WHOA That's Good Podcast - Why I Had to Confront My Brother About How He Was Living | Sadie Robertson Huff | Christian Huff | Chance Huff

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

Christian Huff's brother, Chance, makes his WTG debut in this very fun — and funny! — conversation. What did Chance think of Sadie when they first met? How is he enjoying married life? And how much does he love playing Minor League baseball? Chance shares why he's making the most of this season of waiting. Christian remembers the very tough conversation he knew he needed to have with Chance when he saw that his life was not honoring the Lord — and how Chance initially responded. And Christian and Chance answer some of your questions about intentionality in dating, tough conversations you need to have with your significant other, and why they believe their family is and has stayed so close.  To Donate to Hurricane Helene Relief Efforts : https://www.samaritanspurse.org/ https://everylife.com — Get 10% off your first order when you use promo code WHOA at checkout! https://sadiepens.com — Stock up on Mr. Pen Bible journaling supplies today! https://drinkag1.com/whoa — Get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3K2 and TEN free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase ! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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give goes a long, long way. I know these people will be so appreciative. So just want to say that on the front end that we're thinking of you guys, praying for y'all, and really want to help in whatever way we can. Also want to say we've been traveling the past couple of weeks and it has been such a joy to get to meet so many of you guys, listen to the podcast that has like filled my heart. It just makes me so excited to get to see you guys face to face, hear about the episodes that have impacted you

and how we've been growing along together. It's truly just been such a blessing to me. So thank you so much everyone who came up to me and told me that. This week is such a special episode I am truly so excited about. This is a first time guest, but no stranger to anyone. We actually have Christian's brother, Chance, on the podcast. Hey everybody.

So welcome to the Well Let's Go Podcast. Thank you. Well listen. I'm excited to be here. I'm on the podcast with him. Yeah, and you know, everyone knows who you are. So do you want me to introduce you, babe? No, that was a joke.

It's just for someone listening, it's like, oh, I wonder if Christian's on it too. I'm on it with Chance. Don't worry. Yes, he's here as well. Christian is in the flesh. For those who are concerned. In the house. But listen, Chance is no stranger to podcasts,

so he's a rookie on this podcast, but you've been on Christian's podcast twice. I have been. And your lovely wife has an incredible podcast that you are a regular star on. I've even hosted one. Oh okay I remember that because you like called us you're like I'm literally having to host this. What should I talk about? I had to take over for some questions because she was traveling so I had to take over and do my own show. You did a good job. I tried my best. If anyone

can just like step in and host a random podcast, it's you, bro. I appreciate it. Listen, it actually is really cool, too, because we have Maya coming on the podcast. We're recording an episode with her Wednesday. And it would have made more sense to have y'all on together, but this kind of happened randomly,

because we already had Maya recording Wednesday. And so Chance is coming to town anyways for Maya recording. And we were like, wait, we is coming to town anyways for Maya recording. And we were like, wait, we should have Chance on the podcast too. So- A little brother episode. So- A little bro episode. Little siblings. Little sibling. And so I took this one to Instagram and asked a bunch of questions. What do people want

to know about Chance and Christian? And y'all, I got some really great questions in, but before I even get to that, Chance, I have to put you on the spot. I did not prepare you for this. But I ask every single guest who ever comes on this podcast the same question, and you're no different. Chance, what is the best piece of advice you have ever been given? Oh my goodness. Bomb drop.

That really, yeah, there was no- There was no warning. No warning on that one. There was no warning on that. I'm trying to think of a nice one to think about. This always exposes if you listened about podcasts or not. So now we know. Now I know.

Should have been prepared for that one. Christian didn't give me a heads up either. I didn't think, well, you sent us the list of questions and that was on the- I'm talking, I'm stalling right now. That was a sneak attack. It is a sneak attack. Well, if you can't think of one,

you can just be thinking about it in the back of your mind, and then maybe say it at some random point in the podcast. OK, yeah. Let me come back to it. Let me rack my brain for some good advice. But be thinking. I will be thinking about it. I'm always thinking.

So a lot of people want to know about y'all as brothers. Are you guys close? I mean, that's obvious. Y'all are super close. But one of the common questions, I thought this was hilarious because it's just so y'all, is aren't y'all competitive? I would say we are very competitive almost to a fault.

I would say, yes. Our competitiveness has- Never died. No, it's never died, but it's led me to many rifts, I feel like with your family at times, because I take competitiveness that I had growing up and put it on you and your family and your siblings, and your family is not near as competitive as I am.

I can attest kind of like a disproportionate, you know, of like, you know, sports and stuff, because I just kind of take it to another level and your family is not usually for that. And I can attest to that. It's the same way with me and Maya. When we were, I can't remember if we were dating or, I think it was when we were dating

and we went and played pickleball and we played y'all two in volleyball and pickleball. And I was getting so frustrated because yeah, Christian was, Christian and Sadie were dominating us. Christian has no chill. Christian also never lets off the gas, no matter who he's playing. Yeah, and I was, and rightfully so.

And I was getting... But you weren't in either field either. I was getting so frustrated, and Maya was telling me, it's okay, it's just a game. And that was just fueling my fire even more. It was like, no, it is not okay to be just getting beat down by my brother right now. It was so funny, because it was like, we kept talking about other games we could play. It was like, okay, well now let's try volleyball. And then it ended with like, now let's do a swim race,

which that was the one I did not participate in, and I would have lost that, because I am not a fast swimmer. So if you- I think that was the one thing you beat me in. If we would have made it to the pool, that y'all would have crushed us. But like, just for context,

so I'm 26, you're 24, and like you said earlier, we were just in Auburn for this weekend. And the first night we were there, we were the only two that wanted to go in the hot tub. Everyone else wanted to stay in the house. And this kind of set the tone.

This hot tub, it's pretty big. It's maybe 15 by 15, pretty spacious. It's raining. It's really big. And we're both sitting on opposite sides of the hot tub. And we kind of just like looked at each other and we were just, it was almost like that moment is like, are you thinking what I'm thinking?

And then literally for 45 minutes, we just wrestled each other in the hot tub. Yeah, no. And like we're suplexing each other. I was just about to say that, cause we could see y'all from our perspective up in the house and Maya goes, I sense that they're getting the urge.

And I was like, to what? And she goes to wrestle. And then you guys literally started wrestling for so long. Like literally, like I jam my thumb pretty bad. No, they always wrestle. And that was something I've never seen before. And not just in the hot tub, they wrestle on the floor. So I remember when your parents were like moving

and they were in that condo and y'all just like shut the door and we kept just like hearing things like hit and your dad gets so mad at y'all. Yeah. Especially because whenever we were younger, we would always wrestle upstairs and dad would always say it sounded like we were coming through the ceiling.

Yeah, cause y'all are not like small humans. But yeah, just to wrap that question up, we are like the most two competitive people that- Okay, so this kind of leads into that. We're not, we're not, we were sore losers. We don't, we don't do losing. Well, yeah, I will admit. Yeah.

