Wild Times: Wildlife Education - TWT #101 - Orcas vs White Sharks, Monkey Gangs & Animal Eating Behavior

Episode Date: September 5, 2022

Forrest, Patrick & Peter discuss Orca and White Shark behavior in South Africa, talk about What's In The News and we get a wild story about Forrest's cousin in South Africa. Plus an update from Forrest about his bear problem at home. Leave a review on iTunes Apple Podcast: https://thewildtimespodcast.com/itune...  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wildtimespod/  Official Website: https://thewildtimespodcast.com/  Info: https://thewildtimespodcast.com/info  Merch: https://thewildtimespodcast.com/merch  Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/wildtimespod Enjoy, brosteners! TWT #101 - The Breakdown 00:00 - Intro 02:45 - Core Brostners 03:42 - Orcas & White Sharks in South Africa 08:40 - Do Sharks Communicate? 11:25 - Animal Eating Behavior 17:56 - What's In The News? 31:05 - Forrest Bear Update 33:39 - More Monkey Talk 38:20 - Forrest's Cousin in South Africa 45:20 - Patrick Goes Phoneless 49:03 - Bizarre Animal of the Week 54:45 - Wrapping Up

Wild Times. Episode number 101. We said this day would never come. We said we'd never make it over the 100th mark without killing each other. The plan was to stop at one. And here we are. There was a pretty big fight the other day. No, there was not.

This is episode 101 of the Wild Times podcast. We are here in our very beautiful studio of Peter's Living Room. Beautiful. Look at these banisters, dude. They're from like 1963. I like your house. I don't know what you're talking. Yeah, no, no, just the banisters. It's not nice.

And I am your host, Forrest Galante, the broologist, joining me on my left is Mr. Peter Fitzer, a PhD in podcasting, the one and only re-tep. Professor, what's going on? Hello, this is great. War shorts today, it's very hot. Didn't realize that it's probably going to look bad on camera. It does.

I think I have some stretch marks. Doing good. How are you doing, Pat? I'm good. Yeah. I'd rather be doing this than working. Yeah. This is working.

This is a treat. This is working now. I guess it is technically. We are locked in right now. Also, I'm also wearing shorts, but I wear shorts every day. I was noticing your legs when you walked in, man. When was the last time you worked out your legs? It's been a long time, hasn't it?

Oh, wow. I thought you were, I was hoping you were going the other way with that. No, no. Oh, okay. Okay. They look like toothpakes. You call them chicken legs? A little bit.

Okay. Let's go squat right now. Let's put the mics down. I got a bad knee. It'll be worse than the push-up contest. I got a bad knee. I was thinking about the push-up contest that we did in the old studio that you guys did. Yes.

Was that on the air? Oh, it was an AMA. It was during a live A-M-A. Who won? I don't know. I'm sure I did. I think you did. Probably let him win because he's, you know.

Well, you've got a lot more weight to push up. You do. Yeah, but it also helps because I have a lot more weight pulling me down. Wow, that's logic. What a mess. Well, here we are. This is The Wild Times. It's the greatest show on the air.

Are we on TV? Can you watch us on TV? Not yet. Is that a thing? No. I was thinking about trying to get us on Roku, and then I was like, this is way too much bullshit. Dude, YouTube gets way more reach than TV anyways. We're on YouTube. Find us there.

That's true. Find us on YouTube. You're probably watching this on YouTube. What else is going on? So we did the 100th. That was a big deal. Yeah. You know?

Huge, huge. turnout for that. I was very excited about that. Couldn't believe Daniel Kuhl and what he did on that one. That was crazy. Go back and watch. That was disgusting. Yeah, he is. God damn it. Been here since episode one, though, so thanks to him. A lot of people have. Yeah. Which is kind of weird. We have that core of people that have been here. If this is your first time watching, go back. You have 100 episodes to catch up on. Don't even come back here until you've caught out. It's like 150 hours probably. That's a lot. I can't believe I've even spent that much time talking to me.

Somebody posted on Instagram that they were on their fourth day straight of Wild Times. And I was like, what's wrong with you? No, I get those comments all the time where people will be like, hey, you know, I just put this on at work. Like I'll do six, seven hours in a day of listening to Wild Times while I'm working. And I'm like, what? Six or seven hours of us? Oh, dude, I had a job in, but it was my first job in L.A. working at USC in the mailroom,

as it was like a temp job. And I just listened to pre-podcast days, but I just had a live stream of ESPN radio. It was the only thing that got me through the day. Oh, interesting. I was just listening to fucking 10 hours of sports talk. Yeah. Speaking of podcasts and speaking of listening to them,

so on the drive down here today, I threw on Davey Bird, guest on the show, not too long ago. Yeah, I remember. He sent me a message. He goes, hey, check out our newest episode. of Beyond Jaws, his podcast. I've got Chris Fallows on, and he's talking about the real white shark orca situation in South Africa. Are you familiar with what I'm talking about? No. A bunch of, a couple different prosners sent me the video. Oh, are you talking about the

video of the orcas eating the white shark? So, yeah, so let me digest it. So 2014, a whole but, so Huns Bay, South Africa, Seal Island, where they do all the Air Jaws stuff, you know, that's where, that's like the white shark capital of the world, right? 2014, there were like two sharks. By 2000, or maybe they were like six, as opposed to like 40. By 2018,

gone. Zero sharks. And everybody was like, what the fuck's going on? So they blamed, there are two resident orcas that moved in, okay?

And their names were Port and Starboard based on the way their fins curled over. Yeah. And so there's this whole like idea like, oh, these,

and they were responsible for like a documented four or five different orca attacks. or sorry, white shark attack. So orcas will pray on white sharks. They'll eat their livers, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so the whole world got up in arms and was like,

oh, these orcas have pushed the white sharks out of Seal Island. Like the white sharks are gone. And that was like the believed statement, right? Now, the white sharks have come back in the last couple years and numbers have leveled off. Yeah. What Chris Fellows, who's a world-renowned wildlife photographer, and he lives in South Africa,

and when I say wildlife photographer, he's really just a shark photographer, but he just spends all his time out there. He says it's all bullshit, which is pretty interesting. Conspiracy theory stuff. Sort of. So here's his theory, okay? And I think it adds up a lot more.

