Wild Times: Wildlife Education - TWT #67 - Shark Week Wrap Up w/ Forrest Galante

Episode Date: July 19, 2021

Get the inside scoop from Forrest Galante about venturing to Alaska and Mexico for Shark Week. Retep cracks jokes, while Papa P. wears a VERY serious face. All that and more in the Post Shark Week wrap up on The Wild Times podcast! Patreon @ https://patreon.com/wildtimespod All the links @ https://thewildtimespodcast.com/info

Wild times. Yeah. I got to turn that off repeat. It's ridiculous. The repeats brutes, bro. You're a moron. Guys, last week, biggest week of the year,

if you're in the cable, animal planet space, animal space, which is about 12 people. Globally, it was Shark Week. Shark Week, baby. This is the Shark Week fucking special, baby. Shark Week special episode.

I don't know what episode number it is. This is Shark Week special. Of course, what noise does a shark make? Blub. That's it. That's it. Just blub. How about?

Well, dude. Forrest, you just had two. Were you the only person this year that had two Shark Week specials? I might have been. I'm actually not sure. There might have been, yeah. I think so. Let's just say yes.

I'm going to say yeah. You were. Definitely. Yeah, number one guy, best looking guy on Shark Week. No, Shark Week is awesome. There's so many cool, interesting people that do Shark Week. It's such a weird mix of, like, sillyness. You know, there's jackass...

A lot of celebrities, eh, this year? Yeah. I mean, it's huge these days. It's huge. Yeah. But there was like jackass shark week and I can't even name what other celebrities were on it this year. Brad Paisley. Brad Paisley did a shark week.

Just testing to see if... Brad Paisley do. Well, they had to see if sharks like country music. Yeah. That's science, my friend. It's weird. I heard that one shark swam by under the boat and swam away racist. I don't like this shit.

But, no, it, uh, it, uh, it, uh, it, it, it, Shark Week's weird because it's this mix of celebrity stuff, stunt stuff, and then what myself and a handful of other people do, which is like science stuff. And mine skews heavily on the adventure science, but still science stuff. And it was fun, man. We had two incredible shows, one that Patrick was, you know, he was the biggest part of. He created it, which was Extincter Alive, Jaws of Alaska. Yeah, yeah. That's the one I want to talk about, not the other one. Which is everybody now knows, we found the Pacific Sleeper Shark. We found the San Francisco. salmon shark. We got to have salmon sharks literally competing with me in the water as another predator for food, which was insane. I mean, I don't think anybody's ever filmed that before. I don't know if anybody's ever even seen it before. Wait, so when you say competing for food,

you had like a spearfish or like a spear gun or something? No, so what happened, what we did was we were testing to see which shark up in these Arctic waters could potentially be the marine mammal killer because there's been marine mammal attacks up there. They're not from an orca. There's shouldn't be great whites up there, even though we think there actually might be now. But we were testing to see could salmon sharks be this potential, like, killer of seals and sea lions? So we go in the water. Okay.

So let's not get, let me, let me be Howard's turn here. Okay. Let's turn it out a little bit. Yeah, let's go. What was the motivating reason to go there? So, set that up. Seals are dying and nobody knows what's going on or what? So in the last, like, four years, there has been a massive uptick in marine mammal attacks

in Alaska, specifically the Prince William Sound. And they're not from orcas. When an orker kills a seal or a sea lion, it's gone. There's nothing. It disappears completely. It doesn't limp away with a, you know, with a big hole out of it. And so all of a sudden, over the last couple years, there is this handful of gnarly mangled seals and sea lions. And big question mark, who's doing it?

Sure. It's a big who done it. Yeah. Yeah. So you're like, I got to go get in the water and fucking decide and see if I can find out what's doing. 100%. And we designed a whole handful of tests to test with these animals which one could be, as we nicknamed it, the Jaws of Alaska. Sure.

And what we didn't know, what we did know, but what we didn't realize going into it is how difficult it was going to be just to find these Arctic predators. Oh, God. Well, so do we know, do you know, you know going in that water's too cold for white sharks? In theory. So we came out of that show thinking that white sharks might actually be going up there with the shifting sea surface temperatures because the Earth seas are getting warmer. I've heard about that. Some people don't think so. Yeah, true.

But yeah, anyway, yes. So taking white sharks out of the equation, that really only leaves two animals. Two of the hardest to find creatures on planet Earth, the Pacific Sleeper Shark, which typically lives at 6,000 feet deep. Wow. And the very elusive, closest living relative of the great white shark, the salmon shark. Is a salmon shark rare? Is that, or are they everywhere? Rare is the wrong term, elusive.

is the right word. Deep, hidden. Very elusive. They're so they can move 50 miles an hour. They're super fast. They can hunt in packs. They're only shark that's known to hunt in packs. 50 miles an hour?

Yeah. That's like crazy. A sailfish or a marlin almost. Yeah. Yeah, they're incredibly fast. What's like, what's the fastest seafaring creature? A sailfish that goes like 65. Okay, so it's pretty close to the top.

Oh, yeah. Doof and tuna, which are known for being super fast, top out at like 40. Yeah, or like 45 at the most. No, it's really fast. Dude, imagine a fucking pack. Imagine a fucking school. Yeah. How big are salmon shark?

Get up to like eight feet. Okay, so it's still big, man. It's the size of a bull shark. Yeah. Going 50 miles an hour? Much toothier. In a school. Warm-blooded.

How big would a school be? Like, if they were hunting in a school or a pack, how many would you see? There are reports of them being in densities of up to 5,000 sharks together. Whoa! What does it? Reported by who? That sounds mental, dude. They found his journal at the bottom of the ocean.

By, yeah, fishermen, I think scientists in Alaska. So what these sharks do is every year when the salmon move in to spawn, they just get pulled in like a magnet and they coordinate their attacks to hunt the salmon. They're like the wolves of the sea, basically. Yeah, pretty much. They actually have that nickname. They do? Yeah.

Nice. Yeah, but if you had a wolf pack of 5,000, like, you just kill yourself. Make a good movie. Dude, good for them. So 5,000 salmon sharks. Right. So you have an idea going up to Alaska. Are they known for cold water?

Yes. So they're a warm-blooded shark, which enables them to live in cold water environments. And I have crazy bursts of speed. Are they the only warm-blooded shark? No. White sharks, they're the warmest blooded shark.

That's the best way to put it. Interesting. Yeah. So that means that their body temperatures regulated in the water, whereas a cold-budded shark, it would just shift whichever temperature water it's in completely to match. They're endothermic, which means they generate their own heat instead of ecothermic, which means they're just the ambient temperature of the environment.

These things sound terrifying so far. So for people who don't realize this about when you make a TV show about sharks, a very important, you know, it's good to have a good story. Yeah. And you actually had a real question you were trying to answer. Yep. But it's also very important that you see sharks. Oh, right.

