Wild Times: Wildlife Education - California Fires, Python Lays Eggs Without Male Help, Forrest Galante Thoughts on Steve Irwin

Episode Date: September 14, 2020

Listen and play the wild times drinking game with us! RULES: https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/17868506026974413/ P.S. Drink responsibly, brosteners. Show Notes: Big Fires Cause Big Problems EoA Behind the Scenes - Fires in Tazmania 00;07;08;10 Forrest and Pat talk about status of Extinct or Alive 3rd season 00;11;14;22 Death by elephant   00;16;50;24 Forrest Talks about Torture Mueseum in Bancock 00;17;38;27 Japanese use sharks to torture POW's during WWII 00;19;45;16 Listener asks Forrest about incident where a doe attacked him 00;21;55;26 The Broducer Talks About the time he pee'd his pants 00;24;16;00 Forrest talks about python that laid eggs without being exposed to a mate 00;28;40;08 Borris Becker Story   00;31;33;04 Forrest Galante talks about Steve Irwin saving lives of missing divers 00;34;22;03 Pat talks about the Sea Shepherds attempting to rescue someone during Whale Wars season 3 filming 00;36;20;24 Listener asks Forrest, "what is the craziest animal that lives in the UK" 00;38;08;06 Knoxville, TN Tiger on the loose Forrest talks about how one might track and capture a tiger on the loose in an urban area 00;41;05;19 Forrest answers: How long until you would get killed by a big cat if dropped in the saranghetti naked 00;45;09;08 Forrest Galante talks about fences and boundries on Nakes and Afraid 00;47;47;15 Forrest Galante talks about dancing naked in front of his partner on Naked and Afraid 00;50;04;05 The broducer talks about his friend's experience on NEXT the TV show 00;52;48;07 Forrest talks about recording episode 1 of The Wild Times Podcast 00;57;58;15 Forrest Galante talks about how Academia views his work 01;00;02;01 Battle Royale   01;06;05;19 The Jewel Wasp   01;20;27;27

Here we are. Once again, episode 24 of the Wild Times podcast. This is our first live stream. Thank you if you're tuned in for joining us. If you don't know who I am, I'm Forrest Galante, wildlife biologist, pardon me, wildlife broologist. I'm coming today. You planned. Thank you. Joined today by the broducer, Mr. Patrick Deluca. He's got a chain on. That's a new look. His hair is getting long. I'm pretty sure he's going to sell me a used car. pretty soon. Here's what it is. I'm getting old, and so I'm trying to do what a lot of old people in California do, which is compensate with like dressing younger. So that's what I'm doing.

How tight are your jeans? My jeans are incredibly tight, and there's a huge hole in the crotch. Nice. Yes. And as well as the ancient yet dressing down producer, we have the professor with us, Mr. Retep. He's joining us live from Recita, as he likes to remind us every single week. If there's anything interesting about that at all. There is something interesting today. The entire

fucking place is covered in a thick layer of smoke and the whole and California is on fire. Oh boy. Matt McHugh just destroyed. Matt McHugh just got Peter real hard. Does Peter have Touretzer is just a comfy chair to wiggle in for the

whole podcast. God, I heard last time I'm really going to try and rain that in this time. I was watching last time just getting fucking pissed at myself. I was like, sit still. So distracting. I'm on cocaine, Matt. Eat a dick. All right. Let's get into this. Let's get into this. How are you guys? Everybody's home. We're all home. That's a change. Dude, we have the, I'm sorry, we have the funniest, we must have the funniest listeners of any podcast. They're all making me laugh. I can't stop reading the comments. Knock it off. They're saying I look like a discount Christalia.

And Miguel Brito is just ragging on the professor for looking like a potato. It's great. And I'm in my boxer briefs too. So let's get this rolling. Why don't you give the people what they want? Why don't you pop that shirt off? Hell no, dude. I got a fucking B cup roll in here.

I haven't worked out in a month, man. There's no way. If I can get it, if I can get 350,000. $1,000 in donations, I'll pop the shirt off. Hmm. Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen soon. I don't even know how people would donate. All right, so Forrest, let's start off with a little sip.

We all have our drinks for the drinking game. We're going to play along. Vodka Lemonade here. What do you got there, boy? I got a fat tire. It's not, it's been a long day. I drove in from Oregon today, so. Yeah, so what's going on up there, dude?

I didn't realize we're in California. We're always fucked with fires, but Oregon's like apparently really bad. I guess I missed it the last couple days. It's a disaster. 10% of the entire state has been evacuated. Think of that. That's fucking nuts. The entire state has been evacuated.

I didn't know that. Holy shit, dude. That's like millions of people, yeah? I think it's about 500,000. I have to take a look. It's not millions. But it's, look, it's crazy, though. Like, all jokes aside, so I was on this big road trip for anybody that's been

falling along either on the pod or on, on social media and we went, you know, all the way up to into Montana, crossing a few states, and then dropping down through Washington and Oregon. And I was out camping. I was telling the story before we were recording. And I was out camping and woke up on the Rogue River trout fishing and was like, huh, sky don't look so good. And drove into town and town was just, it was abandoned.

And it was super weird. I came back over the hill on this dirt road, popped down into this small town in Oregon and there wasn't one person there. And I was like, huh, this doesn't seem right. Like, it is 2020. Like, maybe there's an actual apocalypse. Drove around town for like five minutes and then got on the highway or like the main road leading out of town and caught up to a police barricade. And there was the first people I saw. And I was like, Jesus, what is going on? And, and the police were just like, hey, get out of here. Like, this whole town's evacuated. What are you doing? I was like, oh, camping like two hours down dirt roads that way. And they're like, yeah, get the hell out of here.

Like you're right by the fire. Oh my God. They're like, do you not smell it? Stupid? What's wrong with their nose? You can't, you couldn't tell that everything was like on fire and you couldn't see. Like, how was the smoke there and shit? I mean, when I went, I got, we got in two days prior.

It was beautiful, crystal clear air. Everything was fine. Fish for a day. Whatever went to bed. Woke up the next morning. And it was, uh, it was orange sky. But like, you couldn't smell smoke. I mean, everything smells like smoke.

I'm camping. Yeah, it's true. There's no distinguishing. factor. And yeah, I was just like, all right, something's a miss. I mean, look, I knew there was a fire. I didn't know it was as severe as it was. And then, yeah, it canceled all the rest of my trip plans.

So, I tailed it home from Oregon between yesterday and today and made it in like an hour ago. Wow. Wow. So, Peter, you've got a new nickname from the listeners. The Brotato. The Brotato. Yeah, I saw it.

I had a step on that for you, you dick. I saw how happy you were about to say it out loud. Dude, I feel like an asshole because Forrest was talking about people being evacuated in their homes burning down. And I was laughing at the same time because of Rotato. I know. You're very distracted by the live chat. Dude, get your head in the game. Only look every once in a while. Pay attention.

People are on live. We got to interact. That's the whole point. No, all right. I know. I know. I know. All right.

Wait. So, yeah. Oh, I was just going to say. So, I mean, Forrest, I would hear like I went outside today. I haven't seen the sun, first of all. It's been sunny. the weather forecast for the past three days has just been smoke. And like, you can't see the sun at all.

It's fucking insane. Like, is this going to fuck up just the smoke alone? Because it's covering the entire West Coast. Like, the fires are obviously destroying things up and down the coast. Does the smoke and the blocking out the sun actually fuck up the environment and animals or anything like that? Yeah, look, that's a good question. It's the direct thing about, you fucking.

cunt over there. Sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, giant, giant fires burning down natural habitat. It doesn't affect the animals at all. That's why I fucking disclaimed it with, of course, the fires are going to disocious. I'm asking about the smoke specifically. Calm down, calm down. People should drink. Have a drink. Everybody. Have a drink. Before us, it's a good segue

into Mitch's back 12. He's asking about the Tasmanian Tiger. Do you think, I think he's an Australia, he's asking, do you think it's in Australia or Papua New Guinea? When we were in Tasmania the first time, the whole fucking place was on fire, dude. Yeah. The animals were acting crazy. Yeah. So, all right, two-parter here. First of all, yes, big fires definitely cause big problems for wildlife. When we filmed the pilot of Extincter Alive, and here we go, Extincter Alive behind the scene story, when we filmed the pilot of Extincter Alive, is that a drink? Yeah. Extincter Live behind the scenes, I believe that's a booze drink.

Cheers, mates. Cheers. So when we went on the pilot of Extincter Live, we went to look for the thylasee in the Tasmanian Tiger. And when we went there, we went to Tasmania during the largest fire that the state of Tasmania has ever seen. And when we hit the ground, we were like, holy shit, like, we have to leave. Like, this is terrible, right?

