Wild Times: Wildlife Education - TWT #97 - The Casual Geographic King, @mndiaye_97 Joins!

Episode Date: June 27, 2022

Joining The Wild Times Pod this week is the popular social media star Mamadou Ndiaye AKA @mndiaye_97 AKA  @Casual Geographic   AKA Hood Nature. Mamadou talks to Forrest, Patrick and Retep about how Mamadou got started on his social media journey, what it's like to be "the TikTok animal guy", Mamadou's bucket list animal experiences, and his new book coming out July 5th!   Preorder @mndiaye_97 new book now: https://www.amazon.com/100-Animals-That-Can-cking/dp/0316453773   Enjoy, brosteners! TWT #97 - The Breakdown 00:00 - Introducing iNat Chat, a new segment with Drew Kanes and Dom Allianelli 00:32 - Intro 1:02 - Introducing TWT & Mamadou (Casual Geographic, @mnyiaye_97, hood nature) 2:36 - How Mamadou and Forrest first met 3:00 - Who is Mamadou Ndiaye? 3:40 - How did Mamadou get started on TikTok? 6:00 - What was Mamadou's first animal video? 7:47 - How young people consume new media 9:00 - Forrest breaks down Mamadou's content 10:22 - Is Mamadou excited to be "the animal TikTok guy"? 11:27 - What it was like going to school for Mamadou 13:22 - National Geographic's The Last Tepui  14:45 - Mamadou's bucket list animal experiences 15:40 - Africa vs. Australia  17:38 - Will Mamadou be going into the field? 18:30 - Forrest's jaguar video in the Pantanal  20:44 - How Mamadou makes his videos 21:13 - The guys pitch Mamadou their TV show ideas 26:57 - Killing off Mitch the camera guy on Extinct or Alive 28:10 - Karen the Alligator  32:18 - Mamadou's most-watched videos 33:16 - Whales Spy Hopping 35:50 - Free Willy 5 37:48 - How Mamadou deals with haters 43:00 - Forrest's son is an animal 44:50 - Mamadou's new book! 48:05 - Forrest has a death wish  49:35 - Battle Royale!!! 1:03:54 - Battle Royale Recap 1:05:19 - Mamdou's socials 1:06:13 - iNat Chat teaser 1:07:05 - Outro iNat Chat #1  1:07:37 - Intro to iNat Chat 1:08:46 - Caecilians 1:12:47 - Jumping Spider 1:18:42 - Snowy Owl 1:24:00 - Outro Leave a review on iTunes Apple Podcast: https://thewildtimespodcast.com/itune...  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wildtimespod/  Official Website: https://thewildtimespodcast.com/  Info: https://thewildtimespodcast.com/info  Merch: https://thewildtimespodcast.com/merch  Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/wildtimespod  

What's up, Brozners, Retep here. Stick around after today's episode for a new segment we're going to be releasing where Loyal Brosner, Drew Keynes and his co-host, Dom, are going to be breaking down some pictures that have been uploaded to our I-Naturalist by fellow Brosners. And they will be given science facts and quips about these amazing finds that you guys have been uploading to our I-naturalist project. So stick around for that after the show, premiering. Then those are going to be released weekly. Hope you like it. See you then. Wild Times. Is that what you do in the jingle place? Yeah, that's my real jingle dance. Woo! Here we go. Episode number 97 of the Wild Times podcast, the biggest podcast in the world.

The only podcast that is bigger than Impulsive and Joe Rogan combined. It's incredible what numbers we're doing these days. Thank you to both our brosters that are listening to this for making us get all the way there. I've got a fun guest tonight. But before we do that, we'll do the regular old introduction. If you don't know by episode number 97, you got a lot of catching up to do. I am your host, the broologist, Forrest Galante. Joining me tonight is the one and only broducer, the Spiceman, Patrick DeLuca himself.

How you doing, Pat? Doing great. Super excited about this one. Let's go. I can tell by your low monotone. That sounds awesome. I just want to get through these introductions so we can start hanging out with our guests. We're doing it.

doing it. It's part of podcasting. Shut up. He's already grim. Oh, my God. Well, it sounds like it's going to be a night for the Professor and I to gang up on the Broducer. Is the one and only PhD in podcasting, Mr. Peter Fitzer. How you doing, Peter? I'm good. I'm sweating through my shirt because I spent a whole bunch of time trying to set up the sound effects, but not working. Also, Pat, you look beautiful today. Don't be a curmudgeon. Now to the important guest. Peter, never admit that you're sweating through your shirt. Nobody knows. Dude, it's kind of sexy. It's not.

I would have thought it was part of the design. See? See? Yeah, exactly. Edit. Kyle, edit. No, no Kyle for that. All right.

And finally, introducing our guest, the king of brocial media. See what I did there? Mommadu himself. Welcome to the podcast, sir. Hey, man, I'm glad to be here. Thanks for reaching out. And that was a smooth flex of the beginning. I don't think I didn't catch that. That was slick. I like that. You like that? That's what's up, dude. Well, welcome to the Wild Times. It's great to have you. I know you and I have, we've messaged back and forth for what, like a year and a half, two years now. You know, I know you've commented on some of my videos, which is fun, like reposted them and done that. But if anybody doesn't know who you are, give us a background on everything that you have. I mean, you're spreading a lot of pretty awesome content on the internet about wild.

Like explain what you're doing to people, please. Basically, I'm kind of just an internet zoologist. I make these videos about these animal fact videos. I try to be educational. I try to be entertaining and try to leave people with something to take away from it while also making them laugh. I've been doing this for about two years now, mostly on TikTok. I've also branched out to Instagram and YouTube.

And yeah, that's pretty much it. My videos are pretty formulaic. I just have the green screen in the background. And I just talk and people listen. And it's been going pretty well. What got you started, like, did it start by being like, hey, I'm super into animals? So let me see if I can like make something work teaching people about animals. Or did it start like, I kind of want to make an online business.

What's a good topic? Like, how did you get there? We're going to have to start the whole art. So originally, I'll try not to make it too long. But long as you want, baby. Yeah. How long do we have? So basically, I went to college for environmental science, which surprisingly has very little to do with animals.

Not a whole lot of overlap there. I had like one ecology course. So that always surprises people. So I graduated in 2019 and I started working in environmental management, which, and a lot of our work was based in New York. A certain thing happened in 2020 that kind of cut most of that. And yeah, I had already started. I was only there for about two or three months, and I was still well within the training phase,

and they cut a lot of our work down. So obviously they cut our work down. I'm one of the new guys there. I was the youngest, both in terms of how long it was there, and obviously age. And I'm still, like, in the training phase. So if I have to go out somewhere, they're going to have to bring somebody with me,

so they're paying, like, two guys for one job. So I saw the writing on the wall. And I always say this, because it's always funny how things lined up. I downloaded TikTok April 15th of 2020, And I was officially like let go the very next day from that company. No way. Oh shit. It was meant to be, man.

Swear to God. I swear to God. And I, I downloaded TikTok the way everyone else did. I said it was as a joke, but I didn't really have anything better to do. And then the very next day, I found that I really didn't have anything better to do. Yeah, that's when I posted my first video. It's still up there. And it has absolutely nothing to do with animals.

And, yeah, what you asked how I, like, she said. shifted into the animal content. It was supposed to just be a one-off video. And I remember the time it was supposed to be animals that are way bigger than you think. Mostly because I saw that first video. Oh, yeah, yeah. If you scroll all the way down, wonder how long that would take. It's basically just this, like, stupid, like a Tinder video or something.

I thought that was like anything. Broke in with Tinder. I mean, dude, that's basically a zoo. Come on. That's true. Oh, yeah, pretty much. All times of wildlife on there. But, yeah, no, I saw that, uh, I'm not,

trying to make too many video references, but have you ever seen that video of the moose walking next to the car? Of course. Yeah. I'm freaking the fuck out because it was like, holy shit. Yeah. I was going to say we brought it up on this podcast like 94 episodes ago and showed it and talked about it. So yeah, no, we definitely know it. Yeah. So I saw then. I was like, you know what? I thought I knew a lot about animals. I was like, I forgot how a bunch of a problem moose are. So then I made the video, animals way bigger than you think. I didn't really expect it to like go off the way it did. But, you know, I just, that went there. I did another part. How many views did that first moose video get? I mean, or animals that are bigger than you expect.

Something about a couple hundred thousand, which was like huge for me at the time. I think since then it's obviously broken a billion. So I just did it again and did it again. And I remember even at one point I said, I'm really just going to do this until y'all stop watching it. And then I shifted to like other animal videos. And again, at this point, I'm, I'm like bored and unemployed. I have nothing better to do. So I can just pump out videos like nothing. Right.

So like, yeah, I kind of blew up from then. I think I joined TikTok at like the perfect time. Everyone was like in quarantine. Everyone was bored. No one had anything better to do. And yeah, like the growth was like really explosive. Like I downloaded it in April. I started the animal videos probably like early, early June, late May.

and then like I hit like maybe half a million than a million and then it kind of just went from there. I don't remember what point it was that I figured this would be like a career. I was kind of just like just going with it. Yeah. When we when we got on TikTok, all of our listeners made fun of us. Yeah. It's like they refused to get on and then finally a bunch of them came over and now they're on there. So hopefully anyone under the age of 20 consumes no other media.

