Wild Times: Wildlife Education - Mystery Animal Found in River, Aliens Drawing Lines in Desert & Monkeys Stealing Babies

Episode Date: June 23, 2025

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Wild times. Here we go. In studio, how are we doing, Jens? Doing good. Yeah, great. Patrick, your posture looks really good. You're sitting very upright in your seat.

I saw, I don't know who did it, but someone put out a little Instagram video that was making fun of how most male politicians sit with their legs crossed. And I was like, I'm going to, wait,

like this cross, like girl cross or like this? guy. I don't know. I'm gonna sit like this. Okay. It's just it is weird that we all sit with our legs crossed comfortable. This is my favorite sitting position, right? Who's making fun of that it's comfortable? Why does everybody have to make fun of everything? Can you do both ways? Can you cross your other way? Oh yeah. I do that all the time. I have to switch. Yeah. I switch several times. Do you have a single leg sit? I can. Yeah. My hips are too tight to the other. His hips. His hips don't lie. Uh, okay. Well, that's, well, that

That was a way to start a pod. I'm Forrest. I'm the host. There's Patrick and Peter here. If you don't know this by now, just sign off. Wow. And he drops the F bomb too.

We got a brooster animal mystery. Top of the show. Haven't done one of these in a while. Okay. Love that. You're usually the mystery guy. I don't know what it is. I haven't read it yet.

At some point, we've only been in the studio for two years. At some point, Kyle could maybe get some mystery music on the board where he could play a little mysterious. Wow, it's kind of mysterious. kind of liked it. I don't think it was bad. I know where your head was at. You're like, it's not. The more you know. I want it to be a bed of music, score. Oh, this won't make sense to the listeners because right now they'll be hearing that score.

Perfect. Kyle wins. Let's hear it. Okay. Set it up. This mystery occurred on May 16th, 2025. We're in Ohio, right on the border of Pennsylvania. That's the Northeast, Peter. Didn't know those two states touched. There's someone, a man, presumably named Chipper. Could be a woman.

Well, any thoughts? Uh, male. Chipper is a serial killer. No, I just, what do you think it is? Oh, so far? Yeah. All I know is they're on the border of Pennsylvania and Ohio, and there's a guy named Chipper around. Yeah, I mean, that's enough information to solve it.

Based on all that information, I guess there's a squirrel that's done something. Okay. Chipper. Okay. So, heavy rains had just flooded the area. Kyle, you need to... Can I interrupt for one second? Sure.

You need to, like, first of all, you suck. But secondly... Wow. Yeah. You need to get ahead of your game. Like, when Patrick says, heavy rains flood the area, you need to get the... Yeah, sound effects for everything. Well, this makes sense to the viewers.

You're going to add that, too. They already heard it. All right. I'm kidding, Kyle. We love it. Some of our recent lake beaches... What's a lake beach? It's a beach around a lake.

No, but what's the score for it? Flooded. No waves. What do you mean? I don't know. Move on. If that was me, you guys would have derailed the whole podcast. Hang on, after a few days, the water levels receded.

Okay? Chipper's wife and his son recently went to one of the beaches where there's a playground. Okay. And they came across of... Yeah. So this. If you can pull up the picture without him saying what he thinks it is. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, it was a good job. All right, here we go. They came across this. Ew. Ew. Looks like a bloody carcass.

So, Peter, what are we seeing? Describe this mysterious animal that came after the flood. It looks like a splayed out carcass of some sort with blood red stained on the top of its back. And really strange, is that the skull of its face? Give us a zoom in. It does look like a skull. Now, Peter, about how big to... Does this thing look to be to you?

It's actually next to a sizable looking log. So I would say this thing is maybe 18 inches. Oh, I thought I was going to say much bigger. 24? No, it's like, it's big. I'm going to say three to four feet. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Okay.

I could smell this picture. Yeah. Yeah. It's gross. It's pretty heinous. He wants to know, Chipper wants to know what type of carcass did became the subject of my son's nightmares for the next six months. A good question.

The blood on the top is is interesting because if it's what I think it is, how does it get the blood on the top of that hard exterior. So you're saying it's a turtle. Thanks, Peter. I didn't say that. No, you said that. You said that. Well, I mean, it would be a very large. Turtle for North America, right? That's so hard to say. I mean, the skull looks very mammalian to me. The skin looks very, it's clearly decomposing. Could it be a pygmy hippo?

I feel like it's more like, uh, it's, is that a turtle shell? It could be, but if it was, it's not what you're thinking. And I'll circle back to that. My first instinct when I see that is not turtle. It's mammalian. And the skull, like, you're looking at the skull, the head is facing towards us. Obviously, rotted really a lot. It looks like a woodchuck to me.

Interesting. Like a big, fat, bloated. Yeah. Doesn't it kind of look like that guy? I could see that. Yeah, because they have big fat bodies. Right. It's like it's lost its hair.

And it's hide, though. Let me throw another one out. You pull it back up, Kyle? But the hair goes almost first in the decomposition process. Is it possible? It could be a beaver? I thought about that, too. I'm really struggling to understand the back end.

I know. Zoom in on the back end, please, Kyle. The feet are so short. It is very strange. If you're just listening, it's worth taking a look. Because it almost looks like a giant sea turtle, which wouldn't be in a lake, that someone cut the shell off of. It does look like that.

But does that tail look? bevery? It's very fat, but that fatness has probably also come from the bloat and the decomposition. So I think, Kyle, give me one of these real quick. Google image, soft shell turtle skull.

Let's see what the skull looks like. And that's going to tell us if that's going to line up. No. That's not it. That's not the skull. That's not a soft shell. So the only possible turtle it could be, go back to it. Now, the only possible turtle it could be is a soft shell. turtle. Right. Because a regular turtle

it's got the shell. It just doesn't look like that. But I wasn't familiar with what a soft shell turtle skull looked like. So it's not a turtle to be clear. So we are... Chipper thought that was Chipper's best guess. He's... And I mean, I get it because the skin and the discoloration does look like a dead

decomposing soft shell turtle. Yeah. It's not. It's mammalian for sure. Why don't we do this? What state were we in, Pennsylvania, Ohio? Right on the border of Pennsylvania. Why don't we look up mammals of Ohio quickly, Kyle. Let's get a little checkbook.