Otherwise, they go, you never get to make one of these again. And let me point out, and Patrick knows this, but Peter, you'll find this interesting. We were the fourth shark week group to go up there looking for these guys. Wow. All other three failed. Really? So when they turned to us, I remember sitting, having the conversation with the executive, I think Patrick was on the call. And he was like, well, how do you know you're going to find it?

I was like, listen, I find extinct animals. You'll be fine. And with that kind of arrogant confidence, they were like, sure, go for it. Well, Pat's told us that your arrogant confidence has both gotten and, uh, opposite of gotten you helped and hindered helped and hindered but I will say

I was on the call and obviously very much wanted it to sell and full disclosure I did very little work besides when we put the pre-production treatment you put it all together

yeah you help put it all together but I certainly wanted to sell that's all he did I'm saying that's all he did literally nothing else I didn't go on the shoot yeah congratulations

but I'm thinking shit I want to make some money we're very very close here and they said look we've gone for salmon sharks It was almost like they were going to pass on it. Yeah. They were very close to passing on it.

Discovery had been burned. 100%. On the other three? I didn't realize it was three, but I knew it was at least, you know, one or two. Yeah. And people weren't able to find salmon sharks and forest was like, guys, guys, like, 100%. Right.

100%. With that real Santa Barbara cocky, like bro, frat, lacrosse. Bro, we got it. I literally didn't look up from my phone. I was just like, yeah, whatever. Well, the interesting part is how many people do what you do in the industry? I mean, it's not that many, right? What do you mean?

In what sense? Finding the extinct animals. Oh, zero, just us. Well, it's weird that they tried it three times and it's like, well, yeah, just come to us first next time, right? Well, because it's cool and it's rare, right? Exactly. So it's very tantalizing, you know, if you're a company that spends a whole week doing shark

programming, and it's like a shark that you've never really had. And then you haven't featured it before and other people can't get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. After three failed attempts, they're like, fuck this. Quickly forced. Are you whacking it under the table? I was going to send Peter's pictures of the salmon sharks to put up on the thing. He's sending pictures.

Sorry. Here, hang on, watch this. I'm in control of the switcher now. So switch me out. You're in every shot. Oh, God damn. We designed it that way because it's your show and because we're too cheap to get a fourth camera. That's also true.

Here we go. Ready? He's not jerking off. Kizenga. He's not. People loved that last week. The jerking off? This is the Jaws of Alaska folder you signed?

Oh, no, yeah, pull that up. I forgot you had that already. All right, yeah, so here. We'll take a peek at some of these picks here. Pop some of them on there. Switcher over there, Pataroo. Oh, look at that. Look at that, dude.

Oh, Joe, who facetuned your biceps? Face tuned. Thank you, nine millimeters a neoprene. Yeah, you look spice. I saw that video of you on the boat and the scuba gear with all your buddies that you did. That's dope. What's beautiful that is, man. Isn't that a cool shot?

That's fucking sick. Dude, Alaska is so great. So, it's amazing. Yeah, I forgot you had this. I don't need to be giddling myself under the table any longer. It's funny, you sent it to me not more than 10 minutes ago. What's not here? This is a good one.

Yeah, what are you doing there? So let me set all this up. Okay. So we're in this area, Prince William Sound. It's stunning, like you can see where I'm standing there. It's like one of the most beautiful place I've ever been. Yeah. And the salmon sharks, as I explained, they're there.

And up to numbers of 5,000, right? So we know they're there. Yeah. But three other teams have been up there and all failed to get a single decent video one, right? That's pretty, it's intimidating. It's intimidating. Because you know those aren't dumb dumbs either. Correct. They're the best in the industry where they wouldn't be making Shark Week. So we're like, holy shit, how are we going to do this? It took us about two weeks to figure it out. But here's what happens. Okay. In the morning, when it's sunny, and no wind only. No, no, listen,

this is important. In the morning, first, the sun never goes down. It's Alaska in the summertime. It never gets dark, I should say. But the sun only hits the water certain hours. In the morning, when it's sunny and there is no wind. I mean, not a breath of wind. Like you can see in that picture right there. Water's completely still there. The sharks come up to the surface and they're bathing in the sun.

So they put their pectoral fins, sorry, their dorsal fins out of the water and they're like taking in sun energy. The second, a lick of wind. I mean like that much wind, boof, they're gone. It's like when I go to the beach. Like one cloud comes, I'm just like,

you're out of there. The fuck out of here. But that's what these sharks were doing, right? So of the two and a half weeks we were up there, we only had about five mornings where the sharks were findable because of the weather conditions. Right.

Now, anyway, it's amazing. And the reason they do this, it's kind of interesting. I don't know if you've ever seen seals or sea lions when you're driving a boat and they've got their arms out of the water sticking their fins up. Yeah, that's what the Loch Ness Monster is. Correct. That exact thing. They're doing that to cool down their body temperature through evaporation.

So, you know, if you stick your arm in the water and then pull it out and the wind blows, it cools you right down. Yeah, yeah. That's what they're doing. Okay? So it's the same thing with these salmon sharks. They're up on the surface of the water, putting their backs out.

The second a little breeze hits, they're like, burr, you know, it's cold enough. I'm going back under water. So five mornings out of three weeks, right? First three days, we're like, there they are, let's go. We figured out real quick why nobody else had got him. They're just gone. Yeah, it's like a fucking fly that you're trying to, like,

catch with a pair of fucking chop sticks. So anyway, I brought up there with me this jetboard that you saw in that picture, okay? this jet board is an electric battery-powered silent board that can go 45 miles per hour. It's freaking rad. It looks rad. Dude, I'll say because I've topped out on a jet ski at like 50-52, it's really fast when you're sitting down. Oh, yeah.

And I'm standing up, controlling it like a snowboard. Did you ever get it up to 45? Full speed the whole time. No shit. Oh, it's so much fun. Yeah. I'm a badman. And I'm doing it in and out of icebergs too, like in the show open.

I'm doing it in and out of icebergs. Wow. Anyway, I'm explaining all this because the sharks were really hard to find, really hard to understand, and then the thing that I think everybody else failed at is couldn't get close to them. We figured out if I was going on the jet board, if I approach them, if the sharks like this and I approach even at a little bit of an angle, they're gone. If I approach head on, completely gone. If you approach, so as their fins going through the water, they make a V, a hundred percent behind them, they let you get right up on top of them. Really? And I could only figure that out by being on the jet board.

Yeah, yeah. It's the only way I could figure it out. So I came into a bunch of different sharks, a bunch of different angles, finally figured it out. And I'm like, this is what we have to do with the boat. We have to wait, get right up behind him, and then hop in the water and swim up. Anyway, got all this done, started this test, this like series of tests with like visual decoys, olfactory, meaning we were feeding them, giving them preferences to eat meat or eat fish, blah, blah, blah.

