WHOOP Podcast - Nelly Korda: What It Really Takes to Win Under Pressure

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

This week on the WHOOP Podcast, World No. 1 Golfer, Nelly Korda, returns to the WHOOP Podcast to reflect on her incredible career at the top of professional golf and the lessons she’s learned through both the wins and the setbacks. From betting on herself as a 17-year-old to becoming World No. 1 and a multiple major champion, Nelly shares how the highs and lows have shaped the athlete and person she is today.Nelly joins WHOOP Founder & CEO Will Ahmed to discuss the routines, recovery strategies, and mindset that help her perform under pressure. Nelly opens up navigating the pressure of being the face of women’s golf, learning to tune out outside expectations, and making a conscious decision to show up more authentically as herself. On the green, that means trusting her instincts, accepting that she won’t always have her best game, moving on from mistakes, and finding the resilience to give the next shot everything she has.From prioritizing habits around sleep and listening to her body to knowing when to lock in and when to step away, Nelly highlights the power in trusting your own process and staying on your own course. Support the showFollow WHOOP:Sign up for WHOOP Advanced LabsTrial WHOOP for Freewww.whoop.comInstagramTikTokYouTubeXFacebookLinkedInFollow Will Ahmed:InstagramXLinkedInFollow Kristen Holmes:InstagramLinkedInBuy Aligned by Dr. Kristen Holmes: Follow Emily Capodilupo:LinkedIn 

She's gotta stay comfortable today. It was like a year of nothing really flowing, just like a mental battle against myself. It was just like me versus me. And I told myself after the year, I don't ever want to feel like that. I think that was the hardest thing is like I kept hearing outside voices of like,

we want you to do this, you should do this, and I was like kind of battling with it. But then came this year and I was like, I'm gonna be authentic. If people like me for me, that's great. That's how I want to come across. cross. When I stepped back and looked at it, I was like, I'm not always going to have my A game. So I think I just had this like mindset change of like, I'm not going to say I'm screwed. I'm just going to say I'll look at it. I'll hit it again and I'll figure it out. Well, welcome back to the podcast too, by the way. So when you're playing your best golf, do you feel like in a sense you're not really thinking that much? You're just seeing your target and visualizing your shot. It's almost like a blackout. stage, right? When you get asked about my best rounds in tournaments, it's almost like you just black

out, you're in like the flow of just playing, visualizing, seeing, and executing. Flow state. Yeah. Yeah, flow state for sure. You're not like, oh, at the top of my swing, I'm going to come a little more inward because I need to have this guy like this. No, then I would be like, four right, four left. Like that's the worst recipe for me. Not saying that's the worst recipe for someone else, but that would be the worst recipe for me. But that would be the worst recipe for me. You know, it must be harder for other golfers to talk to you about their golf game, because I feel like a lot of pro golfers are totally thinking about their swings, like, all the time. Yeah, I mean, I get into stages. So when I'm home, it's pretty technical. I do not like to be

on the range for hours. There are times where I've spent four hours on a range when I really need to, but again, it comes to like the timing of your season. So if you're in off season and you need to do technical work, then I'll spend that time. But when I'm like home for a week and I don't really want to exert so much energy, just beating balls on a range and I want to go out and play and stay in that kind of flow state of not going back home but still wanting to kind of still be in the competition mindset, then I don't. I beat balls for maybe 45 minutes, check my positions and go. But I always say it's so hard for really good athletes to be coaches. because it's really hard to explain what you're feeling.

Totally. It's interesting. Very unique to every person. So do you find what, like, someone like Deschambo does at tournaments? Like, totally crazy. Yeah. I don't relate to kind of what he does. I mean, but everyone, I would say everyone has their own recipe, right?

And whatever you kind of toss in, like, you've got to be confident in what you do. And it works for him, but it just definitely wouldn't work for me. Well, your approach makes a lot of sense to me just from like an intuitive standpoint of how success must feel when you're playing well. And then maybe in a way it also does it feel like a little bit less like work? Like sometimes you listen to a golfer, talk about their round. Yeah. And it sounds so much like it was a grind. Like there was so much work and I was trying to find my swing out, you know.