We, we can definitely work on our losers. Well, the one time I ever saw you and my get in a fight was over code names when you cheated. That was funny. And honestly, I really didn't even, it wasn't even like I tried to hide it. Y'all just didn't even realize that I literally walked around the super long island in the middle of the kitchen. The phone is literally right to the left of Maya. And I just picked up her phone, typed in her passcode,

opened her notes and found the answer. And then literally walked right back around and answered it immediately. And then everybody was so shocked as to how we got it. It's actually really funny. Me and Maya bring that story up quite a bit. If you've ever played Codenames and you know what we're talking about, like all of us, because I can't pay attention

that much, we all write down our thoughts, like the words that we're thinking, on our notes on our phone. And Chance knew this about us. And so he comes around and reads our notes and guesses the thing. They win the game. Well, because Maya was bragging that she knew it and we didn't and guesses the thing, they win the game. Well because Maya was bragging that she knew it

and we didn't, so I had to go find out. So yeah, y'all's competitive is because sometimes you get the best of you guys, but I do think it's actually made y'all better because you're a pitcher, you were a catcher, I think that y'all helped each other a lot to even probably get you a chance to where you are today. Would y'all agree?

Yeah, I would agree. I caught chance in high school, and any time he threw a pitch in the dirt when I was catching, I would spike it back to him when he was pitching. You wouldn't spike it. You would throw it hard back to me. That or I would throw it back. You'd have to pick it from on the mound.

But yeah, we're very competitive. OK, speaking of just kind of your competitiveness and you throwing something hard, a lot of people ask, what is the most embarrassing story you'll have about each other? And because I know this one, Chance, do you want to share? Okay, yeah, I'll start.

So, you know, giving that we both played baseball growing up, Christian's always had a really good arm and our elementary school didn't start until, I think like 8.45 or nine and Christian's outside one morning just throwing the tennis ball into the into the trees in the front yard. I'm trying to hit squirrels with the tennis ball. He's trying to hit squirrels in the trees and he thinks he sees a squirrel and he

and he chucks the tennis ball at the squirrel and somehow some way actually hits it and then he sees this bird just drop out at the squirrel and somehow, someway, actually hits it. And then he sees this bird just drop out of the tree and land in the driveway or in the front yard or something and killed it. Well, the truth is, yeah. And then we're driving to school. And Halo, I think by Beyonce, comes on.

And it's at the point of, let me see your halo, halo. And Christian starts getting teary-eyed in the back, goes, turn it off, turn it off again. You're just crying, halo. I so vividly remember that day. It was elementary school and I was trying to hit squirrels out of the tree. I saw the bird.

I just was thinking there's just no chance I would ever hit it. And I drilled it and it just died immediately. And I just felt so bad. And something about Halo, just thinking about that bird getting its wings. It's like a 10 minute drive to the school from where we were. And yeah, Halo came on and it was an emotional morning.

Cause I think we were actually, it was actually random, but we were doing a play, and I remember being so sad our whole rehearsal for the play that day. That's my very sad story. This is so funny to imagine y'all doing plays in elementary school and stuff. And to that, you really are the most sensitive person with animals, you will make sure you don't hit a squirrel,

anything in the road, like Louisiana, there's a lot of roadkill and your heart breaks every time you see that. So I can see you actually crying to Halo. I do have a wrestle with hunting, because I love hunting, but I do get sad sometimes. I know, no way can you listen to sad songs.

Do you have any embarrassing story about Chance? I mean, do we have embarrassing story about Chance? Yes, but can you think of one? Yes, there's many. But one that I always go back to, and if you're listening to this and you have young kids around you, maybe you could just turn it off. I'm scared.

No, this is not inappropriate. So I think I'm in ninth grade at this point. Eighth grade or ninth grade is one of the two. Which I would be in sixth or seventh grade. Which is embarrassing for you. So it's sixth or seventh grade for Chance, and it's Christmas Eve, and everyone's going to- I was 12.

Okay. Like I said, you're sixth or seventh grade, which is way too old. And we're all going to sleep, and like, Chance yells at my parents not to forget to put the reindeer food in the driveway. And- A totally legitimate thing to say.

And then of course, you know, my mom goes and, I don't know if she had reindeer food, I don't know what... I brought it home from school. Oh yes, that's right, you brought it, what? There's no way they were passing out reindeer food in middle school. Maybe not in middle school, it might have been in sixth grade because it just always got given to me.

For the sake of the story, chances are in sixth grade or seventh grade, and was still believing in Santa Claus. Your mom's such a legend though. I know she put that reindeer food out. There's no way she told you that night. And our parents always did the best job of making us believe in Santa. I think they still did Santa even that long.

I still know when you stopped. Like it was- Probably soon after that I think. Well it's so funny- It was seventh or eighth grade when Chances stopped believing in Santa. Cause you and Maya are like the perfect couple Cause truly like sometimes opposites attract Me and Christian opposites attract

You and Maya are like the same person Like y'all are so similar And Maya I think she admitted this on the podcast When she was on with your mom That she believed in Santa Claus Till freshman year of high school So you guys are a match made in heaven She does meet you.

That is hilarious. Which that's one thing that I don't get sore about losing. And I don't get sore about losing in that competition. The Santa Claus? No, whoever believes longest wins, honestly, because it's better. It's better that way. And if you wanted it, I know there'd be reindeer food out.

And they are. But I think that's so fun, though. I mean, Santa's such a controversial thing right now, but I mean, looking back, I don't regret those things. Like I think that's really sweet and made childhood really fun. It's just a funny story, because me and Chance lived upstairs at our old house,

and it just was like at the loudest voice possible, like, mom, please don't forget to put out the reindeer food. Well, and Christian heard it so loudly because we would sleep in the same room on Christmas Eve That's a clip for socials right there, baby That's hilarious. Okay. A lot of people wanted to know about chances first thoughts and impressions of me Oh, I'm kind of scared about this. You have to be totally honest. Oh, I have my first thoughts of Chance.

And people also brought up, what about you and Bella crashing me on Christian's first date? So I want to know the whole thing. What were your first impressions? Did people really ask that question? Yeah, people really did, because we told that story. So what Chance has referred to at my first thoughts of Chance, honestly, Chance, from the start, I loved you.

I thought you were hilarious. You were like life of the party person. And I had heard so many good things about you. So this did not really make me think anything other about you. I just thought it was like funny. But basically what happened was me and Christian were like on our first date, literally. This is like our first date weekend and we went shopping in Nashville and Christian bought me this like cute little orange bandana and so I like tied it around my jeans because I thought it was cute.

And so literally the first thing that Chance said when he met me, he's like, hey, I'm Chance, like nice to meet you and he's like, what is that? Fashion? And he points to my bandana. I was like, yeah. Christian was very offended. I was like, yeah, your brother bought it for me

actually today. Thank you. And first of all, this is also what he said to me on the date that he was crashing. But no, this was before we crashed the date, wasn't it? No, this was at St. Inejo. I remember it. We were at St. Inejo in Nashville and we were upstairs because there was no seats available, but like upstairs. And you were like, Chance and Bella are here.

And I was like, what? Oh my gosh. We were there because I put us crashing the date on Bella. Me and Bella can, we can hash this out later, but we tried to go eat somewhere across the street and they were completely booked. So then Bella's idea was to go over to St. Anajo and try and get our own table.

