Wild Times: Wildlife Education - Forrest Galante On How To Stop Serial Killer Elephants In Thailand

Episode Date: March 9, 2026

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I'm constantly looking at this fucking knuckle. You know what I mean? It's like I wonder. Yeah, it's kind of annoying. Nothing to. Are you recording? I just ate the mic like a large. Let's go.

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Here we are. We're doing it. This is the Wild Times podcast. It's the greatest show on TV. It's greatest show on any platform. It is on TV. If you watch YouTube TV, shut up, Kyle. Soon to be on Netflix and Amazon Prime.

Yeah. Totally not true. I'm not true. I'm your host, Forrest Kalantam, the broologist. Joining me as the producer and brofessor. How are we, fellas? Great. I mean, it's exciting. It's doing a regular pod. Yeah, it's, it's always exciting.

There's a new, there's a new person in the studio today. Yeah, Jet, bring your handsome self over here. Take your headphones off. Come here. Yeah, I do think people need to get a look at this cat. Yeah, let's just get a look at this cat right here. Get a look at them. Yeah, just come in. Come to a twirl like one of my, my pretty ladies that I like to draw. No, no, up front right here, right here. Let's bring Jet in, give a wave. Lift your shirt up.

No, you don't have to do that, Jet. Don't do that. That's sexual harassment theater. Apology. So I walk into the studio. It wasn't a sexual thing. It was a funny thing. Because I lost my key the second it was handed to me.

Yeah. We got given keys? That's going to cost us $400 between the two of you. I didn't even know we got given keys. Yeah, we did three years ago. And so I have to knock on the door. Usually Kyle opens it. That man that you just saw Jet opens it.

Yeah. I had not heard about Jet. No. Because I, okay. I want to hear all about how we know. guy. You were shocked by... I'm shocked by... A little surprise.

By his appearance and he offers me a surprise. Jet, what did you offer up? Go on Kyle's mic. What did you offer up there? Here we go. This will be fun. 50 milligram sweet as zins. A 50 milligram nicotine pouch.

Yeah. So I had to turn this down and now, because obviously I would immediately just start fire hosing vomit. You would turn a green instantly. Dude, if I were to do one, it would be a three. Yeah, of course. And what did you...

Same with Pee. What did you say to me after he did that? Well, immediately, because Forrest then starts offering Peter varying amounts of money. Yeah. To throw in a 50 milligram nicotine pouch. I got up to $150 for Peter to do it live on air. And Kyle matched. It would have been 300, but still now.

And I'm just looking at Forrest and I just said, it's only a matter of minutes before he gets the idea to take one of the 50s and mix it in with either me or Peter's supply of three. Absolutely. I crotched mine. Mine is now next to my balls. And you also went on to say, Forrest, I just want you to know, if you do that as a prank, it is a friendship-ending prank. That's right. And a baseball bat to the knee. And a baseball bat to the knee.

And I said, it was equivalent of bat to me. And I said, okay, fair, I won't do it. So I'm not going to do it for those that are hoping. So let's find out, will Forrest be a man of his word. Yeah. We'll see. Or not. We'll see.

Hey, you still got those dicks on your car? No, but I brought them with me just in case. Nice. I wanted to put them back on for fashion. Dude, that's smart. I'd like some dick earrings, though. I would pierce my ears if I could just get a set of dick earrings. You won't take $300 to take a 50 milligram lip pillow.

Will you take $300 to pierce your ears live on the show? Yeah. Will you really? Well, not like I would want to do it with a needle. No, Jed has to do it. No, you will not do it with a needle. I have a rusty pocket knife in my car. You are.

I wouldn't trust you to poke a hole in a fucking potato chip, bro. You're rude. Kyle, can I ask you a question? Yes. What's in the news? What's in the news? Woo! Sir, moves from the underground.

What do we got, boys? Anything come across your lovely desks? There's a whole bunch of news. I mean, this is going to be a good show. We've got tigers. Yeah? Got elephants. We've got some, a hot debate about some crypted stuff.

Ooh, I don't even know about this. Coming out. Yeah, there's going to be an argument. And possibly a fist fight. And Peter started drinking already, so. It's a brand new flavor of light strike, blue rush. 1027 a.m. Yeah.

It's a good time to start, sir. People don't need to know the times and dates. I like to let people behind the curtain. Okay. You're insane behavior. What do we got for news, Pat? So this is coming from Kau Yai National Park in Thailand. Okay.

A wild bull elephant has trampled and unfortunately killed a male tourist in his 60s while he was walking by his own tent. Oh dear. That he was sleeping in this national park. He was grabbed. The elephant grabbed him by his trunk. slammed him to the ground and then stomped on him. Wow. I don't think you can survive that.

But here's where I have a lot of questions for you for us. Go ahead. This is the third human that this elephant has done this to. And I can explain that. Go ahead. So it's a bull elephant, right? Yeah, yeah. So as we know,

Asiatic elephants are much calmer in disposition and temperament than African elephants. People ride them. They use them for logging. They use them for begging. They used to use them in wartimes. Everything you can imagine those elephants have been used for. To this day, they're used in agriculture and everything else. However, what a lot of people may not know is bull elephants,

Asiatic and African, but bull elephants go into a process called must every year. Do you know about this? I've heard about it. I can imagine it's not great. It's like, is it like the rut, like bison? Basically. Yeah. So the must is a process in which the elephant's testosterone will surge.

up to 300%. Wow. And like a frat boy when he goes into this, he's either got to something or fight something. Bleep that, please. Holy crap.

Yeah, because he's got this just massive hormonal imbalance, chemical imbalance in his brain telling him to do something. Dude, their testicles and penis double in size. Yeah. This is fucking insane.

These are African elephants, so it's not a very good depiction of what I'm talking about. But all these... Go back to the beginning of that, though, real quick. because I think it's worth pointing out. Look at what's happening.

Yeah, that's nice. It's a good deed. It's fully just massively swollen and its testes are doubled. And so it is being flooded. There's no way it can even think. It can't. It cannot. And I can show you guys on my YouTube or whatever examples of this.

But the elephants, they're constantly dribbling urine because there's just so much testosterone surging through their body that the testosterone is coming out through their urine. So they're constantly dribbling out urine. Yeah. They're getting so angry and upset that they're jamming their heads into things. In the wild, in the forest, they're throwing logs around. They're literally, like I said, trying to bleep this cow, but something or fight something.

