Wild Times: Wildlife Education - Should You Be Worried About Zombie Deer? - The Wild Times Ep. 133

Episode Date: December 11, 2023

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Joining me today on my left, stage right. Papa P himself. Hello. Patrick Deluca, the producer. Let's get right into it, man. You can introduce him. Yeah. And also Peter is here.

That's very kind of you, but you forgot Charlie. He's right there. I'm terrified. Immediately left. Happy to be here. It's the holiday season. Got my fat tire. Yeah, cheers to that.

Get your fat tire, you Lazy. Cheers, cheers. I love this time of year. I really do. Mid-December. Yeah, baby. It feels like it's all happening. You know why? Everything's very cozy right now. It's because it's like you're at an airport.

Time doesn't matter in December. You can have a beer at 9 a.m. You can sleep late. You can go. It just doesn't matter. It's like you're at an airport the whole month of December. There's a definite vibe when people, People are out of work for days in a row.

That, like, everybody, it's just like the weekend, but for a whole month. Dude, in the entertainment industry, basically Thanksgiving's the end of the year. The end of the year. Like, nobody's returning emails. Everyone's fucking off. That's why you've been so happy lately? Absolutely. How many Christmas trees do you have now?

Do you get one a day or just one a week? You must have so many by now. I have two. They look great. One on either side of the TV. Two seven footers. One's real. One's fake.

Wow. Look at that. Got the colored bulbs on one. Yeah. That's right. Got the white lights on the other one. It's great. Both fluorescent or incandescent lights?

No, no, no. Like the small little white lights. Okay. But yeah, it's pretty fun. I got a good little magic trick going. Yeah, what's that? Well, I got a remote. This little thing, it was like 20 bucks on Amazon.

Okay. That you plug into your outlet so you don't have to climb behind your tree to plug the lights in and out. You just turn it on with a remote. Yeah. Very nice. But my three-year-old doesn't know about the remote. Of course. So I've convinced the three-year-old that she has Christmas magic and she can just

talk to the tree. And it turns on. Yeah. Flickers. Yeah, because I've like got it in my pocket. I'm like, I've been wanting the lights on all day. Can you, can you turn the lights on? She'll be like, Tree, can you please turn the lights on?

And then I turn them on. She goes, ah! It's so good. Yeah, it's pretty sweet. It's a little joy. It's a little joy. That is a little joy. Yep.

It made me joyful. Do you have any holiday little joys before we get into animal stuff? Just, I mean, there's a million. I've already talked about the candle. I mean, the candle's been rolling. But, you know. It's mandatory. I've been through three.

I'm not joking. Here it is. And do this responsibly, but just drink the whole time. Eggnog for breakfast. Not eggnog. No, just listen to me. It has the word egg in it, which means it's a breakfast food. Eggnog for breakfast.

What does nog mean? I don't know. Put eggnog in your coffee, wake up, have some eggnog. I think it's Williamson eggnog. So you got a green label. It's like a brand-dry one? Yeah. No, I'm telling you, Willie.

I think it's called Williamson. What do you guys put in? What alcohol do you guys put in your nog? Brandy? Yeah, it's got to be brandy. What about, I thought rum was there. I'll look up Williamson. I will say, look up Williamson Eggnog.

I'm telling you, this is the brand. If you put rum in there, I feel like it really overwhelms. You don't get as much of a naggy. Evan Williams, that's the bourbon one. That's the one with bourbon in it. Oh, it's already got, it's pre-made with the bourbon. That's what I'm telling you. You just put that in your coffee, put in a cup on ice.

You know, you know how I know this is what in your oatmeal. You know how I know this is the one he was going to pick. It's because it's the one that's directly eye level when you walk down the boo's aisle in the store. He's that guy. He falls for it all. 100% He's expensive eye level, boom. You got it.

They got you. They pay for that shit. I'm going into Bevmo. It's got a nice green, Christmasy label. It's all pre-mixed. I don't have to think about it. It lasts like 11 years on the shelf.

Like, even though it has cream products in it, makes no sense. Let's get into some news. It's good for it. Yeah, baby. This is what people come to this podcast. What's in the news? Popper Pee.

They want to hear it. There are zombies on the loose. Uh-oh. What? During the holidays? Sounds like Peter News. There are zombies on the loose in Yellowstone National Park. Oh, no.

What? Zombie bears? Nobody gets a kill? I have no context for this. Moving on. No, in Yellowstone, they've reported their first case of zombie deer disease, also known as chronic wasting disease. DWD, chronic wasting disease.

What's going on this? We're saying about 15% of the mule deer population in Yellowstone have this disease, which is called by something called a prion. It's like a protein, infectious protein, that causes drastic weight loss and zombie-like behavior. Yeah, they get, like, super low energy and they start, like, stumbling around. So they're, like, slow motion.

That's why they call it zombie disease. So when they start wasting away, this protein makes it so that they're just, like, completely, like, dazed and out of energy, and then they're just, like, uh, you know, and they'll, like, walk into the side of a car or right into a tree. And it's pretty sad. Have you ever seen an animal,

In person? I have. Yeah. I've seen deer with wasting disease. Interesting. And it's, I haven't seen them in that state. I've seen the whole like zombie state online,

but I've seen them dead from it. And they're just a shell of the animal, like ribs sticking out, hip bones sticking out, like all sunken in face. Like they literally waste away in front of you. So like mad cow disease, I think is also caused by prions.

Yeah. Yeah. But that's typically from when the cows eat cow. Right. Because that's how you get. get it. It's a weird thing. So there's no cure for any prion diseases as far as I know. So if you get it, you're, you're effed. You're toast. So it's like if they eat the brain of, of another cow, they'll get it because it's like, it does something about folding proteins in a weird way.

Well, it spreads through body fluids. So I think with cows, it's not, because the like misconception about mad cow disease was like, they're going crazy from cannibalism. Right. Of course, it's not good. You shouldn't feed a cow a cow. Right. Especially when they're herbivable. But that's not what it actually is. It's the disease, which I'm not really sure with the foundation of it, is spread through bodily fluids. So if you eat the blood or the plasma or the saliva or anything like that of another animal, it spreads to that new animal.

So same thing with deer. So the deer will lick a leaf or chew a leaf and then another deer will come along and eat it. And it's now transmitted that disease. Priyons are super scary. Look them up if you've never. It's like terrifying. If a prion got into like the human population and was like highly,

contagious, be 20 million times worse than COVID. I mean, someone who's listening right now will probably be the creator of HBO's next zombie series. Yeah. Because they use the mushroom spores for the Last of Us. Which was great, by the next one is Pryon's cannibalism.

Yeah. Mad human disease. Mad human disease, M.H.D. causes you to get mad? Yeah. What do zombies do? They're fucking pissed. They're furious. Yeah. Very lazy, though, and tired. Not in the Walking Dead. Or not the Walking Dead. Was it? The The last of us? No, they're like pretty, pretty fast in the last of us.

So what is 15% seems, that's a lot. Like about, do you have any idea how many deer are out there? Is that like thousands and thousands of deer do you think? I'm sure. I'm sure. Probably millions of deer. That's crazy. Do you guys hear about this? There's a, I used to, sorry, go ahead.

There's another disease that's spreading furiously across the U.S. This is like a PSA too, to the dog one. Take care of your dogs, man. Like there's some contagious, it's basically dog COVID that's going around in the U.S. It's now in like 20 states or something like that. Yeah, it's got, it's starting to get more active in California. Yeah. And it's like, it's like, it's like dogs basically have like a 50, 50 shot of surviving.

