Wild Times: Wildlife Education - Two Extremely Rare Animals Born Back-To-Back - The Wild Times Ep. 127

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

This week we discuss rare animals being born, play an animal population game, and the rugby world cup! And don't forget to get in your Prize Picks! Go to PrizePicks.com/wild and use code wild for a first deposit match up to $100! Subscribe to The Wild Times Podcast on YouTube ▶▶ https://www.youtube.com/@WildTimesPod Get YouTube Membership Perks ▶▶ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVl7fHhUOpFK8Mpv-6DdoOg/join Get Up To 4 Bonus Podcasts Per Month ▶▶ https://www.patreon.com/wildtimespod Watch More Episodes Here ▶▶ https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP... Visit https://thewildtimespodcast.com/ now! Join The Wild Times Discord Server: https://discord.gg/ytzKBbC9Db Get your Wild Times Podcast merch: https://thewildtimespodcast.com/merch Leave a review on iTunes Apple Podcast: https://thewildtimespodcast.com/itune... Follow The Wild Times Podcast on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wildtimespod/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wildtimespod Twitter: https://twitter.com/WildTimesPod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/wildtimespod/ Listen to The Wild Times Podcast on: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2cbFBzf... Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Google: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0... Anchor.fm: https://anchor.fm/wildtimespod/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WildTimesPod Enjoy, brosteners! TWT 127 - The Breakdown 00:00 - Intro 02:07 - Spotless Giraffes 09:45 - New Shark Species Found 13:15 - Orangutan Flings a Possum 15:00 - Rugby World Cup 22:30 - High or Low Game 32:15 - What Makes An Animal Endangered? 34:40 - High or Low Continued 36:27 - HWY 1 Elephant Seals 42:45 - Even More High or Low 43:40 - Animal Mystery 52:10 - More Rugby 1:02:14 - Outro Jingles made by: www.soundcloud.com/mimmkey https://www.newbelgium.com/beer/fat-tire/ #wildtimespod #podcast

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Hard years. Hard years. I am your host, Forrest Galante, the brunoologist, cracking my delightful fat tire here, keeping it nice and cool into my cozy, because it is hot outside. And joining me is the effervescent, the lovely lit.

Patrick DeLuca, the Spiceman, the Broughducer, who's quite sick by the sounds of things. How are you, sir? Great, minus that. But, you know, it's what everyone has always told me is, like, get your kid in preschool, you're just going to be sick for a year. And it's been true. It's been true for the first two months.

So, yeah. Enjoy. Enjoy that. Enjoy that. And that'll be great when the second one comes around and then the baby's sick, too. And in addition to Papa P himself, we have, the PhD in podcasting. The brof-no, what are you?

Professional. What are you? Professor. Professor, that's what it is. Weird. My said of brain fart. The professor. What's up, Peter?

How are you? I'm a little disappointed. I didn't get a compliment or adjective like, ever- I meant to do that, too. Evervescence. I meant to come up with some funny words for you, too, and I forgot. Oh, sorry.

Well, Peter's very lovely. Peter's lovely. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm doing well. I'm drinking my, Erit, Taff or Fat Tire, if you read backwards. It's hot.

You've got to coozy it today. It's hot out. It's super hot. I mean, I'm going to coozy it every day. Excited to be here. Happy. Pat, I love your hair. It's great.

I think you look very ever-fescent. Thank you so much. Yeah. Happy to be here. All right. Well, there's lots of good stuff going on. I got really excited when I read producer Edwin's show doc. Can I get into something I'm very excited about?

Can I get right into a little. into a little segment we call What's in the News? Yeah, baby, ah! Please do. All right, what's in the news? This one went in the viral all over the place when it came

out just about a week ago. For the first time since 1972, a rare spotless giraffe was seen. But, boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen, born on July 31st, this was not in the Serengeti. This was not

somewhere in the middle of Africa. This was in Tennessee. Oh, wow. Mm-hmm. I didn't know that drafts were native to Tennessee. They're not, but at the Bright Zoo in Limestone, Tennessee

on July 31st, a baby giraffe was born an incredibly rare, like one in a million. This was a spotless baby giraffe. The last one was recorded in 1972, also in a zoo in Tokyo. And it's just an incredibly unique and interesting thing to see.

Now, it's funny. is if giraffes didn't regularly have spots, you'd be like, oh, that's a pretty bland animal. And one was born with what? You're like, wow, it's incredible. But now it just looks like, now it just looks like a weird camel. But anyway. So I have a quick question. I feel like I recall learning about something.

They used giraffes as a genetic example of something when I was in grade school. Oh, it was it, was it the spots? What's up with the, now the spots, do they give them some? type of advantage or what's up with the spots on a giraffe? Look at that adorable thing. It's camouflaged. Just like everything in Africa. It's built in camouflage.

I mean, I'm not sure. I don't know what you're referring to that you learned about. I think it's the neck. The neck is what I'm referring to. I just remembered. Well, you know what's interesting about the neck? What? They have the same number of vertebrae that we do.

Just really long. Yeah, just big. Isn't that interesting? That's wild. But anyway, yeah, this beautiful. spotless giraffe was born. I thought it was really cool. It's an absolute anomaly to see one like this. There was an interesting thing in 2020. I don't know if you guys remember when this came out. It was right before we started. I don't think we ever talked about in the wild times, but there was an old

white giraffe that was spotted in Kenya. So you get these like genetic anomalies, you know, with, what do you call it? It's like melanism and albinism and leucism and all of that where these giraffs look really, really different. But there's a, I don't know if Kyle can find the pick. There's an incredible rare white one that, uh, that was around in a zoo. No, no, this was in in Africa. Okay. So that was pretty, pretty cool.

And then there's this one with the spotless. I don't know. I just like all these different, uh, giraffes. It's always, they say the dark spots, um, also are part of their cooling mechanism. Oh. That those dark spots have, uh, like a. really dense concentration of blood vessels and that somehow allows them to cool themselves off. So do you think, do you think this fully brown one is just going to be like shivering?

Good question. Wait, to cool themselves. Right. So you're saying without the white, so the whole body would be covered in that cooling thing. Yeah. Blood vessels. Right. It gets pretty toasty there.

I don't know. That's interesting. I didn't know about that. But it's cool. The white one that Kyle just brought up is, is like extra cool. Did you guys see that one? Yeah.