That's it. That's all that's on their mind. It's essentially what women do when they get pregnant and are in the third trimester. I think it's more like a, I mean, it's more what men do because it's testosterone. But here's an example of an Asiatic elephant that's in must. and you can see a couple of behaviors. One is he's trying very hard to kill me through the fence. Well, you are wearing some pretty short shorts. Yeah, well, I mean, when you've got legs like mine,

they are infuriating you short. It's like holding a red towel in front of a bowl right now. But yeah, anyway, so this must process goes on. So that swaying is a sign of anxiety. They do this thing where they have like a Fleming response where they put their head in the air and they yell and they trumpet. That is a sign of frustration where they start pushing their forehead into the ground. Can you go back to that?

I mean, that just looks like the most frustrated animal on the planet. Does it? Yeah. You're just given. It's just given up. If you're just listening, the elephant literally just does the equivalent of a human face palm. It just bends its front legs and just buries its forehead in the dirt and just shakes its head back and forth. I've seen like, I think I saw my dad do that once.

Okay. So what is this a mating season thing? Why does this happen? Yes. So, and yeah, look again, same thing. The same head to the forehead. It's fucking miserable, dude. So it's once a year?

So it's interesting because it is, it's once a season. It's a breeding season thing. But it can last from anywhere of, from like, I think it's like 30 or 60 days to over a year. Oh my God. And these elephants just have to get it out and have to get it out by fighting or mating or something. And traditionally, interestingly, interestingly enough, traditionally in the wild, this must is a mechanism for elephants to find mates to fight with other bulls to be dominant,

just like any male animal of a herding animal is. But because humans have brought, and I'm going to tie this back to the news story in Thailand, but because humans have brought these animals into captivity, what they typically do is when an Asiatic elephant that works is a logging elephant, a begging elephant, a circus elephant, any of these things go into must, they chain it to a post until that must process ends.

And you could smell it, by the way. If you're near the elephant, it's this pungent, pungent smell. I'm guessing that's why they gave it that name. Yeah, probably, yeah. And anyway, long story short, it's really psychological torture for that elephant because you just imagine you wake up today and you have a 300% surge in your testosterone. Yeah, bro. If you don't go to the gym and punch a punching bag and yell at somebody and grab your wife

and throw her on the bed and you know what, like you're going to explode, basically. So what people have historically done, and I'm going to, this is going to tie back to the Thai elephant. What people have historically done is to manage that, they'll tie the elephant if they're like a pet elephant or a service elephant up to something until the process passes because elephants in captivity can't go out and mate. So what do they do? They get all this testosterone and they get pissed off.

And that pissed off results in them wanting to fight people and defend their territory against people. So what has happened here in Thailand? I guarantee you, I guarantee you. This elephant's killed three people. I promise you he's in must. And he's in a scenario where he doesn't have any females around. He doesn't have other bulls to fight or at least people are going into his territory. And this guy's just raging on chemical imbalance in his brain going,

fucking don't come near me. I warned you. Boom, killing people. Dude, so it's, I was just looking at it, said in the wild,

they can get through this process if they're able to get, you know, get some action. That's right. Within three days. That's right. But if they're chained up, it can take a full year.

Yeah. Oh, wow. So the difference is, you know, what it is? You guys remember scary movie? Remember the scene and scary movie where he lets go? He has his big release

and she's like glued to the roof. It's that. It's that kind of buildup. Heeness, heinous scene. Kyle, find that scene. Let's run it. I have not seen that movie. There's no way. You've never seen scary movie. Kyle, do you even know what I'm talking about? No. Oh, wow. I've definitely seen it. Scary movie

come to the ceiling scene. I don't know what else to call it. Yeah, Jizz Cannon. Jizz Cannon. This is it. Let's watch it. Let's watch it down. It's a minute. Avert your eyes.

No, this is good. So this guy, I forget the story, but he's... Well, just get, because we could only play like 15 seconds of it. Get to the part. Here it goes. He's been waiting to blow his load for three years. Yeah, he's in full must. He's in full must.

No, no, it's going to be near the end, Kyle. The scene ends for me. this. Where are we? Okay. Eric, yeah, yeah, yeah, right there, Cal. Oh, God, it's so bad. Wait for. Oh, my God. It is just a skin. His whole body goes goes thin. That is what the elephants are going through. I want you to understand the frustration that they're feeling. There's a great depiction. This is for science that we're

showing this. Sure. Yeah, it's definitely exactly. Fair you. What's going to happen. But I do want to ask a quick question. So obviously chaining them and waiting for this to bypassing. they have to, they're using, these elephants are in use, like they're working elephants. We have to do something like, can't they just like jerk them off like they do cows or whatever they do? That's a really good question. It is a good question.

Try and get under an elephant to jerk it off. When it's in must. When it's in must. It's impossible. Like maybe like honestly, this could be a fucking, I'm not even joking. This could be a multi-million dollar invention. Get yourself a big old floby or something. Dude, I'm not even kidding.

Without the choppers in it. Yeah, bro. Like, if you got a shop vac with a nice, like, like, an extension on there. Bro, this is, this podcast is derailed. No, no. If you got an elephant pocket pussy and just fucking figure it out a way to like slide up under there and just like, we're talking about conservation here, dude. I'm not, I'm not kidding.

Bro, if you think I'm joking, that could solve everything and nobody's tried. Well, so. You got to get it done. So there in the last, take notes. In the last 13 years, there have been 220. people killed by elephants in Thailand alone, right? How many of those do you think were due to this must? I would...

Most of them? No, like probably 75%. Sure. Because the others are going... You can still upset a female elephant, a bull not in must, startle them, you know, all those things still happen. But what you're likely to see in a habituated situation like this news story is an elephant in must.

People are used to him not being pissed off. Yeah, right. So that's, but see, that's what's going to happen, right? Is like, well, they're saying that they're considering trying to intervene. They're not planning to kill this elephant, but they may relocate him somewhere else. They may try to change his behavior. And what you're saying is potentially something as simple as a way for something that he could fuck. Yeah.

Peter. Could actually solve these negative elephant and human interaction. Well, I mean, I'm inclined to say, like, you could even. telling you, dude, it's like a shop vac with a nice sleeve on the end of it. Exactly. Let me expound on this a little bit and ask you a somewhat serious question for us. We're beyond that. If you were to create a fake female elephant, but like you gave it kind of a pocket pussy that it could go into, would it, would it learned to do that to alleviate this must thing? No, because elephants, unlike human beings, don't have sex for pleasure. They're not one of the very few animals that have sex for pleasure.

