Why Won't You Date Me? with Nicole Byer - The Truth About Drag Race Showmances (w/ Lydia B Kollins)

Episode Date: July 24, 2026

Drag queen Lydia B Kollins (Drag Race S17, All Stars S10) joins Nicole to spill the behind-the-scenes tea on her iconic Drag Race showmance with Kori King. Find out just how strict production really is when it comes to off-screen flirting, what it was like having their first kiss during a lip sync for your life, plus the reason why she fully ghosted Kori after filming wrapped.Plus, Lydia opens up about her history of dating women and "dabbling in the puss." She explains why she believes it's easier to love a woman than a man, and why she builds her live shows specifically for her sapphic fans. Finally, hear the story of why RuPaul personally bestowed her with the middle name "Butthole."Get tickets to her tour with Kori King and Suzie Toot, "ButtTootKing" at ButtTootKing.com.Watch this episode on our YouTube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@WhyWontYouDateMePodcastSupport this podcast by checking out our sponsors:• SmileSet: Listeners of our show get an additional 35% discount when they go to smileset.com/dateme. With this discount, you can get the smile of your dreams for under 13 hundred bucks!• Squarespace: Head to squarespace.com/DATEME to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code DATEME.• Sleep Doctor: Take back your sleep. Find out how at sleepdoctor.com.• Planned Parenthood: Donate to support Planned Parenthood now at plannedparenthood.org/defendCheck out all of our sponsors and discount codes at wwydm.notion.site/sponsors.Follow:All Links: linktr.ee/whywontyoudatemeTour Dates: linktr.ee/nicolebyerwastakenYouTube: @WhyWontYouDateMePodcastTikTok: @whywontyoudatemepod Instagram: @nicolebyerX: @nicolebyerThis is a Headgum podcast. Advertise on Why Won't You Date Me? via Gumball.fm.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You can catch her on tour with Corey King and Suze Tute in Buttoot King. This October. Get tickets at Buttoot King. com. And this is her first podcast appearance. It's ladies. You're good at that. This is like your job or something, huh?

It is. Okay, here's the thing. I've done a lot of stand-up. And when people bring you up with, like, credits or whatever, and they're so lackluster, I'm like, can't you just, like, put a little something on it? Yeah, a little spin. Like, we're excited. We're at a show. And I'm excited that you're here.

I'm so excited. I do want to start off. Well, first of all, come in a grass and it's a golf ball. What do you mean by that? Oh, like, jerk off into the grass and then gaslight me and say, that's not come. That's a golf ball. That's crazy. Okay.

I want to start off by saying I am a massive fan of you. I don't want to, like, give it too hard. I'm freaking out a little bit. because I used to watch Nailed it with my family, like, constantly. And it's the dumbest show in the world. It's so dumb. And my dad says hi. Well, hello, Daddy Collins!

I, it was, it's such a dumb show. It was so fun to make. I loved hosting it. And it's nice because people will be like, oh, I wash it with my parents. Yeah. And for whatever reason, it, like, warms my fucking heart. It's a family-friendly show. Yes.

And it's silly. And you don't have to, like, be great at everything, you know? I mean, no, you probably. should try to be good at most things. Yeah. Just, you know, some things. I'm a very big fan of yours. I think you are very talented.

I think the construction of your garments are so, it's fun. Like, it's drag. You know what I mean? Yeah. This look is fucking fun. Oh, thank you. How would you ever reach the glasses? They're all the way up here.

I know. Wait, I can't see what's happening. Somebody else. How does it feel that America got to see your love story? Oh, it's nice. It's lovely. It really is like, I mean, it's kind of like it feels invasive sometimes. But it's not to the point where it's like Timothy Shalamee and Kylie Jenner, you know. It's not like a crazy departure from reality. But it is sort of like as wonderful as it is stressful. Mm-hmm. I get that.

Yeah. So who put the moves on who first? Because I feel like Corey says it was you. He swears. But that's not the case. He told the story, I think, last time when I was like in the van and I wanted to fuck him or whatever. That's so not the case. That happened. that happened long after he was making the moves on me. I promise. I'm sitting the record straight.

Yeah, he was, it would be like little by little after the runway, we'd like go and sit down, wait for the cameras to roll. And he would just like sit next to me. And I'd be like, oh my God, he's so fine. He's so fine. It was like, actually from the first moment he got out of drag in the workroom, he like was bald with his sandals on and like some short shorts. And I was like, who is that bald man over there by the punchbowl?

That is so fierce. I'm dying. He was bald and sandals. He was bald and sensual. I don't know. But no, he definitely would put his arm around me and kind of scoching close. He was the first one to make the moves. I'm not, I didn't want nothing to do with him at the beginning.

Really? Because he looks like a heartbreaker, you know? He's a player. And you're like in a competition. It's like this cutie. Oh my God. And then you know they're going to make his lip sync if like we do get close enough. And then you did.

And then you made out. We did. That wasn't your first kiss, wasn't it was? Really? Yeah. Well, yeah, because we can't like, they did. They don't let us do anything with each other. Like, we were at the hot tub together, and the PAG are like...