Yeah, it's amazing. So that one's going to be very hot. Just a white one. Apparently, which you think would be the, it should be the opposite, right? Because, you know, like black attracts heat. Like if you're wearing a dark t-shirt outside,

it's miserable. And you wear a white shirt and you're like, yeah, I don't even feel the sun. You'd think a white giraffe would feel a lot cooler than a darker colored browner, giraffe, but I guess not. Do you think the other giraffes, like, kind of shun the spotless giraffes? Definitely. I don't think in a zoo, I don't think in a zoo setting, because in a zoo setting, there's like no alternative. But in the wild, that sort of survival of the fittest would kick

in. And, you know, anything that's an anomaly stands out. I think when November 2020, when the white giraffe thing came up, everybody thought he was going to die immediately. In fact, Kyle, you might be able to find this. They first spotted the white giraffe as a baby, probably six months or so before that in the Masai Mara. And they're like, oh, this giraffe will never make it to adulthood because he's bright white. Every lion in the Serengeti is going to see him. You know, he'll be he'll be picked off in no time. And then six months later, some tourists were on safari and there was a 14 foot tall white giraffe. And they're like, oh, wait a minute. And he just grew up and he like made it, which is pretty cool. Yeah. I mean, it's it's crazy because.

because sticks out like a sore-ass thumb. That's like a small polar bear walking around, a small 20-foot-tall polar bear walking around in Africa. Can I break some news? Yeah, sure. Breaking news came out yesterday. Kyle, pull this up. Another spotless giraffe baby has just been spotted as of yesterday.

No. No, you're making this out. In the wild. Holy shit. Yeah. Oh, look at here. In Namibia. Huh. That is crazy.

Something is happening, dude. This is aliens for sure. This is aliens. This literally just broke yesterday. Giraff spots is aliens. That's interesting. Huh. I wonder if it's something to do with like the climate or something, you know, something that we're not understanding.

Could be. Now, if you were, if you were like on a bush trek and you saw that, would you, like what would your reaction be? I'd be shocked. Yeah. Yeah. Especially if I didn't know about this, which I only really knew that it became a thing, you know, when that white giraffe came out. But I guess that's albinism.

I don't know. I'd just be shocked. I'd be, it'd be one of those things where I wouldn't really believe my own eyes. I'd be like, I swear to God, I saw this fully brown giraffe. And I'd probably be justifying it. I'd be like, oh, he was probably just rolling in the dust or something. Like, there's no way it was actually brown, like, all over. Yeah, I'd be like justifying it in my own mind.

for why I thought that. So the Tennessee Zoo has narrowed down to four names. I don't think it's up for a vote, but Forrest, I'm going to give you the ability to choose, which of these four names? They're going to name the fully brown draft. Okay.

Capeiki, for Yali, Shakiri, or Jamela. Oh, it's definitely Capeiki. Yeah, Capikis. It's the only, it's the only, it's the only cute name. What was the last one? Shirelli.

What was that? Jameli. Jameli? Jameli, Jamela, that's awful. What a mess. It's just a bunch of letters. No, I don't care. I don't care for that one bit. Anyway, just like that bit of news. I've got another one if we want to keep going on news.

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We'll wait while you do that. All right. Goodbye. I got another one. This is a fantastic find, very exciting. A new, anytime anything new comes out in the wild world, especially when it's not like a microscopic insect

is very exciting. Scientists discovered a new species of shark. And it's not just any shark. It's not just some tiny deep sea shark. It's a horn shark, which are very cool. We have them here in California. But this is a painted horn shark from Western Australia. It's a...

Oh, let's have a look at this thing. Yeah, it's beautiful-looking animal. Look at that thing. Wow. Yeah. Looks like, is that like a, like a tiger shark, right? A little bit? Or am I crazy? I mean, patterning, yeah. Patterning wise, it's, it sort of has that tiger shark pattern-esque. But see why it's called the horn shark. Kyle, zoom into on top of the dorsal, either dorsal fin there. They have these spikes that stick out by their fin there to keep predators from biting them that actually have a toxin in them. They're pretty brutal.

I've been tagged by him a few times, catch a hand-catching in California. But yeah, really cool. Just just to, just to. Just a few weeks ago, it was discovered during a seabed survey in Gascoigne Marine Park, which was, you know, just awesome to find a new species of shark. And it is pretty deep, which, especially for horn sharks in the rest. As far as I know, the rest of the other species of horn shark are all pretty shallow, like reef species. This guy was found from like 400 to like 750 feet down. So it is relatively deep, not crazy deep, but just, uh,

Yeah, really cool. How far does a diver go down? Like a, well, when you dive, like when you go diving down to either spearfish or? Free diving, I'll hunt down to typically about 100, holding my breath. And then scuba diving down to like 160. Now, you can't go down deeper. I mean, there are guys that'll go all the way down to basically 350, 400 feet with special tanks and deco and everything else. but, you know, the upper limit of how deep you can go scuba diving, basically call it 200 feet.

It's crazy because when I go head first down into like an eight foot pool, my head feels like it's going to explode. So you have to clear your ears. You have to clear your ears. It's not just my ears. It's everything. It just feels like it's all getting compressed so much. And when you say clear your ears, you mean like do the Velsalva maneuver where you go blow out when you hold your nose?

I've never heard of the Valsalva maneuver. But yeah, just like that. Unblock your ears, you know, like you do on an airplane. So it's called the Valselva maneuver when you hold your nose and you blow and forces calling it clearing your ears. It's the same thing, I think. So apparently this horn shark has some very strange teeth. Yeah, it's got molars. Yeah, they're saying it as human-like molars.

Oh, my goodness. Let's see this. So see those Oh my God Eat them back Yeah Top Those flat bony mullers there

Yeah Chewing on some mollusks Yeah Now it's eating seaweed Dude that's what the mullers are for Yeah Well that's what I got for what's in the news I was stoked on both of those

Love the new horn shark I love that he's striped I think he's beautiful It's very cool I liked the The video that was of the orangutan just gunning the possum out of its enclosure. Oh, what?

I haven't seen this. Oh, dude, this is orangutan. He's cruising around. He's at a zoo. He goes up into his house. And it's like, you know, he's got like a little tree house like four. Watch this. Oh, my God.

It'll replay it. Good. Wait, I want to see it for the beginning. Oh, there isn't a beginning. So you just see him flinging it out of there. Yeah, oh my goodness. Yeah, it's at the Perth Sioux in Australia. And the zookeepers were like, we actually do a really good job with pest control.

But every once in a while, the orangutans have to let a possum go flying. And there's no, they provided no update about the condition of the possum. There's no way. Let me see that again. Pull that up one more time. So funny. That's like, yeah, that's like 30 feet in the air. Oh, yeah, no, he is flying.

Dude, the distance is amazing. Because you can tell he just grabbed it and just flung it. And it goes like 40 yards. The reason I like the first comments is I'm so conflictive. I find this funny or not. The reason that there's no update on the possum is because the orangutan flipped him into the crocodile enclosure. So that was a, yeah, I'm just thinking of up.

