. It's just a matter of your God given obsession. Like not even in an unhealthy way. It's like, that can be a good thing. And I actually think about this

when it comes to me speaking, because before I actually started like speaking and really preaching, I got asked to speak all the time because I was the Duck Dynasty kid and I hated it. Like literally hated it. I remember the first time I went and spoke somewhere, I was supposed to speak for 25 minutes. I only spoke for five minutes because I was so nervous, walked out the stage. The people asked for their money back because it was so bad. True story.

I told my mom, I'm never doing that again. That was so awful. And then a couple of years later, my life radically changed because I've truly fell in love with Jesus. My whole life changed. And then I was like, I want people to know about this. I want people to know about Jesus.

And if I just started not sharing just my story, but got to share His story and got to share my testimony, then like, I would do that. And now, like, that is what I do. I speak and I'm confident in that and I love doing it. And it became really an obsession with God that led into me reading so much and studying so much and preparing sermons. And like, here I am, you know, I guess eight years into doing this and I love it so much. And I continue to want to read and study and grow. And so I think that's a good example.

And that girl can preach, man. She can preach. And that's the funny thing though, is like, I really was not good at it. And so, but then I became good at it by like the obsession and the love for God and the word. And so I think that just to say that's so true that you might not be like the most talented person

in the area, but if you love it and you grow in it, it's amazing what God can do through you and in you. And I don't know, I feel like so much has to do with not, like what is your definition of success in something and not feeling like you failed if you didn't reach this Olympic title, but man, look at how far you came. That's very good. Andrea, I love how you talked about the difference

between the intrinsic and extrinsic because, yeah, at the end of the day, you do have to be disciplined in whatever you, whatever you wanna be good at, whether it, you do have to be disciplined in whatever you, whatever you wanna be good at, whether it is you pushing yourself to be disciplined in it or you having a coach that sets up this meeting to where if you're late, you have consequences for it or whatever.

And even kind of thinking about it for me, from the standpoint of like working out, we just did a gym at our house, and I'm even thinking about it from the context of weightlifting to where like, and you probably relate to this where you feel like you can lift more weights if people are watching you,

like if people are around you, rather than like if I'm just by myself doing it. And I've thought about that a lot lately of like, I wanna try to be just as strong when I'm here by myself as I am if I have people watching me. And I almost feel like that's an interesting thing for myself of like, I wanna be disciplined in here knowing that no one's watching me.

I don't have any mirrors in my gym because I don't wanna watch myself when I'm doing this. I don't need somebody encouraging me to do more. I'm gonna come in here and do it myself. And I've been doing the same weight that I've been doing, whereas if I'm working out with you, or if I'm working out with friends, and I have people around me that are pushing me,

or else if I'm trying to want to maybe look good for people watching, whatever. So I've even thought about that for me of, yeah, just in the solitude of getting up, pushing myself to do it, no one's watching me, I'm not watching myself even. Yeah, that has to come from somewhere, but it is difficult.

It's not easy. I mean, the amount of mornings I wanna get up and go do that is, it's more often than not, I don't wanna go do it. Yeah, it's something intrinsically lately has kind of pushed myself more to kind of find that in the solitude and push myself to do it. That's so good.

I've seen you relate that to your faith too, because it's like I'm pushing myself physically in this area because it's gonna help me even in my spiritual walk, you know? Because so many times that you want it to be like the public things, but it really is the private moments. I love how you related delusional confidence to marriage because that's actually so funny and so true

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and your family, just being a godly family. Talk about that a little bit. Is that something that you guys pictured for your life when y'all were young? Like, did you have that example and want to create that? Is that something that y'all kind of created together? Where did that delusional confidence begin to come into y'all's life?

Can I riff on a few more thoughts real quick? John's giving me the look of like, Andrew, stop talking. Okay, a couple. Yes, you can. I think the book, Start With Why by Simon Sennett came to mind when you were talking, Christian, because I think the most powerful thing that would allow you to do the weights

that you want to by yourself, as opposed to what other people is like having a reason why. This has been interesting. I'm a meathead, so I try to correlate everything back to working out and fitness. But I think- Feel free to talk. I think the most powerful thing that I'm 32 now,

I realize I will not be a professional athlete in any sport no longer. And I'm sitting there like, why am I? I really had a conversation with myself of like, why am I even spending any time working out? This is my only hobby pretty much, right? I do this and ping pong maybe, and I read. But why am I spending time working out?