Oh, you're joking. And it's like, I'm not saying my dog. They have no idea what it is, what causes it. But they're like, yeah, I saw in California there's like suggesting potentially even like closing dog parks. Can I want a little rant here? Just one more thing. Be careful if you're putting your, if you're boarding your dog over the holidays,

legit. Yeah, don't lose your dog. Don't. That'll make me great. We are, we're doomed. You think?

Yeah. Sounds like it from the, plus three or the humans? No, I think we're actually pretty solid, but humans are definitely doomed. This is, okay,

I'm gonna go off on like a Peter level. Well, I've been saying this for, for decades. Well, right, but you're a loon. So, I'm gonna go off

on a slightly more coherent rant. Okay. I'm very coherent. I'm very coherent. I'm very coherent. I, firmly believe that when we get to a certain capacity where the population density of everything is too strong, Mother Nature fights back by creating all of these things that we think we can

overcome. But basically, it's just the same as whatever happens in any colony. When the colony gets too large, nature, Mother Nature, God, call whatever you like, call it religion, call it karma, call whatever you like, fights back to reduce that population so that things stay in equilibrium. Yeah. That's what's happening right now. COVID, fucking dog disease, waist disease, all these things are like, they're just like all popping up all of a sudden.

Mm-hmm. And yes, we've been very good at combating them and creating cures and vaccines and whatever else. We're going to get, in my opinion, very soon, like in our lifetime to a point where we cannot combat these things. You know I have generalized anxiety disorder, right? I don't know what that means. It means shut the fuck up.

We're not going to die, dude. Relax. You're going to. I'm not. I'm great. die. Yeah, I mean, so the end of times is coming, is what you're saying. I think that I believe that Mother Nature, God, the universe, whatever you want to call it, is fighting back because we're destroying the planet.

You're saying there needs to be a homeostasis, right? Right. So whether it's deer or too many humans, there's just the resources are limited. We overproduce. Correct. So do deer. So do other things that don't have enough predators. Right. And it just something happens to bring balance. And it's all interconnected.

think humans are currently at a point where we've, the, the planet is going. All right, nine billion's crazy. Let's get back down to like that. Exactly right. Exactly right. And Elon Musk is fighting that because he's the, I don't know if you guys saw he like said a thing where he's like, oh, maybe you can find this cowl. He like, he's like the earth could easily sustain like three times the current population. Oh, that's just because he wants to continue having kids. He's got like 20 kids fucking. Yeah, well, he can afford to. I don't care. It's ridiculous. He's part of the problem. It doesn't really matter. But I was going to say, dude. It's coming. It's coming. All of us woo-woo people have known this for ages.

What's a woo-woo people? You know, like you say I'm like the woo-woo guy. Yeah. This is the yin and the yang that Confucius speaks about. Actually, I don't know if it's really Confucius. Sounds good, though. Confucius say that the yin and the yang, man, everything must have balance. And I'll say even in our mentality and everything, dude, there's such a shift.

Everything's like so polarized. So it's not just even like the world and like the earth fighting against us. it's like people are like so polarized in opposite directions about everything, dude. There's no middle anymore. Like how impossible is it to just be in the middle of anything? You're going to be attacked. Like someone where they're there. Oh, you don't have an opinion?

Yeah. What the hell? Like it's like, dude. You know what's interesting though. So like the U.S. in the 50s, which I guess was that technically the baby boom? That was kind of the beginning of the baby boom, right? Right after World War II. Yeah.

So in the 50s, early 50s. The average woman, what would you guess, the average woman in the 1950s, that whole 10-year period? Yeah. How many kids per woman in the U.S. would you guess? Two and a half. I'm going to go four. 3.6. Yeah.

That's crazy. In 2020. So it was 3.6 in the 50s. What do you think it's been so far, or in the year 2020? Less than one. It's got, I mean, yeah, I would agree. 1.6. So from 3.6 to 1.6 in a 70.

70 year period is interesting. Well, it's very, it's interesting and it's also a good thing. If you ask me, we got skewered on the last podcast for talking about like population control. And she's like, F off, dude. Like I didn't have kids. You got to stop reading the comments, bro. I didn't have kids until I was 39. Like all my friends like waited so much later and later.

I don't think it's a bad thing. I mean, and also I'm like, two and I am done. Like I am not having any more kids. And that's even a controversial thing now. We saw your vasectomy test. I don't know if I can go through with it. It's scheduled for, it's scheduled. For when?

It's coming up in the next two weeks. Oh, no way. Wow. Yeah, dude. Also, dude, you're fucking up because we discussed this. We're going to have a little V party. Dude, my guy offers nitrous, laughing gas. No, but we talked about our wives approved that we could go somewhere for,

they want us to get vasectomy so badly that they said, both of our wives said you can go on a vacation with your buddies for a week if you do a vasectomy right. Okay, but here's the thing. So if you get yours in fucking Seamy Valley, I'm gonna kill you. Yeah, don't do it.

Here's the only problem with that. Kyle's like, these guys are so old. Dude, we could go to the Bahamas. We could go to the Bahamas and get discount bulk vasectomy. We could literally hold hands next to each other while getting vasectomy.

That sounds fantastic, but I know both of you, you'll never move forward on it. It will never happen. You'll never do anything with it. So I had to go ahead and do it myself. You're lying to yourself in this situation. I brought it up with my wife this weekend.

And she's like, are you and Pat still going to do that thing where you guys get a hotel and go somewhere? Your wife doesn't want to have sex with you. She doesn't give her shit. True, but that doesn't change the fact that we're getting a sex. Moving on. No, I, Nifty, if you go get this vasectomy instead of taking advantage of a golden opportunity because she wants you to get it so badly, it's going to be very disappointing. If you don't shut up, I'm just going to stip my own dick off right now.

Promise? Yeah. Go get me the scissors. Dude, this video will get twice as many views if you do that. It'll be banned from YouTube. How did it a conversation about the world ending turn into my vasectomy? Yeah, it's all related. That's what's great about this podcast.

It's all related. It's all related. It's all connected. So Forrest, one of... Testicle wasting disease. Transition in Beck and... There's a news story. So, okay, so I'll start with this.

I have a shoot. coming up. Yep. Pat, you remember that liquid IV stuff we'd always use on shoots? Couldn't forget it. Dude, here's a little holiday hack for you. Okay. Okay. In Santa Barbara, it doesn't matter what the year is. On December 25th, it's always like 98 degrees. Okay. It can be, just like it is now cold and frosty and perfect Christmas weather, the day Christmas rolls around, it's 98 degrees boiling hot. Now, here's a problem with that. I wear a beautiful Christmas wrapping paper-looking suit. every year. Yes, I've seen the pictures. Yeah. And I'm sweating my balls off. Holiday hack, little lemon lime liquid IV. Delicious. They hydrated for the holidays. That's my new, that's my new thing.

Delicious. Yeah, we take them hiking with us. Yeah. Throw five or six of them in the pack. They're fantastic. Always. One stick of liquid IV in 16 ounces of water. Hydrates better than water alone. That's for sure. Why wouldn't you want to do that? Especially with all the booze that you're going to be drinking this holiday season. That's my only input here. You should put it right into your eggnog. I do. I do. I hydrate while you dehydrate. I do a nog and a liquid IV.