There's a hot tub? Yeah, well, like, you can go... It's like a... Yes, you can go sometimes with a hot tub, but you're under supervision, and it's very, like... And I couldn't even, like, put my hand on his thigh without getting, like, tasered. Like, a red dot, like, appeared on my forehead. But, yeah, that was our first kiss. And we just looked at each other, and I said, let's just do it.

Lydia! I... I, okay. I love love. Me too. I think love is so, like, romantic. and cute and I just, I love that you had your first kiss and you said, let's just do it. You got a man, right?

I do. How long you've been together? It will be, oh, it was two years. It was two years a couple months ago. Oh, love. Because you started this show to find a man, right? Yes. And now you got one.

And now I got one. And I got to say, this show had nothing to do with it. Does he watch the show? No. No. So some people think it's weird, but he doesn't really consume my content. No, that's fine. That's healthy.

I think so, too. Because he explained it. He was like, I understand that it's like you, but it's an amplified version of you. It's drag. Yeah. And he's like, I get you at home. So why would I sit at home? No, Corey is so that way.

Corey hates my drag. Corey hates what I do. Does not enjoy my drag. Does not enjoy the numbers that I do, but he does love me. You know? Yes. And that's what matters. That's what count.

Exactly. He did see me do stand-up once. I was like, do you want to, like, come to a show? And he was like, you want me to leave the house to watch you do 15 minutes and stuff that we sat on the couch? And you went, is this funny? Is this funny? And I was like, you know what? Fair.

That's so, yeah. Then he saw me do an hour. I did two hours back to back. And he was like, it's kind of crazy. Like, I watched it. And I know I've said this before on the podcast, but whatever. He was like, I watched it. And I was like, huh, I know I heard all those jokes.

but you like did it again and it sounded like the first time and I was like and there's the magic my friend and that's talent baby that's the magic and that's how I cashed the checks that's why you get paid

the big bucks babes so wait you guys have been together for how long it's going on I was 22 when I filmed drag race I'm 25 now so it's like three years

yeah that's a solid amount of time it's a good amount of time and what's the thing that like oh wait what was your first date you were gone for a while because it's like the season end of you were home

for two weeks. Do you guys connect over those two weeks? No, I fully ghosted his ass. I was like, well, because I thought he was a player. He said, let's do this. Goodbye! I thought it was just for TV for him and it's, I mean, certainly was not. I had all the season 17 girls messaging me afterwards being like

you should answer Corey. He's not, he's talking about you constantly. And I don't know, I guess that kitty cat's too good. But no, I went to film All-Stars and I just was like, just another day. I was like, I'm going to a gig. and I just completely ghosted him. Lydia.

I know. And when I got back, he was still feigning for it. So I was like, okay, maybe I'll, like, maybe I'll try. But no, it was, I was just scared, you know. I didn't want to get my heartbroken. I just gotten out of a relationship. So I was not feeling it, you know. Okay.

What was your first date? Our first date was, do you, have you been to Boston? Yes. I don't know why I was like, you know, I've been to Boston. I'm sure you've been in Boston. The Wilbur theater is one of my favorite events. Oh, yes. Well, I've been to Boston.

It was not the Wilburth Theater. It wasn't? No, there's this place called Venetian Moon in Boston. And they do fabulous drag shows there. Candice persuasion, Camille, Yen, she makes all the paths for the girls. He took me there because it's an Italian restaurant and I'm Italian. And he got us a nice spaghetti dinner. And we watched a drag show because that's what I love doing.

So that was our first date. That's sweet. Yeah. And then he filled me up, honey. With marinara or come? With his golf ball. Yay! And then the rest was, as they say,

Cé la Vie. Yeah. What is Cé la Vee? That's life? In what language. Is that what that is? Yeah, I think it's French. In French.

Oh. Yeah. I know that because of the honor. Chabella. What does that mean? That's Italian. I think bye, bitch. Chabella.

I think you're right. I think that's like goodbye. Or bye lady. Bye lady. Yeah. Oh, sure. Well, I'm like a fake Italian. I'm like from the white part of Italian.

I see. You're like an American Italian where you're like. I'm a d'allion. Yeah. What's one of the worst dates you've been on? It might have been with Corey. Wait! I think it was with Corey, actually.

What happened on this date? Well, it was, honestly, it was great. It was lovely. No, I can't. No, this is no. Okay, no, I'll do it. Okay, no. You don't have to.

Well, no. It was fine. Okay, then what's the best date you've been on? With Corey. It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. It's tumultuous. No, it was with Corey.

It was, we did just go to this place called Putschak, and it's like a mini golf bar situation. Oh, okay. That was a lot of fun. But, like, our dates are more just, like, sitting on the couch watching dance moms or something like that. And I feel like that's the best bonding time you can have. You know?

I think so. I think so, too. Sometimes me and the nice man in my life will, like, go out to dinner or whatever. Like, I'll see a movie. It's, like, very chill. Like, after we settled into being with one another, it was like, oh, yeah, we don't have to, like, make it a thing. Right now we're watching Buffy.

Oh, really? Yeah, he's never seen it, and I've seen all of it. It's so good. And it's so much fun to, like, go through. We're on season three, and he's like, we're almost done. I was like, we're not. No, not at all. Angel, and that's five season.