And at one point, you know, kind of the climax of the show, and we haven't even talked about the sleeper shark yet. There's one salmon shark. It's coming in to feed. It's like, holy shit. We've actually got them feeding in front of us. We're getting footage nobody's ever got before. Second shark comes in, and they start mackerel sharks, which is the family they're in, compete for food where the most dominant shark is closest to the food source.

So it's like a bunch of fat dudes at a buffet, right? The biggest guy standing by the, oh, you can eat pizza wheel, you know, and you're way more likely the crab legs. Yeah, but you're not boxing them out. Too much work. Anyway, in come two salmon sharks, start fighting each other for dominance in the water. Look at me and go, this guy's got to get the fight. fuck out of here. So all of a sudden, I've got two sharks that are 50

mile, they're like hot rod versions of great white sharks competing with me for the bay. Oh shit. It was rad. You essentially figured out something that three teams with a bunch of time and resources couldn't figure out. Well, yeah, you need a jet board. Yeah, it goes 45 miles now. Not everybody had one that was

on hand. It's crazy, though. But it's thinking outside the box, you know, taking creative tools like that and trying everything. I mean, that was one of ten things that we tried that we didn't show on camera. You know, try all kinds of things. We had kayaks. We had all kinds of stuff. Paddle boards, all kinds of shit. And you only get to see the stuff that works after that. Had you ever seen a salmon shark in the water before? I'd never even seen one period. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, there's not even a lot of video

of them. No. Very, very little. They're very hard to get close to. Oh, it's so cool. And the other thing that Patrick, you know, we do this wouldn't come anywhere near you on scuba. So it's free dive only. Sure, sure, sure. Every shark week guy is a bubble blow and, you know, scuba guy sits there with a camera going, I'm filming the sharks. You know, we had to go. Yeah. Our regular style, super stealth, free dive only. What was the water temp? I think the coldest we measured was 34 degrees, and we were diving in that. And then up to like 50 in some spots.

It was terrible. It was so cold. Yeah, so how thick is your suit for that? I had 7mm tops and bottoms, meaning 14 millimeter over my core. Okay. And then I put a 3mm vest under that. Pussy. So what does it feel like when you jump into 34?

Like for, you're just jumping as shit. Okay. So it's real shocking. Oh, yeah. It, what you, you kind of acclimatize, you know, your wetsuit floods. But what happens is when you're wearing a wetsuit, a dive suit, if anybody doesn't know this, it has to flood with that water.

Then your body has to heat up that water and it stays in there. Right. So when you first get in, it's flooding with 34 degree water and you're going, it's good for you. Probably there's evidence that you're going to live longer than both Pat and I just from that alone. So, yes. And here's, let's get into this a little bit because I, bet some of the brosners and cisterners have uh sisners i love it we talked about it yeah yeah could be

um so i almost drowned a couple years ago and it was actually over near catalina and the water was pretty cold i mean not super cold but probably 50s yeah maybe like or low 60s yeah five 50s and uh we jumped off a boat and we were going to swim to the other boat and there's fairly large swells but like nothing i would normally freak out about swimming in jar but i jumped in and started swimming and that happened and I couldn't get my breath. I didn't get my chest. And I actually thought, you're fucking drowning, man.

And I really, really, really thought I was going to drown. And I got onto my back and just went and I couldn't get a breath. How do you, I don't, and it's happened to me once since. I was in New Zealand doing a little fun cave thing. And I was like, I know it's going to happen. I know it's going to happen. And of course, I just jumped off this cliff anyway. Wyattomo caves, right?

You were texting me. Yeah, yeah, the glowworm caves there. But what can you do to avoid that? Because it's terrifying. It is terrifying. I think it's most, I don't know this, actually. I don't know if it's purely physical or purely mental or something in between. But it does take your breath away.

And you just have to kind of know that your breath's coming back. So you hit the water and go, you know, like in that shocking state and just know that in a few seconds, like you'll be able to breathe again. And I think people probably panic and go, you know, and then it gets worse. worse. Yeah. So would your advice be, like, because I know that it's happened to me a couple times where it was quite scary. Would your advice be jump in, let the shock happen, and just tread water?

Yeah. For a few seconds. Yeah. Just, it's, it's, it's, body temperature up. It's just mental, you know, it's like, this is going to suck. Okay, the sucking's over. You know, get on with it. The mental preparation, it sounds like, is the most important piece.

Dude, I, like, don't be fooled by my masculine bravado. Nobody is, mate. I am a total sissy. And, like, I go to the pool. And I'm like, I don't want to get in that pool. It looks freezing. It's like an 81 degree heated pool. And you hit the water, and you know what it's like.

It doesn't matter, unless it's a hot tub, you're like, oh, cold. And you're like, okay, it feels great. I did it. This morning, I was, I was shit-ass tired. I was up to, like, three. And I was like, I'm going to try this cold shower thing because people say it's like a, it's like a, it's a version of drinking coffee without having the, crash afterwards. And I was so hesitant. I started off in the warm shower. Slowly, slowly, it got

too cold. I'm like, yeah, no, no, no, no, no. Then you get used to it, though, and then I was more awake. I take a lukewarm shower every night. There's never been steam on my bathroom mirror. Ever? I hate hot, hot water. You do? Yeah. I like it lukewarm. What about you? What's your feelings on hot water? Well, I can't, it's funny, because every female that I've ever showered with Uh-huh. Thinks that the temperature, yeah, all too. Like, they can handle such hot water. Oh, yeah, scalding.

It's insane. Yeah, you're like, you touch it and you're like, ow! Guys are such a pussies. What are you thinking? Like, you're burning yourself. I'm going to call an ambulance. This is normal. 100%.

But, dude, okay, so quick, and people should weigh in on this. There's three different theories as to when you get into a cold pool. When you weighed into a cold pool or the ocean, whatever, right? Okay. I hear three different theories about what's the worst part. Is it getting the privates downstairs wet? Okay. The belly or the nipples.

The armpits. Oh, the armpits. It's like armpits and nipples this region. Because I used to be a firm believer that it was getting the penis and testicles wet. Yeah, it's the midsection for me. Dude, I'm belly now. No, I'm up here. I'm up here.

I'll wait into the ocean to just below the armpits, nipples region. And stand on the tippy toes. Yeah. It's so strange, man. Because it's a very powerful feeling when it hits the stomach. And the slower you go, the worst torture it is. It is. And you do it to yourself.