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It's the holidays, guys. It is. We got our. We got these doers, and I haven't taken them off since Thanksgiving. I plan to wear them through Christmas. Never have to loosen the belt, do anything. They're so damn comfortable these pants. When you were upstairs, I walked in and told Pat that I literally went and bought a doer t-shirt and got new newer jeans.

It's all I wear. It's my new favorite clothes. No, my wife refers to these is just your pair of pants. Because I go, the garage is cold. I go in there to work out. And then I just wear them the rest of the day. They're great. We absolutely love our Dewar jeans, and you will too.

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End of January, interior, Alaska. And then going all the way up, all the way up that 500 mile highway, up to the far north, like near dead horse. Bro, you can die. Bro. So I was like, all right, it can't be that. I know it's bad. We filmed a lot of cold weather.

I'll be segueing to the news story here. I do. So I'm not even talking about record. Yeah. Just in Fairbanks, which is warmer than where we're going. Okay. What would you guess the average daily high and low is in Fairbanks in January? Oh, God.

The high is probably zero. The low is probably negative 50. That was close. Zero is the daily high. Oh, wow. Really close. I was like that stupid. I was going to go like the high is like 12 or 18.

No. Zero is the average daily high. Fahrenheit. Negative 15 is the average daily low. Dude. It can get it. It's pretty common to get as low as in the negative 30s like pretty frequently. Check these.

It's going to be in narrowly. Dude, it's so, I mean, luckily you know how to dress for the cold. I think, like, a lot of people I know out here don't understand that even if you go to somewhere where it's just 30 degrees, when it gets down to 20, it's like bone chilling, you must have on like, it's like cumulative. Yeah, that's the problem is like for filming, like when we did a Southern Rocky Mountain Wolf. Yeah.

It just, it just adds up. It just, it like eats in you. I found a really good product. So I filmed in Anchorage in November, which is nothing like Fairbanks in January, by the way. Like, that's like baby Alaska. Venture Heat. Kyle, pull this up. Not a sponsor.

Not a sponsor. I'm just telling you for your own thing. Venture Heat gloves. Okay. Because the fingers and the toes are the issue. That's the worst part. These are heated gloves. Have a little battery in them.

And so you don't have to wear mitts where your fingers don't work and you don't have to wear gloves that are so thick that you can't do anything. It's like a normal. They're sold out except for two extra. double extra small, which actually might fit me. Only if they were for your penis. I'm telling you, though, man, because for me, the hands are the problem. My hands and feet.

Once they get cold, dude, you can't move them. And that's, like, where the pain comes. Maybe I'm arthritic. I don't fucking know. But, like, the hands hurt, and then your whole day is ruined. Like, your core, whatever, you put on a jacket, you move around, you warm up. But the appendages don't warm up. Yeah, yeah.

Dude, these, like battery-powered heat things, I've seen it was a game changer. I've seen this a lot. Like, not only gloves, but they have, like, vests now. The same company does all that stuff. Yeah, super high quality. I've got a jacket and a pair of gloves from them. I've never had an issue where my core is the thing that, like, makes me, that sends me home for the day. It's like, I'm going to take my boot off and my toes are going to be black.

Yeah. But I'll tell you this. Science says that if you wear the vest and it keeps your core, because your body is spending all of its energy trying to keep your core warm. Vital organs, your fingers and toes are going to get more of the heat down to them. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, that does make sense. Yeah, it does make sense. But anyway, what got me on that tangent about Fairbanks is, I was thinking about our southern Rocky Mountain Wolf shoot.

And, you know, there's some times where it got very, very cold. Very. And wolves are in the news. Thriving. In California. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. What's going on there?

Dude, they made it all the way down to San Luis Obispo County. That's the county north, two north of you, one north of me. Yeah. Right? I didn't realize that. That's crazy. It's basically just above SoCal. It's right above Santa Barbara.

I can drive to San Luis Obispo County from my house in 30 minutes. Oh, wow. Yeah, and they were in San Luis Obispo County. There was like an inciting incident that led to the wolves migrating back to California? I forget what it was. This was, I think this was a, oh, I see, there's a new story from now. I remember a year or two ago I posted about it, Kyle, maybe you can find it. Wolves made it to San Luis Obispo County.

So basically what happened was wolves were expatriated the whole way up the West Coast. They were like gone, but there were still lots of wolves in Canada. and then there were lots of wildfires, lots of colored animals up in Canada, all kinds of things shifting, and they just sort of slowly started to come back down so they were tracking them and it's like,

oh wow, they're in Washington, oh wow, they've come all the way down to Oregon. And then it seemed like they weren't going to go south of Oregon. And then I want to say a year and a half, two years ago, one or two packs like jumped all the way from Oregon down to Central California. Like they just fucking cruised down the Sierra Nevada is like straight down into Central California.

That's wild, dude. And I think they've gone back since, but yeah, here we go. But these are not the Southern Rocky Mountain wolves. No, no. These are your common gray wolf. But still amazing. What kind of impact does this have on like the ecosystem down in California? Because this is not, is it good?

Incredibly positive. It's good, yeah. Yeah, there used to be wolves throughout this entire area. There should be wolves. So what will it? But of course cattle ranchers are pissed. Of course. But it's like, fuck off.

Sorry, fuck off. Yeah, they're furious. But like, we were talking about chronic wasting disease. This will mitigate chronic wasting disease. Because as soon as you have a deer that's impeded, you know, it's not as capable, wolf comes along, bam, gone. No more passing on chronic wasting disease.

That's why you need predators in an ecosystem to keep that ecosystem healthy. Without the wolf there, without a mountain lion there, without a bear there, that deer then lumbers around getting sicker and sicker, passing on that disease to more and more other deer. Yeah, I mean, that's the reality of, back to what you were talking about before,

that's the reality of the situation is I feel like humans try to artificially recreate the solutions to all these problems that nature's already figured out 100 years ago. It's just like, you know, the wolves are coming back down. They're going to solve this problem. What are the ranchers probably

want to do? Just euthanize all the deer or go out hunt them or something. This is why we need one guy in every major city in the world with a machine gun who just walks around and goes, oh, that guy looks sick. Then there's no more disease. No, no. COVID would have been great. Yeah. That would have been the end of COVID.

I'm pretty sure that's what they did in China. But I don't quite understand. So according to the news that's recent, that reporting on these wolves are saying that there are wildfires in 2021 that created a favorable environment for the return of the wolves after 100. I don't quite get the connection. So I can explain that a little bit. So what happens is when there's no fires, because typically in California and Oregon, we mitigate fire. So second, there's a fire, we put it out. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. When there's no fires, you end up with sagebrush habitat and really thick, dense habitat, which wolves do not like to inhabit. So first of all, that drives them out because they don't travel well through sagebrush and dense overgrown habitat. Fires are natural. That'll typically knock that habitat back and then you'll have more open grasslands. That's one. Part two of that is after a wildfire, you have incredibly fertile land that re-sprouts a bunch more nutrient-dense grasses and young vegetation that makes for a thriving undulate population like deer and rabbits and things like that. So basically it changes the environment to be more open,

which wolves are better predators in and they're more capable of moving around in. And it fuels the ecosystem in the food chain because there's way more baby animals, way more healthy deer, rabbits, things like that that wolves can prey upon. So it's sort of twofold and allows them to cover more ground. Do you see these as potentially becoming like,

Like, you'll see wolves in your neighborhood? No. No? Why? Because they don't do this. People live in Montana, don't see wolves in their neighborhood. Because they're very just sneaky hanging out in the background. It's just not what they do.