Like I have an 18-year-old nephew and he thinks I'm like a clown because I watch TV. And these are the people that every advertiser in the world wants to target. Like I'm fucking 41. Apparently I don't spend any money because I'm way out of the target demo. Everyone wants 18 to 25-year-olds because they spend apparently a shitload of money. But they don't have any money. It doesn't make any sense. I don't know.

Over the lifetime. Dude. between the ages of 18 and 25, I think I had a total of $700 for that entire amount of years. Like, what the fuck? That doesn't make any sense. I know. The rationale is if you pay for cable, you're already a lost cause. Yeah.

I don't think anyone does that anymore. Yeah, they're like, you're dumb. You're paying for cable. You are not our demo. You'd think the opposite, though, because that would lead to you thinking that you're an unintelligent, you're fiscally irresponsible if you're buying cable these days. Well, Forrest and I fucked up. We're in the wrong industry.

and we'll be begging Mamadu for a job in six months. Yeah, we'll ride that ship all the way to the bottom of the ocean. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Dude, you know what? You have done social media right. And that's what's amazing here because so there's so much wildlife media out in the world, right? Like from the Attenborough pieces, which nothing against anybody to all these other types of media.

Yours is funny. It's highly entertaining. It's short and you come out of there going, holy shit, I just learned three things in 15 seconds. And it gets millions of views. And that's what's crazy to me. Like, you know, Patrick and I will spend a mill, not like we have this money, but we'll spend a million dollars of the network's money to make an hour long thing or two hour long things or whatever it is. And 200,000 people watch it, 400,000 people if we're lucky. And then you put out a 15 second thing of you going, holy shit, check out this cheetah can run this fast.

and 14 million people watch it. And I'm, like, that's incredible. That has so much more impact and reach than anything else. I don't know. I'm just blown away by what you're able to do. That's basically why you got into the industry to begin with in TV is to make an impact and get people to understand about the, you know, conservation and these extinct animals and everything.

So is it fair to say that you failed? I would say so. Yeah, at this point, I would say that's a good, accurate depiction. Go ahead. I was going to say, so like, now that you're kind of, I mean, I'm sure you're,

I know you post other stuff, but like a lot of, you know, you have millions of followers that obviously love the animal content. Are you, obviously, you went for environmental science and stuff. Like, are you excited to be kind of the TikTok animal guy?

Definitely. I feel like a five-year-old bee was seeing what I was doing now, he'd be really excited. Yeah. Originally, I didn't think, there was a lane for like somebody with an interest in animals to like have a career that wasn't involved in like being a vet or something there were in a whole like obviously you see Steve Irwin and the coyote petersons but you look at that as like an anomaly not really something

that's like attainable just for like the average person so I think I kind of played it safe with the whole environmental science thing so the fact that I'm able to do this now something I'm legitimately like interested in it that's why people look at me crazy when I used to say I would like post four or five times a day. Like to me, it didn't really feel like work because like half of it, like the researching and stuff, I'll probably do it on my own anyway because I was always interested in that. And then like just making people laugh. Yeah, I was that kid in class that wouldn't shut up and it would be on my like report card.

Like that I, you know, this is just a side right. I always hated that. I was I was a solid A, B student. But then all it would take is that one comment like has trouble stay like staying quiet or something like walks too much. And it would just fuck everything up. Yeah. Yeah, like now you're in trouble and you're like, what about the six A's? So these are the people that you, Forrest, you and Pat always complain about who are the ones that never go in the field, his teachers, I'm saying, are the ones that never go in the field and do any of the research.

They just, like, complain about everybody else's research and behavior. Yes and no. Yeah, I see what you were trying to do. It's a good, good try to joke there, Peter. It wasn't a joke. I was being dead serious. Well, no, I know what you mean. I think what Patrick and I complain about are the people that never go into the field that call themselves experts at things. As far as, like, academics and scientists that have never seen the shark that we're literally filming or, you know, the skeleton that's being dug up and they've just written papers about it.

I think that's a little bit different to Mamadu spreading information to millions and millions of people about animals. All right. Whatever. It's different. F off. No, what I'm saying is that the teacher, him getting reported for the behavior is akin to you guys getting shit for researching the field because they're annoyed and jealous kind of. I'm sorry. I'm not clear all the time.

Forgive me. No, you're too sweaty to be coherent. Listen, I feel great. Do you not have air conditioning anymore? Why is he sweaty indoors? I told you, I was running around the fucking house all day trying to get some shit set up for this. you know, and I'm obese, you know. According to them, I'm clinically obese, all right?

By the way, did you guys, have any of you guys seen? I just watched this week. So National Geographic relaunched their Explorer series on Disney Plus, and it's like pretty fucking epic. Like they're spending real, real money. They're making like four a year. They're dope, man. I just watched this one called The Last Tapui.

Okay. It's awesome. So it's this field, biologist named Bruce Means, who's like probably 70 and like not the most nimble in shape guy. And there's these things in the Amazon called Tapuis. They're like these huge rock cliffs that stick up. They're straight fucking vertical.

And then there's a jungle on top. And Bruce means this was like his last thing he wants to do before he's too old to do fieldwork is explore the top of this one, Tapuie, to look for fucking new species. And so, yeah, and so they basically trek through this Amazon jungle, dude. I mean, no joke, it's like a 20-day trek through fucking mud. It's so brutal looking. And then Alex Honnold, the guy who made Free Solo. Yeah, I see him there.

Climes this shit and basically figures out a way to lift the 70-year-old guy up this thing to look for new species. It's epic. Holy crap. Wow. I got to check that out. Yeah, that's amazing. That's really cool. So it leads me to a question, though, for our guest.

So Mammadoo. I figured. So this was Bruce means he's 70. You're a young man. What's your, like, number one bucket list animal experience, wildlife experience that you've never had that's like your top thing if someone just gave you a million bucks to go do an expedition or something like that? I have two things. One, I want to go on like a safari in Africa to actually experience that.

That's always been the landscape I wanted to like experience in person. And two, I want to go to Australia and just see. what type of fuckery I can find in there. It's like one of the running jokes on my channel, Australia is like just a whole other level. I want to go there. Yeah. You got to link up with, uh,

Randy. Andrew Euckels. Oh, BTG, yeah. BTG, man. The craziest Aussie you'll ever meet. I mean, it's the old running joke about how everything in Australia

just has 10 ways of killing you. Yeah. It's so ridiculous. So, Forrest, you've spent a lot of time there. I mean, like, Is it true? Is Australia the place where everything wants to kill you? I've said this before, and I always get hate for it,

but I'm going to say it again because I like the hate. Everybody, all Australians think, like, oh, you know, don't come here. Everything's so brutal. It's so tough down here. It's like, fuck off, you soft little Ozzy. He's like, go to Africa. Everything there can actually kill you. Like Australia, you got like a couple spiders, a couple snakes, and a bad jellyfish, right?

The rest is like kangaroos and rabbits. It's like, fuck off. Go to Africa, man. Like, we got the snakes. We got the spiders. Plus about 15 things that weigh more than you that want to eat you and can run you over. And I've always said that as an African who most of my friends, when we left Zimbabwe went to Australia. And they're like, yeah, this place sucks.

Like, it's not. It's like you read all this stuff about how crazy it is. Now, that being said, the animals in Australia are just so unique. I know where that reputation comes from. And I understand that stigma. But you want to put your tail between your legs. go on a walking safari. It's a lot scarier than cruise around the outback.

It's getting a spider run by. Yeah. I was right about to say, I think that's what gets people. It's just the fact that everything is so, just in Australia, they're so creative with the ways they kill you. Obviously,

you look at a lion or a hyena. You know what it could do to you. And then you look at a platypus. You wouldn't think that it could fuck your entire month up, but like, one, like, hit a bed. That's a very good point. And yeah, everything there is.

so venomous. That's what's crazy, too. And they don't look, a lot of it doesn't look venomous. Like, a lot of Australian snakes look benign and they're, like, incredibly deadly. Like, if you just saw it come across, it's not like it has a diamond-shaped head, like a viper everywhere else in the world or anything. You're like, oh, this just looks like a, you know, boring brown house snake that we have all over Southern Africa and you pick it up and it's a brown snake and you're dead in 30 seconds. And I think that that is what has led to a lot of that reputation. So, So, MamaDue, let me ask you this. Is that like the next step in your evolution of, because like you have, you're at the top

of your field in like content creation for TikTok and spreading awareness with casual geographic and that thing. Are you going to go and film in the field? Is that something you're thinking about doing? That is definitely something I'm thinking about in the future. Like right now I've been trying to just see how far I can take this social media thing. It's a huge springboard for other opportunities. For sure.

But obviously, it's not something you're going to do like forever. It's not to end all be all. I think the, I guess the ultimate goal would be to be able to do what I'm doing, but actually be out in the field because there's only so much you can really convey when you're just in front of a green screen. If you're out there being able to explain things as they're happening, I think that's when you're really going to be able to make that connection to people. Bro, my entire livelihood is explaining things while they're happening.

And actually, here we go. Here's what we're going to do. Kyle, go to Mamadu's page. It might even be pinned and pull up the video that I, I know you're going. I'm going to find it right now because I know what you're talking about. Yeah. The Cayman getting dragged up the bank by the Jaguar.

And I put it up and we're not going to compare videos because it's way too embarrassing for me. But I put it up and like, check this out. This is cool. And then Momadu throws it up and it's like, man, this badass motherfucker is doing this and doing this. And it's just like it's so much better than the way I did it. And it just went bonkers on your page, right? I wouldn't say better. But actually, I found it right there.

