WHOOP Podcast - Stef Williams on Key Habits To Build Strength & Stay Healthy

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

This week on the WHOOP Podcast, WHOOP Global Head of Human Performance, Principal Scientist, Dr. Kristen Holmes sits down with fitness entrepreneur and creator of WeGlow, Stef Williams. The two discuss building an empowering global community, navigating endometriosis, redefining movement, and Stef’s pregnancy journey. Stef opens up about her path from athlete to influencer, the realities of running multiple businesses, her evolving relationship with health and mindset, and how intentional lifestyle choices helped her reclaim her wellbeing. This episode highlights the power of a positive mindset, training, and understanding your body to feel stronger, more connected to your health and wellness goals.  (00:00) Cold Open(00:43) Intro(02:36) Rapid Fire Questions(07:14) Stef’s Background and Building WeGlow(12:26) Fighting Exercise Burnout(14:02) Common Misconceptions In The Fitness Industry(16:21) Inner Ad(16:34) Stef’s Day In The Life: Entrepreneur and Fitness Influencer(20:40) Ins and Outs of Running The Business(25:20) Pregnancy, Balancing A Career, and Lifestyle Changes(28:22) How Stef Uses WHOOP For Her Health and Wellness(33:09) Inner Ad(33:42) Managing Endometriosis: Signs and Symptoms(39:02) Nutrition, Lifestyle, and Preventative Care with Endometriosis(45:09) Cycle Tracking and Navigating Pregnancy with Endometriosis(50:25) Getting A Diagnosis and Mindset Training(51:30) Stef’s Goals and Motivations (56:10) Stef’s Advice For Women in Training and Business(58:33) Kristen’s Advice For Expecting Mothers(01:00:51) OutroStef Williams InstagramTikTokYouTubeLinkedInFacebookWeGLOWSupport the showFollow WHOOP: Sign up for WHOOP Advanced Labs Trial WHOOP for Free www.whoop.com Instagram TikTok YouTube X Facebook LinkedIn Follow Will Ahmed: Instagram X LinkedIn Follow Kristen Holmes: Instagram LinkedIn Follow Emily Capodilupo: LinkedIn

If you enjoy movement, you're going to be more consistent. You're going to get better results and you're going to be happier all in all. Women train better when they stop chasing perfection. 100%. Hybrid training has solved that for myself. Doing the key fundamental things, what's going to give you more energy and your mindset? I always say the hardest part is always like showing up. I just want to be able to educate women and make them feel empowered through movement.

So that was something which was like really important to me and to like give women the tools in place to be able to, listen to their bodies. I've really found my purpose. You are pregnant. Congratulations. Thank you. You have had to navigate a massive condition endometriosis. What advice do you have for women who are struggling with this? I will always say, Steph, welcome. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to chat with you today. I've already been chatting. I know. It's been literally nonstop. We're like, okay, we probably should start recording at some point. Oh, I love that you played field hockey. Sorry, I'm just going to say that off the bat. Literally. So good. I feel like we get each other. We do get each other. Yeah. We're like totally on the same page. In addition to an epic field hockey career, you have just built this empire, a fitness empire. We're trying. It's incredible. And not only do you have this just epic we glow platform that is helping women across the globe get fitter and get reconnected and connected to their body in ways that I think are really empowering. You also have an active wear line.

Which I was checking out your Insta. It is glorious. Thank you. I mean, the off the shoulder sports bras and the, you know, you can see the back. You can tell where my like pain points are and the things I like because you'll see there a theme throughout the active wear like slightly off the shoulder, like high in the middle. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I'm going to be digging very deep into that line of actwear. We'll bring it to field hockey. Okay. Because we kind of have probably similar-ish type. We all have the same kind of body type. You know, we've got a big booty generally. thighs, you know, thighs. Yeah. So I can really appreciate the direction that you went. I love girls who, like, say that that body type are obsessed with the brand. I think probably

because it's selfishly, I. Yeah, you've made it for yourself, which is very smart. We're going to talk about a lot of stuff. You know, you have a really interesting medical history that we're going to dig into. You are also pregnant. Pregnant. I don't know why I repeated you. I know. Congratulations. Thank you. So exciting. It is exciting. It's mental. Yeah.

Well, we're going to dig into all of that. We're going to start with a little rapid fire icebreaker. Oh. I know. I know. So this is kind of our social segment, and we'll start the interview with this. And these are just true or false. Okay.

Listening to your body is the most underrated performance skill. True or false. True. Your hormones are just as important to track as your strain and sleep. Yes. yeah 100% gosh yes yes confidence is a muscle and most women don't train it enough yeah literally you can agree more and your mindset i always say it's like the hardest part is always like showing up yeah for the the training or anything like that it's like not the actual

i mean it's hard training the itself but yeah like positive self self talk for sure i think for me i always say like i get to and i think after i have my um like diagnosis of things. That's like the words I started to use towards myself for confidence and just things like that makes such an impact. Yeah. That's just a huge reframe, you know, get to versus I have to, you know, totally. Words are so important, you know, like how you use them and I will versus I'll try, you know, just like little things like that, you know, it's like it forces you to to dig in a bit more and commit to something as opposed to be, you know, wishy-washy. Yeah, exactly. I mean, some days you have days where you're...

Of course. But generally try and switch it up with the mindset for sure. I love that. Women train better when they stop chasing perfection. 100%. Oh, my God. Yeah. Like, and stop chasing, like, aesthetics.

Yeah. Like, I want to have this. I want to have this. Like, I want to train to feel good. And then, like, all of a sudden, you're doing things to make yourself feel good. And you're like, oh, my God, I feel good. I look good. Because I feel good.