I mean, this is a good one. I'd like to go to this site and take some samples. Yeah. Hit that muskrat image. Well, Groundhog, that's what I said. What utensils would you bring to grab samples? An exacto knife.

Okay. And a beaker, a vial. So it's not a Bunsen burner. I don't think it's a muskrat. I think it's much bigger than a muskrat. Muskrat's get pretty big, dude. Yeah? Yeah, they get like three foot long.

So I'm going, I'm sticking with my original, my original guess, which is the groundhog there or the... Not a groundhog. Groundhog. Groundhogs are much smaller. What did I say? Woodchuck. Woodchuck, chuck. What is a woodchuck? How much wood could a woodchuck chuck? I don't know. I don't know either. I think it is a groundhog. I don't know. Does it be a beaver? Look at a beaver skull. The problem is the teeth. Oh, wait. Hold on. Go back to the image. Go back to the... I'm an idiot.

You know what it is? What is it? It's a raccoon. Really? Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. It's a dead, super bloated raccoon.

I'm almost certain. Let's take a quick gander at a raccoon skull. That makes sense. The skull's a good way to figure it out. Maybe not. I don't know. It's pretty close. Go to that one over, so it's more top down.

Now go back to the image. That's pretty similar. Pretty close. That big nose gap. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a bit. I will say the nose cap.

is significantly different. Yeah, but I think that's rotted and broken out. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's starting to chip away. Yeah, because the skull on the top left there looks a little bit. Now, let me ask you this. Can you just go to Armadillo skull? Ooh, interesting.

Armadillo? Do they have armadillos there? They do a little further south? They might have them there. Wow, Armadillo skulls are super cool. Yeah. I'm never seen that before. Certainly not a dilla.

Look at that head on that armadoles. That's a good animal mystery. Very. It's very hard to identify. It's gross. All right. This is one. What was our?

What was our? was our guy's name? Chipper. Chipper. This is one that if Chipper had decided to make a fuss on his local, like, what's the Facebook thing that everywhere? It's like the neighborhood watch thing. Oh, yeah.

Next door. Next door. Like if he had made a fuss on next door, this would have been a national news story. Right. Yeah. Alien creature washes up in Creek, you know, like this. Unlike the mirror UK. Yeah.

Where they put all that click. Yeah. Okay. So gun to head for me, I'm going raccoon. And I, yeah, I'm going raccoon. Can you just, can you just really quick say, just Google image rotting raccoon corpse? Yeah. It's getting at like a safety violation.

Kyle's going to get banned. The problem is with like rotting and decomposing things. Everything decomposes differently based on the environment. Well, yeah, because that's in water. That's why it's so bloated. Loading else, yeah. All right. Well, those are gross pictures.

Yeah, it's pretty bad. All right. Well, that was a good mystery. I'm going to go raccoon gun to head. The tail doesn't make sense to me. I don't think maybe it's a beaver. You're just not seeing the teeth. I don't know. Got to have the brostersner's way in on this one, Kyle. Beaver kind of makes sense to me. Look up a beaver skull real quick. Beaver. It's probably like a porn website. Beaver skull.com. Dot org.org. Dot.org. No, see, it's the shape. Totally not. Shapes not right. Skull-wise, I think this could be accrupted. This could be a cryptid. Yeah. Because it's, I mean, yeah, get the reg.

That's not really a crack. What would have like that big nose cavity? I think that's just broken away. Same with the eyes. Like, see how they're not circular anymore? Yeah. Like, they're chipping away. They're rotting.

The skull over there is missing. And is there a ridge on the top of the skull? You know, some animals get that ridge. I don't know. Hard to say. Real gross. Yeah. I'll tell you that.

It's really. Very uncomfortable. It does. Hey, Kyle, this didn't make news, but let me ask you this. What's in the news? This should be. It should be. It is now.

We just made it news. I'm going to hijack real quick. Okay. Because I want to talk about this. Okay. Scientists. We don't have an article here. It's not on the show doc.

But I think Peter, once he's done looking at Reddit, have you heard for us that scientists have announced. that they have discovered a large sphere in the skies of Columbia. No, what? Yeah, scientists. Just do Columbia sphere. A metallic sphere. Whoa, wait, what, they found this?

This is real? Yep. Peter, you got to be all over this. Yeah, I mean, I can get into what I think afterwards, but you guys go ahead. What do you think it is? So basically, this fell from the sky. and it's this sort of ornate sphere. But didn't they, so didn't they also see it flying though?

Or no? Yeah. I mean, supposedly, yeah. So they have pictures of a sphere flying right there. And then there's claims that this is the same sphere, but, you know, how it is. It's like there's no way that they can actually prove that. So what Peter's saying is there was a UFO that was a sphere and then some guy came and made this and is hoaxing everybody? Is that your guess?

Listen, I mean, a lot of people think that this is a man-made, like, object. Obviously, it has seems, it doesn't really look alien. It looks like it was creating. Anyone could make this. This could be at home goods. Right, exactly. And a lot of times these, there is another example of this that was found many decades ago, I believe, that is more legit. So the verdict on this is that this is pretty hoaxy.

Really? Yeah. It's a decorative fruit ball from IKEA. I mean, they were talking about the hieroglyphs on it and how they're like a fake kind of something that humans would fake. There was video of it flying, though. I haven't heard about this.

I didn't know anything about it. Look, they're doing some real analysis on it. No, these are real scientists in Colombia and some Mexican scientists went down there as well. Oh, interesting. What do you know about this, Pat? That's it. Okay.