Exactly. Have you got to the Dead Mom episode yet? No, not yet. Okay. That's season, I don't know. I don't know. It's further. That's my favorite one.

It's so raw. Wow, so you like a good time. I do. That's my favorite. I love Sarah. I love when her mom dies. It's great. Are you guys open or closed? Absolutely not open.

What happened to just finding someone you love and that's the excitement, you know? I love it an old-fashioned girl. I know. And I'm not judging anyone who is open. I think that I don't know. I don't think I've ever met someone in an open relationship where it actually is like both parties are satisfied. I do. Are you? No. Okay.

No, no. I, it's my opinion. people in open relationships will probably disagree with me but I do feel like the people I know who have opened their relationship it's the beginning of the end because it's like something's not working so I need to seek it out

but I feel like if you start Polly you'll probably end Polly and or even close it off later I'm fully no judgment for anything that works for anyone else but it's not my personal case yeah it's not for me

I don't think it's not going to work out for me yeah because every day with Corey is a new chapter of excitement. It's a new like, I don't know, I just, I'm a lover boy. I really love, I'm a lover girl. Sorry. I love that you're misgendering yourself I know. I'm like, can you see my bra off of this dress? I think so.

But yeah, no, I just love love and I want to be in love with Corey. That is really sweet. What you said a minute ago where you were like, every day's a new day with Corey. Yeah. And I really, really love that. Because that's what love is. It's an adventure. It's like, what are we going to do today? Like what surprises are going to happen? Oh, exactly. And he is literally a new person every day. So I'm like, okay, who's going to be today? What are we clocking into? So we kind of are open, I guess, because it's always a new face. When drag race aired, were people like slip it into

your DMs being like, here's my whole? Um, I mean, like, I feel like there was like a Reddit thread being like, oh, Lydia's really cute out of drag. But like besides that, it was kind of like, it was a lot of sapphic energy coming my way. Being like, oh, when Lydia's on screen, look at her baby blue eyes. And I was like, oh, yes. Like, I'm sure there were people that I haven't seen that were trying it, but I wasn't looking because... Because you already committed.

I was with Corey, and also, I was also... I mean, I wasn't even interested in Corey at that time, you know? But, yeah, it was mostly just like a lot of women being like, he's so cute. Look at that. Which I love. I like that energy more than, like... I like that's the energy you put out and that's the energy you got back. Yeah.

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purchase of a website or domain. So you auditioned for drag race one times. I did. Well, actually, I auditioned once when I was 18 or 19 and that was like, they're not going to let you want, you know? I was terrible. I was underage. It was like, you have to be like Crystal Versacee levels of Puss if you

want to get on when you're not 21, right? So I did an audition tape when I was in college still, and I didn't really take it seriously. But then for season 17, I did decide to clock in. And there was like a moment where I was editing it. And I was like, oh, fuck, I think I just made it on Drag Race. I was like, no. But yeah, it was the one time. That's fun.

Yeah. That's fun to make something and be like, I think I got this. No, for real. It was like a clip of it. And I was like, I think this is the one. I had one audition. It was like one of my first auditions. And I finished it.

And I was like, if I don't book this, they just will. and older. Like, if I see it on TV and it's an old bitch, that's why she got it. Uh-huh. But then I booked it. What was it? Which one was it? It's funny.

It was nailed it. No, it was 30 Rock. Oh, really? I'm in one episode of 30 Rock. I'm in the tag. So I'm at the end of the episode while the credits are rolling. And I play a Monique look-alike where Liz Lemon is at the Apollo. Oh, my God.

And I like fucking, because I, at the time, did a Monique impression. Yeah. So I just did that in the audition. I remember telling my grandma about it, and then my sister showed it to her, and she, next time I saw her, or maybe we're on the phone, but she was like, I saw what you did. Is that what you were so excited for? And I was like, humbled. My God. It really did your family. Humbolded. It's your own people that really like.

It really is. But you need that kind of thing. Like, I feel like you have to have people who will be honest around you to be able to, you know, accelerate your art. I agree. Yeah. But honestly, the world humbles me too. I went and did Seth Myers and I think Kevin Hart or somebody, somebody very famous was there. before me as like the lead guest.

So yes, certainly not Kevin Hart. Yeah. You said it. Hire me, Kevin. But I was walking in and there was a bunch of paparazzi because I guess the musical guest was coming out. I don't know. There was paparazzi out there when I arrived.

Yeah. And I saw one shutter, like one little flicker. And then I heard a little voice go, Mama, who is that? And then the woman goes, that's somebody. And I was like, oh my God. The world humbles me. I mean, it's better than saying that's nobody. You know what?

Thank you. Exactly. I am somebody. That is somebody. That's just somebody. Maybe she's here to clean. Who knows? Wait, Lydia.

When you have a call to be on drag race, what was that like? Was it like, yay! Or, oh shit, I got to get all my stuff together. Oh, my God, no. It was, I mean, not, I was confident in getting the stuff ready, but it was kind of a mix of like, I was, okay, I was with my friend, my ex-girlfriend actually from high school. Hi, Idi. Oh, you had an ex-girlfriend.

I did. I dabble in the straight straight. You dabbled in the puss. I dabble in the puss and the kitty cat. I thought you could barely say it. I dabble did straight. I was like, I'm not sure I'm playing. I did it a little bit.