And then somehow, the whole night. We didn't even have a table. So we all end up in the no table upstairs zone. Well, the whole night was a cluster. It was a cluster. Well, because we sit at the table and it's like a little couch kind of thing,

I think it was. It wasn't even like a table. And this was before, Chance really turned his life around. BC. This is Chance BC. And this guy brings, you know, Chance really turned his life around. BC. This is Chance BC. And this guy brings over a margarita and he's like, this is for, like, he thinks we ordered one.

And I'm like, no, that's not for us. And Chance is like, I'll take it. And Chance is like 18. This is me and Sadie's first date. And like my 18 year old brother, who's, you know, clearly he had to be 21 to drink alcohol legally. A month into freshman year of college. A month into freshman year of college and chances drinking a margarita.

Well, he's like, I'll take it. And then this is what happened. Christian's like, no, you won't. And then you're like, why? And then he's like, because you're just not gonna take that. And you're like, but dude, why? And then it was like, so all right, because you could tell this would normally be a problem,

but Christian was trying to like- Yes, it would. I would not have condoned that. I mean, it would be a problem. It would be a problem. But you were extra trying to make it look, it would. I would not have condoned that. I mean, it would be a problem. It would be a problem. But you were extra trying to make it look good for me. But I could tell.

And my sisters are there, so me and Bella are laughing. And then you guys get in this bro conversation about... Because there was dirt bike races on TV that y'all were watching. And so y'all talked the whole time. I don't remember this part. And we hardly talked at all. And it was so funny because we had the day before that where we really went on a date and I really liked you.

And then the second day, when chance crashed, and I was like, I don't know. I just don't really know where he's at. That was just kind of like a weird moment. That was my one hesitation. I did put some strain on this relationship. I still thought it was a good thing. But I still loved you.

I was like, he's awesome and hilarious, but I was just not sure this was going to work out. And then the next day we went to pottery and we had some good one-on-one. I was like, OK, actually, I do really like you. Trishon had to apologize probably for my behavior. No, it was just funny because I was trying to be a sweet. I was trying to be nice and being like, yeah, sure,

your sister and my brother can come. So I thought it was going to be inclusive, and you thought it was trying to be a sweet, I was trying to be nice and being like, yeah, sure, your sister and my brother can come. So I thought it was going to be like inclusive and you thought it was going to be like nice that I would let Bella come. That was the thought process. But it completely backfired. It was just hilarious.

It's honestly such a funny memory looking back. And Bella knew you guys before I knew y'all. So that's how Bella was in the picture anyways, because y'all were pretty close friends. Friends, let's talk about something so near picture anyways because y'all are pretty close friends. Friends, let's talk about something so near and dear to my heart and that is life. I literally wrote a book called Live All About Loving Life. Becoming a mom truly changed my life and raising my girls

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I will not be offended. But what were your first, what was your first impression of me? Cause I was honest about that night. My first impression is I thought you were very cool. Yeah. I'm kind of surprised because I thought y'all were cool. I was very intimidated.

Cause I didn't think y'all were gonna think I was cool. I thought y'all were gonna think I was kind of weird Because I didn't think y'all were going to think I was cool. I thought y'all were going to think I was kind of weird. Well, I thought you were. I think I'm a very weird, funny person. So I thought that your funny weirdness, I thought we matched well. I thought we matched. It actually did kind of make me feel better whenever I met you,

because I was so different than Christian, because he isn't weird. And I was thinking, how does he like me? Because he was so different than Christian, because he isn't like weird. And I was thinking like, how does he like me? Because he's so cool. Well, Christian is weird. You just have to know him long enough for the weird to come out, where with me, the weird just kind of comes out automatically.

Everyone knows that about us. But Christian, he actually is like, you are really weird and you are hilarious, but nobody really knows that. And you know how people always say they're intimidated by you when they meet you? And so like, whenever I first, when we were on our first date, I was like, I was kind of thinking like,

I don't know if you're gonna like me because I am kind of weird, and I don't know if I'm gonna be too weird for you because you're so cool. But then when I met you, I was like, oh, he is gonna like me because he and his brother are so close and I'm like his brother.

And it was like, perfect. Remember I told you that? I do remember that. I was like, Chance Cam made me feel like I can be myself because we're kind of similar in personality and that you will appreciate that and not think it's like too much. But yeah, I thought you were quiet.

I can't remember, this must have been after the St. Inayho. Yeah, I know what you're about to say. I can't even remember. We went to some random parking lot in Nashville. We were trying to meet up with mom. We were trying to meet with your mom? Yeah, we were trying to like connect with her because she was like with friends or something.

We were all trying to get back to Franklin from Nashville. Okay, and then I can't even remember what, I think we were maybe all in the same car. I can't remember, I think we were all in Christian's car and we were blaring this one song and then me and Sadie had a twerk off against each other. Okay, so this is not me, like BC, cause I love the Lord,

but this was me before like full on ministry and everything. And yes, we were all young. Nothing's wrong with having like a twerk off. No, no, nothing's wrong with having a twerk off, but it was really funny cause we were listening to this song. And it was just us four. And you started like, yeah. And then we were like, I can't remember what this,

what was the song? It was such a weird, annoying song. I can't remember what it had. Ay, pop it, pop it, pop it, pop it, ya. Ay, stealer man, stealer man. Which is a super bad song, so maybe cut that part out. Who knows? OK, so then Chance is like, oh, I was like,

oh, I heard you can twerk because Bella showed me this video on time of you just being funny at the house. You're like, yeah, so you get out of the car and it's like, yeah, hey, pop it, pop it, pop it. And I was like, so I turn on Turn Down for what? Yeah, and then, And then I was like, that was like my song, not that I did this at any party,

and I was like, because I actually didn't, but I did discover a talent that I could twerk to the beat of Turn Down for What. That you can. I have not seen that in years. I'm crying. OK, so that's a true, honest what chances first impression was going to be.

I knew that story was going to come out. If I asked you that, I was kind of afraid, but I was like, full sun. I forgot about some of those moments. That is hilarious. And that's what led me to believe that you were really cool and funny. I know, because that actually is good,

because I feel like back in the day, especially when you do ministry, and this is like side note, you know how Miles kept saying in a sermon, like side sermon, it's kind of like side sermon, but I feel like sometimes in ministry, people forget that you're human too, and not that you, I don't think you ever have to compromise your faith to be like anything in ministry

to have fun in life. I think you can fully follow God and be like completely devoted, surrender to the Lord and actually have fun. And I feel like a lot of times when people, even like friends of mine, like at first, when we first became friends, they were like kind of, where are you at with like just having fun?

It's like people think you had to be serious all the time. And that's why I try on like social media to always like also have fun. Like do dance videos, do the challenges, like just be ourselves because that's so a part of who we are and it's not compromising our faith. So I do think that was good that that happened the first night because it showed you like,

hey, I'm actually like super normal. And I can twerk to turn down for what? It's my fun. If you're listening to this and you are one of the people that comment mean things on dance videos, just don't do that. Don't do that, okay. Don't be that person.

