WHOOP Podcast - Year in Review: Unpacking 2023's Health and Wellness Trends
Episode Date: December 13, 2023On this week’s episode, WHOOP Founder and CEO Will Ahmed is joined by WHOOP SVP of Data Science and Research, Emily Capodilupo. The pair are talking all things Year in Review for 2023. Take a deep d...ive into the data from WHOOP members across the globe, and learn how you can unlock your human performance. Will and Emily will discuss the year at large at WHOOP (1:55), the top trending activities in the WHOOP Community (6:45), the top Strength Trainer exercises (15:05), the top questions asked to WHOOP Coach (16:01), WHOOP members committing to Recovery (16:13), journal behaviors on the rise in 2023 (24:17), sex trends across the WHOOP Community (28:48), and how stress impacted WHOOP members throughout 2023 (30:17).Support the showFollow WHOOP: www.whoop.com Trial WHOOP for Free Instagram TikTok YouTube X Facebook LinkedIn Follow Will Ahmed: Instagram X LinkedIn Follow Kristen Holmes: Instagram LinkedIn Follow Emily Capodilupo: LinkedIn
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What's up, folks?
Welcome back.
Whoop podcast.
Big happy holidays to all of you listening to our year-in review podcast.
That's right.
This is always a fun one.
I'm your host, Will Ahmed, founder and CEO of Whoop.
And we're on a mission to unlock human performance.
I'm going to be joined by our SVP of data science and research, Emily Capitalupo.
And we are going to break.
down 2023, year-in-review episode.
And if you're a WOOP member, make sure to go to the WOOP app and check out your
year-in-review.
You can think of this as the Spotify wrapped of your health and fitness and all things
whoop data.
Emily and I are going to dive into some of the major product releases we had this year.
The top activities are members logs, recovery modalities that people were using to stay in
green, sleep trends around the globe, and then some of the top superlatives from this year
around sex, sleep, stress, alcohol, and more. Great one ahead for you. As a reminder,
if you have a question, what's answered on the podcast? Email us podcast at whoop.com. Call us
508-443-4952. Here is the 2023-whoop year in review.
Okay, Emily, we are live and we are in our first recording.
of the new WOOP podcast studio, which seems appropriate given that we're going to recap the year.
Our Year in Review, 2023 podcast, I think it's always one of our favorites.
Yeah, excited to be back and do this podcast with you again.
We're going to hit some of our banner moments throughout the year, and then we're going to do,
I think everyone's favorite deep dive on Woop data.
I'll start just by saying that I think this was a great year for WOOP as,
an organization because we launched a lot of new features. And we heard from the WOOP community that
this was one of our best years ever from that standpoint. A total of 70 new releases in software,
data science, research, many things that are really enhancing the overall product. We often say that
because WOOP is a membership, we feel this responsibility to be constantly innovating. Some of our
sort of banner new features or biggest releases included the stress.
monitor. So that was earlier in the year, followed shortly by the strength trainer, which
now gives people muscular strain credit for weightlifting workouts, reps, exercises, weight
counting. More recently, the Whoop coach, which is our AI partnership with OpenAI, allowing
you to communicate directly with Whoop. We came out with a notification center, behavior impacts,
shortly of the year in review in the WOOP app.
Emily, what are some of your reflections on all the software we released this year?
Yeah, like you said, it was incredible to see how a lot of the foundational pieces
that we had been building on in previous years got to manifest in really exciting experiences
for our members with just one after the next, like banging out feature releases all year long.
And, you know, you could see it in the team.
They were so excited about what they were building and the value they were delivering to our members.
and then really incredible to see that feedback reflected back by our members.
You know, they were, you know, in all of the surveys and different things that we do.
You know, it was one of our happiest years for our members, which, you know, ultimately is the thing that we're the most proud of.
Just, you know, helping people unlock human performance and really understand their bodies and figuring out where some of those gaps were.
And then, you know, getting to kind of cash in on that work that we've been doing in some places for years where now these really exciting different features came out.
So what's been your favorite feature personally to use?
I was worried you were going to ask me that.
It's like picking a favorite child.
But I think that, you know, it's hard to pick anything other than whoop coach.
I think that what coach does that's so incredible is it takes all of the really complicatedness of whoop and, you know, the deep science.
And it just lets you like abstract it all the way and act as if you're talking to a real person, right?
And so you don't have to worry about like I don't like numbers.