But no, I was playing Mario Kart with my ex-girlfriend. We're like best friends. And we were really high. We were super high. And I got the call and I didn't believe it at first. I ran to the bathroom. It was like a call from San Diego and I was like, hey girl, what's up? And they were like, congrats, you made it.

I immediately left. She thought someone had died because I like started tearing up. I was like, something bad. Something really bad. Have I did something bad? And my first thought was, fuck, I have to stop smoking weed now. Oh. Because I need to like lock in because I feel like, you know what I mean?

Yes. And I did. How long did you stop smoking weed for? You know, a little bit. For the two weeks. Took you to get ready. I'm currently not, but like, no, that was my main thought. Right?

I'm pretty sure Jasmine Masters came on this podcast and was high as a kite. I'm sure of it. I love her. It's a cocoon. She's one of my favorite people. I love her. I do too. Do you know that quote she's on a dragger?

She said, a little ass, little bit tish, little cuckoo. What does that mean? Who knows? I don't know. So you started dating girls. Yeah. And then when did you switch over? When were you like, not for me?

Um, I don't know. I think, I mean, girls, I will always have, like, a place in my heart for girls, like, love-wise. I think it's easier to love a girl than a guy because they're just, I mean, just better, you know? I think so. You know? I think so. But it was more, I was just kind of like, oh, yeah, maybe I don't really want to be with a girl. And that ended, I mean, even, it was throughout college that I was, like, experimenting.

But I was like, this is not for me. I'm so sorry. I love, I love you. This is not, this is not my teeth. This is just not it. I'm not feeling it. No, because I think I myself, I'm a girl. So I need that man, you know.

I get that. Yeah. And then how long, what's your, like, longest relationship? My mother. Yeah. We've been mother and son for a very long time. How long? Like 25 years.

25 years, yeah. That sounds about wrong. Going on 26, yeah. No, it was like four years. And it was lovely. We're still good friends. She's actually my drag sister now. Really?

Yes, she is. We were dating for like four years, and then it just, it was just, it was just time to wrap it up. Four years is a long time. Yeah. Who broke up with who? I had to break it off. And what did you say? What do you say when you break up with somebody?

I've never broken up with anybody. Oh, really? No. Really? I've always been broken up with. Oh, that sucks. I know. You should be able to shoot one person a day.

That's crazy. Lydia, thank you. Thank you. No, honestly, it was kind of like a situation like this. Like, I was sitting on the couch, and he was over there. she was over there and I was like so

this isn't gonna work out anymore we can't do this anymore I have to go film drag Is that really when you broke up? No no no it was before that I have to go become famous Goodbye No it was well before that

But no I love her now We're so chill And we have I was literally calling her today Getting ready for this So all is well I like to be an adult And make amends I guess I mean I think

that's good. I'm not on bad terms with anybody I dated. Are you not? No, I'm not on bad terms. Really? Oh, boots, yeah. Not Ms. Zelda. Her name isada. I love her. But everyone else, yeah. Your penis look. How did you come up with that?

I think you're like, your penis, look. Your penis look. It's out. No, no, oh my God. I don't know. So it was this fashion illustration that I saw somewhere. I don't know. I didn't necessarily. clearly come up with a look, but it's not like a new thing. Sure.

It's been around for a while, right? Penises, yes. Yeah. But I wanted to do, I just don't know. When I heard pink, I was like, there's no other opportunity but to do this right now. I love that. Thank you. I know that you were like, oh, it's like, you know, I've seen it, whatever.

Yeah. But that's what we're all doing. My mother used to say she's like, everything's been done. What's your spin on it? Exactly. It's how you turn. Everything is the same on different levels. And you've got to just like take it and make.

what Corey always says too. I'm very inspired by Corey's work ethic. Oh. No. No, it's like everything that has been done. Like, like, find what you like about an artist or a performer or someone. Um, and literally copy it. Like, no lie. They just like take it and rip it, you know? Yeah. I talked about this with Bosco. I, like, for people who are starting out and you don't have an aesthetic and you don't know what you want. Or like if you're decorating your fucking house, go on Pinterest. Oh, Yeah. Like, go look at what other people have done and you're, you know, make a little bored and be like, that's what I like. Oh, exactly.

That's what I want to do. And then go on the hunt for shit like that. Mm-hmm. Go to a thrift store, find, like, repurpose stuff. Like, have a nice time. Completely. Because nothing is unique anymore. Like, there's no, you can't, there's no, nothing, no such thing as an original.

Nothing's original, honey. But you can be an original. If you copy something is, I don't know. If you copy, you can be original. Exactly. So you have. what, two weeks in between 17

and All-Stars? Yes. It was just two weeks. No, I was home for two weeks, but I did have a week to prepare for the thing. I mean, they knew who they were calling, you know? But it wasn't like, I do procrastinate, so it was technically five days that I had in between.

