Why Won't You Date Me? with Nicole Byer - There's a Yelp for BJs (w/ Drew Droege)

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

Comedian Drew Droege (Search Party, Bob's Burgers) joins Nicole for a chat about why you should never blow out your own candle in a relationship, the creepy phenomenon of couples who look like twins, and how pop culture's been romanticized abusive relationships. Drew introduces Nicole to a new hookup app that is basically Yelp for blowjobs, and reads some of the incredible BJ reviews that are written like romance novels. Plus, they break down the new Alexander Skarsgård dom/sub rom-com movie, Pillion.Los Angeles! See Drew Droege's show, Theatre Idiot at Dynasty Typewriter on April 1st. Get tickets at dynastytypewriter.com/calendar-squad-up?event-id=131942Take our listener survey and shape the future of the podcast!Watch this episode on our YouTube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@WhyWontYouDateMePodcastSupport this podcast and get discounts by checking out our sponsors:» Jones Road Beauty: Use code DATEME at jonesroadbeauty.com to get a Free Shimmer Face Oil with your first purchase! #JonesRoadBeauty #ad » Equip: Learn more about Equip’s virtual eating disorder treatment at equip.health/dateme» Planned Parenthood: Donate to support Planned Parenthood now at plannedparenthood.org/defend.» NOCD: If you're struggling with OCD or unrelenting intrusive thoughts, NOCD can help. Book a free 15 minute call to get started: learn.nocd.com/DATEME» Cash App: Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/3v6r90n6 #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement. Discounts and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures.Follow:All Links: linktr.ee/whywontyoudatemeTour Dates: linktr.ee/nicolebyerwastakenYouTube: @WhyWontYouDateMePodcastTikTok: @whywontyoudatemepod Instagram: @nicolebyerX: @nicolebyerThis is a Headgum podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok. Advertise on Why Won't You Date Me? via Gumball.fm.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's like yelp for dicks. So these are reviews that one guy wrote, I can still feel this sexy MF's dick in my throat. Emoji of crying, crying emoji. First, he's handsome AF with a beautiful hairy body, delicious, thick, fat dick, soft lips and endless throat. On top of that, he ate my ass like few have ever done before.

Ten out of ten, all bobs, no skips. Fire! All bobs, no skips! Right? That is, I, people are so creative. I... Oh, and then this one, tall guy, the same guy, different review. Tall guy with a dick to match.

I thought he was done growing and he kept getting bigger. Also happens to be attached to a really handsome guy. A lot of fun with him. I would absolutely go back for more. I'm obsessed. Why won't you date me? A podcast for Meena Kohl-Byer was trying to figure out why I was so single, even though you could come on a spine and tell me that's a book with pages.

Took a real left turn. Come on a spine. Ooh, come on a spine and tell me it's vertebrae. My guest today is a hilarious comedian, actor and playwright. He's worked on shows like, Bob's Burgers, Search Party, and Heather's. He'll be performing a brand new show at Dynasty Typewriter on April 1st. I think he's so funny.

You'll also know him from the Chloe Savigné videos on the internet. It's Drew Drogy! Hi to call. No, Drogy. It's drogy. But it's fine. I don't care. You don't care, but I do.

It's a point of like, not pride. It's just, I always want to say somebody's name correctly. I'm the same way, but I'm, I'm, for me, it really matters about other people, but I really don't care. Okay. I'm so used to it because I'm, but I have friends that get really mad on my behalf. Because I'll have friends that will tell me, like, they'll go up and they'll go, you know, I'm really good friends with Drew Droge. And like, if you're really good friends, you would know it's drogy. But I really don't, I've just, it's a crazy name and like people call me, call me, call me, call me, call me, just call me.

Like RuPaul says, call me he, call me she, just call me. I'm that way about my name. Are you single right now? Very. Yeah. Yes. Very. Very.

Yes. And is this by choice or have you not found any body? Like, tell me about your dating. Yeah. You know, I would say it's, it's, I don't know if it's by choice, but it's great. Okay. I'm also just, I mean, pushing the last year of my 40s, finally getting into my own space of, oh, I think I want to be with somebody.

because I was so aggressively single. Definitely like 30s through my 30s. And then 40s, I was kind of like, well, you know, that could be fun. And then lately I've been like, yeah, I'm trying to do that a little bit more. So I am having fun. Okay. I'm having a good time. Are you on Z apps?

I am on Z apps. I'm on Z hookup apps more than the dating apps. And that is one of my goals is to like, start the dating problem. Like, get on a hinge. Get on a hinge. Get on a hinge. Get off scruff.

Because it's cute. It's fun, but, you know. It's scruff. It's scruff. Wait, what's the one? I'm not on Grindr, but I'm on scruff. I like the other one. The blowers.

Not the blow. Oh, yeah. That's really funny. There's literally they're just, that's one that's new, that it's like just straight up. Oh, Sniffies. Sniffies. Yes. Sniffies is such a funny name.

