Wild Times: Wildlife Education - Extinct Moose Spotted Twice, Jackalope Origins, & Mystery Animal Steals From Villagers

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

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Remember when we looked them up on Amazon and they were $38? Yeah. No, she found them at Target for 99 cents. Man. I'll tell you. Pool noodles squirt guns. They were filled with urine. Yeah.

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her face is submerged in the water. She's terrified. Yeah. It's, uh, like I want to say something about parenting or something, but the truth is he's just completely feral. That's it. He cannot be controlled. All little boys are, I've realized.

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You know what? With that, I saw a very interesting story. Kyle. What's in the news? Sir, news from the underground. Love that channel. Kyle. Hello.

Kyle. Pull up a picture of the thing. I want to talk about, please. Don't go to the headline. Don't go to the story. Just go to the picture. I want to show you guys something. Okay. Fort Collins, Colorado, lovely area. Ugh! Look at these rabbits. What the hell is that? These are bunnies that are hanging out in Colorado that are being spotted and reported to fish and wildlife constantly. So it's like a lion bunny or what? It's got a main of black spikes on it. This has been going around. I had a couple friends send this saying, what the fuck is going on? It's pretty gnarly. It looks like horns. Yeah, about 15 black.

black horns growing out of the car. I'll scroll down. I think there's a few more images. It's a tough look. It's a tough look. So this, this has got to be something like the Tasmanian devil face cancer thing, right? Pretty much. So the difference being this is a non-fatal thing that these rabbits are having. And it is, it's a disease that only rabbits can get. I forget what it's called if Kyle goes back to the article in a second year. Or what's it called there? I can't read that it. It's in one point font. Yeah, it really is. It's so tiny.

The chope, pepillomomopopepaloma virus. So papilloma is like herpes. Oh, I think HBV. HPV. HB, yeah, yeah. But yeah, so it's a type of papilloma virus that's completely harmless to humans. Humans can't get it. It is the only rabbits that can get it.

And apparently these tumors grow and then fall off. And it doesn't hurt them unless, you know, it happens to grow into their eye or into their mouth so that they kind of feed or something like that. But what I find the reason I wanted to bring this up. So first of all, people are seeing it and they're reporting them. I mean, I'd be grossed out. Like, I'm not grossed out by animals. You know, I do surgeries.

I do everything. If I touch that, I'd feel gross. Like, it makes my skins kind of wiggle. It's making my skin crawl. Get the picture off. It's very weird how it is just pure. It's a horn that grows pure black fur on it. Like, it's furry with regular bunny fur, but pure black, which is wild.

Type in the American jackalope, Kyle. You don't need to say American. But this is a thing that every bar in the Southwest, you know, little roadside bar has a, as a jackalope in it. Yeah, a xachydermied jackadermied jackalop where they take a deer or an antelope horns and they put it on a jackrabbit. Oh, okay. It's fake. I was like, I thought these were fake.

No, it is fake. But, Kyle, Google when the jackalope, because I think this has, I think there's a little tie in here. This may have contributed to the jackaloupe myth. When did the jackalope first appear in, you know, folklore? Let's see. What is the origin of the jackalope? AI will tell us. 1934.

Okay. Now go back to the disease article. When was that disease first, and go back to our show doc, actually. When was this first reported? 30s. 1930s. First identified in the 1930s by Dr. Richard E. Schope. There you go.

So I think it's pretty cut and dry. It's similar to when we talked about, and I did that Mysterious Creatures episode on the Ozark Howler and the American Red Wolf. I think this is the foundation of the American jackaloupe. You've cracked the case. I would say it's, you can't argue that. It's solid. Timing is perfect. Someone saw these.

People were seeing these little horned bunnies. Right. And then someone in Wyoming made a taxidermy jackalope. And that was it. It all took off. Right. It was in the newspaper. Even not, you know, like, yes, some of these are really horrific.

But if you type in the disease and the rabbit, I'll bet you you see some that just have one or two little spikes that look like, you know, the early foundation. So how does that go, right? You're a hunter. You're in the 1930s. You don't know anything about this. you come into this area of Colorado, you shoot a rabbit with tiny little horns.

And you're like, oh my God, this is a young rabbit. Imagine what these horns will be in 10 years, you know, in two years, whatever. And then, like you said, somebody taxidermies it, and that's it. It's all snowballs from there. If you're hunting Wabbit, do you think that... You just wanted to get that in. If you're a Wabbit hunter, would you eat this if you had shot it?

Would you just cut the head off? Honestly, I'll be honest. Like, I'm not a big hunter. We all know that. a lot. If I saw that in my garden, I'd shoot it. You would. Just to get it out of my guard. It just looks like a disease. It looks like the last of us is hopping around your backyard. It really does. And I just don't, I don't want zombie rabbits in my backyard. I do find it interesting that the papaloba virus or whatever, it's like it seems to be some type of the same,

well, the same whatever font. I don't know what's called. What do you call viruses when they're like a genus, species, whatever, of warts, genital wards. Strain? I don't know. This is somehow related to the genital wart virus. The peploma virus. You guys both have genital warts, right? Yeah, but they haven't flared up in ages. Well, yeah, they go away. Same way that they used to.

Dude. Yeah, that's yucky. Pat does not want to talk about it anymore. It's funny when you get to a topic like that because Pat gets the skin wiggles. And he just sort of shuts down. Yeah, I do. He just goes into himself and he's like, I'm not contributing.

I don't want to talk about it. It's true. It's an itch, man. My eyes are itchy now. Yeah, he likes looking at it. Normally he has a lot to say on most topics, but you can tell when it's icky. He does not like the icky. So let me get to some cheerier, less icky news.

Cheerier. And I've got an animal mystery for you. See if you can solve this. Riddle me this. So we're in New Zealand. Okay. Good eye. We're in Maranghi Bay.

Of course. New Zealand. I'm sure you know it. Myrongi. Right. Mm-hmm. So I was born there. Marangy Bay.

energy conservation is going on. A lot of people use clotheslines. Yeah, of course. We all did. They're clothes. Yep. A lot of silky boxers and panties. Yeah.

And a lot of socks, decadent clothing, are going missing. Oh, really? Someone had their $300 cashmere sweater out. Right off the clothesline. Right off the clothesline. Wow. Dozens and dozens of clothing items around this neighborhood. Yeah.

are going missing. Okay. It's related to an animal. Oh, really? Okay. Okay. Interesting. I definitely thought this was going to be like a pervert, like a guy. Initially, you would think that, right? It's like the butt snipper.

