Wild Times: Wildlife Education - Extinct Reptiles Found, Sharks Eat Too Many Fish, Venomous Lizards

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

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You're going to strike it light? Yeah, I'm going to go for it. It's a little later than usual. I feel like I'm ready. Yeah. How you doing, Peter? I'm a little annoyed. I just read a new story that bothered me.

Wait, do a jingle. Let's hear a story. I bet it's not in the show dog. It's not. I found it on credit off. Sir, news from the underground. We skipped intros. I'm good with that.

Get right into it. And nobody cares about it. Just read the headline, Peter. Just read that headline because I don't believe it is real. U.S. Senate Committee to vote Wednesday on Bill to try to stop sharks from eating fish. Okay. Forrest is leaving. He has stood up and he's walked out in his very short shorts.

They are so short. I know it's stupid because I found it on the subreddit called Not the Onion, which are stories that sound like onion headlines. but they are not. Unfortunately, Washington, D.C., the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce Science and blah, blah, blah, aims to stop wild sharks from biting fish on fishing lines.

Okay, so... So it's a little different. They're not just making a rule that says stop eating fish. Yeah, they're fishist. Okay, I don't hate what they're going for here if I'm reading between the lines, and I've read two lines. So let's see, this task force fails to include

representation from indigenous. Nobody cares about that. The bill falls short by not explicitly forbidding the task for this is nonsense. What is going on here? So people are upset that like you said, it doesn't include representation from an indigenous tribal and native people, which sharks are sacred to some. Who cares? This is not a social issue. This is about sharks getting foul hooked. Hold on. And then secondly that this bill falls short by not explicitly forbidding the task force from proposing shark calls or population reductions as a solution. Leaving the door open to killing sharks. So I don't think this is about, they're not doing this to save the sharks.

They're doing this to stop the fishermen from losing money. But we still haven't got to the root cause of what this is. Now it's talking about earth justice. Then it's talking about native Hawaiians. Where is, what is the, what is the thing we're trying to do here? What are they going to do? Are they going to call sharks in popular fishing areas? I mean, so that's what the task force is being set up to figure out.

So people... I can't believe federal taxpayer money is going to this. That's despicable. It's despicable. So while it can be frustrating to have a shark bite your catch while fishing, you know, so that's what they're trying to do. They're forming a task force because people are upset about the sharks biting their catch on the line. Okay.

Should I just rat czar this and solve it in about a minute instead of this be headlines and talk about indigenous this and absolutely culling that and all these things that have nothing to do with not that much of a complex issue contrary to what Graham said Depredation is a complex issue one that reflects the health corrosion It's pronounced Graham. Graham is wrong.

It's not that complex. I mean, look, I'm oversimplifying here, but it's not that complex. There are several products that you can buy today that will help deter they're not bulletproof, but they will help deter sharks from biting fish. One of them is a shark band's product, which means it puts out a magnet. Sharks don't like magnets. Oh, interesting. So you put that on your tackle? Yeah, you put it in what's called an inline system. So it's like on your leader or it's above your sinker or whatever,

in line, you know, a straight as part of it. And then fish aren't affected by it because fish are not affected by magnetism, the same way sharks are. Fish comes along, eats it. Shark goes, ooh, look, a wriggling fish goes in, oh, no, I don't like that, leaves it alone. That's one way. Another way, paint your lures black and white to represent a sea snake. I'm not saying any one of these things actually is a blanket solution, but you do them in combination based on where you live and what your targets are and the sharks are, and you can greatly reduce the number of sharks that are biting the fish. Well, and you don't have to then kill a bunch of sharks to solve the problem.

That's what I'm, that's what I'm saying. This is ridiculous because it's not a social issue. It's not a culling issue. Nobody wants to kill. Stupid. Stupid. Just do a couple things where you still catch fish and the sharks. Don't eat the fish.

Can I go on, though? Can I do the other ones? Yeah. So you can do black and white aposomatism, which is where a good word for the game, if we ever play that again, where you mimic a venomous snake or something that sharks hate and they'll leave it alone.

Fish won't bother with it. Fish won't be affected by it. You can do the magnet thing. You can do sound things. You can do flashing lights. There's like all these various deterrence that individually are not great, but you add them up based on the environment and the species that you're having issues with.

And they'll work. It's just interesting. So maybe I think that we should have you on the, as the head of the shark task force. Just like the rats are where you want to unleash cats in New York City. Like three years ago, there was a shark week. I only know this because my buddy worked on it. He was kind of embarrassed by it. But where they did a test, I think J.B. smooth was on it.

Okay. And they were testing to see if sharks liked country music or rap music. music better? What did they determine? Oh, I don't know. I didn't watch it. Which kind of music did the sharks enjoy? I have no idea, but I know that they had,

um, not Kenny Chesney, what's his name? Yeah, exactly. Tim McGraw, no, not Tim McGraw. He's the guy who did I want to check you for ticks. That guy. Is that a song? You don't know that song? No, man, it's great.

Yeah, I just know that he was playing music to sharks. Does it say there? Google AI says they prefer jazz. Wow. So do plants, by the way. I'm saying here, jazz music grow better. Interesting. Yeah.

I wonder why that is. Maybe just the... It says here that it's associated with a food response to the jazz music. Huh. How could that be? It means nothing. Nah, it's nonsense. AI just make stuff up that you want to hear.

What were you talking about? Oh, yeah, I don't know. That was just like, come on. It just sounds kind of silly that they're wasting money on. Like, who proposed this law? Well, no, I get it. If you're a fisherman, if you live in South Florida, one out of three fish you hook gets sharked, gets taxed, right?

A shark comes in and smashes it. I get it. If you're long lining, which is a method of fishing, half the long lines end up getting fish smashed. You know, there are solutions. You don't need a task force. Nobody should be complaining and saying we need culling. Nobody should be pretending it's a social issue and talking about what communities are underrepresented.

It doesn't have anything to do with any of that. Right. It's to do with sharks accidentally getting caught. That's it. That's all it's to do with. And this is just such a standard to me, like, over the top. Nine people are weighing in. Somebody's upset because some group is underrepresented.

Who cares? Just focus on the sharks, the thing that you actually are talking about. Like, how can someone get offended about this? Well, people get offended by anything. But it's crazy to me. I mean, it's like just, come on with enough already. I'll be interested to see what the task force comes up with. Maybe we'll be lucky and they'll say the same thing you're saying.

saying or maybe they will be unlucky they'll just they'll just find a fisheries biologist it's like yeah here here's six things you can do right and here's like a proposal to explain how you use these things here and these things here yeah it just doesn't need all this drama and nonsense and probably give us give them our tax dollars oh yeah it'll cost 35 million dollars oh yeah one of the senators on the committees like nephews right business will get 35 million dollars to provide black and white fishing lures exactly yeah that's how that goes i've got a mystery who nice Let's hear a mystery for you. Wait for it.

I was hoping that Kyle had mystery music. He doesn't know. He's just shaking his head. I thought we had an animal mystery. We do. Can you just, Peter, you're really good at this. Can you just give me some light tension score? I didn't say Halloween.

That's close. That was really good, actually. All right. So this was submitted from one of the bros, Alex Fletcher. Okay. Doesn't say where it is. Doesn't say where it is. I think Halloween is pretty mysterious.

All right. Sorry going on. So his friend. she has a swimming pool lovely pool heard of it she's continuously has she's finding a lot of lizards

trapped in the pool in the water that happens a lot she keeps getting lizards in the pool yep and uh she sees a lizard in there so she jumps in the pool to go get it

and she picks it up and she's like man this thing looks different than the lizards that I normally see I'm holding this lizard but I don't know what it is okay she she posted on Facebook.