Wait, so this is going to be his theory about why the white sharks left? Correct. Like why the whole general belief that this pair of orcas pushed out all these white sharks is bullshit. Okay. Wow. Okay. So when orcas move into an area and start predating on white sharks, white sharks are known to leave for a short to medium amount of time and then come back. Come in, orcas come in,

white sharks go, fuck this, like they're eating us, let's get out of here, as a group. They don't just one or two leave. They leave as a group and then they come back as a group. That's documented. That's been documented at Farrell-on Island. It's been documented in Australia. It's been documented in Seal Island. But what is not spoken about is the fact that juvenile white sharks in particular, all the way up to sub-adults, prey a lot on smaller shark species. So white sharks hunt other sharks. At Seal Island, we know they eat seals, blah, blah, blah, blah. And what Chris Fellows is saying is he's like,

nobody is talking about the fact that these white sharks spend 60 to 70% of their time at seal islands. That's where you see them breaching and jumping and eating seals and stuff. And the other 30, 40% of their time is spent coastal eating these smaller sharks, eating soup fins and seven gills and dogfish and all these other sharks.

And that fishery collapsed into, 2014. And sure enough, like, that fishery collapsed by the next year there were only a handful of sharks, and by the year after that, there were no sharks. White sharks. What do you mean the fishery? So people will fish for those at smaller sharks. They go on the fish and chips menu in places like Australia and, you know, England and stuff like that. And South Africa is a hub for fishing, you know, very limited regulations, and they can just fish whatever you like. So they figured out that right inshore from Seal Island, there's these fantastic breeding grounds for all these smaller shark species and the guys started fishing them like crazy. So the timeline goes like

this. 2014, 2013, there's a ton of orcas at Seal Island. 2014, a couple orca, sorry, a ton of white sharks at Seal Island. Yep. 2013, a couple orcas show up and a couple white sharks get killed. 2014, 2015, there's only a couple white sharks, but all of a sudden there's a collapse in their main food source, which is these smaller sharks. So they just got the fuck out of it. And so they just left. But everybody's blaming these orcas on like, oh, two orcas came in and displaced like 25, 40 white sharks, which is just, it's unreasonable to think because we've seen

orcas come in and out of that region for your decades. So that's just the theory. They have no actual evidence of that? Well, the evidence, the evidence is that the shark fishery collapse, the smaller sharks. And now the sharks are coming back because they put more stringent regulations on fishing for those smaller sharks. And so the white sharks are coming back. So the point is, I think what Chris Fallows is saying is much more, it's probably a combination of the two, but it's a much more, I think it's a much more accurate representation of what's probably going on.

So the sharks all leave together. Like, are they communicating? Yeah. Well, we don't know that, but there's no other way to explain it. So why, if these sharks are so smart. Why don't they just gang up and be like, yo, like there's 40 of us, there's two of them. Let's just fucking eat those bitches. It's a good question.

I mean, Kyle's giggling over there. I mean, it's a good question. I think that the orcas are way more powerful than white sharks, first of all. When you see the drone video, I think this thing's going viral. I don't know. Can you try and pull that up? I'd love to see this. But yeah, there's a drone video of these two orcas eating a white shark.

And you can tell the white shark. It's a fucking big shark. But when you see the size comparison with the orcas, they're just so massive compared to the white sharks. And they're more agile. They're more nimble. Like they're just a better predator, really. Yes.

Which is just insane. It's weird because I still would rather be eaten by an orca. Yes. It could swallow you whole, right? Yeah, you live inside its belly. Yeah. Burn your way out. I feel like when you're killed by an orca, it's instant.

And when you're killed by a white shark, it's torpor. It's torturous. Exactly. I don't know why I just feel that way. Yeah. So here's the video. I'm not sure if this is the one I saw. So what's interesting, Chris was saying he has these photos and these videos

where in the foreground you see a white shark hammering a seal or sea lion. And in the background, there's an orca hammering a dolphin in the same frame. Wow. It's just such a crazy feeding area where you'd see all this big marine mammal predation taking place. It's fascinating. Anyway, yeah, I just thought I'd share that. I think that it's one of those things where here's a guy, we've talked about this with Dave Ebert, here's a guy where he's out there every single day, he's keeping his own field notes, he's an observational scientist,

and he's like, here's what's going on. I'm telling you, because I'm watching this behavior every single day, and like the majority of the scientific community is like, oh, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I read, no. paper in a book that it goes like this. And you're like, come on, dude. Yeah, yeah. Here's the drone footage. There we go.

So you got two orcas. Oh, yeah, I saw this. This is amazing. And you see the white sharks surface at a certain, there it is. That shark's already messed up. That is messed up. Is it upside down? Well, they messed up.

Oh, look at the blood coming out of them. They fucked it up. He's moey messed up. Oh, yeah, there's a little. Oh, there's a third orca pushing him around. A little third orca. How did they get it? this footage. My God.

Oh, interesting. It seems like they killed it. They're eating the liver out. Yeah, so what's up with that? It's just a delicacy for them? Dude, I'm the liver king, bro. That's the liver king. Alpha organisms go for the liver first, as he says over and over, which isn't always true. It's just super nutrient dense, right? It's fatty, it's high in fats, and it's incredibly nutrient dense.

So if you're an animal that makes a kill on it, By the way, sharks have massive livers. I don't know if you've ever seen like a dissected shark. It's so a lot of the fat in their, so sharks don't have swim bladders. Okay, swim bladder is an air sack that all fish have that they regulate. They pump air into it to go up and they lose air out of it to go down. Yeah, yeah. Sharks don't have that.

They have a fatty liver and that amount of fat in their liver because fat is positively buoyant is what regulates their buoyancy. So the size of fat, Kyle, maybe you can pull this up for those watching. Just look up shark liver. just to show you the size. If you've ever gutted an animal, if you've ever gutted basically any creature, you're like, oh, okay, the liver's this big.

It's like the size of the day. It's like, for us, it's like maybe a little bit bigger than our fist or something. I think our liver is delicious. Sure. Yeah. In a shark, it's like, holy shit. Yeah, like, look at those, yeah, like right there.

Look at the amount. It runs the whole length of the body. The whole thing. So because it's an organ that they're using to regulate their buoyancy. So in addition to that, it's super high in nutrients. It's super fatty. it is, you know, the shark version of a superfood.