He moved to New Zealand. You stealing undies now. What kind of animal would just go around stealing panties and boxers? Okay, I'll go first. A non-native animal. Okay. The possum that was introduced to New Zealand that are now everywhere, which are a problem,

they're stealing these lovely, silky undies to make little nests for their baby possums. Nests make sense. So because the behaviors knew, that's why you're saying you think it's something that was introduced recently. But I'll say this is more along the lines of... Well, it was introduced recently

because it hasn't been happening. But don't be facetious. Okay, sorry. But I'll say this is a classic animal that's been living there and everywhere else. You have to say what it is. Shut your fucking big mouth. This is just rats, which have learned this behavior and are now passing it on just like the orcas are attacking boats.

They're talking to each other. Or either of us close. Sure, it is a mammal. It is an animal. Let me give you a clue. Okay. The animal, there's one solo animal doing this by itself. Oh, no.

An individual. An individual. Okay. And its name. Let's see if this gets me. It's a name. Its name is Leonardo DePinchie. How is that supposed to help?

Is it a crab? Yeah, it sounds like a crab. It's a crab or a lobster. Okay, Leonardo DePinchey is stealing undies off the clothesline. It's got to be able to get up to the clothesline somehow, either from the ground or climb the tree and climb the rope. It's a crow.

It's a crow. He's swooping in. He's hanging out on the clothes line. He's pinchy because he pecks people. Somebody hand raised him. He's a hand-raised crow named Leonardo DePenchi. I got to say it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a hermit crab that's learned out of climate a really big her uh no it is a house cat

Leonardo da Pinchie oh I was not expecting we have video assets oh no Leonardo returning to his oh my god look at him wow he's so smug with a sweater look how smug he is oh he's got the smug walk dude wait to you see how many socks he collected I must he's got a whole this is hilarious so look at this so that's all stuff he's stolen Yeah, so the owner, Helen, she can't contain her kleptomaniac cat. And so there's a neighborhood WhatsApp group where she posts. Oh, my God. Pictures of photos and people can come get them.

That's outrageous. Look at that. I mean, that's a department store. That's like, that's like $600 worth of fine clothing right there. Kyle, can you Google the name of the town? Was it Wairanga Bay? Myrongi. Myrongi Bay.

Can we take a look at this town? I want to know if this is a big town or a small town. I'm just glad that they figured out before some guy got mad and just like started shooting. Yeah, saw the cat and just shot it. Because now he gets to live and it's turned into a viral sensation. It's lovely looking. Beautiful.

Yeah. Everywhere in New Zealand, though, you just Google New Zealand and you're like, ah, that's really pretty. Looks awesome. Yeah. By the way, this was one day, a record setting day. Holy shit, that's one day of close, Thieberry? Geez.

I got something. It's prolific. Prolific. Cat burglar. Okay, we're talking about New Zealand. Last night, my buddy texted me something that's insane. It's insane. We looked at doing the New Zealand moose, I think, for season two of Extincter Alive.

You remember this? Yeah, vaguely. And then again, we looked at doing it in season three. And so what happened was in Fjordland, which is far south New Zealand, in Kyle, fact-checked this. I want to say the 1940s, they brought like eight moose over from Canada on a ship, landed on the beach, and they let the moose out. Okay. I'm wondering why, but... Because they let a ton of big undulates out in New Zealand

for people to hunt. Red stag. So there's nothing in New Zealand. There's a couple birds, right? There's nothing there. So when people first inhabited New Zealand... 1900. 1900.

Okay, so in 1900, they're... You know, they introduced red stag and deer and all these other things. And then they're like, let's get some moose. Like the habitat's perfect, just like Canada, right? So they released how many, does it say? First introduced... See if you can find out how many, Kyle. I think it says it says only a...

Few survive, but that could be anything. Yeah, but I think it was like eight or ten, right? Oh, it says 10, 10 moose. Okay, there you go. 1910, 10 moose were released in Dusky Sound, Fjordland. So I'm painting a picture for you here. It's a beautiful picture. Thank you.

So they released these moose. Now, for the next 10 or 15 years, hunters grace the cover of the local hunting magazine or newspaper of, I shot a moose, I shot a moose, like this guy right here. There it is. Yep. That's what they were there for.

Okay. Okay. That died out by, let's say, 1930. Well, yeah, because they killed the 10. Yeah, they put 10 moose out. They put 10 moose out and they said, go out and hunt him. That was the whole point of them. They'll breed and we'll have more.

Yeah. Now, since I'm making the dates up, but 1910, 1920, 1930, it's been presumed that the moose has been extinct. Okay, New Zealand moose has been extinct. Now, there is a guy there called New Zealand's Moose Man. I forget his name. and he's dedicated his life to finding them because these various reports have come out. Now, everybody sort of discredits this.

They go, yeah, they died out 100 years ago, you know, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Except the other day, I'm talking like two weeks ago, this guy's driving a boat. He's a regular boat captain. Picks up a couple Canadian hikers. Yeah. And that part of the story's important. Sure.

Throwback. And he goes, hey, how was your hike? Oh, it was lovely. We saw some birds. We saw, you know, we saw some waterfalls. and we had a great moose walk right by us. Get out of town. The boat captain goes, what?

Yeah, yeah, there's a moose right in front of us. They're from Canada. They think this is normal practice because they live in a place where there's moose all the time. Go to the text, Kyle. I just sent you a screenshot of a text. My buddy sent me.

Scroll down here. So he texts me this. I can't read. That's in half point font this time. He says, yeah, so basically these Canadians who know moose just made a throwaway comment to the water taxi guy that they had had a nice time and seen some birds and a deer and a moose.

And so it just created a huge thing. So, Kyle, you can Google it now, and you'll see that it's all over the newspaper because this didn't just happen to these Canadians. A week later, same thing happened. Another group came off the water and sort of inadvertently mentioned that they'd seen a moose. So all of a sudden, after 100 years, two people, two groups of people within two or three weeks of each other have seen a moose in New Zealand. I mean, that's pretty wild.

Like so, I mean, that's a big deal. Is this, is this an area where people aren't normally at or? Yeah. Oh, it's Fjordland. It's incredibly remote like Kyle just.

And massive. Yeah. Okay. Pull up. Wow. I've got to stop. Pill it up. Pull it up.

Pull up a picture of Fjordland, New Zealand. I mean, it's this big, super remote, rugged, beautiful habitat. And the only thing you can really do there is, you know,

there's a couple little towns or whatever. But then you hike and backpack and, Jesus is great He's the host of the podcast I've had half of one light strike He let the light strike Touch his lips And he's saying back

Papp Bapp Beautiful though I'm gonna stop talking But you get what I'm saying here Anyway the whole thing's crazy Because two instances Back to back

Same area More or less the same story Group of Canadians Who know what a moose is And they're not like They have no reason They didn't even know Moose weren't native

They literally just like Passing you know, eight generations. Right. Yeah. Beyond what we thought. Had survived. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, let me, let me, uh, let me pause at this question. This will be a dog leg. So if there's anything else you want to see about the moose,

you should probably get out. By the way, just look at these pictures of Fjordland National Park. It's so gorgeous. I did, I did a day's cruise there. Like you went out. I did the same one.