So if you like type in my username and then put Jaguar, it's like the first thing that comes up. There you go. Kyle, pull that up. It is very funny. Well, Forrest, you know, there's something to be said for, I can teach you how to hammer a nail. I can't teach you how to be Brad Pitt. You know, there's just a certain amount of charisma that you're never going to learn. I'm trying, dude. I go to the phone all the time. Like, it's just, but it's not happening. Oh, it's the music, too. Come on. Yeah, it's time we talk about just how much about fucking.

joke jaguars are. First of all, Jaguars would regularly clad Kaman by going into the water and drag up by their teeth like a disobedient child. And that's because Jaguars do something that no other big cat does. Because wild lions, tigers, and leopards put their prey out of their misery by biting the neck,

Jaguars apparently watched endgame and go directly for the head. Which is to be the canemans' because this walking by script has the strongest bite of any cat, that means it puts the Kaman in a coffin by biting through its skull and pierced against walnut-sized brain. Oof. After the Jaguar cancels his life subscription,

he'll then manhandle the Kaman out of the water. Just for the record, Kaman can grow to weigh away, hundreds of pounds. It's like deadlifting and washing machine, but only using your teeth. Think about it like this. Leopards are strong enough to lift and carry their victims into the trees where they can eat them without having to pay taxes to lions or hyenas. Jaguars are literally everything leopards are on steroids and the good kind too. I don't know why to get that shot in there.

It's funny. Jesus. Because they can climb building a wall ain't about a douche. Jaguars are a cheat code that God forgot to patch. Do you write that before you? I was just going to ask if he writes them before or not. I'm going to ask the same thing. These days since I like make so many and I try to like stay on schedule,

I'll write like a general like guideline just so I hit all the points I want to hit on. Right. Without like rambling on. But a lot of the jokes like the deadlifting a washing machine, that just kind of like hits me while I'm recording. And then I'll stop. I was like, wait, that was kind of funny. do that one. I'll keep that one in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a lot of it's like spur in the moment.

Dude, you, have you ever done like stand-up comedy? Like, I'm pitching you a new business right here, okay? Can we, can we do the, can we do the pitch it game with MamaDoo? Sure. Fuck yeah, dude. Okay, all right, Mamadu, here's how the game works. We do this every once in a while. You are the talent, okay? But you're the highest, most sought-after talent in North America. Okay? Now, Peter, owns a terrible network. Patrick owns a dying cable channel, and I own big streaming service one, which is Netflix.

No, I'm just kidding. We're all executives at different networks. Here's what we're going to do. With ego on this guy. Here's what we're going to do. We are going to pitch you a concept. And at the end of each of our pitches, you have to accept one of them as the next thing that you're going to do after social media.

You ready? Oh, shit. I want him to pitch one. No. Now I got to come up with one. Nope. You go first, because you've got your idea already. I've got mine.

All right, Mama, do, listen, thank you so much for coming into Big Studio 1. It's a pleasure to have you here. Obviously, your reputation precedes you. We sincerely appreciate everything you've done on social media. Now, I know from previous conversations with my assistant that you have expressed an interest in traveling into the field. But here's the thing. The field's dead. Nobody's doing that anymore.

Okay, nobody travels. COVID whatnot. Budgets are shrinking. So here's what I'd like you to do, okay? as this hot, incredible talent, I'm suggesting a 12-part stand-up special. Okay? Think Netflix comedy stand-up special, except you're just doing animal jokes. Okay, you write them yourself, you can have visual aids.

It's like a Tosh.0 meets Dave Chappelle. Okay, you got visuals, you got the jokes, and you just get up there and you rip on the microphone. Will you sign with me without hearing any of the other offers? I have to do the other offers first. It's smart. He's a good business. That would just be bad business. Netflix just offering a stand-up special.

What else is new? That's sort of a multimedia thing. I see it. Yeah, it's nice. All right, Momadu, thanks for meeting with me. I know Forrest said that my cable network's dying. Our ratings have never been higher. We're very popular with people over 60.

And so here's what I'd like to do. I want to really think outside the box. That's what we do here at this network. I'd like you to visit 12 different countries. We're going to do a 12 episode series. In each country, what we're going to do is we're going to shoot sort of like a Blair Witch style found footage film of you on an animal expedition. Equal parts, sort of funny, but you're also in the field showing some cool stuff. But here's the trick.

At the end of each episode, you get brutally much. mauled and killed by an animal. And it's sort of like the South Park thing with Kenny. It's hilarious. Obviously, you won't get hurt. We'll have stunt doubles. But the end of every episode, you get to pick which animal kills you and how it'll be hilarious, it'll be terrifying. It's going to make a big splash. Good. That's a tough pitch to beat. Yeah, I mean, just know that working with that company is very tough. It's hard. They're very demanding. a lot of ego in there. So, listen, thanks for coming in.

I mean, I'm aware of your celebrity on TikTok. We want you to come onto our local cable channel. And what we're thinking about is a... Have you ever seen Wayne's World? No, I haven't. Have you ever seen Between Two Ferns with Zach Gellifeneckis? I feel like I'm showing my age right now. No, no, I haven't.

Okay. Yeah. Well, you are. And Peter's showing here, by the way. Keep going. Well, so, imagine you and a fat-bearded guy sitting on a couch in somebody's basement. And we bring in just small animals from around the town. It could be lizards, worms, birds.

And, you know, you talk about them, interestingly. And the fat guy makes jokes. What do you think? You in? You in? Peter. Wow. Interesting.

That's great pitch. all around. Thank you. No, don't tell him that that was a great pitch. Don't build them up. I can't burn the bridge completely. I don't know what the,

I don't know what, am I needed him in the future? Thank you. I appreciate that. Good business. Good business. I will say this. I think,

so basically I get the stand-up thing a lot. And I think what my thing is, is that I'm at my funniest when people don't expect me to be funny if that makes sense. Love that, dude. Obviously, if I'm in front of a,

like a stage and they're like tell jokes. I'm like, oh shit. I am going to stutter my ass off. It's going to be bad. But I think it's the fact that I like, I kind of frame myself as like an educator. It's like I'm trying to teach you something. But then I make some of the most out of pocket things that obviously that's why I wouldn't ever be like a teacher in a school. So I think it's that kind of thing. Also, it's the monotone voice by expression barely ever changes. It's like you subvert expectations and like just floor people. So the spice bun, I think we, I think we got something there because it can be like 20 minutes of straight educational content. And then out of nowhere, I bear just comes and just rocks me like completely go to credits.

And I love that concept. All right. We'll send you over a check tonight. It's a great idea. Random question. I'm allowed to curse, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Awesome. Okay. Oh, yeah. NSFW, baby. By the way, Patrick got that concept from something that we always wanted to do on Extincter Alive, which was kill off the main cameraman Mitch once an episode. And then he's just randomly back the next episode, just like Kenny from South Park and never explain it.

And boy, we had come up with some incredibly elaborate ways to kill Mitch on camera. And I think we were both, correct me if I'm wrong, Patrick, but we were both two chicken shit to ever go for it because we knew the never. Yeah, we kind of did the hybrid thing where we put that little interstitial of you fighting with him. That's true. Like when you kicked him down the mountain and stuff. But yeah, they weren't going to go for it. No, I got to hear at least one of the ways you killed this medoff.

Agreed. I feel like you, yeah. Do you remember any of them off the top of your head? I remember he died during the Lion Man bit, and I can explain that because we probably haven't talked about him. We were going to, like, I think everything that we were planning would have also involved pestering an animal. Like, I think we wanted to try to get a rhino to spear a dummy through the stomach. That's right. It was all stuff that was, like, morally ambiguous, so I don't think we could have done it.

You should have hung him up for the meat tree. Oh, man. There was so many things that would have been nice to kill him off. So Mamadu, are you nervous about Karen overtaking your social media celebrity? And do you know what I'm talking about? About Karen. Karen, that's right. Karen the alligator.

Karen the alligator. Karen the alligator. Can't say I've met her. Okay. So there's a recent news story that I thought was. hilarious that I wanted to bring up on here. And especially because when you scroll down to the photos, it just, it really adds up. So Kyle, bring that up. There's this guy in Michigan, okay, and he's got a pet alligator, right? Okay, Michigan's weird. Fair enough. But the best

part about it is he's named his alligator Karen. She sleeps in the bed with him and his ex-girlfriend, apparently. Wow. And this kid has been posting videos on TikTok of Karen that, that have accumulated, you know, like half a million followers. And the Fish and Wildlife Service, whatever it is, animal rescue, saw these videos and went and grabbed Karen and was like, yeah, you can't be doing this. Which I don't know what the laws on alligator ownership in Michigan are. I don't know if anybody knows the answer to that. But, yeah, I just thought this whole thing was hilarious.

Dude, Karen, he even got Karen a cubic circoneum necklace, man. She's iced out. She's sleeping in his bed. this never ends well. Better than a lot of people, honestly. I mean... Yeah, dude. I mean, probably a lot better

than Karen's being taking care of right now at the fucking fish and game cage or wherever the fuck they got her. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. And that is fucked up, right? This aggravates me. Peter, Deer, why don't you rant about it?