They're elusive. They don't want to be near people. They choose to stay away from people. They sound like they're way different than coyotes. Yeah, I was going to say. And then their dog, like canines and coyotes are near feline? Nope. They're both dogs.

Very closely related. They're very closely related. But yeah, no, it is really cool. But yeah, it's. And then I saw something. kind of related to this. I'm not sure if it's been announced yet or not. Cali, Cal, look this up while we're doing what's in the news. Reintroduction of the California Golden Grizzly.

Oh, wow. Interesting. Wait, first tell me about the golden grizzly. What's this? So if you look at, so Kyle, before you pull that up, pull up the California state flag. Yeah, yeah. This is something that most people don't know. No. It's insane, by the way. California Republic flag right there are literally the emblem of our state is an extinct bear that once roamed through

California, the golden grizzly. And if, like, the photo to the right of the one that Kyle's on, they've really embellished the gold. Sure. But that is our state. That is our flag. Yeah. And it's representative of a subspecies of grizzly that only lived in California known as the California golden grizzly bear. So it was a grizzly bear, not a brown bear that had a very light golden yellowish coat.

It was expatriated in, I don't know, Kyle would have to look it up. I want to say like the 20s. Yeah. You know, people came out here for the gold rush. There were grizzly bears. They were like, fuck that, shot them out as quickly as possible. Right. 1922.

Okay. So they're going to reintroduce them? Discovery. So this is kind of interesting. Look. Less than 75 years after the discovery of gold in 1848, almost every grizzly bear in California had been tracked down and killed. He was.

And the last one being killed in 1920. Ugh. But whatever. That's the way things were. Right. I'm not condoning it. No, okay. But most people, again, don't even know this.

They look at the California, like, oh, cool, a bear. Like, they don't even know. I didn't have grizzly bears. Yeah. I don't know if Kyle's found the article or not here. There has somebody, and I know this because it happened at UCSB, managed to get some sort of permission to bring back California grizzly bears. So they have the DNA just from pelts and things?

No, I don't even think it's a DNA. It was just a subspecies. Maybe Kyle will find the answer here. But I think basically what they're going to do is reintroduce light cinnamon-colored grizzlies into Northern California and see if they can sort of bring that back. Gotcha. Interesting. Very cool.

Is that what you're finding there, Kyle? Do you have anything there? Yeah, it says the California Grizzly Research Network plans to conclude its work in 2025 in reintroduction. There you go. Well, that's interesting. So they're going to try and basically genetically breed these.

Selectively breed. Selectively breed these back into the population. And so where will they release, like Yosemite area? It's got to be. Yeah, I don't know. It probably says here somewhere. I just sort of saw the headline that they were going to bring Grizzlies back. That's great. Dude, if we could have Grizzlies and wolves and all.

these things back in California. It's going to balance the ecosystem way more. Especially for when none of us are here anymore. Well, and I mean, you know, everybody's like, oh, it's so dangerous. We can't do this. Blah, blah, blah, blah. They have all these things in like half the states in the United States.

You know what I mean? Montana, Wyoming, they have all of it. It's bad ass to be like, oh, yeah, we got wolves and bears in our state. 100%. Yeah, I mean, we have black bears, but yeah, the fact that we had grizzly bears. Yep.

Black bears are pusses. 10,000 grizzly bears at one point before the gold rush. Yep. A black bear will sit down at your campsite and have a meal with you. I'd won a Tuesday, Thursday of last week. No, Thursday was Thanksgiving. Tuesday of last week, I was driving home from rugby practice at 930. And yesterday I was texting with Mitch.

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Any other languages? Well, I know a little bit of Spanish, a little bit of Portuguese, but I've been learning a lot more with Babel, which is pretty sweet. Yeah. All right, I'm going to quiz you. What's the word for lobster in Español? Langosta. All right.

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Just sitting in the middle of the road. And I, like, pulled up to them. And you know, I have those super bright lights on my truck. flipped on all my lights to try to get like an iPhone picture. And he just sat there and looked at me. He flicked you off. And then was like, and like got up and lumbered off. He's Yogi Bear.

I mean, it's literally Yogi Bear. Yogi Bear should have been a black bear. Yeah, I don't know why. He was brown. Anyway, pretty cool. Wolves and bears coming back to California. You don't get a lot of wolf and bear news in the in one cycle. Wolves coming back on their own for the first time in 150 years.

Bears coming back for the first time in, well, what's 1922? Good winter animals, too, by the way. Good winter animals. Ferry, big. Yeah. Well, the bears are obese, a lot of fat on them. And wolves. I just think of, what was that movie with Liam Neeson with the wolves?

The gray. Yeah, and he's like in the wintertime in like snow. And these wolves are just fucking. He's fighting him with a broken Coke bottle. You ever see the, dude, that scene. The wolf movie. Crazy. Where the people get stuck on the ski lift.

No. No, but it sounds great. That's the whole movie. You see it, Kyle? Yeah, I can't remember what it's. called, it could have been so good. I thought the movie was going to be amazing. Yeah.

It sounds good. But it jumps the shark. So basically three idiots, three friends. Yeah, I got us three. It's like a guy and two girls and they, what's it called? It's called Frozen. And they basically like convince the nerd who's working the chairlift. Like they get a flat tire.

They get their late. And they're like, dude, like, please just let us do one run to end the day. And the guy's like, yeah, sure. So he lets him get on. And then, like, someone comes over is like, they, like, switch. Yeah. They get stuck on the chairlift. And it's going to be closed until the following weekend.

Yep. So they're stuck. It's cold. I was like, this is great. It could have just been a psychological movie about, like, when do you jump? When do you not? Yeah. Yep.

But, of course, you know, in the middle of act two, a giant pack of wolves comes in and is just, like, circling under them waiting. Yeah. And then it becomes about wolves. Well, I'll tell you, uh, they had to, to add that probably because the actors are probably not great. They're not. I'm guessing they added that because it was a

network note. They sold the show. Yeah. Yeah. Our studio note. They sold the show on this fantastic psychological torment. And it was like so good. And then some guy who was 23 years old who was somebody's son Coked out of his brains. He was like,

you don't make this movie just so much better. I mean just like, oh my God, good. Wolves under the chairlift. Yeah, he just came in and he was like, okay, so you start shooting next week? Awesome. Okay. Where's the, what's the monster in the script? Yeah.

And they're like, well, the cold and the elements. Right. Yeah, no, that's not a monster. What? Bears, wolves? Dude. Both? Both.

You guys remember that movie Phone Booth? Now, that was a movie where there was... It was just a guy in a phone booth the whole time. And somebody was, like, holding... Like, had a scoped gun on him. And the whole movie... was just talking to this guy in a phone booth on a phone and you're like, this movie is damn good.

I forget who the actor was. Colin Farrell. Yeah, A-list actor. And you could do a movie like that in one set if you got a good actor. Not three doy-doinks, no-name actors. That was a theme in the early 2000s. It was like stuck on a ship, stuck on an island, stuck on a raft, stuck on a airplane.