Sniff them out. Sniffies is. It's a map. It's a map. And it's literally so many bubbles. And it's just literally just like holes and holes all around you. And you're just going on and you're like, oh, I don't know. I don't know. And it feels like, you know, I'm always like, oh my God, oh my God, what is going on in this whole world. It's just so funny to me. And I have like my face on them. I don't care. I'm like, that's how I've changed. I used to be so like, I can't let anyone see me. And now I'm like, literally I'm just like, hey, it's my face. It says Drew. Do you like it? Do you like it or not? Do you want it? Also, let's not play the game of like, you know, it's hard also because I'm not famous, but you understand this.

It's like people that know who we are. And so I don't assume that people know who I am. But when they do and they don't tell me for a long period of time, it does get a little weird. When I'm like, oh, how did you know that? Even if they just like heard me on this and that's it. And so it's that thing where I kind of be like, let's get as honest as possible. so I want to be as honest as possible. Because I used to be like, it's also not the sexiest thing on Scruff.

Be like, hey, yeah, I'm the guy that plays Chloe Seveny online. Anybody? Wait, is that how you say her name? Yeah, seven me. Seveny? Seveny. Not Savigny? Oh, it's seven.

I've always, now. Oh, man, I'm fucking up everybody's last name. I've mispronounced intentional, like so many words as her that I could be very wrong. But I think it's seven, the number seven and me, seven knee. Seven, me. I have a question. I'm still not saying it right. We've never heard of the blowers app on this podcast before.

Could you describe what it is? Okay, so the blowers app is, I will tell you, the blowers. That was so weird that I just went good. Sorry, Mars. My God. Good question. You have an invisible bell in this guy. Ding.

Ding. Goot. Yeah, blower. Okay, the blowers app. The blowers? You literally go on there and you either say if you're a blowie or a blower, and you can have your face pick. You just have your dick pick, your whole pick,

and then just it's just your stats. And then the best thing about it is that people leave reviews. Now, I've yet to see. Now, I'm going to say this now and then I'm going to go on there and get like a skating. They are adorable. They are the porniest, sexiest. Like, I've only seen insanely glowing. I think you can delete bad reviews.

Surely. But I also think you'd have to be a certain type of sociopathic going to be like, I got the worst blow job from this guy. This guy's teeth and, you know, you're going to be like, okay. So they literally write, it's like, penhouse letters could never. You literally read these reviews and they are just literally like walked in the door and this majestic hot load comes up. Like, I mean, just whatever's happening and you're literally. This majestic hot load. And you're literally reading this like, just this like, horny romance.

Oh, sure. I'm going to, let's get on. Let's read one. This is so exciting. Let me just read the first thing. Okay, so people give testimonials. Let me see. I love it.

It's like yelp for dicks. Okay, okay. So these are reviews. The one guy wrote, I can still feel this sexy MF's dick in my throat. emoji of crying, crying emoji. First, he's handsome A. F with a beautiful hairy body, delicious, thick, fat dick, soft lips and endless throat. On top of that, he ate my ass like few have ever done before. Ten out of ten, all bobs, no skips.

Fire! All bobs, no skips, fire! Right? That is, I, people are so creative. Oh, and then this one, tall guy, the same. Same guy, different review. A tall guy with a dick to match. I thought he was done growing and he kept getting bigger.

Also happens to be attached to a really handsome guy. A lot of fun with him. I would absolutely go back for more. I'm obsessed. That's so sweet. It's filthy and very sweet because I've yet to read a review that was like, me, not really for me, which obviously happens. But I think we all know enough to not do that.

And I think it's just, it is literally, I love reading these reviews. and everyone just gets such incredible reviews. I love that so much. Truly in a world of like people being mean, online, just be a blower. Be a blower. You know? Just like radiate positivity. I'd be like, thank you for that.

It was so nice. It was great. And you know what? You're, you know, it's definitely something that I think that we don't think we're enough. Hollywood alone, porn. You look at these bars. And you're like, you're expected to look like that.

You're expected to have sex like that. And it's all fake. None of it's real. Even those people don't look like that and have sex like that. I mean, and so that's another great thing about like when you're, you know, like, this is me. This is who I am. Own yourself. Love it.

And then let somebody write a cute review about you and then return the favor and just live out your fantasy. I love that. It's fun to just write that. It's hot. So can you tell me? Like, what's one of the? the worst dates you've been on?

He basically was like very quickly. We had been on like two or three dates at this point and then was like really moving really, really, really quickly. And we were only making out and that was it. And like he was really weird about like, that's all we're going to do. Okay. And I was kind of like, okay, it's kind of the third and we're homosexuals and we don't need to. But okay, whatever, it's not going to hang out. And so he had these weird sort of reasons why, like, he was like, you know, I just, I can't really go there yet.

You can't really do that. And then I made plans. I got, like, tickets to a movie on Valentine's Day. And I was like, is this cheesy? And I was like, hey, if you want to go, I was like, this is a thing. Do you want to go? And he was like, I have to do my taxes that night. And so then I.

I was like, okay, that's terrible whether it's a lie or the truth. Yes. That was one that I was like, oh, absolutely get out of here forever. Yes. Because I was like, you have to do your taxes. On Valentine's Day that night. And taxes are going to take all night? All night.

And then I saw a picture of him on Valentine's with a girl, like his girlfriend and they were going to a movie that. And I'm like, why wouldn't you just tell me you wrote out with your girl? Like, that's fine. We're not even serious, but that's when I was like, oh, you're a liar. Yes. And there's way bigger problems here than that. And that was one that I was kind of like, oh, and I was just, just, I was like, we're never seeing each other again. Like literally wrote back and I said, because he checked him with me a few days later.

