WHOOP Podcast - Super Bowl champion Steve Weatherford discusses performance mindset, mental health, and the big game

Episode Date: February 9, 2022

Steve Weatherford, who won Super Bowl XLVI with the Giants in 2012, returns to the WHOOP Podcast for a discussion on mindset, fitness, and Super Bowl LVI. Steve spent 10 years as a punter in the NFL, and was twice voted the fittest man in the league. He had one of the best performances of his career in the Super Bowl, but explains why that didn’t fulfill him at the time and what he’s learned about mental health since that moment. Steve discusses his road to athletics and why he had an unhealthy relationship with sports (6:33), searching for meaning (8:52), winning the Super Bowl (10:32), finding purpose (12:40), having a health and wellness mindset (17:25), focusing on the important things (20:45), picking the Bengals (26:18), and the importance of rest (30:02).Support the showFollow WHOOP: www.whoop.com Trial WHOOP for Free Instagram TikTok YouTube X Facebook LinkedIn Follow Will Ahmed: Instagram X LinkedIn Follow Kristen Holmes: Instagram LinkedIn Follow Emily Capodilupo: LinkedIn

What's up, folks. Welcome back to the WOOP podcast, where we sit down with the top performers out there, learn from them to help each one of us perform at a higher level. I'm your host, Will Amid, founder and CEO of Woop. We build the wearable tech that powers many of the best athletes in the world, and, of course, many consumers who are trying to improve their health. Super Bowl week, so it's only fitting that we have a Super Bowl champ on the Woop Podcast. We published some data a couple weeks ago on Patrick Mahomes' epic win over the bills.

Mahomes did not make it to the Super Bowl, but the good news is whoop is the official wearable of the NFL Players Association. So we get to work with many, many players in the NFL. Whoop actually is distributed to every player in the NFL at the beginning of every season. So with that, let's get to Super Bowl champ Steve Weatherford, who won Super Bowl 46 with the Giants in 2012. and we talk everything, mindset, fitness, and Super Bowl predictions. This is Steve's second appearance on the podcast. You can check him at episode 46 as well.

He spent 10 years as a punter in the NFL, and despite what you might think about punters, he was twice voted the fittest man in the league. Yeah, that's crazy, but it's true. He is really, really, really, really fit. He's been on whoop for a long time. And we talk a little bit about his whoop data, some of his training habits, how he's gone from being a bodybuilder to now training for a hundred mile ultramarathon. We talk, of course, about that moment winning the Super Bowl standing on the top of the mountain. And guess what? It actually wasn't this moment of euphoria for him. He felt deep sadness after winning the Super Bowl. So this is a really fascinating episode as well around mindset. mental health, what drives really successful people. Steve and I discuss the importance of relationships and why he believes it's the true

currency of life, how he goes about creating a life filled with the most important things to him, what Tom Brady's career teaches us about consistency and how that can lead to greatness, and how he handicaps the Super Bowl, his pick for the big game, and spoiler, why he thinks quarterback Joe Burrow is primed for the big moment. Okay. As a reminder, you can get 15% off. Woop membership. Use the code Will. That includes the brand new Woop 4.0. And without further ado, here is Steve Weatherford. Steve, welcome back to the Woop podcast. Man, it's good to be back here. Man, it's an exciting time of year. I feel like you and I haven't caught up forever. I feel like last time you and I had like a real conversation was like right in the middle of like right when the pandemic. But man, I'm so happy and I'm so proud of what you guys have done and how you've grown and how you've impacted. It couldn't have been like more God timing with your technology to come to

scale at the same time when everybody was really, really sick, man. So it's really cool to be on your team. It's cool to come on here and have some conversation, timely conversations about kind of like what's going on in sports right now, what's going on in health and wellness and biohacking and family and marriage and life, man. It's good to be here. Well, it's good to see you. And, you know, one thing I love about He's got a great positive attitude for life. And I remember, I think you sent me a video in March or April of 2020, right, when COVID hit. And you're like, hey, man, we're going to get through this. How you doing?