And then my new why, as opposed to being a professional athlete, which is what it used to be, is now I realize there's really no spiritual practice that is not correlated with physical health. So it's like, even praying or like worshiping, it's like the physical and the spiritual are so closely tied, which gets me pumped, to like wake up and like take care of the temple.

You know what I'm saying? I also think of, and I'll bring this back to the parenting and family thing, but the book, Mindset by Carol Dweck, which is to your point about what is success, Sadie, it's like, it should not be results driven. And we're trying to do this with our kids and even, hey, you're so smart, Drew, not saying that,

as opposed to what we're working towards of, oh, Drew, I love your curiosity. I love how you asked this question. And it really be more of the journey, because then I really think that takes the cap off of, hey, success was just beating this one person in sport or getting an A on the test and it makes it like whatever your full potential is,

which is good. But last meathead correlation, cause the family travel I was thinking about, you know how you do overloading with weights, Christian? Like if you're doing a back squat or bench press test, you put some heavier weight than you're going to end up doing just to feel it. And then what you move down to feels lighter.

I feel like that's what it was like with traveling with the family, where it was like, oh, man, we did the whole Europe with three kids. We had 12 bags. It was like so much. And now when Sean and I traveled by ourselves, it's like, dude, this is gravy. We have like such, we overloaded the plate

and now what is now normal feels so easy. Back to the parenting and the original question. Marriage. Marriage. Did you answer the question? I love it. I love it. We're so good for this.

I'm also really inspired to go read because I'm like he's like this book that book this book I'm like He reads like a book every other day which is wild. Okay my why for it is because it's like an empathy building exercise I realize like everything is kind of you can learn a lot about weightlifting by learning about flying a plane or something like that. There's always correlation. And to me, it's like, I have no appreciation for a DJ that gets up on stage and does his pushing the button thing. But if I learned about it, and if I read about it, I'd be like, actually, that's sick,

and it's a good practice. I'm gonna stop talking. I'm gonna answer your question real quick. Now you have me thinking of all these random things. Go for it, Sean. Yeah. To answer the marriage question, which I love it. I love it.

I love it. Yes, I think we both wanted that growing up, because it was modeled. But I do think we have done some things differently. I don't know what it was. We were definitely the first ones of our friend group to get married. We got married pretty young.

We got married at 23, 24. And it seemed kinda like a delusional confidence, but very like just a rude awakening to, after we got married, life hit us kind of square in the face of just like, there are so many things out there, so many things that you have to take care of. And culture kind of started to seep in and take over in the sense of everywhere we turned, someone was getting divorced, they weren't happy, they were like, this isn't the right

person. And we just kind of got inundated by that. And so we had to have a serious conversation of what does our marriage look like and what do we want it to look like for the rest of our lives. Like saying the word which is funny. We have a rule in our household where we don't say the D word. So like divorce is not on the table ever. And we made that a rule very early on because for us, knowing that that's not an option, the only other option then is to work through everything.

Yeah. And it's like, okay, we're in a really hard situation. There's no out to this other than we're gonna figure it out. And so our faith just kind of grew through that. And it made it more and more and more important for us to prioritize our marriage in a faith-based way and make sure no matter what, it was like the top priority for our family.

Yeah. I also think, I mean, we would be remiss not to mention that we have really fantastic role models in this area of life. Sean's parents got married at like 15 or 16 and still married and like do a great job with the family culture. My family has a really strong family culture and I had like my parents were high school sweethearts. And so we had like the example. Great examples, yeah.

They kind of help hold our hand through the whole thing. But yeah, it's been fun. I do feel like it's a responsibility, though, now that people, we share about this topic. And it's really, really fun because we care about it. But it's also like, yo, we are currently still working through this ourselves. So don't take our advice.

Oh, yeah. Well, I remember, I'm so glad you all do share, because I think we're the same way where we've had, like, fantastic examples in our parents. And now we hope to be that, you know, for other people who might not have had that, or just another person that people can look at as. Because even when you look at your parents,

it's still helpful to see, like, young people doing it, too, and walking it out in the day to day. But I remember before we had kids, maybe whenever we were pregnant with Honey, I was getting really nervous about like sharing our family on social media. And I was like, do I want to share our family? Do I not?