That's the extent. Well, see, the thing is that, like, I kind of, I categorized it as hoaxy right off the bat, so I didn't really look into it that much more just because of what I read about how it wasn't really linked with the flying video. And then the writing on it, it just seems very hoaxy. Like, I mean, our alien, like, we've never found any other alien artifacts that have, like, this hieroglyphic writing on it. And yet now you find a whole object that's just covered in this, in what? Like an ornate design? Well, but there's some interesting things about it, right?

So they've been studying the metal. It has these microspheres within it when you look at it through a microscope. Okay. The weight is, it's incredibly heavy for its size. Mm-hmm. And it has like multiple densities of metal. The scientists have documented that it's, that the weight is variable. Sure.

So it's the weight of it changes. What do you, which is very odd. Well, yeah, that's obviously insane. saying. Like, it weighs... But I mean, if you went to IKEA and bought a Kahloplin fruit ball, would you also find that the weight changes

and it's variable and it's just like made by some factory? You know what I mean? Like, is this... No? I don't know. If I weighed this table, this table will... We'll weigh the same.

Oh, you're saying the weight's variable as in it changes from when they weigh... I thought you meant like different areas weight. Oh, no. Like, the weight of it has changed several times. Interesting. Sounds like human error. But so I asked, I asked friend of the podcast, Gotti, who does the NBC News, you know, you've been on there for us.

Yep. Because he's very into all this stuff. Not into it. He likes to report on it. Yeah. And he was like, he was like, the scientists that are doing the studying aren't like top experts. They're not seen as like incredibly credible. Yeah.

By like the American news media, but it's not to say they're not. And so he's, he was, when I. talked to him and when this first happened was very undecided. Well, they're, you know, they're probably Colombian scientists that typically study, I don't know, monkeys or by all, you know, cells or something like that. And now all of a sudden they have this thing. And they're like, well, shit, we don't, we don't have like alien guys down here. Yeah.

Well, it's a tough one, though. It's also a tough thing to get a degree in. Yeah, totally. I mean, dude, what I do appreciate, though, is the fact that this stuff, these kinds of things are coming out in more mainstream fashion. So, like, this isn't just being posted as, like, rid of it. articuling the fact that this might be some kind of, you know, come from space or something. At least they're attempting to do research on it.

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I like I don't know. Do we think that's alien? Do we think that's manmade? I think it's alien. I don't even know what you're talking about. But I did let's let's wrap out this story about the bugosphere. Okay. Boogosphere. First. Bugisphere. The, Did you see the update on this today? No. Of course not. Every scientist that was part of this was like 13 people. Oh, wow. Today, all simultaneously disappeared this morning.

Shut up. No, fuck on. I made that up. That was good, though. You had me for a second there. It was too overblown. If you said like six, die. All right.

So what are the NASCO lines? The NASCO lines are these lines in Peru that are drawn over tens of miles, huge, huge drawings. You not familiar with these? No. Really? Look, it's a Tarantula. Yeah, so these are the Nazca Lines.

What? Yeah, in the middle of the Atacama Desert. Yeah, that's where they found the little tiny alien boy. Yeah. A couple of them now. Right, this is the Atacoma Desert. Anyway, middle of Peru, and they have these giant, and I mean giant, like they're miles long drawings.

People didn't even know that they were drawings until flying overhead. And they're like, oh, wait, look at the size of these. Sure. So I just, I don't know why, but I was like, metal orb, whatever. And then I was thinking, what is the leading theory on the NASCAR? So what's your, have you read up on this? No, I mean, as much as I know about the NASCAR lines is where they are finding, digging up these supposed alien mummy bodies.

So, I mean, you know, the theory is that in the circles I run in is that this was done by some sort of advanced civilization. Kyle, ask AI what the leading theory. on the moon. Yeah, I am curious. So for those who are only listening, we were just looking at photos from high up in the air where you can see these like mile long, what

look like cave paintings, but they're carved into the ground of a bunch of animals. Yeah, exactly. So ritual, religious significance, water and fertility ceremonies. Most researchers believe they were created by the NASCA people

between 500 BC and 500 AD. Okay. They serve for ceremonial. How? I mean... But they made a... So here's a question.

Yeah. One of the drawings is of a baleen whale. So did... Did these NASCA people who lived in the desert have access to ocean faring? Well, it... How close... Let's see.

Go to the NASCA lines on Google Maps. Because I'm going to call BS on that if... They lived in the Atacama Desert and never went to the ocean. Let's see how far we are from... the ocean. Pretty far.

Did the NASCA people have boats, Kyle? That needs to be fun. Kyle, how do you not know the answer to this? I mean, come into the pod knowing. There's also monkeys. I don't know. There are monkeys in the desert? No, definitely not there.

No evidence of ocean-going boats from the NASCA civilization. So how would they have made a Baleen whale 500 BC living in the desert hundreds of miles from the ocean and no evidence that they used boats? Also, no area. Like, no, they can't do this from above. So they're, that's my thing. Yeah. How do you know you're drawing a four mile long monkey with a curly tail?

Right. I mean, I think that's one of the mysterious parts of it. Right. I couldn't do that with a crayon on paper, let alone, seriously. Like, let alone miles, you know what I mean? Like, that one you can see on the mountain, but that you can't tell. They're also meant to be seen only from above. And it's like, if these were created 600 BC, who's meant to look at these things?

Well, the gods. The gods. Sure. Okay, yeah. That makes sense. Especially it's a religious thing. But look at the state of that road. But are the gods the ones that helped them figure out how to do this is the question, right?

And you're saying the gods of the island? Maybe. And how have they lasted for thousands of years, right? Like you'd think they would, wind would, they just basically scratched off the top layer. If the pyramids didn't exist in Egypt, this would be the only thing people talked about for aliens. But the pyramids just overshadow this. I'm really curious what percent of the people listening? knew about this.

Knew about the NASCAR lines. I really want to know. If you're on YouTube or you can drop a comment, just write NASCA yes or NASCA no if you hadn't heard of this before because that's one of the craziest parts of the story to me. That you've never heard of it. This should be the biggest news.

