Wild Times: Wildlife Education - TWT #49 Recorded Live - Big Extinct or Alive Update & Neil Waters Thylacine Drama

Episode Date: March 15, 2021

Join us for episode 49 recorded live with millions of brosteners tuning in! Pat and Forrest talk about the future of Extinct or Alive. The brofessor addresses Neil Waters and the Thylacine Awareness Group of Australia trying to censor criticism by abusing copyright laws, and much much more!  You don't want to miss it! Watch/Listen anywhere @ http://thewildtimespodcast.com/info Join our amazing Discord community of wildlife & adventure enthusiasts @ http://wildtimes.club We love you (Except you, Neil Waters)!

And we are back. We are live with the Wild Times, episode 49. Wild Times. We have nearly done 50 episodes of this incredible show. And tonight, ladies and gentlemen, Browsoners, we are going live. We are talking to the fans. We're here on YouTube. The comments are rolling in, most of them about Papa Pee being late.

Who is here? He's punctual. He looks good. He looks fresh. He looks well-rested. He was not here last week because he was on a shoot. How are you, Patrick? Where were you?

I'm good, man. I was not anywhere too exotic. I was just in the mountains of Utah. Oh, very much. Doing some filming for a show for the Discovery Channel. Very beautiful, but very beautiful. North eastern Utah is gorgeous, man. Right on.

Super dramatic landscapes. Yeah, what the hell were you doing? I saw you playing with a, why were you playing with a, Falcon in Salt Lake City yesterday. I went to meet with my main clothing sponsor, Cool, and the guys over there and talked to them about this upcoming year and collaborations and stuff like that. And they're super cool. We went out for an incredible dinner and then got pretty drunk and it was like 1130 at night, my buddy Mani, who I've known for a while. And I kind of knew he was into falconry, but never done anything with him was like, hey man, you want to go fly the bird

tomorrow? And I'm like, uh-huh, all drunk. He's like, okay, I'll pick you up at five, which at 1130 at night hammered sounded like a super good idea. And it was a rough morning because we were pretty hung over, but we had a blast. We hiked around the snowy mountains, flew his Harris Hawk, chased some rabbits. It was, it was awesome. Wow. Yeah. So what does he actually use the hawk for? Hunting. He's a full-on falconer. He goes hunting for quail and rabbits. He's done golden eagles. He's done red tails. And now he's got this Harris Hawk named Rosie. And she is an absolute beaut. Just a super cool. So Harris Hawks, they call them the wolves of the sky. They're one of the only social birds of prey.

So, like, if you get a golden eagle and you do falconry with it or a redtail or something like that, they're kind of pissed off the whole time. They don't really want to have anything to do with you. They just go and fly and get stuff. And people who are into falconry are going to be like, you're an asshole. That's not true. But that's my understanding of it. And then the Harris Hawks, because they're social, they're like these pack hunters, like wolves of the sky.

Like, if you don't hold something up for them to sit on, they'll just like sit on your head. Be like, hey, buddy, where are we going? What are we doing? Nice. Nice. Yeah. All right. What about the other guy? Who's this other guy?

Yeah. Hey, middle man. I'm just sitting here waiting for my intro. Were you guys talking? It's coming. We were just catching up. I haven't talked to Patrick in like five days. That's a long time for us. Okay.

Why don't you relax? It's true. It's true. You on the other hand, Mr. Professor, I've talked to every day. How are you? We're going to tap? I'm good. I think that's my introduction.

Just over here trying to manage these comments. Somebody already called me a potato. People are trying. They're bashing me. They're saying my hairline looks strange. I literally put a hat on because of that comment. Matt McHugh is all over me for being late, even though I was on time. Have you guys heard about this thing? So a buddy of mine got out of med school, and he's not a full-on doctor yet, but he does a residency at, I think it's a dermatology plastic surgery place, but I'm not really sure. Plastic surgery. Anyway, he was telling me that plastic surgery has gone bananas during COVID, because everybody,

sits on Zoom all day looking at their flaws. And he's like, people come in and, you know, like I'm signing them in and they're like, oh, you see how my eyedroops over here? Like, I got to get rid of that. Like, you see how my nose is a little bit skew? Like, it's all because they're a screenshot of the Zoom in. Yeah, because they're all staring at themselves on Zoom all day long. And they're, they're seeing nothing but they're imperfections. Oh, wow. I mean, it's been, we've been doing this a while, so I've gotten used to it. But it used to be very distracting. And I always wanted, like, a feature where I could turn my camera off in time. entirely when I was video chatting.

It's super distracting. To see yourself? Occasionally when I'm on with my girlfriend, I just switch. So I'm looking at myself and kind of like smiling at myself. Yeah, dude, of course. By the way, if you're on a Zoom, you always know which box is the person looking at themselves? Because it's the one they're mostly looking at. Right, right.

You're like, oh, his eyes are always over to the left. Yeah. Totally. That's funny. Well, yeah. This is fun. So number 49, good to do it live. Awesome to see all the people in the chat, all the regulars, plus some new people, Archie

Morkel. I would have recognized that name if he was on before, Archie Morkel. Did you see Owen Roberts comment, though? I mean, you know, talk about a guy who's doing the right thing. He's used the stimulus checks to get a few of his ball sack wrinkles removed. Plastic surgery of the fittest. Congratulations. That a boy.

Yeah. Well, there was a couple things before we get into the live stuff. a couple things that came up this week that were actually in my in my DMs on Instagram which I only do check about once a week but man we the people that listen to this podcast

are super interesting and so like everything I get I'm like these are all fascinating there's a couple I wanted to talk to you about for us yeah please so this one I was not aware of this creature's existence which is terrible considering I produced a show

about extinct animals. Have you heard of the short-faced hyena? I have. I have a big giant hyena. They, were they extinct? Not that long. Like, Pleistocene? I don't remember.

Four thousand years ago. Yeah, that's not that old at all. And they were North American, right? Weren't they a North American creature? Yeah, that I don't know. Shit. Let me check. That's okay.

Yeah, I know what they are. I know they were a giant hyena. They look intimidating as hell. They have, in all the renditions I've seen, they have like tiger stripes for markings, which obviously we don't know whether that was factual or not. And I think they were North America's hyena. I could be wrong. They might have been from somewhere else.

What's it called again? Short-faced hyena? Yeah, like a short-faced bear, the other animal we've talked about, short-faced hyena. Look them up. I don't know if anybody in the comments that's hearing this knows. So they were broadly found throughout Eurasia and Eastern Africa, so all over Europe. Okay, European, not North American. But, dude, a hyena doesn't need much to be more intimidating.

Right. So you're taking a hyena, doubling it in size, and then basically crossing it with a bear. Right. This is one of the coolest things that's ever lived on the planet. It has to be. Yeah, absolutely. And talk about just such an intimidating-looking creature. Oh, yeah.

Why didn't we go, why didn't we do an episode about this just because there's no chance that it's still around? You haven't even heard of it. Yeah. So that'll answer that question for you. Did you guys see, we posted a video on the Instagram a couple days ago, day or two ago, of a guy feeding like a bucket of chicken to, I think it was four or five hyenas that just kept coming up and he was just feeding them. And it's insane. Like we posted, people are commenting like, this guy's dead. But apparently it's like a common thing that is done.

I forget where it was, but they do it regularly. They feed the hyenas by hand. and I was like, that's some wild shit. They do like hyena shows in some places in Africa. It's got to be Africa or Asia. I mean, there's quite a lot of hyenas in India. So when I was a kid, we used to go to this place called Monopools, which is in the Zambi Zambi, where I grew up.

It's where my family had their main part of their safari business. And when we weren't staying at the camps, Monopools had like four or five of these little lodges, like little buildings that you could stay at. And they're incredible. Like you look out over the river, the Zambezi River and the elephants come die right there and they're awesome and whenever we'd go with my grandparents we'd stay there because my grandparents didn't necessarily want to go on safari they just

wanted to spend time with the family and you know fish and all that kind of stuff and one time I was there with my grandpa and my grandpa was already getting getting kind of up there in years and we're out by the barbecue and the sunsets and the barbecue's 25 30 feet from the little cabin right like it's right there. It's like any outdoor barbecue. You know, it's like right outside the door. And we're grilling up all these steaks and Borovos, which is this African sausage that we love, and it smells really good. And I remember my grandpa was like, I'm going to run inside, you know, get the mustard or something like that. And I was great. You know, I'll stay here by the barbecue by myself as a, as a nine-year-old in the African bush. And my grandpa ran inside and he came back outside.

And I hadn't even noticed because I was still picking on the meat on the grill or something. And a whole bunch of hyenas had moved in between the house and the barbecue, literally come like onto the patio, basically. And my grandpa just started like shouting and screaming and waving his arms and making noise and running these flashlights. And the hyenas, first of all, they like ran at me. And then I started yelling and stuff. And then they dispersed.

But I remember to this day that was one of the scariest, like, it was just a flash. Like the whole thing happened in, you know, five seconds. It was like one of those moments. But I just remember looking back at my grandpa yelling and jumping up and down. and like four hyenas running right at me and then dispersing. And it was just, dude. It was so scary as a little kid. Dude, that brings me to a good question that just came in on the live from Harry Starling.

Now, we don't advocate fighting animals, but we have the brain equivalency of a 10-year-old, so we love talking about this shit. It's correct. Harry Starling wants to know, what's the biggest animal that you could beat in a fight? Oof. Reteb, you go first. One-on-one? Like me personally, okay, I'll take it that way.

discussed this actually. I know. It's a great question. Good question. It's a great question. I mean, God, I mean, this is tough. None, really. An animal?

Okay, the biggest animal, I don't even think I could beat up a raccoon, to be honest with you. I'd be terrified. I'm going to go squirrel. No, you don't want to take on a beaver. You'll lose your nipple. Well, I mean, like, Retep would be mine. He's huge, and I know I can win that easily. You can pick another person, dude.

Otherwise, I would have picked a million people. people. What about a baby elephant? Tom Cruise? A baby elephant. No, I don't think so. Hell no. No, I don't think so. Even a newborn outweighs you by like two times at least.

The thing is it's not about the size. It's the athleticism. Like we are useless. Like go for a run with your dog. Run as hard and as far as you can. And then see if when you can't move your legs, your dog will then want to play. Like, you know, and they weigh 60 pounds or 40 pounds.

or 40 pounds or whatever, you know, like, we're useless athletes compared to every single animal on earth, basically. So it's like, I'm thinking I'm like, you know, biggest thing I could beat up is probably, like you're saying a raccoon, Peter, you couldn't even take on? Probably not.

Like, it probably kick your ass. Like, if you tried to, like, fight a raccoon? If it was a straight up fight till death, yeah. With my luck, it would also have rabies. Yeah, of course it would. It would whip you. Ah, geez, that's tough. Yeah, no, mine's like, Mine's probably like Thor, my large rabbit. He's pretty harmless.

Yeah, you could easily smash Thor to bits. Yeah, I think that's about right. Another one that just came in that I'm interested. Before you move, what would you, oh, do you really mean me? You're not really going to pick one, you son of a bitch? No, well, also, that's not true. Definitely not. I'd smash you, mate.