It was beautiful, though. Yeah. How many generations of humans do you think it takes to get back to the year 1,000 AD? Football. is back Monday night football tonight. We're going straight from the studio to my garage. Oh yeah. Have a few adult sodas.

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25 years ago. Yeah. So a human lives an average, let's say average 50 years. Yeah, but is that a generation or is a generation, is a generation a human lifespan? Yeah, like if you look it up, they kind of take a generation based on what the royalty

reproductive is. So I'd say 2,000 generations. No, that's, that's, well, okay, that's the worst. What? How is that bad math? It's great math. It's a thousand. Oh,

that's his answer. It's half. It's the other way. Sorry, 200 generations. Okay. 20. Okay. Wow. Forest has no concept of zeros. I mean, you just made another word flubber. That was a number flubber.

The point is, though, dude, it's way less than you think. It's like 10 to 15 generations that will get you back. And you think, like, because I always think like when somebody says, you know, like 100 generations of moose back, that's like 100 years. But people always say that. But in reality, think, like, you're great. great, great, great, great. So like five great's grandfather was alive in like the year 1500, like five generations ago.

How fucking crazy is that to think? I never met him. Well, but you know what I'm saying. My grandmother is 96. Like, you know, she was one of 14 children that her mother had because half of them were likely to die. Right. Of course.

Yeah. So that's, that's, that's my grandma. That's the 1800s. So she's 90s. So basically like the early 1900s. And yeah, literally four or five of her siblings died while she was growing up. You know, and they lived on a farm in rural South Africa and all of that. But still, like her mom had seven kids expecting that half of them would die.

Well, dude, and you think like so even just two generations ago, we didn't even have basically electricity, every house running water. And it's wild to fucking think that, you know. And then when our kids, it's going to be like they're going to be living with just AI. tech robot fuck buddies, you know. Plugged into their brains. It's just wild. Dude,

I think about that just living in Los Angeles where like you have to have air conditioning in the summer. Yeah. I'm like, oh, people lived here for more than a century without AC. Yeah. In wool clothing.

Imagine that in like Arizona. Dude, everyone must have stunk. Imagine being in Phoenix in the summer. Yeah. 50 years ago. No. It's,

I just read a stat. So, you know, Arizona had basically back in, at the end of the, summer there like it's big it like it's worst most record-breaking heat that it's i think ever had and it was like it was uh 400 people had died by the time it was the end of july in in arizona stroke from from heat sorry from heat alone well dude we do you know that this has been the coldest summer in southern california on record it felt yes i've been like what's going on i don't think

we had that day we went to your house was one of the only nice days the summer yeah seriously It was a nice day. It was like, it's been 62 degrees at my house every single day of the summer. Great. I love it. I am against it. Summer is my time to go out on the water on the boat and I have not been able to. The Middle East is literally becoming unlivable because of the heat.

It's like 120 Fahrenheit plus. Yeah, but they're just building giant long cities and stuff that it's, I don't know. It just baffles my mind. When do you think the mass migration is going to start happening to like the Midwest? So the Midwest. That's where I want. It's going to happen to like Alaska. Oh shit.

Yeah. When it gets a... Anyways, I just thought the generation thing. It blew my mind the other day. And then I started thinking, sorry, more longer diatribe, how great it used to be... I was it 2,000 generations. I know.

Each generation's four months. And you get to get to a thousand, you go back 2,000. It's 1,500 years. That math work. Yeah. I doubled it instead of half did it. But I was thinking about like, man, how great did it used to be? Like, you could kill so much time just positing

bullshit questions like that. I think that's like why it's kind of fun on the podcast because instead of just like immediately going to like Google or AI, we actually like figure things out. You have to talk through it. Yeah. Well, so yeah, anyway, it was a cat.

Oh yeah, back to that. Sorry. Yeah. Clubtoe Kitty. So we got a new segment that we're doing. Okay. We started it on the last pod. Oh, yeah. And you got a good one lined up. Ditor Destination of the week? This is the detour destination of the week. Brought to you by

our friends at Toyota. So this is where we share ideas for road trips, cool places where you can get out and have an adventure. Usually Forrest is going to lead it because he adventures the most. True. These are not expensive trips. No. These are easily attainable.

Easily obtainable. Here's one for you. Really fun one, easy to do. Okay. Okay. You got yourself a day. You're in or around the Miami area. Okay.

You grab your Toyota, whatever it happens to be. This can be a Camry. It do not matter. Love it. And you head east on the 41. Check that, Kyle. And you head out into the swamp, into the Everglades. Now, there's lots of things you can do.

You can go to the beautiful Shark Valley, where you can ride a bike and you can see alligators and turtles and egrits and all kinds of things. You can go down to Everglades City. Grab yourself a key lime pie milkshake while looking at American Cross. Rocketow? Sounds yummy. But the one thing that you cannot miss outside of the wildlife while you're there, somewhere that Patrick and I have been together.

You know what I'm going to say? Oh, yeah, of course. The skunk ape headquarters. Oh, okay. That sounds, uh, Kyle, do you know what this is? He must. Never heard of it. Okay.

Sorry. It's a must stop. It's a must stop. So it's on the side of that highway, whatever number Kyle was supposed to look up there. I think it's 41. Yeah. This is fantastic. It's the one.

I'm seeing pictures already. The one that gets you to the Everglades from Miami. Yeah, exactly. And you're driving down this highway. It's a two-lane highway, one direction each way. It doesn't feel like a highway. That is what a two-lane highway is. What is that?

And you will see a skunk-cape, which is Florida's version of Bigfoot. Okay. It has several nipples and shaved areas. All of whatever that is. He's out front. You pull over right there. You go in, you meet the delightful rednecks that run the place. You buy, here's what you do.

You see the snakes because they have a whole bunch of snakes on display. Yep. That's in the skunk cape head quarters. That's a big-ass snake. Go to the exhibit. see if there's more pictures. You got snakes there, you got turtles. You can go on an airboat ride right behind there.

Like in a kind of like, well, the equivalent to what a rice paddy is, like a swamp? It's just a swamp. Okay. The world's, the America's largest ones called the Everglades. Okay. But you go on an airboat ride. You see the snakes, but here's the thing. It's ridiculous.

There's all this alligator stuff. There's like Florida man, Florida man running it. There's animal exhibits. There's a gift shop at the gift shop. when you're there, it's the best place to buy your 5-year-old a blow-dark gun. Oh, nice. True story.

Yes. We got one in college. It was the best fun. It's the best. You could try and shoot flies with it. You could shoot your buddies with the little rubber stoppers. You have the pins to shoot into things. Yep.

