Wild Times: Wildlife Education - Ultra-Rare Vaquita Spotted with New Babies

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

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What's going on? Hello. Hey, welcome to the Wild Times. Pod, here we are. We're in studio. Hey, December 1st, happy Christmas month. I know. Yeah. My gun is going to be ready to pick up soon. I'm very happy about that. I'm sorry, what? Yeah, that's different. You know, they make you wait so long in California. It's been a month. It's been a month. Here I was thinking we're going to talk about Christmas trees. Nah, it's my Christmas present to myself. I got the whole house decorated. It's very festive. Do it yourself or did you, did you hire people again this year? No, because we're leaving. Oh. So I didn't want to.

It was like, I paid like three grand to have my house decorated and like no one sees it except like my two neighbors. Yeah. And I was just like, I'm not doing that again. That was a manic decision. My wife bought you a Christmas candle. I mean, for the studio, but you're not as Christmas success as he is. He dresses like an elf every Halloween. It's fantastic.

Is it? Should we light it? Get some aroma in here? Yeah, I don't know how to light. No fire in here. No, Jessica got that at Trader Joe's. She's like, the guys need a Christmas candle for the. She is absolutely

That's right. Kyle, hit the jingle. Let's get right into it. News from the underground. News. What do you got? From the underground. I saw some great news.

It came out a few weeks ago. I was very, very excited by this. Peter, what's a Vakita? Banana? That's a chessita. It's close. Yeah, it's a good guess, though. Do you recall we have talked about it before?

God, no. No idea. That's okay. It's been five years, bro. There's been so many things. Yeah, that's fair. It's the world's smallest porpoise. It's an animal that I've worked with Konap in Baja on.

We've tracked them. We've tried to do some sampling, but had issues with permits and government and blah, blah, blah, blah. It's a world's smallest porpoise. It's also the most endangered cetace. Yep, that's right. There are, when I was working with them, which was going on two years ago now,

There were 10 of them known left in the wild. Now, they live only in the Northern Sea of Cortez in a very small range. Do your job. Do your job to only have 10 of something left. In the whole world, like it almost feels impossible to not have it go extinct. Yeah. Can you pull up the Vakita, actually, not the Sea of Cortez, but yeah. Do these guys have, they're adorable.

They're adorable. Predators. Little panda eyes. They do have predators. They're predators are us, human beings, because we're awful. Yes, correct. But I'll explain. I'll explain just, Kyle, have you not had your magic mind?

It's a matter with you. I need one. The bikini are these beautiful little porpses, the smallest porps in the world, most endangered porps in the world, when there was a population estimate of 10 of them when I was working on them two years ago. Now, the reason they're so critically endangered is because in the Northern Sea of Cortez,

there's a fish cord, the Tortuaba. Tortua is a large white sea bass-like fish that allegedly used to be so many, they numbered in the millions, they'd run up the Colorado River before we fucked it all up and built the Hoover Dam and everything else. Now the ecosystem is shifted.

The Vakita have been captured as bycatch in the nets for the Tortua trade. There's a very great movie called Sea of Shadows that goes into depth on this. The Tortua trade is all illegal. It's all done for Eastern medicine for their swim bladders to make your pee-pig bigger. And as a byproduct of illegal fishing for Tortua,

these poor little porpoises that are the same size as that large fish have been driven to near extinction. Now, that's the setup because I wanted people to understand how impactful this piece of news is. It is fair to say, I've said this a number of times, these animals are doomed unless something is done. At least that's what I thought until we saw this lovely piece of news come out. The Vakita found only in Mexico's Gulf Blah Blah, just said all that, which has 10 individuals left, as you see it there. Basically, two new calves have been confirmed. So they are actively reproducing even against all of the stress.

Now, you think to yourself, all right, two of them have been born, who cares, big deal, that's two. Well, that's 20% of the population that's just increased. Yeah. You know, you've got to think exponential growth. Those two will turn into four, into eight, into 16, 32. It's only a couple rounds of breeding, and then you're well into the hundreds. I mean, hopefully.

Unless six of them swim into a net tomorrow. Right. And that's the problem is these nets are still out there and there's still a lot of active poaching and everything else. But yeah, I mean, it's great news. It's really exciting. Even this is probably the best drone footage that's ever been captured. A one, they're very shy, very elusive little critters.

