Wild Times: Wildlife Education - "Dragon Alligator" Discovered in Thailand - The Wild Times Ep. 131

Episode Date: November 13, 2023

This week we discuss a new species of extinct alligator in Thailand, play the animal sound game, and the time Forrest almost willingly drowned to death. Enjoy! LEATHERMAN: Leatherman Arc - Shop Now: https://www.leatherman.com/arc-702.html PRIZE PICKS: Go to https://www.prizepicks.com/wild and use code wild for a first deposit match up to $100! DUER: Go to www.shopduer.com/wild to get 15% off your order! Get 25% off KUDO Popcorn with the code WILD at https://kudosnacks.com/discount/WILD! #KUDOpartner Subscribe to The Wild Times Podcast on YouTube ▶▶ https://www.youtube.com/@WildTimesPod Get YouTube Membership Perks ▶▶ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVl7fHhUOpFK8Mpv-6DdoOg/join Get Up To 4 Bonus Podcasts Per Month ▶▶ https://www.patreon.com/wildtimespod Watch More Episodes Here ▶▶ https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP... Visit https://thewildtimespodcast.com/ now! Join The Wild Times Discord Server: https://discord.gg/ytzKBbC9Db Get your Wild Times Podcast merch: https://thewildtimespodcast.com/merch Leave a review on iTunes Apple Podcast: https://thewildtimespodcast.com/itune... Follow The Wild Times Podcast on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wildtimespod/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wildtimespod Twitter: https://twitter.com/WildTimesPod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/wildtimespod/ Listen to The Wild Times Podcast on: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2cbFBzf... Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Google: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0... Anchor.fm: https://anchor.fm/wildtimespod/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WildTimesPod Enjoy, brosteners! TWT 131 - The Breakdown 00:00 - Intro/Rancid 04:18 - Epaulette Shark Born in Zoo From Parthenogenesis 17:27 - Humpback Whale Breach Hits Foiler 19:40 - Spider Sock 21:45 - Thailand's New Species of Extinct Alligator 24:21 - Animal sound game 31:50 - Silent Discos 37:00 - Football Team Name Game 45:15 - Leatherman 52:00 - Forrest Willingly Drowned to Death - Son Doong cave 58:55 - BTS of Making Tv 1:02:30 - Thanksgiving Meals 1:06:35 - Top 3 & DFL - Steak Cuts Jingles made by: www.soundcloud.com/mimmkey https://www.newbelgium.com/beer/fat-tire/ #wildtimespod #podcast

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All right. We're back Wild Times, uh, podcast. Oh, fuck off, Kyle. I'm talking into the microphone. Shut up. Coming right in with a hard app. We don't need a number today, but we do. Whoa.

Wow. You can't drop a C-bomb on air. He's going to bleep it. Oh, man. Everyone's amped up. I'm going to tell the listeners what just happened. Yeah, okay. The speakers are still all on there.

Yeah. I asked Forrest If he wanted to go to a Green Day concert Yeah With smashing pumpkins in the band Rancid And he was like, who's Rancid? And so we were just blasting the song Ruby Soho And it just got everyone so free

Ruby Ruby Ruby Soho Are you? Were you the singer of Rancid? Dude, it's pretty good to be honest Punk rock is so great from back in the day Because it's literally as if the three of us started a band in the garage and just screamed into a microphone.

But whatever you were thinking, that sort of rhymed. And then people would like literally, like, just be destroying themselves in a mosh pit. I was one of them. Mashing heads. Until Patrick put Rancid on the speaker, I swear I wasn't going to have a 10 a.m.

You said you wanted to take a couch nap. I was going to take a couch nap. He did. Yeah. You went from couch nap to let's get smashed. And that's the feeling that I have about going to this concert. Dude, we're going to this. Okay, so what I want to get,

because it's where the chargers play, right? And so I have really good seats. I want to get my seats. What would you be willing to pay? What's your max? It's Green Day Rancid and... Smashing pumpkins and one other band. I'd pay up to 200 bucks.

Okay. That's it. What are you nuts? I think it might... I think it's probably gonna be like 500 for the real... No, no. Now, let me hear that. In my section...

Yes, it would be a business expense. In my section, all the food and booze is free. Oh, well, you didn't mention that. Yeah. Usually I allocate at least like a buck 50 to that. Okay, so you go to 350? Yeah, 354. Can I?

Look, if you guys are both going. If you guys are both going on my... Hold on. Let me just explain something to you two morons. So, uh, we were looking for Adele tickets for my mother-in-law and father-in-law in Vegas, right? This is not how any good story has ever started. So we were looking for the tickets. And, uh, guess how much it was for, like, just to be in non-nosebleed seats?

And let me ask you this. Vegas is crazy, though. And there's small venues. Can you answer the? fucking question. No, I, this is going to dictate my answer. Okay.

Was this when Adele was still obese? It's now. It was the other day. Okay, because I'd pay more for new Adele. Okay. So I'm going to say 700 bucks. No. You are insane.

These seats are upwards of $7,000. For nosebleed seats? The seats? Is it in the sphere? No, no. I was saying, did I say no sleep? I meant non-nosebleed seats.

You definitely said nosebleed, right? He said non-nosebleed. But 7,000. These are smaller venues. use. Adele is, I have to think, much more popular than Green Day and Rancid. All right. But, okay. So, I'll look. I'll look. Price picks, more or less $400. More for your seats. All right, let's go more or less $600 then. I fear they're going to be like a thousand. Definitely. But we don't need to sit in those seats. Okay. But if we can and they're around

500 bucks I'm in. I'll go. I'll go for the experience. And here's why. It's going to be a bunch of 40-year-olds with hip problems like head banging and screaming. Yes. the chorus. My wife just went to death cab for cutie and it's exactly that at the Hollywood Bowl. That's also like very chill music. Chill music and postal service. Yeah, it's chill music. Yeah, very chill. It's an opposite thing, but it's going to be the same age group is what I'm saying. Fair enough. I think we should go. This is an animal podcast, isn't it? No, it's about punk rock music. Oh, you have a thylacine shirt. You do it? Okay. I do. A little messy. Is there anything in the news about the thylacine?

No. Was there anything in the damn news? Forrest and BTG went to West Papua and found a thylacine. It's number two or three. Is there a thylacine? What's in the news? Sir, no's from the underground. That's in the news.

We got real music in studio. All right. Well, I don't have thylene news, but I do have some pretty exciting news. You guys remember a couple years ago I made a Shark Week show called Island of the Walking Sharks, went to Papua New Guinea. No, I never heard of it. Definitely. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah.

You incurred $100,000 of excess baggage fees. Yes, 90,000. I'm still, I'm still clawing my way out of that. I'm not joking, by the way. It's the closest I've ever come to shutting the doors on my entire life. And going back to being a biologist, making $14 an hour. Jeez, man. Counting ants.

But, but, yeah, in the Brookfield Zoo, a brand new baby epaulet shark was born. But here's the thing. First of all, Brookfield Zoo is in, Chicago. In Chicago, in Illinois. My amamata. Right. Here's the thing, though.

This appellate shark was born through Parthenogenesis. Don't know what I've heard of it, learned about it in Bio 101. Explain it. I don't know what the shark is or the term. Can you explain both, please? We've talked about both of them. Well, let's get into it. Parthenogenesis is when a female produces a clone of itself without male reproduction.

So it's pretty cool. This female shark produced a fertile egg, through parthenogenesis, which is what happened. Some Elasman Branks, sharks and race species, some lizards, a group of different animals can do it. But basically, the cell split and duplicate and create a clone of the mother. And so, yeah, this zoo just decided,

or not, it didn't decide, but the zoo just had a female shark do that without ever having male contact. Is this very, very atypical of something that sharks do? Or is this, I mean, I don't know, sharks, lizards, a couple. Basically, certainly not everything.

Remember, didn't we talk about a crocodile doing it? Yeah. months ago. Yeah. So it happens when like undo an extreme lack of sexual pressure happens on a group of animals that are capable of this. Like I never happen to a human, right? It just wouldn't. No, but that's fascinating. But basically imagine you're a female shark. It's been trapped your entire life with no sexual stimulation and your DNA, your evolutionary biology takes over and goes, we need to make babies. You're the last one left. There's no more. There's no male coming around. Bro, it blows my mind.