And elephants are far too intelligent. It doesn't matter how Ace Ventura you go on your decoy. They're always going to know it's not an elephant. Elephant could talk to another elephant, right? They speak their own language. Right. So you're never going to fool it into mating with the elephant decoy, and it's never going to choose to do that for sexual relief.

Now, if elephants are so smart, though, aren't they? And wouldn't they just have the wherewithal to be like, I know that's not an elephant, but I'm going to take a shot at this. Maybe. But again, they don't have the drive to have sex for pleasure. They only have the drive to have sex for reproduction. Okay. Let me ask you this then.

Now, what if you were able to get them to do it once somehow or you did it for them or you forced them? And then the elephant realized that it alleviated this kind of anxiety and horrible feeling it has. Might it do it the next time? time just to alleviate that? Maybe, but I think it's the same thing with race horses. So they actually do this with racehorses, right? They'll, they'll give it the old to the racehorse when he needs it. And I think that you never make a fake mayor butt for the racehorse to get the job done. You know, they don't do that. They just, they go in there with the glove and take care of the job. So I think

that's what has to be done here. Go ahead. By force. How much do you think that person gets paid? The racehorse guy or the elephant guy? The racehorse guy. I think you should. gets paid. You should Google this or chat GPT this. Like what does the guy? I'll tell you this. The chef in my fraternity house in college, we had a chef. Where is this going? And chef is a very... I'm so

confused by that. Chef is a very low... That's... Yeah, you made grilled cheese sandwiches. Right, right. She kept things stocked and would make, you know, eggs in the morning. It's okay. A lovely woman. Her husband was a bulljurker

for cows. Wow. Okay. But he'd also cleaned our He also cleaned our bathrooms once a week on Saturday. Wow, he just loved to do dirty shit. Yeah, he jerked bowls during the week, five days a week. Did you ever talk to him? Yeah, he was a nice guy. I never asked him how much he made.

Oh, okay. But I don't think it was like, it wasn't like he was like ripping up in Ferrari. It's not a lucre. But when he rolled up, did he have forearms like Popeye? Just from Yang. I think so. He definitely had calves like this table. I remember that.

So apparently to, to, do this job for the race horse jerk. And it's up to $100,000 a year. Wow. Peter, you've been looking for a side gig. What kind? You don't even need any training. Well, that's the head.

So that's the head reproduction tech. Ah, okay. At elite breeding farms. So to be clear. So that's a little different. Yes, but I just want to point something out. That is the head reproduction technician at elite breeding farms. Kyle typed into his search, how much does the horse jerker get?

and it knew it knew it knew what he was talking how else would you frame that question no it's great you had to be quick you were quick with the question you got what we needed it's good producing so and just so you know how much money is at stake in that world

top breeding male horses they will get over a million dollars per load of sperm just for the sperm before any eggs have been fertilized or anything. That has nothing to do with the female that needs to still carry it. Wow. Just the sperm, a million dollars. Dude, I'm, just to go back to our, our story here, I'm actually really hot and bothered on this idea of building an elephant slurp gun. Bro, can we, can we like maybe do a video about

this? Like, I want to be involved. I'm not sure what the video is, but I'm interested to know. Creating the gun. Well, because if here's, here's how I look at it. All jokes aside, like the funny side of it is there. I'm serious. But if these guys, when their elephant goes into must, they usually pin them up and chain them up, if you could make literally like a handheld slurp gun or something, and that could relieve the elephant, and that could save them six to nine months of being chained to a post, I don't know if that's how it works or not. Right. I don't know if you'd have to do it once a week, or you do it five times, or, but I don't know that that's been attempted. But it sounds like, I mean, with what? Probably hasn't. What the facts are here? It is very

taboo. Like there's probably some listeners who already turned us off because of this topic. Rightfully so. No. I do think that it should actually I'm not joking about it, but it's an actual conservation topic. I think it could actually save a lot of emotional damage and torture to elephants if this were successful.

Kyle, look up if anybody's ever tried this real quick. They don't love you. Just see. You know, can you can, I don't know what you're going to Google. I really don't know what you're going to Google. Can you extract sperm from an elephant artificially? In must. I see, I do think that this could work.

See what chat, GPD says. And I'm, I'm dead serious. Yeah, but you can obviously take sperm from an elephant. Don't, don't look. I mean, they do AI on all those things. Oh, we got to deal with AI videos. No, no, not AI, artificial insemination. Oh.

That AI. Look up if you can extract sperm. Has any, I don't even know. It's okay. It's okay. I know you can do that from an elephant. I'm trying to figure out if you can do it during must to end must. Got it.

If you. jerked off an elephant during must would that shorten the must cycle? That's the question. You read that fact that that was in our little fact sheet here. It said it could be three days if they get out of the, if they are able to bang.

It didn't say that. It just said in the wild it could be a, they can get out of it as short as three days. Right. So I'm assuming that means they just have access to like fighting and sex. For sure. And that's why like that video I showed at Ventara,

they give them these big enclosures with trees to throw around and all kinds of stuff. pretty dangerous because the things will throw trees over fences and stuff. Well, ChachyPT is hallucinating an answer here. What's it say, Kyle? It says no. Why? Because it says it's a hormonal state, not a pressure release problem. Okay, but I mean, when you... No, because you're that low as your testosterone.

It definitely affects your hormones when you release. Yeah. Peter, do you know how you make a hormone? I don't... What? You don't pay her. Wow, dude. Now all female listeners have tuned out. This is a, this is, it's okay though. I thought that was a good time. It was really good.

No, it was a good one. That's like the one joke I remember an older uncle telling me from when I was a kid and I didn't understand it until I was like 15. And he was like, ah. He was like, don't tell you about that. Exactly. Was that a good South African accent? No. Sorry, Zimbabwe.

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Hang on. Let me do a game. Let's not forget, though, like, this is tied to an actual conservation thing. Elephants are super emotional, and I would love to be able. It pains me to know that they're being fucking tied to polls for, like, months at a time. I don't think you care. F you, bro. I've seen a horrible video of, like, them putting pigs in cages, and it was one of the most traumatic things I ever to deal with in the TV industry. Like, just.

Yeah. Yeah. So it really does. You get, you do get really affected by the stuff. I remember. It's funny because you're. such a vulgar animal like with certain things.

Yeah. But like you do get like genuinely with animals. Deeply emotionally affected. That's why you're on this podcast. It's true. It's not for your knowledge base. It's for your heart, baby. You care none about human. He cares. He cares. I care about my family and my wife. Just really quick before we move on.