NASCA knows for the next five years. Or a group of flute band name, by the way. At least in your history books when you're in high school or something or in elementary school, you'd think that they would teach you about this. But it's, Okay, so the prevailing theory is that these desert dwelling people made... What's the biggest one, Kyle?

Because I want to make sure we're not talking shit when we say that they're miles long. I think it's up to 1,500 feet. I don't think it's mile... Well, each individual object as far as... Oh, yeah, they're way smaller than I was saying. I mean, still... Yeah, but still, it's a quarter of a mile. 1,200 feet, a quarter of a mile.

Over the span of miles, though. So, I mean, you know... So how do you... Okay. I can accept that they could... Maybe someone's on... a high perch and is yelling instructions. Wait, some of the straight lines run up to 30 miles.

Oh, so they have a straight line. Yeah, but then there are the biomorphs, which are the animals we're looking at that are 50 to 1,200 feet in length. Yeah. So, I mean, well, a straight line, you could do over 30 miles, right? Could you draw a straight line on a piece of paper? Seriously, can you? No.

Especially not in 600 BC. That's what I'm saying. So I guess I don't know. But you could just use the sun to just keep walking for an entire day. Yeah. Shadow, yeah, yeah. But to me, let's forget the size.

What is that one supposed to be? Is I want a fucking dinosaur? Maybe a bird. A dodo bird or something? Yeah, but what kind of bird? I think it's supposed to be a condor. I saw the mystery of it, dude. It's great.

But let me ask you this. Okay, so why to see from the sky? It's to the gods. What's the reason? While they needed rain, whatever, blah, blah, blah. 1,200 feet long. I believe that someone could be at

elevation and be giving directions and help them standing on a mountain top or something. Yeah, sure. But the baleen whale. Pretty bizarre. If they had no knowledge of the ocean, that to me is that's too big of a hole to poke in it to keep the theory in my opinion. So what is your theory then? What do you think that the current theory is wrong? I know, but so what would you hypothesis? Or I guess that someone else came in later from the

and then added the whale to these cool drawings? Yeah, I think that's the question, where they're like nomadic people that brought stories of whales. But you don't think that there was potentially any being that was in a flying craft of some sort that either helped create these. So let's say it was a higher intelligence, you know,

from another planet, alien. What would be the point of essentially making stick figures of animals in the area? Well, I mean, I wouldn't necessarily theorize that it was the aliens. but potentially like a advanced civilization that's now or some advanced technology that got wiped out, you know. I want to go see them. That's all I know.

Let's go. Yeah, that'd be cool. It's really fun when you get into this stuff. Like, I don't know enough and we shouldn't do a deep dive on it by any means. But like all of the stuff with the pyramids and all of the mysteries surrounding the creation of the great pyramids in Egypt. Oh, my God.

You know, some of that stuff is just crazy. The fact that there's now like water stuff. sources a mile underneath them and like these spires reaching down there that they can see on LIDAR and it's yeah how about how about just the fact that uh when roswell the roswell incident happened back in 1947 the government or i mean one of a guy who was high up in the government that basically the PR guy for the for the military at that time the air force i can't remember which one came out and said that a that a uh flying saucer crashed and that And then literally, like, that was the story that came out.

Right. And then retracted it and came out later and said, no, it was a weather balloon. And then years later, the official story that came out from the Army, military, whatever, Air Force, was that it was a secret, like, spy balloon project that we were working on having to do with, like, to, you know, spy on Russia. So, dude, these things get covered up. And it's like regardless of what we hypothesize they are, you can only do just that because they're not going to give us what they know. It's just so easy to discredit things too. Yeah, I agree. It's so easy to blame it on something else.

Like, nah, that's not it. Oh, and now with AI coming out, bro, the, uh, have you seen these new videos that are coming out? Oh, yeah, V-O-3. It's insane. Google's new AI that has audio and everything else. I just- Kyle, pull up some of those ones I sent you on Instagram. Dude, so there's a video I just watched where it was-

Do the influencer one? Do you know the one I'm talking about? The one I sent you the fake influencer talking about Coachella or something? So it was... Yeah, that one. It was showing, like, watching TV and going through just, like,

random channels on TV. So it went through, like, Discovery Channel, to a news channel, to like this and that. And it was all just these... What is it? V-O-3? For some reason, it's coming in low resolution.

It's not... V-O-3? Is that what it's called? V-O-3. It's a new Google AI program. This is a... I don't know if Kyle can... play it with audio and not in tiny Yeah, but it's perfect essentially. Yeah, you wouldn't know.

And the audio is perfect. And that's the thing is AI until very, very recently. I gotta give them that. This is wild. We don't want to drive gas cars anymore. Yeah, no more gas cars. Yeah, there's even talking over one another. With background sounds and like the whole thing is done now. Like everything.

So what? We just are like, I mean, what do we have to tune out because we can't believe video for anything anymore? That's what I was saying. Like all the alien stuff, all the extinct animal stuff. I know when we dug into the Neil Waters recent citing on that extra bonus pod a week or two ago

that, you know, I was like this could just be AI. Can I believe it. You just tell V-O-3 make an AI image of a thermal scope looking at a thylosine walking through the night. It does it perfectly. It'll do it perfectly. Yeah, that's crazy. Well, it's fucked for like, I don't know. Like, where does the line

begin to get drawn now? Because it's like, look at this. Like, give us audio too, Kyle. I mean, man, the acceleration is crazy. You look far. Step on the pedal, and you are there. I feel safe with him in an SUV, and it seems to be like the right type of car for him. Even the guy.

If that was just cut into a car show commercial, you would never know if that was fake. You wouldn't know. Are you detecting anything fake in there? Now I'm looking for it. Yeah. Well, you were saying, though, so where does that leave us? So V-O-3 is an AI video generator. Correct.

Yeah. From Google. Yeah. So where does that leave us? Well, that's what I'm saying is like all these things, like what I have, made a career out of doing, which is finding things that are hard to find. Yeah. No matter what I find moving forward, they're going to be like, that's AI.