Is this more of a private thing? Should I just make my page more work related? Like having all the thoughts. And I am like a major, I don't want to say like over thinker cause that sounds negative, but I'm really thoughtful in these things. Like I really want to take the time to think it out,

pray it out, talk to all the people who've experienced it. And so I remember I reached out to Alexa Pena Vega and because she's just done an incredible job, I think of like sharing her family and showing such a godly faith-based family on social media and she's an actress and her husband's an actor, and all the things. And so I was like, how did you decide to share your family?

And she just gave me the best advice, and was just like, Sadie, if you look around at culture, most TV shows, most movies, they are not gonna show a godly example of a family. And she said, but we have been given the gift of social media that you get to show people what that looks like in their life, a godly marriage, a godly family. And it does not mean you're gonna get it perfect.

It does not mean that it's not gonna be hard, but that's a gift we've been given. And if God's given you that platform, then I think you should use it and trust Him with it. And I don't know, it just was such a timely word. And I started thinking about that and even being from the TV world. Doug Dynasty, that was such a rare thing that, you know,

they would allow a family on TV to show what a godly family looked like. And so I was like, okay, that's really cool. And there's been so many things over the years that have been hard and there have been times that I'm like, oh, maybe not, maybe I'll step back for a second. And there's been moments, but overall,

I'm so glad we did because I've had so many moms come up to me and husbands and wives come up to us and like couples just say like, thank you for the example you are. And I'm so grateful that we've been able to kind of do life alongside of other people from afar. Do you all feel like, was that something that y'all thought about, talked about beforehand?

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that we said we're doing it right, so you should follow. But we always wanted to have a, use our platform in a way that said we're doing this with the foundation of faith. We don't like say it outwardly as much. We try to like make people curious and bring them in that way. If that makes sense.

But yeah, I've always told Andrew, at the end of the day, we look like fools on social media. We just laugh and have fun and we do ridiculous things. It's the best. Thank you. But I told Andrew, I was like, at the end of the day, if I'm thinking about my daughter, if she finds herself on Instagram one day

and happens upon a family, a healthy marriage, where they're acting like fools and laughing and loving each other, instead of an account that is polarizing, scandalous, you know, provocative, that's a win for me. And if we can maybe encourage a teenage girl or a teenage boy to say, I actually kind of want that, then it's a success for us. That's great.

I have strong feelings on this as well. Oh, yes you do. Do you know how many strong feelings I have that I can never share anywhere. Oh, yes, you do. Do you know how many strong feelings I have that I can never share anywhere? Oh, man. Well, first of all, love what you guys do. Besides the sauna.

I've actually, well, I love how you've thoughtfully approached this together as a couple. We have done the same thing. We've created a whole Google Doc of thoughts with this, of justifying our decision, because there's no easy answer, right? But my thought is one, there's a lot of different styles to doing like, oh, you share about your family

on the internet, that could look a million different ways. Some people do it in ways that I wouldn't be comfortable with, which is like, here's a click bait a YouTube video about, oh, my daughter stole my credit card and went to Target or whatever, right? Then there's ways that I think is more shareable home videos, which is how we kind of approach it. And it's been really fun to kind of dig into

my family archives. And my grandpa was a massive documenter, my dad was a massive documenter. So we've been taking family videos forever. And now this is just like a different way to archive it, I feel like. But also to Sean's point, there's no shortage of promiscuous, provocative,

polarizing content on the internet. And you're gonna like, I think that our style, like the kind of feel good, warm and fuzzies, like, oh, sweet, maybe I learned something more. Or you're speaking to a mom who's in that five minute respite that they get between naps where there's not screaming.

And like, yeah, what else are you gonna do besides pull out your phone or turn on the TV? It's like, if we can give them a smile or slight encouragement or maybe like a little takeaway of like, oh, I've never thought about things like that, then that's a huge win for us. And then lastly, like, no, no, you go ahead. What was it our devotional said today about the internet culture?

It says internet. Mockers. Yeah, it says internet culture advantages, right? What was the, oh, can't remember. It's talking about how the internet naturally rewards you if you're, if you are polarizing or- Well, yeah, true. You know, you say something really sensationalist that's like. That's the thing on TikTok, right? That like the most aggressive comment is the top.

Right, right. Anyway, so yeah, it's been really fun. We also try our best. And this is why we started our podcast. And the network which we started our podcast and the network, which we've been building is like, if you want to hear funny stories or see how we do things and like tune into us, but we do our best

to divert attention away from us and towards actual experts for people who want advice. And so it's like, hey, how do you guys, like tell me about how you went through the dating process or what do you guys do for pre-marriage counseling? It's like, we're not pre-marriage counselors. We're not gonna tell you how to do that. You should go source one or here's like a starting spot that we can link out and you can check it out.