Yeah, look there. Like, pull that one up, Kyle. So, yeah, right there. I mean, look at how much of that is liver. Basically, the entire inside of the shark is just liver. It's like all of the, it's like the meat of the inside. Totally. You know.

Yeah. I told you, and I probably told a story before, but it's just crazy when you see animals selectively eat like that. Like when I was with BTG and Alaska, and there are so many salmon up in the ABC Islands. It's just all the banks are just littered with salmon that have one bite taken out. Right. But they just bite out the egg sacks.

Yep. And move on. Yeah. They're like, they don't even fuck with the other stuff. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy? Yeah. My dog Charlie right here, he does the same thing.

I'll put in wet food mixed with dry food. I come back just to dry food all over the ground. The wet food, like a hole in the pile of food. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, and I watch him like, and then just keep eating it. dude, and I'm just like, you fucking bastard. Dude, I'll tell you a little animal behavior thing that's just happened at my house.

Yeah. So my dog always been food motivated. Yep. Half German Shepherd, super food motivated, made it easier to, you know, to train the dog. For sure. from the fancy fucking pet store that I go to. And it's just like, you know, best part of the day is giving the dog the treat, you know. Yeah.

And since the baby has started eating real food, she has recently learned that it's really fun for her to knock food on the floor and watch the dog eat it. Yep. Dog won't eat treats anymore. Because he had the human food? And we were meticulous. never ever gave the, because I can't stand when you go to someone's house and the dog's like, nosing you in the nuts under the table. In the crotch the whole time. Charlie's the fucking worst, man. Yeah, so we never let her taste human food. And now that she's had it, thinks the dog treats are a joke.

Well, you know, that's why I named my dog Hoover, right? No, I swear to God. We got, we got our current dog when my son was seven months old. And we're like, oh, what are we going to call him? And, you know, he's literally sniffing around under the high chair the whole time because my kid's seven months old. And we're like, we're going to call him Hoover. He's going to hoover up after the kid. Well, dude, I'll say I did the same thing with Charlie. We were meticulous about not giving him any food. And

it was the worst, any human food. It was the worst mistake I've ever done. Because now... We were meticulous about never feeding him. Yeah. It's weird why it was so grumpy all the time. But dude, like, now he just fucking comes and sits on the couch. Like, you can't get rid of him. He gets mean. If you're like, get out of here.

Get out of here. Just like, bearing his teeth and shit. I don't like when you do that me either. I'm just feeling my hair earlier. I also can't get comfortable. This is a terrible situation for me because I've got the table here and the dog here. But what people don't know is if you move, Charlie will latch on to you and never let go. Yeah, I know.

Yeah, he looks lovely. But if you touch his face right now, you're losing a finger. Zero question. Dude, did you, did you guys, were you guys surprised at the size of, well, you, your boy's nuts when he was first born? The nuts sack? So this is a changed topic. I'm going to say no. The nuts? The nuts?

Well, it's not really the nuts. It's the nuts sack. I was like, I was like, his nuts are bigger than mine. And he just came out. And then, of course, I had to look it up. They come out swollen, like two to three times the size that they're going to be. And they've just deflated it.

And I'm like, yeah, there you are. This might be like more a comment on you than your kid, dude. Back to normal. I change this diaper 30 times a day I'm like, I'm not looking at the poop I'm looking at... Oh no, I'm with you. I've certainly stared at my kids' genitalia.

I just didn't... I just didn't... He didn't pop out and I go, whoa, you're fucking hung, buddy! Like, that wasn't the first thing that came to my mind. Yeah, I mean, it was the thing that came to my mind. It's pretty much the first thing

that anyone who has like any group thread him on where someone has a son, it's just people being like, how's his Hogan? Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Dude, I had to watch them do the circumcision.

I didn't have to. I chose to. Yeah, you got to watch something like that. You were you going to say that? You watched circumcision on your daughter? No. I would watch. I would definitely be like what's going on here.

It's fucking bonkers, dude. Did you watch? I did. I didn't want to, but I did. I know. It's like pretty bloody. I was like... My kid didn't cry for like minutes.

Me neither. Really? Or mine neither. Yeah. Dude, it was the first time they gave him a pacifier. They put a little sugar on it. Oh, yeah. Same here.

He didn't make a fucking sound. I was like, this is genius. And they're like, don't do this at home. You're like, I'm doing this every night. It'll be like the fucking dog eventually. Just begging for food. Give me a sugar pass to fire. We only do this here to make our lives easier

because we don't like loud noises. You shouldn't do it. Exactly. You've got to wear it. All right, so I think it's time for a little What's in the News. What's in the news? What is in the news?

What is in the news? What is in the news? I'll tell you. I'll tell you. My favorite thing that's in the news, is scientists have found a new species. That's cool. That's always good. One. Insect. Two. No, no. 30.

30 new species? 30 potentially new species at the bottom of the sea. So researchers from UK's Natural History Museum used an ROV to collect specimens from the abysmal planes of the... And I don't know what this is, by the way. Hang on. They're not abysmal. They're abyssal. Abyssal. Wow. I said abysmal, didn't I? Yeah, abysmal. I mean, they might be abysmal.

You haven't been there. Why do you hate the Clarion Clipperton zone so much? It might be terrible. You don't know. They're from out of space. You wouldn't want to live there. Yeah. It's abysmal.

Out of space, baby. From the Clarion Clipperton zone in the Central Pacific. So they sent down an ROV. They started digging up stuff. And of the 55 specimens that they collected, 30 of them are potentially new species. That's unbelievable. Now, what are we talking about? Sort of like a big,

big mammals and stuff? No, we got fish, slugs, a lot of invertebrates, but erroneous, irrelevant, it doesn't matter. I think the fact that we can do anything anymore and go down, I mean, whatever they were at, 4,000, nearly 5,000

meters. Wow, that's insane. That's like 17,000 feet. Yeah. That is crazy. That's a couple miles. Also, how's that not a show? How's that not a show? Like, I know. That should be a show. Like, let's just go to the bottom of the ocean and find new animals all the time. Would you like to, would you like to know why it's not a show?

Yes. What if, what if they don't find any? We just don't think they'll find anything. Right. Right. Yeah. That's why. Did you guys watch? That's crazy. So three miles, sorry Peter, but three miles under the ocean, they, I can't even believe we can get an ROV that. No, it's unbelievable. Also, all the ROVs that I'm familiar with, because we've used ROVs a lot, have a cable, which means they have a three-mile tethered electronic cable. It's impossible. Can't be done.