Now, so do they, like, does she have to, like, kind of, like, get her fin down there and, like, rubber? Dude, do they have quitaris? Clitor. Well, these are hard questions to field. No, I, as far as I'm aware, in the comments, if you know about shark, there's no pleasure involved. I mean, there's no pleasure in childbirth to begin with. Like, what a, it's like the worst of the world. You got to have some pleasure to be able to get there, so.

For us, but not for the sharks. Let me ask you this. Now, when they do, is it, is, when it's parthenogenesis, it's an exact clone of the mom, right? There's no very, they can't mix up the DNA. Gotcha. So that's pretty cool. It is. So, um, you did say just now that I forgot what I was going to say, go on, carry on. I literally fucking just had a blank.

I'm going to start, um, super gluing fishing weights to my t-shirts because every time I sit here, the fucking, dude, like, I don't want my midriff exposed. No. Like, I really, really don't. I find myself on this couch sitting with my arms crossed, and I saw some people commenting, like, his body language is tense. It's like, no, it's the couch. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me just, I'm going to do with my arms on this couch. So the last couple podcasts we did, uh, they came from your garage and people really like them.

So that was exciting. And the, the comments have been just flowing on YouTube. And there's been, like, I would say 33 and 0.3% of the comments have been about pets. nonstop moving leg. Just nonstop. And then somebody said you guys have cheap chairs, which I mentioned pre-pontics. I mean,

you have, but it's like... Well, I'm always too drunk to rest. Those chairs are from restoration hardware. To net cheap. By the way, let me throw something in here

because Peter's asked me to do this for about a year and this is the first time I've remembered. Cheers, mate. If you're listening to this, go over and watch it on YouTube and hit the...

It's a bell. Bell. Hit the bell button. Hit the bell. Do you know about this? No, I didn't either. You press a bell. and then you get a notification that Kyle shut up he's fucking laughing at me

oh this is so funny hate him so much you get you press the bell and then you get a notification that we've just uploaded a new podcast that's a good thing to do the funny like right did I get it right Kyle on normal videos people are like smash that like button hit the subscribe push the bell and hit all notifications for us is like there's a bell somewhere on a computer I watch a lot of YouTube I go down YouTube wormholes every other night I didn't know that that's what the bell was for I've seen it I was scared I literally, yeah, I had no idea. I didn't know you could do that.

So, thank you. Thank you for saying, I did the thing, though. I appreciate it. Yeah, I love you. Thanks. Applet sharks. Snacks that like button.

Now, that's the walking shark that you were looking for. Correct. It was the epaulet shark. Yeah. So it's like a three foot shark. Yeah, beautiful. Kyle pull up a pick, would you? A little Australian epaet shark.

So there's a couple. There's five species in total, I believe. But this was the Australian one. So it's the only one that's really one that's really common in the pet trade is this Australian one. That's the right one. Did you find one? Yeah, we found three. Three of the five species.

Super hard to find. Not really. Really easy to find. Our mission wasn't just to find them. It was to see if we could actually film the Australian species walking out of water and we got one. Oh, nice. It's that, that one that walks over the rocks. Yeah, yeah.

The one that Rogan was like freaking out about it. Yeah. Have you seen this shit? The sharks walking out of the water. It's pretty freaking cool. And that was your clip? Yeah. Oh, nice.

Yeah, yeah. That's very cool. Beautiful animals. So there's one species that walks? All of them. So epil. is a group of sharks, or also known as walking sharks. And then I think you could look it up, Kyle.

I think there's five species in total. And there's three in Papua New Guinea, one in Australian, one in Indonesia, if I'm not mistaken. And so we filmed four, actually, the Australian one, and then the three in Papua. And then at the very end, we managed to capture the leopard epaulet, which type in leopard epaulet shark, just see how beautiful this animal is. But we managed to capture this guy walking out of the water. And it was first time it's ever been filmed. So it's pretty historical.

Is that one on social media anywhere? The shark walking? Is that on your IG? I don't know. Maybe. I must have posted it around the show. Yeah, if you can find it. Is it still true?

I remember Romanov telling me, because I was asking him like what is. Mark Romanoff? Yeah. Underwater videographer, extraordinary. He was telling me, because I was like, what is your bucket list thing to film? Yeah. Like, what's your holy grail? And he said that this was a few years ago, but the blue.

whales mating has never been filmed. Oh, I'm sure, yeah. I mean, we've never seen great white sharks mating or giving birth. We've never seen blue whales mating or giving birth. Wow. A lot of these really big ass. So it's one thing to be like, oh, this two-foot shark, nobody's ever filmed leaving the water. The tide. Only a carers in a hundred square miles in Papua New Guinea.

It's talking about blue whales and great whites. And there's a million other things like those two. We've never seen great white sharks mate. To this day, we don't know where they give birth. Dude, that's fascinating. We don't know where eels come from. Not joking. Like look this up, Kyle. Throw this up on screen.

I don't know how they replicate. No, like eels. Your common American eel, we don't know where they come from. Where they breed, where they go, where they give birth, nothing. Well, there's that one kind of eel that swims to the Sargasso Sea, right? And breeds there. But then it disappears. But we don't know.

That's the thing. It goes in, this is the one I'm talking about. It swims into the sea and then a bunch of elvers, the babies come back. We don't know where they may, when they're. reproduce, where their offspring gets dumped, how deep, how shallow, pelagic, Benthick, we don't know anything about it. Good on them, because I don't trust humans with that knowledge. I'll just say that. We'll do something weird with it. It's like the turtles, dude. We'll just, they have to, like, put up barriers from idiots going over there and, like, touching the fucking turtles. And this is true.

It's, like, ridiculous. Yep. This is all true. Did I tell you guys I had a pretty, I don't think I, did I, did I mention my blue whale thing this summer? No, no. No, I don't think I did. I was out, chasing tuna this summer in August. You mean trying to get late? That's funny. Yeah, I was out chasing tuna this summer and had a fucking bust of a day. Just like spent like 14 hours driving around looking for tuna boils and literally didn't see one.

Tuna boils. That sounds gross. You're an idiot. I'm sorry. I got vagina on the brain. And then all of a sudden, after like six, seven hours and not seeing anything, we saw this blue whale in the distance. We're like, oh, sick.

let's go see what that whale's about. And we motored over to it. Like you can't drive up on whales, one, because it just scares them off, but two, it's illegal. So we motored over to like,

I don't know, 200-ish yards away and turn the engine off. And usually, like, blue whales are pretty reclusive. Like, they're not very,

they don't want to engage. They really don't like you diving with them. Like, they're not like humpbacks or grays or spurs that are just like swim right up to you. And this blue whale was completely different. I think I have a video. I can send it for Kyle to cut in.

I definitely have a video. But, um, yeah, this whale literally like we parked the boat here whale was like cruising like this we're like oh it's going away from us like swimming this way and the boat and then it turned and came right in and went under the boat and then turned around and came back under the boat like three more times i jumped in swam with it it was amazing it just was like looking up but just wanted to see what

the boat was all about like looking at me and then you're living a lot of people's dream not mine but a lot of people definitely not yours is this for us video or no yeah yeah this is my quality oh my god This is what I filmed on my iPhone. That's amazing, Forest. Thanks. I got this all on my iPhone. Forest video is akin to that very popular viral video that's out right now. All right, you guys, Patrick, you know this.

I have, I'll find animal shit. I'll pick it up. Lick it, smell it, taste it, no problem. Human germs, disgusting. I'm like Howard Hughes. Like, by the time I'm old, if I'm not covered in hand sanitizer at 24-7, I'm going to freak out. Sure. So I got these dure pants, anti-bacterial.

Oh, wow. True story. I flew to Paris in them, wasn't freaked out by the airplane seats. They're also like an adventure pant. You can roll right out. Feel good going straight into a bar, going into a hike, anything. Nice. I love these. I'm also wearing my doers. These are the joggers. Like, wear them over here to do the podcast. Did you jog here? I'm also going to wear them to bed tonight. Yeah, that makes sense. You guys look great. I noticed something different about you. Didn't know what was the doers. It's all in the pants. You know, doer is a great addition to your wardrobe straight up.