But we really try to like with our interviews say, hey, here's someone who knows much more about this than we do and listen to them and not us. So anyway. I feel the same way. That's why I have these people on. I'm like, give us the best piece of advice that you have because we need to hear from you,

which I think that's so good. You're introducing people to other people. And that's the cool thing about podcasts, you're planting seeds, you know? It's like, hey, you know, this might be the start of the podcasts, you're planting seeds, you know? It's like, hey, this might be the start of the book that you're about to read, and then that book might change the course of your life,

and this is just a starting point. This is just an introduction. And I know you guys are so big on community and building friends and making friends, and it's kind of like that. It's just introducing people to resources, to people. And I do love how Instagram is like, if you follow Sean and Andrew, it's like people like you.

And then you kind of can go down this train of making sure that your socials, because social media truly is what you make it. You decide who you follow, you kind of create your algorithm based off what you look up, what you look at, which takes a lot of intentionality. And it also is kind of like,

if it's not what you're wanting, then you have to kind of look in the mirror and say, okay, this is kind of what I've been, you know, this is what I've told social media I do want. And so I think this is a good note too, for people listening that like, if you do want those things, those are the things you gotta search,

those are the things you look for, those are the things you follow. And it's not out of just like, oh, they wanna follow. It's like, no, this actually just promotes better things going out in the world. And you guys are putting out so many great things with the network and everything.

I know Christian was laughing this morning. He was like, I'm going to ask Andrew how to be a better influencer. Which I think is funny, but I also think it's- Andrew's the best influencer. I actually think it's a good question too, that I'm going to ask for you. It is so inspiring.

From like a man perspective. I'm just not a good influencer. Because like, okay, I will say in your defense, I'm gonna ask for you. It is so inspiring. From like a man perspective. I'm just not a good influencer. Cause like, okay, I will say in your defense, like a lot of the men, like, I don't know who are influencers, sometimes it can be a little like cringe for lack of a better word. I don't even like that word cause it feels so rude,

but it can be, you know, it can just be like, oh yeah, that's kind of weird. But you don't feel that way. Like you're doing the influencer thing. It's funny, it's relatable, it's kind of weird. But you don't feel that way. Like you're doing the influencer thing. It's funny, it's relatable, it's also respectable. And I feel like Christian is like having a hard time finding the balance of like, I wanna do that because I wanna use my platform,

but I don't wanna look like this doing it, you know? You could legitimately sell me anything. I truly believe that. I think you're a great creator, Christian. I was just talking to a friend the other day about, I don't know if I would use social media at all if I didn't have a dope wife like I do. Like, I think when we first started our YouTube channel,

this was the whole reason we started was because I said, if the world could get to know my wife as well as I do, then everyone would be better off. And so I really have, I feel so lucky to really just have story after story after story that I could share on social media that like really just is about how dope you are. And that's where I'm trying to keep it.

And we make a lot of fun videos trying to tell that story. And it's endless though, like, cause you really are amazing. No, you're imperfect. Don't get me wrong. Now you have your flaws, but you're dope. Okay. But- You are the best.

It's actually so true though, cause I just looked at your Instagram today. And I think one of your last posts was Sean on like the cover magazine and you're like, look at how good she looks. Look at how good. So, hey, you're being true. This is true. This is really what. So hey, you're being true. This is true.

This is really what the Instagram is, which is the best. Yeah, it does make me uncomfortable to flex. Hey, here's all the things that I've accomplished or how cool I am. Stop. You've done so much. You can do that for me if you would like. But I also, as far as the quote unquote influencer,

it really is a really unique and fun responsibility that we have to whatever. We have a certain style that some people like. Not everybody likes a style, that's fine, that's good. But for people that do have interest in how we do life and navigate life, it's like we have the opportunity to test and try out all the different things

that then we can curate and have like our short list of recommendations and say, hey, this is actually the best stroller. This is actually the best thing, which is like so much fun. And I love, I'm naturally like an experimenter. We go to the grocery store. I'm always buying like new beverages or this or that, whatever. I try to do that.

That's you too. Yeah, it's so fun. But then it really is just flipping around and saying, I tried them all, this is the best one. So take my word for it or not. Love your passion. Christian, you really could do that. Christian could do that.