Like regardless, you know that it's torture to getting cold water slowly, but you won't just plunge in. You're like, yeah, I'm going to take a couple steps. And it's terrible. Even though we're old enough to know definitively that just jumping in getting your head wet is better. Yeah. You still can't. Well, sometimes I just bail.

I'm like, nah, I'm just going into knees today. I'm back out of the ocean. I'm going back to shore. Oh, man. Dude, well, congrats on finding the salmon shark. That's pretty awesome. That's not the only thing, though. That wasn't the only thing that you looked at.

No. So the other thing, when you should pull this picture up, I'm 99. I'm going to send cool assets out. I'm going to still send you these, Peter. Look at that. There we go. That is the sleeper. Yep.

Dude, that thing looks so prehistoric. Yeah, right? I mean, this looks like a picture. from the Stone Age, even with the diver in it. Dude, it really does. The diver is yours truly, of course. Yeah, so this was amazing. So we got there, we're trying to figure out who's eating what.

We put down a bruv. And for those that don't know what a brough is, a brough is a baited remote underwater video device. It's not like a, what's up, brov? Hey, bro. That's not a British guy. It is an underwater trail cam, essentially. Okay. And baited as in has a little bait on it.

Yeah, it's got a lot. like an arm with some bait on it and a camera sitting here. Gotcha. Anyway, we dropped some brubs down at the river mouth where the salmon were congregating and we're like, oh, we'll probably get salmon sharks, right? Yeah. Sure enough, we're in only like 500-ish feet of water, which is pretty shallow for your old Pacific Sleeper Shark.

Okay. Boom, here comes this monster shark chowling on the bait. And I'm like, holy shit, there's Pacific Sleeper Sharks here. How deep is the brub at this point, do you know? 550. Oh, the bruv goes down that far? Yeah. So we made special pressure housings and stuff.

Actually, Johnny did it. He made him. Dope. Yeah, and we knew he was going to fail, but he didn't. He didn't. But we made special pressure housings for our cameras, sent this brough down to 550 feet, the river mouth, and bam, sure enough, this crazy thing's nose comes up,

and we're like, that's a sleeper shark. So we're like, we got to get this shark up and see if it's, you know, we also had permits from Alaska Fish and Game to do, like, scientific tagging. We put tags on both animals, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, we're like, let's get the sleeper shark and see if this is the culprit. Like if they're in 500 feet when they're supposed to be in 6,000, what's to stop them from coming up to 10 feet?

Sure. Anyway, we put baited hooks up and down the bay, these big circle hooks barblous so they didn't do a lot of damage and checked them every four hours. I think in the show it shows three days. In real life, it was for 13 days. Okay. And we caught a bunch of halibut, you know, a bunch of rock cod. We ate a bunch of fish. We brought a bunch of fish home.

It was awesome. Then sure enough, one of the days, we're pulling in one of the lines. Holy shit. Like, I mean, just this huge dinosaur-like animal. Yeah. And we bring it up. And the thing about the Prince William Sound is the topagraph. The bathymetry is exactly like the topography.

So what you see above the water is exactly the same underwater. So you go from 30 feet to 500 feet in a matter of like 150 feet horizontally. Okay. So it just goes down. So we pulled it up from 550 feet. And when you say pull it up, it doesn't have a hook in its mouth. It does. It did.

And we pulled it up with the hook because we're checking the line. lines, we're baiting, we're trying to see what's going on. And anyway, by the time we pull it up, we're less than, we're in about 70 feet and we're like 20 feet away, not even, we're 10 feet away from it being 30 feet deep. Okay. So we pull it up, the boat drifts into shallow. We unhook it and I'm like, I'm going to go get in the water and see if I can get an aggressive response from this thing, you know, if you pull a 15 foot tiger shark up

and get in the water, it's going to chowl you. Yes. Straight up. Yeah. You know, if you get a great white shark and you stand in front of it on a hook, it's going to bite your head off. Right. So I'm like, here's a good test.

Let's go figure out whether or not this thing's going to try to eat me. That'll tell us whether or not this could be the animal. I'll be the bait. Yeah, I'll be the bait. Yeah, yeah. So cut the hook, got in the water, swam right in front of the shark, let it come right into me, and, you know, just nose into me. I put it into tonic immobility, so I rubbed its nose and rolled it. Pretty sure nobody's ever put a sleeper shark in a tonic immobility before.

Right. It's funny. You think they would, considering they're called a sleeper shark. They live it's 6,000 feet, dude. Nobody has this kind of experience with them before. Anyway, it was incredible. Incredible footage. That is the closest I have ever been

until being with a dinosaur. It was incredible. Are they more prehistoric? Like, are they a relic of like a different time? Absolutely. They go back. Yeah, evolution. I'd have to look it up.

But evolutionarily speaking, I think they're unchanged for like 60 million years. Kind of make sense because they tend to hang out in 6,000 foot deep water. Yeah. So you think they'd be less impacted by asteroid impacts and shit like that. Yeah, it's probably.

a ton of just millions of years old creatures down there at the bottom of the sea that we don't know about yet like megalodon have you seen the movie the the documentary the meg the documentary it's narrated by jason statham nice it is yeah terrible so that's where they're resigning the megaladons down there yeah trying to find what it said about their history but i think yeah i think there are hundreds of millions of years old anyway it was incredible super fun show that one's on Discovery Plus exclusively. So if you didn't get to tune in during Shark Week, people can check it on Discovery Plus. Yes, you have to go pay them $4.

There is no other way for me to give it to you. Don't ask me if I can put it on YouTube because they will chop my nutsack off, so I can't do that. Discovery Plus is good, though, man. It's awesome. Because you get all the channels you get. Every. Like, I, almost the only TV show that's ever on in my house is beat Bobby Flay Food Network. Yeah.

And so I was like, we don't need cable. No. Discovery Plus is the answer. is like your man crush, isn't he? Yeah, he loves it. Undeniable. I mean, I'm saying, like, if Bobby Flay wanted to go on a legitimate date with you and then make out at the end of the night, would you do it just to do the date?

If I was single, here's what I would say. If I was single or got permission and he was going to have me over. And he was really into me. He was pretty forward about the situation. And he would be. Like he was going to make six or eight courses and drinks and all that. And all I had to do was have my first experience making out with a man for, How long do I have to do it for?

Well, I mean, there are no terms or conditions. A few minutes. It's just a nice kiss. It's just a nice kiss. Of course. Yeah. Well, I mean, first of all, it's not even a big deal. Like, whatever.

No, I know. Well, I mean, it is a big deal. I mean, it would change your life. Doing anything for three minutes is not that big of a deal. What are you talking? Imagine to have a world-class experience from the best chef in the world? Listen, I... Look, I think the answer.

The writing is on the wall here, yes. Bobby Flay. So you're watching. And Bobby is a birthday. Rosner. So, yeah, if you, no, man,

I respect that guy so much because I've been to a few of his restaurants. He's a hustler. Fucking always there, dude. Oh, really? So I've been to the Mesa Grill in New York.