Man, it's a good stop. You put a little aphrodisiac in there, shoot your lover that you want to be your love. That's interesting. Sure. Is that weird? You could do something. I'm telling you the Skunk ape headquarters. when you're spending a day in the Everglades,

it's a cannot miss. How did you guys come upon the Skunk Ape factory place? We were shooting there, right? I don't know because I filmed there a couple times. I filmed there, Steve Ronella. I can't remember if we were filming and why we went. I forgot to mention this. Right behind the Skunk Ape headquarters,

a little Airbnb, you can stay in these little villas. Oh, that's beautiful. Isn't that looks awesome? With the ponds behind and they're cheap too. I don't remember what they cost. A little wooden ladder up into the loft area for a second sleeping area. Oh, yeah.

Oh, a little bench under like a very old palm tree. This is old school Florida Everglades. This honestly looks awesome, man. It is. It's great. You got to do away with the screens. There's not a lot of service out there anyway. Perfect.

And boy, it's a tree. I also believe it's called the Skunk Ape Research Center. Okay. I'm pretty sure. It might be that. It's mostly a gift shop. Yeah. But yeah, Skunk Gabe Research Headquarter.

The owner famously took a Skunkape video. Oh, really? And Kyle, got to find that. Skunk ape video has obviously profited off it. To the point of making a... Dave Shealy. Yeah, he's the owner. Heard it. This must be it.

From July of 2000. The skunk ape. So this is like the equivalent of that one big foot video that's very popular, but it's a skunk ape. I mean, look at that. That's, I won't say it's definitive because it's obviously a guy in a gorilla suit, but it's pretty definitive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I've talked to Dave. He, uh, you know, he swears that it was not a, his buddy and a monkey. suit. Yeah. Well, but I'm still curious, like, you guys went there for a reason. Yeah, I think it's cool. Well, I, I've shot like three or four shows in that part of the Everglades. I think Patrick has two. I forget if we were on a scout or we were shooting one of them, but we just stopped in for an hour. Okay, got you've been there probably 10 times now. Yeah, it's like, you go back now because you're like, this place is sweet. You got to stop there. Here's the thing. Love it. 10, 15 minutes from there is Everglades City, which is not a city. Don't be

fooled. It's a tiny little town. Yeah. There's two restaurants. There are restaurants there. One of them has one of the most delightful food items in the entire world. It's the one that has the toilet out front. There's like a toilet with plants grown out of it. Don't remember the name of the town. They have a key lime pie milkshake there. That's it. That's it. Camila Street Grill in Everglades City. They have a key lime pie milkshake at this place. Yeah. It is to die for. It looks like a nice little place. They got it kind of seafood there and then you get your nice little dessert. You're looking at it, Kyle. You don't need to Google anything else. It's Camila Street Girl. I'm telling you. 100%. There it is. That's it. Oh.

How far is Miami from Orlando? I'm bad at geography. Very, very far. Like five hours, four, five hours. Yeah. I was like, why didn't we go when we were animal cut? But it's only like an hour, hour and a half from the Everglades. What, this? Miami's only an hour. Yeah, this is an hour from these spots we're talking about. Yeah, yeah. Hour 20, something like that. It's great, man. I'm telling you, it's such a good. What's that highway? Was I right? Was it 41? Yes. Yeah. Yes. You are great. I got it. Oh, Jeannie's Blue Crab Cafe, that's where I've always eaten. There you go. Yeah. Dude, I'm telling you.

You've probably eaten there. Oh yeah, the little shack on the side of the road. Yeah, exactly. I get gator bites when I go there. Oh, yeah. One of those. I've met Gini, too. She's great. No, you eat gators. Yeah. I've eaten at at least ten times. Yeah. Gator, I heard, it's pretty good. It's like chicken. I had a gator brought at Vener Schmitzen. What's it called? What? First cushion. I don't think it was at Wiener Schnitzel.

I said Viener Schmitz. You son of a bitch. There's the Gator Bites. Next one down. That's Gator Bites right there. I'm telling you, man, that that part of the country is awesome. Yeah. It's great. Awesome. Yeah. And it's easy. Anybody can do it. If you're in South Florida, take that 41. It's worth the extra drive. There's so many things you can do down there. Great food. Skunk Cape headquarters. And that is your destination detour brought to you by Toyota.

All right. Did you guys see the video of the very large, what was believed to be a dog in the video that came out of England? That's not specific. Not enough information, but no. A large dog in England. What was believed to be a dog. An unknown creature was filmed out in Normandy, North Yorkshire. And it was, in fact, the biggest rat that has ever been recorded on Earth. No.

Is that true? Let's see this. No, I mean, that part up. But it is a huge rat. Also, that's bad, because this is where the Yorkshire Terrier is from, and they are ratting dogs. Oh, so they eat rats? They were bred to kill rats. They would put them in the rafters of castle.

That's the size of a beaver, by the way. I just see a bag of a plastic bag. Yeah, I just see, yeah, what is happening? 22 inches long, the rat. Holy shit. That's not possible. Is that just a regular rat? Are there more photos?

Why couldn't they leave the, let the rat live and just relocated? I feel like at that point you're killing like a, like a cow or something. It's like a freak. It probably got hit by a trap. Although I don't think there's a trap that would contain that beast. The sewer rat was anything but common, measuring a staggering 55 centimeters long when it was discovered inside the family's home. My favorite quote is right below that. Yes.

That splinter from the teenage mutant ninja turtles. But local counselors have raised calls for action. They say the rat is just an example of the area's overflowing rodent population. I don't understand this. But I don't understand this. Just get, you're literally in Yorkshire. Get more Yorkshire terriers. The dog that you guys create.

hated to kill rats. I don't think a Yorkshire Terrier could take that thing on and that's part of the problem. My mom had a Yorkshire Terrier and he was this big. Yeah, it's big is this big. It is twice the size of a Yorkshire Terrier. Yeah, that's really interesting. But I see the problem has now gotten, you know, I think the real problems are so big they have to breed a whole new breed of dog. What do you think's going on here? Do you think it's something in the food or in the water? Oh, no. I think that human waste has gotten to the point where every, like there's so much, I mean, not specific food. So you think the rats are just eating. in excess so much that they're getting huge.

So much waste. Like they can just go to a dumpster and eat like literally you know, like a giant Denny's meal worth of food. Did I tell you guys about the rat that I had in my wall? No. Dude. So we fucking heard some shit

in the wall behind the kitchen cabin. Oh man. This was like a while ago. Yeah. God damn it. Fuck. And then I'm like, yeah, it's a rat. It's a rat. I can hear it scurrying around. And so I get the test control company to come out. They move the fridge out. They see where the rats

coming in and out of the house. Oh, and I'd found a couple pieces of rat poop. Ah! In the kitchen. Yeah, you did some tracking.

And so he's like, yeah, he's got it, he's fucking collecting fruit. Okay. There were like grapes and he was coming into the fucking house and at a collection of fruit.

Why didn't you just put a trap out? What did you call an exterminator for? I didn't know where it was, dude. It was in the wall. We were not all animal people for us. Relax. You could put a rat trap out.