And you've just always had that, you know, I think phenomenal, upbeat way about you. Well, you know what, Will, thanks for saying that. I appreciate that. Something that I really, I want to say I focus on, but something that I really value a lot is learning, relationships and experiences, and especially when you find people in life. I mean, I'm creeping on 40 years old, just turned 39. And the older I get, the more that I realize that relationships are really like the currency of life. I've old enough now that I've achieved, like some pretty radical things. Well, like some things I never thought that I would achieve. Come to find out,

It really wasn't, it really wasn't the competition. It really wasn't the trophy. It was really, I find myself really valuing the struggle, really valuing like, I never thought in a million years I would miss training camp. But I don't miss training camp. I remember, I miss doing hard things with people that I love. And so I'll kind of circle this back to like how you and I came together because I had been into biohacking and I had been into science and I played pro athletics for

10 years in a national football league won a Super Bowl with the New York Giants if you know if none of you guys know who I am I'm not surprised I'm a punner so I'll tell you a little bit about myself I played the you don't look like a punner that's because I got a lot of free time now man I really don't though I'm in about seven days I'll be married for 15 years and that's the greatest accomplishment of my life because you can build and deepen meaningful relationships while also developing yourself and and that's really just kind of a life philosophy that I've adapted after leaving the NFL. And whoops have been a big part of that because when you do a lot of outpouring,

you got to make sure that you're getting oxygen first so you can make sure that everybody else around you, my wife, my kids, my employees, my friends, so I can make sure that I serve them and love them best. Well, there's a great theme that you just hit there, which is a theme for your life, and it's this idea of valuing relationships over achievements. And I want to just spend a second honing in on the achievement side for our audience that's getting to know Steve Weatherford or maybe knows him

but doesn't realize what he values. Talk for a second about what these achievements are that you look at over the last 39 years of your life and you think of as important milestones in your life and then we'll get to the relationship side of it. Before I talk about the achievements, I want to talk about like the fuel for which I used to pursue those. I mean, I was really, when I was really young

and I know there's a lot of athletic people that listen to this, so they'll probably connect with this. I was diagnosed with extreme ADHD. The only time I really felt celebrated was when I was playing sports. I mean, think about it. When is like hyperactivity and like motion most richly rewarded? It's when you're playing sports. I created this identity of myself at that young age that I'm only valuable will when I win, right?

And so you would imagine what that would do to somebody who's 9, 10 years old. I went all in on sports like I trained so mother flipping hard. And when I remember watching videos of myself, when I was a kid, my mom pulled out some VHSs. And I was the only kid on the court that wasn't smiling. It was so serious to me. And we would win. And like everybody would be like, oh, they'd be so happy. But to me, it was an expectation.

So I never celebrated the wins. And if we lost, I totally, like, totally owned it. I don't know, like depression, you know, because I was worthless. That led me to doing really incredible things as an athlete. And it led me to do incredible things developing my body because I was, 108 pounds five foot eight as a freshman in high school so when i said god bless me you know as an athlete he didn't give me like big muscles and you know these different and for people who aren't looking at a photo of you right now what what give us your your dimensions today um i'm six foot three

i'm 39 about 236 pounds and i just ran a marathon like three days ago so like my cardio is really strong i didn't run super fast but i ran a marathon at almost 240 you're fit as hell i became obsessed well at like 13 years old, like obsessed with muscle magazines and nutrition and supplementation and all these different things. Protein. Yeah. Well, I mean, it was protein, but it was also like I was going to the library and reading like encyclopedias, like totally nerding out on it. And just learning what I could learn and, you know, what I could afford by cutting grass. I would go buy these, those different supplements and figure out what works, what doesn't work, and really developed my body into a machine

to the point where I was for sport, all state in high school, got a whole bunch of scholarships for all different sports, ended up taking a scholarship to the University of Illinois to run track, play football, had an incredible career there, but still had the same mindset like, I'm worthless unless I win, and the ultimate goal was like, dude, I'm going to get to the pros. And the reason I chose football out of high school is because I could have played basketball or soccer. But chances of me going pro in those just in my mind was like, well, dude, I'm already kicking the distances that the pros and the NFL are kicking. I think this is my shot. I never really loved football, but I wanted to be the best of something. I wanted to prove to other people like I was

valuable, especially my father. Like I'm trying to achieve something outside of myself to like plug this like this God's size hole inside of me like meaning purpose. Like I would achieve these things and nothing would feel different. I remember that the the day we won the Super Bowl, it was February 5th, 2012. So and I had already won like, you know, the fitness awards and the philanthropic awards and And so in my mind, Will, I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, dude, when I win this, this is going to be the thing. Because this is like every little boy, regardless of you liked football or not, because everybody cared about it, you used to pretend like, I'm in the backyard catching a football. Now, granted, I wasn't catching or throwing any football as well, but I was in, I was in the Super Bowl, you know, and I was one of the best players in the world at my position. And it was 47 miles from my hometown, and I had the best game of my entire life.