But yeah, there we go. It's really good news. Isn't there like a whole bunch of like cartel activity surrounding the Tortuaba stuff? Why do you think I didn't get my permits? Okay. Okay. It's, no, it's very, and I don't want to say anything bad just because I love the area. I love Baja, everything else.

But you don't want to hit put out on you. Well, that too. But no, it's just, so the tortuaba trade for that swim bladder, which I mentioned, pull up a tortua if you would, please, Kyle, is an illegal trade. And it's because the only way they can catch this also endangered fish is through the gill nets. So guess what happens when it's an illegal trade gets controlled by the cartels? Now, the tortuaba swim bladder is more valuable than gold. Wow. Yeah, per per ounce or per pound or whatever it is. So, yeah, so the incentive to catch these fish and to, take their swim bladders and export them to China is incredibly high because of the value. But because it's an illegal trade and it's not a regulated fishery, that illegal trade is all controlled by mafia. But it's not Chinese, it's not cartels the way you're thinking that it is.

Sure. It's Chinese mafia that are paying the Mexican cartel for the trade to happen. Oh, interesting. So why do they think this swim bladder, as I'm looking at it, just looks like some dried goo, it's what it is. Because humans are, I mean, we're animals as much as we like to think that with this. What are they really use it for?

Is it actually supposed to grow your penis? Go down to that third graphic down there. I got to imagine they grind it into powders and they probably put it in their... Oh, no, that's just a morphology. Drinks or rub it on their balls? Yeah. But is it supposed to be like a Cialis type thing or is it supposed to be... I mean, it's like all these Eastern medicine things in China,

tiger whiskers and snake wine and all that. None of it does anything. What is the belief, Kyle? What's it say there? Right to Turola, a highly prize. Yeah, and it's the smallest font I've ever seen.

I can't even see it. Kyle forgot how to zoom on Chrome. It is one of the four treasures of Cantonese cuisine. Oh, interesting. I don't think. There it is, though. Look, treating circulatory and fertility problems,

improving skin complexion and elasticity, boost the immune system, helping with insomnia and dizziness, supporting post-nasel recovery. So it's quite a few things. Yeah. So it's a miracle cure. It'll fix everything if you eat this poor rare fish's bladder that is literally the same as eating stomach lining of a pig. So it'll give you more sperm, but also it's perfect for your skin.

Should we grab some? Should we head down and pick some up? My question is if this is popular in the Far East, why is this? How do they learn about this in Mexico? Because swim bladders are something that all bony fish share. It's what regulates their buoyancy. So a swim bladder in a fish is an empty sack. And they fill it with air or they lose the air depending on their buoyancy.

That's how they regulate buoyancy. The reason it's popular medicine in the Far East is because they had many and still do many of their own fish that have swim bladders. The Tortuava, however, being a large croaker, which is the group of fish, the family of fish that it's in, has the largest of the swim bladder. So it's not that it's not that it's the Tortuava swim bladder that's so valuable. the fact that you can get a swim bladder that's three feet long versus on another fish, it's two inches long.

Got it. Now, these, these tortabas, they're under the water, right? They don't come up to the top like a dolphin or anything like that? It is a fish, yes.

Okay. So my question, yeah, they're under the water. Yeah, I'm used to it. But the, my question is,

where do they get the air to fill the swim bladder? It's through respiratory system. So it, they take it out of the water, like the oxygen out of the water? Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy.

I didn't know that's possible. Yeah, there's no gulps of air happening. It's, it's, it's, it's, they're through their body, through their system, they're inflating. At first, when you asked the question, I was like, what's he talking about? And then I was like, oh, that's a really good question. Like, where do they get the air from? Yeah, I mean, it's a huge. They don't have a blowhole is what you're saying.

Now, so this is kind of an interesting story. When I started working on Vakita, the idea that I had. So I partnered with Colossil on part of the Vakita stuff. Unfortunately, we got very shut down. It was a bunch of regulation. you had a hard time with it. Still, still actively being seeked and worked on, but not the route that I wanted to go

with it. What I wanted to do in order to mitigate this problem, there's a whole genetic component to it, but colossal being a multi-billion dollar company now, I said to Ben, the CEO, I said, hey, let's build the world's largest tortuava farms in the northern sea of Cortez so that we can breed these fish

and give out swimbladders or flood the market with swim bladders and there'll be no trade for Tortuaba thus there'll be no gill netting thus the Vakita can bounce back that's much better than saying we're gonna go police the cartel which will never happen

or we're gonna go stop these artisanal fishermen from fishing which will never happen right that was my solution to doing it and so that was one of like what do he say he was like yeah figure out how to do it and then it's all these issues yeah it's impossible by the way colossal

I listened to mostly football podcast during the football season. I told you guys this. Do you remember? I told you in confidence that this had happened. You didn't. I did. Kyle, did I not tell you about this? I don't know. He did. I remember. Oh, okay. But yeah, so they were in the news and the football I'm like, wow, like colossal,

everyone's making fun of this story because it's fucking weird. It is. It's incredibly weird and it's because it's Tom Brady, it's even weirder. Of course. Sorry, set it up. I don't think. Yeah. So, did this just come out this week? Must have. A couple weeks ago.