I think you didn't want to kill the rat. Wait, wait. I did. Go on. Go on. You're saying. Torture the rat. You're saying.

Because it would shake. It was like shaking the fucking cabinets and shit. I know. And so we get the trap up in there. He puts, he deploys traps. Yep. Good. First night I hear it.

We're watching TV. Swap. It looked like the cabinets were about to fall down. God. I mean, he was running with it. So I text the guy. I'm like, got one. It's like eight o'clock.

He's like, how come? Oh, that night. Yeah, he came. Good service. So he gets it. And, uh, me and my wife don't I'm like I don't want to see this yeah yeah and so it's like they're outside and I see them laughing yeah and he took a picture of the rat uh-huh and he I'm like was it big

I'm like what they're laughing about something yeah and he's like yeah it was like this big no way yeah yeah yeah repicting basically a football wow and uh I go oh man I was like what's the biggest one you've ever caught and he makes the same gesture is this the biggest one you've ever caught He goes, oh, yeah. Wow. So I had the biggest rat, this professional, had ever seen living in my wall. Wow. Collecting fruits. And he said, he's like, it probably befriended the cat.

No, that's what he said. That's what he said. Wow. So, dude. Oh, come on. There were pieces of dog food. The dog bowl is 70 feet away. Yeah.

He's out there collecting, hunting and gathering out there in your living room. Dude, if I had an interior. like security camera and I saw that thing raiding the dog food. You'd move. I would have burned the house down. Dude, pro tip, not a sponsor, but I'll tell you guys, you know the rat problem at my house. Yeah. You've been in the trees.

Yeah, so we have tons of rats because we have the barn where we store all the animal food, Peter. Big outdoor thing going on. Yeah. And so, you know, literally last night, I went out with a pellet gun and I shot like six of them because they've gotten bad again recently. But until recently, I just, this is just a tip for you guys, not a sponsor or anything. There's a product called Vam. moose. I don't like the chemicals and the pesticides and stuff, right? We have guinea fowl and we have turkeys and all the birds and animals. The kids, my kids are feral. They'll eat pesticide.

They're dumb. But I found this product. Company called BugMD makes a thing called Vamoose and it's made from essential oils. Maybe Kyle can figure it out. And they figured out that the certain combination of essential oils is actually a rodent repellent. So they make these little scented bags and we put them in by our barn where the food is and the rats won't go in the barn. That's great. It actually works. Yeah, no, I believe it, dude. They hate the smell. They hate the smell. This thing, I guess.

Like an ex-girlfriend's perfume. Yeah, but it's not like, I'm not going to kill my kids or my animals or anything. It just keeps the rats away. It's really great, dude. So put one on your wall. These fuckers are gone. Trust me. It's been a year. I told them, I was like,

give me the Fritz Bernays go everywhere. Go everywhere and seal everything where a rat could come in. I can't have another rat. And he, by the way, discovered that there was a skunk that was trying to rip a hole through my roof.

Ah. So he patched that up. What's the matter with Lemley not doing his job? She's fucking old, man. You've really made it confusing because everybody doesn't know. Is Lemley a non-binary because nobody knows the gender.

I changed Lemley's gender to female about six years ago. But it is, in fact, he was born a man. Lemley was born, was assigned female at birth. So Lemley's always been a female cat. A sign. I was told that I was receiving a male cat.

That's why. All right. I was always wondering. Then there was like, oh, surprise, it's not. Oh, that's so. So then I just raised Lemley as a boy. I'm still really picturing. So this rat had a just a fruit bowl in your wall.

Yeah. And a cornucopia. Do you? It has a morguezbored. And, like, probably was offering the cat, like, treats to keep it away. You think Lembs was coming by and the rats just, like, rolling a great bathroom. The exterminator even said he's probably, like, befriended your cat. He's probably doing food offerings.

That's nonsense. Can't have a rat in the house, man. No, it's really gross. By the way, very expensive house. And it's like, it's just funny to me. Like, there's, it doesn't matter what fucking you pay for your house. No. There is always problems.

Oh, it will never be good. There's condos in New York City that are worth $100 million. Overlooking Central Park. They have the same cockroaches. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

New York City. But by the way, also, I was just, I was saying, dude, rat problems are in every city. Like, so when people are complaining about rat problems, like, when I was in Chicago, I would see giant rats just in the streets fucking running around. I'm like, Kyle, what have you found here? What is this? Wow. What is going on here?

So if you're just listening, Kyle has just pulled up a photo. Peter, can you describe that photo on the right? There is what looks like Homer Simpson with a tiger's head peeking out a window at a guy, NYPD officer who has slunked down the side of a house and is looking directly into a fat tiger's eyes. And is holding a rifle. Don't forget that part while wearing a hard hat. He's hanging off the side of a building with a rifle and there's a 430 pounds. tiger trying to get through the window to kill it.

And allegedly, this is in Harlem, according to that Instagram post. What's going on, Kyle? This is a picture that Tommy loves. And, yeah, it's just a picture of a tiger that was living in someone's New York apartment. Oh my God, that was just living there like with the owner? This is, remember in the other pod where I was like, don't think that there aren't, what were we talking about? Mountain Lines in upstate New York or hyenas and up.

This is the same thing. This guy went to Friggin' South Carolina and bought himself a tiger, guaranteed. Look at this. That's a lion. That is a lion. Can you imagine what this guy's apartment smelled like?

So how did they find out about this thing? And like, oh, he's living in like the tub. Okay, now there's an alligator. What is happening in this video? NYPD officer recounts capturing a 400 pound tiger in New York City apartment. So the guy must have gotten scared and called the cops. I'm guessing someone saw it out that window.

Yeah. If I saw it, I'd be like, I wouldn't call it. New York City, you know, you're walking around and you look up at the buildings and there's a tiger pressed up against the glass. By the way, roaring at you. There's not a piece of glass known to man that can contain a tiger that wants to get. I want a tiger. Was that his owner with a broken arm?

That was him. Oh, he died. Oh, he's a knight. So he lived to 19. Ming, Tiger of Harlem. So it's actually like a pretty famous, loved by many. Interesting. So this seemed to be not like a.

Well, he was loved by many once he went to the zoo. I'm certain. I don't think they're implying that people would swing by the apartment and say hi to him. I'm so happy. He was born in Minnesota. I'm so happy that they rescued him. They put him in the zoo or the sanctuary and he led a nice long life. That's great.

It's great into the story. It's just insane what people do. The picture is bananas. Dude, animal hoarding is one of the most revolting things. And it's like a real thing. Ask this guy. He worked on an animal hoarding show. Did you really?

It was my first executive producer job. Was it was it the hoarding show? the one that was on like TLC? No, it was just... Horders? No, it was back, um, Animal Planet asked the company that made intervention.