Yes. He faked it. So do you think like if you find, if you legit find a fucking family of thylacine frolicing through a grassland? I'll shoot one. You will be the only way to kill it. I will physically have to deliver the animal. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, dude. But if I'm like, here's my trail cam footage. And rightfully. Oh, everybody would be like that's AI. You can make that AI now. So there has to be what? You think some kind of regulation on identifying when something's AI versus not?

Well, I got a letter. And I don't know if Patrick got the same notification, but you know, I do the majority of my business with Discovery Channel still. Yeah. A little magic for you. Oh, dude. This is my first caffeine in 10 days. That's not true. It is.

Really? I cold turkeyed it, but I'm like, I'll make exceptions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not a psycho. But, uh, yeah. And Peter, you're doing the max. That's the extra caffeine. So tired today, yes.

I want one. I'm going to join you on the max train. Don't join me. I want to hear this story that you were telling. Discovery is telling you no AI or what? No, it's not that. They just sent out like a employee-wide mandate or whatever you want to call it that says, if you use AI, you have to disclose it to us and will decide whether or not it's acceptable.

That came in the mail. That came in a blanket email like two, three weeks ago. I mean, it's good. Yeah. I'll tell you where. No, I was just going to say. So it is left up to, so that's not so that they can necessarily disclose that to the public. So there's still a layer of like some discovery exec who says like, yeah, we're going to run with this and just like let the public believe this is real or not.

Here's what I think, right? So there's two different ways to use it. If Forrest were to use AI to make it look like there were more sharks that he was swimming with, they would say you can't do that. Agreed. That's bad. If he shot a sit-down interview to do the narration in his interview in front of a green screen. Yeah. And then just made an AI image that was blurry in the background of a seaport in the Caribbean. Sure.

They would probably be like, that's fine. Agreed. I don't know anything about what discovery thinks. I'm just saying, like, they probably want to see how it's used so that they can be like, we're fine with that. Or like, no, this is fundamental to the story. You can't use computer generation. But I think the bigger point was they can no longer tell. So if I did decide or any of their other producers decided to add a bunch of sharks into a blank blue backdrop on a scuba dive and go,

oh my God, look at the sharks. Yeah. If you don't disclose it to them, they're not going to be able to catch it and they're going to be publicizing that. I do happen to know there was a shark week last year that was narrated by an AI voice. Is that true? Yeah. Could you tell it was AI? I didn't, of course, didn't watch it.

someone, the person who made it, told me. Wild. Yeah. I don't, I mean, whatever. I don't like it.

But this is, no, it's terrible. I mean, look, here's what, so here's your question was, where's the line?

Yeah. So I would like to think that people aren't going to want a movie. You're not going to go want to watch an AI movie, an AI movie. But we sort of accepted that like, VFX were a thing. Yeah. Right.

And then VFX kind of became the only. thing with mainstream releases with Marvel movies, things like that. You know most of it's CGI. Right. Right. So there was not a revolt against CGI. Right. Some movies kind of in like LA circles get credit of like Mad Max, you know, the new Mad Max was like all shot practically. Yeah. But the general cinema going audience doesn't really care. They don't care at all. So will there be a full on revolt against AI generated content? I don't think there will as much as I want to be, I think people will seek out non-AI content. As far as the government getting involved and making people disclose what's AI and what's not,

they'll be 10 years late to the game. So there's- It'll be too late by the time they intervene. There is definitely a stigma that I didn't even realize until recent. I'll give you an example. On my YouTube channel, we're doing these like edutainment videos, right? Where like, I'll sit down on my office desk, Kyle can pull up an example, and I'll tell stories of like

Pancham, the famous, or not Pancheon, what was his name, the famous tiger, the tiger of, the man eater of, Ruggra Pryag or whatever. Yeah, so like one of those stories, right? It doesn't really matter what the story is. Man eating tiger.

Yeah, a man eating tiger. There's no historical footage or images of that because it was just a tiger that was creeping into tents and killing people, right? So we will use AI to generate images, and you'll put in the prompt, you'll put something like tiger, sneaks into tent. Tiger grabs man by leg. Tiger runs through the jungle and you use those AI

generated images. And there is undeniably an outcry from my audience in the comments going, how are you using AI? Why are using AI? Use a local artist. What those people don't seem to understand is if I were to commission the 200 original drawings that are in that, it would cost me like $10,000 plus to put out a YouTube video and probably take six months. But I'm glad that your audience is pissed about it. Oh, well, that's good. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad that people have awareness for it. Yes. I don't think that's going to change the fact that it's going to become a tool that everybody uses for things like that. Well, but I think the real question is not that because that's obvious. The question is, will it become the only tool and the only content? Because, right, because here's

what I could do, right? If this VO thing's that good and I'm some 19-year-old kid who has hunched shoulders and his ears are falling off because he's got the tech neck he's the guy he's the guy because he hasn't left his desk and yeah yeah the gamer guy seven months the gamer guy yeah he's got a toilet in his chair right I go oh forest is has a YouTube channel with over a million followers he's probably making some money off the ads he's doing cool stuff he's out there in the world traveling yep I'm just going to make a better looking more intelligent forest that's doing this, but on one of Saturn's moons.

Right. And the animals are going to be crazier. Legitimate? I would watch that. Yeah, me too. And now I get to see someone who's more handsome and funnier than you. Right, but it has the likeness or whatever.

Well, one thing, A.I does not have down as comedy or writing. It does not have comedy. Yeah. It does not get timing. But I want to watch the guy who's exploring Pandora. Right. And it feels just as real.

And so that's where it's really fucked. Yeah. It's like what will be the appetite for content that is not generated by computers. Totally. Because as soon as that is figured out, in five years, there will just be server farms that are just generating content. Of course. And automated and starting YouTube channels. There are already like, I've seen the ads for it on Instagram.

Like learn how to create your own AI generated. Faceless YouTube channels. Not just the YouTube, but like you can make social media influencers. Oh, yeah, there's a ton of them. Like here is an AI generated influencer that sells products that does all the things, you know, and you've just got to make them fake hot enough and fake clickable enough that they build a following.