No, I don't know. But he's definitely not still in the Arantan house. I mean, he is flying out of there. He's probably been talking to the crocodile. over there and like they've planned this for sure. He's like this goddamn possum keeps coming up. I'm going to toss them over to you. You catch him.

That's awesome. Good stuff. Well, I mean, what's been going on in life, Forrest? Or have you been able, did you, you watch the world series of rugby, was it? You said it was going to get crazy? The World Cup's ongoing. Games so far have been really good. The Fiji Wales game.

was fantastic. I mean, Fiji was way down. And then they had, they had an opportunity right at the 80th minute to come back. And the guy on the wing dropped the ball at the tri-line. And it was like, he literally put his head down and didn't pick it up. Like even after he put a towel over his head, he was so gutted. But the games have been amazing. Yeah, it's been super physical. There's been some awesome, awesome rugby going on. The game on September 24th is going to be the best game of probably the whole tournament, which is Ireland against South Africa. That's basically like a final. So that'll be a really good game, important game to see if the springbox move forward. So yeah.

I'm going to have to give it a watch because, Forrest, you don't, you don't watch many sports. You're like me, right? You're just into rugby pretty much. And then animals. Yeah, it's my only sport. I mean, yeah, I'll, you know, look, I'll, I'll watch a Super Bowl when it's on or go to a baseball game with some buddies. But I am the, I'm fanatical about rugby. I can name every player on every team.

This is, this is my holy grail of sports. I spend four years waiting for this, seeing what teams. is playing who and who's injured and what the rankings are. And yeah, no, I love, love, love, love rugby. So, well, we had, we had, we had an interesting question come in. Uh, I think it was on the Patreon. And somebody asked who, what seven animals, I believe, would you have on your rugby team to, uh, oh, I, I texted you guys the answer. I just don't remember what I said. So I think it's in the chat we had, if you want to refresh back. But, um, I, you, You did send a list of animals, but I was wondering, like, why?

Because I know nothing about rugby. And I wanted to know why you picked the animals you did. Yeah. So seven's rugby is different from 15s rugby. That's not what's happening right now. Seven's rugby is a smaller, faster game for seven minutes per half, 14 minute game total. It's what I played in two weeks ago when I blew up my knee a little bit. And it's all open field fast-paced running.

So I said I do. My front row would be an elephant rhino elephant, which are all fast, big animals. So you could always offload to any of those animals and they'd smash it through. Then I'd have my scrum half being a pronghorn antelope because they're just like super bouncy and maneuverable. So they can bounce around the scrum, get the ball offload it. My number five would be an ostrich because really good in a straight line, going to run the ball up hard, still has some good steps, great speed. And then on the wings, I'd have cheetahs. So they're just, they're just.

Oh, yeah. little Cheslin Colby's, which I'm sure nobody who's listening even knows who that is. But he's an incredible, he's one of the best athletes you will ever see in your life. And hand the ball out to the wings and have them burn it in. So anyway, I could do a whole podcast on rugby. But it's, yeah, it's a lot going on. The World Cup's so exciting. It's so much fun.

Is New Zealand still in it? They're in it, but they're dog shit. I mean, the standings are unbelievable. It's just like, first of all, I mean, you saw what Rhodes? said. But first of all, yeah, no, the all blacks are just utter garbage at the moment. England is terrible. Australia, I think, is ranked ninth, which is insane. These are all teams that have won the World Cup prior. So right now, Ireland is standing as number one and South Africa is seated as number two, even though South Africa is the reigning world champs.

But in the point system, Ireland is ranked above them by one point at the number one seed. And they're in the same pool in pool play, which that's why. I'm saying the game on September 24th is going to be like a final because you're watching the world number one and number two team play before even the playoffs or before even the semifinals. So it's, I don't know, it's really, it's going to be a sudden. The betting odds have shifted a lot since we talked about it. South Africa is now the favorite. I told you that before we read the odds.

I was like, I guarantee you South Africa and whoever said New Zealand. So those are odds from people that obviously, especially if they're Vegas odds, don't understand rugby. They're basing it on history. Well, you should take advantage of it then, pal, because it's true. And is still behind New Zealand here. Who is? Ireland. So it goes South African, France at the top, then a gap. And New Zealand. They're basing that on the fact that Ireland's never won a World Cup. But if you look at the players, you look at the coaches, you look at the style of play and the teams that have been built. I wish I don't know how to fucking sports bet, but I would have told, I would have bet easily a thousand dollars that New Zealand was going to lose.

You're talking to the gambling man, Pat right here, dude. I know. Link up, put it a nice bet. I'll give you, I'll give you some money to play some bets, Pat. I, I, it's like, who do you think's going to win? It's either going to be, well, the South Africa, South Africa is going to win the World Cup. That's, that's, that's what I say going into every World Cup. It's who I want to win every World Cup.

That's my team. The game against Ireland is probably going to be the best game of the whole tournament, even though it's not in the in the finals or semis. The next best game will probably be the finals game, which is either going to be Ireland versus France or or South Africa versus France. Now, I'm obviously rooting for it's South Africa versus France because South Africa plays a much more physically dominant game than France does.

And that's, that's, if we face France, we'll annihilate them. When we face Ireland, it's big farm boys versus big farm boys. So that game is, yeah, baby. Now, the good thing about that is, the good thing about that is South Africa, South Africans are just a shitload harder than Irish. So we're still going to smash the shit out of them. Oh, man, you are causing some turbulence here. People are getting pissed.

Don't care one bit. But it's, uh, you let's to fight all the Irish listeners. Oh, right now, I'll fight every single one of them. We're talking about rugby. If you put me in a bar right now and there was a game going on, I'd be screaming in people's faces trying to start something. I gotta, I gotta go and see this game with you. I want to see this debauchery that happens.

Like I feel like it'll be nothing like I've ever experienced you at a bar with all these rugby teams. Wait until 2030, I think it is when the rugby world cup comes to the USA. Because I'm going to every single game. Do you know where it's going to be? They haven't announced yet. It's either going to be just, well, it's not one place. It's all over the country.

Just like right now it's in France and it's like six to, different stadiums. Gotcha. But I'm going to go to literally every game unless they decide to do Canada, USA, and Mexico, which they're discussing, which would be a pain. But, um, no, I literally like, I will go in full South Africa garb. And if I see a fan for England, New Zealand, Australia, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, I'll just be screaming in their faces about what cool, hionish, useless players and coaches

they have until somebody punches me. That's like my favorite thing to do. Forrest might be more passionate about rugby than he is animals, which is, which is a hard trick to beat because I like my rugby. I like my rugby. Speaking of games, I know pre-pod, we were talking about some games and shit that, uh, that we have going on. You were real excited about some kind of game you wanted to play for host. Oh yeah. I got a good one.