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Who was on there? Who was a quarterback on that? John Madden or something? No. Probably John Elway. Elway. Elway. It was Elway. Yeah. So good. Good strategy. Yeah. Thanks. Well, who would win in a fight? A Bronco or a Bill? I don't even know what a Bill is. It looks like a bison, yeah.

Yeah, but is that a bill? I think it's a man named Bill who rides on a bison. Yeah, I'll take him. Who would win? All right, Bill. Yeah, why not? All right. So I'm going to be picking more than on James Cook rushing yards. I'm going to be picking more than on Stefan Diggs receiving yards. I'm going like bills.

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made easy at prize picks. Where a, what was it, a gray whale or humpback jumps into the air and a, what is it, a surfer? Oh, it's the hydrofoiler?

Just hydrofoiler. We talked about on the bonus pod. The 55-year-old hydrofoiler? Yeah. Just, just, this video, everybody has been said, I'm not a moron. That's a Mark Romanoff video. Yeah, probably. But if you haven't seen this video, Kyle, can you pull this one up for a quick?

We talked about it in the bonus, but I want to talk about it now because I've gotten a thousand messages and nobody messages me, but I've gotten DMs about this thing. And it's really pretty much like one of the best animal videos I've seen all year. I like that. So what's going on here? This guy is, what's this sport called? Oh my God, every time it gets me. not know what a sport is called? Is it wind surfing? He's hydrofoiling with a kite.

Okay, so he's hydrofoiling with a kite. That's a sport, I guess. And what is that? A gray whale or a humpback? Oh, I don't know. I mean, you don't exactly get a humpback. Oh, it looks like a humpback. I think it's a humpback.

Shumps out of the water and this guy just smashes in to the web. The timing is so crazy. And the video angle that he's got on a GoPro or something here? No, he's got one of those 360 cams for sure. Like one of those? Oh, the poles? 60 cams? Yeah.

Dude, that would be so. scary. The idea of this giant like wall of animal coming down and pushing you under would be so terrifying. You have no idea what it is. Maybe it's a great white. I don't know. You have no time to react. I mean, it's pretty, you know that's a whale, but you don't expect to run face first into it at 15, 20 miles an hour. Come to YouTube and check that video out if you are only listening because it is bananas. It's pretty crazy. I love, I love the just the randomness of that of just you, your body and a whales. on the surface of the water at the exact same time. It's like one of those things where you're like, all right,

and you like chuck something. Like you throw a key in it that hits the keyhole and lands in it. You're like, that'll never happen to you. Or, that was like a one in a billion. Nobody saw it. Yeah. Oh, dude, the greatest, the greatest,

my equivalent of kite surfing into a whale. Yes. So I lived in a house when I was like in my early 20s in L.A. And one of my roommates terrified, terrified, mortified of spiders. Okay. He would have night terrors about spiders, like legit night terrors where he was like dreaming that there was a spider around. Oh, wow.

And he like wouldn't go back to sleep for like six hours. Oh, wow. But I'm not miserable arachnophobia, right? So I'm in my room and I'm like watching TV and I just see something moving. And there's like a pretty good size spider on the wall. It's like 3.30 in the morning. And so I literally just- You being the awful human you are.

No, no, no. Literally causing him lifelong trauma. Well, and I needed to get sleep, but I'm like watching TV and insomnia and it's a mess. And I see this spider. And so I just grab a saw. I'm just like, this is going out of my room. Yep. So I just grab it like gently in a sock so as not to kill it.

Just like grab it in a sock. I just open my door. I'm just going to chuck it out, right? And so I literally just open my door, throw it. And I throw it towards the little stairwell. Uh-huh. He's carrying a girl. Oh, no.

She's not passed out. Like, they're being romantic. Yeah, yeah. Some girl he met at the bar. He's carrying her up the stairs and I just throw the sock and it just hits him in the mouth. No way. Did he drop the girl down the stairs or what? All he sees is his roommate just opened a door and chuck a sock in his face.

He thought it was a cum rack. Yeah. Oh, God. And he just goes, what the fuck? And I just started like crying, laughing. I was like, there was a spider in that sock. And he just like, muh. And he just like, started like dancing.

Not getting laid that night. By the way, Forrest just had his gray whale hitting you on a kite surfing or whatever it's called foil tining. When you almost got struck by lightning, dude. Yeah. In a swamp. I know we covered it, but it's like, dude, these are once in a lifetime things. Pat, has there been any other once in a lifetime things that have happened to you? Spider in the mouth.

It's never getting out. Spider in the mouth's pretty sweet. I've had none. I'm like maybe just my computer turned off and power went out one night. And I was like, this is how lame my life. This will never happen again. Yeah. It happens like nine times a day at my house.

What else? We got any more news? Yeah, we got some more news. Thailand announced a pretty cool discovery recently. I saw this a couple weeks ago. A new species of alligator. No. Yep.

But it's not alive. 230,000 years ago after dating the specimen, the Department of Natural Resources found an almost intact skeleton from the Pleistocene. of an entirely new species of alligator, which is pretty cool because what that shows is the alligator's habitat. When we think of alligators, we think of Chinese alligator or American alligator, no other alligators.

That's it, right? But this is showing that alligators, at least prehistoric alligators, used to range all over, including into this area in Thailand, which we didn't know about. And there's a rendering here of this short, crazy-looking skull. Real short snout?

Cool looking. That's a much scarier animal. I was going to say that's a, that is the pit bull. of alligators. It almost looks like a, yeah, like a snake or something much more scary, a Komoto dragon. Yeah. Here's the thing when I first saw this picture, I looked at it and went, sure, okay, I get it.

It's a crocodilian. Go back to that top photo there, Kyle. That is a dragon skull. That is. That's a dragon skull. I've seen many a crocodile and alligator. This is a conspiracy cover-up because that is, just zoom in on just that skull on the right there, Kyle. That is undeniable the skull of a dragon. Look at that. That is a dragon skull. Right? Look at the shape, the size, like everything. It's crazy. By the way, I know so much more about skulls because we keep playing the skull game. The animal skull game on the bonus pods. The skull game is so hard. It's the hardest game we've ever played. It's not a game where anyone wins, to be quite honest.

Even the audience loses. No, everyone. Yeah, if you're watching, you're losing. I think Kyle has been putting them on the YouTube as just their own segment. Dude, I, it's like, we play a lot of games. Somehow I cannot get a. single one right. So here's, oh sorry, go ahead. I was going to say, here's what I imagine happens on the YouTube and you know how much I engage and read the comments. Can you hit the bell? Calm down. Here's what I imagine. People watch the video and then as soon as they see what the skull is, they go, oh, that's definitely a camel. And they type that and it's like, told you. You know what I mean? So they watch it until the end and then pretend like they guessed it.

Well, I tried on the last one. Is that happening, Kyle? I'm sure. On the last one we did, I tried to throw the animal skull into AI did not succeed. Although it got pretty close. So you guys liked the animal skull game? I like it. I don't want to play it. Yeah. That wasn't where I was going.

I love it. Do you like the animal sound game? Oh, that's, I love this game. All right. Kyle's going to DJ. I don't know the answer. So Kyle, you're a DJ, turn your mic on. And he is going to, we're going to play the animals.

We don't have a jingle for this yet. No. Should we do? Animal skull. Animal. Let's do it in a rancid version. Sound. What?

Animal sound. Yeah, the singer from Rancid was always doing this. Animal sounds. Fuck your mom. Animal sounds. Oh. What's your version? As Rancid?

Yeah. Just whatever you want. They'll let Pat do it. They're gonna play a sound. It's an animal sound. Animal sounds. Whoa. That's pretty good.

Until you stepped on it. That was actually really cool. I didn't move back from the mic. So it won't. Okay. All right. All right. Are you guys ready?

Yeah. Who makes our jingles? Mm-K. Shout out to M-K, because now we need an animal sound jingle, thanks to Pat singing. Yeah. All right, here we go. Yep. Number one.

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This sounds... Okay. Okay. That sounds like when Forrest is trying to use microphone. It goes... I heard it. I don't have a good... Do it again.