Yeah. And it will just kind of rolls into place. otherwise you're just setting yourself like almost like down full because you're never going to hit what you want that way totally i think that's where data can be so powerful it's like you know that you're like if you're training appropriately and for the right reasons like your internal biometrics are going to tell you that that's the case yeah you know you're resting hurry your hurry variability you know now that we have advanced labs like you know just your hormonal data yeah you know like yeah and and i think that's where it becomes such a powerful

source of insight, you know, a validation that you're doing it for the right reasons, you know, this internal fitness. Yeah, exactly. And I think then you, yeah, you feel it and see it so much more than any other like external goal. And then you, I think, are able to listen to your body more in that way if you don't zone in on the wrong things. Yeah. And actually like tune into your body way more. Yeah. Which sounds like so airy, fair. And you're like, listen to your body. But it's like having options in place to be able to like actually then listen to. your body and understand what that is. But yeah, it's a hairy, very, very way of saying it. But I think when you get it. Yeah. That's beautiful. And I think it's easy to get disconnected. I think the

default is disconnection from the body, you know, in a lot of ways. We'll talk more about that. This is never... Sorry, this is a rapid fire and I'm like, wuffle, wuffle. No, no, no. It's great. True or false. Pregnancy is a different kind of power phase. Ooh. I mean, I can't say I felt particularly powerful in my first trim. But now that I'm like stepping out of that and I'm like almost five months, I'm feeling really good and I think you have like a whole new appreciation for what your body is capable of and what your body is doing and how amazing women are.

And I just think, yeah, it is, yeah, I feel, it sounds weird, but I'm like so excited as well like after I give birth and like just to be like strong for my baby and feel like that. power there but I think like pregnancy so far it's not felt too powerful I know it's hard have you had a lot of symptoms uh I think I've had all of them you know yeah yeah a lot of nausea yeah headaches like tiredness just all of it but we're good we're on up and I'm very grateful that I was able to be pregnant so I don't want to be so yeah building a baby is it's a lot effort it is I'm like I don't want I'm growing in there but it's come to humble me it is humbling yeah it is humbling yeah for sure yeah but i think yeah once you get through

the the first trimester i think things look up yeah but you're a glowing thank you but i think that's your default is just glow it's gonna be on brand i'm just sweats at the moment i'm it's hot it's hot in here so i want to talk about your platform what inspired you to found we glow so my background comes from like field hockey i've like played sport and stuff since i can remember and i think then there was a phase where I was a little bit lost and I was kind of thinking to myself, like, I don't know what direction I want to go in with work, with anything, and sport and exercise was such a huge part of my life. And I think as a teen as well and a young girl, you're almost kind of like, I don't want that to be my identity and you kind of like push it

away because like everyone's like, but that's what you're good at, little, blah, blah and stuff. And then I stopped it and my mental health took such a toll. I was like so, so low with depression and I was like, it was horrific. And then I kind of started exercising again. I spoke to like family friends, like, well, what do you love? What are you good at? And I was like, I love being around people. I love like that feeling of being able to give something back and it's like such a

rewarding feeling like I did make up like artistry for a little bit as well. And I loved, like, the response of people, like, making them feel good. And I was like, that's amazing. But I just wasn't, like, super passionate about it. Whereas the sport side of things is where, like, my passion lies. So then we were like, okay, well, let's become a trainer. So then I got qualified. And then Instagram was kind of a thing, kind of not really a thing at the time.

It was, like, cringe, basically to start then. It was like, you're a loser. What are you doing? which I find fascinating now because someone actually said to me recently like oh it wasn't a real job when you did it and I was like actually not I was just brave enough to do it it was a job so then yeah I kind of took that leap and just started like posting all my workout videos and I was like it's for my clients so I was kind of you know it was like to help etc and then that started kind of taking off and then I created my first like PDF guides this is going way back when and just like the response and stuff and the demand of like the community that we'd built, I think was just amazing. And I think as well, coming from a place of, like, I want to feel good. And it wasn't, for me, because I come from a sporting background, it wasn't about, like, necessarily, like, aesthetics and the way you look.

And it was like, I want to feel amazing. Although I will say when I first got into the industry, there's a lot of noise. And it can, like, all consume you. And it's kind of a bit like, oh, my God. Say more about that. I think it's just like women, I think especially back then. And then it's incredible how it's moved forward now and we're using our voices a lot more and there's a lot more education stuff out there, but it was kind of very much like, you must

train in this way or like, why are you doing a burpee? And I was like, because I'm bloody like it. Makes me feel good. Yeah, like, it's not going to do anything for you. And it's like, well, it is because I'm not saying a burpee. But like, for example, of life. Yeah. You know, because I like it.

I enjoy it. And like, for me, I'm like, if you enjoy movement, you're going to. be more consistent, you're going to get better results and you're going to be like happier all in all. And I just think there was a lot of like, you need to be taking this. You have like, you know, I'd be like a video of me lifting weights. You're not lifting heavy enough. And I'm like, oh, pretty heavy. Like, you know, it feels heavy to me. Yeah. So I just think there was a lot of noise that I had to kind of really shut out and then like really refocus what I wanted from exercise and what the community around me wanted

and it was to be able to listen to your body and to be able to actually move in a way that you enjoy and that's kind of how Weglow was formed and even the name in itself. Like I was really cautious. I didn't want to call it anything kind of about your body, the way you look. It's like glow can be interpreted in so many different ways.

And so that was something which was like really important to me and to like give women the tools in place to be able to, listen to their bodies. I've always wanted to have loads of different movement on the app. When we first launched, it was just me doing strength training, hit and stuff. So it was like quite one dimensional. And we had nutrition on there as well. But we had everything, like the roadmap, like we brought yoga on very, very quickly, mindfulness. And now we have, you know, Pilates, yoga, mindfulness, strength, cardio. We have six different trainers. And it's kind of, yeah, just become like a hub for women to be able to move.

move in a way that feels good for them, whether it's the time they need. Just to be able to, like, for me, I was like, I don't want a strength train today. But then you're like, oh, if I only strength train, like, what can I do? And it's like, okay, well, why don't you try a 20-minute Pilates class? Or why don't you? Yeah, I just think it was super important to get women feeling good and enjoying it because it's so daunting and it can be so daunting coming to new. And it's like, it's for everyone.

Like, we'll welcome him and it's going to be good. It sounds like you have built an incredible, incredibly supportive community. Oh, they're the best. Yeah. They really are. Yeah. You must get a ton of various types of feedback. And, you know, for the women coming to your platform, are there any themes that you've

noticed, you know, things that have kind of bubbled up, like something, you know, an aspect of life that they're trying to solve, you know, that maybe is probably, yeah, fitness is a piece of it, but there's something a little bit deeper. Yeah. We actually did loads of customer interviews to find like women. It's like qualitative. Yeah. And afterwards.