I don't like graphs, you know, data scares me.
That's okay.
If you understand that data is important, just text with whoop coach as if you're texting
with a real human, talking to a friend, and still get that same like super personalized,
super actionable advice.
And so just seeing that whoop became so much more accessible, it's also incredible how
coach can talk to you in many languages and things like that.
And so just that level of accessibility feels like a real leap forward in terms of, you know,
ability to help people. Yeah, and if you're listening to this and you haven't tried the
Whoop Coach, I would just encourage you to go into the app and ask it any question. How could I
improve my HRV? How does my data compare to people like me? You know, when should I be going to
bed? Just start trying to talk to it. And I think you'll be impressed by what it throws back.
I think for me, my favorite feature has been the strength trainer because now I've got my personal
trainer on it and he's sending me workouts through it and I'm able to do workouts anywhere in
the world and whoops keeping track of all of it and my and now I'm getting a lot more credit which
matters to me to be able to have higher strain scores when I do weightlifting anyway it's been
pretty terrific okay transitioning here it's also a big year for growth we introduced free trials
which is pretty exciting for folks who aren't familiar with that you can literally sign up for
whoop for free for 30 days uh we added some great new members to our team I've got a new CFO Mitch
Chandley, joining us from Fanatics and Nike. We've got Ed Baker joining us as her chief growth
officer. He comes from Uber and Facebook. He founded any question. So it's been a pretty
amazing year. And we moved into our new headquarters here in one Kenmore. We're recording
this out of the podcast studio in our new headquarters. If you're interested to know what our
headquarters looks like, I posted a drone video on my social media. That's a
at Will Ahmed, and you can see a full-blown tour of our Woop H-Q.
All right, with that, I think we're going to transition to diving into the data.
So this is looking at de-identified data across the entire WOOP community.
And we're going to give you a sense for some trends.
All right, why don't we start with the theme of strain and activities?
Let's talk about what activities we saw increase in popularity from 2022 to 2023.
Yeah, it was really interesting to look at this list because there's two things that get mushed
when you look at the activities that have increased on loop.
One is actually what activities have become more popular.
And we're definitely seeing kind of breakout favorites from a couple of years ago,
like pickleball continue to become more and more popular.
There is an 85% increase in pickleballing on whoop, which is huge.
But then the other thing that you also see is that as activities are changing on whoop,
that's a reflection of our changing demographics.
And as whoop becomes more international, we get a lot of data on sports that we didn't
use to see all that often, you know, great examples of that are things like Gaelic football.
Gaelic football, the third highest trending activity with an 88% increase on whoop from last year.
And then, you know, number two was, I'm going to say this wrong, hurling kamoji.
Can we get a fact check on that? Hurling kamoji. Did we say that right? So that's number two, 110% increase. I love number one.
Yeah. So this one, I think, is an example, not of the change in demographics, but actually a change in popularity. So the number one increased activity with an increase of 183% is taking an ice bath, which we know is such a
powerful recovery tool, but kind of unpleasant and maybe a little daunting to get into. And so,
you know, I think it takes a lot for somebody to say, I'm going to try this thing. But I think
that, you know, what we've seen is that once you give it a try, you realize it's a really powerful
recovery modality. And it does have an addictive quality to it, which is why I'm also not
surprised to see it increase so much because I think people who started trying it probably got
hooked on it. At number 10, commuting, that's up 26%. That feels like maybe a bit of the COVID
hangover. Yeah, yeah, I think that's the post-COVID, right, that people had been working from home
and we've seen, at least across the U.S., a big rollback of those work from home policies,
lots of companies calling their teams back into the office. So people are commuting a lot more.
And I think the other thing that's coupled into that is not just that people are commuting
more. But because we spent all that time at home, there's an increased awareness that commuting
is really tough on your body. It's stressful. It's time consuming. And so I think it's not just
happening a lot more, but people are really interested in tracking it and optimizing it. There's a lot of
commuting hacking. So I think that it's both happening more and people are really interested in the
loop data. We've seen that especially with stress monitor. A lot of the anecdotal feedback I've
gotten around our stress monitor release is that people had no idea how stressful
and, like, tense they were on their commutes.
And, like, they would show me, you know, come into the office and show me their
stress monitor and be like, you could see that I sat in traffic, look at my stress
monitors through the roof.