Because I want to hear why... No, I mean, it's bullshit. I mean, the guy looked... They looked like they were fine together. The alligator looked stoked. You had it on his shoulder. I mean, you're sleeping with the alligator. This is all video evidence

that's on TikTok. And, okay, it may be illegal, but send him a letter and tell him he's got to fucking do something about it. Don't just come and steal the love of his life. That's bullshit. That's fair. Okay. Just saying.

Your thoughts. I think it's setting a precedent. I think what he was doing might have been fine, but then some idiot who also wants to go viral is going to go to his local, I don't know, where do you get alligators these days? Florida. You pick one up, bring him to the living room, and then he just wakes up with missing a hand. So I guess maybe they're trying to crush into that kind of thing.

Oh, 100%, a thousand percent. You shouldn't have to pay the price that other stupid people, you know. If you can train an alligator to sleep calmly with you in bed, you should be taking care of all the alligators. That only ends one way. There is, that only ends one way. I know. There is no situation in which he spends 25 happy years of his life with an alligator sleeping in his bed. Absolutely.

I know. You're a fat on it. Here's what happened. Doug the pug became an internet phenomenon. Do you know who that is, Mommadoo? Yeah. Okay. Oh, my God.

He's a big family. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Doug the pug's owners are literally making several million dollars a year off of Doug. And so then you've got people all over the country going, what if, what if I get an alligator? What if I get a chimp? Yeah.

What if I fucking get a beetle? That's true. I follow someone with a jaguar. It's got a pet jaguar? To be fair, she runs a sanctuary, but it's a fucking jaguar. That's crazy. That's kind of hard to beat. What does she do with it?

She harasses it, and it just takes it. And I love it. It's basically just a cat, but just a whole lot bigger and a little more dangerous. Dude, that's like, I mean, that's the ticket right there, right? a responsible social media poster, like saving animals and doing cool shit with them, you know? That's what this guy needs to turn around and do to prove everybody wrong. He lost his gator. His time's over.

Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. I'm going to reach out. Exactly. He's got to get a crock. What's your, uh, Mamadu, what's your most watched video and do you know why? Oh.

Most watched. I have no idea. I'd have to guess it'd be anything involving me talking to killer whales, talking about killer whales. Okay. Because I think Free Willy created this idea that the killer whales are these adorable, like, innocent, obviously. Like, he made friends with a kid and it's so cute. Honestly, no, they're, first of all, they're doing what they do naturally. When I say they're evil, I obviously don't need it.

I feel like most people get that. There's that one, five percent, you know, you know, they're in the comments somewhere. Yeah, of course. I explain how they just bully the fuck out of sharks. They straight up traumatize them. They will slap seals into oblivion. And then everyone's just like, but free willy. And I'm like, no.

You're like, nah, dog. But Michael Jackson wrote a very touching song. Yeah, dude, I was producing a show called Whale Wars years ago where they filmed out in Antarctica. and the camera team got this amazing footage of the spy hopping. Do you know what that is? Yeah. Yeah. Just spy hopping.

Can you explain it to me, please? Basically, they just kind of bounce up and down because the seals are chilling on a little ice float thinking like, ah, I'm good. And they just all circle them and they just, at first it just looks like they're fucking with the seal. Like just trying to terrify it. And then eventually they get the water churning and it turns the iceberg over and the seal just slides into one of their mouths. That is a bad way to go. And it just looks like cruel and unusual punishment, man. Yeah, it really does.

Seeing a whale. I mean, it's like torture. Seeing a whale spy hop, I've had the good fortune of seeing it with a bunch of different species now, is one of the most bizarre things on earth. And you're like sitting, especially like down in Baja where I go and do the whale stuff, it's like you're sitting there and the ocean's super flat. And then when you think of a whale, you think of like a breach, right? Or like a blow where the back comes out in a spout.

And instead you just see this like pencil. Like like like so they go straight vertical, Peter. So just they go all the way like whale swims like this. They go like this. And they go straight up. And they go far, man, like 15, 20 feet high out of the water. You're like sitting in this boat and you're like, oh, there's no whales around here. I haven't seen anything.

And then all of a sudden this like penis grows out of the ocean because they're very penis shape. There's like this giant cylindrical animal just comes straight up. And it's like, it's almost like it needs a sound effect. It's like boop. Yeah, exactly. And it's just, it's the most, yeah, like that. That's, yeah. Humpbacks doing it is wild.

It's just like the most bizarre thing to see. Yeah, that is wild, dude. And so then they just stir the water up and tilt, eventually tilt the glacier or whatever it is. It just falls over and the seals toast, boy. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good way to eat, though. I mean, although it sounds like it requires a lot of energy to do so with all that weight

on the whale. I don't think so. I think with the little... They figure it out. Sometimes they don't even eat it in the end. They'll let it crawl back on. It's like, all right, round two. Let's do it. So it's kind of like a game for them a bit, too. It actually is. Mamadu, I'd like to see...

Have you ever done a video on the bombardier beetle? Yes. I was going to say, if not, you got to do it. It's my favorite animal superpower. It's so ridiculous. A little butt acid. Um, mama dude, before we move on, I put up a post, and this is so much fun. I don't know if I ever, uh, I don't know if I ever got, um, ever talked about this on the pod. On April Fool's Day last, or this year, so just a few months ago, I put up a post,

which my buddy made, Dave Sunshine, he's a brosner of the podcast. And, uh, he put up, he built this fake free willy poster. And I was like, by the way, I think there's like three free willy movies. I'm not really sure. And I was like, I'm the new star in Free Willy Five. You know, thank you to everybody that has supported me. Here it is. Kyle's got it.

And if you read like, I can't see it. It's so small. But it's like, it's starring like, starring Forrest Galante, supporting actors of like Brad Pitt and George Clooney, directed by Steven Spielberg. And this is all posted on April 1st. And it says in the, like, in the location is like April Fool's Day or something like that. And there are hundreds of comments of people.

being like, oh my God, congratulations. No way. This is so great. And then, and then like, you know, like I put it up in the morning. I like went to the gym, had a cup of coffee, whatever, checked it around lunchtime. And all these people, so I put up a post going, hey, this is an April fool's prank. And then there were like 150 more comments of like, you suck, man. How could you do this? Like, that's this stupid prank. And it's just like, it went on for days. I thought it was absolutely hysterical. Yeah. It literally says April Fool's in the low. location of that post. Correct.

Dude, I always get pissed on April fools. I just don't believe anything. I'm just like, nope. If it's got one sniff of being out there, I'm just like, not real face. Forrest, you brought that up as if you were going to ask Mama do a question? No, I just wanted to tell them about my free willy experience because I thought it was funny. Oh, all right. We're talking whales here, mate.

Yeah, see? He said it was entertaining. That's all I got. I don't have much else to contribute this evening. I wonder, though, like, can, so I don't know how TikTok works. Can people comment on your videos? Yes. What's, what percentage of comments piss you off?

Honestly, none of them, because if you took the time out of your day to leave something crazy, that's like, and that I'm probably never going to see. There's probably some wild-ass comments that I've never seen and wasted all that energy, the keystrokes and everything. Yeah, I'm never going to see it. And then when I do see it, it's like, okay, can I see? your profile. Do you have a profile picture? No, I can't really, really take that seriously. Yeah, totally. But, you know, that's like a really small percentage.

Like, for the most part, it's been pretty positive. Like, uh, yeah, uh, actually depends on the platform. Now, TikTok's really positive. YouTube is, I guess, uh, more of a mixed bag, but for the most part, it's more positive. I'd say maybe like 95, 5. Instagram. There's a small group of people on Instagram that don't fucking like me.

And I don't know where it comes from. Yeah. It's a weird negative space that I feel like it didn't used to be. I feel like what I feel like every social media platform gets Andy Dicked as soon as as as soon as it gets negative. Like Facebook was cool. Everybody loved it. Like I remember when Facebook first came to UCs right after, right after Ivy League schools.

And that was it. It was just, it was just Ivy League schools and University of California. I was like, oh, this is sweet. Like you have to be pretty cool to be. on Facebook. Yeah. And, uh, and then it, like, blew up and blew up. And then it was like, this is the coolest thing ever.

Got negative. I was like, ah, fuck this place. Then everybody went to Instagram. Now Instagram's fucking toxic. Now everybody's on TikTok. It's like, it just gets Andy Dicked. It's like, it keeps moving. Yeah, it just like it moves and then the negativity catches up with it.

And then it just moves to the next thing. It's, it's so weird the way that. There's always got to be a thing, though. Like for, for Facebook, it was the, it was groundbreaking because it was social media and everything in the news feed, pictures, updates, people love to talk about themselves. Instagram is all pictures, TikTok's all short videos, you know. So you've got to have that thing to break in. And then YouTube, I disagree.

I think YouTube has like the worst people in the world on it. Don't we have like all pretty positive stuff on YouTube? I don't think I've ever read a YouTube comment. No, but I mean if you've ever watched a popular video on there and gone to the comments, it is just vile. There's constant. It's like ridiculous, you know? Like just stuff that doesn't even make sense.

And you're like, why are you talking about Republicans and Democrats on a tortoise video? We don't charge for anything, right? His TikTok's free. Our YouTube's, everything's free. And people will go on. If we post a video that's like 59 minutes, there will inevitably be someone who's like, uh, would have liked to have seen this an hour. Yeah.

How fucking pissed off are you about something else, man? Yeah. And that's why I never take it seriously. It's like you clearly got some other stuff going on. I almost kind of feel bad for you. Yeah. Dude, 100%. I almost don't respond.