And I said, I'm never going to see you again. And I just had nothing. And I was like. That's so wild to me that he would do that post about being somewhere else with somebody else. And not even with another guy. And then check in with you. I was like, it really. made no sense to me because it easily could have been like, oh, sorry, I already had a plan.

And I had plans were going to a movie. Okay, cool. No problem. But I was like, that was weird. And then I've definitely had others where they, you know, we, where they've shown up and were, oh, oh, oh, okay, there's so many. There was one where we made plans to get dinner and he showed up at dinner. and was noticeably drunk when he got there. But then it was one of those, like, after that one extra drink, was a lunatic and was digging food out of his mouth and throwing it on the floor and yelling at people.

And I had to pull him out. Oh, and trying to make out with me at the, like, lost his mind. And then I had to pull him out of the thing. And I felt so like Andy Garcia and when a man lives a woman, like, I'm so like, I'm so sorry. I don't know. And then I was like trying to pull this guy away. And then next day checked in, like, that was so hot. When are we got to hang out again? Had no memory of it whatsoever. Whoa. Like I had to pull it, like, I had to like pour him into his apartment. Like at home. It was just like a complete blackout experience. And then.

To check in, it'd be like, hey, let's do that again. Yeah. And then it was like, and like, and like, you're like, if you have no memory, like, I've been there. I'm not, you know, I've definitely been there where I'm like, oh my God. I had a birthday. recently, a few years ago, where I think, I mean, I'm, I don't drink that much of my birthday because I'm talking to people all night. And I'm kind of aware that people are giving me drinks and someone who's trying to do water, I was really good with that. I think I may have been dosed that night.

I don't know. I have a crazy, there was a really angry bartender at this little private, little cute little bar that was like very small. And the bartender was so rude that my friends were, oh, my God, that guy was such a dick. He was so awful. And he looked familiar. and then I was like, oh, he had like woofed me on the apps and I went back and was not nice.

Now, I could be completely making all this up. But he was so awful to the people. And then... You didn't make it up because other people said he was rude. Other people were saying he was awful. If somebody else corroborates the story, it happened. He could have possibly put something in my drink because I was carried home. And I, like, six months later ran into a friend who was like,

it was really uncomfortable. Like, who are you? I have never seen you like that before. I had to put you in bed and it was rough. And I was like, I have no memory of even getting home. That's so fucking scary. I've been there and I'm not, you know, and that was one where I was like, because I'm a drinker.

I like, I like my party. But I know how to not. Yes. I also am just, and I'm also just lucky. Yes. I am lucky because if my chemistry were different, I would not be able to drink the way that I do. I just am lucky that way.

but I know when I'm like so but anyway but I just remember the next day and the next day I was so sick I couldn't eat anything all day like I was like I could not get food and I was like and I was calling people going what happened because I just remember a moment and then it was just gone the rest of the night but to literally the next day if you have that experience and the next day I'd be like hey let's hang out again yeah you should be mortified on some level there's something going on I went on a date with a guy who got so drunk and was so rude to me. And then checked in the next day and was like, we should hang out again. I was like, actually, no. Yeah. I don't know. You were really rude. You said X, Y, and Z.

And he's like, I don't even remember that. And I was like, oh, well, that's what happened. That's also a problem. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not making that up. No. And also, you were doing him such a favor, giving him all of that because you didn't,

you didn't have to give him any of them. No, I could have just not answered. I could have just been like, I'm out. I was like, no, you need to know that you fucking miss fucking behaved. Yes. It was terrible. I know. Real quick.

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Because it was like a lovely sort of like just like walking around in New York together and, you know, and it was sort of like I was very cute and sweet and nice. And like with kind of no agenda about like, oh, we had to do this, I did this. I went to like a diner and had breakfast. And it just felt very like lovely. I like that. Yeah. Some of my favorite dates are. just like going to a diner and sharing pancakes.

I know. Getting some eggs and coffee and then like strolling around, pop it into a shop. Yeah. Oh, I love it. It just feels like, oh, it just because it also just doesn't feel, you know, it's no pressure. It's not cheesy because I've been on the ones that are like, they, you know, bring you flowers or they just say all the really nice things to you. And at a certain point, I'm just sort of like, I don't know what's wrong with me, but I'm like, I don't trust all this. Well, it's love bombing.

A little love bombing, yeah. And you don't want to get love bomb. No. Although I'm very susceptible to it. I am too. And I have been. So I feel like I go the opposite way. So if you want to just show up and like be sweet and we have a little sexy time and we get to like walk around and hang out, it's really nice.

Also, when you're like, you know, that's another reason why I think it's hard for us. I was from is that like I have only so much energy when I have. in the middle of doing like a play, like eight shows a week of a play. I am not my, like, randiest. I also just like, I don't have a lot of, I don't have a voice. I don't have a lot of energy. So like, when it can just feel like, oh, and no pressure to do the thing and have the day. Because you have one day off a week and you're like, that's the day that I'm in bed and I don't want to like do anything.