And Patrick, you'll remember, we sat there and we were sitting around and I was like, you know what? This is fantastic. And you're like, what are you talking about? this is not fantastic. And I was like, yes, it is. It's like, look at the fire. Look at the topography. You know, the fire is sweeping down this entire part of the coast, or not the coast, but part of the country, the state, rather, and there's canyons running down either side with mountains. It's making a natural funnel for wildlife to escape the fire. There is going to be a corridor effect

where if we sit at the mouth in between these two giant peaks, all the animals fleeing from the fire are going to run right by us. And you might remember, Patrick, that very, first night as we went out with the thermal imaging binoculars, it looked like the African Serengeti. I mean, it was just thousands of wombats and wallabies and creatures as far as the eye could see. And it was just unbelievable. And we were like, holy shit, we are in the perfect place. If there is going to be a thylacine evacuating from the fire, it's undeniably going to come down this canyon where we are. And hopefully the fire isn't right behind it because it'll burn us to a crisp. But it was really cool. I mean, it actually, it's interesting how if you think

a little bit creatively outside the box, you can use things like natural disasters to manipulate results, or not results, but rather manipulate your search and help you when you would think, oh, shit, I just got to run away, which was awesome. So that brings me back to Mitch's back 12's question. Do you think that the Tasmanian tiger, if still alive, is in Tasmania, mainland Australia, or Papua New Guinea? I know the answer. Great question. You know the answer? Well, I know what you think. Yeah. Yeah. Get into that. I think. I think. I think. Get into that. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. That's fascinating. Totally. So 4,000 years ago, we know that there were thylacine all the way from PNG, Papua New Guinea, all the way down to Tasmania. With the introduction of man came, their canines, which are wild dogs named dingoes.

Now, the dingoes out-competed the thylacine. That, in addition to hunting pressure, is what led to the thylacines believed extinction. Now, stay with me, baby birds. Now, if you take into account the fact that dingoes, have a certain preferred habitat versus thylacine, which like very remote, very quiet forested habitat, and dingo's like more open savannalands and grasslands, you would think that with the checkerboard that is Australian habitat, there would be these pockets of area where the thylacine could remain. Now, the reason that the thylacine was around until the 40s, oh, geez, I'm blanking. In Tasmania. Yeah.

Yeah, in Tasmania was because of the fact that dingoes, never made it to Tasmania. Well, we know that hunters essentially wiped out the thylosine in Tasmania. I do believe that they could still be there. Now, stay with me. I do think there's a chance

that there's thylene in Tasmania. I don't believe there are any in mainland Australia anymore. I'm convinced that in Papua New Guinea, in the highlands, the same place that just three days ago they found singing dogs, which they presumed had been extinct

for 50 years in the wild. They found them in Papua New Guinea, if you look this up, by the way, fucking fantastic discovery. I believe in that same habitat could be thylosine. Papua New Guinea is the least explored most rugged, most difficult place on earth.

I mean, it is, it's just, it's hard to even fathom how hard it is to explore Papua New Guinea biologically and just from the standpoint of exploring on foot. And I think that is the place that harbors the thylene. Dude, that's so cool, man.

So a couple people have just asked about season three of Extincter, of Extincter Alive. Matt McHugh, Alex Dunn, we talked about Papua New Guinea as a definite episode, a thylacine episode there, if season three happens,

which right now is on hold, sort of indefinitely because of COVID. So we were greenlit. We will keep you up to date. But like many people's lives, things changed, and none of us are sick, so we have nothing to complain about.

We'll go to Papua New Guinea either way, whether it's for Extincter Alive or something else we do. For the wild time trip. Yeah, wild times trip. Let's do it next week. My guess would be, my guess would be Reteb would last 34 minutes total. Dude, you guys are hilarious. First of all, I could beat both of you in a fist fight, even at the same time. Second of all, I've been an adventure my entire fucking life just because it's documented with you guys and you guys, you know, you go out there and your world.

famous for it doesn't mean that all of us regular folk are us i'll consider myself a brosner can't fucking manage out you're not that special all right come on fuck no i actually everyone at the brosners would do better than you sorry yeah if pat if pat if pat can survive somewhere i can survive in that place and a place that's a hundred times worse because he's a meager little pussy here's the problem they don't serve deep dish pizza in the jungle i don't know when the last time i have had deep dish pizzas, mate. You know that an adventure to, going to Taco Bell at 3 a.m. wasted is not considered an adventure.

Taco Bell was mentioned. Oh, yeah. Forrest, you sent me a great one today. It was, uh, it was, uh, it was a, baby food. Shut up. I had to take a drink. It was a picture of baby food that was flavored like my favorite Taco Bell item, which is the five layer, uh, beefy burrito, beefy cheesy burrito, whatever the fuck it's

called. And I mean, you want to get your kids started early on Taco Bell flavors is all I'm saying, because it's a very cheap source of food. One of my favorite Brosner's just commented. If anyone is going to find the thylacines, it'll be Forrest. It was Ryan Hardy, and he sent me a message on Instagram, and his name is Tan, Ryan Hardy, and I went to his profile and just says, I am Ryan. I am Tan. I love the brosters, dude. That's the kind of people. I want listening to this show. Yeah, you guys, Ryan, keep tanning. Peter, how do you feel about the fact that you're not currently tanning?

It's rough. There's no sun. And even though, you know, when it's normally cloudy, you can still get tan through the clouds, but not through the smoke. The smoke completely blocks the sun. And also, I can't take my shirt off because I've gained 25 pounds and look like a potato. Fuck off. I thought you were on a big workout, like, fitness thing.

What? You were looking good. You were tank-topping it? like three episodes ago. Tank top of that. Yeah. Dude, you were going sleeves option.

I've gotten myself into a relationship. You know what happens. Put on the comfort weight already. I got to kick it back into gear. That's smart. You know, start early with that. You really want to show her how repulsive you are right off the bat. Well, if we do go to,

smart. Yeah. Well, no, I mean, you spend the first maybe six to six to seven weeks being real cool and fit, pretending you work out. And then you can just fucking let it go. I mean, how long does it take to get, to get yourself sold in a relationship?

Browsner's way in. I don't know, but I do want to tell you this. Kathy Church just pointed something out that I think's pretty significant for you, Peter, which is that tan fat equals skinny, and everyone knows that. Dude. Yeah, fuck working out. Just get tan. Dude, it's so true.

I was, I, maybe 10 years ago was going for like a beach vacation. And it was like, it came at a time where I was like, working really hard, like not working out. Like, it was the worst. It was like the grossest I've ever looked. I actually got a spray tan. Wait, you've looked closer than what you look like right now? It would be like if I went to the beach now, yeah.

And so I got a spray tan and literally I looked at myself in the mirror. It was way too dark. Like it was people probably were like, cool spray tan, bro. I was in Adonis instantly. You know what? Tan takes 25. pounds of fat off the body. I love that you got a spray tan.

That's like not, didn't go to a tanning bed or lay outside on your very nice deck. You got a spray tan. Does a spray tan actually protect the skin like a normal tan would or at least to some degree or is it just nonsense to make you look better? It's probably chemical that causes, it's probably pure carcinogen they spray on you. We have a question I want to get in and then I'm going to let you go. But just I'm going to let you go on with your bullshit. but Daniel wants to know if the producer ever blinks.

No, he doesn't. I've never. He's like a robot. Yeah, yeah. He has to try. So when you tell him to, he'll close his eyes. But you'll notice they don't even close at the same time. It's like he tries to, yeah, he's a weird fuck.

Thanks, Daniel. After I read all your questions last week. So this came across my desk and I found that fascinating. That's a drink. That's a drink. Cheers. It is. God.

I love that you don't even know. I forgot that that was a rule. All right. So, good rule. Back in the day, and producer will didn't put a exact date, but it apparently lasted well into the 19th century. So well into the 1800s.

In India, people used to get sentenced, a common death sentence involved elephants. They would use elephants publicly to create these lavish deaths. so they would either tie ropes to people's hands and feet and then tie them to the elephants and have the elephants walk apart and tear the limbs off. Or they would have the elephants trample them or sometimes, sometimes. They would have the elephant place its foot over the person's head and then step down and squish the head. I got one even better than that.

So, Will, maybe you can pull up an image of this if you can find it. when I was in Bangkok in Thailand, I went to a place called the Torture Museum, which is this very odd little museum in Bangkok. And it has left such an impression on me because one of the main things there was the ways they would torture people with animals. And there was all kinds of crazy stuff. But the one that really stood out in my mind was done with an elephant. And what it was was they'd take a prisoner and they'd put him in this little bamboo ball that was woven. You know how bamboo bends when you kind of split it down the middle, it gets that very flexible. That's why they make mats out of it.