I know you think that, but I would feel real confident. I would feel very, very confident fighting a Galapagos Tourist. Yeah. Okay. And they're huge. You might break your knuckles trying to punch through his shell, but... No, dude, I would just immediately just get him in a figure four scissors. I would take his head.

I put him in between my legs, do some jih Tzu. That's fair. Patrick wins, because that's like a 230-pound animal that Patrick would win against. Yeah, that's fair. Yep. My animal was 12 pounds, so, yep, you win. You're sneaky, Pat. You're definitely a wheeze.

According to the YouTube, live, I am hated by all of the Brozners. Dude, but at least they're not just like ferociously ripping. I've been called it a potato three times. Archie, Archie is just, Archie Morcle, Retep can only fight his addiction to Taco Bell and still loses.

Classic. Ooh, I just got, ooh, a little controversy guys, little controversy in the chat. Dr. Hyena. Always love it when you join Dr. Hyena, not because of anything other than I know that you're a PhD hyena. Has far as seen the Facebook thing,

of Neil roasting him that some Discord Brostners were talking about. Let's talk about this. Fuck Neil Waters. Okay. I have not seen this. I've seen a few screenshots that Retepp and Will have sent me. But Retev, you better take the floor here because you clearly am passionate about this. So if people don't know, we put up a couple videos, one before Neil Waters and the Thylacine Awareness Group of Australia was going to release.

supposed pictures of thylacine, then one, or two more videos after actually reviewing the videos, and Forrest cordially told, you know, more cordially than I would have told, said it, just said that the photos are probably not thylacine. We all agreed. Or just not definitive, not definitive enough. And also, by the way, I went back and re-watched both videos to see what was said. You said numerous times, like this guy is passionate, what he's doing is amazing. He's trying really hard. He's a nice guy. You said a lot of really complimentary things. We just didn't think it was a definitive thylacine. That's all. Dude, by the way, Forrest, you stand by that? Do you see what he... I don't know what's going on.

So yeah, I do right now. Ask me again in three minutes when you're done renting. No. So he, you know, he's, first of all, he, he, what I think is illegally had one of our videos taken off of YouTube. He filed an illegal copyright claim abusing copyright law on a fair use video, which pisses me off when people fucking use the law to censor criticism, which is what he has done. So I had to file an appeal to that, and we're still waiting for that video to go back online. So that first of all happened. And that was after he went on our videos, started commenting, you know, calling us morons, calling you a fraud. This guy... He called for us to Pratt, which is one of my favorite British assaults.

I like him now. To be fair, we are morons, and I am a bit of a pratt. Like my mom still calls me a pratt. So, yeah, I, that's, you know, like, I'm still not convinced that he's that much of an asshole retap. Yeah, he also said, we are morons. He goes, oh, so Forrest has a podcast now with two DJs. Ooh, you guys are two DJs?

That's cool. He's so, he's basically, he's basically saying our opinions are invalid and then going on about how you're a fraud and a phony and all this bullshit. Oh, that's mean. on the comments. And then he files a copyright claim. And then one of the Brosner's posted, I guess, a video reviewing, looking at the photos, which is this fair use.

This is a scientific thing. Of course, it's fair use. He released the photos as news. The reason that fair use exists is so that it allows people to comment on things that are released as news to have commentary. so that one piece of news isn't just stated as fact and then that's it forever. That's what their use is.

Sure. Exactly. As if he had made news by finding the most famous Lazarus taxon in the world. I know. I was super excited. We were allowed to comment on us.

I told everybody to check it out. I was like, let's go. Dude. All right. So, and then, okay, and then finally, Forrest, after that, or so he went on commenting, egregious comments on this dude's video.

He basically said, fuck you, you know, swearing. making like just commenting or to some of this other person? No no on one of the Brosner's videos that he did and it's just laughable dude he has no control I don't know if he's drunk that's my opinion I don't know what's wrong with him

he's not getting enough food even though he looks like he is fuck you Neil Waters anyways my my issue then after that and the thing that they're talking about is that he made a video and posted it to his private group so I haven't

seen it because I'm not in there and but some of the brosters are in there and they've seen the video and it's basically calling you out, calling you a fraud, talking about how your production company or maybe you contacted them looking, trying to pay him to use

one of his photos for the TV show. Yeah, so what? Who the fuck cares? I'm sure we do. We license every sighting image, every extinct animal image we can. Of course we try to pay him. That's what I'm saying.

Like that's what every document series show does. I know. Right. And that's the whole thing. And he's like, you know, That's why, sorry, I'm just trying to understand this. So he hates us because we didn't agree with his opinion of his videos. And I know we maybe made fun of him a little because that's what we do.

And then I'm a fraud because we tried to license his images. That is from my understanding of the situation. And I've been furiously ruminating on this for a week and a half. Yes. So. Oh. Okay. I'm glad that you're so upset, Reteb, because one of us should be.

And unfortunately, it's just done. Dude, he's filing. he's using he's using laws illegally dude it's illegal and YouTube even says it's fair use you have to review it and make sure you're not filing

a takedown notice for fair use before you fucking file it you fuck sorry yeah well look Forrest is very calm because obviously I don't really care you've been called a Pratt

thousands of times by my mom like yesterday I'm sure yeah I just don't like it I also want to say thank you to all the broasters who got our backs on the comments. And by the way, if we're wrong, tell us we're wrong, too. Obviously, in this situation, I feel like we're very reasonable. But I totally appreciate, like, Edwin and all the people who gave it back to Neil

because he's just acting like a proper fucking twat. Dude, and he's unreasonable. But you're a twat, Neil. Yeah. And you guys can continue being reasonable. He's unreasonable. And fuck that, dude. I don't have time for that.

I put up the videos. was like, I protect the YouTube account, and I definitely am not down with people fucking abusing copyright law to quash criticism, dude. That's some dictator fucking bullshit, and it's illegal, and I'm not happy about it. So, fuck that. And also, we took the time to make the video

because we thought people would be interested in hearing our bullshit and for us opinions, and then for him to get it taken down just because it made him sad. You know what I also think might have happened? Because the only part of this that I know about is I get Google notifications when something like newsworthy with my name comes up. And I got like right when his video, when our, no, sorry, when his video came out and I tweeted about it, a bunch of news sources quoted my tweet and said like animal, like notable wildlife biologist or animal planet biologist for Galante discredits Neil Waters things, you know, which is kind of a bummer because I was like, yeah, I didn't really discredit it. but I didn't, you know, and I remember seeing those. I was thinking, well, that's typical news taking things out of context.

So he might have seen those headlines and being like, fuck this guy, which, whatever, who cares? Well, it just goes to show, I mean, it's classic Neil Waters, who I just ever heard about last week. But he reads, he doesn't, he obviously doesn't thoroughly investigate shit because what we saw in his photos, once again, were, in my opinion, not thylacine at all. It was a cat and the ass of the, I don't know the name. name of the animal. Because I'm just a DJ. Let's move on. Who cares?

Yeah, it's such a big who gives a shit. I do really quickly want to throw out there a couple great comments on the YouTube live. Michael Renufe says Retepp looks like the DJ from Blues Clues. And then I also like Chris D. says, Neil Waters uses a fork to eat pizza. Which is Neil Waters sits to pee? It's just a brutal this.

I sit to pee sometimes, man. Just a big mouth breather. I sit to pee if it's late at night. Dude, for a treat. Oh, my God. So nice. And again, listen, I don't want anybody to brigade him or do anything. You know, don't do anything.

It's just I'm pissed mostly because of the fact that he's trying to censor a valid opinion by abusing copyright law. And it pisses me. All right. All right. Who gives a shit. Let's do something fun. Let's talk about what's in the news. How do you guys feel about that?

Amazing. Good. Good. Thank you. Great. Yeah. So one of my favorite things from so far, 2021 came up in the news this year.

And I'll tell you why. It's not because I think it's such a massive world-changing discovery. It's just because it's so freaking cool. And if I had the ability to do this after every single rugby game, I definitely would. So a couple scientists in Japan have found, and we have no WT Willie tonight, so I don't know how to share this with people,

but a couple scientists have found that a couple species of sea slug can literally decapitate themselves when they're tired of their old bodies and just grow a new body. Just bring one up when they feel like it. Oops, I messed it up. I don't know how to do it. So it's like, they'd a couple too many meals at Taco Bell and they're like, you know what, this body's pretty sad.

I've got to go to the beach tomorrow. There it is. Look at that. There's the head completely removed from the body. and they just pop their head off and grow a new body. Sorry, Patrick, your joke landed flat just because I was trying to figure out tech. But it is funny. It also sucked.

It also sucked. And it also wasn't a good joke. But how, like, can you imagine? Oh, my God. So, you know, playing rugby and doing it less now. But, like, the Sunday after a Saturday's rugby game, you want to die. You're like, my whole body feels like it's been through a meat grinder. Like, every part of me aches.

Like, I think my finger's broken. I'm positive. I've dislocated a knee, like every part of me is broken. If I could just be like, I don't want this anymore, head off, plop it on the couch, throw on some Netflix until my new body grows out. I would do that every Sunday. Listen, if I... I know.

You're talking about, like, doing something constructive. I would do this every night post-drinking on that Sunday or after Taco Bell. I wouldn't even wait for the toilet the next day. I'd be like, nah, I'm out. The twillet? The what was that thing? The twillet? Temperature prior says it.

Mullet. The t. The toilet. Wait, so Forrest, do you know anything about how? So this is a fairly new discovery, right? The scientist in Japan made. Is there any idea of how they do this? How the fuck do you just decapitate yourself and then grow a new body?

Well, it's a behavior. It's not like they have claws or something either, you know? So they actually like. choose to detach their head. I don't know much about it. I mean, I saw a quote from the scientist where he said, we believe this is the most extreme form of autonomy and regeneration in nature. I mean, it is.

Growing an entire new body, you know, like an axolodal can grow a new gill or a new leg or a part of a tail. This thing's growing everything. It's incredible. Yeah, I don't know. Let's be fair, though. I mean,

what does a slug body consist of? It consists of what's in like a human finger. It's not too complex. It's all its vital organs. It's still got every single vital organ. It's heart. It's liver. Its stomach.

Everything is there. A slug has all of these things. Insects have all of these organs? Are you serious right now? There's like eight things wrong with what you just said. But yes. Yes. The sea slug, not an insect, does indeed have all of the things that we just stated.

An insect. And as to pretty much all living organisms. I mean, it looks like an insect. By the way, a sea slug is a nudie brink, right? It's part of the same thing. family as axelotel. Correct. Correct. Yes. Okay. Do you read that off your script? All nudibranes are sea slugs, but not all sea slugs are new to branks. Copy that. Yeah. Pat, you look, you look distressed. I think it's because of all of these receding hairline jokes in the chat.

My hair, again, it's, I'm like two weeks away from getting the tuck behind the ears. I'm going to look like a young Andre Agassi. I can't wait. It's good. Yes, yes. I know Dominic. Patrick hairline shit. Patrick's got just great. Like, I don't want to fluff the guy up here, but he's got great hair. I have no fucking problem with it. I'm happy about it. You stole my top-knot look. I know.