He was there a couple times. The one in Vegas one time he was there. And then we went to, whenever I'm in New York City, I go to Gato. And every time I'm there, he's fucking there.

Having a drink at the bar with a shit. He is everywhere. He is everywhere, man. He's all encompassing. But for us, that's not the only Shark Week you had this year. Oh, boy, this is a real me-heavy episode.

Yeah, this is the shark. That's why we have a stuffed shark. It's true. That's why we have a stuff show. It's the short week special. What was the other one that I wasn't involved in that was less good? Yes, that one, I actually think it was less cool if you want me to be honest. I still loved it.

It was super fun. No, I do. I actually don't know shit about what you're doing except that you went to Mexico. No, I know you don't. So it all came about when the executives of discovery called me in a mad panic and said, COVID has ravaged everything. We don't have enough shark week programs. And I was like, here's an idea.

And they're like, do it. Yeah, go for it. So yeah. So in like four weeks, three and a half weeks, the team and I put together this whole show. And it's called the legend of El Domenio Negro. And as I explained to the networks at Discovery, I'll tell you guys the same little story. Yeah, man. Perfect. So I've gone down to Baja for the last 15 years. The whole time I've been living in California, Baja is like my escape. Patrick knows this. I load up my truck. Johnny comes with sometimes. Yeah. Head down to Baja camp, live on the beach, surf, eat fish. It's great.

It's great. Yeah. It's the life, man. It's the life. What are you doing here, mate? Seriously. Anyway, on half a dozen of these trips from half a dozen different fishermen, I've sat around camps, they're bringing in lobster.

I go out, shoot a yellow tail, we're surfing, whatever. Sit down at night and everybody's swapping stories and these Spanish fishermen, these Mexican fishermen go, you know, oh, no, very dangerous. El Demoño Negro. I'm like, excuse me? They're like, oh, no, no, no, the black demon. Yeah. I'm like, well, what is this?

And they all have the same story, right? That in Baja, in the Sea of Cortez, not on the Pacific side, there is this 50-foot-long menacing shark called El Domenio Negro, the Black Demon Shark. And so I tell this story to the executives at Discovery, and they go, well, what is it? And I'm like, well, you'd have to buy a show if you want the answer. Nice move. Smartly done.

Yeah. And so we go on this pretty fun expedition where we start. in mainland Baja, and we are on the hunt to figure out who is El Domenio Negro. I get in touch with some old fishermen that are contacts of mine from down there. They tell us a story on camera. I crash in ATV, which cost a lot of money, but didn't kill anybody, did destroy Mitchell's red camera. Good. Yeah.

And then, yeah, we go on this chase. And the story that all the fishermen tell, and this is what's important, is that El Demosigno Negro follows the whale migration, because the whales's coming to the Sea of Cortez, and eats baby whales. I'm like, all right. That's a pretty big shark we're talking about that. Big shark. They're saying 50 feet.

Yeah. Wait. What were they saying? 50 feet. Okay. So a megalodon. Yeah, that's what they're saying. So anyway, anyway, we go down to Baja.

We're there in the late spring, because of my other shoot schedule, whales are leaving. They're bailing, right? There's a couple whales left in the cortex. Yeah, they're afraid of the count of Montenegro. You said it. Understood. Understood. And they're bailing.

So we're chasing the whales to try and find El Domenio Negro, and we're basically running down Baja trying to catch up with them, get to the tip, get to Cabo San Lucas, and the whales are, they're out of here. So we board a boat, we got a 115 foot yacht, and head out to the Reviah Hiitos Islands to look for the last whales where they would give birth before they take off towards Alaska. Wait, what was the name of the island? And can you look at Peter when you say it? Reviah Hires. Can you say that, please? Back to me. Revehuehueh-Hoeho.

Nailed it. What a hay-h-hue post. Did you know you were going to have to go out there, or you saw that there weren't any whales and you were tits up? We had it as a plan B going into it, and then it became a plan A. Okay. Because I was just picturing Stephen Rockmaels, who is the person who controls the financial part of the shoot. Yeah. When you told him you needed the boat, what did he say?

It's $30,000. It's $30,000. Everything's $30,000. Every single thing, yeah. I'm like, Steve, I need you. to grab us a rental car for two days. But it's $30,000. That's so true.

He's very nasly. Anyway, so we head out there and, yeah, I mean, it's just incredible. It's the most verdant, lush, beautiful marine ecosystem I've ever seen. Huge mantrases. Tons of shark species. I think we racked up 16 shark species in total. Galapagos sharks.

There's macos, blues, duskies, silver tips, hammerheads, white tips, and the list goes on. And, I mean, just incredible. great visual, super fun. And in case you haven't seen it yet, because it is still airing, I'm not going to give away the ending. But what we did, my opinion,

and my opinion going into this in the first place, was that El Demonio Negro, the Count of Montenegro, as Peter would say, is actually a case of mistaken identity for another very large black shark that we did find at the Riviacu heados. Well, it's already aired, man. Come on.

It's a whale shark. Is that this guy? So look, here's the thing. No, that's not a whale shark, Peter. Peter. Wait, how could they think... There's one in the bottom. Nope, that's not a whale shark either.

This one? That one. Yeah. Okay. So they clearly are not feeding on whales. They're not feeding on whales. They are feeding on the same thing as whales. Got it.

So what's happening is the whales are coming into the Cortez. Right? Yeah. They're coming in to eat the very rich green zooplankton that's in the water. Okay, visibility is shit. These fishermen go out fishing late at night. First thing in the morning, it's low light. All of a sudden, they see this black.

giant, because these things do get to like 43 feet long. Sure, yeah. And a 43-foot shark is a 50-foot shark. Come on. If you're a fish, of course, if you're a fisherman in a 15-foot boat, you know what I mean? Yeah. Anyway, these whale sharks, which are slow moving, you know, their eyes are on the side of their head, so they can't see directly in front of them are coming out of the dark in this murky green water, you know, low light, bumping into boats around whales because they're also eating zooplankton and krill. Fishermen are panicking and going, oh, demonio negro, and abelian negro and bailing out of there. Yeah.

And so my conclusion, and I could be wrong, but is that there is not a 50-foot demonic shark. There are 43-foot black whale sharks in low light that are bumping into boats because they do that and scaring fishermen. And it's perpetuated this legend that is just grown out of proportion. And so we went on this mission, found the whale sharks, and said, I think this is it. I mean, think about when you were a kid and you thought there could be a monster in your closet or a boogeyman. Yeah. Right, just because you had heard a story, right? You're not born with that in your fucking brain.