They make this bamboo ball and they put the victim, the person they were trying to get information into the bamboo ball. And then they drive a bunch of nails and spikes into the bamboo. So imagine a human hamster ball covered with nails poking in on the inside. Then they'd roll it out into a field and let the elephants play soccer with it. And the elephants would just kick it around like a game while you're inside getting twisted and turned around in this torture hamster wheel in full you had enough and would give the information.

The question, are there other animals that torture that torture other living creatures? I seriously hate humans. Like, it's ridiculous. So that's a crazy, so Forrest and I produced a show together that was just absolute trash. Is that the torture ball? There it is.

We'll pull it up full screen. Oh, it's brutes. So what do we got here? So for us, this is, the human is inside this torture ball? Yeah, well, can you make that any bigger by trans? Can you click that that sucker? Get it erect. Get it wrecked.

Yeah. But it, yeah. So that's the ball. You see kind of the bamboo weaving, right? And the person is inside of that. And all the nails are then spiking in. And like I said, they taught these elephants to legit play soccer. So the elephants wouldn't crush it.

They would just pass it around getting, Yeah, I thought it was so... I mean, so, yeah, I'm definitely curious to hear about this, Pat. Yeah, so we did the show, and it was all about sort of famous instances where there were mass attacks on humans by animals. And there were two, we didn't end up even getting to one of these episodes, but there were two different stories from World War II where Japanese ship captains, Navy captains, they had taken hostages or prisoners. or whatever from one of the allied countries. And they would chum the water. There's two different times.

Two different guys did it. Chum the water. Get a big shitload of pelagic sharks in. Forest, I think, speculated they might have been oceanic white tips. Get a bunch of sharks in a crazy frenzy. And then push as many as like 65 or 70 people overboard. Oh, my God. They would all get just attacked by sharks.

That's. And they're famous incidents that are documented. Yeah. That's wild. It's pretty nuts given like, you know, it's funny because one of the things that Patrick and I strive to do when we make TV is like break down the shitty misconception that these animals are all mindless killing machines, right? And then you hear a story like this where a whole group of people would just chum the waters, get people get the sharks going nuts, and then drive humans in to get them eaten by sharks as a method of torture, which is just, I don't know, it's bonkers. It's like, I swear they're not bad animals, but it's people that make them bad, right? Somebody in here said that whales torture seals. Is that true? There is an element of truth to that. It's kind of the way, you know, you'd say a kid. cat tortures a mouse.

They're not really doing it for the sake of torture, but the cat is playing with its food. Oh, Killer whales. Yeah, Blake, yeah, Blake, yeah, Blake Harwell. Yeah, so, oh, sorry, go ahead for us. No, it's the same thing. Killer whales will play with their prey as a means of advancing social convention and understanding and just play, just the way your cat does with a mouse. So, yeah, pretty much.

Other animals do something. Okay, so they like, so while most of the listeners are just making fun of Broussner's are making fun of us. Cole Riley actually asks a wildlife-related question for us. He wants to know. So he said, I love the wildlife in California. It's spent a lot of time in the wilderness. So he's used to all sorts of different flora and fauna.

And he said a few weeks ago, he had a dough with a fawn cross in front of him. And the dough charged at him. Oh, interesting. Sorry, I'm assuming Cole is a male. I'm not sure. But yeah, what do you think about that? Is that shocking? Is that something that...

What do you think? I would say it's a little bit shocking. I mean, maternal instincts are always strong. They're not always strong. Maternal instincts will always take place when presented that opportunity, right? I recall one time where I was working up here in the foothills of Santa Barbara,

and I found a very young fawn that was stuck on the wrong side of a fence. And it was so young, I mean, it was up and walking, but it could barely run or hop, and it was trying to jump through this fence. and it couldn't. Its mother was somehow on the other side of this, this crappy wire fence. So I went over and I caught the fawn and I went to pick it up. And as I went to pick it up and

drop it over the fence, the mother came running at me at full speed and just bounced off this fence. And I felt really sad for her because I obviously didn't want the mom to get hurt. I was just trying to return the baby to the mom. You should have known by the broologist. There was no other option guy. All right. You don't, you don't, you don't leave the phone. You have a death wish and no amygdala. That's correct. Regular people have other options. But anyway, back to the story, yes, the maternal instinct will take over.

If a mom feels her baby is in jeopardy, of course she's going to do something about it. That being said, Bucks will, and someone actually just wrote this as well, I see. Yeah, Bucks will absolutely attack hunters during the rut. So the male deer are definitely more aggressive. In fact, I don't know if Will, you can pull this up. There was a hilarious instance of this like Asian tourist taking this video of this massive elk with this huge rack. I want to say it was Yellowstone, but I have no idea where. That just came out like a day or two ago.

I think it was on bar stool outdoors. And this guy's like getting closer and closer. And this elk is just like, I've had enough and just puts its horns down and charges, right? This guy. And the guy like holds his ground looking through his phone like a complete dip shit and then turns and high tails it. And it's pretty funny. Hey, let me ask you this for us. So when you just described the elk charging the guy, it made me think about, you know,

know, we've both been around Bear a lot and, you know, you're supposed to stay on your ground, charged you. And it made me think about this time when I was in seventh grade. And this kid, Adam, I shouldn't say his last name, but he was like this really bad kid and he was really tough. And we were playing basketball outside. And I guess some of the other guys decided it would be funny because he would like punch people's faces in. Like they would go to the hospital. Like in seventh grade. Sounds like a nice guy. Yeah. And he, grabbed my shirt and was like, I've never liked you and cocked his fist back and was like, I'm going to fucking kill you.

And I just stood there frozen because I was like, there's nothing I can do. He was twice my size. He was a psychopath. And he let me go. He started laughing and let me go. And I just ran. And I ran back to my house. When I got back to my house, I was wearing white jean shorts.

And, uh, were they yellow by the time you were in utter fear. Yeah, yeah, they were yellow because I had peed into my jean shorts. a bit. It wasn't a full evacuation, but it was a decent amount. And so what, what is it that, what biological or evolutionary function does it do, does it, like, why do you piss or shit yourself in the face of fear? That can't be helpful. I thought you were going to ask this, like, very useful question about, like, flight or fight, like, why you froze, like, what should you have done? And instead, you're like, why, you know, why, why did I, why did I, why did I, Our dog has, at one time, it got really scared and it shit.

Yeah. And fear. I'm more concerned that you had white jorts on, though. That's the real. This was 93, bro. 1993. And what's funny is he was wearing the exact same chain he's wearing right now. Oh, God.

Same haircut, too. I don't know the answer to that. I mean, I think what it is is you're probably, you know, you're holding it in. And all of a sudden, you're no longer holding it in because you're like, I'm not focused on that at all. But I really don't know. If any of the brosters know the answer, why you evacuate your bowels under extreme fear, let us know.

Kathy Church actually says that's an adrenal gland response. It makes you lighter, it makes you lighter for your escape. Which makes perfect sense. I don't know if she's right, but it sounds fantastic. Lighter but stinkier. It does make perfect sense. That's actually pretty incredible if you think about it. I'm also getting a lot of shit now for the white jor.

Yeah, it's a lot. It's bananas. I mean, everybody wore jorts back then, but, but, but white ones? I mean, what? Nobody did even that. Did you, sorry, I don't want to make, my mom was made of money? They weren't always jorts, Peter.

At one point in time, they were pants and his family was poor, so, and he owns scissors. Why don't you just back off? Oh, boy, I'm sorry. Kathy Church says she has a degree in biology, so she says, yeah, that's legit. the adrenal gland vacates your your bowels and bladder so that you can escape faster. I mean, that's really cool. It also gives.

So the next time I'm being charged by a hippo or line, I'm going to consciously make the decision to just shit all over myself so that I can run slightly fast. And maybe a quick J.O. too. Let me ask you. It would help. It would help. If you were, if you had somebody by the collar, right, as like a normal semi-decent human being and then they shit themselves, there's a minute chance.

Like there's definitely a better chance that I would let them go No matter what they had done to me because I would feel so bad You know, I'd be like, okay, yeah, that's enough So I mean, I think that might be I don't know, but it could be one of the reasons that we shit ourselves Here's another technique If someone's about to beat your ass and they have you by the collar And you can shit yourself

Yep And then as you see them catch a whiff You look into their eyes and go you can beat me as bad as you want, but one thing I know is some of this shit is going in your nose. It would definitely work, man.

There's no doubt about it. That's the exact tactic that we took on getting DNA for the Rio Apoporos Cayman with the Anaconda and the Amazon, by the way. Somebody just posted about the Python

that laid seven eggs and had no contact with a mate. Do you hear about that? that one for us? I did not. What is that reproduction called? Because some reptiles asexual, asexual reproduction? No, no. Well, it is asexual reproduction, but the process in which the cell split without copulation is called parthenogenesis.