Well, you know what's funny? I top-notted it this morning in advance of going live. I was like, I'm going to try and go without my sweaty-ass hat. And about an hour before the podcast, I started getting this weird headache. And then, like, five minutes before we started, I was like, oh, it's because my hair is blowing my scalp towards the sky. and I'm in pain. Hey, Kaylee Ray sent me something on Instagram Forrest.

Yeah. First of all, and give me your honest answer. Okay. Did you know that there were wolves in Wisconsin? I did because they've come down from Canada. I did know there were wolves there. I did not know that. That's super cool.

So there's about a thousand wolves living in the state of Wisconsin, and they, the fish and game, I guess, was for some reason in control of the situation. And they said, we've got way too many. We think we can only support 350. So they said, we're going to allow anyone to go hunt a wolf that wants to hunt a wolf until we've killed 200. Oh, I saw this. So hunters now are free to go kill wolves.

Yeah. So they put a quota on them to bring down the numbers. Yeah. I don't know why you would want to go do that or whatever, but, you know, it's calling, right? Yep. They've gotten out of control. They're fucking up other species. How long do you think it took the hunters in Wisconsin to kill 200 wolves?

Wolves are pretty elusive. They're very intelligent. However, people are sick and smart. And these animals haven't been under pressure because they haven't been hunted. I'm going to say three weeks, two and a half weeks. What's your guess? I'm going to guess one weekend, two days, Saturday, Sunday. Get out of here.

People, Dominic says one day, Michael. So it was two days. It was three days. Three days. And they went way, they went way over their, over their quota. They killed, I think, like an extra 28. But what the state is saying is that they think they can only support 350. So I guess what's your take on this in general for us when it comes to culling predators? I've got a couple opinions on this. A couple pretty strong opinions on this. Well, first of all, I don't have a problem with predator calling. You know, if you are managing a wildlife population and there is a massive imbalance, that's a problem, right? If you have too many wolves and not enough deer, eventually there's going to be no deer, the wolves are going to have nothing to eat. They're both going to collapse.

They're both going to die out completely. That's terrible, right? Unfortunately, if you're a realist, you realize in today's day and age, you have to manage most wildlife populations. Like, it's all in our control. It's not, yes, there are giant spans of land up in Alaska and stuff where, you know, hands off and that's the way it works. That's great, and that's how the world should be, but that's not realistic in a place like Wisconsin, where it's all controlled and it's all managed. So you have to manage it. You have to manage the deer population, you know, you have to manage the wolf population, et cetera. So I don't have a

problem with that with predator management. I personally could not, like, I don't get the desire at all. Like if I lived in Wisconsin, I actually get the desire to go shoot a deer. I really do. I understand being a predator. I understand what it's like to be excited to hunt, to chase things. And then deer is fantastic to eat, right? Venison is delicious. I love eating venison. I get it. I get the desire. Now, if I lived in Wisconsin and all I did was deer hunt and someone was like, hey, do you want to go kill a wolf? I'd be like, no. I'm going to go kill a wolf. It's a fun. To me, that's almost like murder. So like I just don't get that and I don't get the desire. But obviously other people do. And the predators have to be managed. And it kind of,

to me, it's almost like sadistic. It's like how many people were frothing, like chomping, at the bit to get out there and kill these wolves. Sure. Stephanie, Stephanie Commande is asking, why couldn't they just relocate the excess wolves? I guess the question would be to where, right? To where?

Well, to where is definitely the question. I'm positive that there are locations that are in need of wolves and don't have overpopulation. But I'll tell you why, Stephanie and Retap, because what is a bullet cost? Six cents. 60 cents? 60 cents.

Yeah? Yeah, buck, whatever. The state, every one of those hunters probably paid $2, $400 for a wolf tag. Okay, the state just made money and it cost 60 cents to shoot a wolf, right? What do you think it costs, and I'm going to guess here, what do you think it costs to relocate a wolf? To trank a wolf? To trank a wolf. To get the biologist there, to get the vet stuff there, to get the vehicles there, to get the permits.

You have to go through the feds because they're a federally protected animal in some place. You have to go through the state. You have to go to the other state that they're going to. You're talking about millions and millions of dollars to move 100 wolves, 200 wolves. Sure. So it's pretty easy. At the end of the day, it's not biologists that make the decisions. You know, it's not, it's the state or the feds.

And they go, nope, too expensive. But Stephanie, if they would have come to me and forest and said, will you guys pay for this? We would have said yes. Right. And we would have paid that $2 million because we have that much money. Yep. We're very wealthy. That is, that's obvious.

I saw, no. I saw Harry Starling said, Forrest could have funded all this with his overpriced book. Thanks, Harry, Dick. What's up with this? Hey, Harry, Harry's one of my favorites. He's always, he just likes to take the piss. No, he gets it. I love it. Yeah.

Wait, but real quick here. Yeah. I'm doing some research for a wildlife project that we're going to shoot here in North America, hopefully sometime in the next six months. and I was looking at some this just this fucking blew my mind I was writing this up the other day

so this is about wolves and yellowstone right and so there was this big pack it was called the Druid pack it was the most dominant pack it had grown to be the largest pack as a function of how many members it had of any wolf pack ever documented in the world

how many individuals do you know shit I'd have to pull up my file it was oh it was like 28 it was huge fucking huge right so the Druid pack grand shit in Yellowstone for a long time. They get an outbreak of Mange. Okay.

And it's in the winter. So it's poorly timed. So listen to this. Because Mange is so itchy, they itch off their fur, right? And they're creating spots now on them that... Bald spots. But it's winter. So now they can't lay down to sleep.

So now you've got this entire pack of 28 wolves that are sleep deprived because they haven't slept in days. They're getting a minute of sleep at a time standing up. They get completely taken over by three lone wolves. Wow. And they kill out all the dominant males, kill the dominant females, everything. And these three wolves that were from somewhere else take over and start a new pack with a couple of the females because of this mange outbreak. Because they had to sleep standing up and they were so fucking. and tired that they just gave up and were like, we're done. Wow. I mean, that's just,

it's, it's amazing. It's, it shows, you know, it's a perfect micro example of like overpopulation, right? You get too many wolves, and I don't think there's too many wolves in the world. I'm just saying you get too many of these animals all together, right? Something breaks out, a disease breaks out. You know, it's like, it's their COVID, so to speak, right? And something goes wrong. And they can no longer, they're no longer, you know, the toughest, the best, the biggest, the strongest. And it just takes some other small population of healthy, well animals to come in and take shit over. And it's just like, it's a perfect example for everything and everyone and people and overpopulation and wildlife. I mean, it just shows you what happens when you get super complacent and think that

you're in charge of everything because of your numbers and your control over an environment. That's crazy. Dominic Elianno and Elianali. Elianelli. What's your first language that you speak, Peter? Because he's not English. Dominic Elianelli. He just said, like humans with COVID. Elianelli is not an English name.

I can't. I think he's a fellow Paizan, like Papa Pee over here. Are you a Paizan? Half. Courtney Jones keeps asking for us. Is Extincter alive coming back? I think we know the answer now, actually. Yeah.

Courtney, it doesn't appear so. You know, an animal planet, well, they didn't want to continue. Long story short, you know, COVID slowed us down a whole lot, and that whole thing hit. And now Animal Planet is doing more shows about kind of, what would you call them, Patrick? They're like reality shows, really, not really wildlife shows. I don't even know. Yeah. I don't know if it's kittens and puppies.

You know, our show was shockingly cheap for what? we did. And working in TV, I've done many shows with, you know, two or three times the budget. And we did it as much as we did on those shows. We just had less people standing around. Right. But as far as what we put on screen was the same, but they, I believe, think that the show is still too expensive. And things like Treehouse Masters or tanked are, get roughly the same ratings as Extincter Alive did. Right. And so even though you found the fucking tortoise and the Galapagos and the fucking leopard in Zanzibar, it wasn't enough for them to just say, let's do it.

And that's the state of the world now. This was back when I produced Whale Wars, they didn't care about the ratings. And that show got good ratings, but they just said, this is an important show, it's good branding for us. Right. That's how cable used to be.

Netflix came, streaming came, and cables in trouble. And so it's just really, really hard to do anything for long. Here's a little inside thing for people that don't know a ton about how TV works, cable television, when you do one season of a show, your chance of getting a second season is 7%.

That's right. So seven out of 100 shows that do a full season, get a second season. And then your chance, when you had a second season, to get a third season is about 25%. So it's just astronomically difficult to maintain a show on cable TV.

So with that said, though, I mean, it sounds to me like there's an opportunity there. I mean, that's kind of what we wanted to do, want to do with this whole thing. Not necessarily extinct or alive, but I mean, this is meant to be more than a podcast. COVID has sidelined us

for a year, but... Oh, you're about to all get vaccinated soon. Like, the wild times is going to become something much bigger. That's what we want to... Yeah. I want everybody, I saw a bunch of people commenting like, no, boo, you know, sure, you can let Animal Planet know. I have no problem with that.

We were definitely upset when we found out. In fact, please do. Please do just on their social because it's annoying because it was their best show maybe that they've ever had. Right. I really believe it. It's one of the shows I'm the most proud of. It was the most fun I've had doing a show. For sure.

We had such a lot. So please let them know on their Instagram that they should bring Extincter Live back. That would be awesome. Yeah. You guys hit them up, let them know. But don't worry. Like, it's not like, for everybody listening to this, it's not over. You know, like there's a lot more coming.

It's never going to not be looking for these extinct animals. And just been working with wildlife, you know. Like there's nothing wrong. Like all things considered, you know, if this is the total end of extinct or alive, we don't fully know. Things could always change. No, go to it somewhere else. Yeah, you know, we don't fully know.

Just know that, like, this is not the end of the work. This is not the end of what we do. And, you know, I always looked at extinct or alive, and I want everybody to know this. I've never really said this publicly before. But I always looked at Extincter Alive being about the journey. Like, yes, I'm incredibly passionate about the extinct animals, right? I go nuts when I find fern or the Cayman or the leopard.

Like, I go bonkers. I fucking headbut my camera guy, right? When I sound guy. Like, I go nuts. But the point is, it's always been about the message in the journey, right? It's always been about look at all these incredible environment, all of these beautiful animals that are still here, all these things that we can save. And that could turn into anything, you know?

It doesn't have to be extinct or alive. It could be rescuing crocodiles with tires around their necks. It could be showcasing sharks in the Arctic, you know, and some of the other things that Patrick and I have done. And the list goes on. Like, it can be anything. It's just about the message, really. And that's certainly never going to die, so I'm not too worried about it. That said, though, dude, I do want to, when I'm thinking, I'm thinking about what the right way to do this is,

I really do want me, you, and BTG to go do the definitive, like, spend like three. months and hit the whole thing, man. Hit Papua New Guinea, go do the definitive thylacine search, like get a thousand trail cameras up like six months in advance and just really do it. And I think we will at some point. We'll figure out the right venue and how to do it and how to fund it. Maybe it's something through wild times. I don't know, but that's something we got to do, man.