Most of the time, I'll just pin it and let other people respond to it. Oh, God. Or just see how long you choose to comment up. That's such a good strategy. You just take the most negative comment and pin it and let other people play with it. Oh, that is, I'm definitely taking over that strategy. That is a whole player. You always do wonder what's going on with those people.

I got a text message. I think I've mentioned this on the pod before. I sent it to you, Pat, after we did a live, a live YouTube of the podcast, and my buddy just goes, what are you uncomfortable or something on camera? I'm just like, and then it was followed by a bunch of other shit. And you basically called me like a California douche and all this other stuff. And he's like a friend of mine from back into Chicago. And I'm just like, God damn, he must be fucked up on something.

Like, this is wild. wild times. But yeah, people are nuts, man. Especially in this day and age after the pandemic. For some, it was a blessing. For some, it's a fucking curse. Well, do you, think about it. Like, when we were angry teenagers, I don't know, I know the three of us were,

I don't know about you, Mama do, but we all had phases where we were angry little shitty kids going through puberty. The only thing we could do was, like, blast heavy metal in our rooms and just fucking rage. She fucking hates me? Remember puddle of mud? She fucking hates me? Yeah.

I can just go online and share your rage with other people to try and make them feel as shitty as you do. Yep. That's what it is. I think that's the problem. Not enough people have gotten punched in the mouth for saying the wrong thing. Yeah, agree. Straight up. Oh, my God.

Can you imagine if you, like, went to school and said some of the shit that people post online to somebody's face? It would just be, it'd be fist fights left and right. You couldn't get away with that. That'd be insane. Yeah. I mean, dude, it's going to be so far. fucking hard raising a boy in this bullshit, man. I've no idea.

Like, I got to teach him out of fight first and foremost, but not to fight first off. Bro, you want to get in big trouble with your wife? Hold on. Can I pirate what you're saying for a second? Peter, of course. Let me explain to Mamadu and the brohers if they don't know. Peter's having a son, like, probably in about 45 minutes. A couple days, but yeah.

When is your wife do, Peter? Monday. Monday. She's due Monday. So, so it's a 22nd. Thanks, man. the 27th. Yeah. So they're having a kid real soon. And Patrick and I both have like two. How old's yours? No, like one, 15 months or something. Mine's two and a half. And so my kid is like a person now. He's

turning three in October. And he's like a person. That's when they're people, right? And so my favorite things to do with him are roughhouse wrestle. I've taught him how to box, you know, like little kid boxing. It's not real boxing. And when we go to rugby on Saturdays and when daddy plays, he can tackle anybody, basically, you know, any of the big people on the sideline. Now, these are all great, hilarious things as a dad who's like, yeah, my son's tough, until you put him in a social setting with other children his age. And he runs up to them and he's like, tackle. And he just like hits a kid at full speed on the playground that he's never met before.

He goes, you want a box? And he just punches a kid in the side of the head. And my wife, like, Jessica is like, she'll just look at me when I'm playing these games. She's like, I hate you. Like, you're making my life harder every day. And I've told you this. And yet you think this is good behavior. And I just don't understand why a two and a half year old doesn't have the logic to figure out when it's appropriate and when it doesn't.

Well, he learns that from the parents. I mean, so I think there's a failure somewhere in the pipe there. And that's why you act like you have no idea where he got it from. You just go and like, that's smart. Like, that's smart. It must be daycare. Yeah, it must be daycare, totally. I should just start when my wife's not home teaching him these things.

And when she's home, it's like, yeah, yeah, we just snuggled. You know, that's all we do. Yeah, right. She wouldn't buy that for a second. You've got to be more nuanced. Let me change. Let me change gears here for a second. Yeah.

So, Mom, do you have a book coming out, don't you? Yes, sir. I didn't know that. Yeah. A hundred animals that can effing end you. Nice. It's basically the, basically just my TikTok videos in written word, but like I added a lot to it because obviously there's a time constraint on TikTok.

It used to be just 60 seconds. They opened it up a lot more, but still you don't want to just be, you know, rambling on and on. I can do that with this book. I can kind of go all the way down the rabbit hole. And you can tell which animals I had a certain bias towards because some animals got like one page, some got like three. Right.

Like the jaguar? Oh, yeah. Nice. Yeah. I can, oh, there it is. Yeah. Oh, nice, dude. I haven't seen that.

That covers incredible. Dude, titles sell books. I feel like this. I feel like I'm going to see this in like that LAX at the airport. At the airport. The only place that you can still buy books. Yeah, I'm going to be a self-promoting asshole for like 10 seconds. It's available for pre-order.

It's available July 5th. There's also an audio book because, you know, no one has an attention span anymore. I don't. So, you know, if you're not tired of my voice, can listen to the audio book. Nice, man. That's awesome, dude. Let us know what cover I've ever seen. Like, did you design that?

How did you come up with us? That wasn't me. I am not artistic at all. We had a couple illustrators. One of them was Butcher Billy. He did a lot of the heavy lifting here. And yeah, he made something that was kind of identified towards my audience. And I liked it.

And I feel like this is a good reflection of what you can expect in the book. And so it's kind of just, it's a field guide. So it's like each animal is a quick read. It might be three minutes, might be a minute, right? Exactly, yeah. Dude, that is exactly. I feel like how people read. Yeah, man.

It's like everyone in the U.S. should have this book on top of their toilet. 100%. I'm going to part on it. Yeah, definitely. I'm definitely getting it. Where I got to pre-order it on, Amazon? Yeah, there's a bunch of places you can pre-order on. I think the most popular is Amazon.

Right on, man. Which animal has the most words dedicated to it in the book? Like, which one did you just riff on the most? off the top of you know this is it's weird because it's so random i think it was the giant river otter okay oh interesting yeah because they're just in i think it was right off what after i did like a long form video on them so i had a lot of like creative juices still left over and they're just psychopaths and i've thought about and i felt that way for a very long time and people think i'm crazy because they hear otter and they think wait no they like old hands while they're sleeping so you know

right they're right they're so adorable i'm like no they're like wild ass animals that will fuck like there are so many like news articles for because of people going up to these otters because they think it's like a teddy bear and then they get mauled or their dog gets mauled or them and their dog gets mauled and then it makes the headlines and nobody there you go that thing look at his eyes well like don't use multiple images and look it in its eyes there they don't have a soul dude so i'm one of the idiots that thought that way, by the way. And I mean, I know that all mustelids are pretty crazy, but I was in

the Pontinal, looking at them doing exactly what that one's doing, eating armored catfish and proxomis and stuff. And I talked to one of the guys there, and I was like, hey, like the next group of otters we see, you think I could slip in the water and try to get close to him. And he's like, are you serious? And I'm like, yeah, yeah. You know, like,

well, just like, they're otters. Like, I'll swim up to them. It'll be really cool. They'll probably, like, interact with me. He's like, yeah, they'll interact with you. They'll rip you to fucking shred. He's like, the Jaguars don't come there these things. Yeah. And I, he was like, he's like, apps under no circumstances can you do that. And I had no idea. I'm like, yeah, like, I know that they're tough and I know they can, you know, fend off

a jaguar. I didn't think that just swimming up to them would lead to like decimation. And he's like, oh, it will destroy you if you try and do that. That's wild. You don't ever hear that. Just a quick message to anybody watching. Like, these things can grow to six feet long. This, this animal is longer than the average man in America.

I just want to point that. I had fucking... I'm seriously? That's crazy. Well, yeah, because you see videos. Like, I went and swam with the little Asian small clod otters in San Diego at that place. Yeah. They're the cutest fucking thing in the world.

They're climbing around. They're ripping women's shirts down and bikini tops. You know, they're fucking... They're so cute. And you're like, I need 20 of these. I don't care what the law is. Right. A six-foot otter?

Terrifying. Dude. Ludicrous. By the way, I think... I think it was. It might be time. It's time. Do you have it?

Because I have it. Go for it. I got nothing, baby. All right. We need a jingle first. We've got to what? We'll add it in later. It's time for the Battle Royale.

Mama, do we play a game. The Brosners love it. It's called the Battle Royale. I'm sure you've probably never listened to a full episode of the show. So Forrest, explain to him how it works. Absolutely. So, in light of your wonderful book that's coming out, 100 animals that can fucking kill you.

We are going to do an old school battle royale. And this is called three animals that can fucking kill you. So what we're going to do is we're going to go in order. We're going to do it like a snake draft. And we're just going to name one animal that can fucking kill you. But there's a kicker. Okay. And we're going to move on.

We get three each, Mamadu. So I go first, you go second, then Peter, then Patrick. Then Patrick goes again and it works backwards. It's a snake draft. You know, up and down. I say it's like a fantasy football draft. Yeah. and we're going to name three animals that can fucking kill you.

But there's a kicker to this game. Okay? One of them has to be in the air. One of them has to be on land and one has to be in the water. And at the end of the day, the Brosters will weigh in and vote. Very simple, very clean battle royale. They're not all fighting each other. This is just you picking three animals that can fucking kill you.

And at the end of the Battle Royale, Brosners will weigh in, they'll vote and we'll find out who made the most terrifying, shredding team of animals that can kill you. All right. Let's get it. Before I ask, so when you say it in the water, that means like it's just primarily in the water or there's a reason I'm asking that. 100%.