What happened? Right. You right, Peter? Well, right. So Redneck Zeus just asked if we heard, it just says the python laid seven eggs without meeting a mate. And pythons aren't, they don't do that. I want you to verify the science, right? It is parthenogenesis. That's a I'm checking you. Listen, Carthano, Jones, I'll remember for the next pod. All right.

So, well, Forrest, you're a herp. Has herpes? Is that what you mean? Sorry, going on. There was a 62-year-old female ball python in the St. Louis Zoo. Okay. Laid seven eggs. Okay.

And had no contact with a male. Ever? I find that hard to blow. So there's a color for an option. Sorry, sorry. She could have. Uh, she could have had, it says she could have had contact with a male in 1990. Yeah.

So it's, that is likely sperm retention, right? That's not the same as parthenogenesis. So there are animals in the world that are able to reproduce completely asexually. They need no contact with the other sex. In fact, their, their sex is in question itself if they're a parthenogenic creature, right? So they, their cells divide. Um, they, they can create offspring. They're basically making clones of themselves.

There's quite a lot of lizard species that do this. That is not the case in ball pythons, at least not as far as we know. What is the case is that those animals have the ability to retain sperm within their system. The same as fern, the tortoise that we call it in the Glock goes. Right. She, you know, likely has encountered a male mate at some point in her life. Those animals are able to store that sperm within their body for up to 20 years sometimes. And the reason being that if they're under environmental stress or they're under a condition

in which they do not have enough biological energy to create offspring because they need that energy for fat storage, for water collection, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, they're not going to put that energy into reproduction. So what I'm guessing happened with this ball python is it made it with a male at some point in time. Now, just like everything in life, there's anomalies, right? It held onto the sperm way longer. We're talking about, what, 60, 70 years? What do we say? 70-year-old python. I think somewhere, 70-year-old. Right, but she had had contact with a male, I guess 15 years before the eggs. 15 years ago, it's not even that long, right?

So, I mean, that's a long time. Like, we couldn't do it, right? Like, thank God, because you're not finding out girlfriends from 15, from middle school or a pump-in-out kids right now that are yours. Well, that's interesting because there's a very famous story, and this was all real. This is legit because it was a very big public lawsuit that happened. There was a famous tennis player in the 90s named Boris Becker. You guys remember him?

Oh, yeah, I remember Boris Becker. Forrest, you kind of look like Boris Becker. I've heard that before. Okay. Will say you pull up a picture of Boris Becker. Let's get this going here. Do you kind of look like both handsome men? So look, Boris Becker was really famous, right?

He was huge. He was in England and he went to a nightclub and made the decision to go into the bathroom stall with a female model, a British model, who proceeded to perform fallatio. on him. He finished. She then, that's old Boris Becker. Young Goros Becker.

Yeah, come on, Will. That's fucked up. Nah, no, it looks just like you. Even in the old version. Give me handsome 90s barrens. So he finishes up. He leaves the stall. Yeah, he's fallaciated.

He leaves the stall. And she had some of his sperm in her mouth, and she took it and inserted it into herself manually with her fingers. Oh, God. What? Got pregnant. No way. This is a true story? Not only true, you can find articles about it. I've read about it because someone told me this, and I was like, that's bullshit. She admitted all this. And so it was actually a landmark

court case in England because they were trying to figure out the legality because she admitted that this is how the child was conceived, whether or not paternity was a, whether or not paternity was established because she obviously wanted child support and he was extremely rich. Right. So, you know, reptiles aren't the only animals that can retain sperm. Right. You just got to keep it

in your mouth. So for all of our female grocer, just, you know, just hang on to it into your mouth and yeah, yeah. The odds of that working are fucking infinitesimal. I mean, she probably didn't even think it was going to work. She was probably

just hammered and coked to the gills and like, oh, okay, This would be fun. There's no way she just tried that without the assumption it was going to work. She wasn't just like, I'm just going to give this a whirl. We're talking about it. All the time.

Ladies, way in. I mean, everybody's sticking sperm up their butts and chacholas. Jeez. All right. This is getting off track. All right. I got something that came across my decks that I really, that I really like. Are we drinking because he said came across my desk or because he botched the word desk and said decks?

Did I say decks? Take two. Cross your Vicks. Whatever. Oh, yeah. What he got? All right. So what do you got, boy?

Oh, yeah. It was recently Steve Irwin's birthday. Did you guys know that? It was about probably a week ago now. Yeah. Big hero of mine. Everybody knows that. I mean, he's a credible man brought wildlife into the homes of millions and carrying an understanding.

So when I heard about this, it made me love him even more. No, bro, no. So into that. No, yeah, no. I mean, whatever. I've got a broner for the guy. What of it? Yeah.

Brunner. In 2003, Steve Irwin was filming in Baja, which I love. I go to Baja all the time, and he was doing work with sea lions. In the middle of a shoot, in the middle of his day, and I love this because it's totally the same kind of thing we would do if this ever happened. Middle of his shoot day, they got word that there were two scuba divers missing in the area, right? So they abandoned the shoot.

They grabbed, they jumped in their boats and they started patrolling up and down the coast, looking for these missing divers. Well, sure enough, like three or four hours in, they actually found the kayak flipped over and up on the rocks was this one of the divers. And they rescued him and it was like, you know, it was big, big to do and they were super stoked. Sadly, the other diver was deceased and they found his body later. But how cool is it that Steve Orrin was like, nope, you know, got I might, why don't you cut the cameras? We're going to go find these blokes and just, you know, just packed up and cruised around and saved one of the two divers who,

I've been in Baja a lot. It is brutally hot. I mean, with no fresh water down there, you are definitely going to pass away. So in my mind, no matter how you cut it, Steve Irwin saved the life of one of those guys, which is pretty incredible. Do you not think the Kardashians would have done the same if they were running their show? Oh, no, I know they would have. They're good people. Steve Irwin is a notoriously like good dude, though, isn't he? I mean, he's known for being one of the nicest guys in the industry, basically. Of course. Yeah. You know he's dead, right, Peter? No, I understand that. I'm just saying you should, uh, strive to be a little bit more like them because you're a jerk.

So there is a thing we were doing, when we were filming season three of Whale Wars, an SOS beacon went off on a sailing yacht with three Norwegian adventurers who were trying to recreate some Antarctic expedition. And so they went in a steel-hauled sailing yacht to Antarctica. Their emergency beacon went off. It went to New Zealand's search and rescue. And the boat, the ship, the whale warship called the Steve Irwin, because he donated the ship to the sea shepherds, was the closest ship. So there was actually, obviously there was, I don't think much of a moral decision.

You're in the middle of Antarctica. You just, you go and you try and find them. What else are you going to do? Isn't that like maritime law? Like you have to basically do that. It was also a legal, it's a legal obligation. Right. If you are the closest vessel to a distressed vessel, you have to go and search.

So I was not on the ship, obviously, but they did go. They found the empty life raft flip upside down. It was the best episode we ever did because it was this heart-wrenching, beautiful story. But, you know, it's, I believe there is some maritime law involved with that, too. I'm not saying, Steve, they wouldn't have done it anyway. Of course they would. Right. Yeah.

I mean, I think human, it's funny because we were just talking about how humans torture, like torture other humans and shit. but at the same time you have this capacity for this empathy of going above and beyond and essentially making a bunch of fucking work for yourself to go out and help others too you know I talk about how I hate humans but you know we have both ends of the of the spectrum going on at least if forrest here's here's one of the one of the brosvenors uh sorry to interrupt you there but but I'm actually curious so Harry Starling asks forest what is the craziest animal that lives in the UK. Oh my God. And we've never filmed it up. We've never filmed together in mainland Europe.

So I'm actually curious. I don't, it's not known for its wildlife. So believe it or not, there are some awesome creatures in the United Kingdom. One of my favorites that I've had the luxury of catching a couple times, literally in places you wouldn't expect, like downtown London, are, they're small venomous vipers there. But hands down, in my opinion, the coolest animal in the United Kingdom, an animal that I am desperate to work with, desperate to see, I mean, near the top of my bucket list is the basking shark. And so if you look, Will, can you pull up a picture of a basking shark in the, in the UK, in Scotland in particular? And Will, he's saying basking, not basking. It's with an A, not EQ. Oh, God, that finger.

That was not the point of that. But yeah. But anyway, look, off the coast of Scotland every year, the basking sharks show up. They congregate to feed on plankton there. They're huge, you know, second largest shark in the world after the whale shark. Incredible filter feeders. And it's one of the only places on Earth that they're predictable that you can go and see them. I mean, look at that animal. Holy crap. It's one of the coolest creatures on Earth.