Okay. Let's take a look at this picture. It's not, oh, we have a picture. Oh, that's awesome. What are we looking at? We're looking at baby Gila monster. A baby Gila monster.

So she, Peter knew that. Did you ask Peter? I'm sorry, I should have jumped in. I just wanted to describe, yeah. Oh. She's holding like, what do you say? Maybe five, six inch long. Yeah.

A little white striped lizard. A yearling Gila monster. It's got that pinkish shoe with the black banding. This, she obviously lives in Arizona. and that's really, really cool. So these guys pretty much primarily only come out during the monsoon season, which is now when you get those random little monsoon spurts

in the Arizona desert, and then they'll come out and move around searching for pools of water, aka a swimming pool. And, you know, in the desert, that pool of water's two inches deep and lasts three hours. Right.

In your backyard in Phoenix, it's six feet deep and lasts forever. And so as a Gila monster, your brain goes, I'm going to go into that pool and soak it up. It's good for my skin. That way I can shed my skin, get hydrated, everything else. But when that happens to be a nice concreted pool, they just plop in and go, oh, shit, I'm dying. Yeah. Yeah. She's holding it with her bare hand. Now, this is our only venomous lizard in North America. Yeah, how bad, so what is it? It's same as a snake. Do they inject it through bites? It's saliva. Yes, it is.

it's not that toxic of a venom, though. I think you get, it's basically like potent B venom, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe Kyle can correct me here. I'd like to see a Gila monster sting. It's weird that they put monster in the name. Well, they are little monsters. I think they're so cool.

They're very cool. Serious, painful experience, but rarely fatal for healthy adults. Can I see what a Gila monster bite looks like on a human cow? Oh, there's one famous image. I'm curious if it'll come up. It's a guy's hand. Oh, shit.

Yeah, look at his arm. So, like I said, it's like a very intense beasting. like swelling, redness, puffiness, pain. So this guy got tagged on the forearm, and his entire arm is bright red and swollen all the way to the armpit. Is that a bad tattoo that I said? No, that's the drawing on it, right?

Gotcha. Do you know why they do that, Petter? The drawing? Yeah. No. Is that where, is that, wait, let me guess so. So that's where they're guessing that the venom is stopped going into it?

That's a good guess. And this is very important, and there's another picture there, center frame, but it's very important that people know this. go back to the original one, Kyle, if you can. I see it there lower left. Yeah.

So see where the side of the bite is. It says bite wound. Everyone should know this, by the way. Everyone everywhere in the world. If you're bitten or stung by something with venom, if you want to track how it is affecting your body and how it's spreading, take a Sharpie and circle the redness and puffy area as quickly as you can. Okay.

Wait an hour and circle it again. Wait another hour and circle it again. 10 minutes, 15 minutes, whatever. If you can see that it's growing and spreading, it means you're having a reaction to the venom. If it stays that size, like, you know, when we get a beesting, you get a big red welt, right?

If that continues to grow, it means that you're having a reaction to that venom and you need antihistamine. So what happened here is this guy got bitten. By the time he got to the hospital or whatever, maybe he did it himself, he's like, this is where the venom is affected me up to, which is that mark he's drawn on his arm.

Gotcha. Obviously, it's continued to spread all the way to his arm. hit there. So this is a good way to track how something is affecting you because otherwise you get to the doctor's office and go, yeah, I got bitten. I got stung and they're like, well, has it grown? Has it reduced? Blah, blah, blah. If you make that mark with your Sharpie and the next hour when you go to track it, it's reduced, you don't need to go to the doctor. Your body is producing enough antihistamines naturally that you're fighting off the venom. But this is what's so interesting about venom with Gila monsters, bees, rattlesnakes, any of it, there is no blanket to this

stuff. Everybody responds differently. Every single human being responds differently to a bee sting. Gotcha. Some of us are deadly allergic. Some of us are mildly allergic. Some people have almost no reaction at all. It's all about how your body produces histamines to fight the venom. Gotcha. Yeah. So this is how you can track that. It's a great segue for me to get into another video I saw just before I came in here. Have you guys seen the, uh, no, the brady little girl who, who, who with the duck. Here it is. So there's a young child.

She's quite cut. Yeah, she's like seven. Yeah. So she's chasing a mama and her baby ducks. Oh, and the duck just comes at her now. Yes. These ducks are totally, like, like dive bombs her. The little girl smartly throws a little sand to get back.

She defends herself. This chick is tough. Like a gladiator. Yeah. She could be on the gladiator show. American gladiators. But look at her. the little girl in like a wet suit.

She chases a duck and her babies. And then the duck turns on her. Do you see why, though, the one duckling got left behind? Oh, I didn't see that duckling. That's why the mama went back. Yeah, so the goes at the feet and then it flies up and pecks at the head. So the mama duck comes back because there's one duckling left stranded by the little girl.

Yeah, see, so she's got her little flock of ducklings and they all run away. Except that one. See the one that gets left behind there? Oh, and the little girl is going to pick it up. She's about to pick up that little duckling. Yep. I like that. And then she gets a fucking triple head pack.

You know what? Hot take here. Good. Yes. Oh, yeah. No, it's great. And here's why it's good. Because she learned a lesson.

I promise she didn't get hurt badly. You know, maybe a few scratches or a pinch or whatever. Yeah. And she's not going to chase a duck again. If I was her dad, I'd be really proud too because watch how she defends herself. So the duck's pecking her head. She hits the deck on the sand. rose a handful of sand at the dump. Yeah, that's smart. And then windmills the feet kicking up a dust storm.

And then comes in with another handful of sand. Oh, is that? There's a second one. I didn't see that. We should do like, you know how Joe Rogan breaks down the UFC fights? We should break down when people and animals get into fist fights. That's a great idea. But dude, I will say I just saw a thing today. People are, you know, you know how everybody's anti-woke now and it's kind of coming full circle. And like everything goes in and Yang. Depends on what's happening. It does. It depends on the day. But before it was like everybody, everything that was acceptable. If you said anything opposite, you were done. Wait, can I speak about something on that? Yes, but hold on.

Oh, do you have a thing? Okay, sorry. Let me just finish. Yeah. So now the thing is gentle parenting, right? Yeah. Everybody's coming against it. Oh, good.

Now is that people are back into having natural repercussions for children. And not like going in and like being like, no, get away. Like letting them face a repercussion and have to deal with it. naturally. I hate that. I'm like the opposite. I'm iron fist parenting. I'm not saying it's working, but I like, my dad beat the shit out of me. I'm gonna beat the shit out of this boy. That's my

feelings right there. So in the sports world, this just went around. I don't know if you can find it, Kyle, or if it matters. This like went very viral. Okay. It's a female coach coaching a bunch of like, probably like 13 year olds. Boys or girls? Girls. And it's a female, female coach?

Yeah. All, all females involved. And her dog. is one of the players on the team and something happens like the ref makes a call and the coach the daughter's like yammering from the sideline at her mom like no like at the ref like screaming at the ref yep yep and the and the coach just takes her finger and puts it up to her daughter's lips uh-huh just does that yeah be quiet yeah and people online are outraged just skewering skewering this woman the coach no the coach wow Why? Like you never touch a child.

Oh, for fuck. I'm sorry. Thousands and thousands of comments of people just putting this woman through the ringer like she did something awful. See, look, I grew up in a different place to America. So the way we were raised were different, very different. But if I had chirped at a ref or a coach or something, I would have been hit by my coach. Right. Who wasn't my parent or my mom. And your parents would have been like, that's right. My dad would have gone up and then hit me after the game for doing that. So I would have been punished for having been punished and then gone and thanked the coach. I'm not joking.