You already naturally do that. It's just funny. I just don't ever think about that. Well, what's funny is Christian loves you, Andrew. He respects you. Y'all are bros, and I know that. You'll actually get to hang out. But truly, even behind the scenes scenes when he's not talking to you

He's always like Andrew is the coolest and I'm like well and he's like I want to be an influencer like Andrew I'm like, well do it go try your beverages and tell people about it So I love it that's good perspective Question. Oh, go ahead. Today's the day. Not someday, today. You're going to go to the store, and you're going to buy whatever drink you think looks the coolest, like you always do, and then you're going to tell people on Instagram

how it was. I can maybe do that. Also, are you just flexing your tricep for us right now? What is this? Are you just trying to, I'm not. Dude. What the heck? Are you kidding?

Bro? Jeez, man. All right. I'm not. I can only the heck? Are you kidding? Bro? Geez, man. All right. I'm not. I can only see half of my body right now on my little frame. I was not trying to flex my triceps. Krishnan, do you have any questions? I know we're coming towards the end of time, but I want you to be able to ask a question.

No, I thought the influencer question was great because one word that we always try to live by is just authenticity. I think sometimes too, I think that's the biggest disappointment for people is when you have something on social media and then you get to meet them in real life and it's not what they're portraying, right? They're not actually genuine,

they're not actually authentic. And y'all are those people, y'all are super genuine and super authentic. And yes, it's just inspiring to actually know people that, you know, practice what they preach and that they are, you know, what people see online. That's, you know, that's who you guys are when you were just hanging out behind closed doors. So I appreciate that. But yeah, I think, yeah, I think for those listening, just if social media is something that you wanna do, if it's something that you wanna start

or navigate or whatever, I think you always just have to start with being authentic and being just genuine. Yeah, don't try to put off something that that's not who you actually are to try to create followers or whatever, but just use your platform to do good things. And as we mentioned earlier, please don't be provocative

and please. Yeah. I'll use this moment. I'll use this moment to share my hot takes. Please for the love, don't post inappropriate things to try to get people to. Don't be a part of the problem. Yeah, don't.

So, yeah. That's good. No, truly, y'all's integrity in all the things that you guys have done. I think that's part of why there is so much longevity to all of it. Like you guys have continued to grow and following and influence.

Y'all are building this network. Like you have so many layers to what you do. And I think that speaks to the integrity of y'all's why, you know? And thank God has honored that, brought people around it who are the same way. And y'all's why, you know? And thank God has honored that, brought people around it who are the same way. And y'all have introduced so many people to so many incredible resources

with all the things you guys do. And we just respect it. We look out to it. We were like, we're gonna take this opportunity today to like hear from our friends, but also learn from our friends. And truly, I think it's so fun talking to people like y'all because, you know, even at even before this, I said,

we're just going to have a fun, casual conversation. But when you talk to people whose heart is so pure, even if it's just a fun, casual conversation, so much wisdom pours out. And that's just how you guys naturally are. And we got to see that literally in your home and on a podcast. So thank you all for doing all that you do to bless the world. And thanks for taking time to come back on our podcast.

You guys are the best, truly. Thank you. It's truly reciprocated. We feel the exact same way about you guys. You guys really are the benchmark for so much of what we do and so much of what we share. One thing that has been fun in the last four years since we spoke on the podcast is we've gotten to know you two.

And you've come over to the house a couple of times and I feel like we're really friends now, which is fun. And yeah, it's just a blast. I remember when Christian's brother signed baseball at Vanderbilt, I was like, oh, we're getting closer to being friends with Christian and Sadie and you don't have to be a fan boy, but we're pumped and we just really admire

and look up to you guys. So keep up the good work. I do think that we'll have to have Christian on the podcast sometime. Yeah, for the third time. Oh yeah. I get you. For the third time.

I would be honored to join whenever y'all, whenever y'all need me. For the third time. And hey, new podcast name. Wait, let people know because it's the same podcast, just a new name, right? Yeah, so we still have Couple Things, but we,

I don't know how to explain this. So like we were interviewing people on couple things and I was so curious about things that even outside of their relationships. So we would talk about relationships, but then I wanted to know more and it just didn't fit the brand of like couples. So we just added the interview show,

which is called Second Cup, like your second dose. I love that. That's awesome. That's so cool. Well, y is called Second Cup, like your second dose. I love that. Yeah. That's awesome. That's so cool. Well, y'all are putting out so many great things. If you guys are not following them, I don't know what you're doing, go do that right now.

Thanks again, guys. Y'all are the best. Thank you guys. Thank you guys. you