It'd be so close to being definitive at that point. Do you know what I mean? Where it's like, of course it's not definitive, right? You can't cover every single square inch of every place, blah, blah, blah. But could you imagine if we put together a couple million bucks? We got several thousand trail cameras. We got an army of fucking Brosners and university kids. And we went and put up 2,000 trail cameras across Papua, New Guinea, Northern Australia, Tasmania, whatever.

Could be any of them. Let them run for three or four months. Ran it all through an AI program and we're like, bam, there it is. You know, there's the photo or there's something close to the photo. Or, hey, you didn't get it. You know, it doesn't really matter. But at that point, it's so much different to, like, me going to Tasmania and Australia, I'm putting out a dozen or two dozen trail cameras.

Neil Waters going and putting his dozen or two dozen out and getting a cryptic picture of a butt. You know what I mean? Like, it's just so, that's so small compared to what we could do one day. So, yeah, I'm not too worried about it. We'll get it done. Yeah, man. We just, we'll go over. Do you get real, real quiet airplane?

Yeah. Parachute in, man. Smart. Parachute in is just the, pick, like, the 10 most. preserved the hardest to get to pain in the ass pockets, just parachute people in, sit quietly. Wait, so you're not going to parachute, Pat? I would do it for something like this. I mean, I didn't think I was ever going to ride in a helicopter, and then you get an opportunity to do it for a show, and there's a good reason to do it,

and you're fucking scared of flying. You've done it a lot. I do it all the time. Let me ask you a lot of helicopters now. And this is, this has now been asked several times in the chat. Where's my invite, you fucking dickhead? Look at the PIN message. That's one of at least a dozen, except for one guy who said, what's he going to do, eat food? Referring to me if I were to go on this endeavor. I assumed that it was known that if we go do something like this,

you would be there, obviously, because how else are we going to do the pod? Yeah, who's going to fly the plane? Definitely not you, but, yeah. No, look, Retep, you're going to come with. Like, remember that show? I don't want to go fuck off. You're coming with, because the thing,

the reason that Extincter Alive didn't go to season three is we didn't have the idiot abroad. Like, we had a bunch of hardcore badass guys in the field. When we bring you along or a tap, all the comic relief is there. Yeah, I mean, it just depends what direction creatively you want to go with the show. I can be behind the camera. I'm a very versatile individual. This is my first time even on camera. I didn't know that I was this handsome or funny. Hey, real quick, can I just bring up one news story that came across my desk? Please. We did start with news. Which, by the way, I mean, yeah, what's going to drink? Everyone's a drink. Forest doesn't have one. It's a bitch.

I should pour another one. I had one when we started. Grab one while I intro this for us. All right. So, an Australian man, hopefully it wasn't any of the brusners. What kind of desk, though, mate? Sorry. Oh, my desk is made of, it's just made out of glass.

It's made out of sea glass, actually, welded together. So an Australian man, is that a party? And he gets dared to eat a slug. Okay? Okay. You know, everyone's like, yeah, just eat the slug. We'll see what happens. Just do it.

So he eats the slug. Eight days later, dead. Okay? Eight days? I think so, because it says... It must have been a brutal eight days. In what... Oh, sorry, never mind.

Eight years. Yeah, okay, because I was about to poke some holes in that. Yeah, yeah, I got you. I got you. So the man eats this slug at a party. Let's assume they're boozing pretty hard. And they're like, dude, eat the slug. He'll do it.

So he eats it. Feels fine. A couple days later, complains of leg pain goes to the doctor. He finds out he's contracted a rat lungworm infection. You know anything about this rat lungworm for us? A lot, yeah. So I remember this whole story. Louisiana, Patrick.

Yeah, in Louisiana, that's right. Yeah, they're in the apple snails. You know those big giant snails that were crawling out of the bayou? Okay. They carry rat lungworms. Okay, so let me make sure I don't butcher this completely. So rats get a worm called a lung worm, right, aka a rat lungworm, that can, that eats their lungs and they die, right? But they also perform their, I think that's correct.

I'm not positive of the effect on the rat, but they, the rat lungworm performs its entire life cycle within the rat, right? So it has babies, it reproduces, blah, blah, blah. And at some point in time, the rat shits that out, right? Yeah. And it shits out some rat lungworm eggs or babies. Now along comes a slug, a snail, whatever. it's gobbling up bits of grass, into the slugger snail goes

the rat lungworm eggs or cysts. And then they hatch out and eventually would, I think they might like dormant in the slugger snail, I'm not sure. But some idiot, and the only reason I say he's an idiot, I'm sorry that he passed away, is because I could totally see myself being this guy at the party.

Couldn't you both see me being this guy at the parties? Come on, Forrest, you'll do it. I just know this guy at the party because I've been into a million parties where this type of thing happens. Right, yeah. I've been that guy many times. You eat the slug, and yeah, it's brutal.

This rat lungworm gets into you, causes brain damage, all kinds of things. And I remember this story. I remember seeing an interview with this guy's mom, and she was just like, it was this young. He was like 19. He was boozing heavily. Yeah, and ate this fucking slug on a dare to impress a bunch of his buddies, and then had eight years of slowly deteriorating before he finally died, I think, last week.

So there's nothing that can be done to kill the parasite? Is no antibiotic or anything like that? I don't believe so. That is such bullshit. Here's why when we're in Louisiana forest, I can't remember the context of why you were telling us not to touch the snails. It was just because there were snails everywhere in the swamp. Yeah.

And you were saying don't touch him. That's why. But it really pissed me off for that reason because I was like, I could easily see myself just touching this, picking this up, throwing it at somebody, you know, whatever. And not having no idea that it might have a rare rat-borne lungworm that could kill me if I touched this snail. What a bizarre thing. Yeah, isn't that crazy?

Forest, what is the, there's the octopus that has the, it's the blue-ringed octopus, I believe, right? Yep. Yep, very venomous octopus. Somebody sent me a picture. I'm trying to pull it up on the thing, but it's, you've, have you ever seen one of these things in person? I have, yeah. They, I got sent this picture and I'll find it, but they have the blue rings, but it can do the same thing that all octopus can do where it can become identical to its background

and look like the bottom of the seafloor. And it's fucking insane. It's just a clear, it looks like a clear animal with blue rings. And the reason I'm bringing it up is because it's incredibly poisonous. Venomous is not poisonous. Venomous. You touch it. And it basically is like one of them, it's,

Is it not the most poisonous? So it bites. They bite. They bite. They have venom. Venom. Think like a snake. And they bite you.

And if that venom goes in you, you will die. I don't believe there's an antidote or an anti-venom. So yes, it's not from touching it. It's not just like, oh, drop dead. But yet they have the ability to blend completely in with the background. So it's like, it's the ultimate fuck you from nature, honestly, if you ask me. They're awesome. They're super beautiful, super bad.

octopus I don't know very venomous dude I brought it up just because there was a really cool this is a fantastic comment this has nothing to do with wildlife but in the YouTube chat

Johnny Storm 777 says one time one time I was at a restaurant with my girlfriend and we broke up with her she started crying and everyone thought that I'd asked her to marry me and the whole restaurant started clapping

it was really messed up if you saw that in a movie be like, it's too unrealistic. Right, totally. Oh, that's really funny. Oh, man. What are you guys drinking? I just poured myself

some nice scotch whiskey. A little charmede. A man. I'm doing a little bit of a great team, but it takes, the way I make it takes a while. Red Rock and wine. 19 crimes and wine. I got a date after this,

got a jacuzzi and whatnot. Who's a lucky guy? Yeah, who? Is that Neil or Joe? No, it's my girlfriend who we've talked. talked about many times before on the podcast for many months. Isn't you your fiancé now? What?

Are you out of your mind? I'm just kidding. First of all, no. And second of all, Forrest, ridiculous reaction. You don't know that as a heterosexual, like, middle-aged man, there's nothing I get more excited about than male engagements. Like, that's it for me. Like, that's it.

It's like your 32nd birthday, you start getting excited about that type of shit. Yeah. It's not sporting events. It's just when my friends get engaged. That's all that matters to me. Because you get to go to a nice, a nice big party and just a while. Oh, my God, dude. Circa, what was it, 2017, 2018? I think I went to 12 weddings that year. There was just a fucking year. Oh, yeah. Everybody turned 31 or 30, 32. I don't even fucking remember. And there was just, it was just a wedding year. And it was like the worst year ever. In the beginning, I was like, this is fun. So many parties and weddings. Yeah. Yeah. And then I looked at my bank statement. I was like, I have to go to how many states and how many places? It's crazy. Like, each one of these cost me like three grand.

Like, this is terrible. I hate this. The out-of-state weddings are definitely like, they start to become a fucking thing. You're like, uh, like another 500 bucks round trip. And if you're bringing like your girlfriend. I got to say, though, nothing is more fun than the destination wedding when you're in the mood to go to that one. Oh, yeah. Right.

Like if someone's like, I had one of my best. friends got married at this remote village in Spain that was like two flights, a bus, a whole thing. And I was just like, I'm sorry, I don't have, I'm not going. But when you're in the mood for a destination wedding, a nice solid three days hunkering down at a resort, doing nothing but boozing, hanging at the pool. Yeah. I mean, you and me are talking about two different things. I'm not talking about a destination wedding.

I'm talking about having to go back to Chicago every time a friend gets married in like the west suburbs of Chicago at the Marriott. Don't get me wrong. Like, it's fine. And it's a good time. But it's money every time. And you do it for like 10 years. And you're like, oh, shit, I've spent $50,000 on going back to people's weddings. Hey, Broin Roberts is getting married in October. He's invited the entire wild times true. I was doing my first chat of the, by the way, how freaked out would Bro and Roberts be if all three of us showed up? We should do it. We should She just pop up at his wedding. I'll give a speech.

I won't be asked to, but I'll be the guy that just stands up and gives a speech. We're all showing up and then he's going to have to explain to his family who the fuck those guys are. Did you guys ever see when Maroon 5 just popped in on people's weddings? It'll be akin to that. Except we'll just get hammered and play no music. Forrest will give a drunken speech. Yeah, it's bad. Pat's actually really good at speeches I've heard.

I'm very good at speeches. Yeah, yeah, I give a good speech. So I like this. see that. One of the brosters hit us up. So Forrest, I'm going to put you on the spot. Let's do it. All right. I love it. I took human development in college and I learned about this experiment where they took newborn babies brand new, showed them a fluffy bunny rabbit, right? This was like in the 50s, like when everything was fucked up. When you could just do whatever you wanted, you could do any experiment you want. God, I've been born in the wrong time. So they would show them a bunny rabbit in their little

bassinet, and then blast off an air horn right next to their head. And they would do it numerous times. And then again, like 12 years later, when the kids were 12, they would show them bunny rabbits. And almost all of the kids, even though your brain changes so much from being a newborn to two years old, whatever, had fear and anxiety around bunny rabbits because of this airhorn experiment. Yeah. And so what I thought was, God, like, who are the people that are volunteering their newborns for this terrible experiment? Who are the doctors? Who are these dorks that are writing this paper? All right. So Colton Payne, one of the brochures, hit us up and said,

imagine you were a mad scientist with no ethical or moral dilemmas. You just don't have that part of your brain. So myself, please continue. Sure. What is one experiment with no worries about ethics or morals you would love to do to better understand humans? Ooh, that's a fun question. Yeah. It is.