I'm not saying that for impact. That's how that would have been handled. I think there's a happy medium, you know. I also got hit when I was a kid, you know. I think it was just the sign of the times and everything. But it's like I think kids can face natural consequences and that's okay. That's her daughter. Yeah, it's, it was, it was an-

finger on her lips and the kid kind of lurches her head back. It was an aggressive shushing that she obviously deserved. She's screaming at the ump, right? Yeah. And, uh, the mom's like, hey, zip it. And she starts, she leans forward and starts screaming at the ump. She puts her finger on her lips. There's literally nothing wrong with that.

Wait, and that, it's being covered by some of the largest news outlets in the country. And the coach is the mom, too? Correct. And all being, all being, like, vilified as though the coach is a terrible human being. The vast majority is. That's crazy, especially because the coach is also her mother. Like, the takeaway here is hit your kids, okay? You're listening to this.

Don't even look for a reason. Just go home and hit them. So what's it called? Natural repercussions. That's what it's called? There's a new style of parenting where you just let your kid walk into traffic. It's called like A, A, like there's an acronym. A is a different thing.

No, no, A.A. Something, something. If Kyle was a good producer, he'd be looking it up right now. He's feverish back there. But it's the opposite of gentle parenting, basically just where if your kid's going to jump two feet off the couch and you keep telling him no and he does it and then he like cries when he falls it's like well i told you not to do it you don't go like give him a hug and be like that's what i do but then here's the thing if your kids

like mine he'll cry and then he'll do it again so it's not like you learned the lesson he's just an this happened the other day and then we'll get there's a bunch more news that i really want to get into. But sorry, this was yesterday. So my youngest daughter is it like 20 months old. Yeah. We call her food rude. Okay. Or a meal. We also call her a meal squeal because she just screams through every meal. You do. Let's be honest. Your wife has never said that. She says food rude. Okay. She's had it too. But dude, yeah. So it doesn't matter. Just at meal time is an absolute tyrant lunatic jerk. screams unpredictable, like something someday, pissed at it the next day. Total dick.

And so, food rude. Love these meatballs that I made. Nice. Loved them. Delightful, fluffy. Taste. Way to go. So yesterday at dinner time, I give her a bunch of little, I cut them into pieces,

give her the meatballs. I hate meatballs. And she's taking them one at a time. And she doesn't have like the power of much language yet. Right. Just going, no, no. and throwing saucy meatballs on my hardwood floor. Yeah.

That'll beat your children. So I'm like, God damn it, man. So dogs licking up the meatballs, but there's still sauce everywhere. So I go over and I get my wife recently got rid of all of our like 401 style cleaning products and got all these all natural things. Oh God. They don't work. Yeah. The ones that don't work made so much fun of her for it.

Yeah. My wife did this too. I get angry about it. So yes, she switches all the shit out, right? I don't have any good chlorox in the house. nothing's disinfecting. Yeah. So I grab a bottle of sand to clean up with.

No, it's like, it's literally lemonade. Yeah. Sorry. I don't interrupt. So I grabbed the spray bottle, the glass spray bottle of lemonade and I spray it on the sauce bits and I set it on the counter and I'm starting to wipe it up with the paper towel. And I hear my wife just go, no, no, no, no. And then I just look over and I, it was within reach of the little kid.

Uh-huh. And she just has it and just goes and just blast her super soaker style. herself in the eyes with the cleaning products. Oh my God. And she's like, she sprayed herself in the face. I'm like, yeah, shit. Yeah. Fuck, but

she kind of got what she does. Oh, yeah. She was fine after like two minutes. Of course, it's the, it's the all organic one. That's the whole point. Yeah, it doesn't clean. Dude, but the funny part is, and we'll get away from the kid talk in just a second, you'll give them something they love, like the fluffy, delicious

meatball, and then the following day you give them the exact same thing. Except you've cut it in a different shape. Oh my God, I get this all the time. If I cut something and give it to my son rather than the full piece, like it's over. And there's no reattaching. It's not just my animal. It's all animals.

They're all insane. Wait, so we were talking about very topical things. And I don't know this. So maybe I'm just making like very grandiose assumptions. Who's Hollywood's hot chick right now? Just got back from a fishing trip in Texas. It's pretty epic. boiling hot and everybody said I look like a fishing guide you know why why is that

because I was wearing the same shirt you're wearing is this fishing guide shirt because I just think it's just kind of cool walking around L.A. shirt Kyle did did we or did we not look like professional fishermen in our poncho shirts? Kyle's Mike doesn't work it's a catastrophe it's insane dude that's so funny so wait right now could I be a fishing guide yes you look like you're made for the outdoors and by the way, I mean, these things are insane. They fit well. They're the best performance fabric I've ever had. Literally, having tested thousands of shirts outside, it's the ultimate outdoor performance. Is by far, it's funny because I didn't even know it was a performance shirt because it's so soft.

Yeah. It's like your favorite t-shirt that your wife or girlfriend steals to sleep in. But in like a very cool looking shirt, I wear these just normally, not when I'm fishing. It's super cool. It's weird because every fishing shirt I pretty much ever use is. that scratchy fabric. Yeah. And this is just like, it's like the shirt is built for whatever you throw at it. It's an awesome shirt. The color stays firm.

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Yeah. And we're waiting for animals. What is the one thing that every single crew member is doing to keep themselves entertained? A lipper is in. That's right. So I was a loyal. I was loyal. You still are for what I thought, from what I know.

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Yeah. Free. Yeah. The free pouches? You go on upy-deckies with those or what? Up, low. Doesn't matter, dude. It's the juice factor, man.

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It's Sidney-Sweeney. Yes, she is. She did an American Eagle, I want to say, ad, where she's wearing a Canadian tuxedo. All right. I don't know what that is, but okay. You don't know what a Canadian tuxedo is? Full denim. Denim on top, denim.

This is it. Oh, I like that, yeah. Who wouldn't? Look at her. She's delightful. Yeah, yeah. There's some massive, because we were talking about, like, controversy doesn't make sense, backlash about this.

About what? I don't know. That's what I saw this. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know a little bit about it. Why is she in trouble for wearing, is it because she's not Canadian? and she's in a Canadian tuxed. I'm jerking to it daily.

What is going on here? It has to do with the play on words that she has great genes. People are offended that she's attractive. Oh, my God. Come on. No, that's not it. So they're saying, I believe that she's got great genes as in genetics,

but J-E-A-N-S. Correct. So that's a great campaign and clever, and I like it, and she's hot. She does have great genes. But why does that? Because the headline that I saw, and I don't want to get too political here,

was that it's racist. What? I swear. type it in. I saw that it was racist somehow. Can someone explain this to me? Well, we got to see if you're right first. You might just be a moron. Nope. See, there it is. The great-cans cancel culture mob. I mean, the great genes thing. When you talk about that, you're thinking like eugenics, like people are talking about... What? We're talking about denim. I believe it. I'm with you. Believe me. But like, this triggers people when you start talking about genetics, right? Like you're saying their genes are better than other genes. Correct. And they're thinking... She is a better specimen than me. I'm not offended by it.

She's much hotter than me. Listen, I am on your side. I'm not arguing it. But they are saying that you're... So they're extrapolating the beauty... The beauty genetic part. And I think when they're saying it's racist, they're trying to extrapolate that into like,

oh, here you have this young, white, attractive female. You're saying genetically that that would be better than... But they... But everyone. should know that's... That's not what they're saying. Because what they're doing is they're just saying, oh, they're calling it Nazi propaganda.