But I feel like when you're at your best, which certainly has been the case this year, you don't really have. that? I would say that I've never won a tournament with my A game. And it's so unique in golf because I, like last year, I struggled where Thursday I, let's say, had my A game. Friday, I had my B game. And then Saturday, Sunday, I had like my C game. So every day was like different for me. And that's the thing about golf is like every round is different. The winds a different direction. PIN positions are a little different. Your body maybe feel a little different. So I wouldn't say it's always been easy for me. Maybe it looks like it's easy for me, but there has been a lot of times where it's like, okay, what am I doing here? Like this year

during the U.S. Women's Open, like I hit no greens. I was just an up and down queen that week. And I had to have a mindset change of like, okay, I'm not hitting the ball good. Like I just need to go out and grind. And those are the those are literally the most tiring rounds when it's, let's say the weather is really windy and you're having to concentrate more, you're having to be way more creative and also the days that you're like not hitting it well because you really have to like lock in in a different mindset. That makes sense to me. So if you compare 2025 to 26, I mean, so end of 24, you're world number one.

You go into 25, big expectations. You don't win any tournaments. You lose the number one world ranking. and then in 26, you bounce back. Now you've won two majors in a row. You're world number one again. Like, talk to me a little bit about that evolution. I think I just had to learn.

I think 2024 came in really hot. All, like the spotlight came in on me, and everyone was asking me, you're the face of golf, what are you going to do? You're the face of golf, or women's golf, what are you going to do? Like, what are you doing for the sport? And it was a lot. I'm not going to lie.

It was like a lot for me to kind of get over that hurdle. I think I went into 2025, not really too comfortable in my own skin. I was still grinding. I was still in the gym. But it just like wasn't working out. Like it was one of those moments where it's like inches, centimeters away. And it could have been a completely different story. But that was just what I felt like my year was. It was like, okay, if I was an inch to the left, like, I wouldn't have been in this divot and I wouldn't have hit that shot. And I hit myself. out of the tournament. So it was like a year of like nothing really flowing, just like a mental battle against myself. It wasn't against anyone else. It was just like me versus me. And I told

myself after the year, I don't ever want to feel like that anymore. Like in a sense, like if I would have put down my clubs after 2025, I would have still been very proud of my career and everything that I've accomplished, but my drive is like what I want to achieve, my internal want in the sport. And kind of not the legacy of it, but my drive for competition and playing against the best players in the world. And I think if I, when I stepped back and looked at it, I was like, I'm not always going to have my A game. And when I miss it here and there by an inch or centimeter, like, I can't get so frustrated.

I have to just build a bridge and get over it. hit the next shot and give it my all. Like I wanted to be authentic to myself. I wanted to do what I wanted to do when it came to media, when it came to anything that people wanted me to do. I think that was the hardest thing is like I kept hearing outside voices of like, we want you to do this, you should do this. And I was like kind of battling with it a little bit.

But then came this year and I was like, I'm going to be authentic. If people like me for me, like that's, great. That's how I want to come across. So I think I just had this like mindset change of like, I'm not going to say I'm screwed. I'm just going to say I'll look at it, I'll hit it again, and I'll figure it out. Like that's going to be my mindset. And there are weeks where it's a lot easier than others. Like sometimes the pressure does compound and it gets a little harder. But I think the more I learn and the more I've been put in this position, I can step back and be like, I don't want to feel like this. are you doing here, you're reverting back to what you told yourself you don't want to do,

it's time to have a mindset change. Well, there's a lot of pressure that comes with people telling you you're the face of a sport and, you know, all the opportunities that you get with that are a blessing, but they're also distracting. And you've got a lot of people that are saying, hey, maybe you should be approaching it this way or that way. You've got more voices. I feel like in your area, you got a lot of people reaching out to you. We've had the privilege of working with people in your situation where you have become the face of your sport. It's a recurring theme I've heard where that rise when you're at the top then, it can be a little disorienting. And it sounds like you felt like you had to navigate that, especially last year. For sure. And also what I told

myself is like, unfortunately, like this isn't my forever. Like I'm not going to be a golfer until, like, at the top of the game until I'm like 60, right? Like, in a sense, like athletes, it's not a forever thing. So you may as well enjoy where you are being at the top, being in the face, seeing it as like an amazing experience versus something that is coming with a lot of baggage. And it's something I'd had to learn myself. Like some people have it from the get-go and some people have had to learn through situations that they didn't want to really necessarily be in, but eventually learned like they were very grateful for it. Well, it's also been an interesting couple of years for golf and for women's sports at large.