Um, standby one second. I got to pull it up here. So this was submitted to me by a brosner. it was an idea that I got sent and I was like wow, that actually sounds really, really fun. Nice. Let me find it here. All right, here it is.

It is from Miles Heartache. Is that right? Am I saying that you right? Miles heartache. I love you. He's a heartbreak kid. Yeah. So Miles sent this in and he had a game that he came up with.

Stand by. Miles got some cool photos. Hold on a second. Can we show people's Instagram on this? Is that a thing we can do? You got to throw it. in the private chat so you can put it. All right. So real quick, Kyle, pull up Miles page. I haven't looked at it until right the second. I just read the DM, but it's got some good shit on here.

Look at the Miles page. Stand by. Pull this up. Kyle, show the show the people. Look at Miles' photos here. Miles is not fucking around. Look at his, the Stingray shots real nice. Oh, wow. Yeah, this is legit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, these look like professional photogs right here. Look at that line. Yeah, these are good. All right. Anyway, well, Miles came up with a game and we're going to play it. He calls it Heiser Lows. So we're going to come up with, I'm going to give you two. I'm going to give you a stat, which in this case, we're going to do populations left in the wild.

And you guys are going to guess who's got more or less. And then I'll give you the numbers. Okay. Okay. Does that make sense? Real simple. So highs or lows, brosters play along. So first up, we have the Asian Elevant, uh, versus the African Lodels.

Iron. Asian elephant versus African lion, who has a higher population left in the wild? And what do you think those numbers are? Wow. Easy for me. I'd say African lion. I'm going to guess 4,000. Okay. I got to go with the African lion two. Reason being is that I know that elephants have been poached and hunted for their tusks to the point where they're now literally devolving tusks. So I'm going to go with the lion. I'm going to go a little less, though. I'm going to go with 2,800 lions left. Jeez, you guys are, your populations are grim. So keep in mind, in Asia, elephants are used as a commodity.

They're used for work and everything else. So they keep that population nice and healthy. So there are 50,000 Asian elephants left in the wild and only 24,000 African lions left in the wild. which is a lot better than four, like you guys are getting. Yes. It's good and bad. We're really happy now. Yeah, that's good.

Okay. And Cal, I can't see it because I'm reading the game, but hopefully you're pulling up pictures of everything so we can see them because we're going to get into some more unique critters in a minute here. Okay, next up, round two. Sloth bear versus striped hyena. Which one do you think has a higher population? Tell me a little bit about the sloth bear.

I don't know. I don't know much about it. Sloth Bear is an amazing creature from Asia. Let me pull up. I'm hoping Kyle can pull up. Yeah, you've got a picture up here. Okay. So yeah, it's probably the number one animal I wanted to see outside of the gharial when we went to India because in the parks we were in, they had them, didn't get to see them.

Apparently incredibly aggressive, like way more aggressive than a grizzly or anything else. And they're not nearly as big, much smaller animal. but yeah they'll defend themselves against tigers in India and other parts of Asia the guides we were with I think I told the story yeah I did tell the story the guides we were with when we were in Nepal they came rushing into the hut and like locked the door and I was like what is going on they're like we just saw a sloth bear on the trail and I was like fuck and like got all excited and like was trying to run out and they're like don't go out there don't go out there and they were like dead serious that if I just like was outside around a sloth bear it would rip me to shreds and I you know

I've multiple times I've been in Alaska and somebody's been like grizzly and I've gone sprinting out to see the grizzly from a safe distance. But these guys were like, no, no, you can't even like be anywhere near a sloth bear or they'll rip you to shreds. Can we just digress for a half a second here? Look at somebody, some photographer captured a sloth bear versus tiger battle in a series of photos. It's pretty unbelievable. Oh, I want to see him. I mean, the sloth bear does not have the size advantage here. Look at that.

Zoom in, Kyle, real quick on that second photo down. Zoom in on the bear's face there. Vicious, man. That looks like that werewolf that Joe Rogan has in his studio. That's exactly what it looks like. That is exactly what it looks like. That's a little guy. And there it looks cuttally.

And there it looks cute. They look like they're about to go for a French kiss. Wait, so is this a four-sized one or is this like a baby one? No, it's full size. Oh, my God. Tigers are, remember tigers are massive. That's true. I guess, yeah, for, dude, these things are bad ass.

Okay. What's your? So Sloth Bear versus what's the other one? Stripe Tyena. So, Kyle, if you'll pull up a picture of a Striped Tyena, we actually got really, really great trail cam footage of a striped taeina during the Zimbabwe. Cool. Main Lion, or not main lion, Cape Lion episode. Yeah.

And got incredible footage of one. But anyway, what do you think? They live in sub-Saharan Africa, of course. Who do you think has a higher wild population? Stripe tyina is of the higher population. Now that I know what I know about the lion, I'm going to say, Stripe Tyeneas coming in around 46,000. Okay.

Peter? Wow. I mean, just to play devil's advocate, I'll go with the sloth bear, even though I don't really believe it. I'll say population 50,000. You just don't believe it exists. No, I don't, I don't believe that it has a higher population, but I just want to go against the grain here.

All right. Before I give the answer, would you guys like to see my super cool new discus? Look at them back there. Is that the big yellowfish? Yeah. And then there's the blood discus as well, which I don't know, Kyle, I don't know if you can zoom in, but they're together. He's behind the yellowfish.

But no, they're. Kyle, can you hack into Forest Web cam and zoom it in, please? Perfect. Yeah, I got too beautiful. You know, it's hilarious. They're out right now. They're hiding. Oh, look, you can see the blue one nicely now.

See him? Oh, down to the bottom right there. He's right there. Oh, shit. Yeah, that's a reflection. That's a reflection. No, right there. No, no, I see him now.

Yeah, yeah. The bottom right was a reflection. Well, he's very cool. All right, back to the game. Who wins? The. So I said 50. 50,000, yeah, for the bear.

The sloth bear has a population of about 20,000 individuals in the wild, where there's the striped hyena only has 14,000. Oh, way! Come on. That's right. So we got one point for Peter so far. All right. Next up, we both know what these animals look like.

We have the gray wolf or the brown bear. Who do you think has a higher population in the wild? I didn't know like any of these, by the way. I was just like, oh, yeah, I sort of have an idea. of what their numbers or what their population is doing as far as whether it's surviving or dwindling. But I didn't know any of these like actual stats. So it's kind of cool. Like brown bear, gray wolf, they coexist in the same habitat.