That's what it was. Yeah, there it is. That's ludicrous. Wait, sorry. Because liberals have lost their minds over it accusing both American Eagle and Sydney, Sweden, I'm sending a racist message. Some have outright called the ads Nazi propaganda an example of white supremacy. Absolutely crazy.

Nazi propaganda. That just means you're not, you don't care about someone's intent. Like, okay, tone deaf, I could see. Am I lost you? If you said to me like, hey man, you know, you made a joke and I went, oh, shut the fuck up, man. Yeah. And you treated it like I went, shut the fuck up. Right, right, right, right.

That's what this is. Yeah. It's just going, the intent doesn't matter. I just want to go crazy. Who is it? Is it LeBron James whose son is an incredible basketball player? Is it LeBron? Yeah.

So if I said. He's good enough to play D1 college. Okay, whatever. But if I said LeBron James, son has great. jeans because he does because his dad was one of the best is the greatest basketball player in history meaning genetically he's programmed to have incredible basketball talent is that also like would they also should i not have just said that on this podcast i actually don't know right would this same group of people be saying that that's racist is the question but not even the racism part it's just like he has

great genes his dad's lebron james i think if i was that bad if i was a crazy woke person what i would say is that this is implying that because of the way she looks, she has great genes and everyone else has bad genes. Yeah, I think that's what they're getting at. Not everyone else. You could put Megan Fox in the same scenario. Let's say they didn't do the more, but

no, she's still really hot. She's still really hot. Would they, if they got rid of the genetic part, if it was a different play on words and just said Sidney Sweeney looks great in our genes? Would people be upset that they were saying

Sidney Sweeney was attractive? I don't think so. I think this is just a bandwagon thing. I think one person made noise and then others piled on. And reposted. Yeah. I think once you... Am I right in that assumption? Yes. Yes. Well, yeah, that's anything. Once you insert the word genetics, genes, people start

to get crazy. That's a trigger for people? I legit think so. I mean... What if we're talking about like a tortoise? Yeah, right. Right. Well, I guess when you're talking about human genes, people get triggered... Well, Forrest, you're going to be canceled for our last podcast. What did I say? You said that you wanted that lobster that you returned to the ocean,

you wanted to keep it in the gene pool. Oh, yeah. I'm a fend it. We're going to have to keep you off the podcast. I'll be honest with you. He had great jeans. Yeah, and American Eagle didn't even sponsor them. Also, you were fat-shaming anyone who weighed more than 12 pounds.

That's right, because I couldn't sit in my seat. I'm offended. I'm done. I'm canceled. The problem is I don't understand any of it. Like, I know I sound stupid or maybe I'm ignorant. I'm sorry if I'm offending people, but like, I don't get it. I just don't get it.

Sydney, Sweeney has great jeans. She's super hot. That ad to me is like, okay, like, I didn't even know American Eagle was still around, but I'm like, I get it. She's in jeans. It's a funny play on word. She's hot. Yeah.

But by the way, I also think you should be allowed to even say that. There's someone who's going to be like, why is Forrest objectifying women? She's modeling. It's not like you went up to a coworker who's just trying to do good work at the law office or a female producer that you work with in the field and went up and went, she's so hot. I would never do that. She's a model who's being paid to look attractive in clothing. Right, sure. She's complicit in taking advantage of the fact that she's considered very attractive.

It's clever and fun. I don't know. There's no nuance in anything anymore. Kyle, you spanked it to this exact picture here in the studio last night. What do you think? I'm with you. Yeah, that's nonsense. It's literally nothing.

As the younger generation here, are we in the wrong? Are we just racist and stupid now? No, absolutely not. I think it's good. I think it's a good ad. It's clever. It's clever. It's clever and fun. Oh, by the way, they're getting, this is the most publicity American Eagle has gotten in decades. Their stock is also their stock price has gone up considerably. Without a doubt. Dude, that's what it is. I'm going to sound like Peter. Guerrilla marketing. It's guerrilla marketing. They paid, they went and found three people who had big influence and said, hey, hey, we just put out this thing. Sidney Sweeney has great jeans. They should do that. Go and blow it up. Go go, go make a smear campaign against us.

And now if you're one of the people that hopped on the bag wagon, don't you feel stupid? Don't you feel dumb, though, that you fell for it, hook line, and sinkers? Here's the truth. Here's the truth. And I don't know why we're all so fired up on this. Very fired. But here's the truth.

I legitimately didn't know American Eagle was still around. I swear to God. And I didn't know that Sidney had done this ad and I wouldn't have if it wasn't for the topical smear campaign. Sure, sure. And now I'm like, oh, American Eagle, that's interesting. What's their stock price doing? Dude, you know, so Red Bull was a really, I wrote a, my senior year, I wrote a paper on Red Bull's marketing for a marketing class.

Right. I think I remember that you talking about. Brilliant. Yeah. So they literally just paid young people. This was pre-social media. This was before MySpace. Just to start rumors.

About Red Bull? Yep. And so they did a massive, they spent a lot of money, guerrilla marketing. Hold on. Wait, wait. Before you stuff spread the rumor, what do you know? about Red Bull. Gives you wings. Gives you energy, makes you feel good.

What's the rumor you heard about? I had bull testicles in it, Torrine. Yeah. Bull, bull come and bull test. Everybody knows it. Yeah. Stuff from, so they Red Bull started that rumor. Is that not true? And they started the rumor that if you drank 10 of them, you would die

from a heart attack. That makes me want it more. Yes. Let me try. Let me try. Tremendously. Yeah. The bull, the bull, the Torrine thing. That's not true. No. Dude, I remember when you and I were in Vietnam and we're like, we got to get OG Red Bull because here in Vietnam, it's still a bowl come in it.

Right. Do you remember that? I remember you and Mitch talking about. You were like, no, he's there dumb. But I was like, I've got to get the Bull come one. One here and the Asia where things are unrestra-unregulated. What was the caffeinated, the little canned coffee that we were, I'm not kidding. Like, oh, I know what it is.

Don't worry. I'll pull it up. In prison, you can trade like. drugs and cigarettes and stamps. Yeah. Like they're very high value items. Right, right. These fucking canned coffees I know what it is. People were like willing to like do crazy shit to get one. I don't remember this. Because we would start every day with like 20 in the cooler.

Yeah. Yeah. And get down to like two and people would be like, let's just fist fight. Okay. Now, Kyle, don't Google anything. Before I tell you the name of it, if you had, if you were going to make a fecal based product but wanted it to be mass marketed, what would you call it? Just rapid fire in a shit coffee. I'd call it like Brown explosion. You're closer.

Fecal Fecal fanatics. Fecal Fondackal? No, you can't say fecal. That's the kicker here. I'd use Brown. Yeah, Brown would have to be. Okay, well you're both right because the name of the coffee, I swear to God, is Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown? Look it up. Look it up, yeah. It's the most, yep, there

it is. Mr. Brown coffee. See it? It is the most fecal. That's it. Remember them? Oh, yeah. By the way, They're so good. And they're this big. These tiny cans of coffee. And like Patrick said, we'd smash like 10 of them each a day. It's like liquid death, man.

This shit works. I feel like we can't get these in the U.S. I've never seen it in the U.S. I'm not saying it's not here, but I've never seen it. If it is, I'm going to death order some for the studio. We should reach out to them. Definitely not a sponsor. I'm pretty sure they don't exist.