It can be aquatic. It can be semi-aquatic. Otter totally flies if you want to go river otter. You know, you can do killer whales. We're pretty flexible on the rules here. Peter usually picks herpes as one of his guesses and that doesn't fit into anything. It's a while. Herpes is very dangerous.

That's true. Yeah. That's a dated reference. That's like in episodes 7 through 90. Seven through 90. All right, Forrest, you kick it off. I'll kick it off. I'll do it.

I'll do it. All right, I'm going to go first. I'm going to take a good one off of the table. Animals that can fucking kill you. My first pick, the Golden Eagle. Okay? You're welcome. Yep, you're welcome.

That's why I'm lucky I got to go first. I swear to God, I thought air, and that's the okay. Yep, that's why I'm lucky I got to go first. So my first pick, Golden Eagle, giant predatory bird, capable of swooping down. killing whole deer with their incredibly large talons, native to actually right here in the United States, but also Mongolia and several other places. I believe the second largest flying eagle after a stellar sea eagle.

I could be wrong. They might be the biggest, but they are big, gnarly, predatory birds. That is my first pick. Okay. All right. Mamadu, you're up. You don't have to go air. You can go any of the three.

Any order. I'm going hippos. and not land. Let's see. Land, water. I'm going to say hippos for water. It's a good water pick. They kill about 500 people a year. They're fucking terrifying.

For the most, in the wild, a lot of people are afraid of like the wild, like the really dangerous animals. And for the most part, if you respect their space, you'll be fine. Hippos, the world is their space. Right. You are trespassing at all times. It's terrifying.

They can't actually swim. So when one comes up to you on your boat, it's actually chasing you underwater, like full send. That's crazy, dude. I saw a video. Yeah. This probably, like, I'm not going to go too long on this, but I remember I watched

a video of like these African wild dogs chasing this antelope. And basically they cornered it. It was going into the water. A hippo comes in, scares off the African wild dogs. Stupid me. I'm like, oh, cute, it saved. Before I can even complete that thought, it proceeded to amal the antelope completely. Didn't kill it,

but just crippled it. And it just sat there and watch. And then the African wild dogs are just there like, we were going to like get dead. So they're just they thrive off malicious intent, their homicide horses on steroids. All the

hippos, number one pick. Yeah, man. Hiffos are terrifying. It's a great pick. We've talked about them on the pod many, many times. Forrest had to save some tourists back in South Africa from some hippos. Correct. It is one of, it is an animal that I am the most scared of.

by the way, is the hippo. So it's a great pick. It's a great pick. Who's next? Dear. Me? Yep. All right. Well, I am going to go with my, let's see, I have three screens up here, but I'm going to go, I'm going to go, if you can't tell, I'm like the every man. I don't know shit about animals. So I'm going to go with dogs, okay, as my land animal, just a pack of dogs that have rabies. Rabid dogs kill 59,000 per year. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to be 10 in my pack. That's 590,000 people. Never said there was a pack.

Not, God damn it. I like how he just created a pack of dogs and gave them a disease. Correct. Yeah, like completely. Dude, look at that. Kyle. Thank you, Kyle, for the visual aid of dogs with rabies.

Yeah, that's right. That's terrifying. You know what it's like to die from rabies? You go crazy in your bed. You can't drink water. You're terrified of it. I told you we're lenient with the rules here, Mamadu. And it's because That's a solid pick. The jury.

The jury is the listeners. They will let us know how Peter did. Rabbit dogs. I'm going with, I'm going to start because I have two picks here. I'm going to take my land animal off the table. Okay. By far the scariest land animal. And it's not even fucking close.

They kill by far the most humans every year. I am taking the human being. I'm taking a very angry. I've gotten scorched. I'm taking one. I was terrified that someone was going to go there. Yeah, no. I don't want to make it too serious.

I'm just taking a very angry guy who just caught, just caught his wife cheating on him with his brother. He was already on steroids and TRT because he was going bald and didn't have a lot of energy. So this is a dangerous guy. Are you talking about Joe Rogan? No, not Joe Rogan. Dana White. What of the gun laws like in his state?

Yeah, that's all he needs to ask. Very lenient. Oh, yeah, we're in Arizona. This is in Phoenix. Okay, we're all dead. It's 120 degrees. It's in Phoenix. He's angry, too.

I'm taking my water animal. This is the one that terrifies me the most. I'm taking the freshwater snail. Wow. Yeah, I'm taking the freshwater snail. I know where you're going with us. They carry snail fever. They kill 10,000 people a year when you're, because you're thinking, hey, I just found some

fresh water. I'm parched. I'm going to drink it. God damn it. there was a snail sitting two feet over just being all coy. What does it do when you get the snail fever? Is it just like you? Also rat lungworm.

Remember I told you guys about rat lungworm? When you touch it, you get that rat's disease that crawls into your brain because they kind of find your lungs. Yeah. That teenager ate one as a joke. Got rat lung worm dead. Oh, Christ. So I've, those are my two. Back to you for one, Peter.

And the scary thing about that is that it could be any body of water. You just have to be terrified of drinking fresh water. Fresh water. Yeah. It could be in an Evian bottle. I don't know. Peter, you're up. My animal, my sky animal is a bearded vulture or a lammergeers.

Oh, my God. An eagle-like vulture of the old world. These birds often reach lengths of more than 40 inches with a wing spread of nearly 10 feet. Terrified. And how they kill you. they pick you up into the air as high as 260 feet, and then just drop your ass onto flat rocks, cracking open your bones so that they can get at the marrow.

So if there are any new-born babies listening, you should be very scared of this vulture. They can pick you up, baby. You're tiny. You're meager. Okay. Beard of mulcher. Yep, that, good job, Peter.

It's amazing you knew all those facts off the top of your head. I know. It's crazy. I've been researching in my bed at night. It's always the every man that manages to win in any bracket. That's right. Because we're relatable. Mavadu, you're up.

I'm classifying the hippo as land. So for water, I'm going to go with filarial worms. They're parasitic worms. More worms, man. Yeah. Yeah, they love to invade people. They love hanging out into lymph nodes where they can block foods from leaving the body. If they do that, you can end up with a disease known as elephantiasis.

I don't know if it's true, but it might have gotten its name because it makes your arms and legs look like that. Of an elephant swells up to almost cartoonish proportions. Not only just to fuck you up. Oh, yeah. It's fun. It's a fun time. What is this type of worm? Philarial worms.

Phallarial worms. Wow. They're about as long as your finger and as thin as sewing friends. So good luck trying to see that. Oh, my God. Are you serious? I'm going strictly for intimidation because I don't got to kill everybody. I'll just fuck somebody up and send a message.

It's not just the arms and legs that can be inflated. It can also get your testicles, too. You ever see South Park where he had the wheelbarrow? Yep. That's exactly what could happen. They made it look kind of fun, though, where you could use him as like a hoppity hop. That looked kind of fun.

Hopity hop. Imagine the pain, though. Oh, dude. Dude. Honestly, the worms are fucking just terrible. And I am terrified. I think I'm going to lose this because I'd just run away honestly and never drink water again.

You guys are thinking nicely outside of the box. I'm going to stay where I belong squarely inside of the box and just pray and hope that the brosners respect that decision, respect this good rule following that I'm doing as a good Samaritan.

So I have Golden Eagles by Air. My land animal is an unusual pick, and I'll tell you why. I'm going to pick the Cape Buffalo, and I'll tell you why. Not only are they incredibly intimidation, They kill lots of people. But they are just so full of testosterone and so pissed off 100% of the time.

It's not like a jaguar or a lion or something like that that's going to kill you and then move on. If you put a Cape Buffalo in a room of people, it will make sure that every single person in that room is dead before it exits. They're going to kill that lion, dude. That's crazy. They are unbelievable. And the lion knows it. Yeah. It's fucking out of there.

they they are so aggressive they're not something that you expect but god you know i would take on a lion before cape buffalo 100% of the time well you are lion man that is my land animal and i better write it down because i'll forget my own thing um so yeah that is my land animal and then for water i'm gonna go with a box jellyfish okay yeah that's and here's here's why it's not the big teethe thing you're not going to know that it's coming but you're certainly going to find out it can kill many people at once without realizing it

all it takes is you to swim through mash it up and then it hits the whole pot of people that are swimming there Fox jellyfish is my water Jesus. Yep. That's awful. Oh, that's from the tentacles. Yep, yep. Very, very poisonous. So Mamadu, Forrest stole your

bird pick or your aerial pick. So what's your, how are you going to round out your squad here? Let's see. I got a tank in the hippo. That's land. I have flageal worms. So for air, I'm going to go with, hmm, this might be slightly controversial. I'm going with mosquitoes. By far the highest body count of any animal. They've killed more people than all the world's wars combined. And how are you going to square up with a mosquito? Let alone a whole bunch of them. We're going to be specific. I'm going to go with the Anophilis mosquito or the ones that carry malaria. And what's weird is, they could be a whole lot more dangerous because there's like 3,000 species of them.

Only three, well, not only three, but mostly three are responsible for, like, you know, killing people. And of those three, it's only the females that drink blood. So there are so, if I just fuck with them a little bit, you know, change certain aspects about them, you know, just go be on my Jurassic Park shit. I could create a race of mosquitoes that will straight up just demolish anybody.

Mosquitoes. Mosquitoes are a good pick. I'm going to give you that one. Good picks. For tip. For me, in the box with Forrest, right there, holding hands. I'm going with a great white shark for my ocean pick. They're terrifying.