So when it just, when it just nice and casual, it feels it's good. But I'm also like, I also really like my time alone. Like I just came from a really fun, crazy job where I was working with a lot of different people. Then I traveled. I had like a month where... Where'd you go? I went to, well, first of all, I went to South Carolina. Outside of Myrtle Beach.

I don't want to get too crazy, too fast. But I was in, the Carolinas that's all my family. And then I went to London and just had a great time there. And then went back to New York for a week to just hang out. And I was bopping around and I was like staying with people. so nice and so fun, but I have finally gotten back in my apartment by myself with no roommate and no one else. And I am sleeping. I realize that I'm like, I love being single. Yet I'm open. I'm not like aggressively single. Yeah. But I don't, and I don't think I ever have like really pined like,

oh my God, I'm not with someone. I think people make you think you're supposed to be with someone. Yes. And I think that what I've embraced just as just as a human number one, but also as a queer person, And they're like, oh, the rules are just made up. They are just made up. And you're socialized to believe that, like, you have to be in a relationship. And that's the most important thing, this romantic relationship. And for a very long time, I was like, that's all I want. I mean, the podcast is why won't you date me?

I was like, I need it. I want it. And then before I got into a relationship, I got really, really okay with being alone. And I do like being alone. and now that I'm in this relationship, I can say to this nice man in my life, I'm going to go upstairs and be alone for 30 to 40 minutes. Oh, 100%.

And he goes, okay. And when he wants to be alone, he'll let me know. That's how I'm sure how it works. Because also, I mean, I have a point about I recharge. I mean, the whole like introvert, extrovert thing, and I talk about how you recharge, I have to be alone. I do it. I play the role of an extrovert well.

Like, I go out. I can go to the parties. I can talk to the. people, I can do that, but I'm exhausted at the end of the day. And then I'm like, when I can just go home and just have nothing to do that night and just chill. So I know that, and I want to be with somebody who's also like that. Yes. And I want to be with another person that's wired like me in that way. I cannot have a shadow and I can't be with someone. I can't be someone's shadow. Yes. And I can't. So I know what I don't want. And I also want him to be, what I've always said

is like I've admired relationships where the couple shows up at the door together at the party and they go and then they do their own thing and then they go home together I'm like that's sexy to me I like that you're your own people I always talk I always remember as a child growing up in the church and going to these weddings

and they would have do you know the unity candle are you familiar with this thing? No. Nicole the bride has a candle lit candle the groom has a lit candle then they collect collectively light one candle in the middle, then they turn around and they blow out their own candles, and they have this candle together. As a child, I was like, never, ever, ever.

No. I'm not blowing out my candle and you're not blowing out your candle. Wait, Drew, that's really kind of wild. Yeah. So. Oh, yeah. That was the thing. It was like, we're no longer these things.

Separate people were just this one candle, this one entity. I don't like that. Bad little wick trying to stay alive. You ever see people in the airport and you're like, brother or sister? And then they kiss and you're like, what? Oh. Y'all looks so much alive. No, no, no, way too much alike.

Like old people who look so much. Honey, gay people. The gays. I mean, how narcissistic you have to be. You're literally, you are, you're fucking a marriage. You're fucking yourself. You're just like, oh, my God. You are so hot.

Y'all look exactly the same. You guys are Mary Kate. Ashley. Yeah, it's the shining twins. And you're, like, glad you've felt someone. Yeah. So, but I now think about that in everything. I'm like, that's also when we come home.

Like, go to your room for 40 minutes. Go, you know what I mean? Like, have your time so that our time together is quality and not like, we have to be. Because I get anxiety. Yes. When I'm around. And that's what people that I love.

That's when I'm with my mother or my brother and his family. Or like, good friends. I'm like, I have too much time. with one person and I can't even just knowing that you're there. Yes. I can't do it. It's a little too much. It's a little too much.

I went and saw Lady Gaga. Oh, Lady Gaga. How is she? Monday. She was incredible. I think this is, I'm a monster. I think this is my fifth time seeing. Wow.

I saw her so early on. Like, I think it was the fame ball tour or the monster ball tour. I don't know. I've seen some of her like early, early. Like, I just love her so much. And I went and then I got home. home and then I was like to the nice man in my life I was like I missed you and he was like I actually missed you too and then we just like cuddled on the couch and like showed each other little like

TikToks and Instagrams and then we just like went to bed and I was like it's so nice that I like went off had an experience came home and told him about it and we both were able to articulate oh I missed you for the two three hours I was gone but also like if you had drug him along with you to lady he would not have had fun and you would have had fun and you would have had less fun because you'd been worried about his good time yes and you would have been like oh god and I'm Just, you know, and that's one of those things, too, that you got to know because I think in your early days, I got to find somebody that likes all the things that I like. Yes. Otherwise, the deal bigger.

You're never going to find that person. No. I have yet to find anyone on earth that agrees with me on every movie I've ever seen. You know, and that's great. What's your most controversial movie opinion? I don't know. I do hate Forrest Gump. I really hate Forrest Gump. But a lot of people hate it.

I know a lot of people do. Louis Ritchell has an amazing takedown of that movie that, like, you know. He put it down way smarter than I am, but like, it's an evil movie. It's a very mean-spirited, very bad movie. It's one of my favorite movie. Is it really? And here's the thing. I know it's bad.