They have to. There's no other way. Dude, it's fucking wild. How much pressure would that be? That would be like thousands of pounds of pressure trying to just squish this ROV down there. I was going to Google it, but it would be a disaster. You could pat's math it.

But there's some cool pictures. One of those things kind of looks like a cuddlyfish type thing. What the fuck is that thing? Some kind of selp or sort of a, I'm guessing it's an anemone of kind. I don't know. It's pretty cool looking. But I think it's amazing. I just think that like the fact that in today's day and age, you could be like, hey, we're just going to put this little machine down here. Oh, 30 new species. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. Not one or two. Like, it's cool to find one new species in an area that's been overlooked, but like 30? Well, you know, you and I are constantly sometimes together, sometimes not pitching different networks. We're going to go look for something in this place. Yeah. that really, and you have to do so much work to make them believe that there could be stuff there because literally no one goes and looks because it's really hard. Right, right. It's like any time someone just goes to a place that people really haven't been,

they generally find new stuff. No question. No question. And it's like, you know, or especially when you're looking for land animals, it's like, hey, the locals all describe this thing that doesn't match up with what we know to live in this area. No one goes there because of X, Y, and Z. Right.

Let's go look. And just people just don't believe that you're going to find anything. They don't believe you. They don't believe any part of it. They're like, you can't go there. Nobody can do that. The locals are wrong. It's just negative, negative, negative.

It's literally, that's how we, that's how I am about everything. Like, oh, no, I can't do that. That's like, it doesn't matter what it is. And that's like, that's a common human, human feature because, like, whoever did the 980 in skateboarding, when you do like a 9-80. Nobody could do it for years and years and years and years. And then he did it.

And then people started being able to do it. It's like a weird fucking thing. See, and maybe this has something to do with the whole lack of amygdala. I am the polar opposite. You want to be the first. You want to be the first to do it. It's not that I want to be the first. I'm just like, yeah, of course I can do it.

Like, I'll figure it out. It doesn't matter what it is. Like, oh, go to the Rio Apoporous region. Remember that's filled with cartel members? Like, yeah, yeah, we can do that. But it's niche, it's based on niche. Like, I wouldn't, if I said assemble this computer, you would, you would never do it. I wouldn't even show up.

Exactly. No chance. And you say, I want to go find the Rio App poor. Peter, you want to come with? No, absolutely not. Can you build a computer? Yeah, of course. I've built all my computers.

Like with all the little doohickeys and switchboards and whatnot? The motherboard, yes, and the processor. Yeah, all of it. No doohickeys. It's funny. There are certain things. where I'm like, it's not a possibility. Like there's no possible way

I can do that task. Right. Like, there was a show that I'm working on now where like it's kind of a competition thing. Yeah. And one of the, there's something called a challenge producer. Uh-huh.

And they just, it's literally producers. They just write challenges. Just think of challenges. It takes a lot of work. Fun job. And I can't believe how creative these people are. They're really good at it. I bet.

But one of the challenges is they get to this thing and they have to choose between, if they did something correctly before, they'll have ropes and carabiners with them. Right. Okay. If not, there's going to be ropes there, but they're going to be tied into like a horrific knot.

Oh, yeah. It takes you like 30 minutes to get undone. Yeah. And like I'm getting anxiety just thinking about it now. Yeah. Because even if there was $10 million on the line, I would just say, take me home. I'm done.

I know for a fact, I couldn't get a knot on. done. Dude, I watch a lot of Big Brother. This season's been especially good. Time out. Big Brother's still a thing?

Dude, 24th season, 24 years. And is it still? They just have cameras in a house and people are just locked in and like, he has been on Big Brother since the day we met. Yeah, before him. I could have sworn

that that show got canceled 22 years ago. Now there's one in like every country. It's gotten horrible, I would say. The last few years have been terrible. This season is the best one I've seen in 10 years. probably. Anyways, about the challenges, they do these puzzles,

right? Where it's like, you have to, the last one I saw, you go up a, like, your, your partner has to pull you on like a system up a rope by running this way and you have to grab a puzzle piece on this double-sided puzzle.

I'm just like, I wouldn't, I would just quit. I would just quit. I would, I couldn't never do it. I would just be so frustrated. Yeah, any sort of like thing like that or like a slide puzzle. Have you ever seen those? Oh, my God.

The pieces around and slide into place. Why? Why do that? It's interesting how everyone's brain's different because there'll be like a math thing. Yeah. But I'm very good at math. And I'll say it to my wife. I'll be like, hey, if it's 3.12 p.m.,

what's the angle between the hour hand and the minute hand? Right. And that stuff's fun for me to do. And she's like, give me a billion years. I'm not doing that. She's like, please go back to your office and leave me alone. Yeah. You should give her one of the fucking Pat's math questions that are literally worse than that one.

She's like, the guy that I'm banging on the side is way more fun. He's not giving me math quizzes. Well, that's what way now. He doesn't run out of his office with a math quiz for me once an hour. That stuff doesn't come out until you're married, do you? You'd never. All right, I got another news piece. Ready for this headline?

I'd like to just hear the headline and then guess what the story is, please. Okay. Monkey gang member has been executed by authorities. Okay. That's it. That's the whole story. Do we need to read the story? Nope.

Monkey gang member? That's the headline. I could see this. I mean, they run in packs. What do you can see this? They run in packs and they, they're thieves, man. What about that monkey that stole your phone out in fucking, the macaque? You said it.

But sorry. Okay. Yes. Monkeys are thieves. but the fact that the authorities are executing a leading gang member well so it's known that monkeys are pack

can be pack animals right and they're called troops who who decided like this troop is a gang they have crossed over from troop to gang I don't have the answer to any of them that would be something Donald Trump would have done yeah it is very this is from Japan this story Yeah, so the monkey gang has been harassing civilians in Yagab something, Japan.

Okay, the troop. Yamaguchi. Sorry, Yamaguchi, Japan. And they're macaques, macaques, as I say, apparently. And there's been something like 50 attacks that have taken place in Yamaguchi. So it's a lot of people are getting attacked by monkeys. By gangs of monkeys, too. By gangs of monkeys.