So in golf, you've got kind of this fracturing going on on the men's side with Liv and PGA. And so in some ways, I feel like people have been looking for stability from a golf standpoint. And then separately, I feel like there's been this huge boom around women's sports. And I think women's golf is certainly part of that, the WMBA. Like, do you feel like either of those things have added to the pressure? for this? I would say that there maybe is a heightened pressure for the women's game to kind of leap

like basketball did and soccer did where you know there you see that they are talking about all the amazing personalities, all the amazing players and then they obviously get the break in the

network TV that they have like all the spotlight so I think maybe as an organization the LPGA has felt a little bit more pressure because everyone is like catapulting forward. Like they're all just like kind of reaching for the stars. And, you know, we had a little bit of a hiccup with our commissioner. Now we have a great one.

So I think right now we just need to continue growing and kind of investing. I think everyone's investing in women's sport, which is amazing to see. Unfortunately, the LPJ gets compared to the PJ tour a lot when it comes to prize money and everything like that. But I think the main thing that the LPGA one is also just equal respect that the PGA tour does. I know that prize money is a very big subject, but also I think equal respect is a big subject for us as players because we just want the chance to show the talent out there. I mean, that makes sense. And I want to go back to you were talking earlier about when your game feels a little bit off or when you want to work on something, like you'll do a bunch

of technical work, but then when you show up to a tournament, you want it to feel more visual, more creative, more intuitive. When you go through a season where you're not winning as much, like in 2025, did you find that you were, you needed to focus then more on the technical side or that when you were showing up for tournaments, then you were kind of less in that intuitive and flow state? I mean, these things can sometimes build on themselves. Yeah. I would say when I start to struggle, I start to practice more at events. Yeah, right.

And that's kind of, but you have to go through that. Like, there are times where, like, you just have to feel like you've internally checked something off the list where you feel accomplished, like, in anything that you do in life. So I felt like I needed to grind a little bit more at tournaments, but I don't practice at all at tournaments. I like go out there, warm up, go play, and leave. Like that is my mindset during tournaments. Like I don't want to go out there and like practice. You're not working on something. No, I'm there to play.

And that's like a mindset thing for me because if I'm out there working on something, then I get technical and I don't want to feel like that at tournaments. In tournament play, you're almost never standing over a ball thinking about like the form of how you would hit that ball. No, if I'm thinking about something, I'm thinking about 10. tempo. And that is something that I sometimes obviously can't see or feel because feel versus real is very different. So I've been with my caddy for nine years. And if I miss hit a shot, I'll ask him, be like, did you see anything there? He's like, yeah, your transition was too fast. So then I'll just concentrate more on my tempo. So the next time you're doing a practice swing,

you'll be thinking about it. Correct. I'll just like do my little Coca-Cola thing. and the next swing, yeah. But I'll say it in my head. I'll actually say Coca-Cola, and I'll just concentrate on that. That's your tempo. Yeah, it is. Coca-Cola. Yeah.

And where did you get that from? My dad. And where did he get that from? Probably being obsessed with Coca-Cola. I don't know. I mean, I know from tennis a lot of what he did was always like very tempo-based. So if you like look at my dad, even his fluidity was amazing when he played. And I would say that's a cross-level.

aboard what we've seen across like my brother, myself, and my sister, we all have really good tempo, but that was something that was taught. Well, it's a family of professional athletes, so there's got to be a lot of tips flying. What's something else you've picked up from your family members? Gosh, there's a lot. I mean, they're the first, like, my dad's and my mom are the first people that I, like, call when I'm going through something, or I have my dad come out when I'm struggling. struggling or I call my sister when I'm at tournaments.

Like there's so much in this like the family dynamic that I just rely on them so much, which I am extremely grateful for. I know that isn't the case with a lot of families. There's a lot of knowledge in that household and I'm extremely grateful for it. But I would say the one thing that my dad always preached and my parents, my mom as well, was you see people your age booming up to the top and you're kind of like stalled and you haven't like necessarily figured everything out yet you're still like going step by step like that's okay like you have your own course like you have your own train you guys are all going

to the same final destination but maybe theirs is going a little faster but you're still going that way and just to stay your course it seems like a very healthy relationship with your parents which at least i think could be more unusual in individual professional sports where an athlete gets to be number one. And in the background, there's like this hard driving father or something who's like on them all the time. And they kind of have this tortured relationship. And it doesn't seem like what you're dealing with at all.