Do you guys want to just talk about your your shoe choice today? What? Sure. Way to derail a podcast. Nobody wants to hear about it. I also notice that we're all wearing boots today. Also, I think because of our camera angles and because none of us can keep our feet still, he can.

He's probably right on your face. I think it's just, I noticed on a recent clip on our YouTube that the boots looked really good on Peter and I. So I was like, yeah, I got to start wearing boots. I didn't know that you were jumping on the boot train, though. You watched this podcast? It has nothing to do with you guys. That's a lie. You know you were jealous of how good we looked in our skinny jeans and boots.

Oh, man. This is such good part. Let's move on. Are we all showing that we're like, very old because our jeans are way too tight for current styles. Let's ask that. I'm sick of Kyle. Yeah, I'm 30 years old. Yeah. Oh, dude. Jed, how old are you?

21. Oh my God. He's barely allowed to drink. Wait, so is the mullet in, is the mullet and mustache a thing with 21 year old? Yeah. Now, I've, I mean, I've had the mullet since fifth grade. Dude, that's huge. That's big. Yeah. You got great hair.

What, uh, what, what's your take on our, our general aesthetic of skinnier jeans, boots, and like fitted shirts. Be honest. Boots with skinny jeans is criminal butt. Well, dude, Jinko are coming back. A buddy of mine,

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inside each leg. Kyle owns several pairs. So these are so back. I love them, man. My friend who has a 12-year-old daughter, she got upset because she's, a 12 year old girl and was mad at him because he threw out his jinko jeans X years ago. Oh my God from like childhood.

Because they're like 300 bucks now. They're totally back. They were like Ross items that were like 12 bucks. Yeah. And like it was kind of embarrassing if you rocked up and jing. Honestly what, okay, Forrest, you Kyle's a partner in the wild times and he obviously can't be fired. Yes.

But on your YouTube business. Yeah. What would you do if Kyle Rock? up to LAX. You guys were flying to India in a pair of these. Go top left. No, I'm not joking. I would insist that he flew in his boxers or laughed. I wouldn't allow him to be seen with him. Oh my God. Yeah. Sitting on a plane for 17 hours, man. That might be kind of comfortable. I'm with you, man. I love this style. I'm glad it's coming back. I love it. Would you be seen in those, Kyle? Of course not. No. I'm hoping Zubahs are next. Remember Zubas? Dude, if those

roll in Zubaz come back, so I grew up in upstate New York. The closest team was Buffalo. I remember these. So literally, my teachers wore Buffalo Bill Zubaz to teach him in school. That's wild. Well, Anthony Hammer made it a thing, right? Like you had Parachute Zubaz. You had parachute.

I don't know if you had Zubaz. Can you pull up a pair of Buffalo Bill Zubaz? This is great. I love it. I love this podcast. I just don't even remember we're doing a pod most of the time. So like literally, like my like sixth grade teacher would just one day a week where Buffalo Bill Zubaz to teach.

That's wild. It's a dip in his mouth. Bill's Army. Yeah. Nice. Spitting it out. More news coming out of Asia. So there's a, there's a,

a murderous tiger on the loose. Is that right, Kyle? What's going on with that tiger? Sorry, say again. There's it. He just, he doesn't even look at. He doesn't even look. What are you doing over there?

You know what just happened? You know what happened? What did you eat for breakfast? Nothing. I know what he ate. You know how sometimes when you've, eaten something, like an hour later, you'll find just a little piece

of food in your mouth. I was like, that had just happened to go. I was biting my lip. But he still has headphones on. I mean, he's listening with his ears. He should have heard what we're saying. I think he just tunes out when we talk. Dude, this tastes like it has way more alcohol than the other ones. It's really

good, though. All right, screw it. I'm in. The Blue Rush Light Strike. I made it till nearly 11 a. I'm a little bit annoyed because I was definitely, I'm done with mine. I was about to grab his. It's a breakfast cocktail. It feels and tastes very much like it's appropriate for 1049. I agree. All right, back on track here.

A man eating tiger. But wait, is it? It's not. It's a calf-eating tiger. So there's a tiger. No, but listen, yes, but we've discussed this before. Tigers with jaw problems and teeth problems, they'll get a taste for humans. This tiger, however, has decided to narrow in on calves killing five since January 17th,

which is like two weeks ago. Yeah. And he's just locked in on terrorizing these cows and taking these calves, which makes sense because they're an incredibly easy prey item. I'm actually surprised this isn't happening more, to be honest. Well, you know what I, and you and I have done a ton of research and writing about various man eaters. That's delicious.

That's my new favorite flavor. Obviously, we've, you know, obsessed over Jim Corbett. Nearly named my second son, Corbett. I still don't think. You know what? If I accidentally get my wife pregnant and have a boy. I'm just going to take the name. Dude, if I accidentally get your wife pregnant,

you should take the name. That's true. Yeah. Although I'll know the second my baby's born with a beard. Yeah. A beard and a huge head. Oh, yeah, when it can't come out, I'll know that you have done it.

We're sorry, your wife is passed away. The baby is still inside. We cannot get it out. It's wearing her, like a hat. But so, yeah, we've done a ton of research on the famous man eaters. of them were from India and this this tiger that's killing a bunch of calves. But the thing I've always found really interesting is that when this happens, whether it was been leopards or tigers,

that they're going from village to village. That's right. Yep. And so it's like, you know, obviously now in 2025, everyone in India has a cell phone. Absolutely. And so thank you, G.O. Hot Star. Okay. That's not a sponsor. No, it's a service provider. It doesn't matter. It was a joke that didn't land. So describe to me what, like, when I think of a village when Jim Corbett was going to hunt a Jaguagia, pre phones, pre-internet, not a Jaguar, sorry, a leopard. It's okay. I like the way you said it. I can imagine what a village was like in 1920.

Yeah. What is a village like today? Because the story says that it's going from village to village and everyone's terrified about this tiger. I think so, like you said, in the Jim Corbett era, there would be these small Indian villages that were, very, you know, clay bricks, mud hut kind of, you know, that's more Africa, but like that, a very clay brick building their own houses. In the mountains. Surrounded by dense forests.

Exactly. Surrounded by dense forests. And I think even more so sparsely populated between villages. India now has the highest growth rate on the planet, right? Like there's more people being born in India than I think the next five countries combined or something like that. So now in India, there's still beautiful tracks of wild land in India. but these villages are very populous.