That's fine. Truths. Okay, well, it's not fine, but that's happening. Right, right. The question is, how did they pick the monkeys? this member of this supposed organization of monkeys in which they decided to be executed.

I know how they... And under what situation were they like, you, sir, you're the godfather. He had a swastika tatted on his forehead. Jesus Christ. No, what I think is that... You're like, that's the bad guy, I can tell. He's the leader.

Apparently, the monkeys were like fighting and scratching people, but they're also breaking... They're pulling fucking B&Es. They're breaking... They're opening, sliding doors. Breaking windows, mate. They're breaking windows. They even broke into a kindergarten and stole all the kids' fucking little goldfish treats.

Yep. Right? This was true. So the authorities are going. They have their little notepad. And can you describe what the leader looked like? They're like, yeah, it's monkey-like and gray fur. Three foot tall.

Yeah. Did it have a red face, ma'am? Yes, it did. Okay. This is the same description we got from the kindergarten. Let's kill them. And then they just went out and killed them. the first one they found.

Oh, so you're saying it's a facade. They're doing that so that the general populace goes, oh, okay, they got the kingpin. Yeah, you either kill the entire troop or none of them. Yeah, that's a good point. If you're trying to have an actual solution, I think they were just like, we killed the leader, they're going to fuck off now.

So let me ask you this. How much organized monkey crime has taken place in this situation? Dude, it's 50 attacks. 50 attacks, and does that include the B&Es? I mean, imagine if someone was home when they were breaking into the house to get killed. I feel like I shouldn't find this funny and I find it very funny. Yeah, you're definitely going to get some hate. That's fine.

It's hilarious. Like what? I mean, is it hilarious they killed a monkey? No. Is it hilarious that they're describing it as a gang and that they killed the leader? Yes, it's preposterous. The leader. But it is interesting that monkeys have the cahones to basically like,

Like your son. Yeah. Go after humans. And, I mean, do the, they don't see humans as a threat. They, like, they seem as an equal. And then they probably, like, are rating. Like, well, I could take that one because he's the same size as me or smaller, right? Yeah, they're all fired up.

They're in a troop. They're exhibiting this behavior. Yeah, it's mob mentality. They're exhibiting this behavior. And they're succeeding, right? If you do 50 attacks and you're, there's obviously positive reinforcement coming to. There you go. And what I mean by that is they're obviously getting their beers and

getting their candies and everything else, right? So they're being, even though nobody's directly doing it, nobody's contributing to it. They're being positively reinforced. If they exhibit this behavior, they get something good out. Do you think a deal could be struck with the gang monkeys where they, the humans put, like, banana bunches out in the woods to keep them away? Like, it could legit work. This is a controversial thing that you're saying.

Do you know that? No. So let me explain. If you are doing that, you're altering their behavior, right? Like now you're feeding them, which by the way, they're breaking into houses and attacking people. Not going to argue with you one bit. I'm on your team of this controversial side, by the way.

You're a team? God damn it. Yeah. But this is controversial, right? Because now you're feeding them, you're altering what they're doing. Sure. In order to give them a benefit. And people will say, no, you can't do that because all you're going to do is encourage them even more and then they're going to do, there's going to be more monkeys,

they're going to breed more. There's going to be more breaking and entering. I don't agree with that. And I'll tell you why. They're going to be blackmail gang monkeys. Let me explain something else to you here. Okay. You guys know I had that bear problem in my house, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Episode 94 maybe for anybody watching the ones to hear about it, they've been breaking in my house. There's a big drought in Southern California right now, right? Always, shocker. Yeah. So we'll release this on the Patreon.

I'll send you the video, Kyle. So I went out and I bought a stock tank, which is like a big plastic drum that you feed cows with. Yeah. And I wired up a hose. from my yard into the neighbor's property. Neighbor doesn't know about this. I'm sure they don't watch.

The neighbor has 40 acres and died about six years ago and nobody bought it. So it's wildland. And I wired the hose from my house into the neighbor's property. I took this drum and I put a float on it so that every time it goes down, the water fills it back up and it stays at a full level. I put that out there and we have not had the bear come by once since. Wait. Wow.

Is there food in it? No food. I think, my theory, is that the bear was coming in to get water because we have ponds and things and then seeing the chickens and the ducks and going, oh, fuck, yeah, free meal. But now...

Interesting, okay. That's still scared. The bear's still scared. He doesn't really want to be there. He doesn't like it, but he's coming in, my opinion was, because there was water and it was a drought. And he was willing to risk his own life.

Yeah. And then once he's there, he sees food and, you know, he's a bear. Sure. But so I took the stock tank and built this float valve system like 150 yards from my house. We haven't seen the bear, once since then. What did the bear kill on your property again?

All of our ducks. So eight ducks. Baby chicken, which was my son's pet chicken that used to hang out on his shoulder and eat breakfast with them. Oh, and then about four other chickens. So I just saw in the news that Martha Stewart,

the, you know, the queen of like home stuff, we all know Martha Stewart. Yep. Devastated because her three prize peacocks were killed. at her house. She lives in the northeast somewhere. Yep. By bears?

Coyotes. Coyotes. Yep. Well, no, that would be a treat. Yeah, I was just going to say, Forrest has got a slight grin on it. It's funny because I was talking to my friend about it. Speaking of red face. And I was like, man, I'm surprised she wasn't thrilled, but apparently she was devastated. She obviously lives in a nice enough and large enough house and property that every time she's recording a podcast that doesn't go, Baha!

Baha! Bia! They're like a football field away. She takes like a golf cart over there to like look at them. I'm considering tying my peacocks to the stock tank outside the property. I was actually going to ask you, though, about the monkey thing. Yeah. You know, a pack of wolves has an alpha. People who know wolf behavior or canid behavior can look at the wolves and say who the alpha female is.

They can say who the alpha male is. Do monkey troops have like a leader? So different for different species. And these are macaques of some sense. Yeah, I forget which species of maca they have in Japan. Fusaka, I think. Maccata. Fuscata.

Yeah, there it is. Yeah, different for different types of monkeys and definitely different for apes. But the short answer is yes, they have troop leaders. Oftentimes they're matriarchal. It's a big female. I don't know about these macaques in specific, but there would be a leader for sure. So maybe that's what the authorities did. Maybe they took out the leader, but that wouldn't do anything because then just whoever's next in line will become the leader, right?