What is the fucking point? It takes the soul out of every. It's like, so what is the point just selling the end product? But I think that's generally what has happened anyway. I think the soul has been sucked out. And I go, what is the point? Like, what is the point of scrolling TikTok and watching people go? right well again i mean

dance and doing that for an hour and a half you could have just watched a cool movie no i mean i i i you're right and i do think that that again back to the point that it's just a tool it's like how much uh deception is going to be going on using the tool like within as much as much as possible well that's what i'm saying so the the the thing is are people just going to pull away from this because they're like oh everything's bullshit yeah not not not for entertainment value i'm not talking about that but like what if you're trying to actually like understand how the world works or something that's actually going on now and you're looking at like faked war zone footage i mean like talk about wag the dog like you can create a whole

entire fake war now and like get people riled up and spread misinformation like it's it's pretty uh you know what do we do about that i mean the fact that the social media companies during covid came in and started banning people for spreading misinformation that were actually right right And then that no one has stepped up and been like, okay, we've got to create a rule around this. Yeah. But it's like too late already. No, but no, it's not.

I mean, something as simple as like, if you post, whatever you post on YouTube, you need to have a disclaimer at the beginning that says what percentage of this was generated by AI. Something that simple might satisfy it. There is something. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, there is something similar to that.

It doesn't necessarily say it's essentially a button. it says part of this video is generated by AI. Where on YouTube? There are disclaimers that are coming out. I see that on like Getty images and things like that. But even if you go to Getty Images now, when you do a basic search, like I need a street lamp at night.

Yeah. 95% are AI. It says it on there. Oh, interesting. But like 95% are AI. It's fucking crazy. I remember when this all started and you and I were talking and it was very complex.

at that time. And you showed me something for a deck you were working on where you told the AI, like what style to put it in, what color palette. And it was like a guy jumping off a bridge or getting thrown off a bridge. Do you remember that? Yeah, he was just throwing the body off the bridge. Throwing a body off a bridge. Yeah. And it looked great. Yeah. And this is like probably four years ago now. It was a while ago. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for deck design, it's, you know, making a PowerPoint or a PDF, cool PDF. I mean, it's fucking crazy because you can, if you're trying to tell a story.

Yeah. Which is everything, by the way. Like, you're just, everybody's just telling stories, whether you're pitching something or trying to educate people or trying to. Do you think that the original cavemen were sitting around a fire? They were telling stories of their mammoth hunt grunting at each other. And then one guy starts drawing it, drawing it like in the sand. And they're like, that's it. Fucking civilization's fucked.

Like, there's no reason to tell stories. Look at this guy. He's drawing it in the sand with a stick. Yes. That's the end of humanity right there. He used a stick. Yeah. That's like us right now talking about AI.

Oh, dude. Imagine now in 50 years, too. Like, this is going to be just like these people are not. I mean, the crazy thing is like you and I are, all three of us are, not that any of us will ever retire from trying to make content. No. But we're all probably 20 years from being just aged out. Totally.

Right. We're getting less cool every day. And we'll be essentially retired. Yeah. And then we'll have hobbies and things we do. Yep. Mostly jerking off on the big TV. Oh, that's great.

I do that tonight. But like most of our listeners are Kyle's ages. They're 20. Yeah. And, you know, it's like if you're not on the forefront of all this shit, I don't know what the future holds for people. Yeah, you've got to be accepting of it. I mean, this is what the future is.

There is no stopping it. And, you know, you have the choice to be scared of things. are to embrace them all throughout your life. As we get older, we're scared of things more because we're like, oh, it's going to affect my fucking money. Well, the fucked up thing is, man, the government won't do anything until unemployment hits like 30%. Exactly.

It has to be reactive, not pro-acted. Yeah, and we won't know when unemployment has truly hit 30% until 10 years after it's really hit. It'll be at like 80% at that point. Yeah, until it's complete chaos. For us, bring us back to the news. Some animal stuff. Give me that jingle, jangle, we tried earlier.

One more time. What's in the news? Sir, news from the underground. All right, well, speaking of alien-like abductions. Sure. We weren't, but yeah, go ahead. Weren't we? Just keep going.

No, we were. It's okay. We had a brain fart. We were. We were. We were. We were. Shut up.

We're talking about AI. It's fine. Listen. What's in the news? Young male Capuchins have developed a strange. trend. What do you think it is?

Wacking. Well, they've always been doing that. That's not strange. I don't even know what a Capuchin is. They're going to the Tiki Bar at the resort and publicly whacking. They do do that. What they are doing is acquiring baby howler monkeys, and it doesn't end well for the babies. So Capuchins are a smaller monkey.

They live in Central America, Costa Rica, Panama, whatever. And howler monkeys are a larger monkey. And look what they're doing. They're going over. They're kidnapping them. There's a video of a capuchin carrying a tiny baby hollarm. Interspecies abduction. Abduction.

Yeah. Does that happen? Well, it does. Yeah. Usually it's like parasitic or, you know, something like that. It's negative. But what's so unique about this story is they're on this island and these capuchins are just doing it. And there's no reason why.

They're just going in. No benefit. Well, and to be clear, like, it's often, oftentimes a species will come in, kill the other species, take its baby, eat it, whatever. they're just rolling in, hanging out with the howlers, grabbing the babies and latching the babies on. And because a baby monkey is just a little primate

just grabs on, they're then just going for a ride out with the capuchin, and that's it. The howler loses its baby. These are male capuchins that are doing this. That's not even like a mom being like,

I want to... No, like an adoption thing. No. And it's amazing. So where is this? Panama, Costa Rica. Where is it, Cal? Panama, yeah.

Panama. What's the name of the island? It's on a little island there. fascinating. So, okay, so scientists have been watching these capuchins on trail cams. And so the capuchins, these male capuchins that probably aren't of like breeding age yet, I don't know, I'm speculating. Hickorone, Hikaron, Hikaron.