But I think for me generally it's women have found it hard to not have that burnout and stay on track. And I think that's something which is so, so common. Yeah. Which again, I think right for me at hybrid training has solved that for myself and just like being able to be give yourself some grace, being kind around yourself and not set yourself unrealistic goals. Like if you've never trained five days a week or weight training sessions,

which are an hour long, maybe don't set yourself up to do that. Maybe do like, I'll do two weight session weeks, which will be 40 minutes long and maybe one, you know, like weighted Pilates car. So it's just kind of giving them the options. So I think that's definitely been a big pain point. And also women with women's health issues has definitely been a theme, especially now as there is way more awareness around your menstrual cycle and how to train and, you know, being able to listen to your body. I think that's something that crops up. Also, I think because it's something

that I've personally gone through. So it's something that feels relatable. But yeah, I think that's probably a big thing. I love that. Yeah. What misconceptions do people have about influencers in the fitness space? I think something when I was first starting when I was filming my workout videos, I create guides and I know if you want you know this goal or why goal or whatever it might be I'll create a guide based off of that and I think I was creating workouts like for example for beginners no I'm not a beginner but I'm creating a workout for a beginner or if you know you're you want something with just like lightweights hey here's a workout for just that because that day you might want that so I think with that sometimes I get like I saw how you work out yeah I'm like no but

that's how like you can work out if you want X, Y, and Z. So I think that was that was maybe like sometimes more challenging. What do you think they are? Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, I think that for me, the misconception is that you're actually building programming based on nuance and constraints. That is exactly what we promote a sports science.

We're always about what is the context here? And you actually have a lot of context. Yeah. I think probably more than many of the sports scientists do when they're thinking. about programming. Yeah. You know, so I think for me like that's, you have the community. Exactly.

You're getting feedback. You're getting quality of feedback all the time from your community. Yeah. And just the reality is like, this is what works for your community. Exactly. And this is what is getting them moving and feeling good. And that is important. That subjective feedback is so important.

100%. So to me that that's what I see. And I also think that a lot of, and men probably more as well are, I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder. Right. And not everyone wants to do that. or lift that heavy or do it that many days a week. Like, you know, it's not actually, I might just, I might, like I'd be saying,

just trying to be trying to feel good in my body whilst also helping myself age better. Yeah. Longevity. Like, yeah, of course, all those things play into it. But I do just feel like there is quite a, yeah, like, we have to do that. I'm like, no, you don't. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

It's just. There's so many ways to build fitness. There's so many ways. And I think you've just got to be like open. to letting people train how, what makes them feel good. And obviously, there's certain ways that are going to be, like, more beneficial to, like, the masses more for sure. From now until December 19th, you can get 10% off all Whoop memberships.

Head to Whoop.com and don't miss out on this great opportunity for 10% off all memberships. You know, when you think about, like, kind of your day in life, you know, you've got Weglow. Yeah. So, you have your active wear, which is. SEPI, yeah, S-E-F-I. For a lot of folks who don't know what it's like to be an influencer at your level, right, and have a platform that you have, what does the day in life look like?

I mean, for example, today, a seven because the time difference, like I had an hour meeting with the team, it's Monday, so just like checking in, like saying what everyone's up to for the week, aligning on certain things. And then, like, after that, I work with my husband as well. He founded the brand with me. But we do like very, it's very separate things still. That's smart. Yeah.

It's been like some learnings for sure along the way. But like now it's very like, it's only that Monday meeting that we like really intersect. Yeah. And then just like little obviously like bits and bobs along the way. And then I feel like I don't, I don't know why I feel bad to say this, but I do have a PA because I. Why do you feel bad? I don't know because I feel like, I feel like. I feel like sometimes as a woman, if you have like a PA or something like that, it just feels like, oh, like, I don't know.

I don't know why. It feels like I've never really like said that before. Yeah. But like, yeah, I do have to have a PA, someone who can like, yeah, personal assistant. Yeah. No, I, yeah, that's actually like such, it's, it's funny because I don't have one and I, I think desperately need one. But there is something about it that, I don't know. There's like a funny...

Like women just feel like we should... Do everything yourself and everything and if it's not completely and utterly you. And I think as an influencer as well, I think there's that added pressure. It's like, you have to be doing like everything and what are you doing all the time? And it's like, well, don't worry a lot. Yeah. But yeah, like I do need help and I said I'm dyslexic as well. And my organization skills as much as I've like tried are not the best.

So I do need help just to make sure that everything that the whole team wants to me all the time is in line and that I'm not, you know, be like falling like, okay, I haven't done that or et cetera. So I just need to make sure that I'm on top of everything because then that means that I can be, like, show up as the best boss. Yeah. But yeah, I think every day is, can be very different. Sometimes it feels like you're putting out a lot of fires. But yeah, like I love it. I wouldn't want it any other way. I mean, I'm so lucky that this is like part of my job.

Yeah. Yeah, especially coming from not knowing what I wanted to do and then like now being able to actually feel like I'm making a difference to people's lives. I think that's just and that's something we always try and kind of like when we have those harder days as teams, like of course you will like in tech, things go wrong and stuff like that. It's like ultimately like what we are all trying to do, like we're actually helping women. Yeah. Which I think is so powerful. Yeah, but I think it can always look different. But, yeah, editing, kind of come up with ideas.

Sometimes I feel, can feel quite creatively, creatively. Thank you. Creatively? Yeah, I can't say it. Yeah, there's no tea in there. Yeah, creatively. I feel like I can only say it with an American accent now if I say it. But what you said, stuck because I have a lot of noise going on around me.

Yeah. And I think the main thing as well is like to try and give useful value information. out like on my platforms and sometimes I do feel I think pressure about not being able to do as good as I'd won and I think especially the last couple years I've definitely felt that as like the businesses have been growing or you know there's been hardships within the businesses things that go wrong etc and then so you can't give your time to that as much and I think like that's how I'm able to have this platform is because of those people yeah and so I do sometimes feel a sense of like responsibility or I'm letting them down if I'm not giving enough value. Yeah. But sometimes it's difficult if you just, like I just feel stuck. Yeah. One of the things that I really appreciate just working at Woop and being an executive here,

you know, I'm very much in the details around supply chain and just things that people don't even realize that are required in order to run a business. Yeah. But that take huge amounts of effort and time. And so I think like when I was just reading kind of all the things that you do, I just really was like, wow. Like this is, that's a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, do you think about the depth of, like, running a retail kind of business? Yeah, I think the retail, there's like, with the app, we have it, you know, we have a team of like 12 now. Wow. And we have three app developers. One of them has been with us since the start. And, you know, that's kind of, I have no idea about coding and stuff like that. That's there. Like, you know.