And so after the game, I remember looking for my family and we come down, we take pictures, Al Roker's interviewing me, you know, Michael Strand, all these people are all of it, Regis Philbin. And they went to interview me. I thought it was the craziest thing ever. We go to the after party. It's unbelievable. My mom, my dad, my grandma, all my friends are there. And if they weren't there, they were watching on TV.

124 million people watched that game. And I had the game of my life. Interested frame this. This is Giants Patriots 2012. Yeah, sorry. We beat Tom Brady. So he just retired. He's got seven.

You're one of like 150 people to beat Tom Brady in a Super Bowl. Incredible after party. We're celebrating and everything. And then about 1 o'clock, I go back, remember putting my key card in and walking through my hotel room, Will, and then I walk up to this big window and we're in Circle City, Indianapolis, Indiana. I remember looking down.

It's about 1.130. And it's just an ocean of people. Well, they're celebrating. Like they're having the time of their life. And I remember taking a deep breath. And before I could, like, exhale it, I just remembered this, like, massive wave of depression coming over me because it was at that point, well, I realized it really didn't matter what I did, like, extrinsically, there was nothing that I could achieve or do, or there's nothing that the scoreboard could say that would make me feel better about who I am. And so I knew at that point, like, my seasons in the NFL were numbered. I knew that I would play more seasons because I was about to sign a contract extension, but I just knew that.

that the NFL wasn't going to fill that hole inside of me. It hit you immediately. I mean, that is an incredibly profound statement. If anyone listening to this who thinks that they can succeed their way to happiness, I think that's all you need to hear. You know, there has to be some level of gratitude or giving or camaraderie that goes along with that success to, frankly, release the right chemicals. like you were you were just operating on a dopamine system that burned out you got to the top of the

mountain because you told yourself when i get there i'm going to be so happy and when you got there it wasn't what you were expecting at all like what you said was it's guys listen it's it's it's more than your achievement steve's done some crazy things and it didn't change anything for him and and then you followed it up with you've got to attach different things to that you've got to attach, you know, generosity and Thanksgiving. And the other thing you said was camaraderie. And to be honest with you, well, like, I had all those things when I did that I was so freaking thankful that I was like in the NFL.

Are you kidding me? I'm from Tarot, Indiana, man. I'm a tobacco chewing 108-pound freshman, you know, just a knucklehead. Right, right, right. So I was really thankful. I had camaraderie and the respect of my teammates, you know. And I was generous when I was there. I think it's even a level deeper than that.

And I really went with the listeners to be able to, like, just ask yourself some really serious questions. I don't want you to do what I did. I don't want you to set a bunch of really big goals for yourself. And every single time you get to one of those big goals that you never thought that you would get to, you get there, you realize it's not, it didn't make you feel the way that you thought it was going to feel or didn't change your life or your mindset, your relationships, your circumstances, the way that you thought it was. So you think the goal needs to be bigger. And I'm all for goal orientation. But I think at the end of the day, our lives are truly about the becoming and not the arrival. A lot of the times we think the mission that we're on is the purpose of our lives.

And so once we do, once we complete that mission, we think that we're supposed to arrive. But that's only a waypoint. Life is about growing. And one of the ways that whoop has helped me to do that is it helps me manage myself. Like it helps me say, like, Steve, you're ready to go ham today. And on other days that I think that it's time to really tune it up and go, it's like, well, you know, you should slow down. No, I'll be honest with you, Will. Don't look at my metrics.

Sometimes I don't listen to what the teacher says. Sometimes the teacher says, hey, slow down. You should use some recovery today. And I go hard as a mother. But my point is, it's just really good to have somebody outside of you that doesn't want to judge you, that doesn't want to benefit you and only wants to help you. And so I'm certainly not saying that whoop is God. But whoop doesn't want anything from me, you know? It is purely metrics.