I know what I thought first off. I was like, oh, this is going to be obvious. But I'm curious to hear what you guys think. This is a tough one. To me, this one seems very obvious. But I've been wrong on everyone so far. So I'm going to go brown bear. We're going worldwide population.

Correct. Not, man. I mean, there's still plenty in Russia, Siberia. I'm going to go like 250,000 brown bear left. I think they're doing great. Okay. Shit. I'm going to go with the brown bear as well.

The gray wolf gets hunted out of places. I mean, I'm going to go a little lower, though. I'll say 180,000 brown bear. Okay. Well, the brown bear, as you both guessed, has a point. population of 200,000 worldwide, whereas the gray wolf has a population of 300,000. Wow. What?

Yeah. But they're pack animals. That's why to me it was like pretty obvious. It's like, oh, well. This summer serve up the cookout classics, Heinz ketchup and Kraft singles. Every good burger needs a layer of perfectly milty cheese and thick rich ketchup. We all know it's not a cookout without Heinz and Kraft. Yamava Resort and Casino at San Manuel is California's number one.

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And so you have a pack of them that's going to account for more than the individual brown bears that are spread out all over the place. So, all right, we got two more games. If we like this game, I like this game. I like this. It's pretty fun. Yeah, it's pretty fun. Miles is offered to do a bunch more.

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What is the number of animals that you need to have in a population to be considered endangered, for example? I know they have different levels, but like, is it when it's down to like 3,000 or is there not a set number? For critically endangered? It doesn't matter. Whatever. I'm just trying to get a frame of reference like it. Well, that's interesting. Kyle, look it up.

I'm not sure because it's different, you know, there's a whole lot of different specifications. But critically endangered is when there's less than 250 breeding adults left. That's critically endangered. So, 250. And basically, it doesn't really even mean that, to be honest, because what it really means is critically endangered means that it has a most, I think it's like greater than 50% chance of going extinct without intervention in 20 years or less. That's actually one of this.

Because so, you know, you can have a population of, and this is why it's, so different, right? You can have a population of 250 animals and be like, oh, they'll be fine because they're super five, you know, like if you had a population of 250 Dorado, they'd be fine because they reach adulthood in three months and they can, you know, make 10,000 babies. Whereas a population of 250 orangutan, gorilla, elephants, any of these slow reproducing, like, big whales, they're pretty much fucked. They're just slowly going to dwindle from there because that capacity is not enough for them to, to generationally continue at a fast enough rate. So, um, okay. Probability of extinction is, uh, 20% within 20 years or five generations. That's

critically endangered. Um, so probability of extinction in the wild in at least, is at least 20% within 20 years. That's, that's how they define critical endangered. Gotcha. And then endangered, it says, according to National Geographic Society, if the population decreases by 20% within a five year period, Oh, that's interesting. Okay. See, it's all over the place. That's what I'm going to say. It's not like there.

It's really more like on a case by case basis of the species than it is, than it should ever be like a blanket set statement on numbers. Yeah, for sure. It has to do with the slope of the animal. Yeah. Yeah, population. All right. We got two more.

Want to play two more? Heiser lows. Let's do it. Yes, sir. Okay. Sea Otter versus Elephant Seal. Again, cohabitate, Pacific Northwest. We have elephant seals.

sea otters. Cal's going to pull up pictures. They're great, super cool animals. You think there's a million of them. You really do, both of them, especially sea otter. But what do you think their populations are at? I mean, I've seen a lot of sea otters. I haven't seen a lot of elephant seals. It's always the same picture of that same sea otter when we pull in. I know. Every picture. I'm going to go sea otters. There's more of them. I'm going to say there's one million left. Wow. Wow. I'm going to have to, I'm still in the lead, I think, right? Yeah, I haven't gotten any right.

I'm going to have to agree with Pat on this one then just because I feel like elephant seals they're bigger and for some reason that makes me feel like there can't be as many. They take up too much space. Generally that's, generally that's true. Like because of humans, no other reason. But generally that's true. A million you said, Pat? Yeah, I already looked it up.

I'm way off. Ah, shit. Tell me that, but I am going to go under in this price is right strategy. I'll say 700,000. So sea otters, keep in mind, were hunted to near extinction for their fur during like the Gold Rush era. Don't forget about that. We've talked about that and what it did to the California CalP forests. However, their population has rebounded to a pretty healthy 106,000.

Wow. Whereas elephant seals have a nice, robust, decently robust population of 170. thousand individuals. Wow, close, close. I've never seen an elephant seal. I didn't even know that existed. That picture is the first time I've seen one. I was like, wow. You got it. You got it. That's, that's, first of all, that's a ridiculous statement. Secondly, it's something that you should remedy immediately because all you have to do is take a nice drive up to Hearst Castle along the California One with your family and go and see you. Because they're incredible. Like your family will love it. I was trying to find a picture of

me standing next to one to show you. Hell yeah. No, this is good. This is, this is good advice, just like you gave me, I think, in one of the bonus pods about how to cook fish. This is, I wrote it down. I'm going to write this down. I'm always looking for something to do with the kids in the family. I'm going to go see elephant seals with my newborn. And it's a winter activity, by the way.

And the only reason I'm staring my phone is I was trying to find a picture to show you guys. I don't, I don't think people understand the scale of how big these things are. 13 feet long for the middle. almost 5,000 pounds. They're huge. Right. You're in California, too. Kyle's going to pull up this picture.

I just texted him once he madly scrambles between his phone and computer and everything else. But no, so here's what you do, Peter. I'll give you, you ready for it? Yeah. Might want to wipe this down. All right. So you pack the family up on a Thursday afternoon. Okay.

Hold on. Pack family up Thursday. Maybe you don't need to go that far. Drive yourself to Pismo Beach, California. When you get to Pizmo Beach, you're going to want to go to Splash Cafe and have a giant, Kyle, while you're scrambling, also pull these pictures up. Good luck. You're going to want to go to Pismo Beach and you're going to want to stop at Splash Cafe for a bread bowl of clam chowder. Oh, that's good.

We did that in Seattle, remember, Pat? Yes. It's good. It's going to hurt the tum-tum, but it is going to be very worth it. Every bite. You get an entire loaf of San Luis sourdough. You know that good sourdough that we only get in here in SoCal? get an entire loaf of San Luis sourdough carved out filled with the creamiest, most decadent clam chowder on the West Coast.

I might go today. I may go today. Then, sir, you're going to go from Pismo Beach. You're going to take the one. Okay, don't take the 101. You're not going to San Francisco. When you hit San Luis Obispo, you're going to turn left and you're going to go on the one. Okay. Forget about Morrow Bay.