So that's the basking shark that will just pull it up there on the bottom. Look at that mouth. That thing is fucking wild. It's incredible. I mean, I think it's one of the coolest animals on the planet. And the UK is one of the only places that they're super predictable. So to Harry Starling, if you get a chance, if you want to. to do something remarkable. Something I've never done that's top of my bucket list. Go up to Scotland,

go and snorkel with a basking shark. I mean, look at it. Look at it. How are these things, how do these basking sharks behave? I mean, their mouth just, you said they're like filter feeders. So is that all they eat is just plankton. They're obviously not. Yep. Yeah. So, yeah, their mouth just literally looks like a fucking big air filter. It's fucking wild. They swim through the water with their mouths open like that, you know, propelling themselves with their tail. And then they're filtering water through their gill rakers. and collecting plankton. I mean, they're basically, you know,

it's like the hybrid of a whale and a shark, all the plankton eating sharks. And Cameron, Cameron Rogers just aptly pointed out that that's what Peter looks like at Taco Bell. By the way, thank you, Cameron. I was thinking the exact same thing. When I walk into Taco Bell, I hop over the counter and just engage that mode of my mouth.

You know, because at Taco Bell, all the items, it doesn't matter what configuration. You got beef, you got cheese, tortilla, and lettuce. Who cares what order they're in, dude? Just suck it in, dude. Let it go right for them. Because you keep going there and ordering different things. I don't care what order they're in.

No, no. By the way, I got to plug our sponsor Taco Bell. They got a great new deal. $10 box. You can get four burritos and four hard tacos for $10. They're not a sponsor. Shut up. Why are you doing this?

So two days ago, right, I think I told you guys, I was coming out of the bush in Oregon, hitting the road. and my phone starts blowing up, right? This is a true story. It's actually, I'm pretty proud of it. My phone starts blowing up, right? Ping, ping, ping. And I'm like, what the fuck's going on?

And I start getting all of these Instagram messages about a tiger that's escaped. Have you guys seen this? No. No. Not yet. Knoxville, Tennessee. Someone has spotted, not someone, multiple people have spotted a wild tiger roaming around Knoxville, rural Knoxville, Tennessee.

That's crazy. You know, it's likely to escape from a Joe Exotic kind of thing. Right. This is where the story gets more fun. So I start getting all these messages. I'm like, yeah, cool, God, it saw it, whatever, ignoring them, deleting them, whatever. And then sure enough, guess who calls me? But not calls me, messages me.

Wildlife Control from Tennessee says, hey, Forrest Galante, do you have any insight on tracking tigers in the United States? I was like, this is so cool. I was like, how many people suggested that I be the guy that go and get the tiger in Knoxville? That's amazing. enough that wildlife control reached out. And I literally wrote back, I'm like, look, I mean, I can help you track tigers, but I've certainly never looked for one in Tennessee before. And they're like, you know, I sent them some resources and some links, but I could not believe

that enough people, enough of you Brosner's or fans or whomever told the Knoxville Wildlife Control or Police Department to reach out to me that they actually sent me a message on, through my website, they sent me an email asking how to track a tiger. in Knoxville and I was like this is super cool um by the way did you because so I was just sort of fantasizing about just us going to try and trap this tiger what would you do but I mean obviously you'd leave out me what the fuck do you do to find a tiger that's in our meat tree dude like in urban area yeah yeah I mean build a meat building you know I don't know um I think that I do I think that we could track it? Yes, absolutely. I think that you'd bait it the way that they used to bait tigers.

I think you could use tiger calls. This is likely a lonely animal. I'm sure there's not a bunch of them running around. I think that some of our thermal technology could be very effective. And yeah, and I think, you know, do I think that we can find it? Totally. The information on the tiger is spotty, right? It's basically the fact that a handful of people have spotted it and nothing else. one of these things happened once before and to the guy's credit in India he's a freaking genius you guys know what I'm talking about

I think it was a guy in India who had like a German shepherd and he painted it like a tiger and it was running around the streets of like Bangladesh and I mean it's like Will can you find this please the German shepherd or whatever big dog painted like a tiger in India

and it's it's phenomenal I mean this this dog is running around like terrifying people in like Bangladesh and then someone catches it and they're like, oh, it's a guy's German Shepherd. Well, Bangladesh actually... Bangladesh actually has tigers, though, right? Like, or...

I actually don't know if it was India. I don't remember where it was, but I just remember it was just insanely hilarious. Either way, I mean, that's a nightmare. Imagine you see... But like a German Shepherd, I feel like looks so much different. He must have done a real good paint job on that thing. If Will finds it, your mind will be blown.

Pat, do you think you could, you can mark up your little pup, your little German Shepherd that way. Oh my God. Look at that. That's ridiculous. It looks like a fucking kangaroo tiger. Clearly a thylosine sighting right there. Dude, that looks like some type of undiscovered animal more than a tiger.

What a loon. What a loon for doing that. By the way, the effort that went into those stripes, I mean, those stripes are legit, those are like legit tiger stripes. but it's face just like so much not like a cat that anybody that thought that was a real tiger. I like this question from Scott Padway. Oh, Bacon.

No way. Scott Padway is an old rugby buddy from UC Santa Barbara. What's up, Bacon? Bacon. Welcome. Yeah. Why do you call him bacon? You'll have to ask him to share that story.

Scott is going to because he's a fucking pig. Sorry. By the way, this would be hilarious if this wasn't the same. Scott Padway, if this was a different one. But he says, since you're talking cats, Forrest, you've been on Naked and Afraid. He showed off that Tiny Hogan of yours. Ooh.

Yeah. He's Hogan. So he says, if you and some bros got dropped off in the Serengetty, naked and afraid style, how long before you get eaten? I know nothing of the Serengetty. I've never been there. Is this like a fucking lion? That's where all the lions hang out, right?

If us three were dropped into the Serengeti during the migration, when all the lines are tracking the wildebeest and zebra, said zebra, not zebra. People, just finish whatever drink you have, everyone listening. He said zebra, that's the holy grail. Rule number 12. Damn it, I walked myself into that corner. Out of space, zebras. We would not last long.

Look, I'll be honest. I like to think that of everybody I know I'm pretty skilled. in surviving in these wilderness. And here's a thing. Let's back up and talk big picture for a second. You watch Naked Afraid, right? Some guys who I won't name, they thump their chest and they go out there and they're like, I'm going to conquer nature. I'm the toughest. I'm the best. You're fucking nothing, guy. Listen, if you think you're going to con- I'm calling you out right here, guys whose name I won't say who I know. I'm calling you out because you cannot conquer nature. Who do you think it is? Nature will conquer you. And if you think that because you've been on Naked Afraid or some survival, show in some semi-controlled environment and there's lions outside of a fence somewhere that you're

tough as shit, you're not. Okay. Because when you go walking in the bush in Africa, if you don't make every single step correctly, and quite simply put, if you don't have a firearm on you, you are going to be killed. Like there's no if-ans or butts about this. Like you, you know, unless, and that's why you see African, you know, African in tribes, right? They hang out in big groups. They don't go walking by themselves. It's because you will absolutely be killed. And there's, you know, and there's a lot of, you know, no question about that. Now, I'm not saying that is, you know, if you go walking through Cape Town and South Africa, obviously that's not accurate. But if you go walking through the bush where there are high densities of predators in Southern Africa, unlike anywhere else in the

world, you will not make it. Yeah. Hey, so when you did naked and afraid for us, were there any fences or boundaries up? There were boundaries put up by the producers. So there were no fences. There was nothing like that. Panama is not dangerous like Africa, right? So I know I know that they do it in Africa, they must do it in a place with no big predators. I know producers on the show, and they do. There's a perimeter. And so it really pissed me off when I saw,

by the way, I'm probably going to get sued here, but, you know, they portray it as if lions are out there at night, roaring 30 feet away from the people. I'm like, no one believe, like, you can't believe that that's true. They're outside the fucking perimeter.

Yeah, I mean, and dude, you'd be dead in minutes, right? For 100%. And I've watched some of those like all-star shows and stuff where they're in Africa and they're like, there's lions right around the corner. I can hear them roaring. Yeah, you can hear them roaring at the game park next to where you're, you know, hanging out with the 13-foot electrical fence. But there are no big predators. They just simply wouldn't allow that.

They just won't do that. Like there's absolute, you know, like no, Patrick, you're a producer. You're going to let you're going to let a bunch of nitwits from America camp in the African bush where there's actually lions? Well, the thing is I don't like jail very much. I spent one night there when I was in high school and I hated it. So no. But yes, so when I was on, sorry, when I was on naked and afraid, they put up like nonphysical barriers, but they're like, look, you can only go five miles in that direction and five

miles in that direction because otherwise, you know, you're basically going to self-rescue. Like you'll find a road or a village or something and then the show's over. So they'd kind of like, you know, the camera guys and stuff would be like, hey, it's probably good time to turn around. I'd be like, hey, it's probably not. Right. So they kind of keep you in an area, but like you found the jungle potatoes too. So they're also, they also want you to fucking not find a good source of food and not escape.