And, you know, I think that's one of the things that's so powerful about the stress
monitor feature that you could start to get this appreciation for things that, like,
while you're doing, you're maybe not paying attention to.
And then you can start to action that, right?
Like a lot of people are telling you that they're doing, like, breathing exercises while
sitting in the car and stuff like that and trying to bring their stress down.
We've got Cricket as our eighth most trending activity, up 32% year over year.
This may be the international side of things as well.
You know, we haven't even formally launched in India, but I got a bunch of messages because
Varat Koli, who apparently is like the Michael Jordan of cricket.
Shout out, Varat, if you're listening to this, thank you for wearing whoop.
But I have noticed a lot of an uptick in interest from India in part because I think
of him. And that probably speaks to the growth in cricket.
Yeah. And I think even sports like soccer that are popular here, you know, that's our number
six sport. It's up 37%. And that's probably also reflecting a lot of that international
growth. They call it football out there. And then at five, we've got rucking up 49%. This to me feels
like a shift in popularity. Like thematically, I've heard it just a lot more this year than in years
past. Yeah, I think people are realizing that it's just such a great workout, right? The value of
adding load, even if then you're doing something relatively low intensity, like walking. And
so I think there's an appreciation for what a lifespan and health span extending activity this
can be. Looking at just our top 10 activities on WUK, so these are the activities most logged.
in reverse order we've got 10 is yoga then spin then hit then box fitness then golf cycling at
five functional fitness four weightlifting three number two is running and number one
post-logged activity on loop is in fact walking anything on that list surprise you or or its order
no i think that list makes a lot of sense to me and i think that probably somewhat new to
that list is walking, which, you know, I think it probably always was number one, but people
weren't logging it as much. Yeah. And so I think it feels like it's taken its rightful place
finally. That's never been really on our top five or top 10 list. And again, I think it reflects this
new appreciation for this is, you know, something that's physiologically relevant and that people
want to track and want to understand what it's doing to their body and that like that time spent
in those zone two activities. So, you know, sort of elevated but still relatively low intensity
activities are so, so important. And I think that broadly we've seen an increased appreciation
for that as a recovery modality and just as a good practice. And so seeing a lot more people log
it, it feels like that this list is more correct than maybe it's been in previous.
This was a cool list. So this is now looking at activities by country relative to the world
average. So essentially what activities are very specific to a country. And India logs badminton
133% more than anywhere else. Egypt has squash. Shout out of Egypt. Canada ice hockey. Portugal
soccer, the Philippines basketball, Poland ice skating. Kuwait Stairmaster. Interesting.
Puerto Rico baseball. Portugal surfing. Denmark commuting. Russia swimming and
Qatar paddle. How about that? So those are sports or activities that are extremely common to a
specific country. All right. Editor's note, it was hurling kamoji as the second highest trending
activity on Wu. This is an interesting list, Emily. So it's looking at the highest average
frequency per week. And number one, meditation. I was excited to see that. Yeah. Again, that feels like
something that there's just every year it's climbing up on our list. And it feels daunting. I think it's hard
to learn to meditate. And sometimes it's like the first couple times you do it, you're not really
sure if you're doing it right or if you're doing anything. And people who give it a chance really get
addicted. And we're seeing people more willing to give it a chance. I think you have these
wonderful apps like Headspace and Calm that make it more accessible than it's ever been. I think
people are more focused on doing things like self-care and things that are good for them than they
ever have been. We definitely saw that alongside the COVID pandemic, there was a mental health
pandemic. And so people need these kinds of, you know, tricks and modalities. And it's amazing to
see people taking advantage of them because what's so wonderful about these things that we're
seeing really popular is one, they're extremely effective, but two, they're really accessible. Like,
you can do that for free from anywhere. It doesn't require any fancy equipment or anything like that.
And so I think sometimes people get daunted by, you know, how am I going to do these different things
and just being reminded that there's really, really effective, easy, and accessible things is comforting, powerful.
For those of you who use Strength Trainer, like I do, here are the top five exercises logged on Strength Trainer.