Okay. If you're from Morrow Bay, I'm sorry. Forget about Morrow Bay. Nothing good takes place in Morrow Bay. I love Morrow Bay. Swing into Cayucas, California. Okay. Cayucas, California.

Yep. Once you hit Cayucas, C-A-Y-U-C-O-S. Once you hit Cayucas, you're going to want to take a quick stop at the brown butter bakery, I believe it's cold. And get yourself a Huckleberry Pie. This is fantastic.

Yeah, Huckleberry pie, lots of whipped cream. Across the street is the smoked fish store in case you're still looking for a little nibbler. Get yourself some smoked fish for the road. Okay. From there, you're going to continue along the one. You're going to stop multiple times to take in the incredible sites between Cayucas, California and San Simeon, California.

Maybe a nice wine tasting in Cambria, maybe not. But you're going to take in the sites. You're going to see how incredibly beautiful the Central California coast is. You're going to hit the forest, the redwoods, that area. And then you're going to get to a turnout that I'm not going to share with the Brosners. And I'm going to send you a pin. And when you get to that turnout, you're going to walk down the dirt trail. with your family, with your small child, children, and your wife,

you're going to go south along the beach. Once you've gone south along the beach about 150 yards, you're going to stop and see an enormous beach sausage that looks like this photo that Cal is going to pull up right now. Okay? And that, sir, is an elephant seal. And you're going to be able to sit on the beach right on that little dune that's behind my buttocks there and see these unbelievable creatures in February or March of the coming year.

And you're going to watch these things, bar, fight with each other, mate, make crazy noises. Your kids are going to love it. Then you're going to continue on to Ragged Point in Big Sur, spend the night up at Ragged Point. You're actually writing this down, which is phenomenal. Spend the night at Ragged Point. Kyle, pull up Ragged Point, Big Sur. You're going to spend the night in an over the Vista bungalow and Ragged Point, about 160 bucks, won't break the bank. Beautiful. Maybe two nights. Hang out in the pool, go for a walk, hit Julia Pfeiffer Falls at the state park. then you're going to head back down the coast and go home.

That's a perfect weekend right there. I mean, this is literally, like, I'm, I'm drooling. I'm salivating right now. And I swear to God, I'm doing this in March probably. You must. Your family will love you. Your wife will think it's incredible. You'll see one of the biggest marine mammals in California.

Peter just sent it in the group chat to everybody. Kyle, make sure we put this in the description of the, uh, this is big, This is big information. I think people really like it. And it's stunning. That point, that pinpoint is the true key to this. Yes, it is. It's San Simeon, California for those that, oh, I forgot.

I forgot. Sorry, I forgot one thing. I don't mean to keep being your travel guide here. But after you've stopped, and Kyle, pull this picture up too, please, after you've stopped to enjoy the elephant seals, you're going to take your family on a lovely walking tour of Hurst Castle, H-E-R-S-T, Castle. Then you're going to continue on to Ragged Point.

Maybe on the way back down, because you've done a lot of action. activities. Yeah, I mean, well, mostly you've been eaten on the way up. Yeah, yeah, you're fat now. But you're going to have a nice tour of first castle, which is also a delight. There's, there's zebras walking around, maybe some small. Wow. Giraff, you never know. Plus this amazing castle. Yeah, you won't regret it. That's a really next weekend. This is, I mean, I'm like getting excited and it's just unfortunate because, you know, my wife's 20 weeks, 20, 20 months pregnant. She's about to have a kid. I'll have nothing to do. This is the most exciting visualization of something

I've had in my head for a while. Put it on the calendar for March. Your family's going to love you. The whole trip's going to cost you like 400 bucks in gas and accommodations and everything. Maybe an extra hundred in Huckleberry Pies. But, uh, you know, it's a, it's a very worthwhile weekend. Your family's going to think you're a wonderful man for it. Thank you.

Yeah. I like it. I love it. All right. Last one. Ready? Here we go. Oh shit.

We're still playing. Highs or lows. We have red pants. versus the cheetah. The adorable red panda from the highs of the Himalayas or the zippy cheetah, which would be the wings on my sevens rugby team. Who you take and who's got the higher population in the wild?

God damn, that thing's cute. Yeah, it is. It's got to be red panda, right? Does it? I'm going to go, 11,000 red panda. I'm going to go, God, for some reason I have in my head that cheetahs are in.

endangered, but I'm going to go Cheetahs anyways, and I'll just say 11,000 and one. Good, good guesses. That's how they write it out. They add the end one. All right. So, as your guesses, as I think we've talked about before, Cheetahs had some terrible diseases and got hammered and their population came really, really close to extinction. They had a big genetic bottlenecking. However, they've bounced back to a relatively healthy, but still in pretty rough situation, 7,000 individuals in the wild, whereas the Red Panda has a population of 10,000 individuals in the wild. Wow, okay, so close, but low.

Lowest on our list? No, not lowest on our list. Let's see, let me pull the list back up. Yes, lowest on the list is the Cheetah at 7,000. Okay, all right. Wow, that is a, that was a learning experience, the game and the tour guide. The travel advice. Yeah. It might be the best game

we ever played. Crazy. By the way, just on the Cheetahs, they were estimated to be at 100,000, 100 years ago. And now they're down to 7,100. Wow. So brutal. Yeah. Was that I mean, it sounds like a lot of that was the disease, right? As opposed to, I'm sure a lot of habitat loss as well.

If you're looking, I mean, habitat loss is the big reason because there's nowhere for them to go. but what is it, let me look it up quickly. It's, here it is, systemic amyloid ambilosis, I think is the disease that they got. And it was, it just, it just ran through Cheetahs. I think, is that the right one? It's a neurological disorder, I believe. And I might have to do a little more reading than five seconds.

But it, uh, it basically just ran through them. I think it came from domestic dogs, if I'm not mistaken. Oh, right. And, uh, it's our fault. We fucked it up. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Milopathy, Kyle says. Maybe that was what it is.

Enchita is a distinct neurological disorder characterized by degenerative lesions. Yeah, this is a lesions of the spinal cord causing ataxia and parasis, which I don't know. God, just sounds like, that's like. Yeah. Sounds painful. Sounds like a bad time. Sounds awful. Probably affects memory.

Neurologist. Just fuck off. Can we do one more thing, one more segment? I think we should. Or at least. At least one. At least one more. We've got an animal mystery.

Yeah. Let's do it. We need to solve it. This story takes place in Texas. Okay. Never heard of it. In Hill Country Village, Texas, specifically. Okay.