I know it wouldn't hold up or like if it was released today, it would not have been, you know, gotten so many awards or whatever. But I love it. And when it's on, so Eble run it on Christmas. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like all the time. I'll watch it from the middle to the end. and when it starts over again,

sit there and watch the whole thing again. Oh, sure. That's me with steal my noias. Like, if steal my noias, I will literally, I can drop into that movie at any moment. There's some of them like that, or like soap dish or the beaches, sure. Drew, when did you start dating? When did I start dating?

I guess in my, like, 20s when I, like, moved out here. I was very, you know, I went through like a period where, I mean, I was that asexual, chubby kid, all through college. I mean, college, you know, stuff happened. But, I mean, I was still like never felt cute, never felt like I was always like, I can't, I have rehearsal.

Never had, you know, it was, I was. I can't. I have rehearsal. Have you seen tartuff? That's a lot of lines. I have seen tartuff. You have seen tartuff. I love tartuff.

Isn't it fun? I haven't seen it in years. I believe I started at the paper mill playhouse in New Jersey. Oh, wow. That's a, what a ball. You really unlocked a memory. That is a poll. Paper mill.

I believe that's where I saw it. Wow. Oh. Wow. What's your favorite play? My favorite play is probably who's afraid of Virginia Woolf. I do love. I mean, that's like everything kind of goes back to that.

Yes. I saw it with Kathleen Turner. Me too, Bill Irwin. Yes. Oh, my goodness. It was so good. So good. The goader who is Sylvia is also.

Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. Oh. I love Ariralevi. Oh, it's just these broken people. Delicious. who are just like, I can't believe. Also, just these unbelievable things that people do in this place that are also completely

believe. Like, you're like, I get it. I get it. Yeah, but I was that person. And then I was like in my 20. Then I got lost a ton of weight. And I got real twinky. And I was like bleach blonde.

And I moved out to L.A. And I was literally like, I'm going to be a twink. And I really, I looked like it. I looked like it. I looked like I had none of that. I was, I've always been Dorothy's Bordak inside. So like there's just never been that. So I tried to play this thing that I thought I was supposed to be as a,

and I felt cute and I was out here and it was like new. And so like I had a weird relationship with like what I really wanted. And because I never really wanted a daddy or I never really wanted that thing that I thought I was supposed to. So you were like twig, twink presenting, but like the soul wasn't twill. Yeah, the soul was never, was never a twink. And I love a twink. I wish I could, you know. But I never even, when I think about like, even acting jobs I did, I never really played a twink.

I mean, I maybe played people who thought they were twinks, but I never really played a, I mean, I just didn't. I was always like the oldest child and always like the kind of sardonic one. And so I thought I had to play. So it's so weird. I think sometimes you think, like, oh, I have to be like closeted. I have to play this role. I have to act like a man or whatever man acts like. And then you come out and you're like,

well, now I just have to do that. I have to play a different role that is also not really authentically me. Yeah. So then, and so when I sort of just sort of relax and I was very career oriented. And I was like, no one can see me naked. No one can date me because I'm going to be on television soon. And I need to have a complete. And I was still.

Wait, that's really interesting. Velvet rage. I had a lot of that like, of like, I need to be perfect and have no. Like sexual track record or anything because I don't want anybody. I don't know. It's also, I look back and I'm like, is it just straight up narcissism or is it or is it fear? It's a little bit of everything. But I was sort of like, is it like a Pete Buttigieg thing where it's like I'm going to be as perfect as I can so you can't have any problem with me as a gay person?

I don't know. Do you think it might have been if you see all of me, who am I when I'm working? Like not being able to have a delineation between who you are in your private life and who you are on camera? Maybe. Like you didn't want to be fully vulnerable with somebody? I definitely didn't want to be fully vulnerable for a really long time. And I think a lot of it was that I just felt like, oh, if everybody knows my business. And I also just, I had this such a strange feeling about like, like, I didn't want to make.

It was also just trickled into like I didn't want to make any enemies. I wanted everyone to like me. But it was all. And so I, you know, I got to point by the. time, you know, whatever, who cares about age, but at a certain point, I realized that like, oh, I have a lot of acquaintances and a few friends, like close friends. But I'm very good at making all that. And so when it comes to like being with someone and actually being vulnerable, that took a lot

longer for me. I think it's really hard as a performer to shut the performer off and just like, be yourself at home with somebody there. And, well, it's also like, I feel like you are every day when we're lucky putting yourself out there. Love me, love me, love me, love me. Hire me. Like me. Pay me.

Pay me. Yes. Be the choice. And then you're like, I do that during the day. And then at night, I have to date and do the same thing. So it starts to just feel like I got to something's got to give. And I'm going to just. So, and then I attach myself with really like not good guys for me.