Girl. But I feel like it was, the bracket system made it so easy. It was just three episodes. Yeah. It was show. I used, like, a lot of my leftover season 17 runways. Well, just the one But it was

I used all my leftovers One No, I wanted to give us something new So like I rushed to Joanne's And it was still open Rest in peace Rest in peace Oh my God

I know It's sad It's really sad I don't like how everything's closing And then like Private Equities buying things I know Do you like shopping anymore

I literally Is one of my favorite things In the world I fucking love shopping It's one of my favorite things Uh huh But every time I go in person To like

A store in the mall I never find anything. No. But I'll find stuff in thrift stores and stuff. Yeah, those stores is fun. It's all like fast fashion, which is fine.

It's chill. I like it's, if, you know, it's affordable, it's fun. It is what it is. I don't know. The czar of it all I can't take. Me either.

I see that wearing this dress from like wherever. I mean, I have no idea. It's from Poshmark. So it was in somebody's closet before they were like, this is ugly. And I said,

yum. I think it's kind. But that's the thing. You can't, you can't fight it at this point. You can. But, Like, it's not that you don't have to like it, you know.

Yeah, I don't even know how you fight it. I guess I'm fighting it by only buying secondhand stuff. Exactly. Thank you. Well, I said to my friend, I was like, anything I want has already been made. Yeah. What do you sew? A little.

Really? Yes. What do you make? So, do you know Godoy? I do. Goddoy taught me how to sew. We made a pattern for pants and then he left me on my own to make a pattern for a shirt. Oh, God.

And then I hem a lot of stuff. Okay, puss. And then I'll take the waist in on some stuff. because I got a fat ass and a decent size waist. Hell yeah. Let's be real. It's not tiny. There's something tiny on me.

No, but like it's the shape. When you want to like, I love making clothes fit to your body. I'm very, Corey just made me these pads. I'm wearing pads, I know. But I love, I love just wearing like a nice body hugging dress. Were you not wearing pads? Were you anti-pad? No, not at all.

I was wearing much smaller pads. I love a pad. I think padding's great. I used to not pat at all, but I, after being with Corey, I'm like, I can't, I can't sit next to this. I mean, Corey's body is insane. And it's natural. All natural, no padding. It's just like cinched.

It's just like a perfect hourglass. I know. I got a fat ass man. An ass girl. Sorry, I was weird. You could be an assman. No, no. An ass man, an ass girl.

I'm a girl. I'm a girl. I'm a girl. I love an ass man. What do you guys do on tour? What is the show? Okay, so the show, it's kind of like a variety show. Like, you know, like, Rowan and Martin's Laughan.

Yes. It's kind of like that, but gay and stupid and it's for the lesbians. It's completely built for our lesbian fans, for our female, like women fans in general. Because I don't like guys. I don't like gay people. They're welcome at the show, too. I don't like gay people. I don't.

I really don't. I hate what I am, you know? It sucks. But this show's a lot of fun. It's sort of like the deepest, darkest folds of our brains that we just like splatter onto everyone. It's inexplicable. I can't really describe it. I'll get you to take it.

You can come see it if you'd like. Are you doing it in L.A.? I don't know. I love it. Don't know. Don't know your tour dates. I never know anything. It's one day at a time, you know.

Yeah, I simply don't know. Like, people would be like, what about this? And I'm like, I don't know. I got to read an email. I don't know. reading emails, you do that? Sometimes. I know.

It's, Lydia, it's so hard. I know. So, like, open up the computer. I know. Because if I do it on my phone, I'll just, like, really just, like, scroll through it and then be like, I don't know. I don't think I actually saw it or took it in.

I know, and there's so many messages. We're just so popular. Everyone wants to get to us. It's so famous. Oh, my God. Bookkezy and Blast. You'll be in L.A. October 26.

Yeah, October 26. We'll be in L.A. No pressure. No pressure. No pressure. But it is a lot of fun. There's a lot of fun. It's a Halloween theme show.

We're trying to monopolize Halloween right now. Yeah, as you should. It would be October. Yeah, exactly. Who did you hate from your season? Sam Star. No, I'm kidding. No, actually, we had this, like, this, like, fight at the beginning, like a tussle or whatever, but I never really hated her.

I just was anxious and insecure. I don't hate any of the girls. I love them all. I feel really lucky because there's a lot of seasons where the girls are, like, at each other's throats, fighting each other. And we don't have that. So I feel lucky. All right. I was trying to get something juicy, some click.

Oh, okay. I'm absolutely kidding. I hate Susie Toot. That she actually, she stole my wig glue before coming here. We had a gig in Seattle and she took my wig glue. And so I had to super glue my wig down and that's why it looks crazy a little bit. Susa Toot. I know.

Someone on your season called her Susie Toots and she went, that's how my name. That was so me. Yeah, yeah, because I was like. That's so funny. And that was like right before I got eliminated. So we were there for a month and a half. And I was like, Susie Toots. And then the funny part.

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So your name is from Beetlejuice. Lydia Dietz? Yep. I've never seen Beetlejuice. You haven't? No. All right. It's been so fun.

I'll see you later. Goodbye. Goodbye. No, please stay. No, I've never seen it. Oh, it's so good. I wouldn't say my favorite movie, but it's one of my favorite movies for sure. But Butthole, that... Yeah, where do that come from? Well, I mean, hey, it was...