Hill Country. This is a suburban neighborhood. Takes place in a woman's backyard. It's midday. She sees an animal. walking through her yard doesn't know what it is, doesn't look like anything she's seen before. It stops. It eats some berries off of a berry bush.

Berries? It's a vegetarian or an omnivore. And then it sort of disappears into the wooded area behind her house. Okay. So first thoughts here about this berry eating strange animal in the suburbs of Texas. It's a deer. It's in the suburbs. It walks up.

Oh, but she doesn't know what it is. So it's not just a common deer. It's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's dumb. It is a mangy, no. Yeah, it's a mangy fox. It's a mangy fox. Okay, okay. All right, I mean, let's remember that Texas is the home of the most reported chupacabra sightings.

And where the most eccentric weirdos have like big animals in their backyards coming from me. True. But a chupacabra is not eating berries, mate. Come on. No, right. They suck the blood of goats. That's right. All right.

The goat sucker. Let me give me. I'm going to give you one more piece of information before we show the photo. Ooh. So someone from one zoo who weighed in, a zoologist, if you will, said that it. that it is very likely an American badger. Well, another zoologist said he believes it is a dog coyote hybrid. Poy dog.

Huh. Pretty different takes there, though. Very. Those two things are not similar. Let's take a look at this photo. Let's see if we can. Yeah. Zoom in, please.

Wow, that's, that's it, huh? That's pretty ugly. it's very uh yeah it looks just like so it's first of all i don't know who said it's a badger but it's definitely not a badger so kyle we'll have a picture of an american badger please i mean there's nothing there badger-esque at all it was a zoologist well he needs prescription glasses um but that uh that there's your american badger the legs are wrong the body shape is wrong that ain't it um there's a missing tail though that the the mystery picture looks like a

It doesn't have a tail. Or am I seeing that? I see the tail. Oh, is it a little stumpy? I think it's there. I think it's hanging down there. Oh,

okay, there it is. Yeah. Well, I know what I think it is, but I couldn't tell you exactly what it is. I mean,

it appears to have a tusk coming out of its mouth. There is something going on in the front there. I don't know. That's got to be. Berry bush or what's happening over there. It looks like a dingo. So here's, Kyle,

do me a favor. Open a new tab and type in, uh, Belize pot liquor. I sure hope porn doesn't come up. Go to images. So these are these pups. Man, they're very diverse.

When we were in Belize, I almost brought one of these guys home because I loved him. But yeah, go to that guy. Go to the one with the big, big perky ears there on the left. Three down on the left. This is a type of domestic dog. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it's basically just a crazy mongrel. But they have a lot of these. So what I'm seeing in that picture is just a real mixed up mutt, kind of like that pot liquor that's riddled with mange. Like lost all his fur. I mean, just just looks just riddled with mange.

Like has those pox that sort of skin issue, no fur. You can kind of see the testes in the back there under the tail, meaning it's a male. Yeah, I'm seeing like just a real mangy mongrel. That's what I'm seeing. Yeah. I mean, I got to agree. It looks like just

kind of like a swollen dog of some time. Look at how fat its limbs are. They're very thick. And you can see all its wrinkles. It just looks like it's had some hard years out there in the wild. Some hard years. Are you buying the coy dog?

I don't really see the coyote. I don't see any coyote. And it's stocky. You know, the coyotes always have that lean, like the belly goes concave, you know? Like that lean, agile, like the way a greyhound or a whipit or something has that that look or even a German shepherd.

This is much more square-bodied. I'm just seeing a real mangy street dog, basically. Yeah. Yeah, that is what it looks like. Why he would be eating berries, I don't know. That's pretty odd. But I guess if he's mangy and just desperate, you know, whatever. He looks pretty well fed, though, honestly.

It doesn't look like emaciated or anything, which is true. But he's definitely not in good shape. Yeah. Also, have you, have you been to Texas? Like, they're skinny don't exist, okay? So, everything's bigger there. Everything's bigger in Texas. Even their, even their dying street dogs. That's what I'm calling it.

What do you guys think? I mean, yeah. Dog. Yeah, I got to agree. It's definitely a canine. Like, it's a dog. There's no way that it's a badger. That was ludicrous.

Yeah, that was a poor call. I got, you know, mystery. Mystery solved. We found a street dog. There is no answer to this, though. It's just a straight up mystery. Okay.

Well, way in. Broisner's way in. What do you think in the comments? Would love to hear your thoughts. Always love to read those and get a sense of what's going on in the community when it comes to these animal mysteries. Good. All right, guys. Well, I think this is good.

This is useful. We've learned a lot. We've played some games. We've learned about animal populations and some rugby. I don't know what else we talked about. But some other good stuff. And so here's the thing. Let's just circle back to rugby because we didn't figure out what our bet is.

Okay. I think at five to one, Ireland feels like the bet because it's, it's paying five to one versus South Africa. You're only getting 2.5 to one. Well, I wish I'd bet when you first told me those stats where they were like fourth ranking to win. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you why it's clownish here. And I'll put money on South Africa. I'll go out right now. I'll put $100, 200 bucks on South Africa.

It doesn't matter what the game. Here's why. Because Ireland is ranked number one in the world because of how many Northern Hemisphere rugby teams they beat to get there. And don't get me wrong, they're looking good. They're looking hard. They're looking bullish.

They got great players, big freaking forwards. But they're Northern Hemisphere teams. Okay. That's like being the hardest kid. You're a hemispherist. I am. That's like being the hardest marshmallow at the marshmallow factory. okay like you're still not that hard okay and now when you're no stay puffed and i'll tell you why i can even

bring it back to a whole theory i have behind rugby and who's going to win and why and has nothing to do with the athletes um which is really advanced theory thinking here now very strange no oh i got a whole thing on it now they're not going to win because they're not as hard as south africa south africa has nothing to lose and everything to gain they've got to prove it they want it more than anybody. Their country is in shambles. There is load shedding. There is murder. I mean, life is rough if you live in South Africa. Life is not that rough if you live in Ireland. They don't need it like South Africa needs it. When South Africa won the last World Cup four years ago, it literally changed the entire atmosphere of the country because of how impactful it was.

Because it's the biggest thing by a landslide in South Africa is the sport of rugby. And it changed the entire outlook of the country and made them forget for four years that their country ships more cold than anywhere else basically on the planet. And yet they still don't have any power that their whole natural resources are being destroyed, that the murder rates unbelievable, that there's no electricity. I mean, it's just like it means something to South Africans and it means something to see a Colise who's step the captain of the springbox who's stepping on that field who's representing his country for so much more than a sports game.