No, like there I think main thing was always being passionate about what we were doing. Like they didn't care what we were if we were in business school. They didn't care if we were athletes. Like they just wanted us to be passionate. And there was multiple times like in junior golf, I played USAM once in my entire life. And I played US girls. I didn't play US girls once.

And I didn't get selected for Curtis Cup. I didn't get selected for Junior Rider Cup because every summer I had off because my parents wanted me to be a kid. They didn't want me to be burnt out. Yes. That's like a confident, well, we were pro athletes parenting move, you know. Like we know what we're doing. Yeah.

And I just think that. it helped me a lot with kind of developing the passion for golf because I was eager to get back and play and practice after like having a summer off. Today that would be unusual right? Very. I mean it was already unusual back then because like all the girls that I'm with on tour like they were all on those teams around my age. Yeah they're probably like where did this quarter come from. I know. Why didn't she have to grind in his 15 year old? I mean I made junior Solheim Cup once and then I went to Q school and I was between going to college for a year and trying to go to Q school or petitioning the commissioner who at the time was Mike Juan to go to Symmetra tour

and I sat down with my coach and my dad and my coach was like the longer you are in college there the more distractions and the less of a chance you have of succeeding at on tour so looking at you at it now, like, for going my college scholarship and just betting on myself and being a rookie at 17 years old on Symmetra, which is now Epson, back in the day it was Symmetra, is a crazy move. Like, but it worked out. Like, I wouldn't change it for the world. I was a little bit more under the radar out there.

I learned what life on tour was like, managing expenses. playing multiple weeks in a row, which I didn't do because I didn't play a lot throughout the year. And yeah, I was just kind of learning what life on tour was like. And then I finished ninth on the money list, earned my tour card, and then the rest of the history, I've been on the LPJ since. If you could go back and change things about your career, would you change anything? Nothing. No. I'm extremely grateful for all the highs and all the lows. Like, they've all shaped me to be the way I am. I get asked that question a lot, like as an entrepreneur, like, oh, now knowing what you know,

like, what would you go back and change? And I always say, you know, I'm happy with where I am today. And I don't think I would be where I am today if all the things didn't happen exactly the way they did. Yeah, exactly. I think the most beneficial thing that ever happened to me was actually the roller coaster, like the lows after the highs. Because then that is what grounds you and makes you realize, like, how great the highs are. and you want to get back to it. And you know that you can because it is like life is just a roller coaster. Like it's going to throw you a curveball here and there. Let's a good segue, actually.

Let's do the roller coaster of your recovery scores during two championship wins here. Okay. Yeah. So Thursday to Sunday at the Chevron. I'm pretty impressed. that you won that tournier. I had a great day on the final day. Yeah, well, for sure.

But so talk me through, you've got a 54% and then a 24% on the Thursday and the Friday. So I was late early. So that's the worst. The quick turnaround. Yeah. Yes. So obviously you get done really late. It was so hot in Houston as well.

So very draining. And being out on the golf course and a three ball for like five and a half. hours and then coming back, having dinner really quickly, getting treatment for an hour, and then having to wake up at like 4.35 a.m. I think that's where the red came in. I feel like for me, like the hardest thing during tournaments is when I have a red number, I don't immediately shoot up to a green. Like it's like a gradual kind of effect. You don't work your way back. Yeah, because then I had a late tea time on Saturday and I got to sleep in a little bit. For me, like being a golfer, when I'm home, I wake up early, so I have a hard time sleeping in, unless I'm jetlight coming from

the West Coast, then I can sleep in. But I have to go to sleep at 9 p.m. Like, that is, like, when everything shuts off. Like, my phone goes away. I actually have been using this thing called the brick, so it breaks my social media at 745, so I'm off of it. Wow. Yeah, and that's actually helped a lot this year. That's actually like a physical product, right? Yeah. So, it's like a little device like this big and I just travel with it. And essentially hacks your phone and blocks everything. Like at home, I put it in the kitchen. So I like actually can't doomscroll in bed in the morning or at night. Like I have to get out of bed and unbreak this device. Do you wake up with the whoop alarm? Like what wakes you up?