So starting at number five, pull-ups, that makes sense, four, bicep curls, dumbbells, three,
bench press, two, we've got the rope, tricep, push-down pulling machine, okay, and then number
one, lateral raise dumbbells. So my takeaway from that list is a lot of people on whoop are skipping
leg day. Where is the squat? Where is the deadlift? Yeah, it's funny. Definitely a skipping
leg day trend. I think also an interesting trend around things that don't require a ton of fancy
equipment. People are figuring out how to probably do a lot of this from home with relatively
little equipment. But yeah, never skip leg day. The top three questions asked of the whoop coach,
how can I improve my HRV? How does my sleep quality compare to others like me? How can I improve
my sleep quality? Okay, let's transition to recovery. Everyone,
loves their recovery score. And it does seem like people had an increased focus on recovery this
year. Yeah, excited to see that trend. An increased focus on recovery and increased focus on
recovery modalities. Definitely an increased focus on reducing sort of recovery harmful activities.
Like we saw a decrease in alcohol consumption and an increase in focus on circadian health
behaviors, different things like that. And so I think there's something really powerful about
realizing that your recovery score isn't random, right, and that you have a lot of these things
in control. And I wonder how much of that we can attribute to our behavior impacts feature that
launched. And that like when we really spell it out for you and make it super easy and accessible
in your app to see when you do these activities, here's what happens. It becomes kind of hard to
keep doing things that are harmful and really easy to keep doing the things that are helpful.
So WOOP members logged alcohol in their journals at a frequency of 29 percent that's down
8% from 2022. It's down 10% from 2021. So we are seeing a general decline in alcohol consumption
on WOOP. A drink of alcohol typically decreases a member's recovery score by 4%. So, and that's
for each drink. So, you know, you have three drinks. All of a sudden, you're off by 12% potentially.
Yeah. And I think there's two things behind that. One is that, you know, with the behavior
impacts feature. It's in your face. It's undeniable. That's really dramatic, you know,
4% for just one drink. I think a lot of people think of the first two or two drinks or so as being
kind of harmless or free. And the data just shows that that's not true. But then I think the other
thing that's really interesting is that at least in the Northeast, I've seen a big trend towards
less drinking broadly. And a lot of spaces making it more.
accessible to not drink or things like that.
Like there are cocktail bars that are opening up all over New York City that have only
non-alcoholic cocktails.
You know, Boston just had a quote unquote liquor store open where it's all zero-proof
alcohol.
And I think it's interesting to see that I think the world is catching on and it's easier
than it's ever been to be sober or alcohol-free.
And so I think it's this mix of people are seeing it in their data and really, you know,
kind of forced to come to terms of the fact that this is not good for us.
and then sort of the world making it easier than it's ever been. Hopefully that trend continues.
Let's talk about the recovery trends. Highest recovery day of the week is Monday. Average recovery score
of 63%. I guess that makes sense. People sleeping in maybe are going to bed early on Sunday.
It's the cashing in, right? You got like Saturday. You're still recovering from the week, right? Sunday
You're recovering. And so it's your peak recovery going into the work week because you've just gotten two days of restoration.
The best and worst recovery date of the year are actually followed by one another.
Let's see if people listening to this can come up with this for themselves.
What date do you think is the worst recovery day of the year?
And then immediately following, on average, the best recovery day.
Okay, going once, going twice.
That is worst recovery date January 1st, New Year's Day, 2023.
And then interestingly, the highest recovery date was then the second to follow.
Why the second one?
Well, I think, you know, after staying up late, probably drinking too much champagne on New Year's Eve, you know, you get people hung over.
But typically the first you have the day off, you're probably going to sleep in, rest, spend time with family.
All of those things are really good for you.
And so you're sort of set up very nicely to just kind of relax, recover, just all the feel goodness of time with family and friends and all of those good things.
And so we see that increase in sleep as people make up for the late night the night before.
I think it's one of our best sleep nights, too.
Yeah, that makes sense.
So those are very much related.
Okay, how about our top three countries by recovery?
So this is looking at the average recovery of a country coming in at number three, Norway with a 61% average,
the Netherlands with a 62% average, and Finland with a slightly higher, 62%.
Okay, we're going to do journal entries with best and worst recovery.
Okay, so we're going to start with the best, the things that are helping recovery the most.
I've got here blue light blocking glosses, mouth tape, high duration, shared bed, on average is quite positive, daylight eating, consistent bedtime's a big one, melatonin's a big one, and we're starting to track towards.
some of our highest. Reading in bed has a very positive effect on recovery. And then the number
one, not that surprising, sleep performance. On average is increasing recovery by 11 to 16% when it's
over a certain level. So there you have it. Anything, anything to reflect on? It's just really
highlighting the relationship between sleep and recovery. And if you invest in sleeping well,
That's probably the best thing you can do to boost your recovery.