So they do. Yeah. Yeah. And it does feel on a subscription base, which I think, like, as a business is amazing. And that's what you really want. And it's important, 100%. But you got to provide value. But yeah, you have to, and there's a lot of other things that are, like, hard with it, and especially in the fitness industry because of the, like, the churn of people changing their minds and fitness and stuff.

But then, yeah, with the retail side, it's so many moving parts, so many things that you just don't anticipate going wrong, which it's hard to fix, whereas the retail is a headache, even stuff like the skews being written and wrong, and then it's being sent out. and just so many things, like the factory dyeing, the leggings of wrong color. You know, just kind of like things that you're just trying to, you know, and then also like obviously managing then all the social media and like trying to still keep up with that ever changing. That content. And the content. And yeah, I think I'm really poor at the like founder content side of things that my dad

always says you're a terrible saleswoman. Just because it's kind of, you've got to like big your. which just feels weird. I'm like, well, you can see it's nice. Yeah. I have to like talk about it. So that's kind of something that I personally find harder as well, which I know I'm like content creator.

I should be good at it, but I did it in a different generation. But yeah, it's difficult. I think I've said on another podcast before with Cephy, we unfortunately, we were partnered with a company who kind of did the middleman to the factories and stuff like that. But they were constantly chasing them and we were basically doing all the work for them anyway.

And my husband was just like, what is going on? He's such an organized type A man and he was just like incredible at, you know. Anyway, it turned out they actually went into liquidation with 300K of our, yeah. So that was a real hit. Wow. Two years ago. And then we basically took the company completely back ourselves. We had a lot of stock that we were able to kind of re-alcoholic.

We just had to do a lot of like remarketing and how we're going to start. structure this out now because it was when we one drop, which we then had to split into a whole year. So, yeah, we've kind of got ourselves back up to a place, but also, yeah, it's just it's tough because things like that, you just can't see coming. And you're like, oh, well, right, lovely. I'll just have a little breakdown and then regroup. Yeah, so there's definitely been some, you know, trials along the way, but I always say that it makes you, I mean, it's such a cliche thing, but you do learn so much from it. And even the way that I'm. am as a person now with things that like don't quite go right to how I used to be in

business you have to kind of really take the emotion yeah out of it completely it's like okay it's gone wrong all right how are we going to how we're going to solve how we're going on move on there's a way we're going to fix it and then you just do it whereas when I first started something going wrong I would it would just all consume me and I'm such a I really take on other people's emotions and things like that. So it was really hard for me to like park that side of it all. And I still do like find it challenging things like if someone, you know, has something which isn't 100% positive to say because it's like you just want to like give the best

and make people feel like amazing and that's what you're all trying to do. Yeah. So yeah, it's definitely come with some challenges. But it has 100% made me a better businesswoman. and like stronger, I feel like very resilient, you know? I'm soft still, but. I know. Yeah.

We all have a soft side. Yeah. I have to say the pregnancy is giving me like a new lease of like energy and ideas and kind of that flow again, which I love so much. So that feels really good. I love that. But yeah, it can be challenging. Yeah. Pregnancy creates like an entirely different perspective.

Yeah. that I think is like when you tap into it and if you kind of embrace it it does bring a whole new different type of energy yeah you know that's really exciting no I am yeah I'm excited how many kids do you have I have two too too I'm so cute a boy and a girl like oh you've nailed it I know I know I feel so grateful yeah yeah I know I'm like I want four and he's like no I know I know but we'll So it's a lot. I don't want to be pregnant for the next maybe like 10 years. So maybe I'll stick with one or two. You can just knock them out. Yeah. I did minor 18 months apart. Oh, nice. Yeah. I definitely thought about that third. But yeah, my life at the time was just like so chaotic. Do you feel like it changed a lot after pregnancy?

In terms of my who, my identity. Yeah. Oh. So I was coaching at the time. I was a collegiate coach and had multiple businesses. So I was spending a lot of plates. And I think. think when you have children, you are forced to reprioritize your time. And as a result, you become way more efficient. You realize so many of the things that you were doing were totally unnecessary. Yeah. And you're just, you're doing them just because you thought you needed to do them to be enough and like, yeah, and just feel like you're doing enough. But all of the extraneous just fall away. Like, you have no choice. But as a result, you end up, I think, spending time on things that really bring you value and bring value. So, yeah, it transformed.

I became a way better coach after children. Oh, I love that. There's no question. I love that. And a better human. Yeah. Yeah. No, it just, it was transformable.

Yeah. Transformational in so many ways. So, yeah. Putting other something like way more important. Oh, you just, yeah, like your focus on yourself changes, you know. I am excited for the, like, responsibility of that, which I know might sound weird. but it's just like so nice to like not have to think about me. Having another human have to depend on you,

like depend on you for their life is pretty damn powerful. And yeah, and like you said, a huge responsibility. But it's the most rewarding and wonderful thing you can ever imagine. Yeah. And it's hard to be clear. Yeah. I mean, I'm aware. Yeah.

I'm definitely, I'm not sure how I feel about. Oh, just you wait. Like the too much of the negativity. I'm like, I just want to be in my little bubble. Like I'm sure it's going to be extremely hard. I mean, it's going to be extremely hard. Not I'm sure it's like 100% will be. But also like it's going to be amazing.

And I would just like I try and stay more on the positive. For sure. Yeah. We all just find a way. Yeah. And we find our own way. And that's the thing you just have to. And you've done such from just everything that you've said, you know, being able to

kind of keep the noise at bay, you know, you have built a skill around that, obviously. And it's allowed you to stay on your path and pursue the things that are interesting. Yeah. That's the way to do it. You've got huge demand. on your time, a lot of competing priorities, how do you think about your own kind of health and wellness, you know, and how do you use data to kind of support, you know, and create that resilience that you're talking about? Like, how do you see that interacting? I think for me,

it's always been very much about like a 360 approach and the holistic, more wellnessy side of things. I'm not a huge kind of like, what can I implement an ad. I'm like, what can I physically do as a human and make myself thrive and feel my best. And it is so simple, like to sleep, for example, you know, it is hydration and sleep. Those are such, you know, and it's kind of like if you're, you're supplementing all these things into your diet, into your life, I'm like, but you're not doing the key fundamental things, which will help you so much, you know, like adding a bit more strength training into your week. yeah, that's going to help, that's going to give you more energy.