Potentially, but the leader of a troop of monkeys would dictate what their behavior is. So he would be the one that would lead them into a house or whatever, typically. Sure. But now let me ask you this. Is it all just a, is it a ruse? Is that not the real kingpin monkey? Because if I was at the head of the gang, I would have a stand-in for sure. Of course.

And they all look kind of look at the same, right? They're all macaques. Except for the one who had the swastity. I see what you're saying. Right, the guy behind the guy is the one you got to worry. That's what I'm saying. So they euthanize this gang leader monkey, and I'm talking about putting bunches of bananas to keep them away.

Like you put the water out there or whatever. So, I mean, you're impacting its natural activities anyways. I'm saying that if they took, I don't know what their resources are. If I was in this situation where this town is now probably feared people don't want to visit, it's probably creating a big media problem. Sure. I would pay somebody full time to take bushels of bananas and put them on like platforms or something sort of out in the woods away from town.

Right. And I believe, my belief, again, this is controversial all night, but I stand by it, is that those monkeys would understand the difference and go, okay, if we stay out here, we're not harassed by people, we get food, we don't have to come into town. Now, you could still initiate some negative reinforcement, right? Go around with a BB gun and shoot a monkey in the butt every time you see it in town. Yeah. Right. I'm not saying kill it and doesn't have paintball gun. Use whatever, right?

Sure. But give it negative reinforcement so they go, over here is good with food. Over here is bad with people. Right. And if you did that over a course of a couple weeks, I would be willing to wager that it would resolve the problem. There's a certain percentage of people listening who are probably mad at us right now thinking the solution is don't build cities. Well, I was just going to say, yeah. But that's not practical. The city's already been built. Unfortunately, humans reproduce too much. We've taken over the monkey space.

You know, the three of us on this podcast aren't fixing that, neither is the city of Yamaguchi, Japan. They're not just going to go, you know what, everyone, the monkeys were here first. Well, they did kind of do that once in Japan, didn't they? Did they? Didn't they do? Oh, no, China, where they did controlled birth? Oh, yes. Remember they limited kids?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. One child policy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's at, and then it was at two. And now they're underpopulated. China's underpopulation? Well, no, their population is declining. Is declining.

Oh, interesting. The population of Japan is, regardless. Japan's declining. Yes, they're an old populace, and they're not reproducing as much as they used to. There's a shocking, and I swear I must have brought this up at some point, but there's an insane amount of 30-year-old virgins in Japan. So there actually, there have been like some public policies to encourage people to have sex. Which is bizarre given, like, if you think of Japan, you think of like dildo vending machines and like, hello kitty sex cults and like, you're right. I think there's a lot of sexual tension.

in Japan. So a lot of things are sexualized, and I think it's possibly because of this fact. You know, I've thought about that myself. I think we should send young Kyle to Japan on a sex quest. Sex quest. He's a young man. He's single.

He's all about dildo vending machines. He's told me that in confidence several times. I think the wild time should send young Kyle to Japan on a sex quest. No, I mean, it's my favorite country. I love Japan. I've still never been. My wife said the same. It is awesome.

Loves it. Clean as fuck. High tech. Just easy to get around. Everybody's respectful. Oh, it's the only place I've ever been because you walk around on the map in Tokyo. And anyone who sees you with the map comes over and tries to help you. Yeah, that's what you say. It's amazing. You're like, oh, like, this is a way that a society could be?

Totally. Like, whereas instead of, like, if you're walking around with a map in Hollywood, someone's going to club you over the head and take your wallet. Oh, I got a story. You guys want a story about getting clubbed and whatnot? Oh, yeah. This isn't about seals getting close. Jesus. My niece just graduated from UCLA.

When did the way I graduate? June. Is that when graduation was? May? May. And she's been globe-trotting as one does after graduating college. And she went to City College for a couple years. So she's like 22, I'd say. So she's a little bit older than your standard college graduate.

Yeah. She's been globe-trodding. Your standard collared graduate. Is that what I said? I think so. Okay. and she, her mom met up with her in the UK somewhere, my aunt, and they were going to go to Africa.

My family's all from Africa, as everybody knows. And so they're going to go to Johannesburg first and then see some friends there and then move on and go to Zimbabwe in a few other places. So yesterday, call it 10 PMR time, my niece and aunt land in Johannesburg. Okay, they get in the car, they go straight to some vista that my aunt used to

go to when she was in college there to show my niece. To see the city lights. Yeah, something like that. I didn't get the details on that part, but this is where I did get the details. They get out of the car. They take their phones out to take a picture. My aunt gets struck in the side of the mouth with a back of a gun instantly. Jesus.

And a gun put to the back of her head, and the guy says, hand over your phone. My aunt hands over her phone. Another guy puts a gun to my niece's head and says, give me your cell phone. And my niece, Sable, says, I don't have my phone with me. I don't have my phone with me. So they go to the car, they open up the car, and they start rummaging through. They take their suitcases. They take everything.

Wow. And they leave them there. My aunt's bleeding and whatnot. And my niece told me all this story at like 11 o'clock last night. And they didn't get everything out of the car because somebody showed up or a group of people showed up. And they fled. And they ran with both cell phones. They got my niece's phone out the car.

Right. My cousin's phone out of the car and my aunt, her phone. a couple bags or whatever and they run. My aunt's got like bleeding. She's not badly hurt, but she's not... Yeah. Also, it's just like mentally victimized like that's awful. They've been in the country for 45 minutes, right?

Jeez. And they go straight to the police station. Yeah. The police go, nothing we can do. Like, don't waste your time. Fuck off, basically. Like the LA cops were. Did their passports get taken?

No, they didn't. Fortunately. I don't know where they were. She didn't mention that, but they didn't lose their passports. But this is where the story, and I'm proud of my cousin. She's a 22-year-old girl from some. Southern California. You know, she's not exactly, and she's pretty well traveled, but she's not like someone that you would think would do what she just, which I'm about to tell you. Yeah.