There'll be a little village can be 10,000 people. Yeah. And there's cars and there's India's crazy. I love India as you guys know, but it's the noisiest place you'll ever go. You have to just kind of embrace the chaos. It's like everybody's got, Kyle,

pull up like a fucking YouTube video of an Indian car horn. It's like a very high-pitched. Dude, it's crazy. Like, I'm not even joking. Kyle will find one. But like all these villages and things, you'll be in this beautiful, Indian landscape with dense jungle, misty mountains,

and the whole time you're just hearing, like, here... I really like that sound. Like, let's see if we get a truck horn here. Yeah. Constant, though. Constant. That's so... I wonder, like, what's up with that? I don't know. What happened?

Every single vehicle in India has its own sound. It's unbelievable. And they're always like, but here we use a horn like, hey, asshole, you ran a red light. Everything's so serious here. Right. Their horn usage is. like, hey, how's it going?

Maybe that's, moving on your left. Maybe that's why it is. It's like, it's like a celebratory to. Right. Yeah. It prevents violence, probably. It prevents road rage.

I massively derailed the question, but the point is these villages now, for the most part, are pretty like loud and chaotic and populous, and there's electricity and there's cell phones. So it's very different from the way a tiger would have stealthily moved from village to village. They're still very stealthy, but it would have been like, this tiger showed up in a village.

Hold on one second, call. I'm too distracted by this. It would have been that these tigers showed up in a village. They killed somebody or killed livestock and then slinked back into the jungle and then popped up in another village it was 20 miles away. Now, in order for a tiger

to get from one village to the other, most likely, they're probably traveling along a busy road, you know, just out of sight with car horns going and livestock and people on foot. And it's like these tigers are pretty inundated by people.

They're pretty accustomed to it. So when they're moving now, they're sort of moving with people as opposed to away from people to get between villages. So now how do you... How should they handle this? Like how, what should they do about this?

Is there something to be done? What did I read, CalS scroll up? I think it says the forest department, right? Isn't that the group in India? The officials, blah, blah. Oh, I didn't read it here. Yeah, they think it's roaming potentially because it's mating season.

And so all it's doing, it hasn't killed anybody, right? They put up camera traps, some thermal drones, et cetera. But it's just going from village to village eating small livestock. Yeah. And they think that it's looking for a mate because this is all happening during mating season. So it's roaming. Right.

And there's not as many tigers as there used to be because there's now one and a half billion people in India. And I think to your earlier point, this wouldn't have been news. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, oh my God, a calf was killed in this village. It probably happens all the time. It would have happened daily back then in the 19. 20s or whatever. And the information would not have traveled for one village to the next very easily

because there weren't cell phones and internet. So I don't think this is news. I don't think this is different. I also don't even think it's conflict. I mean, to the point of nobody's been hurt, of course, there's probably a dozen plus coughs per day being predated upon by leopards and tigers in India. It's kind of the cost of doing business in that area, basically. It's no different to, for this. It's no different to all the farmers here that get upset when the wolves eat their calves or a coyote takes a sheep or it's the same thing. Like I don't think there's anything to be done. That said, you're a farmer. You're pissed about it. This is your calves. It's just predating phones or any technology. What would you do? Oh, I mean, back then you would have. You just taunt them?

Rallied the, rallied the local town and lit some torches and tried to kill them or, you know, whatever. But I don't, I, I'm glad we're talking about. I'm, I'm glad we're talking. about this because I find it interesting, but I think it's just the cost of doing business. Right. If you're, if you're, and also the other thing, too, to realize in India is there aren't ranchers with giant things of cats. I mean, there are, but we're thinking of this from a Western American perspective where you're like, this guy owns these cows and one of his calves were killed.

When you go to India, cows are sacred in India. There's cows everywhere. There's cows walking around downtown city streets. Yeah. There's cows in all the villages. They're reproducing on their own. They are some of them owned by people. but for the most part, they're just sort of all over.

Oh, interesting. So it's not like there's probably, it's highly unlikely, I would say that one individual has suffered from these killings. Let me see some video footage of just a present-day village. There, see the cows? With a bunch of cows in- Like that. It's exactly like that. So it's kind of brick slash cobblestone road.

Yeah. A bunch of cows just grazing off to the side. Yeah. But there's cows absolutely like Kyle, go to any other shot of any other village. There's cows everywhere. And that's why I'm saying it's kind of unlikely. There's just cows everywhere.

Do you know what I mean? So it's kind of unlikely that there's like a single individual who's suffering tremendously due to this tiger. It just feels like such non-news now. Well, but that's my whole point. That's my whole point.

It's pretty rare though that you get anything with a tiger related in the news these days. That is true. Unless it's some asshole with a zoo. I did tell Edwin's a specificly. Oh, by the way, Jedd, I sent you a text

because you're already buzzed. From your responsibilities real quick. Jesus. You have Jets? phone number. Of course. I didn't even know that he existed until I walked in. But aren't you happy now? I am. I'm

really happy with how willing he was. What are you doing? He's going to get us some more polite strike. Oh, he's getting you. Is this why you hired him to bring you drinks mid-show? You're a terrible person. By the way, Kyle, how far did Jet drive to get here this morning? Far, far, too

long. How many hours? Four. Thank you, Jet. Outrageous commitment by Jet. On an eight-hour round trip? Are you going to sleep in the studio? You can sleep here. You should live here. Glu Guy. That's what we call a glue guy. Let us know what you think in the comments. Please let us know

whether you like seeing Jet popping in on camera or not. There's no way you don't like it. I will say the comments, I would imagine, will be pretty positive. They're going to be very fun. I think so. Jet, do you have a girlfriend? How long has she been your girlfriend? Pop on the mic. Five and a half. Five and a half years, he said. Five and a half years.

So high school, high school, sweet. Wow. But the point is we're not, we're not setting them up through the pod. Remember, we tried desperately to do that to Kyle on the rail. Someone offered Kyle a date, and I would say she was quite a bit more attractive than Kyle is. Turned it down. This is true. This is true.

Can we get into some, like, scary creatures? That's called a segue. What? What are you talking about? That's just a perfect segue. It's a fucking question. No, it's a good one. He's complimenting you.

Why do you get so defensive? It was a very weird animated. He's really sad. He was a ludicrous reaction. It was a ludicrous reaction. He thinks the world is against him. Just you. You got so upset when he was complimenting your segue.

You think your wife's against you. You think your kids are against you. No, stop. Calling out a segue, like, that was a segue, is definitely a snarky bullshit thing. You know what? I forgive you. I listen to like two different podcasts routinely daily.

and like when someone hits a great segue, they'll usually hit it. Oh, okay, good. So that's what I was doing. Did you guys listen to Peter's voice memo this morning? I did not. Did you? He's very, well, let's let it rip.