Because Christian's getting better. Christian is getting way better. We support that. And maybe Christian will be on Dancing with the Stars one day. No, please don't ever call me. I would love to see it. Oh my gosh, that would That would be hilarious. It would only be for one week. You'd probably get voted off. No, I would be so likable that they just would want to keep me. Oh my gosh. What did you learn from this experience? Nothing. What is that from? You had to watch

Dance of the Stars to know, but last week the girl who got voted off, it was bad. And they asked her what she learned from the show and she said, nothing. I was like, what will you take with you? You were like, what did you learn from this experience or so to say? She just point blank said nothing, no chill at all. Okay, so kind of pivoting a little bit, but we were kind of reminiscing on that funny story

about after we got together and then Chance kind of confiding in you and like wanting to find a godly relationship. I do wanna talk about that because a lot of people ask this question, what would you tell younger guys to look for in a potential girlfriend or future wife? And I remember a specific time Chance kind of asking you advice on that because yeah,

that was like Chance, single college days. And we had just kind of started to get closer to getting engaged. I think we had just gotten engaged and y'all had that conversation. But y'all want to speak to that a little bit about like what to look for in godly relationships and how to get there.

Do you want to start it? Yeah, I can. Yeah, we were talking about this a little bit in the car on the way here. I think for me, I mean, just practical things of, like the person that you're gonna pursue and that you wanna be in relationship with. You know, I think you want them to be authentic and genuine.

I think people's friends speak so loudly to who they are, whoever you surround yourself with. You know, that's the saying, your five best friends, you'll be the culmination of those people. But even things like, and we were talking about this, not that you disagree with me, I don't think you've ever thought about it, but even social media stuff, who do they follow?

What is their, even just things like that, you want to pursue somebody who you know is practically putting steps in place to pursue purity. Which I didn't even think about that until you brought that up. And I was thinking, I was like, wait, yeah. That is a really good point. Well, because it's the same way.

It's like if you're a girl and you like this guy and then you go to his page and the top 15 accounts are seductive women that are supermodels and swimsuit models. It's like, well, if that's what they're constantly looking at then like maybe that's not the person that you want to attach your life to. Yeah, which is so true.

So I mean, I think it just kind of goes both ways of like, you know, I'm going to kind of botch it, but, and I'm not really going to articulate what I'm wanting to say, but like, you have to be like the person that, oh gosh. Why don't I- You have to be the person that you want to find. Yeah.

You know what I'm trying to say? Like, it starts with you. Yeah, it starts with you. Like, these qualities you want to have in a person, like you better be pursuing, you better be doing those same things. Like, you can't want this girlfriend or this boyfriend to be all these things if you're not doing it yourself.

It's like, it starts with you. If you're not, you know, putting those practices into place and if you're not doing it yourself. It starts with you. If you're not putting those practices into place and if you're not doing that yourself, then you can't put all that on someone else and expect them to do it if you're not even doing it yourself. So I think it starts with you. So, you know. In hindsight, everything you just said is actually so true.

And some of the things I noticed first about you, I noticed your friends were amazing. I loved your friends. I thought they were like so incredible in just the fact that you were surrounded by them. And not even just your friends, but how you did friendship. Like you were super intentional with the guys in your life. Y'all always had like such great conversations,

went to church together, went to the Red Barn, which is a place in Auburn where y'all would like pray. And you were just, y'all were all so intentional about how you did life. And y'all's Bible study was like really serious. It wasn't just like a casual Bible study. It was like, hey, let's like confess and get better. And then also I noticed how few people you followed

and I really appreciated that. And I felt like, and I didn't know as much of your past life at the beginning as to later how serious you were about just kind of like detoxing that stuff out of your life. But I already had noticed it. And I like really respected that about you. And what was so interesting, Chance, cause we had this conversation last night,

so I kind of know this, but even how you said to Christian, I never even thought about that before you said that. I think that was like so cool to hear you say, even in last night, as we were talking about things, you were like, I did some dumb stuff. I didn't even think it was dumb at the time. And I think like so much, like from a girl,

cause girls do kind of mature faster than guys, you know, in some areas. And so we're like, how could he do that? You know, all this stuff. And then like you talk to a guy and they're like, oh, they're like literally weren't thinking that. Like they weren't even thinking about it. When do you feel like your maturity like flipped

so you started thinking about it? Maybe in the middle of my sophomore year. I think my maturity came once I really wanted to start pursuing God more. And kind of wanted to live a life that was worth living, which I think just that was something that I saw in colleges. I thought college was supposed to be this super fun time. I grew up in the church my whole life,

but I always thought college would be my fun four years, and then I'll get back to this whole relationship with God kind of thing. And that just burnt me out very quickly. I think after a year, after my my full freshman year and then going and playing summer ball and then coming back for the first couple months of sophomore year, I was like, man, this is kind of getting really old and really tiring, just that feeling of waking up and, you know, just regretting what you did last night. But then, like wanting to like just being

one foot in one fat out of how do I have fun in college, but then how do I also, then I also had this desire to follow Jesus because that was how I was born and raised. And so I think kind of once I started to really shift my focus to following Jesus a lot more and starting to leave kind of my worldly desires behind, you know, partying freshman year and just partying on the weekends and all that, I think is whenever I started

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It's so cool. Like I'm so thankful that we met when we did and I got to be in that. Cause like I just think it's so cool. It really is. I remember that, I guess, maturity switch and we all are young and we're all still maturing and we were at the same time you were.

So I'm not saying this is like, you were so young. We were in it too. We were growing too. We were figuring things out and making mistakes too at the same time. Our bigger life changes happened a few years before yours, but we were like growing together. But I still remember like you calling Christian

and like starting to ask like really intentional questions. And our Christian would come to me and be like, listen to what chance you just asked me. And it was like really cool. Like you were thinking like deeply about your faith. And I think it's really cool how you said like, I think it switched when I actually started saying like, I don't want this anymore.

I don't want to start pursuing the Lord. And some of that looks like you talking to Christian about it. And someone actually asked this question. I thought this was really good, but it was how to cultivate a place for spiritual conversations amongst brothers. And I do remember when we first started dating, y'all didn't necessarily talk about spiritual things a lot. I don't know if you could say that about just y'all,

but more just like, I don't remember that being like a huge thing. But then over time, as our relationship kept going, I don't know really what changed. Maybe y'all just started being more open to it, but how did y'all begin to like cultivate a relationship as brothers where you started talking about spiritual stuff? Or did you always do that?

And it was just something I noticed coming in. Well, I think me and you have always been super close. But then definitely once you kind of had your big life change your freshman year of college, and I hadn't quite had that yet. I always just like, I feel like the want to have the spiritual conversations wasn't there because I didn't wanna be called out on what I knew that I was doing was wrong,

but I didn't wanna hear anybody tell it to me, especially not Christian, because as you know, Christian, Christian is very blunt. And his harshness and delivering some stuff to me was just because of how much he cared for me and loved me, which at the time of being 17, 18, 19, you don't see. Well, in part, I came from a place in which I did the same dumb stuff.

Yeah. And you see how it turned out for me, which was not good. Yeah. And then it's like, you're doing the same thing. So it's going to be a similar result. Yeah. But yeah, I just think that it also is delivered that way just because you know how much you care for me.