You know, things like that, like waking up at a time that, you know, going to bed at a time that's going to work better for you in your recovery, I think, yeah, there's, that's kind of where I personally feel like it has made me thrive, being able to know that I'm doing my best in those sections, for that makes sense. And setting yourself up. Yeah, you're setting yourself up. To be resilient and be able to face the challenges in your business. Exactly.

And I don't drink, like things like that. I think, obviously I'm pregnant, but as in before, before as well, you know, and it's just kind of things, which don't get me wrong, you know, I'm not saying never, but like, you know, in general, I think it's just kind of like doing things and that's something that's super interesting. I think with Woof as well, like a lot of my friends, she's just got it and she's like, oh my God, like the drinking, it makes such an impact to my, and I'm like, yeah, and there's a thing where it's like, oh, but isn't that bad if you can see that it's having a negative

effect? I'm like, not really, because you're then making positive changes and then you're feeling better and then you're doing better in everyday life. So surely that's good. Yes, it's good. So, yeah, it's interesting how much like small things like, yeah, like caffeine, alcohol is such a impact. I mean, obviously, there's days where I might have seven coffees. Yeah, totally.

But on average, you know. But yeah, exactly. It's like you're going to always have those days where it's not going to be like, oh my God, so perfect, da, da, da, stuff like that. But actually it was really interesting when I did fall pregnant, my HIV. I came up red on my woup and I like WhatsApped it to my manager because I was So you have your average HRV is about 110 yeah in the whole second so what was your What was it? Do you remember? I'd be able to get the screenshot of it actually. I mean it's probably If you're in the red it was probably low. Yeah and I felt like I was like just absolutely

Waxed yeah I was like I feel like I have been drinking yeah and your your resting hurry was probably through the roof your average resting heart rate I think is 50, six or seven. I was one with me. Yeah, sorry, two seconds. I'll get out now. And obviously, Steph gave me permission to look at her data before this podcast. Oh, God.

I might please don't, because obviously the last. I think this is pre-pregnancy data. It's going to be. Oh, okay. Yeah. So we'll. Yeah, so that's all pregnant. Yeah.

Yeah. So it could be a bit. No, it's, you're actually in an elite range for your age. Stop me now. Yeah. Seriously. So it was 78. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Yeah. So that for you, which is a huge deviation from your baseline, which is 110. Yeah. My husband's age is 24 on the app. Oh. And I'm all I hear about. You're 27.

No, I don't know. We're not going to reveal my age. I think I have it. I'm pretty sure I have it. Your whoop age is. I think it's not the best. It's 4.4 years younger than. year chronological age. So you're at 29.1. But to be fair, men actually have it easier because

of the hormonal fluctuation across our cycles, we just have way more variability. And that variability is in hormones is represented in our biometrics. So our heart rate and resting heart rate and respiratory rate are way more variable. So as a result, that variability is going to create more erratic recoveries and just make it harder to kind of move some of the metrics as fast as a guy can because they just don't have to deal with those hormonal fluctuations. So in our defense. Yeah. I know. So I'm not I'm not at my top game. I'm like just wait. Yeah. Just wait until this baby comes out and I'm like back on it. Yeah. Exactly. But you're doing phenomenally well to be very clear. What's up folks if you are enjoying this podcast or if you

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If someone's listening, I want them to like fully. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. So endometriosis is a chronic condition where the tissue similar to the lining of the womb grows outside the uterus most commonly in the pelvis. Tissue responds to hormone changes. Yeah. Exactly.

And it creates a huge amount of inflammation in that environment, which then presents in all sorts of debilitating symptoms. I had one of my student athletes was diagnosed with endometriosis. And I mean, she was such a trooper, though. When she would get her period, she'd be like, I'm like literally bleeding out. She would have to like, and I'm like, you need to get checked. And she finally ended up going to, I called her mom, Barb. I'm like, Barb. we need to get your daughter into the doctor.

And anyway, we found out she had endometriosis and ended up having surgery. But talk a little bit about your experience. I mean, bless you. Yeah. Is she a cana? She has two kids and is doing phenomenally well. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So I think it can be quite like a daunting, scary thing. When I was first diagnosed, it wasn't as widely spoken about as it is now. And I hadn't even heard of it. And so for me, I also had fibroids. So I actually had two operations. One was endometriosis and then one was for fibroids like a few years later. But yeah, the symptoms are not period pain.

You know, it's quite interesting. It's like, oh, it's just your period. And that's something, that's a narrative that plays out a lot. And it's like, trust me, you know, and I think as a woman, it's like, you know when something is, if it's something so painful, like it just shouldn't be that painful. And really heavy bleeding. Yeah, but it wasn't even for me, it wasn't even like necessarily just like on my period. It was just like all the time. Just kind of like pain.

Like I would walk down the street and I would just like curl up and pain. I wouldn't be able to, you know, I felt incredibly weak. My tiredness was I was and I'm quite like an energized, you know, I'd say I'm quite like a happy person. And it was making, I felt just sad all the time like so tired. And then you're kind of like in your head. like, why am I feeling like this? And then my skin was really bad. I was gaining weight.

And, you know, I think looking back. What period of time was this? So, I'm trying to think. So it was two, blah, blah, blah, it would have been about 14 years ago. Okay. 2010, probably when I first started getting kind of like, but even when I look back, so you're around in 20s. Yeah, early 20s.

So it's coincided when you stopped playing hockey and like, yeah, that's very interesting. I don't know, it's difficult to say and I don't want to say something that's going to be like, oh, that's not the case. But like for me, I think like, you know, starting to lift heavier than like what I really probably need to or should have. And then also that went and I started having like protein shakes, which I'd never had before. My mom's like super healthy. So as my dad, like I've always had a really balanced diet and, you know, been able to eat really well and stuff like that. a sudden, you know, you're having, like, brands are sending you stuff and you're like, oh, you should have this amount of protein and learn stuff.

And I think that probably didn't help because endometheus just feeds off of sugar and the amount of like extra crap that's put into the stuff. Yeah. You just like, if you just look at the back. Yeah. And you're like, what even is that? Yeah. So it is interesting that it did coincide with that period as well.