I can't believe that a duck video got us to where we are right now in this podcast. Is that where we came from? Or was, did we... You went to ducks to denim to poop coffee. Some people say it tastes like cigarettes. That's why we liked it. Yeah, it might have. There's some addictive quality to it.

It's probably just ground up cigarettes in a can, and that's why we liked it. Wait! Wait! They add nicotine to it, supposedly. There you go. Or is that a rumor? In the U.S. No, if you're in the U.S., they don't add nicotine.

So that's why we were so addicted to them. There you go. Because they had nicotine in them in Vietnam. That makes so much sense. I mean, it's like he said, people were fiending. Like, I'd go over and Mitch would be like, hey, can you grab a battery for me? I'd like, yeah, no problem. And I'd open his case.

And there's seven of them stashed in his camera bag. And I'm like, this fucking guy. Like, people are acting really weird about these coffees. Piece of shit. Oh, man. I know you did have something that you wanted to talk about for us. And I was excited about it. I had two things.

So one, there's a piece of news. Let's go about, do we do a news jingle earlier? What's the new? We'll do it now. Okay. Who gives a shit? Who gives a ton? All right.

What's my favorite thing that when we find out about in the news I get the most excited about? Extinct species that have come back. Boom! Wait, extant extinct species. Lazarus tax on. God, he's fucking smart now. You should write a book. All right.

So not one. I'm going to combine two stories because they came out less than a week apart. Not one, but two reptilians have been found for the first time in a lot. time in a long time. So first of all, there was a gecko found on the Galapagos that, I mean, the headline's stupid and it's, this is what Rhee Wilde does. But after 5,000 years, nobody 5,000 years ago gave a shit about a gecko. But a tiny gecko species, this Marisi, I think it was, was rediscovered on one of the islands in the Galapagos. It's only three inches long. The only previously known one was from a 5,000-year-old fossil. Wow. So they had a fossil of this

gecko and they're like, wow, we think that this gecko's on the island. And then a live specimen was found in 2019 and again in 2021 during a restoration project. And now finally, they've done DNA analysis and published that this little gecko that they had fossils of still lives. That's crazy. That's pretty cool. I mean, it's not, it's, you know, I feel like it's a bit of a facade to say it's a rediscovery. It's more just like a discovery. Right. They've been around the whole time kind of thing. Exactly. So, so few numbers. Which island, Kyle? It's one of the ones that you can't pronounce.

That is it. Rabida. Rabida. Rabida. Rabida Island in the Galapagos. So, so few of them that, like, or is it just so on its board? I mean, it's tiny, right? And it's on this protected island.

Yeah, that's what it is. And it's one of those things like, I promise you, biologists from the Galapagos Conservancy and stuff have seen them. Yeah. They're like, yeah, there's one of those little geckos. You know, and then it's like, well, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. There was this fossil. We don't know if it's actually still extant.

or is it that other gecko that we see? Is it a baby of theirs? It's like one of those things. And then they put it together. But still cool, nonetheless. I don't want to downplay it. I think it's awesome. And then the second one, again, tiny,

the world's smallest snake, which they did actually think was extinct for 20 years. The Barbados worm snake or thread snake, what is it? Thread snake has been rediscovered in Barbados after 20 years. I got to see what this thing looks like. Yeah, as thin as spaghetti.

Oh, it's tiny. I found one. Do you guys remember? In Peru, I found an extinct species of thread snake like this. Oh, really? It's the size of a worm of an earthworm. That's crazy. If I saw it, I would believe it to be a worm. Yeah, I'd be like, what's this black earthworm?

Kyle, see, if you can find my video, you know, a lost, lost worm snake, Forest Glante, something like that. I put it out. It never shockingly, like, blew up very much. And the reason was it's because, there it is, new species found in Peru. Yeah, let this play for three minutes. kind of interesting. I talked through the whole thing. So we're in Peru. Was this for a show? Yeah. So here's why this didn't do well. So go back, Kyle, and let me actually explain it. Pause for a second here. Chappacari. So I was in Chapari National

Park, which one of my favorite places I've ever been in Peru. Oh, you would love it because it's that high deserty stuff that you like and mountainous. Looks beautiful. It was awesome. So we were there doing this mysterious creature show looking at spectacle bears. And halfway through the expedition, real story, I rediscover what I thought was a lost species of thread snake because I found this thing. I didn't find it. The guys digging in the compost behind the kitchen found this worm. And I was like, wait a minute, that's not a worm. That's a snake. Let me key it out using my field guide. Nothing on the field guide. Check the internet. Nothing on the internet. I'm like, holy shit, this is a lost species of snake. Turns out it was an old new species that we discovered. Oh, wow. Real story. And I put this

little package together. I think this is my version, this is my edited version, and send it to animal or discovery and they're like, yeah, we don't care. That's not what this show's about. Because it's not a mysterious creature. So this never made the air? I know. Let's watch it. Let's give it a watch. Play it. Play it. Play it like with me

explaining what's going on, Kyle. Yeah, let's watch this. I'm curious. So this morning here at Chapparee, one of the most interesting and exciting things that has happened to be in a very long time happened. The guys were cleaning out right here, right in the kitchen area where they dump the ash, an area that's full of termites and ants, and they dug up something that in 38 years of working here, they've never seen it.

He's got it in a green plastic bottle. Yep, it's a bright bottle. Now, blind snakes are an incredibly, incredibly interesting borrowing species of tiny little snake with tiny little eyes. They're subterranean, meaning they live under the ground. I was like, cool, you know, there's blind snakes in Peru. In fact, there's the Tumbesian blind snake that we know occurs right here. But as soon as the guys brought me the snake and I started to try and key out as to what it could be, well, it turns out we have an incredible discovery on our hands here.

This is the process. We should talk about it after, so we can know how to do this. Yeah. And by we, I mean, Yvonne in the kitchen. Yvonne. Yep. Was he good chef? There it comes. Very.

This place is incredible now. This is actually a tip of places to visit, by the way. This is a world-class place. We'll talk about it. Typically, these are a non-venomous snake. Look at it. Typically. It's high-y-known.

It's high-y-down. But if you look closely, that is not an earthworm. He's got this minute little white head, this slender, beautiful little little, little sharky. No, it's a worm. That's a worm. That's a snake. That is a snake.

I think we have some insert shots. We didn't have any probe lenses or macros or anything because we were there doing a bear show. Right. Burl right into that dirt. So cool. How do they burl like that? They have a flattened scale on their head and it's like a shovel shape and they go side to side.

Crazy. A Brazilian herpetology expert, a Peruvian herpetology expert. I started freaking. I spent like two days of our eight-day shoot fiddling with a snake. And then they cut it out of the show. Of course, yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. Could be a couple different things.

And this is where the story gets even more interesting. So listen to this part. One is that there's a chance that this is a new species, right? Two, is that there is a chance that this is lyotryphus elbitosis, which is a white-headed blind snake that's never before been seen in this area, which is typically known to be endemic to Ecuador, the country north of us. And three, perhaps the most exciting,

this could actually be an extinct or alive creature. And what I mean by that is this could be an ancient old world blind snake from the family Animal Lepus. And if it is, it potentially could be the species Animalapus Aspenosis, which was only seen once in history in 1939, making this the second ever specimen of that species to ever be found. Pause for psycho? So what did it end up being?

It was a new species, right? Yeah, it was a new species altogether. Okay. And we named it Chapariatus or something like that. Okay. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. Yeah, so there it is.