I'll just put it that way. who were very attracted to a lot of things about me, but not really. And so they were a lot of, I was always with a lot of really attractive guys who really wanted to be in my world, in comedy world. And would flirt like crazy. All my friends are like, what's going on there? And it was just so many dead ends. And so, and lots of hurt feelings and lots of emotional, you know, abuse is too strong of a word, but just sort of like neglect or just like straight up like, oh, you know, this is, you know, and then without actually telling me it's not going further,

I had to sort of learn. Learn the hard way and be like, what's going on? Have you seen Pillion? What's Pillion? This new movie with Alexander Scarscar, where it's like a Dom Suck. No, no, no, but I really want to. Okay, Nicole, I can't even say, I mean, I walked out of there so upset because just guys like that, I'm like, I can't even go on this ride with this movie.

I went out of this movie. Oh, really? It was abuse. It's straight up abuse in that movie. And I can't say it's a bad movie. It definitely affected me. The actors are great in it. But for people to call it a romance or a comedy, I was not remotely.

I was so uncomfortable. And I think a lot of it was my own stuff of like, oh, I've been with those assholes. I've been with those guys who are like, yeah, I'll allow you to fuck around with me. But I'm not really going to ever, you know, and you're so lucky to be with me. So, and so I just was with a lot of, you know. And so then I shot it all. There was a period too. I was like, I don't want to feel that way anymore.

I don't want to hurt like that anymore. So I just went through a long period where I was like, I'm good. And so, yeah, so I've, that's been a lot of it. And so then I've had like little pockets in between where I've been like, oh, this person's cute and fun. And we'll have a moment. But I've never had a long-term relationship. No. Ever.

This is my first one. I never had one before that. How long? I do think it's a little over a year and a hour. Oh, wow. Oh, that's great. Congrats. That's nice.

Thank you. But I do think it's really interesting in entertainment, in the media, like, bad relationships get romanticized. I think all the time of Carrie and Big. And the fact that they end up together, I'm like, that should never have happened. No. Big was very mean to Carrie. He was horrible to her.

Like, in a way where I was like, this isn't aspirational. No. None of the relationships on the show are aspirational. And nobody should try to emulate. them. But I feel like, you know, people are like, you know, my romance is like carrying big and it's like, all the times of people say that about themselves. We'll always, they'll talk about that. And you're like, why are you, why? Why are you constantly, you know. Why? And I thought that was normal for a while to have like to chase a man who actively did not like me. Oh, oh, I know. Well, I think we,

we also think like, we have to make it harder in order to make it count. And I think sometimes what I've had to learn to is like follow the green lights. I've learned that in my in my career or whatever I have going on my life, all of it. I've had to go, if it's easy, that's a good thing. Don't go, oh no, but I have to and so that people who like like you for you, that may not be your partner, but that's your friend, that's your person. That's somebody you have to keep around. And not just the person who's like, yeah, but they kind of allow this and they kind of, and you hear yourself, or, oh, all. And you. Oh, they're so great 101. Yeah, they're awful around all my friends.

They're really like, they were really, you know, they showed up drunk when they met my mom. But they're so good one-on-one. Fuck that. No, they're not showing up all the time correctly. And they're telling you in a lot of ways that you don't matter to them. Yes. And you have to really learn that. And I think, too, we just are so used to abuse on some levels from this business about, I mean, it's like literally I still like even, thank you so much.

I showed up to your podcast. your lovely producers, would you like, would you like something to drink? And I'm like, that is so nice. We are so used to doing things where people are like, all right, over there. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And you're like, okay. All right.

We'll call you. And so then you kind of, that trickles down and you're sort of like, but the thing is, it's like, what's weird is like, I don't consciously have a bad self-esteem. I don't go through like when you suck. You're awful. But there's some level of like, I've been taught to expect less. Yes. Yes.

And to not get disappointed. Yes. But then it's sort of like when it comes to dating in a relationship, just expect more. Expect the world. Expect more, but also tell someone what you're expected. 100%. Is that something I've learned? I'm like, they can't read my mind.

Right. I have to sometimes say, hey, I didn't love X, Y, and Z. Can we do it better next time? Yes. And if they say yes, I would love to try, then that's great. But if they really just cannot meet me, maybe that's not. my person. And that was also a hard lesson to learn. I think I have had to do that too because it's like I'm very hard to read in a way that I think I'm very easy to read. Come on. I'm not that

difficult. But it's like, yeah, the amount of people that are like, I don't know if you're kidding or serious. I don't know. And also it's like you have to be really honest with people and tell people like also I need my time alone it's not personal or like you said that was that was a weird thing and can we talk about that and just or not do that again and I have to risk you saying no I'm not going to and then I have to risk blowing it up if it's weird and then go okay but it's also like or I hold on to it and I don't tell you and then I blow up and then yeah then you don't feel good and then you're like talking to your therapist and therapist is like just talk to them and you're like well bitch if I do that might be.

I know, exactly. And you're like, that's what you got to do. Well, on that note, we have to take another break. Okay, I don't know about you, but I'm overwearing heavy caked on makeup. I used to spend so much time on different makeup steps, blending and buffing with 50 different brushes. And by the end of it, I feel like I didn't even like look like myself. That's why I'm really into Jones Road Beauty. They make makeup feel effortless and fun again. Their miracle bomb is their bestseller. It's like magic in a jar. You just use a little thingies, you swipe it on. It's so easy. It does so much too. I can use it as my blush, my bronze, or even a little lip tent. It replaces so many steps and gives you a healthy glow in less than a minute. And because it's clean beauty, it's packed with ingredients that actually nourish your skin instead of clogging or caking. Check out Jones Road Beauty. It's modern day makeup that's clean, strategic, and multifunctional for effortless routines. For a limited, at time, my listeners are getting a free shimmer face oil on their first purchase when they use

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dogmatic. We went to church every Sunday. We went to, then I had like youth group. We went to the Methodist youth group. But these are very casual sort of connections. I mean, like, I don't really have. Now, I did see a lot of pettiness and the church among just the like small town of it all. Yes. And I saw a lot of just that.