But yeah, so it's like, cruciate. So whatever was latent basically got. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. 100% but yeah like pain during sex like to the point where like I'd pass out I'd vomited yeah so it's you know not great like I'd go out and I would every time I'd go out for like a 30 minute walk and without fail I mean Matt Bush is like peed in because like my bladder and everything

I just couldn't and it was because of the fibroids as well yeah putting pressure on your water putting pressure and I just thought that was like normal you know and it's just like and also you know all these symptoms as well that feel there's a little bit of shame around it and it can feel like a little bit embarrassing to talk about and that's something that I really like don't want women to feel like there's nothing embarrassing about having it's an illness it's not like what you would never be and it's just symptoms and it's symptoms that can be relieved and I think the more you talk about it as well I think the better chance you give yourself as well you're a phenomenal advocate you know and be yeah well I yeah it's hard um because it makes

me feel like because it's such a hard time to sometimes when you talk about it kind of pulls back on that but now I actually um yeah I don't have endometriosis anymore um which they say that they can't be cured and that's kind of what you're told when you when you when you first get diagnosed there's no cure and so what can you do not nothing you can have operations to maybe get it removed but like da da da da that's nothing you can do so I did loads of personal research into you know loads of different articles but there is again a lot of noise and there was I found like some like quite negative things around it and I just was like here. go back to basics and like going back to like a whole food diet and again I just kind of that's when

I really kind of honed in on like my hybrid training and doing kind of you know Pilates and adding that and that's actually why I became a Pilates instructor as well because I was just like fascinated by it and I just like really thought and it just worked for your body yeah and it did and I think it and it does and that mixed with you know like on the days where you don't feel as good you have the option to do something where you can still move your body because it does make you feel good. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry.

I always jump around loads because I feel like it's been, now it's been like when I had the operation. So I got diagnosed and then I probably had the operation about two years later to get the endo removed. Yeah. And then maybe three years or maybe more later than I had fibroids removed. And yeah, I think just through that and then I also had a coil, which I removed like three years ago.

Gosh. Through that and then nutrition, looking at things. a lot more like holistically I think has helped me like mentally physically so so so much and I think whether you have a condition or not like just doing that is you're just going to give yourself a better chance of feeling good and yeah it's a shame I do think and I think brits are probably quite like it we are not very good at preventing we're very good at the aftercare when something's happened we're like how are we going to fix it and it's like actually like the prevention like if you're lucky enough not to have like gone through anything that's fine

and you're just like, oh, whatever, you know, why do you have to be like that? Why do you do that? Why don't you have this now? And it's like, well, because I've gone through like operations and stuff. And so I know the importance of like what it is. So it's like just give yourself the best opportunity to be able to like prevent these things. And if they do come around, then you're going to be in a such a better position to handle it if you are as healthy as you can be. Right.

Yeah. And you say, you know, on your on your Instagram page, you have one of your highlights is, endometriosis advocacy that you do and just like lots of just inspirational kind of like quotes and resources so I would recommend for anyone who is experiencing obviously any of the symptoms that you're describing obviously reach out to your primary care physician ASAP but also I think your page has so much inspiration on it and for women who are struggling with this and resources as well so I think you know you said you mentioned this but I think it's important to reiterate just to normalize these kind of conversations, you know? And you, you kind of talk about,

like, how you, you can't really wing it when you have this condition. Like, you kind of have to do a lot of things right in order to manage the symptoms. Yeah. And it's kind of just the reality. And I think about this for perimenopause and menopause. Like, and it's kind of the cross that we bear as women, I think, you know, is that we can't, we have to be a little bit more strategic. Yeah. Because the context. Consequence is, you know, these really egregious fluctuations hormonally, like, can wreak havoc. Yeah. On our, on our system.

100%. So whatever we can do to offset that with diet and lifestyle and, you know, the fact that you don't drink alcohol. You know, it's like little things like you've kind of made a choice. Like, all right, I'm choosing my health. Yeah. And I am. And I think it's that it's, you know, with like not drinking alcohol when I first alcohol. I still don't know why I said that.

Quite drinking alcohol. I got a lot of like, oh, it's like, it's boring, etc. But actually, like, you learn to let go so much more. And I have way more fun. And I enjoy myself just as much. And then I enjoy my every day just as much, if not more. Don't get me wrong. I still love some of my, like, nights out with, like, the girls drinking and stuff like that.

But I think, yeah, you do have to make probably, like, harder decisions. But it's for, like, a benefit of long term. It's like that quote or something where it's like, you know, choose your hard, you know, and it's kind of like it might feel easy to just, oh, I'll just do that because my friends are or like, oh, it's just easy to do it that way. But yeah, it might be hard right now, but it will make your life so much easier in the long run. So you've just got to stay consistent and stick at it. And have really honest conversations with yourself. I think it's so easy to be like, oh, but I'm like this, I'm not feeling good. And, you know, like when I was gaining

weight I was not looking after myself correctly and with nutrition at all because I was so tired so I was reaching for sugar which is like yeah fair enough sometimes but actually like that is not going to help me that is just going to hinder me long term yeah I don't know I feel like this generation which I love to see is way more kind of like conscious conscious and they have such a great time just being out and not having to like the pop culture that West Brits had when we were younger it's just not the same and I think that's a good thing. Yeah, it's definitely changing. Yeah, I see that with my kids. Do you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're telling you things. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're teenagers, so, you know, they're kind of in it. But, you know, just my daughter, like, sent me a picture,

like her friend at school, like had a boop and her name's Emma. She's just such a cutie. And, you know, it's just like their kids are realizing that there's more to life than that, you know, and that and being kind of sober and is is is actually uh you know really beautiful path yeah you know and uh and you remember it all you remember it all you know and and i think too like the world you know not to be i don't know fatalistic but you know the world you know isn't getting safer necessarily and and i think you put yourself in such a vulnerable position when you are operating under the influence i think especially as women you know so i i just think it's like a different, just a different, yeah, it's a little bit of a different world. And I'm not obviously

saying that you can't drink. And, you know, it's, it's not what I'm saying, people can do whatever they want to do. But I just, I love to see that, you know, a lot of teenagers are choosing be sober. Well, like conscious. Yeah, just aware. Yeah. More awareness. Yeah. When you're making those choices and not the peer pressure or in things like that. Yeah. I know endometriosis is a feature of, of that condition is a, or super regular period. Were you able to get? back on a regular kind of cycle in terms of length and timing? Yeah. So I'm just trying to think of timeline.