So the male capuchin that says that it started with one of them that would basically take off, they would lose it because they don't have coverage of the trail cameras. and then it would come back and it's got a baby howler monkey riding on its back and it said now three of his buddies are doing it. Yeah. So this is just like kind of a learned behavior from one another. Well, and people get upset when I say this, but it's sort of like evolution in action.

Like usually evolution is defined as happening over a long period of time, millions of years of time. But this is something where these monkeys are coming in, they're doing it. They could now, maybe it fails 99 out of 100 times. But maybe one time that howler survives somehow. It grabs onto a female capuchin. It feeds.

It grows up. Now the capuchins have a sentinel. They have a larger guardian. They have somebody that's, you know, something changes. They have somebody who finds food or evades predators for them or something like that. It's like the first step in Planet of the Apes. Do you know what I mean? It's like this sort of starting of evolution and action.

It's kind of cool. But the story says that so far it hasn't ended well. I think four of the babies... maybe of four of the cases they've documented have all died. Yes. So. But so, so you think of a howler monkey,

it's much bigger than a Capuchin. Yep. But the scientists that are kind of watching this behavior said, you know, we've seen the Capuchins and Howlars having a tussle in the trees. Right. And it looks like the howler monkey's moving in slow motion. Right.

It makes sense. Because the Capuchin is so much faster. And agile and smaller. And yeah, it makes sense. So they suspect they're just going up there, fucking around. Maybe there's a distraction.

And then boom, they grab, the baby and they're off. Now, if the baby grows up, it's going to be much bigger than the capuchin. Right. That's what I was saying. Could be useful. So what are they, are they hurting them or are the baby's just not surviving

because they don't have a mom taking care of it? That. It's the second one. It, you know, there's some really interesting, like quotes from some of the scientists that are reading this, but it's basically like they're just playing with them. Right. It's like they're getting a doll because they're bored. Right. And they just want something to do. They're like,

on this island, there's no predators for them there. They're bored and they're like That's what he said. He said sometimes they're He said it's like a kid with lightning bugs The kid likes the lightning bugs In the jar But the bugs aren't going to survive

Right Right right right I think that's what it is It's really interesting And it shows intelligence too Like it shows like them Dude it's the same thing As if the four of us

We're stuck on an island Right Right We'd be like okay We're bored Like let's go cause some havoc Like there's nothing else to do That's what he said

He said it's they have nothing to do They have no predators so they have just ample time to just do, he calls it destructive social innovation. What would you do if you were stuck in a war of your butts? Or destructive social innovation. Well, no, it's okay, put it this way. When we were kids, right?

I had a Nintendo. I couldn't play it all day. I wasn't allowed to. Of course. My parents would just say, go outside. Get out of here. So now I'm outside with a group of five other bored kids. And we've got 13 hours to kill during the summer.

So you do some stuff, you play some games, whatever. Seven hours in, you go, what if we all take off our shirts and stand against that wall and take turns throwing racket balls at each other's back? And trying to give each other welts. Yeah. And so you just watch and you go, well, what's that behavior about? It's like they were bored. Social destructive behavior. Innovative social destructive behavior.

Dude, I did that two years ago. I went to my buddy Matt Struven's bachelor party in the house we rented, had a tennis court with one of those tennis ball launcher machines. Oh, you didn't. Oh, yeah. We same, basically the same thing. We just took turns shooting each other. Like running around and you're aiming it. Oh, exactly.

Literally. And you'd like take a shot, run back and forth. And the other guys are cheering trying to hit you with the tennis. It's like American Gladiator style. Oh, yeah. Dude, have you guys seen the American Gladiators documentary series on Netflix? Oh, no. I wanted to watch it.

It's so good, dude. They're all just roided out insane. That's like the original. That's what, that's what, remember like UFC's growing pains when they started. that's what I think early days American Gladiator was. Like just get like some tiny little 140 pound judo guy and put him against a sumo wrestler. Let's see what happens.

It was great. A lot more cocaine though. I loved nitro. Nitro. Who was the guy that was the all red? Was that nitro? Big long blonde hair. Oh, the long blonde.

Thunder. Yeah, was that probably thunder. I think one was named Titan. That guy. That's who I'm thinking of right there. Oh, yeah. I got an old American. All right.

Speaking of American Gladiators, that just inspired a new quick game. Oh, I thought you wanted to fight. No, no, I do. I do. Kyle, play the jingle for my new game. This is going to be a good one.

People are going to love this. Top one. Wait, did you do that? Or did he... That's me? That's all me. Well, I said... Top one.

That was just the whole thing was real. Give me credit for top one. Nice. All right. So American Gliderers, right? Because I remember as a kid thinking, like, how much fun it would be just to get a few friends together and go run around on the American Gladiator's course. Dream. I mean, still now, that would be.

I do that tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, you've won a contest, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And the prize is they're going to throw you a party that could be anything.

It could, like this. Okay. Like you, and I'll go first to give you guys an idea of what I'm talking about. like something where you got 10 of your bro friends. Yeah. Maybe a few of your female friends as well or any they friends you have. And like 10 friends and you're just going to go get access to something crazy to just fucking play adult games. Okay.

Okay. I'll go for. Because I have one that I've always thought would be really, really fun. Okay. That if like money was no object, I'd like to do. Tell us. All right. I want to go into a.

closed down for the night. Not abandoned. I don't want it to be abandoned. I want it to be an active shopping mall. Okay. Full access. All the stores are open with like 10 people at night. Night Vision goggle play paintball.

I knew you're going to say paintball. I wanted to say paintball. And obviously there's like four or five little bar carts set up throughout them in each wing of the mall. That's great. That's so much fun. Stoking out. Can you imagine like I'd be hiding. in like the women's long dress thing.

You know what I mean? Underneath the circular cart. Totally. And it's just like, who cares? Like all the dresses get trash. You pop out. You shoot your runaway laughing.