So they go to their friend's house. They finally get there after this long shitty day, right, in their rental car. And, uh, and my, my cousin goes on her laptop or goes on the family's computer. Yeah. And does find my iPhone. Wow. And they see that the, her iPhone is at an electronic shop like three miles away. So they go back to the police station. My cousin reports this the same policemen that were there before and the police go, uh, you know, we don't know, we don't know. African police, I won't get into that. They're like LA cops. They're just the laziest. Like, they're just like, they're like, what do you want us to do? Yeah, they don't care. Yeah. And so my cousin loads four police officers in the rental car, my 22 year old cousin,

my aunt's back at the house. It's just my cousin. Loads four police officers with AK-47s into her rental car, drives them to the electronics shop. They go in after yelling and back and forth. And it's just my cousin in downtown Johannesburg with four police officers. And as she described, like, 40 other people, you know, that she never met before in her life. And she's this, like, skinny little white girl. Wow. And she's completely by herself with all of these, these people in Johannesburg. Yeah. And after 45 minutes of yelling and haggling and guns being pulled out, they got their phones back. She dropped the police station off, drop the police back at the police station and went back to the house. That is fucking crazy. See, it's, it's hilarious because you could

never do something like that in America. No. Like, if the cops don't want to help you, they're not going to help you out there. They're like, at least they were probably like, she paid them all. She paid them. Okay, okay. Which you can do there. The dollar. The dollar. I think she gave each cop 40 bucks or something. But, you know,

she was like, I don't care about my phone. She's like, that has all the photos on it that I've been traveling with for the last like two months. Oh, wow. She needs an I cloud backup, mate. You don't have that? No, I have a Google backup because I have an Android. iPhones. I saw today that Google That's crazy though, man.

Crazy. That's wild stuff. I saw today that Google is pressuring somehow, I don't know how, pressuring Apple to get rid of the the green bubble. Oh, interesting. Yeah, they're like... I'm sure they are.

It's literally just a thing that's there to make... To ostracize yalls. Yes, exactly. Well, y'alls from yalls. It does make me furious. Yeah, it's insane. dude. It's ridiculous. By the way, when...

The small videos, too. Peter has an Android will never have an iPhone. I'm going to buy an iPhone. I'm an iPhone. When I heart or exclamation point something that you have sent, do you see it? I do now. I didn't before. What does it do? Do you get the little heart similar? So now it does. Before it would send

a thing that says Patrick liked this thing or whatever. Interesting. I've always wondered that. Kyle, do you have an iPhone? Any more Android questions, fellas? I could tell you want to know. Let me ask you this. why Android why have you done this for so many years?

I've used Android since the get-go and it's because I'm an under the... No, it's not, well, that, but I'm also an under-the-hood guy. I like to be able to download what you might say, gray area things that aren't available on iPhone. On the dark way. Porn. Porn. He's saying porn.

You're using your Ethereum on the... Manero, mate. Manero. Dude. Can I ask you this while we're on the... topic. Wait, hold on, real quick. Before we move on, what would you do in that situation in South Africa? Cry? Would you have, you wouldn't have, like, you wouldn't have tried to do anything? I think I would have done exactly what my cousin did. I mean, you don't fight back. No, you can't fight back. You buy yourself and there's guns and you don't fight back.

God, it would be so infuriating. Here's the difference. How I could go on. My cousin is 22, so she knows how to do find my iPhone. I don't know how to do it. I don't either. So I probably wouldn't have done the same thing she did. I would have gotten to the house and been like, what an ordeal, like, how much booze do you have? Yeah, yeah, that's probably what that would do. And is there a store open? And where can I buy a new phone?

Well, this basically happened to Pat the other day. You're telling me the story about the homel... The unhoused person at the park who was just throwing people's shit around the park and, like, being insane, and the cops just didn't do anything. Well, I don't want a bad mouth of police officers. No, no, I'm not saying, but they came out and they didn't... You know, it's like they, they, I'm not getting into that whole thing.

I'm just saying, though. It's like you're victimized, though. And it feels like shit. It's just like a horrible feeling. When we, Forrest and I traveled to, we landed in Kilimanjaro Airport. I can't remember where we were going next, but we were, you know, we had to take all our shit out because we were going to a hotel to sleep before our flight in the morning. Yep.

And at the airport of Kilimanjaro, there's hundreds and hundreds of people outside that are jockeying to grab your bags to help you carry. Right. To help you carry your bags to get a tip. Yeah. Which is cool, you know, fine. Right. And so we, you know, Forrest is like, don't let anyone carry the bags. Just, you know, what were you saying to them?

Like bugger off? Bugger off. Bugger off. It's like a CD guy. It's like the African fuck off. Yeah, yeah. It's like bugger off. So, you know, Forrest is helping kind of keep, because we have like 40 cases of,

right. We have five reds and all this shit. Yep. Expensive. You know, but it's a cluster fuck. We get all our gear in. I sit in the car and my iPhone's gone. And it was just,

I was wearing. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, I'm an idiot, my fault. And I just kind of was like, okay. Like, this is cool. Like, I'm going to be in Africa for a month without a phone. That's kind of nice.

The funniest part of that's... Taking the experience instead of taking the photos, like, I'll just get a new phone when I get back. And then I got back to L.A. And I had gone through this awakening. Oh, God. That I was just going to get a dumb phone. Yeah, I remember that.

I was about to tell that story. And the third day, I went with no phone for two days in L.A. And then the third day, I just, like, woke up in a panic and went straight to the store. I need an iPhone. Yeah. The best part about that is how insufferable Patrick became on that trip. Because, like, every couple days, you'd be like, you guys should try it. Just like get rid of your phones.

Oh, God. I'm so free without my phone. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, someone would be taking a picture. I was like, what's that? Yeah. Yeah, I don't do phones.

I don't even have a phone. He's so insufferable about it. I love how you're trying to play it off like you weren't, like, you weren't. Like you really, really embrace it. You weren't pissed. I always try these things, man. I tried. I convinced myself that I didn't need a car or want one.

Yeah, I remember you talking about that. California? Yeah, and I turned in my lease. I was like, I'm just not going to have a car. Wow. Things own you, man. You don't own the things. And so I went like two months of just Ubering

and then, like, got stuck out in Santa Clarita on a shoot one night. With a 90-minute wait for an Uber that was $700 to get you home. Didn't work. I mean, it is annoying because it's like something could be, it could be something you don't use all the time or like a lot of the time. But when you don't have it that one or two times a month, it's so fucking inconvenient. Agreed.