And I could be eaten by cats. Well, they just, they just know that. Did you eat? I mean, because you gained what, 70, 80 pounds? Yep, 7080. That's the right number. I'm fascinated. You gained 40 pounds in Taco Bell weight before you went out there.

And then another 30 from just jungle potatoes. Yep. That's correct. 70. So, and that brings me to a... That brings me to a question. One of the Brosters wants to know, Forrest, why did you decide to dance at the beginning of your naked and afraid episode? What was that about?

Have you seen me dance? It's majestic. It is good. I'm glad they've lowered your tiny pecker. I was peacocking out there. I'm trying to make an impression, you know. With a tiny feather. Yeah, whatever, dude. I'm trying to keep the eyes up high, right?

You have the smallest Hogan out in the wild at that point. So you were trying to show off by dancing, I imagine. Did you dance in front of the woman? Have you not seen this? I can't find it. As one of the Browsoners pointed out, I can only find short clips on YouTube. I've never seen it for us. I've never seen an episode.

Will, here's what we're going to do. We're not going to play it here because it's like three minutes long. but we are going to post a link to me. So just so you guys know, I did the party boy dance. So the way naked and afraid, yeah, I didn't know you didn't know this, Peter. And for the brosters out there. So I did Naked Afraid a while ago long before we did Extincter Alive. It was a fun little foyer into survival television.

And what happens is on Naked Afraid, two people get put together for the first time ever. And it's super awkward. And they usually do like a weird high five or a butt out hug. And they're like, hi, I'm naked. And I'm like, all right. It's cold. I'm sorry, I'm so small. And I was like, you know what?

Fuck this noise. Like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to be out there all awkward. I'm just going to like break the ice straight off the bat. Like, let's get a good couple yucks in early, establish a good relationship. Well, that didn't happen. But what did happen is I came out of the gates swinging, literally swinging. And I just, you know, I jumped out of the boat, saw her walking down the beach. I was just like,

it's right up to her. And it was, yeah, I won't say it was embarrassing because I'm not embarrassed by it, but it was a power play. Yeah. I mean,

yeah. What was her response to just your, your tiny Brogan flopping around out there? She was mortified. She felt very awkward. Yeah, she felt very awkward. I got to see this. Is this on tape?

Like they edit it that way. Will's going to send it. Will's going to send it. You're going to watch it. It's like there's like a naked introduction. It's like super awkward. Look, I think it was hilarious. My Hogan is a normal enough size that I was able to pull it off.

You know, I was like the hippo's tail out there. I was just windmill in my way over to her. Nice. It was a hell of a move. Doing the hippo tail. I had a buddy. I used to live in this house with a bunch of stand-up comics. And one of them was just such a fucking naredewel.

He never was working, and he was like, dude, I, I got cast to be on that show next on MTV. They're going to give me 200 books. So I don't know if you remember this show. It was like a dating game show where people were on a bus. Graver did next. Oh, my God, I got to find that. So he's like third to go, my buddy. So we're all sitting down to watch his episode.

And they cut to his turn. They cut to his little sound bite. that he says on the bus, he goes, I'm going to show this girl, my ma'am meat. And then he just start, the bus doors open, the girl's standing there. And he takes one step and she goes, next. It was the fastest next in the history of the show. It was just fantastic. It was a great show.

Graber went on, so anybody that hasn't listened, we had my buddy, Alex Graber, who's a president of our fraternity in college. He's a real douche, but in the best, most lovable way. on the podcast and he goes on the show and he gets on the bus and he goes on a date with this chick and he makes it all the way to the end and and he's like you know do you want to go on another date with me or however it goes and she's like nope and so they cut to him at the end and he goes well you they ate a hot dog on the date that was the day it's going to like a hot dog cast and he goes well you missed out on the biggest hot dog of all and that's the end of the show that sounds like

him it really does pretty good it's good old Alex Graber. So, Retep, are we thinking moving forward starting soon? We're going to be doing the live podcast in addition to one regular podcast each week? Yeah. I mean, I'd love to do that. You guys are the ones that are tough to rain in. But I would absolutely, I would love to do that.

So if you guys are down, I'm down. Yeah, I mean, this is fun, man. Just hanging out with a handful of the Brosners, chatting it up. This is what we wanted to do is just make it a little, community and get to hang out with some people that like to talk about the same stupid shit and science that's important that we do it's good to hear i really like hearing from a lot of the people that comment that comment on instagram and now they're in the chat and i recognize the names so appreciate appreciate everybody coming over to youtube and doing the live chat because

this definitely makes the recording a lot more fun yeah it's a good time yeah yeah we should do we should do one of each i think moving forward and then obviously we've got We're going to have some huge announcements potentially in the next month. We're working on something quite major for us. We can't get too into it, but yeah, there's a lot happening. Yeah, buddy. Harry Starling lost track of time. It's 3 a.m. where he is.

We got a lot of fucking international. It's time to have another drink, Harry. Yeah, Harry. Pour it up. I got a full glass of fucking cabrona. Let's do a lot for the hell of it. Wait, Taco Bell, Taco Bell. Take two drinks.

Forrest, Christina was saying to me tonight, I was like, yeah, earlier, actually, I was saying Peter might come over to do the podcast here. And she goes, oh, great, so you're not going to wake up to like four or five tomorrow. I was like, what do you mean? She goes, he, he doesn't let anyone, like, if Peter comes over, you're not going to sleep. So Harry, 3 a.m., that's when Peter's waking up for the day most of the time. That's not true. That's the, that's the old Peter. I've only been over there once where that's happened. And by the way, I love how in relationships, it's always deflected to the friend. How did you twist her mind for her to think that I'm the fucking cause of you staying up till fucking five in the morning? As if it's not a joint effort.

I mean, you stay up. You texted me at like 4 a.m. the other night. mate forest has spent the night here 20 fucking times and i go to bed at three or four every time you come over i'm up till seven or eight you do stay up all night peter this is true this is not true it's nonsense i haven't done that in years i prefer to get out of any place i'm at before taco bow closes so i can hit it on the way home wait you know what i got to ask you a question peter sure um Brosner James, who's just been just hanging us over here, is asking a question that we talked about on our Saturday drink, not record session.

What's going on with the merch? Are we still making merch? Yeah, the merch. The merch is in the works. We've got, well, I sent you guys the design. We have some cool shit. The spirit animal designs. I sent you the blobfish.

We're working on the amygdala one. We had to redo that one. But everything, I know I promised or said this week, but next week now. But yeah, it's coming. It's coming and it's in the works. And I'm back and forth with a designer, sending the shit to these guys.

And we'll have it out for you soon. I gotta say, for all you brosners that are tuning into this, this has been really fun. Like when we started this and just, you know, here's a little behind the scenes. When we started this, it was just the three of us. We were sitting right here in my office. And we're just like, you know what?

We're just going to hang out and record some shit and just have a conversation. How long do we record for that first night, Peter? Seven hours that you had to whittle down to an hour? Yes. Seven hours. Three minutes, yes. Forty three minutes.

And it was just us hanging out. And we're like, you know what, let's just put it out. Like, it's just us having fun. Like, we're all buddies. We love hanging out. We love chatting. And we hope that, you guys will hang out with us, you, you brosners, and be a part of us.

And it's awesome. Like, we're 24 episodes in, 23 episodes in, whatever it is. And everybody's hanging out. 24 weeks. Yeah, I mean, this is amazing. I'm having so much fun with this. It's crazy. It's such a good thing to just hang out with you guys and all you brosners and get the questions and chat and see the engagement online. So yeah, thanks everybody. That's my thing. Yeah, for sure. I mean, the whole part of this that I didn't really comprehend would be so much fun is, is that interaction that we're getting like everywhere on Instagram here now. I love this live shit. And, uh,

I do think, I don't think that Pat's a great guy, the producer. He just gets up in the middle of a podcast and goes somewhere. It's kind of bananas. Let's look. What is at his house? He's got high ceilings, doesn't he? Well, it's old judge. There's nothing to make fun of there, which annoys me.

Oh. Look, he decided to come back. I'm sorry. So Elliot Miller just asked a pretty important question. Or he just says, give us cameraman myth. Elliot, you got it. We'll get Mitch on the pod. Yes.

And of discussion. Yep. That's it. Hey, by the way, everyone who's listening now in the live stream, throw us some ideas for the fucking battle royale. Hell yeah. Some ideas for battle royale. Forrest, here's an actual question I'm interested in coming from Daniel Kuhl. Forrest, do you publish your extinct animal findings and how does academia take it?

Like, I mean. Oh, it's a great question. That was from, sorry, who is that from? Daniel Cool. Big fan. What's up, Daniel? Yeah. What's up, Daniel? Yeah, so, and first we started to.