When I'm staying with people, then I use the whoop alarm. Yeah. But when I am like, let's say for a really early morning alarm. Like I am setting three of them to make sure I wake up. Yeah, but I always have the WIP alarm as well too. So it's like I'm setting four. Now, you've obviously been on WOOP for a long time. When you see like a 24% recovery during, you know, a championship week, like do you get affected by that or does it change how you think about the day at all? I just know I have to probably lock in a little bit more, like just concentrate on everything that I'm doing just a tiny bit more. I'm going to feel a little bit sluggish. Like when I feel off, I immediately tell Jason my catty.

And I'm like, I don't feel great today. I am just letting you know. So like if I make a mistake, like it could affect me a little bit more because you're a little bit more agitated. I feel like that's just normal in life. You have a little bit less mental resilience. Yeah, correct. Because you may be a little tired.

Yeah. So I always give everyone a fair warning. And then I kind of just lock in a little bit more. Okay, now going into the Sunday, I mean, that's almost a sign too that you've won a lot of tournaments before, that you're not, I mean, it seems like from your date at least you weren't like more nervous Saturday night than you were on any other day. What was really nice about both of my, both the Chevron championship and U.S. Women's Open was I had everyone there. I had my parents. I had my fiance. I had my sister and I had Grayson, my nephew. So everyone was there. They made me feel. so relaxed and I was when I got off the golf course we were just playing with Grayson like everything that was like kind of going on on the golf course stayed on the golf course and I was just very present with my family and I think that's

actually what really helped this year with like both of these championships is like I had like my people my like Zen zone and I just like escaped reality and I knew what was on the line like I went into Sunday with a massive lead. Like, my sister was giving me a pep talk on the putting green right before the round on Sunday, which I asked her to. And she, like, everyone was so great. Like, I just felt like I was, like, very at peace. And I always prioritized my sleep. Like, that's one thing I'm really, really crazy about during tournament weeks is my sleep. And what do you do to improve your sleep? I feel like I'm really good, but obviously, you know, magnesium, um, learning more about your body. I think that is

something that also that I've invested in this year is doing more in-depth tests about what my body lacks and what I need to fill it with. What are examples of that? Nutrition, one, is learning more about what my body absorbs, what it doesn't absorb and what's good for it, what doesn't, and then obviously, like, when it comes to just like my magnesium, any type of, like, on a golf course, obviously with how many pesticides they use. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, so as a female with our hormones, like that really affects our hormones. Interesting.

So making sure that's in check too, which I feel like doesn't get talked about enough. But being on a golf course full of pesticides, like that takes a really big hit for female athletes, female golfers. All right, let's talk about U.S. Open. I mean, this looks pretty textbook. Just steadily improving your recovery every day. Early morning round. So early late is the formula. Early late.

So for people who don't understand that, it means she teed off first thing on Thursday and then late on Friday. Yeah. Correct. Right. And then you tee off late actually on Saturday and Sunday if you're doing well in the tournament. Correct.

Yeah. And again, I had my family there, so it was pretty relaxed. Obviously still super nervous when I got to the golf course. And again, like, prioritized my sleep a lot that week. And your feelings on Saturday night or Sunday morning? Sunday morning, I was nervous, but I had my sister's friends came in with their baby and then I had grace in there too. So I was very distracted that week. So being distracted seems like a plus. Yeah, for sure. I mean, at this stage in my career, I know, I know. I know when I need to lock in, but I also know when I need to kind of remove myself from the situation

and take a deep breath and kind of be far away from something that can consume you. What does it mean to you to lock in? Lock in means like all my concentration goes on one thing. Like there's no distractions. Like I'm like tunnel vision for sure. Yeah. What's more nerve-wracking do you feel like on a Sunday, like having a big lead or having, you know, going into the farm around tide? You know, for the first time in my life, I experienced a big lead and that was at Chevron. So that was something I've never experienced before. And it was definitely different. Like it felt like there was just like.

But I just felt like there was definitely a, what's it called, a words right now? Bullseye target. Yes, a bull's eye target on my back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I felt like that at Chevron. But at the women's open, I was like always hovering around someone. So I just knew it was time to grind, you know, like you kind of like just lock in. And honestly, that week I was just not hitting it great.

I was hitting it pretty poor. So I knew that I had to really lock in, like making sure that it was okay to make mistakes, but to really like bounce back and not get too frustrated about them. Do you think most golfers would say it's more nerve-wracking to have a big lead? Because it's like you've got everything to lose, so to speak. Pretty much, yeah. I would say that a bigger lead is harder mentally while when you're around other people, you're just like going out and kind of like trying to win.