They were like, what's our intervention? Uh-huh. When intervention was like crushing. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like, oh, we could do like animal hoarding intervention.

And so then my agent called and was like, hey, because I hadn't been a showrunner yet. Yeah. And he was like, got this job. You got to move up to Vancouver. Oh,

no way. It was in Vancouver. Yeah. So I moved to Vancouver for seven months and made, uh, the animal hoarding show. Wait, is, is there a lot of animal hoarding specifically in Vancouver? No, it was being, you know more about this subject than I do. Please tell me more. It was being produced out of Vancouver as a co-production with a Canadian company to take advantage

of tax credits. But they were allowed to bring in an American showrunner. So was it just people with tons of cats or did you get like, you know? Yeah, give us, give us the, the grimyest, grossest. Definitely quite a few dog hoarders, a couple cat hoarders. One guy who, was hoarding chickens that lived in his house with him. Oh, my God. Just constant. They shit like every five minutes. One guy had like 15 or 20 bull mastiffs for mastiffs.

God. My son's raising, I just want to dog like this for one second. He's raising three chicks that he hatched from our chickens right now. Okay. And so to raise him, you put like a brood lamp down and you put them in a cardboard box, you know, and you change the paper every day. Yeah. They fucking stink, dude.

They are already stink. The laundry room smells so bad right now. And, you know, it's fine when he changes the paper, but then by one o'clock in the afternoon, it stinks again. Because they're just shit in every 10 minutes. I can't imagine having, that's two chicks that are literally this big or three he has now. Yeah. I can't imagine having 15 chickens in a house.

Yeah. The smell must have been outrageous. So I didn't go to any of the shoots, thankfully. Because I just stayed there and coordinated stuff and I didn't have to go. Yeah. Two camera guys bitten by dogs during the shoe. Jeez. But yeah,

I mean, like, you know, 15 mastiffs living in a garage. Oh, I'm guessing. Yeah. Most of the people just wanted help and wanted,

you know, what the show did was got, helped them find homes for the animals without getting euthanized. Oh, that's good though. And if you're, clean their house. And if you're sort of turning yourself in where you're like,

look, I've, I've got in over my head here. Yeah. Like, it's kind of admirable. But yeah, there was one,

uh, one moment from the show is a cat hoarder and she had over a hundred cats. Oh my God. How many kid those her boxes? I'm probably not that many. Nine. Zero. But they, you know, the cleanup crew

was like doing their thing. It was like, you know, they'd remove the animals and then they were cleaning the house. Yeah. And like she had this sofa with an ottoman and they lifted up the ottoman and there was a fucking family of possums living under the ottoman.

No. Inside the house that the lady didn't know about. Wow. Well, 100 cats, how the hell are you going to know what other? She's just like, look at those cats. Yeah. They look weird. I thought I heard some weird hissing noises.

Dude, it's funny because I feel like there's a lot of people that are, this is going to come out the wrong way and upset some people. But they're almost like reptile hoarders, but they're not really. Because most reptiles, like most snakes and stuff can live in a shoebox, right? And I don't agree with keeping them that way, but lots of people do. They make reptile racks that you can just rack your snakes and stuff in. Interesting. Yeah, check it out. Look up like a snake rack, Kyle.

It's like a very common way to do it. Like you breed them in these racks and things because snakes don't really need a lot of space. So you can literally buy these racks that you can have 100 snakes in, 200. Look at that. So those are full-time enclosures. The animals just live in that rack. But that to me, damn. Like that's normal.

That's not uncommon at all to have a rack like that. And to have, you know, some of those will have three animals in them. And in each of those. Like, are you just kind of collecting at that point? Like, so what we're looking at is a picture. of a rack with probably 200 cubbies in it. Yeah, right. But that...

Like, are you playing with each snake every day? No. Or like you're trying to breed and sell them? I mean, that is definitely a thing and people do that. And you have a snake room like that and you breed them and you sell them. But it just to me, and I'm different to, you know, like I have a few, plenty of animals, as you guys know, mostly rescue animals. But where's the joy in that?

There is none. It's collecting, dude. Because there's no display. Do you know what I mean? Like, the reason I love my animals that we have, like our turtle tanks and our snake is there's a display. Yeah. And it's like,

I will watch the turtle tank when I eat breakfast like I'm watching TV. Sure. I'll sit there. I'll feed them with the kids. That's just work. You're just cleaning that every day

and you're not enjoying it. Yeah, you're zookeeper. There are, I realize as I get older, there are a lot of things I will never understand that other people do. Such as?

And that's that. I mean, this for example. But could you understand keeping like one big, beautiful terrarium with a snake or a lizard or something like? I can.

You add your hermit crab. No, No, no, I can. And the joy I got out of the hermit crab was watching it thrive. Right. Trying to give it an environment where I could like watch kind of the beauty of life evolve. You know, like, and then there's like something like this, whereas Pat said it's like you're collecting animals. And that's like what I'm saying.

Like it's a totally different mindset. Like you're collecting stamps of different colors or something, you know. Yeah. And so there's some things I'll just never understand. Like math. People who like math. They are the worst. Kyle, Kyle, what did you get?

You just got something, didn't you? Pet? Yeah, I have two Iberian newts. Let me see what these look like. They're very cool. In fact, can you show your photo of your tank? He, like, escaped a beautiful tank. It's about time you got some animals.

And they're albinos. Yours are albino ones. That's been an integral part of a animal podcast for three years. Kyle's got two of these guys. I have three fish tanks. And these are. Wait, you have three fish tanks now? Yeah.

Oh, he's lost it. He's lost the twas. He's hoarding. He's hoarding. But I get him on the show. When we went to the reptile show, I was trying to convince Kyle to get some frog. That's right. And he thought about it.

He's like, I can't. I can't have the responsibility. Yeah. So it's smart. Let me just ask you. Yeah. Did you get a girlfriend and then decide that you could bring on some pets because you're settling down? No, no.

Frogs seem like more work than fish to me. Did you or did you not get a girlfriend, though? Are you or are you not settling down? No. But you've really taken to the aquascaping thing. I enjoy it. Have you not? Yeah, I like it.

So what's the joy you get out of this? It's like living art. Do you know what aquascaping is? Are you guys familiar with that term? Not exactly. I can imagine. Pull up Mark Chen. Designing cool aquariums?

Yeah, but it's like a big thing in its own field. And I totally get it. Go to his Instagram. This guy, Mark, is a friend of mine. He builds the most insane terrariums and aquariums you've ever seen. that's in somebody's house. Yeah, what's the maintenance on that? How many hours a week?

I don't know. Somebody is paid to do it. I think they make them pretty self-sufficient because the plants filter the water, you know, the water, I don't know. I mean, I think for something like this, you could probably get away with like one hour a week. I agree. Really?