Actually, it wasn't going to be my name when I first got to Drag Race, but Rupal did give it to me. She, like, bestowed that upon me. Because it was Lydia B. Collins. It was. And I think I mentioned, like, flippantly in my audition tape, like, oh, my middle name is butthole. Like, that was a complete joke, you know? It stood for nothing. It was just there just because. And it was the first day before we went on the runway.

And I heard, well, welcome to the stage, Lydia Budhoe Collins. And I was like, oh, great, I guess we're going with that now. That's my name, I guess. And honestly, that's what kept me there. Like, it was that name in Corey. I was like, okay. That's very deeply funny. I had to run with it.

Rupal is so funny. She's unwell. Like, much funnier than what they edit her down to. Right? Because you've been a judge. Yes. And how was that? It was so much.

fun. It's really incredible when she like appears on stage. You're just like, my breath was taken away. She looks so beautiful. Incredible. Even her legs are so fucking long. Oh my God. Oh my God. During the finale it was like, because RuPaul

doesn't do live shows anymore, right? There's no nothing that is like you will never see RuPaul live in action. But we were filming the finale for 17 and it was like all the 17 girls and a bunch of like paid extras. I don't know. We didn't, we weren't allowed to invite our family for whatever reason. So I guess these Randos from L.A. had to come in. But it was so interesting because we got to see

RuPaul on stage the entire time. And she was hosting the show. It was like a full-on RuPaul Drag Show. And it just was a testament to how phenomenal she is as an artist and as a character. That was probably my favorite moment of drag race was getting to see her actually host a show. It was so cool.

It is wild to watch somebody in their element who's like really good at what they do. Yeah. I think it's season seven RuPaul says bring back my girls in a different way like almost every time

Oh yeah Bring back my group Yes And we should bring back my GOO I've like taken that in my heart And that's how I host That's very you

Just a little goofy Yeah Having a nice time Uh huh Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Okay I really make myself laugh All the time

I'm always having a nice time Oh good What's one of your favorite things about drag? Like, what is the thing that you're like, oh, this is why I do it? Oh, God. I mean, there is so many things. Like, I mean, I do like to, like, catch a glimpse of myself in the reflection or something. Not too close up.

But it's, I like the look of it, the feel of it. But I think, and this is so corny. This is so corny and cheesy and stupid. But it really is, like, the meet and greets and seeing people come up to you. And even before a drag race, just to see the reaction of how it made people feel. I know that's so cheesy, but it's true. you know It's fine to be cheesy

I people are like Don't be cringe I'm like I don't know I think being sincere is nice Yeah exactly To be cringe is to be what Nice Free? No okay No but I feel like it's the same as comedy too

It's like when you see people laughing in the crowd Or you see the joy that You see like I'm like specifically when a mother And a daughter or like a parent and a child Come to the show just the excitement on their faces. It really tugged in my heartstrings, and that's my favorite part,

is seeing people adore and love me and give me money. Yes, give me money. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, it is my favorite thing with comedy, like when people laugh, or, like, if someone gets, like, a case of the giggles from something I said, and they can't stop giggling,

because then that makes me a giggle, and then we have a giggle off. It's one of my favorite things that happens during a show. Oh, for sure. Or honestly, just making someone laugh at a restaurant, really makes me so happy. Oh, I know you would kill as a server. I was a server.

I was too. And I made good money because I was bad but funny. Where'd you work at? I worked at this place called Pernima, which is on season two, episode two of Kitchen Nightmares. Really? I'm not on it. My old roommate is.

But it was one third Irish bar, one third cabaret room where there was drag shows, and then one third Indian restaurant. Oh, that's truly. a one-stop shop for everything. I do not play about my Indian food. It was good Indian food. It was very, very good.

Oh, that's so fierce. No, I served at a member's only club, and it was rough. What is a... So, that's like a country club? Kind of, it's like a country... It was in the city. It's called the Duquesne Club, and it's... It's just...

Alec Baldwin's a member there. And Bill Nye. I don't know. It was super weird, but... So you can learn or get shot. You should cut that. Are you sure that was good? Yeah, keep it in.

Yeah. I think it happened again. No, anyways, no, but yeah. It was very interesting, but I did learn a lot of, like, my, what's the word, social skills there? Because you learn a lot as a server. You learn how to, like, talk to someone, and I'm still getting there. But it's just talking to, like, the worst rich people in Pittsburgh. Sometimes rich people, it's like, how did you get like this?

Yeah. Hell on earth. Yeah. My God. What's his name? Elliot Musk. I, like, saw a video that he was in, the Tesla man. and he was talking and I was like, what's wrong with you?

Oh, he's dumb, like just stupid. Like, yes. And I'm like, and you have all of the money? I know. And he has a baby with Grimes? Wild. What do you mean? Wild.

He's got so many babies. I don't care. For what? Is he building a basketball team or a football team? I don't know. He needs to build a coffin and go lying it, girl. I agree. He's too much.

He's too much for me. Lock him up. Yeah. Start that. Lock him up. I mean, honestly. Wait. When did Corey start doing?

She was doing, what was her first cameo? It was like her version of Susie Toot. It was Susie Toe. Oh, I was there that first day we did it. What was it? It was Susie 2, but she goes by the name of Corey Toot, I suppose. And it wasn't going to be a thing. She was just like, I'm going to make fun of Susie today.