Can you do it a little louder? Yeah, let's do it one more time. Crank it. All right, I have a guess. I got it. Yeah, go ahead. I think it's a big cat of some sort. I think that is a female cheetah.

Okay. All right. I think that it is Mitch, when you guys stay in a hotel room together. Weird. It's a good. I agree with the big cat cry. I'm going feral hog, though, for real. I'm going to go serval.

Farrell hog. It is a red fox. Ah. We weren't even close. A fox is a feline, though, right? Zero points awarded. Zero points awarded. A fox is a feline?

It is not. It's a more dog? It's a. More dog. It's a dog. A dog. Okay. Next.

Number two. Something cute. Yeah. It's adorable. I'm gonna go with a mole. Okay. Mouse lemur. Ooh,

that's a good guess. Kangaroo rat. This is a whistling duck. Oh, come on, Edward. No one's got that. Don't make it so hard,

though. He definitely Googled weirdest animal sounds. Yeah. It's impossible to identify. Dog goes woof, cow goes moo, moo, would you?

Yeah. Yeah. For real. Yeah. One that I can get. Like even for me, like that, nobody's getting that. What's that? Oh, it's a whistling duck.

A duck goes quack, motherfuckers. Yeah. If you're going to do duck, go quack, quack, quack for us, Edwin. What I got next? Let's see if we get one. Number three, here we go. So it's an animal that makes both of those very distinct sounds. Forrest you go first.

I'm going to go flamingo. Yeah, I think it's a bird of some sort. Definitely a bird. Bird. Bird. I think it's. What's that real prehistoric looking bird? No, it's not that.

Fuck. Osprey. It sounds so annoying that I'm going to go with a parrot. This is a bottlenose dolphin. Oh, fuck off, Edwin. Just play any other dolphin sound quickly. Literally go to YouTube and play bottlenose dolphin sound. I got to give Edwin a little credit, though,

because he did put in the dolphin noises that are after it. Oh, shit, dude. That's like if you took like a three-minute-long dolphin track and you're like, here's the weirdest part of the track. Here's the weirdest thing. Give us a chance. Do you know how many times I've watched, what's the dolphin movie where he's friends with the dog?

Flipper? Flipper. Never once did I hear that sound in Flipper. Was Flipper a TV show or a movie? It was a great TV show. Yeah. This is great pod. That's not coming through.

All right, edit that out. So what's the next? Anyway, that was a bottom nose dolphin. Zero points awarded. Yeah. Number four. I'm not enjoying this. All right, quiet. It's great.

The listeners are enjoying it. Charlie's not. Look at Charlie. Look at his tongue. Number four. I know this one, so you guys should go. This is crazy. Do you? Yeah, I do. This sounds like a human instrument. It's getting the dog furious. Yeah, look at Charlie. He's ready to attack. It's one of my favorite sounds I've ever heard in my life. So, and the experience from hearing.

Can you give us just a little hint? Howler monkey? Good guess. A little hint? A little hint for the one. Sure, it occurs in Madagascar. Come on. That's a great hint. There's like one group of animals in the entire country. Just give it a guy who's never been to Madagascar.

Is it a red rough gleamer? No, but that's a good guess. It's the two animals greater than that in size. I'm going to go with an African gorilla then. So close. They live in Madagascar. What is it? What is it?

It's an injury. Oh, the injury. Yeah. It is an injury. So real quick before Kyle goes into the next one. So the experience for me, the very first time I ever went to Madagascarer, We've never been to where injury occur. Got it.

They're in Rana Mafauna National Park, which is this national park. It's like three hours from Tana. And the very first time I went to Madagascar, I was pretty young. I was like 22 years old. And I went with Jess and we drove into this national park. We got there late at night. We had no money. We were staying in this like, they didn't have hostels,

but they're just basically like wooden rooms with like a wooden frame for a bed and no real mattress. And you just go to sleep. And then at dawn, you wake up. and you hear the sound. And it's like this, like, imagine that cranked like 100x in volume because they're all around. Okay. And you get goosebumps. Your skin stands up and you open like the blinds and the shutters.

And there's just these misty mountains and this crazy like, wee sound like coming from like 10 different directions. And then you hike for like two, three hours and see this lemur that's human sized. It's amazing. That sounds pretty incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Really cool.

Even me who never wants to leave the house kind of wants to do that. I remember the night that we went out. in in Vietnam and there was like the nitrous and the climbing across the ceiling we've told the story I was wondering if you're gonna talk about episode one and we played badminton in the street yeah then those guys screwed us yeah so we got back from that and we were staying you know it was just like jungle and then this little like resort that we were you know whatever we were staying at before we went in and uh the sound guy was up and hammered hammered he'd been drinking by himself and he was just like holding his boom up pointing

it at the forest and his headphones on and he's just like wobbling he's like you gotta come listen to this he's like you got to come put these headphones on yeah and he couldn't hear it with your naked ear but he had it like turned all the way up and he was getting it on his boom and you could just hear all these monkeys yeah dude see that super cool and he was just listening to monkey sound that's literally like more that's more of a draw to me I'm like one of those guys who puts noise canceling headphones on and dances by himself in the middle of the night when he's drunk sure this is this is what I would be doing if I was out on uh expedition with you guys.

Silent disco. Yeah, you'd be using technology. Have you before Kyle goes in the next one? Have you guys seen a silent disco? Yes. In person, I've seen them. So there's one that... So you were involved?

No. On Thursdays for two months in the summer, there's one that happens on the far end of our rugby field. I might have told this before. So you guys are smashing heads and then people are dancing with headphones. Literally like 50 guys show up ready to just smash each other, like furiously angry. And then there's just this like clownish. looking guy and a tie-dye t-shirt

with dreadlocks, like just spinning a thing and all these people in headphones, like, and making out and like rolling around on the grass on the other side. Why did the silent disco get invented? What was the thought? Oh, it's too weird if we all hear the same song out loud. I couldn't tell. I mean, I got to,

do you know, Kyle has input? My guess is that it had to do with like noise complaints and going late into the night. I was going to say there's some very... And why do it at four in the afternoon when we're training? There's some very clear benefits to it. Cost. Cost. You don't have to have a big sound system at all. No, but you still got to have it synced up

so that everyone's headphones getting the same song at the same time. No, they have channels. They can pick different channels. Oh, okay. Dude, also, just look, I'm not being against silent disco. Just do it in your fucking living room. If you're doing it in public, it's a nightmare. Nah, no, you've never looked dumber than being in a silent disco,

like rolling out of your fucking brain. I'm a guy that would do a fucking silent disco, all right? Because when you put those headphones on and you've had maybe a little ecstasy or some acid, smoked a little reefer, maybe had a few drinks. It's like four o'clock in the afternoon and it's Santa Barbara. You have to have a cocktail of four illicit narcotics in you for it to sound fun. No, no, no, that's not true. I'm just saying if I were to do a silent disco, I would have a cocktail for. And these people just start rolling around making out on the grass, by the way.

Like I've seen this multiple times. And we're like running around trying to hit each other. It's like 85 degrees out. And there's just people like rolling around with head around. If we're being honest, the guy in the tie-dye who's making out with a girl rolling around sounds a little cooler than the guys who are like, I'm going to smash your face in. No, right. No way. Let's do the last sound.

Also, by the way, you hold your drink in your right hand. Finish your beer. Correct. Never drink with your right hand. Let's see this. Let's hear this last sound. Forrest got one. That's unfortunate.

People are so mad that we've put a stop in the middle of the animal sound. I don't care. It's my podcast. Number five. Exactly. Let's hear it Oh, there's a problem. Hold on one set. Kyle's got a new mixing board.

I wish you would have figured this out while we were yammering about non-animous. And we had 40 minutes he could have decided how to do this. It's okay. We'll keep it. I know this one. Okay. Easy. Can you play it again?

Because I know it, but it's not coming to me. I've heard it before. Go ahead. I mean, this is very easy. It's in a very popular movie. It's a Velociraptor, Jurassic Park. I think it's a, I think, I think it's a Bengal tiger.