They have rows and rows of razor sharp teeth. They're aggressive. If they're hungry, I'll definitely be starving them for everybody who wants to come around. And they will just tear the fuck out your ass, motherfucker. Okay. There you go. I'm going to round out my team of humans, snails. I'm going to take to the sky.

And I'm going to go with a bird that I find fascinating called the hooded pitouee. Oh, beauty. Very good. The hooded pituit. They eat poison dart frogs. They take the poison. They store it in the feathers. And then you're like, oh, look at this really cute orange bird.

like I'm going to, I'm going to touch it. Like, this looks cool. Yeah, now your fingers are tingling. You're in bad shape. Put it to a to-y. A lot of fucking poisons and parasites and disease going around in this. You know what that shows, though? You know what that shows?

Warfare. Yeah, that shows an understanding. Because the people that are picking tigers and lions and bears, granted, I basically did that, they know less because that is what it's all about. It is these parasites. It's biological warfare. Let's recap. Let the Browsner's way in. Vote. Go on to the YouTube. Go on to wherever you consume this podcast. Let us know who won tonight's Battle Royale, three animals that can fucking kill you. Was it me, Forrest, with the Golden Eagle Air Assault, the Cape Buffalo on land or the box jellyfish in the water? Was it Mamadu's troublesome trio of the hippos on land, the mosquito by air, and the philangial worm by water? just sounds icky.

Peter came in weird with rabies dog. Yes, a pack. He said thousands will allow it. Rabies dogs, plural, bearded vulture by air and a great white shark by water. Truly a terrifying combo

minus the vulture, which prays on carrion. And to round us out, let us know if your vote is for Patrick, whose combination is a freshwater snail, which means, you know, you're not safe drinking anywhere, a hooded patouy, a nice venomous little adorable bird,

or by far the scariest thing on this list, which is a guy who just saw his wife cheating that's currently on steroids in Arizona. In the summer. With a gun. In the summer, with a gun. So that is very dangerous. Way in, let us know who won tonight's Battle Royale.

Thank you for listening to it. It was quite something. Mamadu, where can the people find you if they don't know you? They can find me on a TikTok. My handle is M-N-D-I-A-Y-E underscore 97. Instagram, same exact handle without the underscore. And I'm also on YouTube, casual geographic. I make the same videos I make on TikTok, but it's more long-form content.

I can kind of like go down the rabbit hole if I want to. And yeah. And one more time that where's that book available and what's it called? A hundred animals that can fucking kill you. It's available for pre-order right now. It goes out July 5th. Amazon for the most part, but almost every social media I have the links there. It's a bunch of places to pre-order no matter where you are.

Nice. Check that out. Good stuff. Good stuff. Dude, thank you so much for coming on, man. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. Oh, definitely.

Brosners, we have a very special thing premiering after this episode. So stay tuned. We have a segment coming, and you're going to love it. It is an eye naturalist segment where Brosner, Drew Keynes, breaks down and highlights several of the Brossner finds in the I-Naturalist project. If you don't know what that is, go to iNaturalist.com. But stay tuned for that right after this. Thank you so much, Mama Duke.

Thank you, two gentlemen. Not Marmaduke. Hey, I used to get that all the time. I was told I'd be paid $500 if I called you Marmaduke. That's true. There was a, there was a Kyle offered him $500 to call him Marmaduke the whole time without breaking a, without breaking face. He's never coming back. Yes, he is. He loves us.

All right. To find, to find all the links to everything. The wild times. Stop rushing me, Pat. All the links to everything. The wild timespodcast.com forward slash info. The Patreon. Patreon.com forward slash wild times pod.

All of our sources are at Wild Timespod. We love you, Brochners. All right. Good night, everybody. Cut that out, Kyle. I don't know what that was. Yeah, that was something. Right.

First episode of the I Naturalist observation segment. Is I your host, Drew Keynes? I'm here with our newly announced co-host, Mr. Dom, Ollianelli. What's up, Dom? Hey, Drew, how's it going, man? I'm doing great. Super happy to have you with us. So you want to give us a little bit about yourself

before we get into it today? Yeah, I'm a zoology major at San Diego. State University. So just heard back for the day that I got in there. So I'm super excited about that and super excited to be on here today. Nice. Congrats, dude. And you're a fellow Brosner. Fellow Brossner, OG. Happy be representing as always. So yeah, I brought Dom on to help me with this segment just to chat it up about some really cool observations. We've been pulling out some cool ones. And today's going to be the first three that we kind of show you guys. So by the way, Dom, I had trouble pronouncing your last name earlier earlier. That's Italian. right, Ali and Ali? Very, very Italian. You go back a few generations. It's half Italian, half Sicilian.

Chisilian, you say? Yeah. I usually don't bring that up, but if you're talking to another Italian, it's a pretty big distinction to make. Which I am. And my lineage is also Sicilian, which is very interesting that you bring that up because our first animal today is a species of Sicilian.

Now, you may be thinking, are you about to show us some hairy Italian dudes on the podcast? and no, I'm going to show you an amphibian that is called a Sicilian. So this is a Sicilian right here. You see it looks like this crazy worm snake-type deal. And before we got into our research, Dom, did you even know what this was? I don't know if I'd even heard of these guys beforehand.

When I first saw this photo, I thought maybe it was like some type of legless lizard, which many people don't even know about. Definitely looks like a snake to probably most people. Yeah, so this is just a crazy animal. I've learned about it in a couple of different classes in the past. And yeah, I mean, when people think of amphibians, they think of frogs, maybe salamanders. But there's this whole other taxonomic order of amphibians that are called the Sicilians. And they show some crazy behaviors.

So this one here is the Newian-Cicilian. And this observation was taken in part of Vietnam by Mr. Chris Joel, one of our Brosners. So you can see, if I zoom the map out here, right outside of the capital there, Ho Chi Minh City, right on the coast, or close to the coast. and yeah so this is a really cool species that i'm really excited to talk about uh and be this specific sicilian is very special because this is actually the first and only observation of this animal of this species of sicilian on i naturalist whoa that's impressive yeah and it's by a brosner which i think is just so cool yeah kind of poked around yeah there's some similar species um in that area but that specific species, I've talked to him in the comment section,

and he said that it's only known as a separate species based on genetics, and he knows some of the scientists who have studied it. And yeah, he's the only person ever to log a species on i naturalist. I thought that was so cool. That's wild. That's some pretty serious bragging rights right there. Absolutely. And I just think it's so cool that a Brosner did.

It's just a great example of what cool stuff we're bringing in. Yeah, it really shows the impact that citizen science can have. Yeah. But Sicilians, I mean, they're so crazy. They're mostly fossorial, so they live underground most of the time. They have a really crazy behavior. I don't believe in this species. Are you familiar with dermophagia on them?

I'm not, but I can kind of guess what it is. It's got something to do with their skin, doesn't it? You're right. So dermo means skin. Do you know what phage you means or phage? Kind of, but I don't know if I could put it in a sentence. Take it. I got one word guess of phage.

Like some type of stage or I don't know. I'm not sure. phage means eat so we put that together we have skin eater oh that is scary and disturbing well let me explain so some species of sicilian the mothers they actually they'll produce their young and the way they'll feed them is they'll they'll produce this thick skin secretion basically it's like their skin gets kind of thicker and full of nutrients and the young sicilians will actually feed off of that skin that'll be their source of nutrients Whoa, that's a pretty crazy adaptation.

Crazy, right? Yeah. I'm glad we're not Sicilians, at least that type of Sicilian. Well, yeah, I'm glad to be the other type, despite some jeering from my mainland Italian friends. But yeah, it's just such a crazy creature. They're so cool. Not a lot is known about them because they're so secretive. I mean, they're underground most of the time.

But it's just this total other category of amphibian that most people just don't even know it exists. They just know about their frogs and their salamanders. So I was super happy to kind of show that observation off to some of the Brozners. Yeah, and they got some pretty crazy teeth too. I was checking them out. Totally. Yeah, they were going to be like little like little bug eaters and stuff and they eat all kinds of stuff. And they can get their mouths around.

They got kind of look like boa or like python teeth, these big old recurved teeth. Yeah, they're a really crazy animal. But that, let's move on to our next observation. So this is a jumping spider. And this is a whole family of spider. is this is just one species here. This one specifically was logged by Cam Stewart, better known as iced freaking tea in the Discord.

She's pretty affluent Brosner. Everyone in the Discord knows and loves ice freaking tea. She's been mentioned on the ball a couple times. Definitely another OG of the Brozner's and has really taken to Inaturalist. She's definitely climbed the rankings of oxpiration and species that she's got. Absolutely. And she doesn't just go out there with her iPhone,

as you can tell with this picture. She goes out there with her camera, She takes some really cool stuff. Yeah. You guys will definitely be seeing some more of her observations in the future. Oh, yeah. And she got this one from, let's see where this was. Zoom out a little bit.

This one was in Prescott in Arizona, United States. Okay, and that's your realm kind of, right? You're pretty close to me. Yeah, kind of my neck of the woods. I've traveled through there a few times. Nice. Gorgeous country, kind of a transition area between what most people think of Arizona, dry desert cactus, and then into the mountains of Arizona that's all pine forest.