And you're just like, no, I'll pay the $600 a month to have the second car in L.A. or whatever, you know? Yeah, at the end of the day, I have way more good years behind me in life than I have in front of me. True? We all do. That's not Kyle. 40 hard years. Kyle is on Cloud 9, dude. He's freshly single.

He's on the way out. He's going to Japan for a sex quest. Yeah, he's got it all figured out. No, he's not. He's going to Vietnam. Kyle, how's the, what's the lady situation? How's that going? Pretty non-existent.

Do we have a camera on Kyle? No camera. No camera today. Yeah, it's not happening. Are you on Tinder? It's not happening. Ging, have you been out there playing the field? No, I'm just pretty much working.

Yeah. Well, also, where do you live? You live out in like Norlo, walk or something? Corona. Okay. So my... Corona's got ladies.

Forest is currently setting up a Tinder profile for you. I am. Yeah, it's nice. Can we please? Oh, can we please? Sure. On the...

Yeah. We might need to do that. That'd be really funny. We'll do that on 102. Can I be the swiper? All right. I think it's time. Okay.

For something that we like to call the Bazaar animal of the week. Oh, yeah. B-O-T-W-A-P-X-W. Okay, Forrest, how does this work? I don't know what you just said. This is the bizarre animal of the week. So, I will go through, I will read off clues.

I will give you guys clues. And you can tell me, we can try and guess what the animal is. Okay. All right. I love this idea. Let me reference what I've got jotted down here. Okay, here we go. We cannot see the name of the animal.

No, I know. I know. Only Forrest. Right. there. Don't cheat. All right. I'm not even looking.

Here we go. You can't cheat. You can't cheat. I know it. You got it. You can't cheat. All right. Known cheater.

This is the bizarre animal of the week. So your first clue, this very interesting animal, found in the tropics. Nice tropical area. Clownfish. Mosquito. All right. Well, and that's the end of the podcast. It's the clownfish mosquito.

It's the clownfish mosquito. Yeah. A clownskego. The tropics. Okay. Found in the tropics. Very rarely seen. I seldom seen.

Not something people see on a regular basis. Lives underground. sounds like a mole rat. Okay. Naked. Cold-blooded. Ooh. Cold-blooded animal.

It's in the reptile family. Very good. Or amphibians. They're mainly found in and around small streams. It's definitely got to be an amphibian then. It might be. This is an aqua-fibian. Okay.

Ready? Okay. I'm going to start getting a little more cluey now. Okay. They have thick scales used for protection. Lizard or snake? We're narrowing it down here. Okay.

Yeah? All right. Same page. But what if I told you this? It has a fully prehensile tail. I don't know what prehensile means. Really? But I feel this.

It's like when you can, like this is prehensile. Like you use it as a finger. Yes. They can do that with their tails? They can, how do you know what prehensile means? Google the definition of prehensile. They can grab? Like you mean they can like grab.

Like an appendage. It's not just a floppy. It's like a finger. So it's like a finger. Let's see. Capable of grasping. Capable of grasping. A double of grasping is the definition.

I honestly didn't know what the definition of preensile was either. I just knew they could use it. I just didn't know how to articulate that. I taught you something. So it has a prehensile tail, but I don't, aren't there quite a few lizards that have prehensile tails? Are there? I thought so. And scales.

And scales. Very good. Very good. They are the only extent, meaning currently living, member of their family. Okay. Still thinking lizard. You can't get me off it right now. Okay.

They are only found in the tropics on the island of Borneo. Okay. It's the Borneo lizard. It is, is that the last clue? I got one more. Okay. I'm going to get this. Their scientific name means hidden ear.

If you translate their Latin name to English, it means hidden ear. It's the Borneo dick lizard. I think that's a good guess. I'm going to go with, this is the, this is, is the Bornean blue-tongued skink. I mean, you're both, we could have done better with this.

You're both right there. It is a lizard. It's in Borneo. It's a very, very cool animal. One I would actually love to keep. Our bizarre animal of the week is the earless monitor lizard. Check this thing out.

Absolutely amazing looking prehensile-tailed. It's very dragon-like. Dude, totally looks like a dragon. Isn't that an incredible animal? Wow. Show the face that. How big is that? Like a foot.

Okay. Yeah. That's beautiful. Beautiful blue eyes. Beautiful animal. Very strange. They were totally, like nobody knew anything about them. And then in the last like six years, they've blown up in the pet trade.

Oh, really? I swear to God it's because of Game of Thrones because they look just like the dragons in Game of Thrones. Yeah, they really do. They did. Look at that picture. Go one over, cow, one to that way, that way right there. Yeah. That looks exactly like Colise's little shoulder dragon.

100%. And it's the blue eyes. The scales are so cool looking, dude. Aren't they amazing? Can these breathe fire? They do. They do. Yeah, it's a fact. Okay.

I kind of want one. Dude, I want one too. And unfortunately, they're an animal that has been sort of victimized by the pet trade because Borneo, no regulation. So they've just scooped them all up. So I'm not getting one for now until I know that they're like being bred in captivity. But I don't know, just super cool animals. Hey, it's amazing.

If there was like some vigilante type guy or girl or, were they that decided to go and break into houses and free, collect all the Bornean, uh, what's the fearless monitors that were in captivity and brought, when the plan was to bring them back to Borneo and free them back into their natural habitat to repopulate it. Yeah. But while they're there, they also like rifled through like the ladies underwear drawers and like stole some like cash. Naturally. Yeah. Would, would, would, most people be rooting for them or against them? I'm for it. That's like a robin hood. You're, you're looting, like you're robbing from the rich. If you're, if you're breaking in

to steal back the earless monitors, it's okay to rifle through a panty draw and take some cash. It's okay. Like, these are already shitty people, except for me, if I have one. Don't do it. Leave my panties. Well, I think that should be the key takeaway of podcast 101. Yep. Is what Forrest just said. These are Forrest's views. Nobody else? collective. We all feel this way. If you know anybody with an odd pet, break into their house,

rifle through their underwear and steal their cash. Gotta do it. That's the take. Gotta do it. We love you guys. Awkward. Good night.

Showing a lot of thigh. There's a white ring there. It's very, very pale. Also, why are your shorts so far back? This is a very uncomfortable position. You're seeing quite a bit of bulge. Are you trying to sun?

your upper thighs in stores. All right, fuck off. All right. We love you guys.