A lot of your recovery score is made in the bed.
Okay.
The negatives, a familiar headline here of alcohol, on average, a negative 12 to 17% from alcohol.
A high strain day, that makes sense.
Fever, obviously, if you're sick, that's going to hurt your recovery.
Sleeping at altitude, that's a killer on whoop.
being sick, spending considerable time in the high stress zone.
Interestingly, taking ADHD medication, night shift, late meal, tobacco use, and then marijuana is on this list, although it's worth saying it's got a pretty wide variance.
So on average, it's minus 2%, but it could be as much as negative 6% for your recovery or plus 2% for the recovery.
What do we make of this list?
Yeah, not super surprising.
And I think some of the places where you're seeing those high variances, it depends a little bit with some of these things.
How you're using them, of course, like not all marijuana is the same thing.
Like some of it's more like if people are taking it to sleep, we do know that it does help you fall asleep and stay asleep longer.
But if you're doing it like socially, it might be associated with staying a plate with friends.
And so you're getting that effect.
I think for the most part, you know, when people are using different substances and things like that, especially ones that their body's not used to, it makes sense that it's going to disrupt sleep.
Most of these have some form of stimulant or some of them have some form of stimulant, like ADHD medication, often stimulant, tobacco stimulant.
Right. And I think, you know, you have to keep in mind that the way a lot of this data is created is we're looking at people like with tobacco, it's like when they smoke versus when they don't.
And so almost by definition, we're looking at people who aren't, you know, daily smokers.
And so a lot of times people who smoke infrequently, it's like they're smoking who go with friends.
So they're up late. They're doing something. Or, you know, there's a lot of people who only smoke when they drink.
So these things get correlated and you're starting to see what's coming in is like, what are these other activities they're doing?
What's that correlated with? And sometimes it's the broader picture that drives these trends and not necessarily the specific thing.
Although certainly if you're not used to it, you know, all of a sudden you fill your body with poison, you get.
kind of in this active state of not just the stimulant, but also kind of dealing with all of the
crud in your lungs and all of that kind of stuff. And so, you know, you're not going to feel great.
You know, you're going to be aware of like not smelling great, not being clean, like all of those
kinds of different things that just start sleep. We saw an uptick in some journal behaviors.
This was an interesting one, creatine, 41% increase in creatine. I was really surprised by that one
because creatine has been around forever.
It's one of the best-studied workout supplements, way better than, like,
Gway or Kaysen or the other kind of common proteins.
It's safe, super available.
I don't have an explanation for why it rocketed up this year.
It feels like something that's been popular for a long time.
To be honest, I was wondering if the release of strength trainer is encouraging people to do more
strength training or bringing more people on to who strength train. And so what we're seeing
in the increase is people shifting the way they're exercising. And if you're doing more strength
training, you might want more of those kind of protein supplements. But I didn't have any other
explanation for that. I don't have another explanation other than that. That was the case for me, too,
personally. Like, this is the first year I started taking creatine. And I was thinking about how I got
turned on to it and why now. And I do think there's a little bit more of just like a general
awareness of the benefits of creatine. For what it's worth, I've actually really enjoyed taking it. I take
five to 10 grams a day, and I find it improves your muscle recovery considerably. Oh, yeah. And there's
great, like, peer-reviewed research that shows that it's effective and, you know, it's well studied.
So it was interesting to see, like, why this year? Because I don't know, I mean, I don't have this data,
but I don't know if, like, nationally or globally, creatine sales are up. Because I don't know
that there was something like a big new breakthrough or anything like that surrounding
we've touched on this a little bit earlier but just a massive uptick in hot cold therapy right
sauna's up 37 percent steam rooms up 35 percent ice bath 34 percent increase again it feels like
more and more people are recognizing the benefits of it it may also just be that the
population gravitates to these things as they become more popular yeah it's really interesting
And it would be interesting for us to, like, survey our members and ask them why they've done these things and, you know, what turned them on to it.
You know, none of those things, I would say, are particularly new.
They've been around for a really long time.
But, you know, definitely super effective.
And one of the wonderful things about them is with pretty rare exceptions, they're known to be quite safe.
And so for people who – and maybe this is the trend we're seeing, right?