Nah. Nah, it's, um, fuck. You going to get it wrong, but it's, it's, it's not a hippo. Uh, it's like something like that. Something like a hippo? I'm hearing it. It's like a pig or a hippo or something like that. It sounds pigish, but I think it was coming from the throat and not the nose.

All right, I'm going to go with hippo, even though it's not a hippo. It is an elephant seal. Elephant seal. Oh, wow. I knew it was some fat. Did we not do an elephant seal in the skull game as well? Yeah, I think we did. We did.

So, all right. A ribbon seal for sure. It's November 13th. Yeah. Thanksgiving's coming up. We're officially in the holiday season. I want to play a little game. Wow.

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here. Yeah. A game without a computer in front of here. Do you remember the show Perfect Strangers? Of course. With Belkeke. Yep. It was Cousin Larry and Belke Bar-Tacamos. Don't remember Cousin-Lary, but I remember the show. Okay. So Cousin Larry had gotten into football betting.

Okay. I've got to fix my shirt because I'm exposing my midriff like the teenagers at Starbucks. It's a midriff couch. So Belke he kept winning his bets. Okay. And he was like winning like every time he was winning like parlay bets on the NFL. Yep.

And he wouldn't tell Larry his strategy. And then he revealed his strategy. Which was? He'd just take the names of the team and decide which one would win in a fight. Smart. I like that. Have you tried this? No, we're going to do it right now.

Oh, okay. We're going to go through the games that are coming up this week. Okay. You're a biologist. Yep. You're an every man. This is a real smart. I love this game.

Yeah, it's pretty good game. Do you have a name for this? It's probably not going to be something to do you. Can you play some kind of a jingle? Maybe just, uh... It's called the don't bet on the, don't bet on this, but let's see. Let's see if it works. I'm just kidding, Kyle.

All right. First up, yeah. We've got the Bengals, bengal tiger. Yep. Versus a raven who wins in a fight. Peter. We could say it at the same time.

Herpes or something. One, two, three. Bangal. Yeah, bangles. All right. It's your same been on the bengles. Tiger beats, bird.

How about bears versus lions? It's a good one. It is a good one. So we're talking grizzly, right? I'm talking a big Alaskan Codiac Brown bear. He hates the bears, though. Versus... It's true.

Well, actually... It's true. It's definitely going to be the... Whatever the other one was. The tiger. I'm going bears, for sure. Bears. Based on the strategy, it's got to be bears.

I just, you know, I can't select the bears. I knew you couldn't. So you're picking a lion to win in the fight? I'm picking the lion. I got to. All right. Pat, are you going to tie the break? Break the tie?

I'm on bears. This can't be about football. It just has to be... It's unanimous. It's obviously a bear. He's going to win a fight. Bears, bears, bears. All right.

Do bears. How about this? A cowboy? Quite weak and meager. Yeah, I might have a little six shooter on his hip. True. Versus a panther. Ooh, that's better.

With the six shooter. I mean, this thing, this panther is, you know, is an opportunistic hunter. It's going to pounce. I don't know if he's going to get a shot off in time. But I assume the cowboy is on a horse. Ah. Has to be. With a six shooter.

With a six shooter. I'm going to go cowboy. Listen, I gotta go cowboys here, man. Kyle, you just showed me how egregiously terrible I look with my arms out. Do you see that? You look, you remember? No way I could do any more of the pod looking like that. I can't believe I ever put my arms up on it.

It's like that picture from my wedding where you look like a kind of like Rosie O'Donnell. Dude, I've never looked worse. It's the worst picture ever. Kyle, I'm going to send it to you. All right. Show it up in the pod. How about this one? A Seahawk?

Yep. Or a ram. Oh. In a fight. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, you know, you're coming from the air. You got the Rams.

Yeah. Wow. Stellar Sea Eagle over any RAM, period. I mean, I feel like the RAM is only going to be on the defense. The entire, there's not going to be able to mount an offensive. Yeah, there'll be no offense going from the RAM. Yeah. But I still got to just pick the RAM because.

Yeah. Ram, Seahawks. Now, here's a bit of an odd one. This is going to be the last one here. I like it. A giant? Yep. Or a commander.

Wow. It's a hard one. So basically it's Joe Biden versus giant. No, no. Listen, this actually happened. Did it not? Explain?

Where there was a giant that a commander had commanded some troops to go get it out of a cave. Oh, the Kandahar giant? Yeah, the Kandahar giant. This has happened. I think we talked about that on the pod. I'm saying one commander. I know. Literally,

I want you to picture a giant versus Joe Biden in his suit. Come on now. He's a commander in chief. Giant. Joe Biden. No, it's obviously. Guess we got to go with the Giants. But if the commander was commanding, let's say, three cowboys.

So let me ask you this quickly. Damn it, are you just going to bypass that? That's a great question! Let me ask you this. Of all of those picks that we just did, how close or far from, like, Vegas odds were we? How the hell do you know? I don't know. Let me see.

But you know, he knows because he pays attention all this stuff. The Ravens will be favored against the Bengals. Okay. So we went against that. The lions will definitely be favored over the bears. Okay. The Bears are god-awful. Giants commander is probably pretty even.

Cowboy Panther. Cowboys will be heavily favored. Yeah. And then what was it? Seahawks ram? Seahawks will be favored. Okay. So one for six?

I would say probably don't use Belke's strategy. No, no, use my strategy because I'm the one that went against the grain there. So use my first picks there. Okay. Kanda-haer giant, dude. Pretty sweet. I'm just saying if you had three cowboys and a commander. I went down the wormhole on the Kandahard.

giant. It's pretty. It's legit. It's not there's a lot. No, it's like, it's really hard to decide because there's lots of people that are like this is BS, this, you know, the guy who first told the story. The guy who first told the story is a YouTuber. Yeah. What's his name? You watch the video, right? Yeah. I wrote a whole show on it and tried to pitch it and everything. Oh, really? Didn't go. Retracing the steps, like going into the cave and Kandahar and everything. Didn't go. I would watch that. It's interesting.

To go look for like biological evidence of like was a giant human living here? I had a whole thing like you can do E DNA. So literally all you have to do is get some sand out the cave and see if there was any giant humanoids there. Yep. It's like pretty clever. Pretty simple too. Why don't we doing this? Because it's a cover up and it's true.

That's why. I mean, that's why they didn't buy the show. Exactly. What is the largest primate species that's ever lived? Do you know? That's ever lived? No, I don't know.

Like what is kept primate? There really aren't any giant primates. What keeps primates from getting huge, right? Like there was giant bears, there's giant sloths. I've read that it's the amount of oxygen. There's not enough oxygen to sustain. You're thinking of insects. It's the same thing, no?

No, no. Because insects, it's their circulatory system. Biggest primate, Kyle. Interesting. Oh, yeah, I knew that one. What? Joe Rogan talks about that. How old was that?

Constantly, yeah. Wait, wait, wait, was that from like a million years ago? No, it's not. It's like, place to see. I think. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save?

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A 10-foot primate. But still, I didn't even know that that was a real thing. That's crazy. You pull a picture up. I would really like there to be like a 20-foot ape. I mean. That'd be really cool. Yeah, and all the biggest stuff are herbivores, always, right?

Carnivores are never the biggest. Like, it just never happened. Right, that's true. Yeah, that's strange. Look at you. Pretty crazy. Yeah. Well, I mean, so imagine if there was just a couple of these wandering around North America.

Like out in the wild. Yeah. Can you do Gigantipithecus next to gorilla? I don't want to see what that was like. What would you do if you encountered one of these in the wild? Padder and Forest? I would know that I wouldn't want to eat me. Yeah, pull up that thing.

So I would try not to threaten it. Look at that. Like, guerrillas are utterly terrifying just based on everything. And look at the size of Gigantapithecus. Crazy. Wow. Gigantapithcas doesn't look particularly intimidating though. It looks like a woolly mammoth combined with a gorilla face.

Do we know that it had a dopey face like that? Yeah. It's an orangutan relative. Really? Yeah. So you're saying an orangutan picture?

Bro, there you go. That's specious. Orangetans are some of my favorite things to look at at the zoo. Yeah. So it goes in order of intelligence between the primates. Is it chimpanzee than orangutang?