And you didn't want me to have to experience the same pain and hurt that you had to experience to get to that point. I think that's something so important, especially in all the times that I have gotten to speak to different people. I tell them, listen to what people who are going through have told you things, because it really, you don't wanna find out for yourself. In the sense of when I was 17,

and me and Christian had the one talk in the car, I should have stopped what I was doing and listened to him right there, especially like with how serious the conversation was. But I viewed it as the sense of you already had your fun. Like let me have my fun, and then I'll come to the same realization as you. But what you think is fun in the moment

really leads to pain and hurt. And I think that's the deception of the devil is he makes everything seem super fun, but he's not gonna tell you that sex before marriage or partying on the weekends or doing all this stuff is fun in the moment. But the baggage that it has you carry further on down the road,

because if you knew the pain and hurt that was gonna be coming with it, you wouldn't be engaging in the activity in the first place. I think that's so true, Chance. That's such a good point. And it makes me think of that verse, like the thief comes to kill, steal, and destroy, but I come to give life and life abundantly.

And it's like, when you think about fun, and we kind of have talked about this a few times, like what we thought was fun or that's funny, like you don't have to compromise. It's like what the enemy deceives you in thinking is fun, at the end, it steals, it kills and destroys. And if you think about it for two seconds, any person with common sense will go,

well, that's not fun then, you know? Even if it is like whatever high on the moon, if it steals, kills and destroys, I don't want it. But then there is like fun that you can have fully living in Christ that actually brings life and life abundantly. And you wake up the next day and you're more filled and you have more joy.

And so I think like that's such a good thing to point out. It's like, if someone says something, listen, because they're not trying to steal your fun. They're actually trying to save you from your life being stolen from you. You know? And I think that that's so cool. Cause I think Christian, even if you want to speak to that a little bit about cultivating like conversations

because I do think you were willing to have some of those hard conversations with Chance out of like love. But how would you like encourage people out there to start having those conversations with people that they love that they're seeing like go down a path that maybe you've been on and you're trying to like just help. Yeah.

Well, it is tough cause there is tension. And even after that, you know, like, you know how sometimes spiritual conversations can be hard with people that you both kind of did dump stuff together, if that makes sense? Yeah. It's like, it can kind of just feel weird of like, you know, like doing this crazy stuff together now, like let's be all spiritual.

So it's kind of like a weird tension. You feel like it's like hypocritical, but it's not. It's actually just like your new self. Yeah, it's a tension. And obviously, you know me, I'm like, you know, obviously super spiritual, but I'm not like, I don't like starting off questions like super spiritual. You don't like it to be awkward. Like I would not ask chance like, you know, obviously super spiritual, but I'm not like, I don't like starting off questions like super spiritual.

Like I- You don't like it to be awkward. Like I would not ask chance like- We just like it to be easy going. Like easy going. Yeah, let's just chat. Yeah. Like, and like, what do you, like,

have you been, what have you been struggling with lately? Versus like, you know, just making it like sound spiritual. Yeah, like you're coming and confronting. Like before, like, it just has to be like a confrontation. It can later be a question. That sounds like part of her. And that kind of goes to that Jonah talk, you know? Because it was so cool.

We had this, we were all at the same Sunday service, and Myles was talking about Jonah. And it was so cool because God wasn't like, are you crazy? You're ridiculous. You're so whatever. He was like, is it right for you to be that angry? Like he kept asking questions.

So like it would like prick Jonah's heart to have to answer and come to terms with his own state. And like putting a mirror up in his face is what he was kind of saying. I think that's such a better approach than saying like, you're doing this and you're doing this and confronting it rather than saying like, hey, how are you doing? Like, are you struggling?

And like, what's the person answer. Interesting too, you can have such, like, I feel like you can have very deep conversations that like are led into very casually and easygoing, you know, like, and I feel like that comes too with how close like we all are as a family. I feel like we can just kind of, you know, just ask the question instead of being like, instead of me being like, telling Christian,

it's like, all right, I need to prepare you for this question. You know, it's like, I just kind of say what I'm thinking because I feel like I can just talk to them about those things. Now, whenever I was like, whenever we were first having those conversations, it's definitely something to grow in.

I was like a little more, not necessarily hesitant to ask the questions, but it was almost like the questions were a little harder to ask just since, you know, they are, like you do ask deep questions and it can be a little weird at first whenever you're not really on the same, on the same page. Yeah.

But I feel like, you know, just as we've grown, I feel like we've gotten a lot closer as brothers since, we've always been super close, but I definitely think since COVID happened, I feel like we've gotten a lot closer as brothers since, we've always been super close, but I definitely think since COVID happened, our relationship has just definitely grown a lot more, even in a spiritual sense. And it's just from the comfortability with one another,

just being able to ask those questions and not feel hesitant to kind of like beat around the bush with it. Yeah. But even like today, like you're outside reading and I'm just like, what are you reading? And you're like, Matthew. And we talked about it for, you asked me like,

why does Matthew start with the genealogy of Jesus? And I said why I think he did that. And because it's, you know, like to Jewish people and to Israel descendants, like that's such a core, you know, thing of their history of Abraham to David and then David to Jesus. And just the lineage and just the prophecies, that's what's important.

So we read it, but it's not like, I don't know, I think sometimes we can ask these weird spiritual questions and it's just like, just ask. Well, the thing is, I think what you're saying, and this is what I see y'all do so well, is like, if you want to have a relationship with someone to ask spiritual questions, you have to have a relationship with someone, period.

Like, y'all have such a great relationship. Y'all talk so much that it's not like a left field thing to be like, hey, how's your heart? So you would just say, how's your heart? Cause you care about your heart. And I think the reason it feels weird sometimes to people is because sometimes it feels like, it's like that came out of left field.

Like you haven't cared about my heart in a long time. We haven't even hung out. Like we haven't even like, and because y'all, it's like, if you can laugh together, you can cry together, like y'all have like this well-rounded relationship where it's like, you're going to call each other for anything. And it can be like the smallest thing to like,

hey bro, like what protein powder are you using these days? So like, hey. No, is YouTube TV worth it? Yeah, is YouTube TV worth it? Or like, hey, I'm kind of struggling tonight. But like, that's the beauty of relationship. So I think if you have a relationship with someone, those things flow more naturally.

And then there is a thing to like, sometimes it is hard to shift the conversations when you just have a fun relationship. And I think that comes from vulnerability. I mean, as like Christian, you weren't confronting chance because you knew better, you're confronting chance because you made mistakes and you're trying to like, learn. And me and Bella had a really similar thing,

like Bella and I have always been best friends. We slept in the same bed Christmas Eve and pretty much our whole life, we had two rooms that slept in the same one. I specifically remember even telling Bella, "'Did you hear the reindeer?" And her saying, yes. Like we have a very similar relationship to y'all.

We were like best friends. And not until like two years ago did we get on like a spiritual level. And like, that's so funny, cause we're both like love the Lord and like talk about spiritual things to other people, but like with each other for some reason, it was just weird cause we just never really done that.

And then we went into that retreat together, and I guess we were just really vulnerable with each other in that setting. And since then, we have gotten so much closer. And I didn't even know there was another level to get close to her, but there was once we started literally confessing things to each other. And now we hang out so much on just fun,

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That is being spiritual. You can be spiritual now, rather than being, that's no less spiritual than him being like, so I was like the head of your household, how do you feel like you're shepherding your family? You know, it's like, like it sounds more spiritual, but like it doesn't make it any more spiritual. I think this is like a, this is a side,

this is like a side sermon. It is a side sermon. Because I know you and like what you've been wrestling with. And if you are in church culture sometimes, it can get a little interesting how churchy people talk. And I feel like one of the things Christian and I have really tried to steer from is sounding too churchy, that you lose relatability.