Yeah. Pinning, baby. Like a 20-year-old kid running around. Yeah, baby. Pinnit! Peter, how did you go from that guy to the guy getting upset when Patrick says, good job on a segue?

Well, it's just because I, I've known him for so long, and he makes, you know, there's history there. Okay, that's fair. It's the extra testosterone from your pinning. Nah, it's mad plus, baby. No, just mitochondria in the cells, baby, my telemores. You have no idea what we're talking about. Peter started a new peptide regimen, and he's very excited about it.

And he looks great, and he's got more energy, and the bags are gone under his eyes, and he's very difficult to be around when he has this much energy. It's like having two forests, honestly. Which is just too much. Listen, let's get to the fucking scary animals. Set it up, let's go. You have a thing? I just wanted to hear about scary animals.

He doesn't know what it is. Oh, I do. So it's a new game that I invented with Jet. Oh, nice. In the one minute we had together. I like that. Tell me more. Yeah, please.

Live Moss. It's called the biologist. And the brof, were you? I thought I was going to say the brof. Brofessor. Yeah, the brofessor. Yeah, the brofessor. The brof.

So, here's the assumption. I thought this might be fun. Okay. I'm going to give you two cryptids. Okay. All right. One of them, you just have to assume that in the world, one of them exists. Okay.

I want to know what the layman thinks is likelyer to exist. Okay. I want to know what you think. I got it. I like it. Yeah. I get it. I'm the judge because I know the answer.

Oh, of course. You know which one actually exists. Yeah. It does. It's just a pretend thing. but it's kind of fun. People like when we talk about this stuff. Yeah.

Let's do it. Let's do it. So one of these actually exists the other ones fake. The Loch Ness monster, known as Nessie. Yep. I'm going with just two big ones right off the bat. Or Sasquatch. Oh, arguably the two biggest.

Arguably the two out of all of them that really do exist. Well, that's probably why he did that. He really threw us for a loop of there. They're very equal. Yeah, because he wasn't going to go big foot and fucking moth. man. You know what I mean? Could be coming up.

Yeah. All right, Peter, you go first. Explain why. It's a really tough one for me personally. Because I do think that the evidence for Nessie, the Loch Ness Monster, I just feel like is more legitimate. And there's been a lot of sightings and there's a really good video, although I think it was debunked, but there's been other videos.

And, but Bigfoot. it ties into the whole UFO paranormal thing I'm into. And it just, and I worked on a Bigfoot show and like I listened to people convincingly talk about their Bigfoot sightings. It's really even and it's really hard. I almost think they're both legit. But if I had to choose, I would say that Bigfoot is the more real, is definitely real. Interesting.

So again, coming from a biological perspective, and knowing one has to be real in the context of this game. The likelihood that a pleasiosaur somehow survived, and it's only one or two or three, whatever lives in the lock, and it somehow survived or had some kind of reanimation living in one deep lake in Scotland, right? That's my long now says.

Yeah. And that, you know, it's been seen three or four times and is scared and lives in a cold water environment, all these other things, to me is less place. than the idea that the only gigantic new world continent on the planet that doesn't have a big ape has a big ape, meaning Bigfoot. The biological assumption is that Bigfoot makes sense. In other words, if you took all of the silliness out of it and said, what's more likely to exist? A giant reptilian dinosaur in a cold water environment that only lives in one lake in Europe or a large primate like a gorilla in North America, which one is more likely to have evolved and been there. The answer is the large primate in North America.

Sure. Now, let me just question. Now, let me throw this one thing out there. One lives on land. One lives underneath this lake. Yeah. Are there more people and cameras and trail cameras on land in North America or in the very deep depths of the lock?

Undeniably in North America. See, doesn't that question make you angry? It's very snarky. So, no. So I'm saying, How do you have to take that into account when saying like, why don't we have definitive proof of one? Yes, because I would have said neither are real. You can't.

And you won't edit that out, Kyle. That's not the game. But Loch Ness is 745 feet deep, I see there from Kyle's Google search. We do not possess the technology, believe it or not, and people will argue this, to fully monitor the bottom of an 800, 750 foot deep lake. Yeah. Like, we could put an ROV down there. We could drop a couple cameras down there. That's not the same as looking all over the bottom of this murky dark lake.

Right. But you're, I mean, there are many things that make this problematic no matter what. But the more likely thing from a biological perspective is that this great ape has evolved, this giant primate has evolved in North America. And just like with humans and other things, the reason that it succeeded and evaded human capture through trail camera and through eyesight and everything else, is because of its intelligence, and its intelligence is what sets it so far

atop the food chain and why its population is so low. So anything that moves up in the food chain gets a lower, you know, there's a lot less whales than there are sardines. Right? As you move up in the food chain, your population becomes smaller and smaller. And the more, as we've talked about, energy goes into brain function,

the less that goes into reproduction and survival and everything else. So the theory to dispel, your question would be that there are big foots. They are a great ape or a primate or whatever they want to that you want to call them. They're just so intelligent that they've managed to evade capture. Sure. Versus a dinosaur,

which probably wouldn't be scared of people. Did Pleasiosaur live in freshwater? No, they're marine, I believe. And also they're not dinosaurs. We'll get fucking lit up again. Yeah, I know. They're marine reptiles. It's the angriest that the general consensus of people who consume the show have ever been.

Ever, ever. When we called, what are we supposed to say? Marine reptiles. Dinosaurs. Yeah. Wow. Which is, it really speaks to the nerdiness of our audience. Is there, is, is pleasiosaur one of, uh, so it's not a dinosaur.

There's obviously various species of dinosaur. Were there various species of, like, pleasiosaur, marine? Yeah, yeah, of course. There are pleasiosaur and mosaure and I don't even know many of the others. Why are they fucking called a sore? Isn't that the end of the word dinosaurs? Yeah. Okay.

So they are dinosaurs. But like the lock nest being a pleasiosaurs is just sort of assumed from the various reports because it supposedly has this long neck. So people are going, well, what that swims has a long neck and a head like that? Right. Right. And kind of the hump while in that one debunked video. If you got to be the first person to definitively discover one of these two.

do? Which one would you, which one would be more exciting? Oh, no doubt, Bigfoot. I mean, are you kidding me? You'd be hailed as a hero. Not even close. Lockness Monster for sure. Why? Because almost going back to what I said before, we've seen gorillas, we've seen chimpanzees and orangutans. We've never seen no human being on earth ever in the history of humans, not just today, alive, have seen a giant marine reptile. To me, that would be. I mean, first of all, crocodiles, as we know, are my favorite animal. This is a better crocodile. Right.