Gotcha. In this transition area, a lot of junipers and stuff. Nice. So, Dom, tell me a couple cool facts about this. This is actually the, I called the species of paradise spider, but they're all within the jumping spider. So, yeah, tell me a couple of cool facts with the jumping spider real quick. So these guys are really interesting. I've only heard about them relatively recently that they're one of the more intelligent species of spider.

Okay, I didn't know that. It kind of changed a lot of scientists. perspective on spiders. I think a lot of people think like, oh, spiders are just bugs. All they have to do is they don't really need. They don't have a need for a lot of intelligence. It's just, oh, I see food. I go and grab it and I eat it type stuff. But they show complex mating rituals, which definitely requires intelligence. And they also show individual hunting strategies for different types of prey, which is another thing that requires high levels of intelligence. So it's definitely flipped the scientific community

on its head when these first, when these behaviors are first observed. Nice. I had no idea about that actually. Yeah, so you'll see complex mating rituals. The males have to watch out because if they don't do it right, the female will eat them. That's cool. You see that a lot in the bug world. Yeah. Totally.

And then they'll also trick other spiders. They'll mimic other spider mating behaviors to take advantage of them and then ambush those spiders and then eat them. That's crazy. That's wild. Real, almost mammal level intelligence. that's so badass that's just like your nature is metal level of just crazy behavior and yes something that I read my research is a lot of spiders have really poor eyesight and they rely on their webs that they make to kind of have that sit and wait style of predation where a fly or some type of insect

flies into their web and then they feel that vibration and they go in for the kill right but as you kind of alluded to with some of your other behaviors you talk about this these spiders are just the opposite you can see in this picture here you can see in this picture here here, they just have such big eyes. Also, another fun fact that's true among all spiders. Everyone knows spiders have eight legs, but a lot of people don't know that spiders have eight eyes, too, which is just absurd.

And you usually can't see it, but this one you can see at least six of them. You can see the two big ones and the two next one, and then those two on the sides, and I'm sure there's two more in there somewhere. But, yeah, compared to the spiders, they have these big old eyes, which makes them just really cute, too. I think these spiders are adorable. Yeah, these guys definitely changed my mind.

I was not a big fan of spiders, and I started learn about these guys. I'm like, all right, these guys kind of cute. And I actually learned in my class the other day about the evolution of eyes that spider eyes, each one is kind of specialized for seeing a different type, whether it's focused for movement or detail or

different spectrums of like wavelengths of light. Damn, I didn't know. That's crazy. Yeah, so they kind of have like built in like night vision goggles that you see like special op guys use that they just have different eyes to do all different kinds of stuff. That's sick. That is so,

cool. But yeah, and that's just, like, that just alludes to what I was getting at as their visual acuity. So these big complex eyes are just so much more better fitted for being able to, like, hunt and ambush prey. So they're not that sit-and-weight predator. They actively go out and they're called jumping spiders for a reason. They're super athletic. They jump around. They move so fast, so quick. And they're just like, they're like the little wolves of the arachnid world, really. It's crazy. I mean, obviously they're solitary. They don't hunt in packs per se. But the way that they're able to, to just move around and just hunt down other prey items is just so cool to me. Yeah.

Yeah, definitely like I said, definitely exhibiting like mammal kind of level behaviors and intelligence with the stuff they do. Totally. The things we normally associate with mammals we're discovering in more and more species. That's a cool way to think about it. And I think a lot of people fit a lot of types of behaviors into boxes within certain taxonomic groups. Maybe in the case of mammals, that kind of predation style is a good example or that complexity.

of mating behavior. And I think you're doing a really good job of kind of emphasizing how we have these crazy cool exceptions that show that these norms aren't necessarily true for certain groups. And I don't even know if it's an exception, though. I think this might just be the first one that we've discovered. I think the more and more we learn about different species of animal, we're finding out just how intelligent they are. I mean, very recently we're discovered how intelligent like octopus are and like crows,

for example, too. Yeah. These more species that were considered to be intelligent. and now either of them are easily, I think, in top five most intelligent animals. Absolutely. And yeah, I mean, now there's like so many more ways to define intelligence, too. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, it's just super cool to see what seems like such a simple organism from an intelligence perspective showing that complexity.

Yeah. What do you have next for us? Sure. So let me go to our last observation of today's episode. Come up next we have the snowy owl. Where are our Harry Potter fans? There you go. That's actually a good point.

I'd say the snowy owls probably kind of made famous by the Harry Potter series, at least on the big screen. I mean, this is just such a pretty owl. Most owls you think of, I mean, they're going to kind of be different shades of brown or black, whatever. But these owls are so beautiful. They're that bright white color. And they're called the snowy owl, not just because they look like snow because they're white, but that's the habitat that they inhabit. but they mostly spend a lot of their summertime up in the Arctic hunting, mostly lemmings, which are little, I think they're rodents, right?

I think so, yeah. Little lemmings, yeah. You don't know what a lemming is. Kind of picture like a wild hamster. That's a good way to look at it. Yeah. So, yeah, a rodent. But yeah, so they spend most of their time up in the Arctic hunting lemmings.

And then, actually, where I'm from in New England, I grew up in coastal New England, these birds would actually migrate for the winter all the way down from the Arctic through Canada. down to, and they do this throughout a lot of the country, throughout a lot of the U.S., through the Midwest, especially. But in a lot of our beaches, these animals would migrate down in the cold months to overwinter, and they're just such a cool bird to observe. They're so gorgeous with those big yellow eyes and that super bright white feathering on

them. They're so pretty. They're one of my favorite birds. Yeah, definitely. They showcase a lot of really interesting adaptations. I think a lot of people know owls for their crazy sight. And I think a lot of birds of prey are kind of known for their their visual abilities. But I was really surprised to learn that owls have very acute hearing.

Oh, really? You're aware of this. Yeah. So you'll see on a lot of owls how they kind of have those big like eye dishes almost, that their eyes are kind of like really like set far back in their head. Yeah, yeah. Actually to help channel sound into their ears. If you've ever seen a picture of an owl without any feathers, I kind of worry

You're horrifying, but it showcases something really interesting. Their ears are offset. So they have one ear that's higher and one ear that's lower, and it's to help them pinpoint where prey is. Because like you were saying, they mainly eat lemmings, and those guys don't like hanging up above ground because, of course, there's owls hanging around. So they're underground, under the snow, and these owls can hear. hear where they are and not only where they are, they can tell if a lemming or a rodent is pregnant or not. And they will actually target pregnant lemmings because there's more food there. Really?

Yeah, absolutely wild. So they have not only great eyesight, but incredible hearing as well. What is it that they're hearing? Do you know? Like, second heartbeat or? I don't know if it's a second heartbeats? Maybe. Yeah, maybe. Maybe it's the mom's. heart that's bigger that it's pumped more blood to or fetus. Or yeah, or maybe they are hearing the second heartbeat.

That is absurd. Wow. Damn. Yeah, it's crazy. It boggles the mind. Absolutely. Yeah, like those species that hunt in the snow are so special. You may have seen on the nature documentaries, like the Arctic Fox that kind of does the same thing where

it's just walking along the snow and then all of a sudden seemingly some random point it just goes like just like pops down to the snow and just comes up with a little rodent. It's like, damn. even more impressive, I'd say, for a bird that is just flying above the ground to just pinpoint a spot and come out with a prey item. Yeah. And then, so if you've ever seen a U.S. military stealth bomber, those big flat, black ones, they've modeled the paneling on those after an owl's wing.

So on an owl's wing, they have these big feathers at the top of their wing. And then towards the back of it, they have all these smaller feathers. And what happens is they fly through the air. the air currents hit these big feathers first and then they hit continually smaller and smaller feathers and this breaks up all those air currents so you can't hear an owl fly until it's already past you I know I saw I saw a video in one of my classes I remember is my wildlife biology class of a barn owl I think it was a barn owl in flight and it was legit like it was silent they did a couple of different birds and some of them you could hear some light flapping but I'm pretty sure it's a

barn owl. This barn owl flying through, there was no noise. It was just insane to hear. Like, just I can't even describe. It was, it was silence. Just this bird, like this large bird. Owls are big. Except I know you have your screech owls. You have your, your, your, your burrowing owls. Those are small. But there's a lot of large owls out there. I mean, they're a, they're a raptor. They're a large bird of prey. And this video was just this bird flying from one handler to the other. And there was, it was just complete dead silence. And it was just, such a cool representative of how like you said we're modeling we're modeling systems made through evolutionary processes and wildlife for anthropogenic means like making aircraft and then also just

how well suited this animal is to be just an apex predator yeah millions of years of evolution have kind of come to this point in time that have just made this almost perfect killing machine yeah well yeah i think that uh as a good representative our third of three badass species today super great first episode. We're going to have a ton more coming at you. We have well over 50,000 observations now. So you and I got a lot of source material to go through. Yeah, it's insane. I remember it was like our first benchmark, I think was just like a thousand or something. Yeah. I think that we're at 50,000 now is incredible. So yeah, we definitely have a lot more observations for you guys. And it's only growing. So it's exciting. We're going to keep showing you all observations that

you've done in the past, ones that you're bringing up as we're recording these episodes. So Don't feel like if you don't have any past observations that you can't submit new ones or don't think that if you did submit ones in the past that they're not valid because they definitely are. We're digging through. We're looking for the cool stuff and we're just so excited to be presenting it to all of you and giving you some cool education to go with it. Yeah, definitely. Couldn't have said it better myself. All right. Good stuff.

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