I'm going to put on Corey Toe. And so I was like, okay, great. I'm going to make fun of Susie today. No, yeah. And I was like, great, I'll do cameos too. And I'm going to do Mistress and I did Mistress's first. And so we were there doing cameos side by side that first day. And she really did bank off of that.

I was like, I can't. I can't continue this But I commend her for that Because it's it's become like a third Like an omnip like it's like a It's like a presence Yes Just around

Yeah and when she's as court Like when she's doing a Corey 2 day at home I just like have to order food And watch Love Island and show on the couch Because she's gonna be upstairs like Oh ho! Oh ho! Oh you're that bitch! You know But I do love

Mickey Mouse upstairs Oh so much so much And I can't even be like Oh that's my man because no that's Susie That's Susie. Have you met Susie? No, not yet, and I love Susie, too. She is wonderful.

She's so wonderful. Well, maybe if she comes to L.A., she'll do the podcast. Did you say no? I don't know. We haven't asked her yet. Okay, great. You asked Susie Toot. Yeah, thank you.

And then I'll have the whole butt toot king. You will. And you can tell us who your favorite is, and you hate the most. No. I don't know. I don't think I can hate either of you guys. Yeah. Either three of you, you know.

The way I phrased that was wild. I don't think I can hate any of y'all. Sure. Hey, Lydia. Yeah. Do you have advice for single people? No. Stay single, losers.

That's about it. No, I'm kidding. I think, honestly, being single is a privilege. It's something that you can, you, like, being in a relationship, as you know, is so wonderful. But it is full of anxiety. It's scary, you know, because you never know what you do. Like, your heart is on the line, you know. So I would say.

just enjoy being single while you can because soon you will find the love of your life who will completely ruin it for you in the best way possible. Do you mean how to find love? I just meant in general. Oh, sure. How do you find love?

Go on RuPaul's Drag Race. Go on RuPaul's Drag Race, yeah. No, because that's the thing. I watch Love Island and I'm like, oh, I can't believe these people are going on a TV show to find love. How embarrassing. And then Katzoo, I'm like, wait, hold on.

I don't watch Love Island, but everyone keeps asking me about it. Do you watch Love Island? No, I don't. It's so good. It's on every day? It's amazing. And it's happened in real time, like right now. Like Big Brother.

Yes. Do you watch that too? I watched the season with Pete Burns, like the UK one, a while ago, but that was it. And Love Island is just hot people in bikinis. Sure. So vapid. Crazy vapid. But I mean, that's what I want.

And I don't know. It's like they are putting themselves out there and they're taking a leap of faith. And that's what you have to do with love. I don't think Tinder's the way. I don't think Bumble. I don't think Grindr, you're not going to find love on those places. and if you do, congratulations, but I think the best way

is just like taking a chance with somebody to meet, you know? I think you're right. Yeah. I mean, I did find the nice man from Hinge. No, I love Hinge. Sorry. I'm totally kidding.

No, it's fine, but like, it's nice to meet people in person. No, I know I did not know this, and I'm so sorry. You don't have to be sorry. I truly take no offense. Okay, good. I wanted to meet someone in person.

It just wasn't happening. I feel like Hinge is like you have a higher success rate with that than you do with Tinder. Yes. Everyone I dated, like, for more than a month was from Hinge. And then I just had fuck on Tinder and I date somebody for like two weeks on Tinder. Yeah. Tinder is Grindr for the Strait.

Oh, it is so slutty. It's so horny. But now they got another one called Field. Field? Mm-hmm. It's a kink app. Uh-uh. And... I mean, kind of. Well, they wouldn't let me on.

People kept reporting my profile as impersonation. Really? No. when I was, like, trying to be on it. Oh, my God. And I was like, but it's me. And I've said this before. I would impersonate somebody better. No, but that's so cool, though, that you have reached a level of stardom where you can't even, like, go on a dating app without.

I can't even fuck. No, you can't even fuck. That's so annoying. It was depressing. But now, I don't need it. Yeah, exactly. So you did, was that, your season, All Stars was the first bracket season? Yeah, we were the guinea pigs.

How did you like it? Oh, I did like it. I kind of, I wished it was like I wanted to eliminate the girls. I want to eliminate each other. That's my favorite bracket, right? Or then my favorite format. I like when people are eliminated. Mm-hmm.

Me too. Because then there's like a little bit of, like, more stakes to me, I feel like. Yeah. But no, I mean, whenever they called me or whenever RuPaul called me for the second time, she was like, hey kitty girl, you want to come back? And I was like, okay, well, are you, is it going to be eliminations? Because if it is, I was like, I don't think I would want to go back and, like, risk it all for, like, like, the embarrassment, right?

Yeah. to go back so early and they were like, ugh. So when I learned that it was non-eliminations, that's when I was like, okay, perfect. So I was a fan of the bracket system because it was in my favor. I think a lot of girls are in favor of the bracket system because you only have to prep for three episodes.

I mean, if you're a dumb ass, sure. I feel like you should prepare for all of it because if you film at different times, right? So like if you don't prepare all of it at once, why would they want, you know, why would. Do you think you'd go back again? Ooh. It would have to be for a lot of money.