Oh, I'm not sure. I think so. I'm pretty sure chimpanzees at the top. Well, chimps are the top and then I think orangutan. That sounds right. I mean, I don't. Orangutangans always remind me of like a,

they just have like a Buddha belly. They remind me of like a relaxing. meditative Buddha. They do. They tend to sit that way. And they have a night, I like their foreheads. They just have like a very thoughtful brow. Yeah.

That's why I think I like looking at them. Well, we've got a contest going on. We do. It's underway. Yeah. Entries are closing soon. Explain. Well, Leatherman, our friends at Leatherman.

Yes. I have given us a new multi-tool that Forrest is obsessed with, the Leatherman arc. The arc one-handed tool. That's what people need to understand. You can do everything on a leatherman with one hand. 21 tools in there? Yep.

Incredibly sharp. Yep. All made with super high-end steel. Everything's capable to, the magnetic opening that gets it for me. It's like, yeah, it's like a switchblade. A butterfly knife. Butterfly knife.

Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Very cool. So nice. Already have over 200 entries in the contest. Do we really? this so badly. It's the coolest tool. I'm not going to do the whole thing

because you guys know I spas down. It's the coolest tool they've ever made, hands down. So if you want to win a Leatherman arc, all you do is go into the comments of YouTube, Spotify, wherever you listen. Give us your favorite, tell us a story. Yep. Five sentences of your favorite outdoor moment. Yep. And we will, on the next pod, we're going to read the three finalists.

Right. And then we will be giving it. one away before Christmas to whoever's outdoor moment story really hits us, really gets us. There could be an adventure, could be heartwarming. There's zero chance you re-gift this item. You're going to get this and be like, wow, I was going to give it to my dad. Fuck you, dad. This is mine now. And we're going to read your story on the air.

Yeah. And by the way, we're closing entries on November 20th. So you got one more week to submit your. And I have to tell a story, right? I'm on time. Yeah. So we've done, we've been counting down your number three, you're number two. This is your number one.

you're making your story Leatherman centric because you always carry them. The entries don't have to be. Correct. But mine are. What's your number one for us? All right, mine, you're going to hate me for even sharing this. I already hate you, it's fine. Remember when we're in Songdung?

Of course you do. One of the best trips we've ever been on. Of course. And we were ascending at the very end. You know where I'm going with us. Yes, I do. Now I do. So at the end of this hike here.

You never told this story, by the way. I don't think we have. I mean, it wasn't, it felt like a big moment for a moment, and then nothing happened. Yeah. But at the end, so we did a six mile like hike for, what, three or four days,

whatever it was, through this cave, song doing the largest cave in the world. Right. At the very end, you have to ascend up like 400 foot vertical wall. And you're like repelling and climbing and you've got all the harnesses

and the ropes on. Yeah. Well, typically you do that with nothing on, right, so that your harness doesn't get caught and shit. But we had all our gear with us. You mean naked? No, you idiot.

Just not with backpack. You don't usually have a big backpack. Gotcha. Yeah. We had all our shit with us, and we had so much stuff. We had like 50 porters on this trip, but we had so much stuff, we still had to carry a bunch of our own gear going up at the end. Yeah. And I was, Pat was right ahead of me and I was right behind him.

We were sort of like ascending like this. And his line got tangled in his backpack and he got fully, fully stuck. Oh, man. At like, what would you say, 140 feet in the air? Yeah, I was thinking 200. Either way, it's a not a fun place to be stuck. And it's dark as shit, right? So your headlamps are the only thing that's lighting you inside this fucking cage.

It's like your parachute getting tangled after you get out of the plane. And because of how the whole thing works, like there was nobody with us. Do you know what I mean? So like the guys who were sort of like our guiding force were way up ahead or below us because, you know, it's not like, oh, hey, I'm stuck. And somebody's like, I'll be right there. Yeah. So it's just basically Pat and I, I think Mitch was below me, if I remember correctly.

But Pat's ropes got super fucked up on his backpack. but you have a safety line. So you have your main ascending line and then you have a secondary line, which I think contributed to getting stuck. Yes. But... A lot of lines.

A lot of lines. I had my leatherman, not my arc. I think it was a leatherman wave on my hip, like I always do. And we had no one around. And Pat was like, fuck, what do I do?

And for a moment, it felt like I hope I don't kill Pat. You were above him, right? No, I was slightly below him just to the left. So I could see the tangle. So I took my leatherman out, took the knife out. And I was like,

I think I'm cutting the right line. I think I said it with a lot more confidence. Yes, you did. I believed that you knew what you were doing. Yeah, I didn't. And I cut the line thinking that, like, I'm going to free him from the, from the tangle of his main line. And fortunately, I cut the right line.

And so that all cleared and then he went up the safety line. Yes. So there was, like, another, like, 25 feet to go, or maybe it was only, like, 20 feet to get up to the next stop where you were going to switch lines and hook in for the next section. Right. So it was still very scary as Forrest was cutting one of my ropes. But I was pretty much stuck.

And it's funny because most of the people that were setting the lines didn't speak English. But like the guy who the Australian guy who explained to us how the climb was going to work, I remember him saying something to the extent of like when you're in between like when you're on each rock face. Like if something like no one's coming to help you. Right. Exactly. There's no ground. Yeah.

That's not a good thing to hear. Yeah. Well, and you know, for me, visualizing this funny point. part is I know you, Pat, and I know how scared you get in, like, unexpected situations. We were all scared, by the way. Like, we were sweating. It was gnarly. I mean, scared might not be the right word. Right. No, no, no. No one like, well, because he's, you're below him too. So, like, if he can't, you're fucked too. Yeah. I mean, look, when I cut the line, I had my, a death grip on his fucking harness. Not that I think I could have held on, but I was just like, I fucking hope this works.

Yeah. And, uh, yeah, thank God I had my leatherman. I mean, you know. Yeah. Then we got, we finally got up the top and they had a little treat for us. Booze? Yeah, just ice cold bottles of beer. Oh, nice. And we got to the top, had an ice cold beer and a sandwich. Dude. And then still have like another like four or five mile hike through the jungle to get out.

But honestly, man, it really is the little things like that. Like how much easier did it make the, the trek out? Just that you had that sandwich and that beer there for you. Oh, yeah. Like if you get that. Big morale booster. Oh, dude. Huge.

Those little things, ma'am. Yeah. No, that's a great story. It's funny because, like, you think, did Forrest really cut a line not exactly knowing what was going to happen? And that is something you would do. It is. I mean, this is the same trip. I mean, I was 90% sure.

Yeah. No, I mean, I wouldn't have let you do it if I didn't. I could see that there were two lines. The safety line was right there. Yeah. Forrest isn't the most, like, you kind of just do things quickly and impulsively. It drives my wife nuts. It drives everybody nuts.

Well, yeah. I like it. This is the same trip we're forced almost willingly drowned to death, swimming across the lake with his pack on his hat. This is true. Wait, wait, tell this story again. I feel like we talked about us in episode one, but I forget. It's very humiliating for me.

When you first descend down into the first cave that you have to get through to get to Sondung, there's a lake at the bottom. So you're basically just rappel down and then the, for the porters for the gear and for the crew there were these like little rafts available okay and forest was so mad because they made him wear a helmet and he was just fuming mad i was so angry tried to he kept taking it off like this bright yellow fucking like dork helmet and i was like this is not it he was so mad because we were filming him as he was rappelling down of course and we got the drone and he's just steaming because of the helmet and so then we like get our shit on the rafts

and forest, like, there's no chance I'm stepping on that raft. I was like, this is an adventure. I'm not going on a raft. I'm swimming across this ice cold lake. Yeah. That's the draw to you, I think, though, in general, is that you're like, you really are that way.

You're like, I don't want to wear this helmet. They're like, you've got to wear it. Didn't wear it once. Yeah. And so then, so we get across, we get the camera set to film him swimming across the lake. And so he floats his pack. It's super fucking cold, the lake.

I just want to point out, I played water pole. for like five years, right? Nobody cares. No, this is, shut up and listen. Sorry. Okay, I played like all through high school, first year in college on like an intermurals team. I was like, I'm a great swimmer.