Yeah. So when I was having an operation, I had the marina coil put in as well, which also stopped my periods. But actually, and my friend's just, she's been diagnosed at endometriosis. She has the marina coil. I know, but it's, she feels. That's a game changer, though. It is a game changer.

And it's like, you know, knowing what you have. And then being able to put things in place, I think, is really key. Yeah. So then I didn't have my period for maybe like four, five years. But I was still getting pains after my operation. But I wasn't having a lot of the other symptoms. It was just more like I'd get a stabbing pain and it was still like pain during sex. And again, just like having to wait all the time.

We went and had a checkup with a gynecologist. And then I wanted to get my coil removed because it was about time. And it was like, you know, I want to have my cycle back as well before we start. thinking about kids and stuff like that and then when he was taking the coral out he was like you also have you know eight centimeter fibroids which was causing the pain which is what was causing the pain so it was a lot of the combination of the two so then got the coil removed um got my cycle back my period kind of came back and I wasn't getting the pains like I was so the endometriosis was like at bay so that was amazing just like regular like my period come I'd be like oh lovely you know obviously

So the luteal phase, I definitely feel, you know, a bit like, out of sorts. But then, like, when my period came, yeah, I'd maybe get some cramping. But, like, I was like, oh, this is what periods should feel like. Yeah, this is kind of the normal. Wow. Yeah, it's a bit painful, but it's not. That must have felt so good. It did.

It did. Yeah. So then, yeah, I had regular cycle. That's great. And my fibroids then I got removed. And then the pain went. And so it was kind of. Wow.

All that kind of happened quite quickly. And that was just, like, living, like, without the pain was... I've been, like, functioning at, like, I don't know how. And, like, but you just do. And then I was like, this is how I'm in a feel. Like, I feel like me again. Like, I got, like, Steph back. And even the last kind of, like, you know, year, two years, I feel, like, the most

me I have in, like, maybe, like, 10, 12 years because I'm actually, like, not in the pain that I was in. Yeah. You can't help it. But when you are in that kind of pain, it's like the negativity, like, can kind of creeping. What's wrong with me? Like, I just want to feel like this and also not being able to have sex or, like, you do and it's excruciating.

You feel like, as a woman, you're like, that's just going to, I can't give you. And, you know, that's what my husband's, like, incredible, amazing and everything. But, and he, like, came with me to, like, loads of appointments and everything like that. And I think it's so important to have someone who is really supportive of you. And even if you go, I can't work with my mom as well. And if you go with friends, I think that is key to have that. And also, like, you're not alone with it. There's so many women who have it.

So I would never want anyone to feel alone in it. And then, yeah, so we've now, and now I'm pregnant. So, I mean, it's kind of, which is amazing. Did it just happen, or again, like, were you actively trying? Yeah. So we always wanted to kind of try around this time anyway. And then because of, you kind of do get a little bit of scare among it. when you are diagnosed with endometriosis and stuff like that.

And I know other people who have been, you know, it's going to be so hard for you. And I'm just always been like, oh, it'll be fine for me. Just I just always think it's better to think like that. Yes. So we were like, but you never know. It could take us six months. It could take us a year. It could take us however long.

Right. So we started trying and it did happen on the first time. Yeah. That's just so phenomenal. You deserve it after everything that you've been through. Yeah. You know? Like, I'm just so happy that that was.

wasn't hard for you, you know? Yeah, I know. I know because I think that was a lot of women it is, you know. And it is. And that's, I can't even like imagine having to like go through all of that. And I've had friends who've had real difficulties and, um, there is a sense of like guilt when you say, I know, like, oh. It happened on the first try. Which, you know, it's like I'm, I'm so grateful for, but I do, you know, but then I think like, I don't know if that would have if I hadn't made like the lifestyle choices I have and stuff like that as well. I know. I was more relaxed. And I think that. is also such a huge thing, like the stress.

Massive. Well, we know that stress impacts your ovarian environment. Like I, like just research literally just came out, I think, in February of this year, linking the autonomic nervous system dysfunction and the ovarian environment. So there's a really big link, you know, to, and in preserving ovarian function, right? So the more stressed you are, I mean, that's why they say to think about your stress, you know, in ways that are functional. But then you've got just saying, like, it's going to be so hard for you.

Yeah. That's not the right messaging. That's quite stressful. Yeah. So I think you do. It's hard, but you have to kind of just be like, let that go and just try and. I think doctors need training and mindset, you know, as well. Yeah, that actually is so true.

Because, yeah, your physiology and biology are one thing. But we know from the data that you can literally actually talk yourself into a better future. Yeah. In terms of how you think about the world, how you interpret the world, how you frame things. appraisals like there's so much power in the mind that we don't tap and that frankly a lot of people who are advising us like don't even give us a chance you know because they're already telling us how we should feel yeah yeah you know and I think we just need to be way more careful with that yeah and I really love for doctors to yeah it's a education around that same as well as is that

when women go in and I've got these symptoms this doesn't feel normal yeah and then a doctor telling you no that's normal you that's just how you feel that that's a gaslighting too that's like So it's again being like strong and you're like, no, I know this doesn't feel right. And I think you have to go with your gut. Yeah. With anything that's like health-related and stuff. Well said. And find a doctor who will listen to you.

Yeah. Yeah. And take your feelings seriously. Yeah. Yeah. So well-sud. Thank you for that. All right.

This is a good one. So, you know, when you look ahead, you know, 10 years from now, where do you see stuff? and your businesses? This is always such a interesting question for me because I am such a, in the moment, present day, what can you do in your every day to essentially better yourself and like tiny little habits and things that will progress to that.

And I think it's ever-changing. And where I thought I would be now, if someone asked me if I, like, It's such a hard one, but I think for me, I think with the, like with Weglow, I just want to be able to like grow that more globally. We have such an incredible community now and I just want to be able to educate women and make them feel empowered through movement. I think that is just something.

Yeah. And also the, you know, the menstrual cycle to be able to educate women more on that and how to just, you know, be able to listen to their bodies and understand where they are in their phases. I think it's always, you know, take it with a pinch of soul. don't take it for, oh, God, I'm in my luteal phase. Yep. I must not do that.