I'm like, shit, there's a million of them, but I don't know what the one is. I definitely think it's a fear-based one, and I'll tell you why. You know, I have these snakes at my house, my rosy boas, and I've had so many little kids come over, like babies, like 15 months, you know, a year and a half, two years, three years old. Yeah. And they've never seen a snake before. and even kids that don't speak have an intrinsic, instinctual fear of snakes. And I find that so interesting. Crazy.

It's not like they're terrified, screaming, crying, but they're, you know, like, I'll show them the bunny. They'll run over and jump on it. Like, I'll show them the lizard. They'll go two hands on it, you know. I'll show them the peacock, and they're, like, chasing after it. I'll show them the snakes, and they're all, like, I've never seen a kid just go in for the snakes, like, just to try and touch them. Right.

And it's so fascinating. because we don't understand anything about that. That is 100% nature over nurture, right? Nobody has taught these kids' snakes are bad. They don't understand TV. They don't understand books. Like, nobody has taught them that. And, like, I think my experiment would be sort of similar to the old bunny horn, which would be, like, can I just torture a ton of kids and adults with snakes and try and understand where that instinctual fear comes from?

Like, why is it? There's only, you know, it's not like every snake is venomous. And certainly not every snake wants to hurt you. Like, where is this fear coming from? Where is this instinctual fear? I think I'd take all the creepy crawlies. I'm evolving it as I go. I take spiders, snakes, scorpions, all these things, and just torture, not just babies, but

like babies, kids, preteens, everything with them, and try and understand where does all of this fear come from? And why is, why do you look at a snake and instantly get scared and look at a bunny rabbit and want to hug it? Like, before you even understand language. It's totally true. It's all true. Like, I have friends that I visited recently.

They have a, they have like an eight-day-old baby. And they have a German shepherd that weighs 75, 80 pounds. The German shepherd comes up and noses the baby. It's very gentle, right? Loves it. But the baby just loves it. Yep. But yet, terrified of a harmless garden snake.

Right? Yeah. It's a thing. It's really interesting. And nobody's taught the baby that. Like, the baby just has that instinctually. But it's all primates, right? Baby monkeys are terrified.

of snakes as well. Yep. So it's, yeah. If you're super, super Christian, you might say it's tied to the Garden of Eden. True. Yep. You could say that. Someone like Retepp is.

No, it's true. That's true, because it's biblically speaking, snakes are bad, right? They tempt you and blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, I think the obvious answer is where all primates, we know that, you know, whether you can identify the species of snake or not, snakes are scary and snakes are dangerous. But how do you even know that before you understand language? Like before you can walk, you know, like that's crazy. That's super interesting.

Well, it's the false positives theory, right? So people that get the most false positives, humans and primates, right? So false positives meaning that's dangerous. I need to have a danger reaction. The more false positives you get, the more things that can hurt you you stay away from. So even if 95 out of 100 things weren't going to hurt you, it's still better to identify it as danger and move away. Stay away, yeah. And that's a huge, one of the first.

theory, this guy Sam shared in that we should have them on some time. He's a really cool author, wrote a book about fear and the stress response. But one of the ideas is that natural selection chose the humans that are alive today are the ones whose ancestors got the most false

positives. So snake, bad going to kill me. I'm at heights, bad, it's going to kill me. Right. So false positives were sort of chosen, but it's also one of the things that is the reason why we die prematurely because we have so much anxiety as a result of all these false positives. Right.

We get stress. And I got to think it's a scale, right? Because if you, you know, like sexual reproduction comes with like bravery and ability, right? Like the reason, regardless of how PC we want to be in everything, but the reason like a female chooses a male in the animal kingdom, humans or otherwise, is because they want to pass on their genetics. So you want strength. You want bravery. You want abilities. You want, you know, that's why, you know, the big jacked six foot four hot guy is more desirable than the smart, you know, five foot nine nerd. You know what I mean? It's like he has more desirable physical qualities. So it's like it's got to be this shifting scale where it's like at what point are you basically just a sissy. You know what I mean? And not just false positives. And it like there's got to be this like middle area where it all makes sense.

Totally. Yeah. I mean, so you're saying that it's unhealthy basically. Are you laughing at Kong? Are you laughing at Kong Evans? For us? I was laughing at Kong Evans and then toilet Retepe, ew. Well, yeah, of course you would be laughing at Pat's fucking comment in the chat because you guys are... It's ridiculous with you, too. You guys are always glad-handed, just, you know, slapping the butts. Listen to you, Ted. Go ahead.

Yeah. I was saying, though, like, so you're saying that you think that the stress and anxiety that's cost from the overabundance of these types of being scared of irrational things can can shorten life as opposed to the actual things that we should be scared of reducing life. And it's a balance between that, right? That's what you're saying? Yeah, I mean, look, babies are born with a startle response, right? So that's one of the reasons we swaddle babies is because a baby that's two hours outside

of the womb, we'll just go out of the middle of a sleep. It startles, its heart rate spikes. It gets adrenaline starts coming out of its kidneys. And so we, sorry, adrenal glands. But so we are the ancestors of the primates that had the quickest response to a possible thing that could kill you and keep you from pushing your DNA on. So it's just interesting. And that, of course, that's part of the reason why you've got like 25% of the Western world is on anti-anxiety medication. Because we have overactive adrenal glands, which causes aging to the cells and a ton of damage to your system.

What I was going to say, though, is it's interesting because, like, this is so dumb. I bought these devices that are marketed on the fact that they cut out stressful certain frequencies, like higher frequencies that cause stress. That's like talking about the same thing, basically, where, And now those are all around us in today's day and age. And we still have this thing in our ear, which alerts us to these frequencies because it was super important to hear somebody step on a leaf in the woods when you were walking around 3,000 years ago. But now when you're walking down the street in New York and there's cars driving by and people honking horns and shit, we still have not devolved or evolved outside this thing out of our ears. So we pick up all this shit.

And it anyways, my point is is it claims to fucking knock all that down. And I mean, I've been wearing them. You said it's great, right? What? Do you understand what he just said for us? No, I got like 8% of that.

No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Yes, he got a weird thing that cuts out noise. Basically, what I got out of that is you wasted your money on some gizmo. That's what I took away from that. No, but I'm saying, I'm saying, what I'm saying is that we, They were marketing it on the fact of what we're talking about that we have a physical attribute in the ear that funnels certain frequencies into our ears that we evolved to protect ourselves back in the day. And we still have it.

And so I'd like your thoughts on that for us. Did I get swindled? No, I don't know, man. I think there's a lot to that. I think the overstimulation thing, it's kind of what I was talking about with Bradley Trevor Greve about how I get lost in cities. right like your your body is you know and when you're out in nature it's like very easy to know where you are because you're taking everything in it's the same thing with like all your senses your smells your your ears everything i think it's like stimulation is great and over stimulation is too much and when we live yeah like i've got

fucking brutal neon light or not neon what do you call fluorescent lights overhead i've got a screen here i've got a light in my aquarium back there you know i mean there's a light on my phone like it's like too much it's too much stimulation and that's stressful and i think it's the same thing with noises like when i'm out in the woods sleeping at night. I sleep like a baby. It's beautiful. And I absolutely hear when something moves through the leaves, you know, and that startles me, and that creates, that creates stimulation and stress or whatever versus everything making noise, which is constantly creating stress. And your TV's on and your radio's on, your phone's pinging. And yeah, you know, I'm with you. I totally get it. Yeah. So you're saying that I did, that I made a, a perfectly logical investment into these

beautiful, wonderful pieces of ear equipment. I have your... Let's go with that. Okay. That's all I wanted to hear. I want to go back to something Patrick asked earlier. You know, the whole, if you could do any fucked up experiment. And I haven't even heard your guys yet because we got so dog-legged on this. I got to think.

Here's the other one, and you guys are welcome to steal this one. I would love to know, again, it comes down to fear-based. You know the old saying, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger? If you terrorize someone, basically, or like, say you take a population, right? you take 100 people and you terrorize them, right? And you do that for a couple of years or whatever. And then you let them go out into the world and then you study them. How many of those people like get tougher and stronger and grow thicker skins?

You know what I mean? Because they've been terrorized. And how many of them basically melt down and are, you know, they kind of function in society, etc. Like where is that fear response and how does that relate into everyday life? Like I feel like I've had some what would be considered pretty simple. substantial traumas, like from falling off the waterfall, like losing my home in Zimbabwe, blah, blah, and I think it's made me tougher, but is that just a social construct? Has that actually not made me tougher, you know?

Has that actually made me more scared of those things happening again? Like, I don't actually know. Like, I've been told that it has made me tougher and I think it's made me tougher, but I don't know that. Do you know what I mean? That would be a cool experiment to know. Yeah, for sure. I mean, that would be a great experiment because that happens all the time.

I mean, like with war and all kinds of things. I'm assuming that if you can control the factors, like age, when something like that happens, probably has a huge, huge effect on that, you know? And then just your genetics. But yeah, it would be super interesting to know to actually do a controlled study on that. I think so. So what are your guys? And then we'll talk about some animal stuff.

I don't think we're going to have good ones. That's why I just asked you because I was like you'll probably have a good idea. Well, I mean, I can. Go ahead. I don't have one, but I'll talk about one that was actually done. And it's because I took psych in college, and they talk about this one. It was, I think it's called Milgram's Experiment, where basically they sit down a pair of humans across from each other. And but you can't see the other person.

And you have a, the one person is told that they have an electrical, they're connected to like, electricity. And the other person is, you know, in another room, and a person's there telling them to electrocute that person with stronger and stronger electricity. And the person, even though you would think that a person for no reason would do that, they do it with ever increasing strength to the other person on the other end. And the experiment was on authority and the way that humans react to basically just being in the presence. of authority. So that was pretty fucked up. Yeah, that's bizarre. I don't understand what you said, literally at all.

But that's right. That's because you weren't paying attention, you fucking weasel idiot. Okay. Yeah, that's true. I'm sorry. Look how maddy is. Forrest, look how maddy is. Yeah, because you're a fucking, you're a dick.

Don't put a fucking kneel on me. Don't pull a heel on me. I'd like to do. I'd like, okay, so men, male humans die eight years younger than female humans. On average. I've heard that before. Right. So the average life expectancy is like, it's like 72 to 73 and like 80 to 81 for a female.

I would like to, I will develop my own cocktail of vitamin. Okay. It's going to include some estrogen, some things to counterbalance the very corrosive testosterone that, Forrest, you and I have talked about how corrosive testosterone. can be in the body. So I'm going to develop this beautiful mix of vitamin that I will start

dosing male babies with upon birth up through death. I'm going to have a lot of funding. This is going to be a long study, and I'm going to see how is their life improved by having more

estrogen in their system and developing slightly female breasts but while also living seven to eight years longer. That's going to be my experiment. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah.

Well, I don't understand anything you just said. Let's move on. You're a dick. All right, Forrest, let's get some more wildlife in here before everyone quits the YouTube live. Yeah, I mean, this is a mess. This is a goddamn. We're lost with that wild times, Willie. This is the best fucking people have been clamoring for a live for like a month.