It's like people don't want to put drugs and things in their body.
bodies. And so hot, cold therapy, which has been shown to be really effective, is a nice
drug-free alternative to recovery modalities. One more on drinking. So Ireland, on nights when people
drink, on average, four drinks. That's the highest we've got. To put that in comparison,
the U.S. is at 2.7 drinks. And Germany, 2.7. Australia is coming in second.
at 3.3 drinks. So this is on average. One people drink in a night. How many drinks do they
have? Anyway, I think that Ireland kind of lived up to its reputation, lived up to its reputation
there. Well, this is an interesting graph that we've got here. So this is looking at alcohol
trends by age. And what we see is as you get older, your drinking becomes more
regular or more frequent, but the number of drinks declines. So we're seeing the 20-year-olds on
who are drinking less frequently, but drinking a lot. And then, you know, we're seeing the 50 and 60-year-olds
drinking often, but they've got their drink count down to, you know, under two drinks or so.
Yeah, and I think that, like, tracks with my general understanding of people, right? I think
older people are more likely to, you know, have a scotch or a beer with dinner or whatever, glass of wine and just stop at one.
And I think younger people are more likely to have their sort of weekend social life revolve around drinking and then drink a lot.
As you get older, those heavy drinking nights also seem to punish you a lot more.
So they kind of naturally weed themselves out, but you probably higher disposable income and different things are going to mean that you're going to have wine or whatever at home.
So I think that tracks.
Okay.
Why don't we look here at data on sex across the WOOP population?
So our top five states for reporting sex, interesting list here.
Number five, Nevada, on average, 1.2 times per week.
Idaho, 1.2 times per week.
Alabama, 1.3 times per week.
Oklahoma, 1.3 times per week.
And then Utah, 1.4 times per week having sex.
What's your take there?
Good for Utah.
Utah winning.
Yeah.
And then I guess the most popular country for sex is the U.S.
On average, just over once a week.
Yeah.
And I think, you know, it's hard to know really what to make of this data, right?
Like, how much of this is reflecting, you know,
different in age demographics that we have in different countries,
different things like that, which is kind of a fun, silly little list.
The country reporting the highest levels of masturbation is Ireland.
2.4 times per week.
Congratulations to Ireland.
So they drink the most, but then I guess they go home alone.
That might be that might be the correlation.
Okay, let's look at stress.
So days of the week that we see the longest time in the lowest stress zone.
So going in reverse chronicle order, so this is the least stressful day, is Monday, followed by Tuesday, followed by Wednesday, followed by Thursday, then Sunday, then Sunday, then Friday, and then Saturday, folks, is your least stressful day.
I don't know if you needed a whoop to tell you that, but that's what the data shows.
It is interesting how, you know, just the start of the week, boom, highest stress and then
like slowly declines over the course of the week.
Yeah, and I don't know if that's the effect of like cumulative sleep deprivation.
We definitely see in our data that people get less sleep, you know, Monday to Friday and
then they make up for it on the weekend.
And so as you go through your week Monday to Friday, you're becoming increasingly sleep
deprived, which you then make up for.
And so are we seeing that couple in?
are we seeing like work, stress accumulate, the stress of commuting that we talked about
earlier compounding.
So it would be interesting to understand what was driving that.
Not super surprising that it just trends with the week.
Interestingly, the average time spent in low stress seems to increase pretty directly with
age.
So, you know, folks in their 50s and 60s.
60s are having, you know, much lower stress. And folks in there's 20 and 30s and 40s seem
to be steadily climbing with stress. So essentially your life is going to get less stressful
according to whoop. 20-year-olds, you all are spending the most time being in higher stress
zones, followed by 30-year-olds, followed by 40-year-olds. And then it kind of plateaus out
and 50s and 60s seem to be similarly stressful to being in your 40s.
And that also feels like it just tracks with common sense.
Like I feel like I see, you know, older people, even just if you take, you know, our work
environment, like when something's going wrong, you just have that wisdom of experience
to be like, you know, don't freak out.
We got this versus like the young and new people tend to be, you know, respond more intensely
to the same thing.
And so as you get, you know, more reps under your belt and, you know, get comfortable with different things or just wisdom with age, I think it's harder to activate people.
They tend to be more even keeled.
And then there's probably also an element of, like, not having young kids around or different things like that.
All right.
Well, I think we covered a lot of ground here.
Good to see the world community making some strides, some new recovery modalities, obviously.
But overall, it's been a great year.
Emily, thanks for having.
Thanks so much for having.
Big thanks to Emily for joining me on the show.
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