We wrote a paper on the civet that we found in Zanzibar, and then we began writing the paper on the leopard find. And we were going down, we were going down the route of publishing. But, you know, the thing is, for all of you people that are tuning into this, all you brosners that watch this, watch Extincter Live, there's way more impact just doing the show. And Patrick and I are so busy with producing the television. and the research and the effort that it goes into it, that we actually haven't continued to publish papers because really nothing comes of it.

You know, I like to explain to people that we are, we're the hired guns, right? We're the hide-and-seek champs that you call in to do the job and then we leave. I'm not the person that's going to manage the ongoing conservation of a species in Ecuador, in Colombia, in any of these countries, right? That's up to the local scientists who are fantastic people that just needed a little bit of help. and wear that little bit of help. So where the hide-and-seek champs,

where the mercenaries that come in and do the job and then bail and turn over all of the information that we have to the in-country scientists. And that's what we've done time and time again. We go in, we find everything, and then we actually turn that information over to the people that can manage the ongoing conservation of the species.

And some of them have published papers. So the Galapagos find papers have been published. The sharks that we found on the Shark Week show, two of the three have papers coming out before the end of this year. So a ton of a ton of, yeah, a ton of, a ton of papers are being published on the findings, just not by us. And because, you know, why would we? We're not, we are the scientists to find it, but we're not the ones going to manage the ongoing conservation.

We don't understand all the laws, traditions, and customs that all need to take place around, you know, around the species. So, yeah, there's answer. It's cool, though, because what you got, you guys, your guys' role, I feel like, from the layman, like me, is you bring attention to it to begin with. I mean, in an entertaining way, which is like, I would have never known about half the fucking animals or anything, like the Galapagos, you know, fern, for example, was a super, not only was it like super impactful in the science community, it was very entertaining to watch, you know what I mean? Well, and not just bring attention to it. And that's one thing that, you know, we never really show on the show that I think is so significant.

And one of the things I'm so proud of is we bring a ton of financing to it. You know, a lot of these places don't have the economical means by which to conduct the searches and surveys and findings that we're putting into it. So when we come in there, you know, we're able to finance these expeditions. We're able to bring people with us. We're able to have local scientists contribute or come with or hand over that research. So it allows us a vessel to bring finance dollars to conservation for animals that otherwise, not only is there no money, but they're otherwise believed to not even be there. So it's, you know, this is like a huge ordeal because, you know, Nobody else, you know, nobody else is doing this. Not the in-country scientists, not people from the

United States, not anybody, because why would they? These are animals deemed or believed to be extinct. They have no reason to go search for them. If you're a primate expert in Borneo, you're probably not going to be working on the presumed extinct Miller's Grizzled Langer. You're going to be working on orangutans, which are facing, you know, critic, they're reaching a point of critical collapse. So why not, you know, what we do is fun. Don't get me wrong, but we're throwing the Hail Mary every time to look for these animals. So yeah, you know, it's different. It's very outside the box. It's a different type of approach. And we never knew we were going to be successful eight times over, right, Patrick. I mean, we were like, yeah, maybe we'll find one one day if we're

lucky. And here we are eight times later. So, um, to me, it's the other thing is like I don't, you know, forest obviously is coming from a different background than I am, but, you know, trying to prove to the gatekeepers of information who are generally making sense. selfish decisions the way many humans do is not that interesting to me. It's like I'd rather, we filmed it, we put it out there, the people that are really, really in that academic world, you know, it's up to them to take the ball and move it forward. And really for me for us, it was after we were in Madagascar the first time with Harvard PhD Courtney Bergersen, who had been living in a remote village in Madagascar and taken photographs, witness,

described, spent seven or ten years, I can't remember, describing a new lemur species, and because she didn't have a vial of DNA, because she didn't have the means or, I think, capability of capturing one, and she couldn't get, she tried for years to get someone else out to witness this new lemur. She couldn't get an academic paper published, and this is a Harvard PhD, and nobody wanted to go there, Because it's so goddamn far. It's so brutal. You're going to shit yourself 17 fucking times. And she couldn't get anyone else to go.

And so this lemur species is still technically undescribed. Maybe, am I wrong about that for us? No, you, you more, yeah, no, that's correct. That's correct. In essence, it's all correct. And that's the thing is it's, there's a lot of barriers in science, especially in financing. And we're very fortunate to have the backing of, you know, discovery communications

to finance us to go and do this work and hand over the science. And it's in no situation has it been anything but a win-win for the species, you know, and us, of course. Yeah, yeah. That's weird when people, what? Sorry, go ahead. Someone posted a great battle royale. Oh, well, I mean, let's get into it.

Are you guys ready to do the battle royale? Or are you guys any more new? This is pretty good. It's pretty specific, but I feel like we'll laugh a lot if we do this one. Let's hear it. Forrest What time is it? Battle Royale.

Wow, yeah. Roel! All right, I just, a bunch of people posted really good ones. I like this one from our friend in Great Britain who said, pick two celebrities to fight till death. But that's not the one that made me laugh as much. Harry Starling says, have a bird battle.

Three birds. Everyone picks three birds that have to fight the other person's three birds. It's a bird battle. I think it's pretty funny. I think we should do it. Bird battle. Snake draft, I think, right?

Sure. Makes sense. Now here's what do we want to do for us, I'm going to let you decide this. Do we go with extant species or bird species that have ever lived? Let's just go with common. Birds.

Okay. Living birds. Okay. Peter goes pigeon, chicken, and other chicken. All right. Snake draft, the battle really hell. Bird battle. I'm going to go first since I picked it, and because there's an obvious way to win.

I'm going to take the motherfucking cassowary. I knew you were going to take the cassowary. You piece of shit. That's why you wanted to go first. I'm a bad person. You are. I'm a terrible person. Speaking of snake drafts, you're a snake.

Okay. So I'm going to take the cassowary. We had a run-in with a cassowary in Australia. Peter, you're breathing into the microphone awfully low. I did not the purpose. I was making a snake noise, you fucking snake gun. Sorry, go ahead. The casseroys a terrifying bird.

Forest. Give us a little info on the casuary. Yeah, so the cassowary is an ancient-ish species of bird. It occurs in Australian Papua New Guinea. They have an incredible hard helmet that goes over the top of their head. but what they're most notable for is they're really the only bird that is known to like violently attack and disembowl people using their giant talons on their legs. Imagine a smaller ostrich.

It's blue. It's got some red in it. It's black. Super aggressive, especially if they have, especially if they have babies. How about those feet, baby? How about those feet?

Yeah, there you go. Oh, those feet. Those are human-sized feet. Producer Will just brought up a picture of them. Much bigger than humans as feet. Much bigger. That's a nightmare. Those claws, those talents.

You see the big helmet on him? They occasionally will kill a human, right? Yeah. Yeah, no, there's been a couple reported accounts. In fact, the last one, I believe, was in Florida of all places. I think it might have been at the place Chris Gillette works. I'm not positive on that, though. Holy shit.

Sure. And, yeah, an older keeper was going in with his cassowary, and sure enough, it gutted him. Got it. Damn, mate. All right, well, that's my first pick for us. You're right in the middle. We'll put you next to give Peter more time to do research because he doesn't know about birds at all. I mean, you picked a cassowary, mate, you know. We talked about it several times on the podcast. You've encountered one in the wild. Listen, I have many problems with your fucking pick, but I'm going to wait till my turn this time to make fun of that picks. Okay. Forrest, what kind of bird are you going to go with? I'm going to go with Golden Eagle.

You know, it's, it might be kind of generic, but the Golden Eagle is unbelievable. You know, they have up to eight foot wingspan, the ability to hunt coyotes and deer, huge talents, massive amount of force. As far as an aerial salt goes, I'll take Golden Eagle over a Harpy Eagle, you know, pretty much over a Sea Eagle, over any of the other big Eagles. I think the golden eagle has the ferociousness and velocity to take on any of the other big eagles. So yeah, going to start with golden eagle. So that's going to bomb down from the sky and just kill my caswary with one peck.

Not peck. It's going to go talons to the throat. I mean, these things, there are videos of golden eagles literally picking up coyotes. I mean, they are amazing predators. And they've got these huge, you know, knives for talons on the end of their feet. So that's that's going to dive bomb. It's going to go for that cassoire. Going to go straight for the throat.

Just a real, real monster. All right, Peter. What's you got? Well, I mean, since your bird, Pat, well, not able to. God damn, look at that golden eagle. Yeah. I mean, already, you, your, your pick is ridiculous

because you're fighting other birds and other birds fly, and you picked a bird that does not fly. so, I mean, your stupid fucking Cassaway will not be able to do anything, first of all, against his Golden Eagle that will just be storming from above, destroying the shit out of your Cassoway. Cassowary. Cassowary, I'm tipsy. That said, I'm going to pick an animal that is a common bird that everybody knows

is a vicious fucking, the talons on this thing are fucking just. fierce and it flies, which is fantastic. I'm going to go with just a common hawk, a red-tailed hawk that will come from above. They're large. Why? They can be trained. You know? Because it can be trained and it's large.