I could tread water. The pack wasn't even that heavy. It was probably like 25 pounds. It wasn't even like, nice heated pool is the difference. Anyway, so I was like so confident. So he's got to, he's swimming with the pack over his head, trying to get his pack wet. Had a laptop in there. It's a big ass fucking lake because this cave, the ceiling's like 300 feet.

So the scale's all weird. I think the lake's a lot bigger than he thought. It's like nine Olympic swimming pools. And we start seeing him struggle. Yeah, we start seeing him struggle. Oh, man. And we're watching him struggle. And Mitch is on a long lens.

And I'm standing. And I'm looking at the little screen. I'm like, I like started and the water was like here. I was like nipples like fucking biceps. Of course. Like yeah, let's go.

It's like when he started jog out. You're just like sprinting. Yeah. And so now his mouth's dipping in and he's spitting the water out. Oh my God. And we're just like he's, he's really. struggling. And I say to Mitch, I go, I think he's drowning. I think he's going to drown. And Mitch is like, yeah. He's like, I think he is like, do we do anything? He's like, no, I think we just let him go. He's going to be so mad. And then, uh, I was already so pissed off. So we're like, we're waiting. We're waiting. He gets out, just basically walks out of the shot and just doesn't talk to anyone. He's just so fucking pissed. And so then eventually I just walk over to him. And we cut, you know, and we're going to get their tent set up and stuff.

And he's so mad. And I just walk over. He's taking his wet shit off. Just like sitting in this cave naked. And I'm like, you're going to need some time, huh? He's like,

yeah, I'm fucking, I'm out of it. I'm so pissed. So, you know, so funny, though.

Sorry, I don't interrupt you. No, I went to go, I walked over to you and I go, I could tell you're mad. I was like, you're really mad,

right? You're like, yeah. I go, you almost just drown, right? You're like, yeah. Admitted it. Yeah. Dude,

here's what's funny, though, that's like 28 year old season one forest or season two forest. Thirty five year old forest would be like, yeah, helmet the raft, like anybody got coffee? Like, let's go.

So what made you so angry in that moment? No, no, no. I mean, when you got over like when you got to the other side. It was just an accumulation. It was like in my head I'd painted up this picture of this like crazy adventure of like repell. And it was a crazy adventure by the way, but this was the start of it. Yeah. And I was just like, you know, it's like more people have been to the top of Everest than have been to

the bottom of this cave. And I was like, this is it. Like, we're fucking just getting out there. We're doing this thing. Nobody's done. It's so exciting. Saint Patrick had introduced me to. I never even heard of it. And then I started researching it. My fucking mind was blown. I was so excited about this whole thing. Yeah. And yeah. And then we get there and there's these like two fat, middle-aged Australian dudes. And they're like, yeah, you got to wear a helmet. might make sure you go behind me watch you step there sonny and i'm like dude dude dude do you know how many countries i've been to do you how many like cool adventures i've been on he's like don't walk off the trial might and i'm like dude i'm gonna fucking kill

this guy and uh and we get to the fucking game and he's like helmets on chaps and i'm like dude fuck you like i have my cool adventure hat i'm going on an adventure i'm not fucking putting this yellow helmet on and the guy's like yeah you're not going down there till your helmet goes on And I'm like, I'm going to fucking kill this guy. This guy's like, he's like fucking clinically obese. He's like 63 years old and he's telling me how to be safe. I'm like, fuck you, bro. Yeah, but we, because we wanted to explore other parts of the cave that weren't part of what they typically, we were, we had a destination, which was the rainforest in the second cave.

And the tourist, it's like, this is a thing you have to buy to do like a specific tour, right? 200 people a year get to go down in this cave. Yeah. And I do want to say that like it all opened up and we got down there. and they fucking chilled out about where we could step and the helmets and everything. But it was like, in my head, I was like, here we go,

greatest adventure of my life. And then there's a guy telling me where to fucking walk. You thought it was going to be like four full days of this level of babysitting. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it really wasn't. No.

And we realized we could, the guy who was the stickler, first of all, once you kind of got down in the cave, it was just, you're just going. Right. Right.

You're just walking and they, you know, they didn't have that much control of you. But the guy who was kind of the stickler for the helmet, we started giving him jolly ranchers. Yeah. And he was like, oh, if I'm a dick about the helmets, they're going to cut off this jolly ranch.

I'm not kidding. We got him fully hooked. I have a video. I'm going to send this to you. Kyle, don't let me forget this. We'll cut it in. Where he's like, he's got like nine jolly ranchers in his mouth.

He's like, you got to love these jolly ranches, might? And you're like, dude, nobody, but you like these candy. Yeah, I know. He was obsessed with the fucking those hard-ass jolly ranchers. Did we finish talking about what you need to do for Leatherman? Oh, no. So there's two ways. If you want a Leatherman arc, you do.

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Dude, you know what? You know what is what I like about you too? So I've listened to every story that you guys have from all the adventures multiple times on and off air. And literally I, the inside I just got into that story makes it so much better. And those are the things you could never show on TV. Do you know what I mean? Right.

On a YouTube or something you could or sitting here talking about it, you can. But like when you're making a show for Animal Planet, You can't be like, Forest and the plump Australian tour guide are arguing. Are arguing for 45 minutes. Like, that doesn't exist. Yeah, you don't get into the bribing. Yeah. Well, I mean, like, so.

Oh, God. And that was that, so that was the first night of camping. We camped right on the other side of that lake. Yeah. But it was like, I don't know, maybe a 10 or 15 mile jungle hike just to get to the cave. Yeah. Brutal hot. Brutal.

Brutal. Long, boiling hot. Boiling hot. and just covered, just to where everyone just gave up removing the leeches. Oh, yeah. So it was just like,

it was the end of a very, very long arduous day with gear. Everyone's just covered in fucking leeches all over your nuts and fucking dick. Dude, you don't, you don't really, I mean,

when you're watching on TV, you don't really take into consideration how taxing it is for the entire operation. Oh, the whole thing is crazy. like through this kind of production. And I also want to be clear, I was being a brat. Like, I mean, you are.

I should have just listened to the guy and been like, yeah, man, no problem. I'll wear the helmet. I know it looked fucking stupid having a bright yellow helmet on TV with like a camo outfit. But, you know, I should have just been like, yeah, dude, I'll wear the helmet, you know. And him and I, I don't remember his name. Do you remember those guys? No, because I was thinking it was Jepo, but Jeffo was in the Galapagos. Let's just call him Jolly.

It doesn't matter. Jolly and I, like, he was great, dude. He was awesome. Totally good by like the next morning. and they were like, do whatever you like. Yeah. It was just like the situation being exhausted. I think we did back-to-back shoots there too, didn't we?

Yes, we did. So we came off of one shoot and went right into that. Yeah, we were there for a month at that point. Oh my God. And we had already there for a month. We had gotten hammered and done nitrous like two nights before. Oh my God. Yeah, I mean, dude, there's always that that weird thing too

when you are meeting a group of people that you have to like work with or like accomplish something with where you're kind of like sniffing each other How's this going to go? Yeah. You have to set expectations, right? And one of those for me was always and still is like, okay, you're not telling me what to do. Right. I mean, like, I'm here to do a job, which is find this animal, do this film production.

I'm not going to be told, like, stand here, step here. Like, I'm not on your schedule. Right, right. And Pat's maybe a little more diplomatic about handling that. I usually come in like a bull in a china shop. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the dynamic between a producer and the talent.

Right. It's like, you know, but I mean, that's that's also what gives great moments. And to even expand on that, the fact that that is how it was and, you know, the anger and everything that was there, it's a moment on this podcast. It's like, dude, like, it's not on the show, but like it's like, it's a life thing that that happens when you're out there filming all this stuff. I always give you guys tons of shit for not being prompt and like available to record the podcast.

You do? But, you know, this story made me realize, oh, yeah, like, they got to be out there, like, getting the story. So it's true. This is true. Anyway, Thanksgiving's coming up. Yeah, so just real quick, what's the plan? What meal? I don't care about who is going to be there.

I'm going to continue eating, as I have for the past two months. I think we do this every year, but I adore turkey. Love it. He likes a tradition. I know you don't. It's okay. No, he likes Italian. I know. I know.