Let's talk for a second about WOOP because you've been on WOOP for many years. I think you were one of the early consumers to join the product, and that's, of course, how we got to know each other. And you are a ridiculously hard-charging dude. One of the reasons I started the company was because I thought the hardest driving people, and in particular athletes who over-trained, need a tool to hold them back i was you know Harvard squash player and i would over train in a different way than i imagine you've

overtrained but but nonetheless same concept right where you just go go go right more is more period and how do you create a governing system so i know that you're now i think you might argue the fittest you've ever been i know you're your training you just ran a marathon you're incredibly fit talk a little bit about how you use whoop strain recovery sleep what it's been useful for yeah one thing i've really been nerden up in the last like two months because to be honest with you for the first year i didn't pay attention at all to when they said go this is when you go to bed this is when you wake up but it's kind of like you know you get to where you're like well i actually kind of trust this thing a little bit it really started to

show you the metrics and you actually felt that way so i would get to the point where i'm like i'm gonna guess what it is because i kind of feel like crap and my knees and back are a little inflamed. I went hard yesterday. And I got to the point where, man, it started to reflect about how I felt, you know? And so I started to trust it more. And so to answer your question, what's the, what's the thing? How do I use it? But definitely helps manage yourself if you're just purely a weight lifter. But what I've noticed is once I get into more of the overall wellness, health, you know, like high intensity interval training, running, even hot yoga. I've been using the heart rate monitor like real time, especially in these longer duration runs that I'm doing.

Because to be honest with you, I've never, ever, and my whole life ran further in training than like three miles. Because if you're a sprinter, a jumper, a basketball player, a football player, like over three miles, it's kind of like a reduced return on your investment of energy. So I never really did it. But now some of my training days, because I'm getting ready to run 100 miles later this year in late fall, is I really, really need to learn how to make. manage my energy for 24 hours because this race is going to I'm going to be running for 24 hours and that's

going to kick your ass yeah and so that's not going to be something well where you can just tough it out mentally and physically where I'm going to be able to rely on this like overdeveloped you know physicality and overdeveloped mentality of like oh freaking run till I die well you are going to die dummy unless you manage yourself eat well hydrate well and so I'm really having to take and I like it but I'm having to take my training to the next level of the next level because now I've always been really explosive from my training.

I've been strong and I've been flexible and, you know, my build. But endurance, endurance is like I would say if I rank that, I'm like rookie level. You know, some of the other areas of overall wellness and, you know, physical development, I'm very developed, but from an endurance standpoint,

like it's very humbling, but in a great way, because here's the deal, if I really do feel like I'm in the best shape of my life, I'm at halftime, Will. Think about it. You know, like I believe in the name of Jesus, I'll live longer than 78, right?

However, I'm going to live my life like there is no tomorrow, but I want to live my life like there is no tomorrow with the highest quality of life. You know, I know, based upon what Whop has told me over the last, I want to say it's probably 25 or 26 months now, I operate best off of about a seven hours and nine minutes of sleep. So if I know at least if your boy can get seven, nobody can touch me. And I say that respectfully because I know I'm getting what I need.

And if I control the controllables, if somebody beats me or I don't do well, I can actually accept that as like, okay, this is a learning lesson for me. I controlled the controllables. I just didn't execute well. And so for me, it really helps competing. It helps training. I mean, I got six kids, too. We didn't really talk about that.

So, like, we didn't talk a lot about training and athletics and stuff like that. But just so you guys know, I put way more time, way more intentionality and way more strategy into the husband and the father than I am than any of this, you know, physicality, sports, mindset stuff in this season of my life because my kids are 14, 12, 9, 6, 4, and 8 months. And I know that I'm not going to get these years back, you know, and I'm not working. I have no goal of like, oh, at 60. I'm going to retire. Dude, I'm going to be rolling like this until they put dirt on my body. You know, I'm not working for retirement. And so if that's the case, man, I want to make sure that I'm keeping the main thing, the main thing while I can because I don't want to retire at 60 and be

like, okay, now I want to be a great husband and a great father. So all of you kids come spend time with me. No, they're going to be like, dude, you were a jerk. You were too busy. You were gone. You were speaking. You were competing. We don't know you. So that just, I just choose for that not to be me and I have a vision, you know, when I'm 60 years old, that my children are getting married and they're actually coming back to the city that I live in because they want to live near to me. So I don't just want to have a great relationship with my kids. I want my kids to choose me later on in life. And that, to me, that is better and bigger than any Super Bowl that I could ever win, because at the end of the day, when I'm dead and gone, those trophies can be lost.