Yeah. And it's the other thing that you don't get that I think Kyle's clicked on to. And I'm not as, as I haven't done what Kyle's done yet, but it becomes incredibly meditative. Yeah. So you're like clipping your plan. plants and you're fiddling with your tank. And that's what my son and I do with our fish tank. We're fiddling with it all the time. Oh, let's move that rock there and we should add this kind of

fish and, you know, let's change the filter set up. And it's just like it's a, it's a meditative thing that you fiddle with that is living art. And there is something really nice to that. I saw, I saw the other day, and you could probably look us up, Kyle. I think it was a you're fiddling with your son. Oh, well, what did Peter say in the other one? He said something about you. He was pushing it into his son. I wanted to beat it into his brain. But yeah, I said pushing into his butt by accident. No, but there's there's a, I saw a picture of a, it was either a thousand or a thousand plus year old bonsai tree, dude. So cool.

And like, you know, could you imagine like the work and like the passing down and the delicacy as that thing gets older of just like, they're hard to keep alive. Yeah. And like it's a very, you have to prune them to just the right trimage and you have to make sure they get the. The perfect moisture. Imagine if it dies on your watch a thousand years later. How devastating. You might, you might K-O yourself, I think.

Oh, yeah. Where is that? Like a temple? It's got to be. That one is. There's a few, dude. There's multiple that are like over three, four hundred years old,

which is just incredible to me. I always, I've said this before on the podcast, like looking at a sequoia, like a giant sequoia or something that's been there. Yeah. For a thousand years. You're like, this thing was there.

You're like, the civil war. See everything. through like the dark ages. Like, and it's just like wild to think. It's crazy. Probably the mushroom fungus, uh, communication network that's underground.

I don't even see is, has been like, yeah, there's, there's, there's Sequoia in Yosemite that are pre-Christ. That's so wild, dude. Oh, man. Humans just like have constructed this whole history anyways. Hey, cow. Let's play a game. Hey, that's new.

I like that a lot. That's nice. Very nice. What do you guys? This is the weird animal laws game. Oh, I love this game. Oh, that's a good one. Explain how it works for the new listener.

There's a sentence here that Edwin either found on the internet or made up. Uh-huh. And it's a law or a fake law around the world. And you guys are going to guess is this? Sure. I've never gotten one wrong. Let's go. It could be.

First one. In Alaska, it is illegal to wake a sleeping bear to take a photograph. A hundred percent. This is a law. Because that's ridiculous. Why would anybody do that? It should be a law. And, yeah, not even tough.

Three for true. And I'm going to say that this was a law made because some idiot did it. Like they crawled into a den and started taking selfies. He's happy to press the aunt button. He's going to. Ah, we're right. This is a true law. Yeah, it says this is a real Alaskan law aimed at preventing dangerous encounters with bears.

So this is where they pull off the side of the road. Yeah. And they go, hey, hey. Hey, hey, bear. Wait, speaking of really quick dog leg from the game, Kyle, pull up the thing that I sent in our WhatsApp group this morning from Yosemite. Oh, this is great. Did you look at it? Yeah, of course I looked at it. Watch this.

This is insane. So I always think of Bison, it's up. I always think of Bison as being pretty docile. Look at this. Here they are crossing the road. Oh, my goodness. Like a full on football tackle charge. If you're one of those people thinking about getting out of the

car to take a selfie with a bison, watch this video. Dude, another bison. So how much do they weigh first of? A thousand, 500? Several thousand. Several thousand. Damn. And he just moved him like 10 feet. Kyle's just giggling. He likes his video. I was,

Kyle, were you giggling because at the end, the other bison just kind of like took his lumps and like sulked away? I mean, yeah, well, one, it's just, it's crazy video. But yeah, that bison just could not care less. He's just like, punted across the field. He's like, I'm okay over here. I'll just feel over here now. The sheer power of that's crazy. Oh, my God. You could probably turn a car over.

For sure. But anyway, this plays into what Pat was just saying of the people going, hey, hey, bison. Hey, stupid bison. All right. One point across the board. The next one is, in the city of Melbourne, Australia, you are not allowed to have a dog in your car unless doing a hook turn. Does anybody know what a hook turn is? A you turn?

Unfortunately, I do know what a hook turn is. What is it? Look, you've heard me express my displeasure with Australia on this podcast many times. I don't know why it's so funny. Because they just do everything so stupidly there. And a hook turn is the dumbest thing. Okay. So imagine you're turning left.

Okay. A hook turn, which is the only way you can turn in the city, is instead of being in the left lane to turn left, you have to be in the right lane to turn left. So all the other cars are going past you. That is. And then you have to turn from the furthest. out lane. And you have to wait for all the other cars?

Kyle, I know this because Kyle nearly got into a terrible accident when we're shooting a Shark Week show there. Is it not the dumbest driving thing you have ever seen in your life? It's really dumb. It sounds very dangerous. It's really stupid. Look, this is a hook turn. So, yeah, Kyle's showing an animation of it. So that would be a normal turn. But no, in Melbourne, you go into this little lane. You have to pull into the stupid box in the middle of the intersection. Wow. And then just like, maybe the light will change for you or maybe it won't. No one knows. And that's how... Oh, the other car was going straight.

Bro, it's... Dude, insanely crazy that somebody was like, here's a good way to navigate. But it's also like... I gotta look at stats on this. It's crazy. It's also like you clearly, you clearly like are intentionally

trying to make it so people that aren't from here do not want to drive here. I was stopped in the middle of the road and like honked at, yelled at, like, almost crash. No sense at all. It's crazy. I have enough trouble with a roundabout,

or I did. Now I understand him. Because they're more prominent. Who's the idiot engineer that was like, okay, here's the thing. We want to turn right. We're going to make him go all the way to the left. So into oncoming traffic, into a little box in the center. I don't care what is said here.

Kyle is in the city of Melbourne. You aren't allowed to have a dog in your car unless you're doing a hook turn. It can't be real. So you just have to be doing a continuous hook turn. That's what it says. So it's not possible. that that could be a law. No.

So you have to drive to get to the hook turn and then a dog magically appears. It hops in. It's a false law. False law. I mean, is Edwin thinking? But listen,

he's trying to trick us. No, no, but it's so convoluted. Like, how could he think of this? Because he was in the backseat of the car when Kyle nearly died

while we were doing a hook turn. Okay. All right. So this is a jab at Kyle. All right. I'm going to say false. It's false. It's ludicrous.

Yeah, this is false. How could he think that we would think that that was a real I think he probably just wanted us to talk about Is Edwin like 13? Yes. I think he just wanted us to talk about hook turns.

It worked and it got for us very angry. Use AI next time to come up with your prompt. All right, two points across the board. Next is in Switzerland, it's against the law to own just one guinea pig since they can get lonely. I like this. I think this is true because Switzerland is the happiest place on earth

according to studies. And they don't want sad guinea pigs? They don't want sad guinea pigs? They don't want sad guinea pigs? add anything. Yeah, I also think this is true. Just because we're all tied, I'm going to go false. It is true.