But I don't have like major hangups. You don't have like. Like I don't go to church now. No. I don't think so. And I don't have like. I don't go to church, but I have a very, like, sort of like big picture, sort of hippie-dippy. Like, I'm really good with Jesus and I'm good with, like, people that are good.

But I hate even saying. I'm good with Jesus. Jesus is good. I mean, in the way of like. Jesus is my homeboy. You know? Remember those church? Oh, my God.

Jesus is my homie. I'm going to be able to talk about it. I'm fine. I'm like, and I also think, like, for me, it's like, Jesus Christ's superstar. Do you what I mean? Like that, the hippie who's like, I like everybody. let's have love, let's be cool. Like, sure, absolutely.

I don't go to church. It's a very strange thing to, like, know how I identify to talk about, like, in terms of, like, but I'm so not, like, you know. And I also respect, obviously, respect atheists. If that's what you want to do. Whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever gets you through the day because I know. But it's like, if it's going to calm you and make you a better person to go through the world, absolutely. I feel like religion truly goes either way. It either makes you a better person or it makes you a piece of shit.

100%. And then you use religion to justify all these awful things you believe. Well, and that's the thing too. Like, I, no, that's obviously not what I can get behind. Because it's obviously that, you know, being gay and being from the South and all that, and all that stuff that you're told. And then not that part of religion. When did you move here?

How old were you? I was right after college. So I was 22. Were you doing theater? You were doing theater in high school? I did theater in high school and in college. Yeah, I was a theater major in college. Didn't go to college.

I was going to college to be a professor. I wanted to be an English professor. Oh. And then I was like, this is too much reading and writing. I like to, you know what it also was? I wanted to be creative. And an English major in a BA was not creative. It was like, you're going to read,

other people's books and you're going to write papers about other. And I was like, I want to be in the books. Yes. I want to write the books. And so you're like, oh, I want to. And so then I was like, oh, theater's more active in that way. And yeah, so I did that. And then I moved out here right after college and started doing improv.

You were doing the groundlings. To the groundlings. And then met you at UCB? Yes. When did we meet? Do you remember when we met? It was a minute ago. It was so long ago because I moved here October of 2012.

Okay. So probably in like 2013, maybe 14. No, probably 2013. I think I met you pretty early on when I moved here. Uh-huh. Yeah. LA is such a strange place. Well, you know, I mean, I'm not the person to say that.

I love it too. I've missed it. I mean, there were no seasons here. And so you really have a hard time remembering when you met people, what you're doing. And so there's certain tent polls I have. Like, I remember that show is in this year. And I remember certain things like that. But yeah, how long we do.

knowing each other. I'm like... Simply don't know. There's people in my life where I'm like, yeah, I don't know where I'm like, yeah, I don't know where I met. You're just in my life. You're in the Zygai guy. You're there. But now we got... Also, we meet everybody like, you know, on a show.

You're like, meet 10 people and then you're like backstage, you know, at a party and whatever, so, yeah. But... What made you want to do comedy? Because I really wanted to do drama and I got laughs. I mean, I really wanted to be a dramatic actor and I was so mad when now we get... I mean, it's that and also... Yeah, I mean, I always just wanted to be, that was always my, I would, in class, I would always, you know, like in college, I was like, I'm going to be the greatest actor and I'm going to overact and why are they laughing? Why are people laughing? This is serious, you know. And I didn't really embrace that I was like, oh, yeah, just do comedy and do that. And a really funny dad and like, I feel like we always, like communicated that way. You know, I also grew up watching Carol Burnett and Saturday Live and In Living Color and

kids in the hall, like all of that was my vocabulary. And, you know, that's what I, and so it's just makes sense that. It's interesting that you grew up watching comedy, but you're like, I want to be a serious actor. Yeah, and I know. I think it's because comedy isn't like legitimized. I know. There aren't really awards given for comedy.

Like, it's always drama that's rewarded. And I think also it's like the thing I'm talking about the follow the green lights. Like, I was like, no, but it has to be like serious. And I don't know who I thought I was going to be. Like, did I think I was going to be? Jude Ball? Like, who did I think? I was like, oh, yeah, that's the kind of actor that I'm going to be.

I'm going to be like a really legit. But then also, I think, too, like, a lot of people say this that are, you know, like, I didn't really see myself a lot on TV either. Like, I didn't see people like me or that sounded like me or, you know. So I was kind of like, nah, I don't really know. Like, I don't know what I, you know, they were certain people that you would watch on TV and go. Yeah, it's like, what lane do I go in if I don't see myself? Right.