So what's the plan? No, I don't know. I think we're going to stay home. I'm trying to, Jessica, I want to stay home. Don't get mad. I want to stay home. Jessica, not me, suggested going to Mexico. Well, you can record from Mexico, so I'll approve. That's true. And I did. I take the Starlink and it worked. And usually I'm very drunk when doing it. But yeah, Jessica was like, why don't we take the kids and go down to Baja for, you know, over Thanksgiving, get away from our families. And so we're dabbling with that idea. But regardless, the meal is a nice oven-roasted turkey. Beautiful. Some mashed potatoes.

Not the sweet potato with the fucking marshmallows. Ew. Marshallows. That's what I want. My potatoes should not be sweet. No sweet. I don't want any sweet. Some green beans.

Gravy, so much gravy. Yeah. And then a nice pecan pie. Well, you've got to have gravy if you're going to have a shit-ass dry turkey. They're not, dude. Turkey's always dry. I mean, it's, unless you eat the leg. It's a meat.

that requires a slathering of butter-based gravy. We inject the butter into the- You guys are always given cooking tips on this show lately. I'm going to give you a tip. One episode in. Slather any meat you're cooking in butter, and it's better. It doesn't matter.

Just keep slathering it. What food do you not slather in butter to make it better? It's the secret to having a good restaurant. It doesn't matter. It's like, you want to get people coming down. I mean, look, the pilgrims had, there were wild turkeys running around. Yep.

they hadn't domesticated cows. Right. They didn't have that yet. Yep. Did they do ham? Like did they, were their pigs running around too? They probably brought pigs with them.

Oh, they probably did. But, you know, we have better options, guys. Let's, let's, let's get with the times.

I'm not a ham. I'm not a ham man. Have a nice. I think what I'm going to do is, I don't know if it's going to be open. But what I was going to do was, there's a, Morton's steakhouse,

like a mile from my house. I do like Morton's a lot. And I want the closest steakhouse so that I can still get it back and be hot, but my plan was to, like, order, you know, proper steak dinner, go pick that up, bring it to the home. And that's the only reason that's understandable. Usually I give you shit for such shenanigans on Thanksgiving.

You're going to have a two-week old at home. Right now, I have a five-day old at home. That's what I'm saying. Like, there's no world in which, like, you can get away with trying to make a Thanksgiving supper. I mean, your meal choice really did kind of bum me out right there, Pat. But I will say that it is accurate because, you know, you. You do have your new two-week-old daughter.

A bunch of big, nice fucking cageon rib-eyes with the whipped potatoes, the wedge salad. It's as depressing as the divorced dad going and eating with his son at the Denny's. I mean. Can we, so wait, let's hear your Thanksgiving. Then I want to play a game. I'm going traditional, man. So me and me and my wife, dude, the first year we met, we did, we did the traditional. And it was a thing we did.

We cooked together. We were drinking wine. This will be the first time she can like drink wine with me because she's been basically pregnant for two years now. Two years. Yeah. I'm just like stoked about it. We're going to have some cinnamon candles rolling or some kind of fall candle. Oh my God.

I like that idea. I'm super stoked about this holiday. And we're going to have. Family? No family. Well, I think the family will be. I don't know if we'll do it at that dinner, but we're going to have the, you know, we'll have, she'll be two months old or whatever.

And my son is however old he is. The two kids. I think I've got one. I don't know how old they are. You don't remember. I'm still in survival. Just don't fucking say months. Survival mode, dude.

There are 29 months. Like, shut the fuck up. I mean, you kids, too. 29 months. By the way, Pat, I can't believe how in, you know, like your demeanor for having a five-day-old. It's, it really is. It's real chipper. It's incredible.

I think, yeah. I mean, I don't know what you did. I pull it together for the, for the Brosners. You really good. You're good. One game. We're going to play one game before we wrap out. It's not going to be a battle royale.

Not today. No, no. We don't do that anymore? Well, we just haven't done one and I haven't thought of one. We play a game. Top 3 DFL. Oh, I think we have a jingle for that. Let's go to go.

We do. We definitely do. Kyle shaking his head now. What's the topic? It's fine. You spurred this by bringing up Morton's. Okay. Top three DFL steak cuts.

Oh, wow. Easy. It's important. Yeah, yeah. It's so easy for me. Go ahead. Okay. I had one the other day.

I'm good number three. Rib eye, dude. It's so good. Top. That's number one? No, number three. Okay. Number three. Yep.

Rib eye. It's delicious. It's fatty. I mean, dude, my wife doesn't... Is he going to do a full story on each one? Yeah, I think so. Probably. I mean, it might as well be a butcher. Doesn't eat the fat really. And I'm just like, give me that fat. If it's not rendered enough, it's horrible. No, of course. But if it's cooked... Chewy fat. Yeah. Yeah. And so number two will just be a T-bone, dude.

Because, you know, the... Probably my number one. Love a T-bone. The T-bone, the thing about the T-bone is, is that when you get towards the bone, it's the most delicious meat out there. It's so good. I love a T-bone. Oh, man.

That's funny, because I feel like most people don't consider it, but you and I are on the same wavelength. For sure, for sure. And again, I'm going, number one is going to be the New York strip. You can do it, bone-in or boneless. D.F.L.

Bone-in costs a lot. Don't, don't rush me. Oh, I didn't know we were doing it. I mean, I know I already talked about the bone, but, uh, DFL. God, I don't even know any other cuts. Oh, DFL, I'm going with, oh, my, sorry, Mom, if you listen to this. She doesn't. She used to fucking make a flank steak.

What the hell even is that? I think it's the diaphragm. I don't know what it is. I think it's the diaphragm of the cow. I thought that that's what a steak was until I was older and bought one at the store. And it's like, tough. It's gross. It says it's the lower chest or abdominal muscle.

It's the part of the cow that's made out of rubber. Yeah, it's the ab muscle. Sorry, my mind. I love you. That's a good DFL. Yeah, it is. Flank state. Forrest, what are yours?

Okay. I would say three to one. Third is a filet. Mignon. Like it, but I don't think it belongs in number one. Okay. Second, I'm also going to go T-Bone. That's where I'm going to put T-Bone for me as well.

Only because there's only one thing that beats it, which is prime rib. Oh, prime rib. So good. Good call. Done right. Oh, so good. So good. Melchie off in Santa Barbara.

You get one like this big for like 12 bucks. Yeah. Agreed. Slice it up. Those nice little neat slices. So nice. So soft folly of party. So good.

DFL steak has got to be. Oh, man. He's like I like them all. I do like them all, but it's, it's, it's probably a tri-tip, to be honest. It's kind of a garbage steak. It is. That's a good DFL.

I like tri-tip. I'll order a tri-tip sandwich, but it's kind of a dog-shit steak. Yeah, I disagree. I don't think that's that. I totally hear that. It's like, it's okay. That's all it ever is,

is you're like, yeah, that was meat. It's fine. There's a lot of salt on it. It's definitely the lowest of the ones you mentioned. I'll give it. Yeah. I'm going to go number three, rib-eye. Love them.

Sometimes they are too fatty. To New York. Hey, hey, hey, hey, slow. down. Slow down. Two will be New York. What about the New York do you like? Don't unrush him.

It's just, yeah, it's a perfect steak. I mean, it's like almost like a cross between a ribby and the number one, which is the fillet for me. It's got a lot going on. Love the filet. You know, the filet, everybody picks out. It's pretty lame. You know what?

I went through a phase where I was always getting ribby or New York and I'm just like, I'm going to get the one I like the most. Yeah, it's expensive. You'll pay the extra six bucks. Yeah, exactly. My DFL, this might be controversial. skirt steak. Skirt's good.

People like throwing it on the grill. I feel like it's really hit or miss. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty trash. It's a vessel for seasoning. Listen, it is. It is pretty trash.

It is dead fucking last. And out of all the stakes that we've selected, that that is, it's bad. Honestly, out of all the stakes that we've said, it's probably the worst. No, flank steaks the worst. You think flanks worse than skirt?

Yes. Now that I know the flank is the ab muscle. It does make you like it last. It's fucking, yeah. Some garbigh. Well, gents, this has.

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