That was like a whole theme. It was like one set for the whole movie. really well, man. When that submarine story came out that we talked about before, I was like, I was like hyperventilating like, oh my God, this is like the scariest scenario I've ever, and it's real. Yeah, you need amazing actors for that kind of movie, though. For sure. For sure. Dude, I watched a Liam Neeson film recently where he's on an airplane, the whole set. Is it like Taken 6? Maybe. Taken 3D? No, but it's, I forget what it's called. It's called airplane or something like that. But it's literally just him on an airplane.

and somebody on the plane's a terrorist and you're going to blow up the plane and he has to figure out how I watch this in my hotel room. It's a hotel room watch. It's such a hotel room watch. Never, ever would you pay for such a phone. And minus the TBS commercials, it was a treat. Like, it was really good.

And the whole thing is just him running up and down the aisles of a plane on his phone being like, who is it? Who is it? And you're like, it's really good. Dude, there's something about being in a hotel room or on an airplane where you'll watch utter crap and be locked. on it and like just like zoom i haven't watched a movie on a plane since they've made it where

there's so many choices it's too many it's overwhelming yeah i was just no podcast when it used to be like there was a screen for every 10 rows yep and they just would play a movie they would watch it every time yeah every second i'm like there's 400 choices just under the letter a yeah also dude attention span is so low and they have the option of watching like the office and like other bullshit on there. I'm like, I'm picking that. Like, committing to a whole movie on an airplane sounds like a little, like, oh my, I can't do that. I'm like, when I'm sitting on an airplane, I'm like, what is the most number of screens I can have in front of me active at one time? Yeah. Right, if I buy Wi-Fi on my phone and my laptop and put a movie on this,

don't forget the iPad. Oh, yeah, plus the iPad. And I'm scrolling here, I'm checking TikTok, I'm typing, I'm looking at the movie. I'm like, that's it. My attention is completely divided between all of these screens. Dude, by the way, have you guys flown United, like, lately? Unfortunately all the time. I think so. Dude, the whole, the fact that, so I don't know if you know about this, have you flown United, Kyle? You have to, if you want to buy anything during your flight, yep, you have to download the United app. Yep. Install a credit card. Install a credit card with your, that links to your seat number. It takes like fucking, it takes forever. Huge ordeal. Because by the time they announce it, I've forgotten. Right. By the time

they announce it, I'm on the plane. Also, the Wi-Fi on the plane. The internet on the plane doesn't work because everybody's using the same signal. It's like, do, do, you can't do anything. It never worked. So I haven't been able to get a fucking beer on a United flight, like my last four flights. It's the dumbest system in the world. Sorry, sir, you can't order your $36. Pretty much.

Yeah. Pretty much everything that came out of COVID that has remained is infuriating. That is one of the things. Everything's touchless. You got a QR code at the restaurant. Like, you got, you got this touchless bullshit on United. and the thing that pisses me off the most, I love when this happens.

That's insane that that just happened. He was fueled by anger and he lost his point. Oh, actual blind range. This is the definition of blind range. Come on. This is the one that's going to be so relatable to everybody. I'm losing it. Dude, the inflation, quote unquote inflation, dude,

literally just companies, do you know how much a McDonald's cheeseburger cost now? 369. $3.99 last I saw it. They used to be sick. 69 cents, dude. I remember. They're under a dollar. It's out of control. And here's the thing, dude, I know for fact from anecdotal evidence that I've read on Reddit that there's price gouging going on. There's insiders in companies that are exposing on Reddit talking about how like, oh yeah, our, our manager,

they just raised the price like 48% even though our cost is actually only going up 14%. This is every fucking company out there right now. There's a term for it. I'm blanking on what the term is. Greed. That's a term. But the other thing that companies are doing is they'll sell the same

product for the same price but reduce their size. It's called shrinkflation. Shrinkflation. Yeah. Shrinkflation. It's like every brand that I love

is now a third the size that it used to be and the same price. Like I'll go to the store and I'll pick it up and I'll be like, something's off here. You look and I'm like

it's the same exact price and then I realize it's 12 ounces less. But bought hamburger buns the other day. Two were missing. And I'm like, I'm like somebody, well, my wife was like, somebody took two of the buns out.

They must have taken two of the buns out. And then I was like, look at the package. Nope, four count now instead of six. Yeah. But it costs the same price as the six. Probably more. Probably more. If you're the capitalist who's making this decision,

you're just saying, is demand for my product elastic or inelastic, right? Correct. So if it's inelastic demand and people will just buy it this type of cigarettes, Right. Yeah. You raise the price. If you're like people will simply choose another brand. Right.

Then you just have to shrink it. Just do it subtly. Looking the same. But I mean, am I right? Is this not fucking infuriating to anybody else? It's infuriating. Yeah. Dude, let's start a movement.

I don't know how. Comment or something. Yeah. Tell us how. I'm furious. All right. Well, you know what? This.

Oh, yes. Yep. It's time. Yep. Still love playing with it. I had a butterfly leatherman. What is it? It's the Leatherman arc.

My favorite tool that Leatherman has ever put out. Made with magnet cut steel. Got magnets in it. One hand operable. Also, about the sharpest blade you've ever seen. I don't think I mentioned that before. Look. Put that thing away.

I see a hair. See that? Get those grays out. Well, there's a lot of grays. But you can shave with it. It's so sharp. Nice. But as you guys know, we had a contest.

Yes. Yep. Thank you to everyone who submitted. We read the top three. Big success. And people voted. and it was an unbelievably close vote. It was like by two votes.

There were three stories. First and last were only separated by seven votes. These are your outdoor stories that you sent in. Thank you for all the submissions. Got hundreds. Much of preach. All right. So how do we announce the winner here?

Because it's pretty exciting. Drum roll. I think you got a drum roll on there. Come on. Let's do it. Let's go, Kyle. Let's do it right. He'll never figure that out. The winner.

And the winner is, I don't have any voice. You do it. Boy Scout. Nope. At DRBY underscore at Derby underscore who sent the Boy Scout camping the bear bear. Bear face punch story. So good.

Recap it. Let's recap it. On a Boy Scout camp out, a kid was pretending to be a bear. Yeah. Such a jerk. By scaring campers from outside their tent. One night later in the week, he hears grunting outside his tent, thinking it was the other kids getting revenge. He throws a wild punch.

and clocks an actual black bear in the face. So good. The bear knocked his tent down, but the kid was unscathed. I think he learned a lesson. Yeah. At DRBY, send us your contact info. Get yourself a Leatherman arc.

Shipped new. Not forests that's been in his pocket. This freshie. Hell yeah. And thanks to the team at Leatherman for sponsoring the contest. Yeah, this is a big hit. Everybody liked the giveaway.

Dude, we got hundreds and hundreds of submissions. It was incredible. Also, just reading all the stories. Stories so much, so much stuff there to read. It was great. People have an adventure. We have a great, the crew that listens and watches the show. A bunch of active folks.

Yeah. You're adventurous. We're going to do more giveaways because this was a hit. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you again. Leatherman, if you want your own Leatherman arc, just go to the Leatherman store. Link right here. You could just shop now.

Shop now. Get yourself a Leatherman arc. And congrats, DRBY. Two weeks till Christmas. You want to impress dad? You want to impress dad? Dad-in-law. Future stepdad?

Yeah. Give him one of these. There's no guy that you're not winning over. That's a good. That's a good call. At DRBY underscore, you could go ahead and email me at Peter

at the Wild Timespodcast.com. Peter at the Wild Timespodcast.com. Shoot an email over. Give me your deets. All right. So what else we got going on? Edwin put together a little game for us. Yeah, here we go.