I would be so excited. When did they go extinct, Kyle, pleasiosaurus? How many millions of years ago? Let's take a guess. Let's take a guess. I'm going to say 600 million years ago. I'm going to guess 75. Yeah, I'm going to go.

I'm going to go kind of in between. I'm going to say about 250. Let's go. Run it back, Kyle. Your price is right. No? Oh, I was close. You were closest.

With 66 million. 66 million years ago. Oh, no, you did go over. But Pat, Pat, I'm curious. why would you pick Pleasiosaurus? Like, because it's the scientific,

just a huge, you know, yes, it's not a dinosaur, but something that went extinct at the time dinosaurs lived. Yeah. And then suddenly this thing

that lived in saltwater has adapted and survived for an extra 70 million years. And it's huge and terrifying. Yeah. To me, is just way cooler than, you know,

I honestly think Bigfoot would make bigger news. It would. Yeah, no doubt about it, especially in. North America. The marine reptile, not dinosaur, is cooler. I'd like to, I'd like the Brosters to weigh in on this one because I, I, I am, it's

unbelievable to me. Like Bigfoot, I just feel like it's, it's like a tool. It's iconic. It's almost like a like a basically just below a human, maybe not even below. Maybe it's above a human and it hides and isolate. So I'd love to hear what the Brosner's got to say about that question. We spent a lot of time on the first matchup. What do you got next? Should we do one more? I think so. Yeah, I think we should do one more. All right. Um, Let me pick. I'm going to pick a good one. Yeah, I'm doing that and that.

Those are my two right there. Okay. Which is more... One of these exists. We have proof. And I've got a fucking gun to your head. And if you get this wrong... Yeah.

You get this guess wrong? I'm going to aim it at your toe and shoot your toe. Oh, okay. Well, I'm glad it's the toe. No, it's going to hurt, though. Yeah, it is. It's not going to feel great. The Cracken.

Oh. A giant octopus-like creature that was so large, you can attack boats and take entire Viking ships. Well, he said it was. So now I, if he knows which one's actually still around,

he's a little hint there. You're really reading between the lines. I like that. Or it's the light strike. We're going to transport you to the Congo River Basin in Central Africa. Okay. To where the Mokola Mbembe,

did I say it right? You did. Mokalabembe. Mokula Mambi. It's been photographed, right? Isn't there a famous picture? Is there a picture? There's definitely depictions of it.

Can you describe it? It's a massive dinosaur-like creature that lives in the Congo River Basin with a long neck. So another marine... I believe there's a photo. No, this is terrestrial. Oh, terrestrial, okay. Wasn't there a photo of this that somebody took?

Oh, that one? Yeah, that's not... Okay. I don't know the photo, but I know that there's been... Like, this is one of the most consistent stories told. Really? As in like most people that go to the remote Congo hear about stories of this animal still existing today.

Okay, I think you should go first so I can get a little more information forest. Well, that kind of bones it, but okay. All right, I'll go first. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'll go first. I do have a theory. Oh, look at that trail camera sighting of the mochloa. Yeah, that's not a or painting.

To me, this one's pretty obvious. It's the same theory as what we talked about before. if there was a mochalomebe, moccalobembe, what it would be would be like a new species, not a dinosaur. Well, I think Loch Ness Monster is potentially

a pleasiosaur or whatever. I think mochalo Membe is its own species that is yet to be discovered or described if it persists. Most likely a large, longer-legged crocodilian, which there were many of back in the day. So it's of the crocodilian

because there are incredible crocodilian, in the Congo. So it's most likely a large crocodileian of some kind with longer legs, right? That's what it would be. What other crocodilion? Like you said, there's a bunch of amazing crocodilians in the Congo? Yeah, like African dwarf crocodiles and stuff like that. There's some incredible stuff. There's the orange cave crocodiles. I don't know if you know about these. Kyle. I'm actually quite interested in this. I only knew about alligators and crocodiles. Oh, no. There's 26 species. Really? Yeah. Look up, but my favorite one, Kyle, is look up the orange.

cave crocodiles. Oh yeah, let's see this. These are real. Because I am also intrigued by crocodiles and alligators and so is my son. That's somebody... No, no, no, that's shenanigans. That's real, though.

Okay. So, long story short, in these caves, in the Congo or somewhere else, Kyle? Maybe you can find the information. I want to say it's not the Congo. Gabon. In Gabon, thank you.

There are these caves in Gabon where dwarf crocodiles have moved into the caves and they spend so much time far back in the cave that the sun has stopped affecting the pigmentation of their skin. And so their skin, they've started to go like cavefish are all white and have no eyes.

And cave spiders are all white and have no eyes and blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, these crocodiles are spending so much time in these caves that they're on the evolutionary road to becoming one of these white blind creatures. And so the pigmentation has changed so much in their skin that their skin has turned orange, which is on its road to becoming white.

Right. Oh, interesting. It's really incredible. I mean, it's like something that I would kill to go and see and do. So one of the things that fascinates me the most about like crocodiles is the fact they're like 250 million years old and kind of, well, I learned actually from you, which I thought was just insane, is that they have not changed in all that time because they're like the perfect predator essentially.

A lot of them. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, like saltwater crocodiles and stuff like that. These other crocodilians, like, are, is that the same story with them? I mean, maybe not the evolution thing, but have they been around that long? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. The crocodilian lineage, I want to say it's 600 million years that they've been around and remained basically unchanged because they didn't need to.

Now, they've had adaptations like Cuban crocodiles run on land and are very terrestrial and these cave crocodiles are going to caves, blah, blah, blah. But anyway, to get back to the point here, if there is a mochalumbamba, it's probably, and, some kind of crocodilian. That's what I would think. Because it's described as a large lizard and it's dangerous and blah, blah, blah, blah. I would think it's a new species hasn't been described yet. Similar to the Salas story that we've talked about before, where everybody was like, there's a unicorn in the Anamite Mountains, and they're like, shut up. And then it's like, oh, wait, there actually is. I think that is less feasible given the amount of scientific exploration, mining, everything else that's happened in the Deep Congo now, than a very large squid, which is why we're not.

what the colossal, what was, sorry, what the Cracken was. It was a colossal squid, in my opinion. Basically, we still to this day have things like the lost, the loneliest whale, you know, the 54 megahertz whale. We didn't even know that giant squid were real until 20 or 30 years ago, until they started finding washed up ones. Yeah. Even though sailors have depicted them for generations. Once again, if, knowing that there are colossal squid and giant squid that get fucking huge, 25, 30 feet long, whatever. and now we've seen samples. The only thing that would sit above them in that food chain is a cracking, a gigantic squid. There would be a tiny, tiny percentage of, or population of.