Of course not. You heard a story, you saw a movie, and for you, it's completely real. It's real. Take that one step further. Someone you really trust, or you had something in low light that's 40 plus feet. Bump into your tiny bow. Totally. And it's black.

Totally. And you've heard this story. It becomes real. And you're going to tell everyone you know that there is this real thing. It's absolutely real. We've talked about it many times on the podcast. This is how most of the cryptos. stories.

100%. It's a case of mistaken identity. Also, have you ever met an honest fisherman? No, that's a whole thing. I don't think I've ever met a fisherman. Well, I've seen Forrest and his, Johnny and his

spear fishing buddies, and I know how they photograph their catches. It's like out here. The camera's very close to the fish and very far from the human. That's what I mean. You've never seen an honest fisherman. So they're all, you know, every fish is bigger than it ever was

or more than it ever was. Peter, pull up a picture of a R-H-Y-S crocodile. So when you look at this, look at the head of it. It, you know, and they said that this was 28 feet long. Yep. Which would make it by leaps and bounds the largest crocodile ever. It would be just...

By like eight feet, basically. Yeah, it'd be like a 12-foot-tall human. Correct. The camera's very close to the head. They crouched down. Right? And you get this image of this absolute monster. I mean, something that went extinct a long time ago, you know?

Yeah. Oh, 100%. And it went around. And for years and years and years, people really believed, even though they never got to measure it, this must have been a 28-foot crock. Yeah. And it's because of just a very simple camera trick called Forst Perspective here. I can show you pictures of me holding up a fish that looks about 12 pounds as it is. Right.

And then me holding up that same fish, and you're like, that's a 40-pounder. Right. And that's why I'm well known in the spearfishing world. Well, it's also why, even though we're all pretty even here at the table, you look to be like, from Honey, I shrunk, The kids. I'm a very small, unstature person. And we're like,

my stature in general is tiny. People were asking from the first one, they were like, Pat's way bigger than we thought. I thought he was really meager. He's way bigger than for us. It's just that I'm a bit closer to the camera. And not much.

Yeah. It takes very little. You're also not a small person as much as we like to make that show. Peckable. So you got in the water, you swam with some whale sharks. Yeah, we got, oh man, it's crazy.

So all the sharks, this super cool journey. the boat, it was rough as shit out there. So we were like doing this like for like a week. Brutal. But yeah, Manta rays, dolphins. I had bottlenose dolphins wild ones swimming up to us like, underwater playing with us.

We got in and there was a feeding frenzy under our boat when we were at anchor. We got in at night. What kind of sharks? So everything. Basically what happened was we had lights on the water and in came like the flying, the zooplankton, then in came the flying fish to eat them. And then the dolphins and sharks came together. and it was just this crazy.

Holy shit. Yeah. And I jumped into my underwear because we were sleeping when it happened. And you just heard it? Like splashing over there? The captain goes, there's something under the boat and we like flip on the lights and it's just like, and I'm like, get in the water. So I'm like in my underarmor sleeping at night.

And then on Shark Week in front of four million people in my under armor and my tiny Schmeckle free diving with, you know, old Mikey D. This is his last shoot ever. Oh, yeah. And yeah, so it was, it was, it was crazy. It was crazy shoot, super cool, super fun. Both really fun adventures, both really fun shows. I love doing Shark Week.

People get old fired up. I love watching Shark Week. I don't watch the celebrity ones so much. No, I don't watch those much. But, yeah, but my buddy was the showrunner on the Brad Paisley one. That's right, I remember you call me. He was sending me photos. I saw Brad Paisley playing his electric guitar on the edge of a boat while some, like,

lemon sharks were had been in the water he did oh he did i guess he did a few different dives okay um yeah but he lives here santa barbara brad p brad piz who doesn't he lives here man i mean it's a it's a good i've seen i've seen brad paisley at the the fancy steakhouse that i've only been to a couple times luckies and he comes rolling in i'm like this is a weird town for a country music star dude so you go you catch a lot of lobster out in catalina right yeah how do you cook them what's your go to Hands down my favorite way. You take the whole lobster, split it long ways down the middle, so this way.

Okay. And then face down on the grill for like a minute, flip it over so it's on the shell, and then just slather it and butter and garlic and it cooks in the shell. On the grill, you said. On the grill. Yeah.

My buddy brought some New Zealand lobster tails over last night. And he made him, but that's pretty much exactly where he did. He split them down the middle. Yeah. It's great. You can't beat it. You can't beat it. It's so good.

I'm too low brow for lobster tail on the grill. Lobster, man. When's the last time you had a lobster, Peter? It's been, well, not in the form of a roll. Yes, correct. Let's treat you to a lobster sometimes. I think we should. Is there a good lobster house around here in Santa Barbara?

Yeah, my house. A lobster house. My house is the best lobster house. I like how you looked into the camera to say that. Let's go to the lobster. I've never gotten a lobster because it's legit, and I don't know if it's valid or not. The tanks always bothered me.

I just hate the way they're all taped up in there. Here's what we're going to do. All right, it's, it's. It's nearly August already. Yeah. Okay. October 1st, maybe third, I forget. Lobster season starts.

Okay. Mark my words, Brosners. I'm going to make these two fools go out with me for a night dive and make them catch their own lobster and we're going to film it. Do they bite? You know, here's the problem with that.

You and other people have told me stories about so first you get the lobster and then you stuff it in a sack and it's moving around. Buy your penis. Yeah. Moving around. Yep.

Still has its claws. Yeah. No clause. It's pretty safe for him. And it's dark. And it's dark. And it's dark. And then sharks come up because you've got a lobster.

Occasionally, not always. This is a nightmare. I'm not doing anything. Wait, in the dark? I'll go out on the boat, dude. Is there a light? Yeah, you have a little light. That's how you see it.

Yeah, because don't they go kind of catatonic when you shine the light? No, they take off. You got to swim after him grab. We're doing it. We're doing it. It's done. I have all the gear. Well, I mean, this is a boat. I have my boat here in Santa Barbara.

It's great. It's comfortable. There's a boat involved. Okay, I mean. There's a boat involved. I thought we just walked in from shore. You guys can just do the sitting and drinking. I can do the go catch the lobster.

We'll go and we'll do all that. On the boat. From the boat. Yeah. We'll go on the water. I'll film the whole thing for the bro's soon. You'll do the tech. Yeah.

The tech of the, all right, Peter, you're in charge of driving the boat. Let's see how that goes. Okay. Yeah. Do a boat? As long as I don't have to park it. When you went to Mexico, did you have an idea of what it was going to be? Yeah, I did.

You kind of thought, because it makes sense. I thought it was one of a couple things, you know, but I wanted to dig into it. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah. And then... I also thought it could be a manterey, you know? Yeah. 22-foot wingspan.