Just press play without the audio, and I think there might be some closer upshots. But I was so excited because this is important, by the way. You obviously have to be a nerd. to even know this stuff. Absolutely. But first of all, we're at this place, and I want to talk about Chapari, because this is one of those pro tips.

You know, we talked about Monopools is the best safari, the Black Canyon's, the best canoeing. This is one of those places. But I'm at Chapari, one of the most world-class places I've ever been. The guys are digging in the compost in the kitchen, clearing out the ash, find this thing,

and this is where I say you have to be a nerd. So I'm like, cool, a blind snake, I really want to see it. So I go to see it. I'm like, yeah, let's figure out what species it is. After further now, if I researched, the species far as collected, Chapari ecological, was the first, thanks, Kyle, you're making that really hard to read,

was the first of its kind and a new species of blind snake in the Helminofus genus, known only to that region of Peru. So we named it. We named this new species. Spires. That's okay. And we named it after Chapari, which was really cool. Nice. So that was really fun.

I really loved being a part of that. But I went to key it out, and it didn't match anything. So it goes, count the scales behind the eye, how many scales? There should be six if it's this. Yeah. Well, there's one. Okay, does it have, it's all black? Nope, this thing has a white and pink head.

You know, so I go to key it out. Nothing in the books. So this is the keyed out process is where you go and you. Yeah, it tells you. If you have a field guide, it tells you how you know it's this is because of this, how you know it's that is because of that. Yeah. And you check each one and go, it's not that.

It's not that. Interesting. And so, yeah, anyway, so we ended up getting it analyzed. I worked with them. This took us over a year to get it analyzed, but I worked with them and they sent it to a professor who I think took it to Europe, to get analyzed or something, I don't even remember. And then, yeah, we ended up naming this new species of snake,

which was really, really cool. What are these fucking things eat, man? They're so dirt. Termites. Termites. Yeah. Well, worms eat dirt. Yeah.

No, termites. They're termite specialists. And yeah, we named this new species. And I was so proud of it. I thought it was such a cool discovery. It is, yeah. Did it end up like you kept it for a year? Or how does this work?

You send it into a lab? No. They took, I think they found several more. Because I was only there for a week. Yeah. You know, I don't want to take credit for this. Nothing would have ever happened if I hadn't nerded out. They would have been like, cool, worm snake, throw it back in the compost.

They collected it. They found more. They got it analyzed, blah, blah, blah. But just the whole process took a while. Yeah, yeah. And the guy who runs Chapari was the one who did it all. And then he contacted me. He's like, should we name it Galantius or something like that?

And I was like, name it after Chapari, man. Like you have one of the most spectacular places in the world. Name it after your facility. And that's cool. So as a sidebar, Cheparee Ecological Reserve. Kyle, Google it. I'm going to see some more

Imajra. This is the best, one of the best places I've ever been to for a couple of reasons. One, it's all done in red Adobe Earth. The facilities

are beautiful and incredible. It is done so tactfully. There are wild giant Andean condors flying overhead. I mean, that's insane. There are these spectacle bears all around

the lodge. There's wildlife everywhere, wild llamas. The views are amazing. see if you can find go back to the How do you get there? Oh man, I don't even remember. You fly into one of the coastal cities of Peru

and then it's like a five-hour drive. Got it. But it was, it's so worth it. Go back to the web, Kyle, and see if you can find their like accommodations website. What's the little dog they have in Peru? Wild dog. Oh, I didn't see it.

Oh, there's foxes there. Oh, that's okay. Let's see if this is. I don't know what this is. But the accommodations are stunning, too. Very simple. uh yeah i don't know this is it the accommodations are very simple lots of speckled bears spectacled bears which are their own group i don't know it's an incredible place highly recommend if anybody wants

to experience high desert peru this is the best in the world and like i'm assuming because you did it on the show budget like probably not crazy expensive no very affordable but look at it like you're sitting in this lodge that's overlooking this incredible canyon uh keep going college peter more ideas for you it's stoked this one i a little bit further for me. It's mind-blowing. These fish launch out of the creek. This is it. I mean, it's so simple, but even the food is amazing, traditional

Peruvian food, you go on these beautiful hikes, animals everywhere. I can't recommend this place enough. Spectacled bear. Yeah. So this, obviously, you wanted to go do Spectacled bear, and like this is the spot to go see them easily? Yeah, so. Or as easily as possible.

Mysterious creatures was about, basically, like, breaking down myths of animals. Yeah. And this one, they were talking about this iwanchi, which was this little hairy man that would break into farms. And the little hairy man is a spectacle bear. So we went down there to examine it and talk to the locals

and figure out what is the iwanchi and it was this guy. Nice. And yeah, I mean it's just so and they have a hide there where you can see king vultures, and you condors. It's just it's a mind-blowingly perfect place. Did you find any animals on drugs there? No,

that's a different show. Completely just wondering. Completely different. I just was wondering if they're Or a speckled. Anyway, we got a little off track. But the point was they found another one of these thread snakes or blind snakes in Barbados, 20 years later. Not as cool as my find. But pretty rad. Has anyone been to Barbados?

I've never been. Let me see some images of Barbados. Oh, it looks lovely. It's like a known kind of tourist destination. Oh, yeah. It goes like beautiful Caribbean water. But I'm like, I don't know anyone that's ever been there. I think it's pretty developed.

I think compared to other like the Bahamas or whatever. I think Barbados is pretty developed. It's like one of those comments. tropes from like 80s movies like I yeah going to Barbados what uh when you think of Barbados what's what do you think of that like development like that last picture Kyle had up the big development resort resort not not sort of that like sleepy beach more that kind of buzzing like you said like 80s like I'm a Coke guy from Wall Street let's go to Barbados I'm taking my my young girlfriend that's it that's how I think of Barbados but I've never been so what the hell do I know it looks nice

Nice. Looks fun. Looks like there's a lot of culture there. Dude, speaking of the 80s, I'm developing this documentary project that's set in Chicago in 1986. Have you ever heard of that? Never been there. Never been there. Is that in Peru? Yeah. Sorry.

It's set in 1986 and 1987. Okay. And so like each of the like, it's like a true crime caper. Oh, nice. About this 19 year old kid who became like the cocaine kingpin of Chicago. Oh, that's cool. It's pretty cool. Yeah.

It's real. It's all real. Yeah. It's an amazing story. But so like each like big plot twist and turn, I kind of like am seeing what the number one song in America was at the time. Uh-huh. Because I just wanted to feel super 80s. Yeah, totally.

You know, like, like this dude is, this kid was like, I want all my dealers to be badasses. So they all got corvettes. And like they drove around in Corvettes. It's just like real 80s story. Love it. But there was like this big event. And so I was like, I got to see what the number one song was. So, like, in the tape, we can have that song be the score.

It's so perfect. It's the most 80s sounding thing ever. And it's like this big car chase scene. Okay. Bob Seeger's shakedown. Oh, wow. Can we play that on here without getting demonetized? For a couple seconds.

A couple seconds. Silence it out if you have to for it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm just like this is... All right, cut. That's the most... 80s thing I've ever heard.

Oh, yeah. Just that sound. It needs to be cut to a Richard Simmons workout. I think they, this is from Beverly Hills cop. Yeah, it's from Beverly Hills cop. Okay.

With Eddie Murphy and the curly-haired guy from police. I know who you're talking about, but yeah, that's great. Good, good choice. Yeah. That's good.

Look at Bob Seeger. Jesus. He's on all kinds of cocaine there. My opinion. My opinion. Yeah. You don't know for a fact. I got one last thing

that I wanted to bring to the public slash our attention. Please. Please do. I spend a third at minimum, probably closer to half of my year, every year, researching shark stuff. Yeah, sure. Right? I do shark week every year. It's like a big thing for me.