It's like, if you feel good in your luteal phase, then, you know, carry on. Great. Or maybe, like, exactly. Maybe, like, implement some foods that you know are going to, like, really help you in that phase or something. But just, like, give them the, yeah, the tools and the power to, like, really understand their body. Yeah. I think since I've, like, I knew straight away that I was pregnant.

And I think that is because I'm probably now, I'm just so aware of. my body in a really positive good way. Totally. And I just think it's such a, yeah, empowering feeling. So I just want that kind of to really like flow through. Flow through. Yeah, we glow and like continue to do that and teach more. I absolutely love teaching for me and being like in person.

That's like I just absolutely love it. And I feel like it's so connected with the community when I'm able to do those classes and things. So I think, yeah, just keep growing that. Where are the bulk of your users now currently? Yeah, America. So we have a really big New York, Miami. Oh, nice.

So which is amazing. And yeah, and then we have obviously a lot in UK, but it's like worldwide. It is so exciting. And then you kind of see, you know, all of a sudden, like see different trends. Like Australia recently. Oh, okay. And there's, like, been a lot of, like, a flurry of Australian users. Wow.

And, yeah. You have a massive following. Yeah, it's, um, how long have you, how long have you been doing? I would say about 10, almost 10 years, like, I mean, I think folks don't realize, like, you put in so much time. Yeah. To build to where you are today at, like, 2.5 million followers. Is that?

One day. It's not quite. It's 2.2. Oh, two way two. Okay, well, damn, that's all. I mean, okay, close enough. I'm frowning up. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But that's huge. Yeah, no, it is. Congratulations. It is amazing. Yeah. And they are, I'm actually so lucky, I think, with my platform and the women who do interact and follow with me. It's kind of always very positive and, like, supportive. I think it's always just, you know, they see everything in, like, a nicer light. Yeah. And I'm very, very lucky. Obviously, always going to get some kind of, you know, hate and stuff like that. The recent one is everyone thinks I've had a boo. job because I'm pregnant, as I'm not really revealed I'm pregnant yet. So I'm getting some big hate on that. I'm like, just you wait. But you just have to like, again, like, block that out. And I think just

like focus on the good, there's so much of it. And then, yeah, 10 years, I don't know. I mean, I would like more children, touch words, if that can happen. And yeah, just to be kind of like able to be like present and happy and kind of with my family. And I think the goal is to feel good and just, you know, So like thriving and like work and stuff and I think what I'm really, really grateful for and I'm so lucky that I do feel like I've within my job, I've really found my purpose and I think growing up and I've really kind of struggled with that like what is my purpose and you may never know really quite what it is. It might be making a best friend smile. Like do you know what I mean? It's kind of it doesn't have to be this big thing or whatever. But I think, yeah, being able to find that

been like really helpful for my like self-esteem and stuff like that as well um yeah just feeling good we'll see what advice do you have for uh i guess young girls i mean i think about my daughter right now you know what she's 17 what would you tell her be nice to your mom thank you um i think to have open conversations with your friends and not be afraid to feel your like emotion and I think like go after what you want and I think be very be very mindful though of what you're going after now I think a lot of time people ask me like oh how am I going to grow my social media and I'm like what for yeah for what like is it for numbers because if you're chasing that then that's yeah that's not the path that's not the path that you want to be doing so I think being able to find something that like makes you tick and then just kind of like going after that people feel that authenticity yeah I mean, I feel like that word's kind of overused, but I think it's true. Yeah, I think if you're enjoying something and it's making you happy, that is just going to, like, show through anything that you do. You're living your purpose.

And actually, what I will always say is, and I'm probably such a loser for saying this, but every, like, job, even when I was working at a bar, I used to cry. If, you know, I'd get the orders wrong and I'd get it wrong sometimes. And they'd be like, just give them free shots. I'm like, okay. But, you know, I think everything that you do, like, put your all into because you never know who you're going to meet. and like why not try and like make the most of a situation you might not it might not be your forever job but like why not like make the most of it and like make it as pleasant as possible so I think like that in itself I think you know and you learn so much more doing it like that

because I had so many jobs beforehand but I think the ones that you really give you're all to you're always going to like learn or take something away take something away so yeah I think I probably yeah I'd save that one I love that Yeah, it's beautiful advice. Where is the best place for folks to follow you? My Instagram, probably, Steph Williams, and then my Weglow app page is just like more fitnessy, fun, lifestyle stuff. Amazing. And then I'm just getting back on YouTube, she says.

Oh, good. Yeah, it's YouTube's. It's a wild west. But you know what I love, if people say to me, oh, I follow you from your YouTube, I like that because that feels more me. I'm like, you know that I'm. Because Instagram's so curated. Yes, yes. And if you see that as a thing, you're like, oh, I don't know really what she's like.

Whereas having a different platform like that, you're able to let people in a little bit more, which I think is like nice. You can teach, you know, in ways. It's longer form, right, YouTube and, yeah. And I'm just saying this waffle, waffle, waffle. Yeah. But yeah. I love that. Do you have any final thoughts for our listeners?

I actually love to hear from you, like any advice that you have for expecting moms. I think there's a powerhouse that you are, businesswoman. etc. Give us the tips. Wow. Well, I think give yourself grace and don't rush back in terms of feeling like you have to keep up with everything that you were doing before. Because I think when we have those expectations, we can actually feel really disappointed and it can take away from our presence with our child and just the beautiful moment that it is. So I really think that kind of going into it, expecting that things are going to be very different. And not assigning specifics around how things are going to be different. And you alluded to this earlier in the conversation.

And I think it's such an important way of thinking about being a new mom is that your experience is going to be actually totally unique. Yeah. You know, and like leaning into that. you need this and not kind of looking around for like evidence or proof that like what you're doing is right yeah because all the answers are inside you you're going to have all the instincts yeah you know and just lean into those instincts and and make it yours yeah that's amazing yeah i got i got goosebumps when you said that about not rushing back yeah because i think it's like there's so much pressure to do that and you've got to do it all so that's like i'll really take that advice on and i can't So excited for you.

I'm so excited. Well, thank you for your time today. It's been such a joy speaking with you and so grateful for all the good work you're putting out in the world and all the inspiration that you provide. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, thank you. If you enjoyed this episode of the Whoop podcast, please leave a rating or review.

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