I actually lost my Super Bowl ring. I found it again, but I lost my Super Bowl ring. So my point is those things can go away. the impact and the character traits that I develop in my children and the impact that I have on the people that live around me and do life with me, that's true impact. I love it. Let me ask you this question. If you're listening to this and you're a little bit out of shape

and you aspire to get back into shape or be the fittest you've ever been, what are like the two or three quick hit tips from Steve Weatherford? I would say have the ultimate vision, of a rhythm for yourself, right? And that's the thing, like, when we listen to music, we love it because it's got a rhythm. It's flowing, right?

We don't like to listen to a plan. We don't like to listen to a routine. We like to listen to a rhythm. But in order for you guys, if you're listening to this and you haven't found that wellness rhythm, you haven't found that relationship rhythm, you haven't found that learning rhythm, start with a plan, right?

And I think the plan for you is, after you're done this podcast, like write down the things that matter most to you and then start to design with a routine, a life that includes those things that matter most to you because if you live a life of meaning, you'll live a life that matters most to you. I created a construct from my life predicated off of what could I do that with appease and make other people happy. So find out what's important to you and design a life that is full of it. If you love relationships, design a business, design a life, design a routine that includes that. And it might take you a year. It might take you two years, but guess what? Like for me,

I got about 39 years to go. I'm 39 years old right now. The average age is 78.3. Relationships are important to me. My dad, my dad's 67. So if he lives another 12 years, think about that. I don't know how old you are as you listen to this, but how old is your dad, your mom, you know, your brothers, sisters. And then I want you to think about this for my dad. 12 more years I'll have him, right? According to science. I see him twice a year. That means I'm going to see my father 24 more times before he's gone. That hits different, dude. Think about that. And so in order for you and I to live a life that matters most, it's not about six packs. It's not about abs. It's not about trophies. It's not about money.

those things those are the things that are going to naturally occur when you're living a life that matters to you because it's not going to be it's not going to be something you're like oh i'm going to show up on monday no no no you said you love this so let's go start with a plan and once you get a plan make that your routine and if you stay in that routine long enough it will become your rhythm there's a scripture in the bible it's galatians 6 9 it says do not grow weary and doing good for in due season you will reap if you don't give up and that's a word for everybody listening to this right now like if you're not doing good start doing good get a plan start doing good for in due season if you don't give up doing good you will reap if you don't give up but at the end of

the day you're the only one that's going to pull yourself out of the mud wash yourself off find out what matters most you get into a routine and then find that rhythm where you're just flowing, man, where relationships are coming to you, where you're going to relationships where finances are flowing in your direction and you're not grinding, you're receiving grace. And I believe that, that to me, that is my aim in life. Well, phenomenal advice and I think what you call rhythm, I probably call consistency because I feel like consistency's the secret. Since it's Super Bowl week, we got to talk a little bit about the Super Bowl and the NFL. Let's hit the Hot topics. Tom Brady just retired. What do you make of his career? Well, you said it earlier. You know,

you said consistency. I would say it would be a combination of consistency and alignments. And when I say alignments, I have a relationship philosophy that the who that you do life with will determine the what you do in life. And so I believe that early on Tom understood that. And in the offseason, remember, I mean, dating back 20 plus years, there were always articles of Tom doing a new diet that nobody's done before, Tom doing a new type of training that nobody's done before. And he would always, every single offseason, he would go seek out new experts. He would go seek out new gurus. And he would work with these guys. And he would add on to his game in the off season, every single off season. I just saw a lot of guys in the NFL that got there on a lot of physical talent and a lot

of physical gifts and there's an interesting statistic that there's more and I haven't checked this in a couple years but when I retired there was a higher percentage of undrafted free agents that played 10 years in the national football league like I did I was undrafted and I played for 10 years there's more of us that play for 10 years than first rounders isn't that interesting so the first rounders are the the the most freaky football most highest I would say ability athletes in the NFL draft. So how are the guys that aren't drafted at all playing longer? And it is my hypothesis that it's because those are the guys that don't think they belong there.

They had to work really hard to get there. And then in the off seasons, I would watch these undrafted free agents just grinding, grind and grinding, grind, because I was a grinder. And I would watch these first rounders just kind of like stroll in because they knew that their contracts were guaranteed because their signing bonuses were so. big and so they didn't have that motivation. Tom Brady was a six-rounder, which is pretty much undrafted free agent. I think his signing bonus was like $42,000. Mine was $7,500 and I was undrafted, so they're pretty much about the same.