$200,000, exactly. I feel like there would have to be something in my favor if I wanted to go back. Or it would have to be after a few more years. I don't know how many more years they're planning on doing this format or All-Stars. But I would never say no. Yeah. It's a gig, you know? It's exposure.

It's fun. It gives the fans something to watch. And it's just a good time. I would never say no. What do you want to do in the future? Like, what does the future hold for Lydia Buhl Collins? I want to do porn. Yes.

No, I do want to do film and TV somehow. I need to be, like, the final girl in a horror movie at some point. Oh. Because I love horror. It's the best, it's my favorite genre. What's your favorite horror movie? Hmm. Mm.

I think the Evil Dead trilogy, the original trilogy, is probably top tier. Never seen it. Oh no! Okay, not Beatle Juice, not this. Okay, well, I think it's great. It's like the original Cabin in the Woods plot. Okay. But it was made by the director of like the Toby McGuire Spider-Man movies.

Sam Ramey? Sam Ramey, yes. So it's weird that he can do... He has... He's like a through line with camp with all of these things. But Evil Dead is so drag. It's so... It was on like the video Nasty List when it came on the 80s.

Looking back, it's not that bad. But it's the best horror movie of all time. Okay. Yeah. I'll watch that. Have you seen Send Help? No. With Rachel McAdams?

It's really fun. That's Sam Ramey, too. It totally is. It's so fun. I want to see it so bad. I loved it. There is a plane crash in it, which I'm not. There is.

But they're on a private plane. Oh, yeah. Private planes and helicopters, I think, are more dangerous than a commercial flight. I would say so, for sure, for sure. No, that movie looks amazing. It looks so good. I love that you want to do horror. I do.

I really do. Because I feel like the world is so horrifying, right? Yes. And you can't necessarily. like have a romantic comedy or like an action movie be a metaphor for what's happening in the real world.

Horror is so, you can funnel every issue, every atrocity in the world into a horror movie. And that's why I resonate with it so much. It's because it's, it's so queer. It's so queer.

So queer. So queer. Did you see back rooms? I did. I did. I did. I appreciate it now. When I first saw it,

I saw it right after obsession. So I was like expecting it to be like, and I love his work on YouTube. And I'm a massive backrooms fan of general. So I was expecting it to be a little more expanded upon. I feel like it just got started when it ended. Yes. But I think that it was wonderful.

And the director is 20, 20 years old? Something like that. Really fucking young. Fab. It was great. I thought for what I appreciate it now. But obsession, I think, was just, phew. I haven't seen obsession yet.

Oh, it's. Because my friends all saw it. And then I think I was like out of town. And now I'm like, no one wants to see it again. But I saw backrooms. I was so impressed with the scenes. Like the scene design? Oh, completely.

It was so wild. It was so extensive. And then I love that the monster, this isn't ruining it, is practical. It's like a puppet. It's that creepy guy. That, I loved that. It was just so well done. It was great.

He was the guy in Alien Romulus. Did you see that? Spooky. Did not. Oh, it was spooky. Oh, I can't remember that actor's name, but he's really incredible. It's not Javier Bout's head. It's the other guy.

Chewitil a geopore? Yes. Sure. And that, I wish I could confidently say his name the way I can say like any other name. Do you know what I mean? I do. She would tell. She would tell.

She would tell. I think, oh, I think I did it. Sure, there you go. I hope I did it, right. If that's not how you say it, send me a personalized message. Well, Lydia, we have come to the end. Okay. We've come.

Now I've come. Do you have anything you want to promote? Well, I do have a book. You can buy my book. It's called Lydia, Lydia, Lydia. It's online. It's on Amazon. But it is online. It's okay.

You can buy it. But besides that, I'm going to be in the next A24 movie. Yes, Manifest. No, actually, they just signed with something like an AI company. So I'm like, I don't know. I mean, it is incredibly wild. Whatever. Yeah, whatever.

Hey, that's a whole other thing. Although, wouldn't Madonna just say? She was like, AI is the antithesis of, like, creativity. Yeah. And I was like, it really is. It's the thief of joy. It is. It's just like a regurgitation of, like, stuff that's already been made.

Mm-hmm. But, like, you can just do that. Yeah. We're all a regurgitation of stuff that's just been made. I know. Wow. And it's really come full circle. It really has been.

It really is. Yeah. Well, you could go to butttoot king.com and buy a ticket to butttoot king. Yes, baby. It's all of October, over 20s. cities, let's do it. Can I ask why not King Toot Butt? I don't know. It was actually the fans.

They gave us that name. They were like, they kind of made But King a thing and then whenever they saw that we liked Susie Too, they just put her in the middle. When they saw we liked Susie Too. She's always wedging her way in there, huh? That's so funny. Well, Lydia, thank you so much for being here. Thank you. I'll ask you one

one last question. Yes. Would you date me? Yeah. Yeah. I dab one in the puss. no sorry no I just really like the way you phrased it I've dabbled in the pub

it makes it sound like you're splashing at a kitty poo I know I'm like I've dabbled it in and that's what I was doing I was tough but no I think your man is a very lucky man he's got a good one and if he doesn't stick with you

I'm gonna have your it's on site bitch yeah it's on site I'll be like what does that mean anyway if you like this episode of Why won't you date me? You can like it.

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