Love that guy. Do you want to do the game or the animal mystery? Let's do the games. Yeah. Who's hosting? I don't even know. know how to decipher this. I'll host. Yeah.

Okay, Kyle's going to host. Kyle, I need, put a little, put a little pep. I want you to have some energy, high energy, like that coaked up producer that they were talking about earlier. Okay. So, we've all known the Animal Skoll game, the Appendages game, the Sound game. Edwin has combined all of them into one ultimate crossover game. Bass pace, baby.

What's it called? Boom, boom, boom. He's called it the ultimate crossover. The ultimate crossover. The ultimate crossover. How's it work? So I'm going to show you five different images. sorry, four images, one sound.

Okay. All clues and you're just going to have to guess what the animal is. All right. I love how Edwin has progressed with this. I also like how Edwin put in parentheses for Kyle. Clues must be given in the order shown. I said to him, I was like, yeah, some of them were too easy. And then I was like, those were way too hard last.

So he's gone easy, hard medium and an easy, medium-ish and hardish. He's so good. Peter's hardish right now. I am. I got a hard on for Edward. Dew or pan. Here we go. Number one.

There we can't see though because they're elastic. There we go. Appendage one. Ah, it's a T-Rex. Okay. It's a three-toed, scaled thing with big claws. I know what it is. I'm going to take a guess.

Go ahead. This is a, oh, come on. Not a Gila monster. Comodo dragon. Commodo dragon. That's about where I'd go with it. That's where I was going to. Nope.

All right. Yep. Moving on. Damn. Good one, Edwin. Ooh, that's an I. It's a scary eye. I think T-Rex is sounding better to me now.

The pupil is literally the size of... The pupil's an anus. The pupil is anus. Tuatara is my guess. No. You see how Kyle smiled as if you got it? Yeah, he's smart. No.

Yeah, he's real shitty. All right. Next. Here we go. This is a sound. All right. Oh, he's got to download it. Edwin, you're fired.

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Is that our last clue? Two more clue. No, it's a, it's a fucking, what's the one that chased you? Cassowary? Is it a casuary? It's not a casserokee. It's a sea bird. Is it a rooster?

Not a rooster. Okay, I'm going to guess. Dead air. Out of time. Hold on. All right, I'm guessing. I'm guessing it's a. Galapagos penguin.

This is crazy. No. A penguin? That was like a T-Rex foot. I know. I know what it is. I know what it is. Hold on one more picture and let us all guess.

I remembered what it was. Talking to the microphone. Wait, am I guessing? Or we got one more. One more. In general. Okay. Yep.

This is it's skull. It is. It is a bird. You're right. I know it's a bird, but I was just a bird. It's a bird with a little. lizard foot created in a lab with a lab created eyeball.

What's your guess? I don't know. Magnificent frigate. No. Oh, I love that. That is wrong. Two inches, by the way. Two inches, by the way. Oh, it's small. Yeah, two inches. This is an evil creature. What's that irritating? What makes that? I've heard that sound before, too. It's not a seagall.

I've never heard that sound. Is it the gungadoo? No. Is it a gungerangro? Yes. Is it a gull? No. All right. Next one. Next one. The last one. Was this the easy one? Yeah, was this smart easy.

Oh, it is a fucking penguin. I said it was a penguin. I just got the wrong kind of penguin. Emperor penguin. Yeah. I'll give you a quarter of a point. For the big day. I said the wrong kind of penguin.

That's what a penguin foot looks like. Can you go back to the foot picture, Kyle? That's bananas crazy. You know why I know this? Remember the fucking Ed Helms movie that we wanted to knock off? Yeah, yeah. And do our own version? Penguin.

That's where I heard that sound a zillion times. Dude, I had no idea of penguin's foot was so dastardly. Dude, he also, if you go back to the foot again, he really, really did a good job on this by confusing us. That penguin foot should be in snow. Had it been on snow, it would have given it away. 100%. It's on a lichen covered rock.

Nice work, Edwin. You fooled the biologist. That's what we should name this game. Fool the biologist. Yeah. Good job Edwin. Well done, Edwin. One point, Patrick.

Oh, there's more of these? Oh, there's, yeah, there's six. Oh, let's do. Three. Let's do three. At least two more. Okay. Minima.

Number two. Oh, this is an owl. Who. That's a lion's eyes. Yeah. Is it an African lion, Kyle? Let me double chain. It is.

It's got to be. He's always on the ball. No, when he says no, except for this time. I was also going lion straight away. All right. Here we go. Next, here we go.

I'm still saying owl. Oh, definitely. The skull next five and a half inches long. Still definitely a predator. Are those incisors? Is that what you call those? Big shot ones. Canines?

So I'm going to say this is some kind of primate. You go back to the first pick real quick? No. Wait, pretty guesses? Okay, go back to the skull. Small, five and a half inches. Bobcat. Nope.

That's a good guess. You're right. Yeah, that is a good guess. A feline. Not good enough. Not good enough for Kyle. Wolverine. All right.

Next. Nope. No. No. Go on. Go on. It's a cat. Oh, it's a caricle.

Correct. Nice, let's see the full picture. Point for you. Point in a quarter for you. That's a cool animal. Where are Caracles found? Yeah. Southern Africa. Okay.

What's up with those ears? They're little tufts. Are they like radar-d-it? They're like very good hearing or something? Great hearing. Can I hear it sound? I want to hear what a caricle sounds like. Oh, yeah, for sure.

I bet it sounds like this. Meow. That's okay. No, it's coming. It's coming. Jesus. Oh my. It's a quartered caracol.

That's a very unhappy caracol. Yeah. That is bonkers. How big do these caricles get? They're pretty big. They're like, I don't know. I'll look up the specifics. Look those ears.

Large vocal cords, evidently. That sounded like a lion growl. Yeah, four feet long, 40 pounds. That's a big cat. Big cat. Could you? The sound is disproportionately scary to the size of the beast. Dude, for sure.

Could you take on a caricle? No. 40 pounds? No. No. Could you take on a house cat? Honestly. No.

And everybody that listened to those paws was like, oh, dude, I'd beat up a fucking elephant with my bare hands. It's like, you're an idiot. Remember when we did like the Pew Research poll? And it was like 90% thought they could take on a line. How many, all right, how many trained German Shepherds versus one caracle? One on one. One on one. Sheppard would take a caricle down.

Okay. How many trained Charlie, non-trained Charlie's versus a caricle? Oh, like 150. Yeah. The caricle would just be just batting him to death. Look at how happy he is. Those cats are so agile. All right.

All right, here we go. Feeling good about that. Beautiful. Was that a hard? What was that? I don't know. Don't give them any frame of reference. This is fool the biologist.

Number three. We're starting with the sound. All right, starting with the sound. Two points if anyone gets this off the sound. What if Edwin threatens to kill me because I change the rules? They're on a boat. Oh, that's a hog, a warthog. On a boat.

No, that noise is in the throat. Not the nose. Impatamus. Ah, shit. He said, Oh, he said it so confidently. No, it was. It didn't have the rest of the hippopotamus sound,

but it sounded like the start of it. I'm not going to reserve. I'm not doing a guess yet. I have, yeah. Get some more in trout. A trout? Is that a trout sound, Kyle? That is not a trout sound.

Okay, the skull, five and a half inches long, three inches wide. Very strange looking animal. Capibara. No. Damn it. Dude, I love that these are fooling you. Yeah, this is very hard.