I thought it was as well, but I If you buy a guinea pig, you got to get at least two. Yeah, it says here that Swiss laws consider guinea pigs as social animals that must have companionship. I love that. Do you think that you can buy a singular guinea pig at the store? Like, you're like, look, I've already

got one. Yeah. You got to like swindle them. It'd be like, listen. Do you have to lie to the clerk and say, look, I have one just died. I one just died. I have four at home. I think you do. Yeah, you can. I think you have to prove it. So what happens if you show up with the little cage and the bedding and the thing and you're like, just that one guinea pig? They're like, no, no, you have to buy two. You're like, well, I have more at home. I really should show a picture. Yeah. I really do think that they would enforce that.

I think they would be like, no, you can't just buy one unless you prove it. My buddy, my buddy Lucas went to the fish shop the other day. He's setting up a puffer fish tank. Oh, those are sweet. It's dope. His tank's awesome. And he, uh, he goes to the clerk and he goes, goes, can I get those three puffer fish? And she goes, how big is your tank? He goes, 40 gallons. She goes, nope. He's like, I'm sorry, what?

She's like, I can only sell you two. And he's like, why? And she's like, well, you kind of have three puffer fish in a 40 gallon tank. They require 20 gallons per fish. He's like, I have eight in there already, lady. You want to sell me those fish or not? And so he ended up walking out. She wouldn't sell them the puffer fish.

Wow. Is that true that they need 20 gallons? No, it's bullshit. Okay. I got a little, uh, uh, uh, Quip, similar to that, except I walked away in the positive. I went to get, and I didn't know this. Two. No, no, you can't know on my American Airlines flight.

You can't get, I went to the back because I fell asleep during service. And I was like very looking for it. It was my birthday on the flight and I was looking forward to the alcohol. And so my kids were a nightmare. And I was like, okay, so I go back and I'm like, can I get two bottles of wine? And she's like, I can only sell you one. And I'm like, but could I get two? Yeah.

And she goes, literally with hardly any fighting, she just goes, I'll give you, I'll charge you for one. You can have a free one. And I was like, thank you. Did you drop that it was your birthday? Not that time. Okay. But I went back a second thing.

But when went back 35 seconds later. Yeah. No, I did. I went back because they, I don't even want to get into it, but no second service was done. So I went back. I wasn't mad. I was like happy.

I was like, good. Don't do a second service. Who the fuck needs a second service? Like, just let people call you. Well, they were out of napkins and paper cups. So I go back there, and the second time I go back, um, I always,

it's always like so cozy in the back of the plane where they're, where they're, there's like a blue light. Like it's, it's, it's loud, the engine, you know, and so,

uh, can I get, can I still order wine? No, I'm very like humble and nice about it. Sure. When you're nice to them, and I,

and she goes, uh, I'm like, could I get two I asked for? And she goes, yeah, and she's like, gets it.

She had to like fumble with the cart, gets it out, gets it out, gets it out. And in my mind, I'm like, she's going to get to me for free. I know she is. I know she is. And literally she goes, ah, just take it. And I'm like, nice. Big W. Yeah, that happens.

It's like a 60% chance that you're getting something free. It really is. All depends on your attitude. I think I've only paid for alcohol on a plane maybe once ever. They give it to see up. Always. You probably had just one drink. So I used to tip.

Just kidding. They won't take it anymore. They must have cracked down. They won't take it. Yeah, that was smart. I used to always, always, always tip like either five or ten bucks, especially in a long flight, just when they would give the first, give me my first drink. Yeah. And that's smart because then you're set up.

Yeah. They do not charge you for another drink. They don't care. They don't fucking take it anymore. No, they want you. They want to get all that shit off the plane is what I think I realize. They don't want anything left over. So if they're like, they got to take more stuff off.

And one more quick airport tip, I know we're doing an animal podcast. And I know you hate that, Pat. No, you have to edit it out, Kyle. I love saying it every podcast. No, it has to be edited out. It's an adventure and wildlife and traveling podcast. If it makes it into the show, I'm quitting the show. All right, so here's something else I realize.

Have you guys ever had to use the luggage carriers in the airport? Yeah, all the time. Okay, so I've never, well, you guys, yeah, you travel with equipment and all these things. You need to go around in the cart. And so, like, I've only traveled with my kids three or four times now, and we've tried to keep it minimal. This time we had to use the carts. And so, uh, I realize, though, you got to pay, it's like seven to $12 to rent the cart. Yeah. But there is always a fucking cart somewhere, whether it's in the parking garage or just loose. Yeah, but are you willing to go hunt for it?

No, it's not hunting. You always run into one within like, I would say five minutes of walking. I mean, if you're doing business, going the business account anyways, like, I'm furious fucking having to pay $7 for a goddamn luggage cart when I've already done all this other shit. But I didn't know. So I was like, you know, I was going to pay for it. And I like looked over and every, it was like a video game. It was like every time I needed a power boost, there was an available luggage cart for me to throw. Just sitting there.

My kid would sit on it and I got to ride him. Peter going to Chicago is like an event. It wasn't. It's as if he traversed the ice sheet. Yeah. We're proud of you. All I'm saying, all I'm fucking saying, ask. holes is that there will be a free, a free available luggage cart if you just keep walking for

five more minutes. Kyle, what's the score on the quiz? It's all tied up. 3-33. Let's do one more. Let's do, yeah. This one's worth 25 points. Okay.

There we go. All right. In South Carolina, horses may not be kept in bathtubs. Okay. That's false. That's a trickery. You can put as many, many horses as you want in your tub. that's my statement

I'm trying to think why would this be a thing someone did it I think it's false I think South Carolina probably doesn't have as many animal laws

it's so simple that I think like he made it up so I'm gonna well we all do all right I go true it's all right we can do one more

all right I go false it's true it's true God damn it I should fuck you this is true yeah it says

this is part of a series of quirky laws in South Carolina about keeping animals in unusual places. That's all. Fair enough. Kyle, give us one more for all the marbles. Take your pick.

Do number eight. All right, let's go with eight. In Zimbabwe, it is profuse. Wow. Prohibit. You're good. You got it. Keep going.

Try a gun. Nikes. Start from the scratch. In Zimbabwe, it is prohibited to refuse water to a thirsty donkey. How do you know it's thirsty? It's parched lips.

Its mouth is making sounds. First thing you said to me It sounds like shenanigans to me I'm gonna say it's false And I'm from there I have no idea True I'm just wondering how you know

A fucking donkey's thirsty I mean like if a donkey comes up to you And is like licking I think it's like if you have private land And a donkey wanders up to your water supply Yeah you have to allow them to drink Yeah I gotta go false

This is nonsense It is true Yes All right Patrick's 20. 8 to 3 to 3. Yeah. All right.

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