And finally, I got you Jamokles on here. Is that a word? Oh, real quick. Real quick for us. Before you get to the next wildlife thing, people keep asking about it in the chat. Tell us about your book, man. Yeah.

Patrick, you don't have a copy, right? Did you talk about it last week on the podcast or no? No, not really. Did we get into the trip? A little bit. You did the giveaway. All you said, you talked about a little bit, and we're going to give one away a signed copy.

I will talk about the book. Tell me what the book's about. Real quick. Here is the book. It's sitting on my desk. I don't know if you can see it. still live. A handsome man with a very cute tortoise. Patrick, you are, your name is relentlessly mentioned in this thing, including in the acknowledgments. So you better read it.

Well, please send me one. I will not buy it. No, you shall not. I'm just kidding. No, the book's been fun, man. It's, it's, I think I told you guys when I started writing it. Like, it was kind of right when COVID hit. And I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do for the next, you know, God knows how long. So I started writing the book. And it's, it's just, It's part biological adventures, part memoir. It starts with my childhood in Africa and the things that I learned and growing up there and how my family was forcefully evicted from their home and how I came to California. And then something that nobody knows about, like all the trouble I got in when I first got to California,

like the fist fights and the getting pinched by the cops and all the things, basically not because I was a shitty kid, but just because I was just wild from being in Africa. I was basically like a feral street kid. Dude, that's fascinating, though. That fish out of water thing. Like, you were not a street kid in Zimbabwe. You guys had a farm. You had a nice life there.

Great life. That was taken away from me. But still, the fish out of water of ending up in northern California or central, what, San Francisco area? Central, yeah, Central California. It just had to be so fucking bizarre. It was super weird. And I talk a lot about it in Still Alive. And, you know, I talk about how, like,

if someone, you know, where I grew up, if you had a problem with somebody, the teacher would tell you to go outside and sort it out, right? And you'd go outside and you'd put, I'm not kidding. This is in my school. The teacher used to tell you guys, hey, you two go sort it out, right? And there were boxing gloves that you could get if you wanted and you'd go out. And I'll be totally honest, most of the time you both end up in tears, but, you know, sometimes only one of you ends up in tears.

And then you both go back into the classroom. And you're good. By lunchtime, you're back playing together, hanging out. And there's like no ongoing, you know, of course you have friends and enemies and everything else. but it's not like this very different to hear. So I came into California. I first started life in California in Oakland because my family lost everything.

We're on welfare in Oakland's pretty fucking ghetto. And I remember I had a problem with a kid. Goodbye Oakland Brosners. Yeah, they're fine. They're too busy being ghetto. And I like went outside to fight with this kid. And he was like, I'm going to fucking kill you. I'm going to get all my friends.

And I was like, wait, what? You're going to kill me? It was just like so different to how I'd ever like had fused. And then that same kid, like, jumped me with a bunch of people and kicked the shit out of me and pulled knives on me and stuff. And I was just like, this is like, I don't under, like, I'm so confused by all of this. Like, I just don't under, it's a 14 year old. I just didn't understand it. So I got in trouble a lot.

And then I just do things like, I was just wild. Like, I grew up in a country with basically no rules or laws. And so, you know, I'd see something like, oh, you can't, no trespassing here. I'd be like, okay, but that's where I want to go. So I'd just, like, jump over someone's fence and, you know, walk through their yard and build. a fire or something and then, you know, next thing I knew I was in handcuffs. In their backyard. Yeah, and I was just like, well, this is odd. And so, yeah, there's a lot of that in the story. It's pretty fun. And then it gets into, like, how I met Patrick and it talks about naked afraid a very little bit.

And then how I met Patrick and how he came up with Extincter Alive. And I kind of gave some ideas for it. And we put it together. And we took it out to a bunch of places and pitched it and pitched it. And then we're like, now what, you know? And like, Patrick was this accomplished producer. And we had this other partner, Eric, who's super accomplished producer, and I was just like this kid who didn't really know what he was doing but loved animals and like tells the whole story. And then, you know, I talked about being a biologist going through university, all that stuff too. Sure. And then some of our adventures, Patrick, talking about sitting in the hotel room drinking, coming up with meat tree and talking about the Galapagos and all the stuff that you don't see on the show, you know. And that's, I think what's fun about the book.

It's all the like the stuff like, you know, well, what really happened is, you know, day one didn't do this. and day two didn't do that. Like Patrick and I were sitting around drinking when we came up with Mitree in a hotel room, you know? Of course. You kind of ever show that on the point. African beers are so far superior. So like Budweiser, plain old Budweiser is the best beer

that is made in North America. It's good. Anyone who doesn't agree is their taste buds are fucked up. Forest. The beers in Africa are unbelievable, man. They're good. We just crush them. We drank a lot of them.

Delicists. Will, just because I can't take you to glad-handing for too long at a time. But after this, Pat, I want to hear you chime in. Will Pat be reading his own parts in the audiobook version? We should probably do that. Oh, my God. Are you kidding?

He's got a silver tongue, this guy. Yeah, of course we will. But yeah, so anyway, and then we just do all that fun stuff, and then just kind of talk about my path and figuring out how to communicate wildlife through media and television instead of, you know, through academia. And I mentioned the podcast and a few other things like that. And then, you know, kind of what's next? And that's a bit of a call to action at the end of the book. And that's the

story. Oh my God. I'm super actually curious about this question from Elizabeth Nal. Pat and Forrest. Where do you think you would be if extinct or alive didn't happen? Would your life have been different? But what do you guys? I mean, you guys, would you even know each other? You think? we probably would have met once for a very expensive brunch in Santa Barbara and then that would have probably been a hit. I remember that story, yeah. But, no, yeah, I mean, of course, you know, your life's different every day based on the choices you make. You turn left instead of right and, you know, you might get in a car crash.

I mean, for me, it's, yeah, my life would be different. I would have still just done another show instead or whatever, but some of those experiences were easily memories that I'll for sure have forever, that, like, I got. so much out of going on those trips. You know, it's always good to do stuff that's way out of your comfort zone. And doing the shit with Forrest was always putting you in a terrible spot.

And so I knew that on every episode there would be two or three times where I would be in a spot where I feared for my life and felt bad about it. And those experiences are so good. You come through those and you really feel like an accomplished person, like a badass. And the moment where we've, two, one, found the leopard in Zanzibar, that moment where you started screeching like a macaque in the back of the bus.

Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. The videotape of the trail cam with the Zanzibar leopard. And then two, the finding Fern and the Galapagos. I mean, that's two of the best moments in my life easily. I totally, yeah, I would be nowhere near where I am without Extincter alive, I'm sure of that. Like I'd already at that point in time decided that I wanted to communicate wildlife through media and not science. So I knew that I was going to do something, whether that was TV or try and do YouTube or, you know, I didn't know what it was.

But maybe it was writing kids books, you know. But I think my life would be very, very, very different. I mean, I don't know. I don't know if I could write a kids book. But you get my point. It was just that I wanted to communicate passion and excitement for animals and wildlife. life through a media platform because I thought it had more impact than doing it, you know, as what I had been doing up until that point, which was as a scientist, as a biologist,

working as a field tech or working in an office. And I wasn't loving that. I wasn't challenged every day. And I wanted to communicate it on a bigger platform. And that's what we did. And it's the best. And I say it in the book. I say it here.

It's like I wouldn't be anywhere near where I am today if it wasn't for Eric, our other partner, Patrick and Extincter Alive. I mean, together, it's been freaking awesome. Like, the journey's been incredible. And I feel like it's just still starting. Yeah, it's just starting. Yeah, it's just starting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone's bell just rang. People think that the Taco Bell delivery showed up. No, that was the bell for you guys to shut up and stop patting each other's backs. Let's move on to more. You asked the question, boy.

I didn't ask it. One of the broosters asked it, and then everybody got mad. Harry Starling's furious. About what? I'm not following. What happened? That's okay for us.

I'm not smashing you, by the way. I'm too slow. Well, you know what? At the end of the day, the end of the day, gentlemen, this is a podcast about wildlife and adventure. We perfect segue after talking about how that's what I want to do. So, you know, to be honest, there were a couple fun things in the news this week. You know, there was the, there was the poor guy who died from the slug. There was the Japanese slug. A lot of slug stuff.

There was the wolf thing. A shitload of slugs in the news this week. Yeah, a lot of slugging in the news. But I think we should play a game. I think we should lighten it up on this pod. What do you guys say? Let's do. Oh, yeah.

All right. Let's play a little game. Wild Bunch. Of course. Well, yes, they will, because we're going to play Bizarre animal of the week. Aw, I've been excited for this, mate. Excuse me.

It's a fan. You're disgusting, Ritzap. It is a fan favorite people. Love it. If you're new to the pod, here is how it works. If you're listening live, go ahead and put your comments in the YouTube.

But what I am going to do is, is I'm going to... Oh, yeah. You giving away a prize? Yeah. Why not? Why wouldn't we give away a prize? What should we give away?

How about a book? Listen, most of the contests are now, anybody who comments on any video is getting a price. I can't... I'm going to have to go through all these comments, all these iTunes. We already have like one in the...

Okay, let me explain it because Retepp is very, very silly right now. Yeah, you are. Plus tonight. You're revved up. All right. So, if you're on the YouTube live, you have a unique opportunity here.

First one, first one to guess the bizarre animal of the week. Oh, okay. I know you're going to Google, but the first one, we'll take note, gets a signed copy of Forrest's book. It's probably pretty good because I mentioned in it. It's called Still Alive. We're not really promoting it. You didn't ask me to ask you about it, but I wanted to know.

I appreciate that. So, Forrest, go ahead, Bizarre Animal of the Week. Yes, so Bizarre Animal of the Week. Here are the rules. I am going to say things. about this very unusual creature. I'm going to list features, characteristics, and traits. And at the very end, we're going to take a guess

at to what this animal could be. If you guess it, you win the book. Are we ready? Yeah, let's get into it. All right. There we go. I'm monitoring the live feed, so I'm on it. I'm on it.

Very good. But you don't know what it is yet, just so that everyone understands. I do not know. Right. So this animal, our bizarre animal of the week, starts simple. It's nocturnal. What does that mean, Rappam? Possum. Very good guess.

It's not bizarre at all. What does that mean, or tap? It means that it fucking is awake at night and sleeping during the day. Very good. It's fucking and it's awake at night. It's a fucking awake at night animal. You got it. It's a nocturnal animal.

Can I do that? Let's continue. Okay. These creatures, very unusual creatures, are carnivores. They're meat eaters. Okay. So we've got a nocturnal carnivore. Not exactly.

narrowing it down yet. But, wait, wait, these weird creatures are amphibious hunters. Okay? So they're hunting in the water. Maternal amphibious hunters. Okay? Carnivores. Okay.

Yeah, now we're starting to get a little confused. Is it a reptile? Is it a frog? Where are we going? Yeah, people are guessing. They don't know what it is. Good, good, good. People might know what it is.