The boat, I'm disregarding the boat. Yeah, maybe disregard the boat. You can't listen to him. He doesn't always talking about it. I've got the most points. Well, just one. That's true. Well, 1.25.

1.25. You've got a quarter point. No guess. It's got a tooth on the back of the skull there. What in the, but Jesus? I need a little bigger around the eye. So it's got this weird-looking alien orange eye. That's like a reptile eye.

Right? That's a reptile. The eye's hideous. No, it's not a reptile. How do you know? It's just not. It's got a lot of eye boogers. Yeah. Okay, go back to...

And Phoebe and I? What? Nutria? No. That's a good guess. Not, though. All right, next. I'm not disregarding the boat sound.

I'm living with that. Yeah, that's why you went neutria. Yeah. What am I seeing here? This is... Is that a penis? What is that? Jesus.

That looks like your ex-girlfriend's hand. It's a hand that's very human-looking, but it's got two thumbs. It's got two thumbs instead of, it's got three fingers and two thumbs. I feel like I should know this based on this photo, and I don't. Is this a... It's a primate. This should be a three-toed sloth. No, it's not a primate.

No, this would be a dead giveaway for a real biologist. It would be a five-toad sloth, but not for a bro-o-ologist. Two thumbs. True. Three-those. Uh, I don't know what it is. Next. I can't even.

Okay, I know what it is. Ah, the fur gives it away? It looks like a lamb now. The fur gives it away? All right, what is it? It's a koala bear. Correct. Oh, my God.

Coalas make that sound? Apparently. Nice work forest on that. Only once I saw the fur color, though. And then I sort of remembered what the hands of a quagal... Can we hear that sound again, Kyle? So they must have been on a boat going by a eucalyptus tree. Because that's on a boat, listen.

I don't know they're so piggy-sounding. I didn't hear it. I didn't know they could be so intimidating sound-wise. Drop bear? Well, they are a bear. Yeah. Drop bear. Deadly drop bear.

It's a drop bad, man. Imagine if that foot came down on your head. Any Australian that watches that is going to be like, Forrest, an idiot. Like, how does he not know the two thumbs? Yeah. Yeah. It's okay.

It's okay. It's okay. All right, two more. All right, here we go. Next one. Number four. Forest has 2.25. Starting with a skull, 20 inches long, 11 inches wide.

Swordfish. Dolphin. No. What? Porpus. No. It's some type of. Grey whale.

No. It is some type of 19.6 inches long. 11 inches wide, 9 inches high. Next. Pretty big. The sound. The sound.

You come to sound. You come to sound. 19. Pretty big. You have no idea what you're doing. That was a long one. I still think it's a marine map. It is.

It's a pilot whale. No. Shit. No, they're too round. That's way too big, too. Jeez, that noise. Play the noise again. Just quickly.

You're farting. Oh, stop. He just likes it. He's a child. Okay. All right. Well, that helps. It's a stunning eye.

That's a beautiful eye. Correct. Yes. Okay. So he just said it first. Yeah. Were you going to say that? Yeah.

I'm giving that point to Pat. That's fine. No. I did know it. I did know it. Because the white right around the eye, yeah. We go half point each year. All right. There we go.

There we go. It's fair. I did just blur it out with zero hesitation. No, but that's the rule. I mean, that is how the game works. I'm actually surprised their heads only 20 inches long. I am too. And look how rounded their head looks. Yeah.

The skull is so, so that's all just fat and tissue up there. Is there a reason for that up there? Is that just a sexual thing? I don't know. You ever seen the book? I feel like whenever there's not a reason, it's always just like a mating thing. Yeah. Have you ever seen, this is actually kind of cool. Can we dogleg for a second?

Of course, of course. Have you ever seen, it's not Vladimir, but it's like Vladimir. Kyle, look it up. Vla. Vla. Vat, Vat. Huh? Do you know what I'm talking about? Check this out. No, nobody else does. No, none of the 300,000 listeners. I'm getting there. His name is like Vladimir. What is it? Voldemort. Voldemir. That's it. Voldemir, the male beluga. This is pretty cool. So he was a former spy whale that the, Russians trained that escaped from the Russian military. They're going to kill him. They're defected? They'll kill him. They didn't kill him. He made it to Norway,

but he loves people because he was a spy whale. He was trained. So this is what he does. He just hangs out in the fjords and stuff in Norway, comes up and plays with people, plays fetch with them. Is Voldemir the one that was playing catch with the football? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That is incredible. It is not old. It is Voldemir. Yeah. Wow. It's an amazing story. Russian spy beluga. Yeah. See all this? Wait. So how do we know he's not? over here spying. We don't.

Or in Norway. No, because he doesn't have... Because he's in Norway and there's nothing... Yeah. Maybe they taught him not to speak. Watch, he plays... He plays with a rugby ball here. So he's got...

Oh, my God. They throw a rugby ball out to him and he goes and gets it and brings it back. He's just like, he's this incredibly friendly, wild... Well, not really wild. Ex-spy whale. Fascinating. Yeah.

What a great story, man. What a great ending to... Well, not even an ending, but a great way to... Look at this. How cool is this? I actually have a guy that I'm working with who, through no fault of his own, came into 20 full-size adult beluga whales. What? And he's trying to figure out, trying to figure out how to get them where they need to be, what to do with them.

Any ideas yet? No, they're in tanks. Yeah. What are they in? Tanks? Yeah. Giant aquariums. Yeah.

Wow. Wow. So what is he trying to do? Get them the different like aquariums? He just wants to do whatever the right thing. is because, you know, you can't really, yeah, he's trying to find, like, homes for them or trying to figure out if, you know, if they can be put back into the wild and how to do it. It's not like his area of expertise.

You might not be able to say it, but I'm dying to know how he came across or how he got these. Yeah, what can you share? He acquired, he acquired a, uh, an amusement park, essentially that had an aquarium component. Oh, wow. And he's, good on him, man. He doesn't want to be in the whale business. Who would? Yeah.

So, yeah. Good on him, man. That's awesome. Yeah. That's a cool story. Dude, maybe F can help out over here. I can get him some permits to release some whales. No problem.

Dude, it's funny. I know strings to pole. I know. Stalking to this dude. He owns a bunch of amusement parks. And I was like, what's the biggest stressor when you just own amusement parks? Because it sounds so fun. Yeah.

And he just goes, fucking dipping dots. He's like, I got dipping dots problems, dude. Explos. You must say more. So it's like, you know, it's really expensive to get the dip and dots. there because of the way they have to be shipped. Right, because if one melts, the whole bag is concealed into a single dot. And he's like,

who do you think works the dipping dot stands? Lowbrow. No. Like, you know, 20 year old kids, high school kids, he's like, correct. It's like, what happens at every park, every summer? He's like, someone just leaves the door to the freezer, a crack open. The whole thing. And I got $40,000 worth of dipping dots that I can't sell at every park,

every summer. He's like, the biggest stress. in my life is Dippin' dots. That's hilarious. That's literally why Dippin Dots have, like, I've noticed they're less and less at places now. Dude, if you had given me 10,000 guesses as to what's the biggest stressor in amusement park, I wouldn't have guessed Dipper. Oh, I would assume it's people

flying out of roller coastercks. Yeah, for sure. Puging on Carnies, like, you know, getting drunk. People shitting on water slides. Yes. So many things. I would have guessed beluga whales before Dippa Dach's. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I love that the Dippendots were, that they are his biggest

problem, even when he's got the Belugaway problem. Oh, it's just funny. Imagine the guy who created Dippin' Dots. I just imagine it was like Dr. Evil like, ha ha ha ha, these will melt. Yeah. And nobody will think of this until it's too late.