One of the sharks that I would say is the most difficult to find or dive with or document in the water is a six gill shark. So seven gills are doable. We get them here in Southern California. There's a few places. Six gill sharks. are quite rare.

They're a deep sea shark. You never really see them. Crazy looking. Very prehistoric. No dorsal fin. You know, people will catch them occasionally.

But look, all these images of them are submarine images down at thousands of feet. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. A couple days ago,

our boy Edwin sends me an Instagram reel. Kyle, see if you can find it. Six-skill shark capital of the world. Seattle. Oh, wow. Des Moines, Washington is known as the Six-Gill Shark capital

of the world. Every summer, summer juvenile blunt-nosed six-skill sharks, which grow to 20 feet long, make an appearance in the shallow waters off Redondo Beach. Wow. Apparently there's a Rondondo Beach in Seattle, not in California. Is this where they lay their eight?

Or where they made? They just come into this bay. And I just, like, nobody fucking knows this. Like, I promise you, if I, like, I'm obviously, someone is undeniably going to go to a Shark Week show there. That's not me that listens to this podcast and steals my idea. Yeah. But this is insane.

Like, this is like a big deal. It's like going completely, like two things you never say are, I'm going to Seattle to dive with six gill sharks. Right. Those are things that don't go into one sentence. And I just found this. And that's because these sharks are normally only found deep sea. Very deep, very elusive, hard to find.

What are they doing up here? I guess they're just going into this bay in the summer to mate maybe. I don't know. There's a similar situation to this with seven gills in South Africa and we did a show on that. But yeah, I just thought this was insane. So it says thanks to the area's unique underwater drop-offs. So does that mean that there's these drop-offs that go very, very, very, very- they come up and then you can see them.

Interesting. Because most places in the world, you know, you have a gradual slope or whatever, and they're never going to go shallower and shallower. It's great visibility, too, in this little spot. It looks great. It says they can get up to 20 feet long. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

They're going to host a shark in the park event. Well, that's already in July. It's already happened. but it sounds like they're making strides to celebrate and protect the six skill there. So that's good too. Well, I just, if anybody listening to this, any brosners have ever done this dive or have had a snorkels, please comment and tell me about it. I mean, this is, this was like mind blowing to me that this just sort of popped up as something

you can do in Washington. So how are you currently crafting your Shark Week special? I'm not. Haven't even thought about it. I just, I just want to go there. No, I just want to go there and do it. Because simply going there and filming with them. won't be enough for a show.

No, it's like a... You'll have to do something crazy. Right. It's maybe a plug for like if we did an alien sharks on the West Coast or something like that. It's like a section of that show. Six-skill sharks, I feel like are, are only exciting for real science nerds. I mean, dude, if it's a 20-foot-long shark. That's pretty big.

That lives in the depths. How deep do they go, these guys? Thousands of feet. Like, look it up, Kyle. See what it says. But I mean, you're talking like 1,200. Yeah, 3,000 feet. No, 300 feet.

To 6,600 feet. Oh, wow. Damn, that's crazy that they can survive in both those pressures. That's a huge difference. Yeah, that's crazy. It's because they have no swim bladder like fish. Ah, okay. So, most fish have an air pocket called a swim bladder,

and that gets compressed as you go deeper, so they can only go to a certain depth. Yeah. These guys don't. Whereas the blobfish is a swim bladder. Yeah. Is that correct? Yeah, it's just a...

Accurate. A ball of goo. Yeah, I don't know. I just thought this was like mind-blowing that this isn't like a known thing. And how many gills does a normal shark have? Five? Five? Yeah. An hot number, huh? Weird. So like two on one side, three on the other? No, five on each side. Five on each side. Five slits. And then six gills are unique and seven gills are unique. And there are others, but yeah. The seven gill goes really deep too, right? Yep. Yeah.

Is it the extra gill that helps with that? Like, does it help with going deeper or anything? No, that wouldn't make any difference. It's just their morphology is unique having developed that many Gil slits. Okay. Yeah. Kyle, play the Battle Royale jingle. Let's do a fucking Battle Royale.

Oh, man. We haven't done it in ages. We need one. Do you know what time it is? It's time. What? The battle. Yes.

Let's do it. Well, I mean, dude, look, it's still summer. It's not, it's not over yet. You know, it is not over.

We're in August. Still feel, summer goes till, what, mid-September? November. in California until just mid-December. Right. Yeah. We've still got some months.

All right. But like we've talked about, you talked about the Eco Lodge. Uh-huh. Then we looked at those wonderful pictures of Barbados. Yeah. Lovely. Okay. So I've come up with the Battle Royale here.

Okay. Bear with me. So you've got to come up with a vacation that you're going to take. Mm-hmm. A, an adventurous vacation. Okay. So you've got to pick a place that you're going to go and what you're going to do there, like what the adventure is.

could be wildlife, could be outdoors. Okay. All right. You've got to go with only one person and you can't talk to anyone else while you're there. The whole trip. The whole trip. It's two week trip. But it has to be someone that you've never met and is alive.

Oh, wow. Okay. So you're picking the person, the place, and the adventure. That's right. That's what the battle is. Wow. Well, no. The place and adventure go hand in hand.

Okay. Who are you going to go with? Yep. And then I need a third thing. What are you going to talk about? That's what I was going to do. Oh, okay, okay. And then you have to pick what,

you can only have one type of cocktail the whole time you're there in the evenings, so you have to perfectly curate this adventure of the stranger. And we'll go snake draft, old school? Snake draft, do you want to start, Peter? You want me to start on this end? Does the first one get two picks? Nope, never, never, never, ever.

I've legitimately forgot how a snake draft works. I'll start. Okay, I like this. So I'm going to go on an adventure with this one person to this one place and have a boozy drink. Okay. And I can't speak to anybody else. Right, of course.

But only one type. One type of drink. Okay. Okay. This is not that hard. Okay. Yeah. I think we'd get along really well.

Probably better than his... Starting with the person. Yeah, starting with the person. Taking him off the table. Probably better than his own children got along with him. That's going to get me some hate online. I'm going to take Steve Irwin. No, after you've got to be alive.

I thought he just said someone you've never met. They've got to be alive today. It's got to be someone you've never met who's currently alive. He's out. Okay. I like where your heads out there, but you can't go with Steve or? You can take a son who hates him, evidently. No, I'm just making that up.

All right, this is going to make it harder, but I hope it's elderly accessible. I'm going to pick Sir David Attenborough. Wow. Yeah. I'll start with that. That's my pick. Well, you better pick a place that, how old is he? 85?

94, I want to say. You better pick a place. You better pick a place. And an adventure that works with that. I know. That's why I said, I hope it's handicapped for elderly accessible. 99. He's 99 years old. Maybe I made a bad pick. I've got a lot of questions, though, so I feel like I'd be in good shape.

You'll have a blast on the flight. Oh, yeah. And then when we get there, I'll be like, oh, he needs a nap. Damn it. It's all right. All right. That's my person. All right. I'm going to start with, uh, I'm going to start with my person as well. I'm not going to go with Sidney, because I'm married. Don't pick her. But you were, you have been thinking about it since you were not. No, it's just that I'm stalling. Yeah. You're a racist. That's what it is.

I don't know I want to go. It's got to be someone I've never met. Never met. Okay. I know what I'm going to do. I know exactly what I'm going to do. All right, you do it. You do that.