They've got horns like a devil. Okay. You know, but I just don't think, and we did discuss this in the show, I just don't think, you know, the fishermen that I know what a shark is. Yeah, of course. They know what a shark is. They know what a mantaray is. I don't think that they were mistaking the two. Right. Yeah.

Which of the two did you have more fun shooting? The Mantares. Yeah? Zero question. I mean, I don't know if you have a photo of it in that folder or not, but I've got these pictures and images. If not, you can go to my Instagram. I put one up the other day.

I think this is it. I think I know what a Manta ray is. Yep. Look how big that is, man. They're so fucking cool. Beautiful, like, elegant. They swam up to us. There were two swimming together at one time.

It's just amazing. And also, the best part of that whole shoot, not to take away from any of the adventure or anything, So we got to go to those islands that I mentioned, the Revia Hijitos. They call it Mexico's Galapagos. It's where two currents meet. There's a super high level of endemism. It is the most perfect marine environment I've ever seen.

We're literally on a reef and there's walls of elephant tuna swimming around 400-pound fish, like right in front of us on a reef. It's just like perfect. It's like the ocean was before people interfered with it. It was amazing. Like what about the Great Barrier Reef? I loved it. It doesn't even hold a candle to it. Now, the reef at the Great Barrier Reef is 100 times more interesting.

Like, the reef's more colorful, it's more beautiful. But as far as, like, abundance of fish and fish life and just healthiness of any... By the way, Great Barrier Reef's not very healthy. I know. It's like the coral's all dying. It's all bleaching. Like, it's beautiful still, but it's not in good shape. This place is pristine.

I mean, just perfect. But the... So why is the Great Barrier Reef so fucked up? Yeah, it's a good question. So it's a shallow reef, okay? Okay, so it's incredibly susceptible to UV radiation. Okay. Sunlight is a good thing for coral reef.

It creates photosynthesis, it gets to grow. Too much sunlight to warm a sea surface temperature, so on, and the shift gets out of, it gets out of shift, and then things die. So you get coral bleaching effect. So the sun is too strong, the water is too warm, it's not good for the reef. All of a sudden it starts to bleach, then it starts to die, kind of in the reverse order, still. And then, yeah, big chunks of the reef die. Is this because there's a hole in the ozone?

Yeah. Okay. And Australia is particularly bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, with their UV radiation. Yeah. And of course, that's part of global warming and part of, you know, the planet being polluted. Dude, I've read some, you know, I don't have it in front of me, but I think it's almost 50% of Australian adults will get some sort of skin cancer. Yeah, it's very high rate because of the ozone situation. Well, yeah, I mean, if you look at, I'm going to fuck this up because this is not my field,

but if you look at like the world's wind patterns, basically all the shit blows over Australia on a global scale and that burns through the ozone. Right, it's not their fault because they're one of the most eco-friendly countries in the world. Wasn't the, the ozone was like over the Arctic or something forever. They're like it's over the whole world. No, I know. But like when we first started hearing about it, it was, it was like, yeah, the hole is over the Arctic over there. And I was like, how is the hole over the Arctic?

And it has to do with, I think, what you're saying, the patterns of the way the wind blows the shit around. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, Great Barrier Reef is very beautiful. It's definitely kind of fucked. You know, the nice thing about the revs where we went, it's a cold water reef. So it's not, there are sea fans and pretty reef and stuff, but it's not being as affected as these shallow tropical reefs that are they're just succumbing to overheating, basically.

Yeah, yeah. I put a cactus out in the sun the other day. It's a fucking cactus. What happened? Nearly destroyed it. I'm just like, it turned all hard and weird on the inside. It burned it. It's a cactus that apparently can only grow in like a window.

There's weird shit going on around Southern California, man. It's so... Ticks on the beach? You hear about this? Yeah. Ticks on the beach. Do they have Lyme disease too? It's a new thing.

We haven't had it before. It's here. Well, most the mosquitoes, we didn't have any. mosquitoes now we're overrun with mosquitoes. I keep hearing. Do ticks live in the fucking sand? They're not supposed to. Well, they can live basically anywhere mammals can live because they latch onto a

mammal and so on and so forth. But that's it. You're not supposed to have ticks on the beach. You're not supposed to have ticks on the beach. No more beach. We didn't used to have ticks. We didn't used to have mosquitoes. Now we got both the fruit fire. Cactuses. Don't even buy fruit right now around here. It's fucked, man. Like the sun

out here in California, I've been here for 10 years, Southern California. The is like, it'll be 75 in the shade. You go on the sun, it's like 140. Like, it's insane. I'm like, what's happening here? Like, I can't even walk around unless it's in shade. Dude, try going to the Galapagos, dude.

I've never felt. That sun was crazy. I'd never felt anything like that, man. I mean, that was like... If you had any skin exposed, it was, like, instant. You were literally like, oh, it's bubbling up. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

That's what's happening here. It's a lot worse by the equator. Yes, it is happening here. In 10 years? It's coming this way, man. It's, dude, what a mess. Anyway, Shark Week. It's big.

It's fun. We made a couple great shows. I'm sure we'll make more in the future. Nothing's lined up yet, but, you know, it just ended. Yeah, well, some of the behind-the-scenes stuff is fun. Give me your, what's the best thing that happened that the cameras didn't catch from one of those two shoots? Oh, dude. Oh, dude.

Oh, the orcas. Yeah, the orcas. In Alaska, this story is amazing. The orcas were insane. Yeah. So we got most of this on film, but basically we're out, we're in this little skiff. It's just me and the core guys. Me, Mark, Mitch, Johnny, JQ, and our audio guy.

Nobody else. So six guys packed into a skiff. Six, yeah, six guys in a bathtub, basically. Okay. There's a reason why you were in the skiff. Yeah, we were just surveying. We were just out cruising around. We were doing some drinking.

Okay, because I thought there was an issue with the lodge owner not letting you take a boat out. Oh, God. Yeah. Okay. I can get into that a little bit. Basically, the guy who ran the place where we... Yeah, because this is good behind the scenes. True, true.

A lot of our person who probably watched your shark weeks. Yeah, true. And they don't get to know the fun of dealing with the people that we get to deal with. Anyway, the guy who ran the lodge was a nice enough guy. He was also a guy from, I believe, Kansas, who in the summertime runs a diving, sort of, not really diving, but a fishing lodge in Alaska. Sure. Which means he's terrified of the ocean because he's from Kansas. Okay.