It's hard to emulate someone's career if there isn't a career to emulate. Right. And there are plenty of women that I would saw, like I would watch them. They'd go, oh, yeah, I love her. You know, and so you're watching, you know. But it was always like, you know, it was like, it was always like Jan Hooks and Kim Wans and, you know, on all the sketch shows. It was the woman on the show that was my favorite. Yes.

That I was never into like the guy. Everybody else was like, oh, Adam Sandler and Chris Farley, whatever. I'm like, no, no, but I like the ladies. But I also, it was that weird thing of like, those are the characters that I related to and the whole thing to. But I was like, but how does that work for me? You know, and so it, you know, takes a while to figure all that out. It sure does. But I think you figured it out.

How did Chloe Savanye come about? That was literally when I was doing a sketch show and I put on a blonde wig and I looked in the mirror. And I was like, I look like her. And I read an interview with her and she was just name dropping such esoteric, specific. And I was like, oh my God, her world is fascinating to me. And so then I put it up on stage. It bombed horribly.

Interesting. First time I did it, it was a huge turd. It was terrible. And then I just begged our director to let me try it again. And I didn't change anything, but the next audience got it and liked it. And I never knew from audience to audience. It was such a crap shoot until I started doing the videos. And then the videos took off and then now everyone or at that time, people just all liked it.

At one point, it's weird how things, now that it's popular or now that people knew it, because it was like in the early stages of viral videos. And people are like, oh, my God, we love, you know, it's like, oh, you do? It still blows my own that people, like, talk about it and like it because I remember the very first night I did it. That is so interesting to me. And I really love that you were like, I think I'd like to try it again. Like, I think that's such a dream that you were not deterred by people not liking it. I don't know why because I'm so quick to abandon an idea.

And also like going through the groundlings, we were writing sketches every week. And you're like, okay, it's fine. And I just had my, I was just doing my play. And I was like, we did previews. And I'm like, didn't get a laugh. Cut it. Change it. Move it around.

And producers were like, you're so good about cutting and changing. And go, if it's not working, I don't need it. I'd let it go. We learned that lesson so quickly. And for some reason, that was one that I was like, I want to try, give this another week. And I'm very grateful that I did that. I don't know where that came from. Because especially in my, at that time of my life, I was so insecure.

I was like, oh, wait, it's fine. They hate it. Fine. I tried something else. I sometimes get like that where I try a joke and I'm like, no, there's something about that premise that I really do like. I got to figure it out. And then sometimes, like my friend Marcella will watch a set and she'll be like, you just

have to clarify this one line. And then it changes the whole joke. Yes. And I'm like, oh, there it is. I'm glad I didn't give up on it. And that's what it's always great about working with a friend, colleague, director, anybody who sees that thing that you don't see, who just. goes, oh, it's just because this isn't clear.

And you're like, oh, and then all of a sudden it's there. Because there's something in us that we know, it's like, okay, this is trash and this is fine. And, oh, well, that got a laugh. I had no idea. But then there's some, you're like, I know there's something good here. I know this is somewhere here. And I got to. There's just like a little nugget and I got to figure out.

Maybe if I go over here and go over here and bring it over to here. And then it's like, ooh, what a treat. It fucking worked. Done. And it worked. Yeah. Let me ask you this. Do you have any advice for single people?

Yes. I do. First of all, love being single. Okay. Love your singleness. This is so pat, and everyone says this, but like, just like own yourself and love the things about yourself. Don't change who you need, like, who you are to be somebody else. I will say, like, I will say, like, the older I get, the less I give a shit about how I look, how I'm presenting.

you know, I'm like so proud to be feminine and also masculine and not trying to play one side versus the other. So it's just about like love like who you're with and you're with you all the time. So love that and look for that in somebody else. And in the meantime, enjoy being single. I like that. Yeah. I like that. Love yourself because that's who you are.

That's who you're with. Yeah. You're just with you. Yep. You come in this world alone and you die. That's right. Yes. And we love it.

Yes. Devas! Drew, do you have anything you want to promote? Well, I am doing this show, the Dynasty Typewriter, on April 1st, April Fool's Day. Ooh. I have no idea what it is. And that's excited. I have a month to write it and put it up.

So I'm just, and you're the, this is the first, I mean, by the time this, this is, this will air like a few days before the show. So I will know at that point what it is. Or you won't. Oh, I won't. We'll just figure it out. We'll just see. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. I ask all of my guesses. I've only missed it a couple of times. Would you date me? Of course I would date you. Thank you. We could just watch Fars Gump and...

And you'll be so upset the whole time. I'll be so mad at you the whole time. And I'll be like, come on, run with the little braces on. And I'll be like, I'm done. I'm done. And I'll be like, I understand. Thank you so much. Well, thank you so much for being here.

Oh, God. Thank you for having me. If you like this episode of Why Won't You Date, me, you could rate it, you could subscribe, you'd give me five stars on Apple Podcasts. And if you write me something nasty hitting on me to why won't you date me podcast at gmail.com, I will read it. Please keep them short. But stay creative. This person writes, Nicole and her nice man can come over. He could pound Nicole from the back while I'm sitting in a chair in the corner, cheering, nailed it. After I'll send the couple to couples therapy for the trauma from this

interaction. That's lovely. Thank you so much. Goodbye. That was a hate gum podcast. Hey, everyone. This is Natalie. And this is Charlie.

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