So, yeah, you're going odds in favor of the crack. I think the crackin is, I actually think the cracking is legitimately real. It's just what we think of as a colossal squid today. Okay. Wow. Well, I disagree. And I'll tell you why. So the Kraken that I've seen depicted is more along the lines of an octopus.

So I'm imagining an intelligent giant octopus. And if that were the case, then I'll tell you this right now. We would not, there would be underwater civilizations that were more advanced than humans. if there were octopus that lived more than two years and grew that big. So therefore, it could not be that the Cracken actually exists

and it is in fact the Memooa. Yep. The Jason Mamoa. It's hard to fight with that logic, isn't it, Kyle? It sure is. Yeah, that if there was an octopus with its brain,

huge brain, because his huge body, and long life span. There would be full on cities. Right. And that because of that, Jason Mamoa is a real thing. Exactly.

Yeah, it's really hard. It's really hard to fight with that logic. Yeah. Do you see this, we heard about this theory that the Mokalimbembe's a submerged elephant with its trunk sticking up? I always hate those, and I'll tell you why.

I love the picture, and I can see why people would think that. You're basically calling everybody that lives in the Congo stupid. That's true. Yeah. Because this isn't like a Scottish tourist source. Yeah.

I'm going to try words. It doesn't matter. This isn't like a Scottish tourist looked through their binoculars and saw a whale penis and said, oh, it's the Loch Nus monster. You know, this is saying that all these tribal people that live in the Congo that say that the Makal Membe are too stupid to know that another animal they see every day called an elephant is swimming in a waterhole where they go to wash their clothes and fish

and see elephants swimming every day. Over decades and, well, centuries even of sightings. So I get the point like that, like that picture right there could absolutely be the trunk of an elephant, especially like there where there's forest elephants and things, like snorkeling across a lake, which they do. But I find it kind of insulting to insinuate that all of those people that say they've seen this thing are all mistaking an elephant underwater that they see almost every day. I mean, look at, but by the way, also look at that. Yeah. Like if you're far, if you're far enough away, like, I mean, I know what elephants are. Yeah. And I could know that,

But like in, you know, in very low light. Absolutely. And I would also mistake that as someone who knows elephants, for sure. You've had some of those asiatic mushrooms. As a tourist. Yeah. As a person who doesn't live alongside this daily. I think it's almost insulting to say that the tribal people who look at this all the time go,

oh, well, that one time the elephant looked different. Well, this would be, yeah, this. Look at the two though, Kyle, top right. That really does look like something. That's a really good. It is. depiction of what two underwater snorkeling elephants. This would be, though, like in their periphery because they've seen this.

So, like, they already, like, understand this as a thing. Like, again, like, the tourists wouldn't understand that this is a thing. It's easy to confuse that. But they, they understand this behavior. Exactly. And I've seen it. And see it constantly. This would be the first thing their mind went to.

And then they would have to cancel that out. It's also, and I don't want to get too derailed. But as I've talked about before with tribes in Africa and Popinian, Guinea, there is a very thin line between fact and reality. And legends that are passed down generationally are seen as fact. They're not seen as a fiction or a legend. They're just, they're told as a fact. 100%.

And it's a cultural thing that the three of us sitting here cannot actually fully understand. I think we can. I mean, in Western culture, it's, I don't want to offend anybody, but that's what the Bible. You're taking literal stories that are passed down as things that have happened. and then you go out and try and find evidence for it to validate those stories. Imagine if Santa Claus, you know, if the whole, like to a five or six year old Santa Claus is fact. Right. It's not fiction.

And if it wasn't for the fact that parents had to perpetuate that by putting out milk and cookies and putting presents under the tree, it would just be fact for six year olds. It's like that except in a more sort of spiritual capacity. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like Johnny Appleseed, which I feel like was the only thing. My entire third grade is just learning about Johnny Appleseed. That's true, right? I think he was a real guy, but like...

What's the actual legend of Johnny Appleseed? What I learned is the reason that apples exist in North America is because of a man who wore like a bucket on his head who went around planting apples. Yeah. Like, he's a real guy. Yeah. I feel like we learned that like, I don't know. I feel like the lore of like the only reason we have apples in North America is because

of this guy is not true. Oh, man. You've just crushed my world. No, just kidding. Okay, so... But he was also known as, like, this very kind man who would show up and make you laugh. I like that. A jovial apple planter.

Hey, listen, brothers. Wait, wait, wait. I got to know what Joe... Which one is the one that is still exists? Oh, yeah. You've got to do a ruling. Oh, it's the Crackin. That still exists.

Yeah. He's... Peter's going to go on a whole diatri about how you're glad-handed something. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. No, it was the whole thing in Pleasiosaur National Park and the guy who found what he thought were middens of a giant octopus that had been playing with its food

in a similar way. That's right. That's right. So, you know, octopus will basically in their den, they'll make these little arrangements of bones of the fish they eat. Yeah, I've seen that. And this one guy, Mark something, I can't remember which university was from. Kyle. But he found arrangements of something that had been eating pleasiosaurs.

Oh, wow. He was saying this looks just like what an octopus does with their food, but it was something that was big enough to eat these pleasosaurs. Oh, interesting. And so that was very... It was a midden, what they call a midden. I could talk about... Controversial. Octopus behavior all day.

Like, what's the guy's name? It's crazy. I'm sorry, Icteosaur National Park. It's crazy that octopus do that, by the way. Yeah, yeah. They just build giant structures, like structures and symbology things in their living area. It's so cool. When you keep one in a tank and you see that...

do it. Oh my god. Okay, there you go. So he found vertebrae... Okay, I was wrong. It's all ichthyosaur, not pleasosaurs. But he found... Which is a dinosaur, not a marine reptile, if you're listening. Is it? No. I'm just going to piss everybody off. Anyway,

it's an interesting thing. Hey, weigh in in the comments, let us know what cryptid you've heard of that you think still exists potentially. Or is the likeliest. It's the likeliest to still exist. It's a thought exercise. Peter, do the thing.

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