Oh my God. You just go like just go into Forever 21 and just blast all the clothes with. Oh, hot topic. Forget about it. I'd be shooting dildos off the ceiling. Yeah. Fucking trashing bongs.

Yeah. What a treat. Dude, go into Best Buy and just like hide inside one of the refrigerators. Oh, just pop out. Yeah. Your washing. washing machine.

Yeah. But you turn it on so that you're going and certain. Yeah, yeah. They wouldn't find you. I love that. I love that. If it was turned on.

All right. Petter, you go. Oh, wow. Okay. So just off the top of my head, I've mentioned before like what one of my dream rooms in my house would be.

So this would just be a gymnasium. Like imagine picture your high school gymnasium, except the whole room is made of trampoline, including the walls, the ceiling and everything. Oh, yeah. That's really high, though. And then you just,

you're playing dodgeball. Oh. high school. I was always great at it. With the like not the huge full size soccer ball ones, like the perfect ones to grip. Yeah. Oh yeah.

You can really huck like because you get that. Also those, if you get hit in the face with those, that stings pretty bad. I was thinking just soft balls. Dude, imagine you're just, you're coming down from a high jump and just catch one in the side of the face. Oh.

Knocks you over. That's so good. Both of those. Yeah. Um, I like the idea of going somewhere. like the Bahamas or the Maldives or somewhere with a ton of little scattered islands. And then you're playing like Lord of the Flies war.

Like you have to go and take over each other's islands. Okay. What are the rules though? How do you do that? Right. So I'll explain it. So it's like capture the flag. So there's a flag on each island. And it's like Patrick and I are on an island.

Peter and Kyle are on an island. And there's a defender. And then there's someone who goes out to colonize and like get the islands. And so you can turn people. You can buy them into being part of your island. if they don't kill you first. And when I say kill you, like we've got like padded bats or something.

I don't know. Well, yeah. You have the boat ride out to the islands to set up the rules. Yeah, and you're all sort of trying to manipulate each other, but then whoever wins gets the, has the most flagged islands.

And then you're the Lord and then everyone has to live there for a year and worship you. That's an idea. Yeah. But I just this idea of like you and all your buddies are on this like island combat thing where they're all a swim across.

You know, like each island's like, I don't know, 300 feet away from the other one. Oh my God, it sounds like so much. I'd like to make it 50 if I'm playing. 50 feet? 50 feet. It's easier swim.

Just backstroke it. Kind of like hidden weapons around. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like as if you're in a video game. Exactly. Like a crossbow, but like not lethal obviously. Oh, yeah.

I pitched a show that I always thought would be really cool. And it was, I don't remember the name of it, but this was back in the early days when I didn't understand how anything worked. But it was two guys. one, no, sorry, it was one guy who was a military sniper hunter guy, like top end gunman. And he had a paintball gun. And then there was like 10 survivalist experts, like a policeman, an actual survivalist, an animal tracker, blah, blah, exactly, all these things. And he had to go

hunt down those people before they killed him. But he left with a paintball gun. And they had various like paintball weaponry hidden throughout the playing course. Okay. So it's sort of the same thing except. Sounds fucking great. Isn't that a great show? And like who's tracking who, who's ambushing, who? Yeah.

You know, are they aligning with him? Is he aligning with somebody else? Who did you pitch it to? Everybody. Everybody. How does that not work? Like, where they got to, I think because they probably heard it a lot. Yeah.

It's a mob. I maybe even went into production. There was a problem. I don't know. Yeah. Kyle, what do you got? I've seen this online where you can rent out a minor league baseball stadium. That was my second choice.

And it's like an Airbnb. You stayed there at the stadium. Kyle loves baseball. I do, yeah. I went to two baseball games in Japan. That's why. Did you see the Nippon ham fighters? No, I saw the Tokyo Giants back to back nights.

So you're just playing baseball there? You're just putting together teams to play baseball there? You just get like 20 of your friends and you can play against each other and then you just go back and hang out. Cal was like a real competitive baseball player in high school. Did you know that? No, I had no idea. I did not know that. Also, he went out with Mitch, my buddy Mike Nalti, all these guys who do nothing but talk about how good they are at golf.

Where were we? Australia. In Australia, we had an off day. Literally, Mitch spends no less than one hour a day talking about how good he is at golf. Okay. I swear to God. Am I lying? Yeah, yeah.

And then Mike, who is like, he played super competitive golf. JQ is always golfing with Mitch. And all they do is talk shit. I didn't even know Kyle had ever touched a golf club in his life and he smoked all three of them. No shit. They came back there like, yeah, Kyle won by like a landslide. And he's like, yeah. That's nice.

So for anyone who was listening, two minutes and 10 seconds ago, if you want to rewind, go back now two minutes and 14 seconds. If there was a loud cracking sound in the audio, it's because Kyle decided to crack his neck directly into his mic. He does it in his knuckles, too. I want to kill him I mean you're gonna be harsh apparently a really good athlete you're gonna have a bent neck

yeah I do already so I'm so good at golf all right so now here's the quick game so you've heard everyone else's we'll just go rapid fire which of the other three would you want to attend not your own of our three

right sure my paintball in the mall with four bar carts paint ball in the mall forest's game what was it island of the Lord of the Rings Yeah, I think

Kyle's minor league baseball, Airbnb, due to my lack of athleticism, I think I would go for Kyle's minor league baseball. So you're going to play a sport. Well, I mean, I'll feel drinking beer. He's just going to stand on the field and drink beer, in other words. I'm also going, oh, no, I'm going trampoline dodge ball. Oh, wow.

Trapoline dodge ball is real. Sounds really, I'm going paintball. That's like a dream for me to run around the mall to shoot my friends. Which one? Kyle, which one are you going to? I'm going to the islands. Yeah, there we go. It's a good spread.

Everybody picks up. One of each. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. That's how you know it's a good podcast. I like it. It's been fun.

Real nice. Real fun. Real light and striky. Light striky. Yeah, that's right. Whatever that means. It means you're hydrated and have a buzz. Good night, everybody.

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