I'm going to go on this vacation, and you'll understand why I'm doing this later on this adventurous vacation. Bobby Flay. It popped into my head. It did. Yeah. There was a thought was just I'd mainly be eating. Yeah, hanging out with Bobby Fly eating.

No, it's got to be an adventure. I want someone who. who's kind of fit. Yeah. I'm going to go with Derek Cheater. Wow. That's so out there and ridiculous. I have no idea why.

Why? He's my favorite, he's my favorite athlete of all time. Okay. And I mean, it was my formative years when he was winning World Series with the Yankees.

So now I pick three or four. How many do I pick here? Four. Come on, go. Do your two. Do you two. Any two.

All right. Well, listen, I'm going to go, you guys, this will be interesting for a few people. There's a guy. his name is Tim Taylor. He's a part of the

invisible college that knows more than probably... Also the main character of... Yes, Tim, the toolman Taylor. Look up Tim Taylor, NASA, or space. So he is a guy who basically and this is what,

where I'm going to go with him, this is my adventure. When there is a launch into space, he is the guy that goes into a secret room by himself and is the only one that has access to the cameras that get to watch the space shuttle as it goes into space and the other cameras that can see it from the ground can't see it anymore. So he gets to see all of the UFOs that are flying around every single

space launch we've ever done. Okay. I'm going to go into that room with him that he doesn't allow anybody to go into with him. Okay. Where he also claims that he got some kind of weird superpowers that allow him to be, come up with crazy biomedical inventions that made him rich. But I'm going to go in there with him. And Tim Taylor is my guy. That's my adventure. And where is his secret room? It's wherever NASA does the launches, I believe in Houston, Texas.

Florida, right? Or Florida. But it also might be SpaceX now. I'm not sure. So wherever he goes. So you're going on a very boring adventure to a white room with TV screens. Boring. Are you kidding to watch, nobody's ever heard of.

To watch UFOs to talk to a guy who's seen aliens. drink that you guys are going to drink. And who has touched meta materials. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be very boring. I mean, who might as speak? Super boring.

I want to go see a six-gill shark. Yeah. Did we, did I say that you had to have never been to this place? No. Is that one of the factors? Yeah. No,

it's not. Okay. Okay. So I'm going to go with my location and my, uh, my location and my adventure. Okay. And it's because the time that we went there, it got cut short. Okay.

I want to go back to the Mashuala Lodge. Wow. and Madagascar because I only got to spend about 36 hours there. And do you think Giro like that? Oh, I think he will. Once he hears about my cocktail. Can you sell it to him? Oh, I mean, dude, this place is not how you spell.

So we went there for filming. I had to leave early when someone had to be Medevac back to the U.S. And these guys got to stay at one of the coolest places I've ever seen. This is it. Oh, wow. This absolutely stunning remote, like, ecotage. Yeah, that looks amazing. Right on the water.

The booze set up there before you had to leave? Oh my God. The booze set up was amazing. Is that a river? Is that what that is? It's the ocean. Holy shit. That's incredible.

It's about three miles from like a Malagasy village. There's just like tons of unexplored rain. It's rainforest. It's epic. Does you feel like super connected to the fucking culture and like the rainforest? It's incredible. It looks like that. It reminds me of like.

Leamers everywhere. The shamanic journeys that people go on where they go and do Iowa Haskah. Yeah, it has that vibe, sandy beaches. It looks nice. Incredible fishing. Yeah. Oh, it was insane. I set a world record there.

See, I want to go back because I... Not to your own horn. I can get to really experience it. Hornedhoodhood. All right. You and Jeter are going to be hanging out in this... Okay. I wanted to be in a remote place with Jeter.

I've got a 99-year-old elderly gentleman with me. Yeah. Who I have so many questions for. How's his mobility, by the way? Probably not great. He's 99. I don't know the answer. but I'm certain that we're not going on a gorilla trek, you know?

So I have to do something that I've always wanted to do, but something that's not sitting at the top of the bucket list because those things are usually really hard physically. Got it. So something that's still on the bucket list that I want to do in my life, for sure, cannot miss it that is a low impact as far as physical trip goes. No plyometric training. No. So it's real easy.

Okay. Because this is something that I will do in my lifetime, but I have to do it when mobility is not a huge factor. With David Attenborough. Timing is critical. I'm going to go to Christmas Island for the Red Crab Migration. That's pretty good. We talked about it on a different pod.

Yeah. So the Red Crab Migration is this thing that happens. And you go to that second picture, Kyle. Look at that. It's a well thought of a plan. Go back to the one with the guy lying down. That's David. That's Sir David.

And I'm next to him. No. Oh, okay. But in my fantasy, that's him and I are lying side by side like this, looking at crabs. They're crawling all over us and I'm like, tell me about your first blue planet experience. And that's it. That's my whole trip.

And then I'll tell you, wait, do I do drink now? No. Oh, yeah. Yes, I'm up for two. Sorry. And we're doing that. We're obviously in a tropical destination looking at these red crabs. Yeah.

So we're going to have a, what's a nice alcoholic red drink that goes with it that's delicious. Red wine? No, no, no. I need like a vodka based Shirley Temple. I need like a. For David? Yeah. Sir David?

Yeah. I want to, I want to. Vodka cram. Oh. No, you know what? I want a strawberry daffery. That sounds nice. A strawberry daffery on Christmas Island with David Attenborough looking at crabs. Yeah, that is nice. Forget about it. You know what? He'd die happy after that.

That's summary. We'd have such a good time. Go to the one where they're climbing the trees, go. That's it. That's my, look at that. Come on. That is a, that's a world-class trip. I'm going to win this battle right. What are they thinking? It does sound nice, but I think I'm going to win if we have. Well, yeah, you're in the room. So, yeah, I'm in this. Lovely rainforest in Madagascar with Derek Jeter. And I hate to do this, but I'm just going to go with their actual booze setup, which is just infused rums.

Yeah. They have at this lodge, they just leave 20 glass bottles of different infused rums out. Homemade. Pretty nice. Homemade. Wild Malagasy vanilla in the rum. So you get this like real vanilla rum, not like gross Malibu style. Right.

Right, right. Of course not. It was amazing. We drank so much of it. Malibu rum. Gross. Okay. I mean, both very tantalizing options. But, you know, if you're like me and you want to see UFOs and have solid evidence of alien life and talked to a guy who's actually touched meta materials and possibly looked at aliens and talked to them, maybe, I don't know. But so Tim Taylor in this secret room where he gets superpowers too, so you might get superpowers. Fair. And then our drink is going to be just a very simple because I read about him and I know what he likes.

And it will be just a straight, neat maker's mark. It's simple. It's good. Your trip sounds like my nightmare. Sounds so boring. How big is this room? It's small. About a quarter of the size of the studio?

Probably two quarters. Oh my God. That's a half. Three quarters. Shut your butt. You don't know math. It's three quarters. in the comments, let us know who won the Battle Royale.

Is it my Christmas Island trip with David Attenborough drinking strawberry dairies? Is it Patrick and Jeter drinking infused rum and Mashuala Lodge in Madagascar? Great trip, by the way. Or is it hanging out in this room either in Texas or Florida unclear with this alien guy talking about alien stuff, maybe getting superpowers? That's a nice ad and drinking makers. That's right. That's right. And Kyle, whose trip would you go on?

Oh, the Christmas Island. Oh, shut the fuck up. Good night, everybody. Go to wild times. You would not. You would pick that over the... Shut it. Let me get to read it.

The lodge is really good. That's a good lodge. Wild times. Wild times. Wild times. Wild times. Wild times. Dude.

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