I doubt it. Let me tell you this, though. This bizarre, nocturnal, carnivorous amphibious hunter has webbed feet and claws. Webbed feet and claws. Okay, now, brains going all over the place. We're starting to think, you know, could it be a frog? Could it be some kind of who knows, right? It's weird.

It's a weird animal. They live in solitude. They completely by themselves. You know, they only get together to mate, and then off they go. Their lifespan. is unknown. We have no idea how long they live for. Even though we know about these animals,

we've seen them, we don't know about their lifespan. Now, guess is coming in. Good. Now, these animals have fur. Ooh, so everyone who just said platypus,

fuck off. It is a furred creature. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. And their fur is water repellent. All right, so they've got a waterproof proof coat of fur. Rotech, you look very confused. A lot of big words out here tonight.

No, it's not that. There's a lot of things going on here. They have webbed feet. It's got fur. They don't know how long it lives. I mean, I was thinking maybe it was like a small creature, but since it's got fur and webbed feet, it's probably larger. Nocturnal? Fuck off. All right, go on.

Okay. So what if I told you that this nocturnal carnivore that hunted in water with its repellent, water repellent fur and its webbed feet and claws had pouches. It's a marsupial? Is it a marsupial? Yes, it is. In fact, a marsupial.

It is. And you guys are thinking that you might know what it is, but stand by now. Stand by. It's a water kangaroo, just like we had the tree kangaroo the other. Well, do you think that this bizarre animal, the males will tuck their junk into the pouch to not get it all tangled up Well, they're swimming. This is an actual thing that they'll do. Yes, very confusing.

I'm lost. Okay. I'm lost. It is indeed a marsupial. I said that. Yeah, that's right. This is bizarre. Where do marsupials live?

Everywhere, dude. Australia, I mean, Australia. Australia. Yeah, Australia, right? We think Australia, right? Well, this marsupial does not live in Australia. So all you platypus guessers, get out of here. Yeah, someone got it.

Someone got it. I'm just, I'm just admitting. that I know what it is this time. Okay, you checked, you looked at the sheet. Well, keep going then. End it off well. All right, so let me sum it all up for you. This incredible black and white striped creature, which is a new tidbit, is nocturnal.

It's a carnivore. It's an amphibious hunter with water repellent fur. It has both webbed feet and claws. It is indeed a marsupial, the males will, which means it has a pouch. The females, the young, can actually ride safely while fully. submerged in the water in the pouch without drowning. The males will tuck their junk into the pouch to not get a tangled while swimming. They live completely in solitude.

Their lifespan is unknown. And this bizarre marsupial, because everybody's thinking that it's something else, does not live in Australia. I got it. I got it. Go ahead, Ritap. What do you got? What is it, Ritap? It's obviously Aquaman.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. You got it, right? That's right. What gave it away was really the fact that we didn't know how long it lived because really it's hard to catch Aquaman. Well, I don't know if anybody's guessed it yet. This animal lives in Central and South America. I haven't been able to see the comments.

In case you're still playing the game, it's the only member of its genus, if you're a scientist. This very unique, very weird creature is indeed the water opossum. Oh my God. What is that, man? It looks exactly like Pat. Dude, I'm not going to fight that at all. It does look like me. By the way, this is fucking crazy.

This is fucking crazy because our appearance is... Look at his fingers, mate. Look at just, it looks like a fancy rat, but it has all these other crazy abilities. Yeah. It's a fancy rat. It's also known as the fancy rat to scientists. Yeah, that's right.

So I just, I went through it. Urigwild was the first one to do it. All right. Yurig Wild, he says they're native to his country, which I'm going to assume is Yuruguay. Congrats, Yurigwild. You got it first just before Daniel Kuhl, who almost always wins. Yeah, guys, this guy's a pro. Surrogwild hits us.

Have fun paying for postage to send the signed book to Uruguay. Sounds like I'll have to. So yeah, man, hit me up on Instagram. You do all the time. I'll get your book out. I'll even sign it. So congrats on that. Super cool animal.

Oops, I'm now sharing the wrong screen. I don't know how to unshare it. There we go. Unshare. Good thing my porn tabs are not open. We suck without Will. Yeah. And yeah, that is the water opossum, our bizarre animal of the week.

Super cool creature. I've never seen one. I would love to see one. I was going to say, that looks really interesting. I've never even heard of that. Me neither. Very cool animal. Which is funny because Patrick said possum

like guessed one second one, which I don't know if you'd check the sheet by then or not, but that was pretty funny. So, you guys have access to the sheet, Pat? I weirdly, well, because Will's not here, he had to cut some corners

and so I was able to see the sheet. So I was able to monitor the YouTube work. Before we move on, somebody has asked this question at least 50, thousand times in this chat and other people have been now asking the question. What? They want to know if you speak Zimbabwean.

And I assume that just means things like Zebra and out of space. But is there an actual language? Indeed. Indie, Shana. Does that mean indeed? Shana. Shana? Yes.

Inde means yes. I don't speak fluent, Shana. I am lying. I used to speak very good Shana, which is the native language of Zimbabwe, when I live there. But when you don't practice a language for 14 years, it slips. very good way. Yeah. I'm bad at Pig Latin these days too.

Yeah. So I do speak a little bit of Shauna still. Enough to get by. I found out when I was last there. But boy, I walked into a room and just thought I was going to just start conversing and was like, shit. Like I totally didn't know. I was just like, oops, I don't remember all the words. You can understand it, right?

Like you can understand it, but you can't speak it. Yeah, that's what happens. Yep. Yep. And, you know. We, we, in Zabwe, there's, uh, kind of like what Creole is, you know, the language Creole where it's like messed up English basically and like a bunch of sounds from New Orleans. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I mean, Creole, I think it's considered a proper language, but it's like messed up English, right? Yeah. It's common in Zimbabwe, we have Chalapalap, which is like a mess of Shauna and English and a few other native languages. And I'd say, I went from speaking Shauna to speaking Chalapalapap. It's a real, it's a mess now, but at least that can get by. That's fucking crazy. Dude, language is, I'm not, but that, language is fucking weird, man.

Show up to a lot. That's cool. Yeah. There you go. Here's the thing, guys. Here's the thing. This is really important. It's time.

That's for us to it. Battery Roy. This last week's podcast. Was that an owl? That was a blue whale, mate. Oh, okay. sure that's exactly what they sound like. That's right.

So, this was actually a Brosner some mesh. Okay. You're going to have to think real hard, and I think Retep, we're going to have our fucking, we're going to have the deck stacked against us here. Okay.

Broin Roberts says, you guys are teamed up. Oh, sorry. You guys are going against one another to complete the 900-mile Iditarod sled race. Oh, okay. But here's the wrinkle.

You can't use sled dog. you have to pick three animals to pull your sled. So you get one of each, one of each, to pull your sled 900 miles through very, very cold weather and snow and ice in Alaska. No dogs allowed. In fact, it's not no dogs allowed. It's no canids allowed, guys. Yeah, right. You kind of cop out and be like, I'm getting wolves.

Yeah. I'm going to take a coy wolf, Retep, that's what you're going to say. That would have been awful, and everyone would have hated to do more. Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. What? Sure. No, you're busy stuffing your mouth with chocolate. But so you have to pick three animals. You get one of each to pull your sled.

We're racing 900 miles through the terrible conditions, the snowy weather, ice of Alaska. It's a snake draft. Retep's up first. Okay. And Bro and Robert said that we, We had to make you first. So, this is rough. So you get only the three animals.

Yeah. Only the three animals. So they're pulling me on a sled. Yes. It's not like, there's not like multiple of each animal. It's just one, two, three, Ben. You weigh by far the most, too. So this is important.

And it's very cold up there. And we're trying, so I'm trying to beat just YouTube in time, like at time one. Yes, correct? Yes. It's not, there's not 17 other people in this race. Can you fucking, can you relax? I don't. I don't know why you get so pissed off when I ask questions, okay?

Sorry. I'm trying to have fun. Well, God, I mean, they all kind of have to be able to go at the same pace because the slowest animal is going to be the slowest of the bunch. All right, so my first pick is going to be a snow leopard, dude. Hmm. It's a fun pick. No, it's a fun pick.

It's fucking, it can manage the cold. By the way, good for the cold. I will be calling. you out if your animal will die in the cold before it gets to the end of the 900 miles. And nobody would know better than you. Trust me, I will. All right, so you've got a snow leopard. Forrest, how much does a snow leopard weigh roughly?

40, 50 pounds, something like that. So it's going to have a little trouble carrying a 250-pound man. You don't know my weight, mate, with no companions to help. Don't presume to tell people my weight on the air. It's 226, B'am. I'm up to one. I'm 190, so I can't

shut out. You're a 190, Patrick? Holy shit, dude. When I met you, you were 125 and 4. All right, Forrest, you go second. All right, I'll go second.

Peter's going with the snow leopard. Easy pick, straight out of the gate. Something that's, is we're going to go slow and steady to win this race. We're taking the tortoise approach, not the hair approach.

I am. I'm going to go with a polar bear. You son of a bitch. Almost spit my wine out when somebody said Forrest's about to pick an ant colony and claim it's one animal like he did on the last podcast. Sorry, Pat, you weren't there. It was hilarious, though. I did.

I cheated. I broke the rules halfway through. Wyatt polar bear. What are you thinking there? Well, look, I'm looking for something that can go the distance right now. It's going to go the distance. It's going to stay warm. I've got other picks for sure.

I've got one that's very outside of the box, but this is, I wanted to take this off the table, strong enough, it can pull me all day, it's big, it's heavy, I do have to feed it, that's a problem, we're going to circle back to that. Yeah, we're going to start with the polar bear. All right, so I've already won, which is tough. I don't love being in this.

I've already won this. Carry on. Okay, so when I was in Greenland, several different times, when you go to a nice restaurant, you're back from camp, you want to have a nice meal. What do you get? You get a muscox steak, right? I've heard that.

It's a steak made of muscox. They are perfectly suited to live in the Arctic. So Alaska's no problem. They run at max speeds of 37 miles an hour, which is much faster than a polar bear, which maxes out at 25. So I'm going to take a big, beefy muscox. I'm not worried about it.

It's going to eat the grass. It knows how to graze in the cold weather. second divly, which is a word, I'm going to pick a moose. Look, intimidation, right? Everyone's scared of moose. They run at max speeds of 35 miles an hour, still way faster than Forrest's polar bear. True. They can carry me and my 190 pounds on the sled.

So right now I've got a muscox and a moose, and I've won. Forrest, what do you want for your second? You could come in second still. You could be retep. What do you want? Well, we'll see about that. Polar bear's a good pick. I'm sticking with that.

You've got an ox and a moose. Good picks. Retep's got a snow leopard. Not great. Yeah, it's piss points. I'm stall. Your polar bear's going to fucking eat you and the sled, so. You know what?

It's not going to eat me. It's not going to eat me. And I'll tell you why. Because I'm going to pick an animal that is notorious for having phenomenal endurance. And I know what Retep's going to say, and then I'm going to explain myself. So I'm not even going to say the next thing. No. Won't survive the winter.

Won't survive the cold. I haven't said it yet. I'm going to pick an ostrich. Super fast, sustained speeds of like 30, 40 miles an hour. I'm not positive off the top of my head. They can run for days. And by the way, by the way, sorry.