And it's like, you can ask the same question and the same spiritual reality of the question of like, how are you doing as a husband? And then like, how are you separating? And like, yes, and that was a really great example of showing the difference of like just asking a question that equally brings you to God, but one sounds like unrelatable

and one sounds like, hey, how you doing? You're still gonna talk about spiritually. Yeah, I feel good. Like I've been struggling with maybe insecurities and I feel like you can be praying for me in this. Like it still gets back to spiritual. But like, you don't have to word it I've been struggling with maybe insecurities and I feel like you can be praying for me in this. It still gets back to spiritual. You don't have to word it to make it sound overly spiritual.

Because it loses people. And it makes you feel weird. And then you feel like you have to have a church. One time someone asked me, this is a good friend of mine, she's probably gonna hear this, and then this is gonna be funny, but I'll text her about it later. She said, what's your theology behind women in the church?

And I was like, I've never been to seminary, so I don't really know what books I would necessarily say taught me whatever, but I'll just kind of talk about what I learned from the Bible. And I started talking about the woman of the well, and she went, oh, no, that's what I meant by, I just meant like theology, study of the Bible. But it was the way she said it, it made it seem like,

because she said, what's your theology stance? It almost sounded like, who do you align with? Like this person or this person, or this school or this teaching or that thing. Rather than just like what are your thoughts on? And it lost me, and I got nervous, and I thought I had to have a spiritual answer, and I was like, I'm just gonna talk about the Bible,

and instead of making up something, I just told her the truth. And then she was like, no, that's what I meant. And I said, sorry, just the way you asked me, I thought it was more like, who's, I don't know, opinion do I think? And so yeah, it's just like being, and I think that's a good tip too, just like in the world,

like being the light of the world, you're being the light in the world. So the world's not gonna understand these churchy lingoes sometimes, just be real. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say, you don't have to word things super spiritual to get into spiritual conversation with whoever, let alone your brother.

Like, it's as simple as, hey, we've been arrested with anything lately. Like, you don't have to make it sound weird. That was a good side sermon. Just a side sermon, because that bugs me. I want to ask this question because I actually think this is, I'm not going to ask it as a question. I'm going to say the question, then I'm going to say why I'm choosing it, because it's going to ask it as a question. I'm going to say the question,

then I'm going to say why I'm choosing it, because it's going to sound like I'm like, tell me what you love about me, but it's not because of that. But a lot of people ask, like what do you respect about your wives? And that actually was like a common question, like what do you respect about your wife?

And the reason I want to bring this kind of back to a question I already asked was, when we were talking about when you started maturing, and so much of it, you were like, I didn't even know that was done. Like, I didn't even know not to follow accounts on Instagram, or I didn't even know not to post certain pictures. I didn't even know.

And then, like, when you started dating Maya, one thing I saw Maya do really well, and me and Maya have even, like, talked about this in our early dating, is like, just telling y'all, like, kind of what we needed and what we expected, and then y'all would do it. And it wasn't a hard thing.

I'd just be like, hey, I'd rather you not follow this person. Done, unfollow. Hey, I don't want you to post a picture with that person because it makes me feel uncomfortable. I understand that. It wasn't us controlling y'all. And there were times, certainly, where, and we've talked about this.

I've been open about this. I did get jealous of people and was over-controlling in some things. And I look back, and we've talked about this, I've been open about this, I did get jealous of people and was like over controlling in some things. And I look back and I'm like, oh, I hated that I acted like that, but that was out of my own insecurity and hurt. Hindsight, I wish I would have acted better, but I do think that like a lot of it was

y'all respected our opinion and then y'all changed. And so I do think that should the man lead, absolutely. But I do think that the woman does have a place in helping. Just like, kind of just give expectations. And then it's up to you all to say like, yeah, that's good. I want to protect your heart and that. Or even you were honest with me and that's why I love your bluntness.

Hey, like that's crazy. Like you're overthinking it, you know? And then I'd be like, actually, that's one of my favorite things about Christian because a lot of people wouldn't like tell me that. And I was like like you're overthinking it, you know? And then I'd be like, actually, that's one of my favorite things about Christian because a lot of people wouldn't like tell me that. And I was like, you're right, like that is, like that's too far or whatever. And so you are really good at handling the balance of that.

So, cause I don't want girls to be like, oh yeah, now I can go tell my boyfriend, like he needs to blah, blah, blah. And then poor guys like stop listening to that, well that's good. And it's another, it's a two-way street as well. I remember when me and Maya first started talking, dating, I remember like her,

she was at like this one like friend hangout and posted a picture just like of a group of people, but her like ex was there. And I remember I was calling y'all and I was like, am I being crazy? Being like, asking her why she's there. Like, I don't wanna be this controlling boyfriend. And I don't even think we were dating yet.

I was like, I don't wanna be this controlling person, but our relationship was leading towards dating. And I was like, I don't wanna be this controlling person, but our relationship was leading towards dating. And I was like, I don't wanna be this controlling person in this sense. And actually some really good advice. But this is for- Is this your bestie's advice you're gonna be giving? No, this is just really good advice.

This is really good relational advice. Christian was telling me, I was asking him, like, is that right that it bothers me about that? And Christian was saying, it doesn't matter. Like, that if it bothers you, then she should care. And if she doesn't care, then that's a red flag. And then after he told me that, I was like, okay, boom, I'm just gonna go in and say it then. Cause at first I was super nervous.

And then after you told me that, I was like, yeah, wait, what do I have to worry about? So I'm just going to present how I feel. And if she respects the way I feel, then awesome. And if she doesn't, then we're going to need to chat about that. Yeah, I remember that. That was really good advice, actually.

Well, because I actually was, I had a friend, whose brother called me a few weeks ago. And he was saying like like he's in this relationship and like his, I don't really think they're following Jesus right now, but his girlfriend like wears, like she wears these inappropriate things whenever they go out and it bothers him. And he says like, hey, that bothers me,

but like she doesn't change it. And I'm like, look, like, you know, y'all are just dating. I was like, it's gonna be a long road for you if like she thinks that's, you know, holding to a higher standard of like, hey, I don't really appreciate it when you dress like that. You know? So like even things like that,

it's like if something bothers you and you reciprocate it, and it's kind of like pushed off or being like, like that shouldn't bother you. Like then it's like, that is a red flag because like you can only suppress things like that for so long to where it's like, it just gets tired. It's like, if you did something all the time that annoyed me and you never change it,

then clearly I would feel like you don't really care that that offended me. I think that's so true and so much of it is just like, how do they steward your heart? Because you gotta protect your heart. And I think when you're giving your heart to someone, you're also entrusting them to protect your heart as well. And so just seeing if they care.

Because even for me, even in the things I said, man, I wish I did differently and you helped me so much. And you didn't come at me like I said you're crazy, but you didn't say that. Like you're like, I understand. I'm not that blunt. I understand in past relationships, you know, this made you feel this way. This is not the same thing.