Exactly. Imagine, by the way, imagine you fucking shell out the 10 bucks for the Dippin' Dots because your kid just needed to have it and it's just congealed into a cake. Furious. Your day's ruined. And then you order another one. They open that up. It's cake together.

And then another it's cake together. The kids apologizing. I'm so sorry. I don't know what to do. You're like, well, I paid my $10. Yeah. I want my dip. My kids melting down.

My kid's day's ruined. I'm going to be listening to the scream. Yeah. Well, now we know where the problem lies. Not with the dip and dots, but with the assholes with kids who want the dip and dots. Well, of course. It's supply and demand. That is the law of trade.

I've never had a dip and dot. I never have either. What? Really? Never had it. Is it good? I mean, yeah, they're good, but it's just taste like ice cream. Kyle has a freezer full. Kyle has a freezer full. Like, it's the best tasting thing on the planet. What's your insight on this?

They're great. It's kind of like the pop rocks. Talk into the fucking mic. The pop rocks of ice cream. So it's just like a weird texture. Do they taste like soft serve? Yeah. They have different flavors. They have like banana cream flavored, like Sunday flavor, chocolate, like the whole thing.

They taste like too tiny. I'm going to get hungry for taking guys. They taste like they taste like two tiny post vasectomy balls. Which we will have in the Bahamas. Together. Next. Not next week. What's up?

Let's do this last last one. Is that an eyeball? It's the lion again. I thought, yeah. I was going to say it. We already saw it. Look at that eye. Well, this animal appears to be cross-eyed.

Maybe he's just looking forward. Forward. Forward-looking animal. I think it's a cross-eyed Gemsbach. That's not a real animal. No. I'm going to guess it's a bear, brown bear. No.

I'm going to guess it's a forward-staring frugal. Yep. That's it. Peter got it. A frugal. All right. Oh my gosh. That's tiny.

Probably one of the cutest skulls I've ever seen. Okay. So it's a naked mole rat. No. Damn, look at the teeth! Are you kidding me? Three-stripe squirrel. Nope. A three-inch long head.

This is a mouse lemur. Nope. Good guess. Look at those teeth. It's clearly a rodent. Oh, let's hear this audio. I'm an asshole. Here we go. Let's hear this audio. Here comes the audio. You come the audio. I thought he pre-clicked it, but... Nope. He never does.

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It's a rat blowing out a birthday cake Now is he blowing out the cake or the candles This is literally Edwin masturbating last year Groundhog Groundhog? No, I told you it's Edwin masturbating Can I make a real guess? Prairie dog No

Fuck Mirkat No We're just going with his Yelling out Well he's a scientist All right next Sudo

Pseudo I got it Do you really? Yeah It's a porcupine. No, porcupine. What is it? I was going to say American porcupine.

Oh, shit. It's so good. Wait, hold on, hold on. Oh, okay, wait. Let's look a little bit more. I think I do have it. The quills aren't long enough. It's like a short-haired porcupine.

That's the hair of a bintorong. No. Oh. I love what he's minus one point. It's so good. I should lose a point for every guess that I get wrong. For a beard. It does look a lot like there's more gray in my beard than that.

All right. Oh, my. Oh, hold on. Is it an ion? Yes, yes, good job, Peter. Oh, good job. You have learned so much on the show. I know.

What was the sound, though? It was just like something thumping. I had no idea that they just blew on things. No. They're just constantly flabbergasted. By the way, why is there, like, so if I was going to create a monster in a movie, or like a killer, a serial killer with a mask,

this is what I would create right here. The I-I-I face. That's one of the reasons they're, like, edging towards extinction because there's a Malagasy lore about them being the bringers of death. I take that back. Now, that's sad, dude. Dude, did you know, Kyle types us in? You know what they look like?

Extinct giant eye-eye. It's a real thing. No, get out of here. Of course there is. Giant-I. There we go. So this is what happened to these giant I-I's. Look this fucking thing.

Yeah, it's like three, four times the size of the current I-I. Which aren't super small. No, it's, yeah. Go up to the one. I want to say like every animal. Well, Mark and all that. These things are heinous. Oh, yeah.

Left, left. In the coolest way possible. Of course. Dude, you know what they look like? Go to the one on the right, the one that you had. Now, Google Clint Howard. They look exactly like the celebrity actor Clint Howard. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Is he not an eye eye? Go to the one with the beard, the very first picture. Yeah, with the hair. Yeah, it looks like an eye. That's insane. It's the same photo. That's the same photo.

Well, he was our biggest patriarchalian. unsubscriber. He's got now. He needs to help his brother in I-I's out, man. He's king of the I-I's. Throw him some money. Keep these guys from going to extend. He's fucking better not set foot in Madagascar.

He'll be gone. No, they'll bop them on the head immediately. God damn. By the way, I've seen this. So this I-I-Foto is the one you see all the time. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

I never knew who took the photo. Now I do. Who? Simon Murgatroyd. Simon Murgatroyd. Yeah. Thanks, Simon. He's maybe the best name of all time.

Yeah. Mergetroid. All right. Heavens to Murgatroyd. That was on the Jetsons. Wasn't our stuff? Heavens to Murgatroyd. This has been fun.

Real fun. Merry Christmas, everyone. We have another podcast. Monday is Christmas. Right. So I think we're going to release it on the Tuesday after Christmas. Yeah, because you're not going to listen to a podcast on Christmas.

Don't be silly. You have family things to do. Here's a little teaser. I think we're going to, we may get together for this next one and where Christmas PJs and have some eggnog. We may, we may not. You'll never know unless you tune in. Will you be. putting some makeup on those

dents in your forehead. He loves bringing up. So I... So I investigated it. They're just very deep. It's very deep lines. I have one. I have a permanent one line. Mine are very pronounced because we can't all have perfect skin like you, right? I have the forehead... But here's the thing, Peter. You brought up the dents in my forehead twice now. And here's what I'd like to say. It's very self-conscious

about. I could fix these easily. I could just get Botox and they would be gone. You can't fix the fat that you're overweight. Did you just say you can't fix the fat that you're overweight. Yeah. Marble mouth. Like I can fix my problem.

Good night, everybody. You can't. Good night, everybody. Because you have no self-control. If you want to know more about the podcast, Pat called me marble mouth earlier. So let's see if I can get this right. Do it. Don't we do this in the mid-roll?

No, we don't do that anymore. Can you shut your butt? Fucking mid-roll. Like, you know what's podcast. He doesn't even know what that means. You just want to say a podcast. Go to wild times. Dot club forward slash info.

We do four extra podcasts a month. That's six total podcasts. You can get that. By subscribing on Spotify or going to the Patreon. That's wild times.combe forward slash info for all the links to the latest episodes. Just everything we do is at that link, wild times. Club forward slash info. Listen, I love you guys.

Happy holidays. Fuck you, Pat. And if you made it this far, just in the comments, just for Pat, type in forehead dent. That's all you have to do. Forehead dent. Yeah, that's it. Forehead debt. Every time I type the word forehead, I can't remember if there's an E.

F-O-R-E? I'm stoked about this. Hey, high-five for us. That's for you, Peter. That was my Christmas present to you. I really appreciate it. No problems here. Good night.

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