Okay. Literally, like, that same gust of wind I talked about earlier, like the P would come up. And he'd be like, we got to get back. back to shore, we got to get back to shore. I'm like, we're going to sound. It's protected on four sides. It's like being in a puddle. That's what I'd be like. Yeah, anyway, so he was just just nerve-racked dude. He was a nice enough guy, but he was super nervy and very, and he was by himself. He was running a whole crew of people. There wasn't a single helper there. So he was massively overwhelmed. So he wouldn't go out when we wanted to go out. He wouldn't do this. So after like three

days of us basically like fighting with him about like, hey, we need to do this now. Like, this isn't a tourist operation where you, you know, two hours in the morning, go back for lunch, two hours in the afternoon, you're done. Right. You know what it's like. We're like 18 hours a day. Go, go, go. Yeah.

Anyway, after three days of like fighting with the guy over how much more time we need, he's basically so frustrated he threw the skiff keys at me. And he's like, here, just take the boat. Don't die. And I'm like, perfect. So we didn't have the big boat. We just had this little tiny metal like tin boat. Yeah.

And anyway, we're out one night. It's like, you know, first of all, we see a fin way in the distance. We're like, shark? Like, you know, way in the distance, so fly the drone, nothing. So we're like, let's hop in the dinghy. We've all got a beer, whatever, head out. And we're looking for that fin. And all of a sudden, we're just out there.

There's not a single person in the sound but us. I mean, it's, you know, and the Prince William sounds as size of San Francisco Bay. It's huge. Yeah, that's huge. It's dead silent. You know, it's now like 11 o'clock, 1130 at night, but the sun's still up because it's Alaska in the summertime. lights out, it's beautiful soft light, and we're cruising in this dinghy,

and you just hear, and we look, and it's like, big bull orca with these two cows, another orca in the distance here, another orca there. The orcas, for the first time that year, are moving into the sound to chase the salmon, and it's not one or two orcas.

I mean, you can see, I'm getting goosebumps talking about it. There are 50 orcas around us, all culminating in this bay together, and they're all going to the end of the bay, which is like a choke point. So we're going, you know, full speed in this little dinghy

out to the end of the bay, catch up to the end, shut the engine off, and they just all 50 from all direction, orcas just come in. They're under the boat going sideways,

looking up at us with their big eye, they're puffing. You can see the matriarch. You can see the big bulls. They're all, they've just all come in together and they follow the sand.

We literally just sit there in absolute awe of this magical moment for like three hours. Lernerous potts came to. All together. Yeah. Like, like eight, 10 family groups all came together in the end of this bay. We didn't have our dive gear.

It was back. You know, we'd driven the dinghy way further than you should ever drive a dinghy, like back at camp and blah, blah, blah. So we didn't dive. We just sat in the boat and we're just like, oh, my God. Yeah. It's amazing. Droned it, though, right?

Got some good drone shots. Got some good drone shots. The guys, you know, they all had their cameras. I was like, like, we filmed for like 30 minutes. I was like, we got it. They couldn't put their cameras down. They just couldn't do it. They could not separate from them.

Well, it's a bucket list. thing. I mean, it's still probably top of my bucket list animal I've never seen in the wild. Yeah. It's amazing. It's so funny because Forest was like, dude, you got to come, you got to come. I was begging you to come. And it was in the budget for me to go and just I had another shoot or something. Yeah, you did. You had another project. And it just kills me now because that's like, yeah, it's one of my favorite parts of the world. It's a once in a lifetime thing that happened there. Yeah. It was amazing, man. It was incredible. Like we all had goosebumps. The, the audio engineer dropped the, the hydrophone in, the underwater microphone.

And he's like, he's like sitting there just like, he's a quiet guy, is John Rondano, super cool dude. Yeah. And he's just sitting there in signs, he's like, Forest. You know what he's like? Yeah.

You got to listen to this. Yeah. And I'm like, sure, John has, you know, me and my like, fucking puts my headphones on and I'm just like, just like the relaxing sounds of the whale. It's like if you paid for the best,

you know, those like put me to sleep songs, you know, and you hear the whale, like, you know, and it's just like perfect. It's all crisp. It's not a recording, so it's not shitty.

It's just the live feed. There's not a boat within 200 miles with their engine on. So all you hear are the orcas. I mean, it was amazing. Yeah. Dude,

I remember in Vietnam one day, we'd just gotten out of the cave. It was like our one night to go out. We went out and did all sorts of crazy stuff. Did we? And our sound guy, come back. Everyone's back at the lodge.

I go to bed. Wake up like two or three hours later to take a piss. So I just kind of like open the door to my thing. Yeah. And he's just sitting there. He's got his headphones on. And his fucking boom just pointed at the, at the jungle.

Yeah. And I'm like, what is he doing? Because the sun's now up. Right. And I just walk over and he's drunk and shit. And he's like, dude, you got to listen to this. Bro. I couldn't hear anything with my regular ears.

I put it on. Just a cacophony of my. monkeys. Yeah. Yeah. And you could just hear monkeys in all directions. I'm a little bit of goosebumps here, man. I got to, I got to get out to some, like, I'm happy just camping in the woods or like in the desert even just because of kind of like you hear a little bit, but like it's, it's mostly silent. And in the woods, you'll hear like little stuff. But stuff that, stuff like that is, uh, would be epic for a simple man like me to experience, you know? Yeah, it'd be good for you. Yeah. We got to do some stuff. Well, dude, this is a fun behind.

the scenes for Shark Week. It's a different look. Yeah, a little different, a little different vibe, a little different tone. I mean, I know people love Shark Week. I think this is a great insight into some of the, because you did so much on these two episodes. Yeah, there's a lot of shit that you just talked about.

Where I'm like, it's awesome. And look, I'm really good friends with like 50% of the Shark Week hosts. Yeah. We can have some of those guys on. We can talk Shark Week. I think Brosners, let us know if you guys want more shark-related content, let us know. We'll get some of the Shark Week guys on.

We'll get Riley Elliott, Tristan Gutteridge, any of those guys that are known in the shark world, can come on and chat with us on the pot if we want. Totally. Yeah. Hit up at the Spiceman on Instagram with those requests. What should people do? Well, you know where to go to get the podcast is the Wild Times Podcast. com forward slash info if you want to just get to the place with all their links.

No, I can't do that and speak at the same time. Are you insane? That would be so cool. It just like popped up. When we have, when we have W.T. Willie back at the helm, we'll do that. That's fair. Guys, Patreon, we love you. You've made this studio possible.

We officially hit a million Patreon subscribers. I know, it's crazy. One cent each. We'll never take a dollar out of it. Just to do more shit. Yeah, you get the bonus pods there. This one has been fun, gentlemen. Yeah, baby.

I should keep yammering while I find the... Take us out, you son of a bitch. Do the sound thing. I'm telling you. Otherwise, I'll just do shark sounds until we get there. Just keep talking. No, you fucked us. It's okay.

It's unbelievable. Here we go. You guys ready? Plop. Nope. Plop. Oh, it's great. Nope.

Oh, there we go.