Hey. What? Hey. Hey. In the cold? For short periods of time, they can sustain very cold temperatures. The coldest I have ever been in my life was camping in the Namibian desert. This is worse than ants to prevent scurvy on the ship.

Why? Why? Why can an ostrich sustain the cold? This is nonsense. Well, I don't know about Arctic cold, to be quite honest, because that doesn't sound right. They're from Southern Africa. Everybody in the chat has said that you've lost. I'm not done, explaining myself.

Where are you going to strap it up? What are you going to strap it up? I'm not done. I'm not done explaining myself because the ostrich is going to take off 30 miles an hour. It's going to run itself into the ground, lead of the pack, die, totally fine. It's basically a giant chicken. and the polar bear is going to eat it to continue on. It's a 900-mile race.

Whatever. This is nonsense. It might be worse than your ants to prevent scurvy from last week. The brosters are changing their minds as we speak, I think. They're not. They're not. Nobody is. My second pick.

My second pick is going to clearly make me the winner of this. And not only because it is the best pick out of all picks, But it involves the holidays. A reindeer or a caribou. They weigh 300 plus pounds. They already carry Santa sleigh in the air through the night. Christmas sky. They fly.

And, you know, the snow leopard will run alongside to give the auxiliary support for this giant 350-pound caribou dragging my ass. And, you know, that's... it's a solid pick in my opinion. Now, unfortunately, you now have another pick, so what's your next pet? No, I know. Why is that unfortunate, mate? Just because the first one was so terrible. It's not terrible.

It's auxiliary support 50 pounds. So how are your snow leopard and reindeer getting along? What are you talking about? I mean, they're going to be frantically running away from the sled and me as I whip their booties. Okay. All right. Animal abuse.

You are. sir you're out of line continue go ahead and pick herpes I've never been and I did a rod I just assume that's what happens you will be a fucking ostrich are you kidding me

it's a good pick it's a pick he was in Namibia he saw a cold ostrich and it was running really fast that's right and that made me pick it end of my last

so so the reindeer and the fucking snow leper will get along just fine by the way but what they might might not get along with, but he'll have a lead that's very far to the side, a lead that for you, American guys, that's a leash to the left. He'll be far away from both the caribou and the snow leopard.

Good God. A grizzly bear. What was it? A grizzly bear. So he's going to take an Alaskan brown bear. It can survive up there in the cold. I'll give you that. But it's not a bad pet. What do you mean you'll give me that? I already gave it to myself. Fuck off. Go ahead. Well, I'm not up next. Learn how a snake draft works. Forest, what would you like to add to your ostrich and I don't even know what your first... What was your first thing?

Polar bear. Polar bear and ostrich. Here's where the real genius comes in, gentlemen. Here's where I win the race. You dumb-dums are going 900 miles over flat ground with your brazen animals. I shall not do that. I'm going to... I'm going to pull a little...

What was his name? I remember the Saturday morning cartoons where they did the races. the dastardly dog with the mustache guy, the cheaters? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dastardly dog. I'm going to pull a little dastardly dog, because my third and final pick is the doll sheep, an Arctic sheep that can take my sled

and make me cheat and take shortcuts and go right up and over the mountains. So while you dumdums are going down the long, flat areas of the Iditarod, we're going to be taking shortcuts over the hill. What's the polar bear going to do? What is this doll sheep? Tell me about this. Uh, it's just a high altitude Arctic sheep, you know, like a big, think big horn sheep of the Arctic.

Uh, very nimble, very agile can climb up and down things. Honestly, probably not the best creature to pull a sled, but, you know, I'm, I'm envisioning the polar bears. An ostrich, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, and a fucking polar bear. Listen, listen, guy. And here's what's going to happen. We're going to hit start, right? The ostrich is going to go. We're going to burn out 30 miles an hour, sustained, way faster than you guys. It'll be demoralizing for us to see you get off to such a quick. Quick lead. Yeah. It will. And then he's just going to roll over dead.

That's it. Ostrich ends. Polar bear eats it. I'm like, oh, shit. But the polar bear then comes along, eats it. We continue a nice, slow and steady race. I see you guys starting to bring up the rear. Polar bear jumps in the sled with me.

Dull Sheep just decides to take a little shortcut right up over the hill. And hopefully we get to the finish line before you guys. That better be strong. Edwin makes a great point. Are they not the ones that can climb vertically? They can't climb vertically down a cliff. Correct? No, they are known for climbing up and down cliffs.

Down to? What do you mean? Yeah, I mean, fuck up. You picked an ostrich, a polar bear, and a sheep, okay, to win the iditarod. I'm thinking of you outside the box, all right? Look, it's, guys, guys, guys. I've already won. I don't need to draft.

It's not true. Several brosters have already claimed I've won. I pinned one comment. Oh, well, you know how to use YouTube. Thank you. I've got a must-up. and a moose. I've already won.

They run faster than your animals. They're more equipped for the Arctic. This is ridiculous. So what I'm going to do now is sabotage your teams. Okay. I'm going to take a single pregnant mange mite.

Mange mite. You're still hung up on the mange thing. So this is a tiny mite, but it's pregnant and it's a female, and it is going to jump when I sort of toss it out of its petri dish onto your animals, your mammals,

and create mange in your animals, similar to the druid wolfpack in Yellowstone, they will start losing their fur, they will get very itchy, they'll be distracted, they're not going to want to run, they're not going to want to run. They're going to scratch off their fur.

They won't be able to sleep. They're going to be sleep deprived. On a 900-mile trip, you are fucked, I've already won, send me the autographed book. I win. Yeah. And your two animals

work well together. Mine's a smorgasbord. I'm getting lit up on the... Yeah. I mean, it's awful. I'll give Pat. The bullshit win.

I try to play with my heart. I try to play outside of the box, and I just get chewed up by the brosners and spat out the other hands. You're not an outside-of-the-box guy, dude. You're very, very square in the box.

You've won most of these, but look, I've got Bro and Roberts. I've got legendary hamster. I've got Adam Bell, Adam Galloway, Dominic Ali and Ellie. I've got them all on my

side. I won this one. I never win. Just give me one. You got it. Look at the Brosner's comments. Dude, you got it. There's no question. Retep, you're a solid non-compete. I don't think your name's come up once. I definitely, it's hitting on me. First of all, second, I mean, I definitely beat you. And that's all I really give a shit about tonight. So fuck off. That's fair. Also, yeah? What? Vuelo said, Farras picks a frozen chicken. And he's right. The ostrich might not have been my best pick. I literally, I froze. And I was like, I was like, I, I remember ostriches when I was really called ostrich, good pick.

I'll just say that real quick. The only reason Pat won is because he once again stole my strategy like he stole my top knot. Taking outside of the box, his pick tonight is akin to me picking herpes or one other time I picked a bacteria. He's a thief and a weasel. And everybody needs to understand that even though it appears he won tonight, Fuck you, Pat. Hey, Retep, I don't know why you're, first of all, why are you broadcasting live from a children's classroom?

I don't know what that painting. He painted that. He painted that. I painted that. He wanted to sell it on air. He told me, he told me, I wasn't going to, I was. What is that a broccoli sock? He wants to sell it on air. He said, before you signed on tonight, Patrick, he's like, do you see this thing?

I put it up on the wall because I painted it. I'm going to try and sell it on air. That's a tree? What kind of tree is that? I wasn't going to. I mean, I just thought it was, I thought it was a good background. I couldn't be in the office. That looks like my aunt Hortense's hair.

That is not a tree. Me and you painted wine glasses together one time, and I have two of them in my house. I still use them all the time. It was a good time. I used them as well, but I have one of yours, and it looks like somebody shit a glass out of their ass. So fuck you. People are offering you up to $10 American dollars for that painting, so I think you should. You should take it.

Hey, by the way. How about this? We're not going to sell it. We're going to give it away on the next live. I can't do it. The girlfriend will be mad. Listen, I was a joke about me selling it. I just thought it was a nice background. In Hall 1250.

We've got a bid off here, guys. We have a bid off. People who were complaining about my background in the dailies last week. Here's what I think we should do. Retap will send his painting. I will not be sending it. You will. I will get it.

I will go get it. If you come and get it and physically pry it from my cold. dead hands. You can fucking ship it out. No problem. Comment on the YouTube feed. If you want it. Oh, we're at 25 bucks. Negative 25.

Negative 25. Oh, shit. We're 15. 50. 22.55. 30. P. preschool says 30. It's not being sold. It's not being sold. It's not being sold.

It's up to 30. Uh, Linus says she wants to be paid 50. Yeah. That's fair. I can't. I can't do this. 40 bucks. It has a lot of sentimental value to me.

No. $40. That's nothing. Retef, have some dedication to the podcast. This is worth a million to me. Dedication in the podcast, motherfucker. Where were you last week? I'll kill you.

This is hilarious. This has been fun. 125 bucks, dude. Dean Hold has offered you a hundred and twenty-five bucks. A million. I won't do it for, I won't do it for less than five for nine hundred. You're full of shit, dude. If I'm not sure to tell me, if I offered you 150 bucks right now, you wouldn't take that.

for that broccoli stand. What am I going to do? I don't need 150, but what is that doing yet? Yellow was here. How rich are you? Are you? I'm saying, $1,465.

465. This has sentimental value. I fucking slaved and painted this. It came out of my own brain. It's one of my first paintings. All right. Braden, Wichester says 900. I don't know if I believe that.

That's, look, this is going to be given away. I will go get it. Don't worry. We're giving this away on the next. next pod. I will get it. I'll have it. I will hold it in front of the camera on the next podcast. That's a fact. Boom. Well, you'll have to wrap. It'll be a replication. It won't be the original people. Trust me. He's a weasel. Also, go to, if you are listening on the audio, go to the YouTube, the wild timespodcast.com forward slash YouTube. Also, the daily videos will be back this week.

Pat fucked up last week. He fucked a song. up. He had to go on some excursion bullshit. We don't know. Forrest picked ants for his battle royal pick. It was crazy. I don't know what happened. I'm going to slump. I'm going to and also Peter. Peter, people are saying the Discord is, there's a problem with the Discord.

We'll get that fixed by tonight. Yeah? There's, yeah, there's no problem. I tried it. I end post the new link. Copy that. Go to the Discord, though. That is HTTP colon, forward slash, slash, the wild times

The Wild Times. I'm going to make a pinata that is shaped like Pat and has Pat's face on it. And we are going to sell that on the podcast. He's the most unappealing, vile fucking animal in the world. It's unfortunate I can't pick him

for better royal picks for the ugliest creature in the world. All right, this is brutal. Oh, man. I can't believe you turn down 400 bucks for that crappy painting. No, 900. 900. You're an idiot. Oh, you're dumb. Hashtag

Stop or Tepp abuse. Your ugly pat. Find a new hat. Forrest, you're pretty good. My painting's amazing. It's not broccoli. Eat a dick, Pat. Good night, everybody. Love you guys. This was fun. Cheers. It's good to be back. Yeah. Stay there. It's going to take

a while to be ended. I'll let you know. Okay. Make funny faces, you ugly pigs.