And they are hard fucking people. All those boys on that South Africa team either come from like slums or farms or, you know, like rough, rough neighborhoods in schools. You're talking about a bunch of Irish. I mean, come on. All they do is drink Guinness and sit around. Like they can't fucking, nah, they got nothing. They got nothing.

No, it is. I do like what you're doing here. And I think you're right. It does, we always forget to, to put ourselves in the shoes of whatever we're trying to figure out. And that motivation that they have, you're probably right. I mean, I'm watching a 90 day fiancee where they're in South Africa. It is terrible there from what I see on the.

90 day reality show. So these guys definitely got something to prove it sounds like. And I'm going to go out and bet. Is there any now any way I could, I mean, I'm like in Tonga at 500 to 1. Any chance they pull it out? No. Fiji's got a better odd of winning than Tonga. Of those three.

So Fiji, Samoa and Tonga are always a Pacific island nations. Here's the thing. They're the most fun teams to watch. There's no question about it. They do all this fancy stuff. They play a game of rugby that is like this fast dynamic like break all the rules. Like they'll just like throw the ball over their heads at each other and like catch it out of the air with one finger and like alley up it and do all this nonsense shit.

That's super fun to watch. But as soon as the pressure really, really gets applied because they're all such incredible individual athletes, they don't come together as a team the way that they need to. And it's, you know, you see it because like, they'll, They'll beat any team in the USA, most European teams, whatever, any day of the week, because they have 15 unbelievable athletes on the field that are just like dynamic and can do crazy that nobody else can do. But as soon as the pressure gets super, super hard, they all go into this mode of I'm going to

win the game for the team and they lose the teamness of it. And that has them fall apart. And I've seen it every major game they play. And I'm not saying they're not incredible teams. They are. but they just don't have that team unity. I mean, those South African boys, like, they live together, they eat together, they drink together, they sleep together.

All they do is rugby 24 hours a day. They don't do anything else. And, you know, all the Samoans and Tongans and Fijians, and part of this is the sad reality of the economies of these countries we're talking about. They're like school teachers, doctors, construction workers. Like, they're busy at their 9 to 5 the rest of the time and then come together to play rugby. And you just, that's really hard to make that into the world. world winning team, you know? Yeah. Well, I also just looked back at the history of the event since

1987. There's only like six teams that have ever even been in the finals. Oh, really? It's England, Australia, France, New Zealand, South Africa, and whale once, I think, right? You named them. No, it's literally five. France, England, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia. That's it. I think we need to get a rugby podcast. on the network here for us. You've gotten me excited about a sport I've never even watched. Oh, you watch it for 15 minutes

and you're going to be hooked. It's on peacock, by the way. If you're listening to this, Brozner, it's $6 for a peacock subscription, and they've got every game on there. So go download the peacock app, throw on a rugby game. It's tremendous.

It's probably free for a month or at least seven days, too. So do it up. Probably. My money's, my money's, you've convinced me 100 bucks on South Africa to win 275 put it in the books I was convinced you two weeks ago when we first started talking and their odds were so much

more like 400 yeah I didn't know that I didn't know that um but yeah anyway it's good I'd like to see how many brosters how many broosters love rugby as much as for us so if you're interested comment down there who you think's gonna win and why send us a video I mean if you get You've got to see the athleticism of these guys and like the level, like some of these things, like when you're bored, we won't do it on the pod, but just if you're listening to this and you've got another 10 minutes, just type in Faf de Clark giant slayer and watch a guy who's five foot seven beat the shit out of like eight guys that are bigger than gronk or, you know, like some of the biggest guys in the NFL and he's like five foot seven, 140 pounds.

And he beats the Jesus out of these guys. And it's just, it's, rugby is a game of all heart. Like, don't get me wrong. You have to be a great athlete, but it's all in your head and your heart. It doesn't exist anywhere else. If you're willing to do stupid things and give a hundred percent, like you watch these little fucking guys like Cheslin Colby or Faf de Clark beat the shit out of guys that are five foot nine, seven foot 300 pounds of raw muscle.

And it's just because they're just, their screws are loose and they're just like, let's go. They're just looking for it. It's phenomenal to watch. Well, if Forrest on Sunday, you decide. you want to bet a little bit on South Africa's match against Romania. And you want to bet on South Africa to beat Romania, your $100 bet, we'll pay you $0.10. That is the actual math.

So imagine being Romania, it's your first time in the Rugby World Cup, and in your first pool play match, you have to face the number one world champion, South Africa. How brutal is that? There's something wrong there. You've got to give those guys of change. random it's random draw but it's just it's pretty brutal to be in that so real real quick how do the

points work because you if you want to just bet even money you have to on south africa you have to spot uh romania 69 points oh uh that's confusing so the points work like this i was just texting it to a buddy so that he understood it uh here i wrote it all out uh so the point allocation in pool stages four points are awarded for a win two points are awarded for a draw a Try bonus point is awarded to teams that score four or more tries in a match. So you get a bonus point. A try is a touchdown, by the way. So you get four, you get, uh, yeah, four or more tries and you get a bonus point.

And a losing bonus point is awarded to teams that lose a match by seven or fewer points. So it's, it's pretty fucking calm. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure it works out though. To make it does. It makes sense when you're, that's, that's exactly what it is. Just, just watch a game.

Like, it's so much fun to watch. You watch these big, crazy athletes go 100% speed at each other for 80 minutes. There's no stopping down like in football. There's no pads or helmets. There was a clash in the England-Argentina game. Maybe Kyle can pull it up where these two guys go up to go for the ball. And at full-speed sprints from across the field, they both go up and just go head to head and just explode each other's heads. They both had like 12 stitches in their format.

And this is in like minute two of the game. And you're just like, yeah, I'm in four. it. Like it's so much more exciting. Of course, yeah. And that's the difference between rugby and like anything else. They go off and they're just fucking wrapping tape around their head till they look like, you know, one of those Middle Eastern things on their head.

And then they're back on the field, you know, and that's it. Like just straight into it. Like there's no way they're coming off the field on a game like that. It's just so much fun to watch. I'm sold. I'm going to watch. I'm going to bet. And, you know, that'll be it. I'll let you guys know what I do.

I think we lost every brosner. This is like an American-based podcast. There's like four people that like rugby, but I don't care. It's worth it. If they are still listening, what should they say for us? What should they comment if they are still listening? Uh, go Bucky. Springboks. G-O-B-O-K-K-E, go Bok-K-E, go Bok-K-E, go. You made it this far in the podcast. Oh, wait, we usually do that. You have to do the thing. And I'll say it. All right. I'll do the thing. Yeah. So, uh, you know, go to the wild times. Wild Times. Club. I'm sorry. No the wild times. Dot club forward slash info for all the links.

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