Any new learnings from WOOP in the past year? I would say the data around, let's say, female hormones, period, for me. You know, my back starts to go a little bit when I'm closer to my period. So knowing. Fascinating. Yeah. And then my recovery starts to obviously dip too. Have you tried the new menstrual cycle coaching feature in the app?

I did. And I've also downloaded the new. Natural cycles? Yes, I did. So we partnered with natural cycles. So, you know, non-hormonal birth control using the temperature sensor on whoop. Yeah. And that's actually crazy too.

because, like, my, I get, like, night sweats right before I get my period, too. So seeing, like, my temperature change has been pretty cool. Like, everything that, like, when it comes to just, like, my body of, like, as a female, athlete, too, of how much it changes versus, like, a male. Totally. Totally. Is very fascinating. Are there any things that you'll do differently based on where you are in your cycle as it

pertains to training or as it pertains to preparing for a tournament? I think I've just been really good at listening to my body. It's tough because when I'm home, I always really want to push my body. Right. And when I'm at tournaments, I think I tend to listen to it a little bit more. So I'm like the worst napper. I never nap, but there's something when I'm at tournaments and I'm going through a stage where like I don't feel 100%.

I'll take a nap because I know that my sleep that has, obviously increased. That makes sense. If you think about like the state of technology today and the state of like all these different tools around recovery in general, like do you feel like it's all incremental, so to speak, like the more you learn about your body, the more you bring these things in, the further it's going to take you? Do you think there's an aspect of like, well, there could be too much of this information? Sometimes I feel. I feel like, you know, like it could be overwhelming. Yeah. But it's also about figuring out what works best for yourself. So obviously I've implemented, I've dabbled with cold plunge, I've dabbled with infrared

sonnas, I've dabbled with just the infrared like body panel. I've noticed that if I do the sauna before I go to sleep, I have an awful night's sleep. Like it, I'm, I'm not a girl that or not a person and that likes to do a sauna before I go to sleep. It actually, like, wires me instead of, like, I've heard other people, like, calms them down and they have a great night's sleep. But for me, it does, like, the opposite. Well, it'll trigger sympathetic activity depending on what kind of a sauna you're in, but where essentially it's going to elevate your heart rate and, you know,

decrease your heart rate variability, neither of which is really ideal for going to bed. Yeah. I've seen, like, people do it before bed. and I've seen people during doing during the day. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do it during the day. So like my time to recover is like before I either eat or like after I eat before I go to bed. So that is something I actually learned through whoop though is like making sure that I don't go, don't do the sauna before I go to sleep through all the metrics that, you know, you have.

But I would say the one thing that I've implemented was definitely like a body infrared panel. body that's like a seven foot long like infrared panel how does that work i just lay under it oh yeah and helps with like recovery oh it's like red light infrared yeah and i feel actually much better when do you do it literally i like it's right next to my bed and i have this bed under it and i do it for 20 minutes and then i roll into bed and go to sleep oh so you do it right before bed yeah every night yeah when i'm home and no first phone or phone? No, no phone. No, I have that point. You're in brick mode. Yeah, I'm in brick mode. Yeah, I'm in brick mode. You can use that if you'd like for brick mode. Yeah. Well, the infrared piece is

interesting. I mean, there has been a fair amount of data recently on the red light capabilities and the benefits of that. Yeah. Doing it every night is actually really interesting. So you never miss a night. You bring it with you. No, when I'm on the road, I don't have it when I'm home. Because that's when I'm training the most. Yeah. That would be quite hard to travel with like a seven-foot panel. I don't know why. For some reason, I was picturing you being able to roll it out. No. Maybe they need like a more travel or antide fruition. It's like this thick. So one other theme that we picked up on your, for your recoveries for those tournaments is that you're getting 40 minutes more sleep per night. So you just leaned in on sleep.

Yeah. Well, when I'm home, I obviously am training in the gym. So, I like to go out early practice in the morning, and especially with Florida heat, I like to not be drained by the Florida sun and the humidity. So I go out early, so that means I just wake up a lot earlier while, let's say, in tournament mode, there is a day where you sleep in or if on the weekend, like, you can sleep in a little bit more. But yeah, I would say I prioritize sleep a lot to make sure, like, I'm mentally ready during tournaments. It's as much mental as any. Yeah, 100%. Like, it's definitely sometimes more mental. And why would you say more mental? I feel like any kind of competition is because you know that no one has their A game, but it's all

about like the mental grind of staying in it and not like kind of getting too frustrated and not exerting too much energy. Because you know you're going to have bad holes, but you have to just bounce back for it. Yeah, it's all about that bounce back bird. Yeah, the resilience. Yeah. Is that a metric you track on yourself, your bounce back performance? Jay and I love kind of, we love saying great bounce back bird. Nice. It's, but that's, I think golf relates or sports golf relates to life a lot. It's all about like the bounce back.