So circling back on your question, I think it's the consistency of creating new alignments and growing every single year. We've got the Bengals and the Rams. Do some picks on here? Yeah, we're going to do some picks. This is a, we've become talking heads now. I like Joe Burrow, by the way, man.

The guy's got swagger. He's got a lot of confidence, right? He does, man. Nice natural confidence. All right, so who do you think is going to win the game? I like the teams that have momentum going into the Super Bowl. You know, like guys that are flying high. And it's really, a lot of the times it's predicated off of the game before.

You know, did they win a really close one? Did they overcome the odds? Joe Burrow got no business being in the Super Bowl, man. He's flying high. He doesn't realize how big of a game this is. I mean, and the point is, it's a good thing. He did it at LSU. The guy's a winner, you know, so I like the Bengals.

I also like the Bengals. I think the story around the Rams is a good one. You got Sean McVeigh, who I've spent some time with a very thoughtful guy. He went all in. He went all in, right? He made all these off-season moves. And it's a good Matt Stafford story. shows if you end up on the wrong team

maybe you never get the potential you deserve and often you don't see that story play out right he got to he joins a different team with a different coach and now he's playing in the Super Bowl I don't know if you'd want a playoff game before that right not to change the subject but the halftime show

is going to be lit did you see who's great half time show oh my gosh it's like all my favorites is like Eminem Dr. Dre Snoop dog who else is doing it Kendrick Lamar is in it Yeah. It's going to be, no, it's going to be awesome.

All right, who's going to win the Super Bowl MVP? We've got Joe Burrow plus 230. That's a pretty good bet. I'll tell you the bet I like Aaron Donald plus 1,800. He's going to be hungry, too. If the Rams win that game, which is, you know, kind of a toss-up at this point, looking at the odds, there's probably a better than one-and-18 times chance that he has, like, three sacks, and just menaces.

That's a good bet. Yeah, he's going to be hungry, man. And he's got some momentum coming from that last game. And people aren't talking about him. You know, when you've got a guy who's arguably the best guy on the field, let alone in the sport, and people aren't talking about you, that kind of gets at you a little bit. Everyone's talking about Stafford.

Everyone's talking about McVeigh, Burrow, Chase. I haven't heard much about Donald. I like that. All right, high scoring game, low scoring game. We got over under a 48 and a half points. I think we're going to go over I think it's going to be awesome I think it's going to be high scoring

I think it's going to be like 31 to 28 bangles okay I'm going to go the other way I think it's going to be low scoring I think it's going to be well under I think you get two quarterbacks who are stoked but they're going to be a little nervous

in the first half and it's going to be like seven three at half time kind of game and then you'll see some action in the second half but I've got this at like you know 21, 18, something in that district.

Joe Burrow doesn't even know what nervousness is. Let's go, young warrior. Let's go. Where can people find you, Steve? They want to know more about the great Steve Weatherford. Well, I don't know about the great Steve Weatherford, but if you want to know about me, I'm active on social media.

One thing that I would love for people to do is, man, I would love for you guys to listen to my podcast as well. You know, it's high performance. Steve Weatherford show the high performance tactics for high performance. life i've actually hasn't haven't recorded for two months we're about to start recording and we're going to do about three episodes per week and i'm really really excited about it because when you i haven't taken two months off you know we were talking about earlier i go so hard i've never taken two months off and not just from um from podcasting youtube and all that stuff like i didn't lift weights for two

months and that's the longest it's been in my entire life and i think that's you know i got back into it six weeks ago and i think that's why my body's responding as well as what it is so that would be encouragement out there to you guys don't be afraid to rest and i feel like a lot of us feel like we need to work for rest but i believe the most effective way for you to perform mentally physically emotionally and spiritually is for you to work from rest all said okay brother well this has been a pleasure i look forward to doing your podcast at some point and uh it's been awesome getting to catch up with you thank me for doing this yeah man i'm proud of you i'm proud of what you uh what you guys have built and i believe in you I appreciate you, man. Thanks for having me on.

Thank you to Steve for coming on the WOOP podcast. If you enjoyed the podcast, please leave us a rating or a review. Don't forget to subscribe. You can check us out on social at WOOP and at Will Ahmed. Remind, you can get 15% off a W-W-M membership by using the code Will. That's W-I-L-L. And with that, stay healthy, folks. Stay in the green.

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