Like I'm not the past. This is me, you trust me. Have I ever given you a reason? And like reminded me of truth, you know? And that was like really protecting my heart because you were like, yeah, I didn't need that. I didn't need to think like that. But so much of it's like, I didn't know any better,

because I had done relationships so differently before I met you. And different than the way that you did relationships differently before you met me, it just was, they just looked different. And so I think, yeah, you're learning together. And so much of it is being honest with each other about where you're at, what your expectations are,

and then seeing how the other person responds. So important in dating. Man, that's so important in dating because you're seeing what kind of spouse you're gonna have and if they care about the things that you care about. So- And if they don't, then they shouldn't be your spouse. Yeah.

And I love that you say the way that they, like the way that you steward it because there's definitely different ways to go about how to handle those confrontations, of like, how are you bringing up the conversation? It's like, if you lead the conversation in a negative way and like make the person put up walls, then the conversation is not gonna go well,

they're gonna shut down and they're not gonna wanna listen to you. They're gonna be afraid to talk to you about it. Yeah, exactly. Whereas, if you come into it, it's like how you said Christian didn't say, you're crazy, but he led into it in a lot kinder of a way. Whereas if he just started off saying, you're crazy.

I would've been defensive. Exactly. But I was like open to hearing it. And I was like, you're right. Like I am insecure because of whatever reason, then it leads to like a vulnerable conversation. And so like, man, like if you're afraid to have those conversations in dating, then I would argue that you shouldn't be dating

because I think dating is to hopefully lead you towards marriage, and that's how I'm not first date. I think people overthink that. I'm talking about, as you're getting into the relationship, if you're afraid to have hard conversations, then I don't think you're ready for marriage. Because marriage, like you said, this would be a long road for you

if you're not willing to like say something that bothers you and just talk about it. And if you don't have a relationship where you can't even say that and it not become like that, that didn't even have to be a big thing. I can just be like, oh yeah, sorry, you know, like I didn't even know. So I think that's such a good point.

This is first of, going so good. And so I'm just so appreciative of this. And y'all are both, I mean, you're my husband, you're my brother-in-law, but beyond that, I just really mean this when I say y'all are such good men for people to look up to, guys and girls, and set such a great example and inspiration. And I know it was kind of like a random like,

oh, like chance to come on the podcast, but it's so not random. Like this is like, you have such a voice and like, if you're not following Chance on social media, then you need to, because he even has a blog not by chance and does all kinds of stuff and like just speaks so much life over people.

And so I just don't want to end this conversation because I know like so many guys and girls are learning so much from this. I want to ask you because we talked a little bit about, well, first I'll ask you about this because there are a lot of parents who listen to this podcast. And mostly, I mean, there's a lot of older parents listening to this too, but a lot of new parents

who are like raising boys. There's a lot of moms who are like, I have three little boys, four little boys, I have a little boy, like, how did I raise him to be a strong Christian man? How do I raise my brothers to love each other? And like, obviously that's a huge question, but what are things that you saw your parents do,

hindsight, that you look at and you're like, man, they did a good job of cultivating our relationship, but also just kind of pouring into us becoming the godly men that we are. Yeah, we were talking about this on the way over. I think something that our parents did such a great job of. I mean, you're gonna laugh at this, but this was, this was pre-high school.

This is, this was, yeah, whenever we were younger. Growing up. Growing up, but I think something that was super important is whenever we had a dinner at home, it was all four of us and we were all present. There was no TVs on. We would pray before the meal, you know, and it would just be us four eating dinner at the house.

And I was telling Christian, like, I think that that was such a big thing in our household is because, you know, I mean, obviously some families aren't as fortunate in the sense of, like, some parents have to work double jobs, some parents have to do different things to provide for their families. But I just think, for us, like, our whole family getting

together at one point in the day, no phones, just getting to interact with one another, see how each other's day was. I thought that that was huge. I thought that that just instilled, you know, like, a great sense of community. Like, there was no going up to your room with your dinner. There was no taking your dinner onto the couch

to continue watching your show. It was like, you stopped what you were doing. When dinner was ready, we came, we prayed, and we ate. I feel like y'all still do that. Like I feel like- I was meaning like you were gonna be like, y'all ate out all the time. Yeah, which we do.

No, but eating out's good too. It's not y'all are together. But I mean like cultivate were gonna be like, y'all eat out all the time. Yeah, which we do, we do eat out. Eating out's good too. It's like y'all are together. But I mean like cultivate like in our house, like sitting at the table together. Yeah, no, I feel like y'all do that so well. I feel like that was something I loved about your family whenever I joined your family is like all of our dinners.

Those are some of the times I got to know your parents the most was over dinner, cause there was no distractions and we were just like sitting and talking. Some of the funniest like stories I've heard y'all tell have been over the dinner table moments. So I mean, I don't think it matters if you eat out, you bring food in, or you cook.

No, I know. I actually love y'all's family dinners, and I think y'all have done a really good job with that. And obviously, you spoke to it just a second ago. But yeah, if you listen to this and you don't have, you don't have both your parents present, your parents are divorced, you've lost a parent, like you don't, that's not your story,

then it's kind of a tough thing to speak to. But if you're listening to this and you do have, like if you're listening to this and you're a mom or you're a dad and you are married, you do have siblings, like don't let, like an excuse of being busy keep you from cultivating that. For sure. Like so don't let like an excuse of being busy keep you from cultivating that. Like so don't let that be your excuse

of why you can't make that happen. So for sure. I think that's something that our parents did so well as I feel like I've never seen two more busy people that have made more time for the two of us growing up. Which was awesome. I was gonna say that. I think they're so involved.

Like both of them have been like so involved in your life. They don't miss a thing. Like, and they talk to y'all every single day to like hear about your life, like be intentional about knowing your life. And then like y'all stories from high school are so funny of like y'all getting in trouble and stuff. But like your mom was on it.

Like she was not letting, she was not letting us lie because like she cared about y'all and they wanted to know about your life. I'm like, what's going on? Your dad's just been like super, super present in your life, like that's such a blessing. And I think that that has really been generational in your family because it is so rare

that you guys have this, but like Bo said to grandparents and like all of your aunts and uncles, like none of them have been divorced. Like that's,. That's crazy. That's almost unheard of. And y'all have, I feel like y'all's grandparents have said a great job of what marriage looks like and being involved in your parents' life.

And your parents have done a good job of doing that in y'all's life. And it's really, really beautiful. And I feel like, again, I know it's so hard if you have not had that, but you can be the start of that for the generations to come. Like it takes one person to go like, hey, I'm gonna start that from my family line

and back to the genealogy of Matthew. Like that was what was so powerful is like from person to person, from generation to generation, God's faithfulness. And yeah, there was a lot of messed up stuff in between and God redeems and then someone else would pick it back up. Like Ray had the prostitute, but hey,

look, she's in the line of Jesus, you know? And so like, you can make mistakes, but still be redeemed. Like, that actually is a really good point. If you go read the Genial of Jesus, like, it all got to Jesus coming, but like, there's some messed up people in that. But I think your family, like from generations, far generations that I know of your family,

strong marriages, present parents, cousins close, like you guys make intentional moments to be around each other and you value the time spent, which is like really rare and really, really special. That's true. Okay, so the other thing I wanted to ask, because we kind of talked about this with like baseball and stuff,

like you're in the minor leagues right now, you've obviously like worked your whole life towards this and even being on the minor leagues is such a You've obviously worked your whole life towards this. And even being on the minor leagues is such a huge accomplishment in and of itself and so wild. And I was even thinking about this with you too, Christian, because you've started 4.8 Min, years of doing a podcast, starting the PDFs and stuff. And someone asked this question of, as a man,

how do you deal with not being where you want to be in your career? And I feel like, even though you all both have accomplished so much, I'm not saying this in like, oh, y'all shouldn't with not being where you want to be in your career? And I feel like even though y'all both have accomplished so much, I'm not saying this in like, oh, y'all shouldn't be proud of where you are because I feel like y'all should be so proud of where both of you are.