It'll be killed in a second. By your Cassaway, what's it going to do, jump when my fucking bird just keeps attacking from above? Do you know how America won World War II? Can we address that for a moment? How the L.A. is won World War II, Pat? it was with airplanes because we attacked from the sky. Your cassowary will be destroyed. That said, I would like to have some ground troops on my team.

I get a second pick, right? Is this how the SWEWF works? Yes, you finally learned it. I will be picking a common ostrich for the ground assault. Oh, you sum bitch. That's right. So I will have one coming from above. One on the ground, it's, I mean, I've given you a strategy, Pat.

You're obviously going to pick a flying bird. I know you were going to try and pick another ground bird because you're an idiot. That's my team. Right now, those are my picks. Good picks. Thanks. For us, any thoughts on what Peter just did to us? Yeah, I mean, I don't think his redtail hawk is bringing anything to the table.

I really don't. It's just, it's the Patrick DeLuca of Hawks. It's meager. It's, I mean, you know, whatever. It's cool. Red tails are dope. I don't think they're adding a lot to the fight. but that's good.

Sure. That's good. All right. What's your second pick for us? The ostrich, however, is a little scary. They're very big. Fremittal. Definitely what my second pick was going to be. But, you know, I'm going for a three-fold approach.

So I've got my aggression with the Golden Eagle. Now I'm going to go for something that I always think is important. The reason that I am good at rugby, I'm going for speed. I'm going with the Peregrine Falcon. 200 miles per hour is the speed at which the Peregrine Falcon can dive. You tell me who's slow in that. down. That's crazy.

Is that the fastest diving bird? I believe so. I'd have to double check. I'm sure some of our Broussners will Google it and weigh in. I'm pretty clear. All right. So what do you have? You have a Peregrine Falcon and a...

Golden Eagle. All right. So I've got a caswar. It's terrifying. It's a real shit show. I mean, good luck dealing with that in the ground fight. The next thing I'm going to do is I'm going to bring a tactic because I'm smart. And my team is going to be the smart team.

I'm going to have, not a large bird, I'm going to bring a cuckoo. Oh, interesting. So what it's going to do? What sound does a cuckoo make? Cuckoo. Exactly. You nailed it. So they're trying to fight.

These birds are its mayhem. Flying, kicks, packs. All this is happening. And in the distance, you hear something going, cuckoo, cuckoo. And everyone goes, what? Castewery. kick to the head. So my cuckoo is going to be my distraction technique.

And then I'm going to take a page out of the Brosner's book here because just a lot of them want me to pick this bird. And I've Googled it. And it's probably the most terrifying looking creature on Earth. The Andean Condor. Oh, yeah. They're amazing creatures. Forrest, you familiar with this creature?

I am. It is, it looks like a fucking pterodactyl its head is just ridiculous looking. There is a picture of an Andean Condor attacking a bull in a bull fighting ring, and the bull looks... That's cool. Just like it's not happy about it. That's my squad.

That's my squad. Andy and Condor is a real power play. I mean, that is a huge bird. You know, they're not super aggressive, but you're talking about a trained condor, and yeah, you're winning some fights. All right, Forrest, what's going to round out your squad? Look at that picture.

That's an Andean condor attacking a bull. It's like the size of the bull. That's what you're going to look like with your bird attack. That's pretty impressive. That's a good pick. All right. So I've got my golden eagle aggression from the sky. I've got my Peregrine Falcon speed.

It's basically a flying bullet. Finally, to round out my team, you guys aren't going to see this coming. Similar strategy to what you took, Patrick. I'm going to get a gorgeous. minor bird. What? Oh, yeah. Sounds like a size of a hummingbird?

A minor bird? No, it's a small bird. Okay. It's a small bird. And I'll tell you why. Why? Yeah. Because minor, sorry, not minor bird.

Well, no, I could go with the minor bird. I was debating between these two. Because the minor birds build very structurally sound. Well, okay, a couple of reasons. Let's see. Where do I start? The minor birds You're going to have a swarm of these

There's just going to be one Just relax They're incredibly invasive Okay They're incredibly invasive birds They have the ability Yeah there you go See that cute little minor bird over there

They're incredibly invasive They've made a muck They've run a muck all over All over the world And they build very structurally sound nests So what I'm hoping is The minor bird is just going to come in I was thinking the weaver bird at first,

but I think the minor bird's going to come in. It's going to be a complete menace. You can't get rid of it. That's the case with the minor birds all over the world. Then it's just going to build the super structurally sound nest, which is basically going to act as a fort for the golden eagle and the Peregrine Falcon. So they're going to have defensible, they're going to have some defensible, you know. So you're playing Minecraft.

You're kind of doing like a Minecraft scenario here. We're building. We're attacking. We've got everything going on. No, no, no, no. You have a fort built of twigs by tiny birds. It's not going to defend against anything. Maybe, maybe not.

They're very invasive. Can't get rid of them. That's a problem. If I outlast you, I win. You can't get rid of us. I mean, so I have my last pick. My last pick is fucking phenomenal. So let me ask you,

are you having a team of birds build this nest or is it just one? Do we each get one bird? Can we have multiple? It's one bird. My understanding is one. So you're going to have one. Bird, build this nest, a fort for everybody. Don't worry. Don't worry about that. Don't worry about me.

I got my pick. All right. My pick, this will solidify my win. So everybody will finish their drink at the end of this episode when I win this. I will have a vulture. That's right. I'm going to have the common vulture. They are very accustomed to just destroying meaty, fleshy bodies.

So he'll be down. And it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at the end of the day because my ostrich and my red-tailed hawk will have simply destroyed all of your birds so that my vulture will have plenty of food to come and eat and procreate. That's cool. That's cool. You just picked a much, much smaller version of the Andean condor. That's cool. Correct.

Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It'll be good. Don't care. It'll be good. Doesn't matter. Matt, the Q, says good pick Peter. this has been really, really fun, by the way.

What do you think, Forrest? First real live stream, thoughts? I'm a fan. Yeah, I'm a big fan. I would be curious to know what the Browsner's thought. I mean, I noticed our numbers, you know, they got up there to 70 or so, and now they're down to 50 or so. So did we bore you people?

Let us know. No, we did not. I like engaging with fans. I like having people. No, look, it's, I'm joking. I'm having a great time. You're hammered. with everybody. I'm not. I've had one beer tonight. I'm doing pretty good. And yeah, I love it.

I think we should do more lives. And I'd love to hear from the Brosners if you guys think more lives. This is the way to do it. If you want us to go back to the traditional stuff. And like Patrick said, we got something really special that we're working on that hopefully will be back, we'll be up and running in what, probably a couple weeks, Patrick? Oh, yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Definitely within the next month, This is our first live one. We're going to get our shit sorted out. Obviously, the audio levels and all that shit.

We're, you know, test run. Thanks for hanging. You guys are great. The engagement's super fun. Yeah. Shit. Aaron just answers real fun time. Thumbs up.

I wish you guys would tell me what you're talking about. You guys are making plans without me. In the next month, there better be something very special. And I better know about it by the end of the night. We're figuring out how to weed you out of this entirely, Peter. Well, good luck with that. Good luck. I hope you hired somebody in your opinion.

Oh, Jason Abbs brought up a good question. We didn't do animal the week. We did not. Do you got one? You got one ready? We did have one. Will, what do we have?

The jewel was a parasite document, which is it primarily hunts one kind of animal in this case. Tell us about it, Will. Bring us up today. You didn't set it up like a mystery guy, but tell us about the jewel wasp, Will. What's that?

Once the female has been impregnated, It lays its eggs inside the bodies of a cockroach. And it gets so much more. And what does it do to those cockroaches? What does it do for reproduction? They find them by smelling for them. They bite down on the cockroach's exoskeleton. Inject them, they inject them with a neurotoxic venom that paralyzed.

And then when the cockroach is paralyzed, it takes out a tiny little syringe-like stinger. and puts it into the brain of the cockroach. At that point, it takes up to a minute for the thing to go into like the proper, whatever the cortex of a cockroach brain is. And it controls it so that it can no longer walk and it loses all of its ability to make its own choices,

effectively turning it into a zombie. Yep. That's great. And not to mention, not to mention, the jewel wasp is incredibly beautiful. It's got this green, shiny exosophic. skeleton that's absolutely stunning, which gets at the name the jewel wasp, and you'd never know that it is this absolutely ravenous, terrible savage mother. Isn't this how everyone mates?

Thank you, Daniel. Cool. There's lots of comments. People are very happy about this animal. They hate cockroaches. Love this animal. I love you guys, you listeners, not you two, despicable human beings. Good night, good night.

Good night. Love you guys. Bye. Bye.