Like it's okay to go through adversity, but everyone goes through it, but it's about like the willingness to learn from that and bouncing back. your strain is also pretty high during tournaments in general. So for regular tournaments, it's an average strain of just over 12. And then for major championships, it's a 15 and a half. So that just shows the difference between a tournament and a major. It's definitely more, I would say, it's just like the more pressure that you put on yourself, I guess. Like you want to perform and it's just a bigger mental load because

it's challenging every part of your game and every part of your like mental well-being out there. And some of it may also be the courses are a little harder to like physically. So you're averaging about like 20,000 steps. Yeah. You know. So that's like, I know, hot girl walk. You're walking around out there. I mean, you're covered some ground.

Yeah, I'm hot girl walking on the golf girl. Your final round of the Chevron, which fortunately you had a very green recovery. before you had an 18.9 strain. It was so hot. Sunday of a major is going to dial it up a little more. Yeah, I mean your heart rate's a little elevated and it was so hot in Houston that time of year. Like I was dripping and for me when I, I already, I sweat a lot in general. Like I sweat way more than my sister and my brother.

But my heart rate's a lot higher too. Like I just have sometimes an elevated heart rate. rate. Well, it makes for an entertaining whoop live when we show your live heart rate during some of the shots, which is cool, I think. Yeah, I know they're like, whoa, her heart rate's that high. Like, don't worry, guys. I know how to control it. Yeah, it's impressive, actually. But I think also it's cool for the fan experience because I think there's a thing where when you watch professional athletes, you kind of assume they don't feel pressure, even if they're performing well. Yeah. But I think the impressive thing is that your body actually is experience.

nerves, but you're able to manage it. Yeah, it only means you care and that you want to. Like, I, sometimes people think like, oh, my gosh, like, why is her heart rate so high? But in reality, it's like, it's just because we care and we've put so many hours into this and like this is where we want to be. And yes, we're a little nervous, but they're like, it's a good nerves. It's like excited nervous. Yeah, I think that's right.

What are you looking forward to the rest of this year? Well, going to be competing at Solheim Cup. I think that's going to, that's always so much fun. Like there's no better atmosphere, like the electricity when it comes to being on the first tea and the crowds. Obviously, we are on European soil. So it'll be a lot of Europe, Europe. And I'll be saying that for like a week after in my head. I'll still be hearing it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I've been fortunate. enough to play on many Solheims, to play on Olympic teams, play on international crown teams representing my country. And there is honestly no greater feeling. It's so much fun because golf is so individual. And during Solheim, you play for your captains, for your assistant captains, you play for your teammates, for your country. And there's just such a different feeling standing on that first tea going to compete. More nerve-wracking?

just exciting. There's just like, yeah, well, you have a teammate too that you can rely on too. So if like you hit a bad shot, you're like, go on parts. Go get it. Go get it. Yeah. Now you have a great Solheim record. You're like, I think 10, 5, and 1, which is pretty strong.

Why do you think you've been so successful? I've been fortunate to have great partners. You're like, I'm just better. No, I've had great partners. I think there is a different, like, personality that comes out in me. I usually am very level-headed. I don't love to show too much emotion because once you show emotion, you have to come back down to your next shot. But in Solheim Cup, I just kind of let it all out. And I think I just really get very energized off of the crowds.

And I think that there's like a looseness to having a teammate that you can rely on. Yeah, the energy for these events is pretty amazing. I was at the Rider Cup and I mean I was pretty amazed by that situation it was like pretty out of control that well they get a little out of control I think like ours are a little bit more respectful yeah a little more respectful yeah so you'll let yourself feel that high and like have a big celebration and then come down and yeah I mean I'm throwing fist pumps for sure yeah yeah like big ones yeah that was those that was one of the things that I thought was coolest about like peak tiger was that he could go in and out of that state so easily.

Because a lot of people, when they're hyper-focused and playing well, will kind of stay in that state. Yeah. It's just easier. Yeah, it's easier. And he would have these crazy fist pumps and celebrations and then all of a sudden go back into that state. I know.