But because I know both of you have more dreams, obviously you want to make it to the majors. You've talked to me about wanting to grow for it, man, and what that is. How do you deal with that in between a working tour or something, but you're just not there yet? Yeah. I think that we had like a good conversation

about that last night in the car of, you know, like, yes, you can want things, but it's also important to recognize where God has you and realize that God has you there for a purpose. You know, if God wanted me to be a big leaguer this year, then it would have happened somehow, some way, but there's still things that he's developing in me, whether that's teaching me how to fail,

because like, what am I gonna do whenever I'm in the big leagues, hopefully one day, and it's on TV in front of thousands of fans and it's not in front of my teammates and the couple hundred that show up for the minor league games, you know? So it's like teaching you, like teaching me failure,

teaching me to be a good teammate, teaching me to be a light in the locker rooms before gaining more influence potentially, you know? It's all these kinds of things as to why He has you in certain places before, I guess, elevating you or wanting you to have more. So I think just as cliche as it sounds like we were talking about,

you just really have to trust God with that. He has you where you're supposed to be at. It's so true. And elevates to that. It's not just a wasted season. you're supposed to be at. It's so true. And I love that you said that. It's not just, it's not a wasted season. You're learning so much there. And if you don't get the lessons in that, you wouldn't be ready for what's to come.

And that's so true. It's frustrating in the moment, but it's so true. And later you're like, oh, I'm thankful I went through that because then I'd be up here on the main stage and not be ready for what life prepared me for. And I think that's also cool too, is how you say ready, like yeah,

God's not gonna put you in a position that you're not ready for, that then you're gonna fail at, you know, it's like, He's gonna make sure that you're ready for the position that He ultimately has for you. Yeah, that's so good, I love that. Yeah, no, that's good. Cause you don't, that's the thing too,

and it sounds, it's such a cliche answer of just trust, trust where God has you and just follow his plan and those kinds of things too. But I think sometimes, even realizing that contentment doesn't equal complacency. You don't just be like, oh, I'm just in high aid, like I'm just, I'm just in high A. I'm content with where I'm at because this is where God has me.

But I'm not going to strive to do more or to do better. There's still a hunger for more. There's still a hunger to succeed and do. And even with what I'm doing, there's more things I want to do, but I'm still content with where I'm at. But that doesn't mean that I'm just complacent every day and being like, well, I'm just not going to do anything because this is where I'm at. But that doesn't mean that I'm just complacent every day and being like, well, I'm just not gonna do anything. Cause it's like, I'm still actively seeking things,

but I'm not like, because I do know, and it's the same for you. It's like, if you were to do more things than what you're doing, then that means certain things take a backseat, right? That means maybe less time at home or less time us together or less time as a family, whatever that could look like. So like seasons come and seasons go,

like each season is different and just be content with where you're at. Like that doesn't mean you have to just be stagnant and not do anything. Like you can still be actively working towards something and still be grateful for where you're at and be content in that moment and where God has you, but still be striving to do more and to do better.

So true. I don't know if this is true because I just had this thought, so fact check. But I think it's mostly true. When you think about Bible stories, it's very rare that God did everything for them. You know what I mean? And especially, let alone immediately.

No, but God opened the door? Like, God- And especially, let alone immediately. No, but like, God opened the door for them, or God called them, but like, they had to get up and walk. Like, they had to do it, you know? Even like, the guy with the mat, like, you want to be healed, pick up your mat. Like, you, even like Moses, like, I want you to go back to Egypt. Like, yeah, I'm going to send all these crazy, you know,

plagues, I'm going to do all this, and I'm actually going to make the sea split for you, but like, you got gotta walk yourself there. You gotta stand before Pharaoh. You gotta lead a generation out. Like even Peter, like he was fishing, he was a fisherman, he was doing a job and he's like, I'm gonna make you Fisher a man.

Like there was like something they were doing that then God elevated them to like another level and God made a way for them to get there, but it was still out of like their doing to that got them there. So I love it. It's like, yes, I'm content where I'm at, but I'm also gonna work where I'm at.

Like, yes, God, I'm gonna ask you to like, to move in my life in ways only you can. Like you said, if you want me to be in the big leagues, like make a way, but I'm gonna work my butt off so that when the way is made, I'm ready, you know, to step into it. So I don't know if that's always true. There's probably stories in the Bible

that God's like, boom, and did it. But I do think like most of the time, I mean, even Joshua, like they stood on dry ground, all of them, there was like, there's motion involved. There was like, yes, God moved, God acted. It was amazing, it was huge, but they had a part to play in it too, and hard work. And waiting, that's what I'm saying. It's motion.

Waiting and working. Yeah, but there's also waiting. Abraham kept questioning God's promise because he's like, we're 100, and she didn't conceive until later. So if you want more, if you feel like you're maybe not where God's called you to, but you're in this season, like it's just a waiting season. It's, you know, which sounds cliche to say to someone who like wants to get out of it, but it is true. And there's so many people in the Bible that, you know, went through the same thing. Yeah. And it's so true. Y'all, this is so good. I mean, circling back. So yeah, I can't think of the best piece of advice that I've ever gotten, but a quote that I saw

that was really cool, that I think can literally apply to everything, and it's cool. It said, the chains of habit are too weak to be felt until they are too strong to be broken. Whoa, that's good. Bang. I'm still thinking the chains of habit. The chains of habit are too weak to be felt

until they are too strong to be broken. It's actually so true. Because that is, and it can be with anything. It's like if you don't work at something or if you do negative things for your life, think about just like with anything, you know? It's like if you don't work at something or if you do negative things for your life, you know, and think about just like with sin, it's like you don't realize how big of a grasp it has on you until you try to quit.

And then you realize like how strong those things are. That's so true. Like I remember in middle school, whenever I was at a camp and the song, Slow Fade started playing, I started crying. I was like, it's slow fade when you give yourself away. Y'all remember that song? Oh my gosh, it hit me in my heart.

I don't even know. Speaking of songs, was that yesterday? We did not realize that yesterday, David Crowder wrote every move I make. Waves of mercy. Maybe we're wrong, but I think he did. Okay, if we're wrong, but I think he did. OK, if we're wrong.

You Googled it, didn't you? I know, but maybe other people wrote it first. I think I Googled this yesterday. On the way to church. I was going to say, I was like, how did I miss this in the car? Oh my gosh. Well, truly, that was a good moment and a good episode.

Chance, thanks. You didn't feel like a rookie. You're going to now have to be a regular. Thank you. I was like, not thinking rookie. You're gonna now have to be a regular. You felt like I Was like not thinking rookie But then I was gonna say like season like veteran, you know, I guess veteran would be the word season that okay season fit Amateur wasn't what I wanted to say, but it was like you're trying to think along I lines. Yeah. I know what you're saying.