That's why he's just the goat. Yeah. Like he's just, there's no one's been like him and no one will ever be like him, honestly. That's why I think he moved the needle so much because he made golf. so exciting. So fun to watch. Yeah, but it just takes a very special individual to do that. Like, I personally wouldn't be able to do that. I have to stay very level-headed, but that's

like my personality. And his personality was just like that, and it was very exciting to watch. Are there any other golfers like that at all today? It's hard to care preparing the tiger, but the idea of being able to have like big reactions and then calm and then big-re-re- Not really. Doesn't seem like it, right? No. Not necessarily. So a certain intensity, right?

He had like a certain intensity. Yeah, I mean, he was like Uber locked in. I mean, like, he was like, if you talk about my tunnel vision, this was his tunnel vision. I remember listening to Johnny, I think he was Johnny Miller commentate over Tiger preparing for a putt. And it was like on the 17th or 18th, 18th hole of a major. And he was just like, look at how slow everything has just gotten. Yeah. And it was such a cool observation because it was such an intense moment.

and there was such a frenzy in the moment. But then watching Tire, it was like everything felt like it had slowed way down for him. Yeah, it's almost like he was never really phased. Like, no matter what was, like, thrown at him. Like, he was just doing himself and, like, he was just going after one thing. I feel like you have an aspect of that where things at times look slow for you in like a good way. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't feel like you're sped up with the moment.

Yeah. You know, like the exaggerated. version of it is like the person who kind of falls apart when they have the lead and all of a sudden it like feels like things just happened really fast. Yeah, it's you kind of, but that I've definitely had to learn that. Like I've wanted to play faster and I've just learned to like slow it down. Like it feels like it's super slowmo in my head, but actually it looks completely normal to the outside. Yeah, maybe deliberate's a better word because it doesn't feel like it's slow from a pace of play standpoint.

No. Or someone's like, you know, taking 100 practice swings. I would say it's just more of like calculated. Like everything is like you're really dialed into absolutely everything. Do you think golf has any pace of play issues? Oh, yeah. Yeah. What would you do to change it?

I would say one aspect of it would be the real way to change it is to just start penalizing. Yeah. I mean, you know, if you find people, like if they're having a good week, like they can just pay off the fine. But if you penalize people with shots, then that costs a lot of money too, or if that's what they look at or that costs a title. Like, that makes a big difference. So I think the rules just need to be a little bit more strict. And does that include some kind of a shot clock or something? Yeah, I mean, in tennis, it's so, you know, they've started doing that, but it's really hard to do that because, like, who's going to control the shock clock, right?

is a volunteer going to control it? Like, when exactly is, are they going to start that? Like, how are you going to make sure that everyone's doing? What are you doing about a lost ball and that sort of thing? Yeah, well, you usually get three minutes for that. So I guess maybe that you would actually have a shot clock for it. Yeah, you do. Usually, like, if either the caddy usually has to kind of like look at the clock

before once they start looking or you have a rules official that does it as well. They look at their whoop like that? Yeah. Do you like the new meridian? Yeah, it's beautiful. The magnet, it's super easy to put it on and off too. Do you think you could swing a golf club with it? Definitely, yes. Oh, cool. Yeah. That'll be a good look. I look forward to that. Yeah, that's very pretty. I'm a big yellow gold girlie too, so it stacks well. That stacks very nicely. Yeah. Yeah. There's also a rose gold, which you may incorporate from time to time. Yeah. I mean, I think it's great because for us, we can wear it out with, like, outfits for dinner, too. So it just looks beautiful.

Thank you. Well, we've been pushing to broaden the appeal of different band types. And this is, this is, I think, the first band we designed really with women first in mind. Like, I think the silver and the black, like, I think that those will resonate for men, too. Yeah. But particularly like the precious metals and like the fashion positioning, it was a band we designed for women. Well, the thing is, is like when someone takes it off for dinner, like then you're missing out on so much data. Like I'm a person that just has to wear it 24-7. Like if I'm committed to it, like I am committing to it 24-7. So I think it's just a good mix up, you know, if you want to wear and you don't want to lose out on data and you want to go out to a nice dinner. So yes, I love that you guys are thinking about the women.

Well, thank you for being on at 24-7. Thanks, well. Great to be with you. Thanks for having me.