But Tom Brady had his dog, his beloved dog, which died many years ago. Yep. Or several years ago. I didn't know it had died years ago. Yeah. Okay. So he had saved some. His beloved dog, Lua, uh, colossal, which died in 2023, Colossal used Lua's DNA to, to clone him a new dog.

Through non-invasive, the first non-invasive cloning. They just took a sample of Luna's blood while she was still alive. Okay. And built a new dog from the sample. Now, here's the weird thing. It doesn't look anything like his original dog. I was going to say, it's not that weird. I'm just kidding.

I have no idea. But it's not that weird. But it's weird because it's Tom Brady who's fucking weird. But do you know why? He's an investor. He's one of the earliest investors into Colossol. And supposedly they also cloned a dog for Barbara Streisand and Paris Hilton. Oh, well, that I didn't know.

This is how you build your company up, by the way. But this was confidential. So there was a very small group of us because I was an early advisor to Colossel, as you guys know. who knew about this. And I remember, at least I told you and Kyle, maybe, maybe Patrick wasn't in the room. No, they were here. They were all here. I wasn't listening. Okay, he was tuned out. But I told you guys when we weren't recording, I was like, you want to know something crazy? Colossil just clone Tom Brady's dog. And it was like, and I think Peter, you were like, dude, can we talk about that? I was like, no, no, no. This is like confidential. Like, yeah, they asked me not to say it. But I knew this and have

known this for years. Then all of a sudden I saw it hit the news cycle last week. And I was like, oh, look at that. I don't know, man. Like, I'm actually really. curious. Let us know in the comments which side you're on on this. This just, I think it's weird. You do? Like, I love my dog as much as anyone. I don't think I would want to get my dog

cloned. I feel like you just get a new dog and love a new dog. Right. Well, you experience more that way. I'm with you, by the way. All right, so it's free. Colossil says it's free. Are you taking them up on it? Well, okay. Here's my answer to that. Hoover's getting cloned. Right now, no.

And I'll tell you why. Hoover is five and a half years old. He's fit. He's healthy. He's an awesome dog. When Chester got diagnosed with that crazy cancer, and I don't know if you guys remember. My last dog, Chester, died very, very suddenly when he was six years old.

There was like a not even a two week, like a five-day period where we're like, your dog's going to die in the next two days. And our hearts were broken. Yeah. I would have done anything right then and there. Sure, sure. So that's, I think it depends on my emotional state because right then and there, if, and this was before I was

working with Glossil or anything, if I could have picked up the phone to Ben and said, Ben, my dog Chester's dying, please clone him for me, it'll make my, it'll repair my family. Yeah. I probably would have done it. Yeah. But right now with a healthy five and a half year old dog, I wouldn't do it. That's a very good point. I just don't have a problem

with it. Like, I don't know if I do it, but like, I'm not going to hate on anybody who doesn't. You want a clone dogs? Sure, have one. Okay. I'm not hating on it. I just think Tom Brady, here's the weird thing? I don't think it's weird that Paris Hilton or Barbara Streisend. It's just a dumb right. He's like such a weird robot.

Like he's to clone himself. I was just going to say that. I guarantee you. He's saving up DNA. By the way, I think that's why he, if I don't know anything, I bet that was one of his motivations to invest to clone himself so that he could start laying the groundwork to clone himself. Let's get him on the pod.

I mean, he'd make a lot of money that way. But like here's the thing, man. If you clone yourself, your brain doesn't exist in this new course. Right. Your consciousness is you're a different person. So the way that it's been described to me with cloning is same hardware, different software. Okay. So the hardware is identical.

The exterior, the height, the eyes, the palette, the everything else. The software is completely rewritten. Yeah. So it's environmental. You have no idea what you're going to get on the inside. Yeah. You're cloning the meat, the meat suit. Like, yeah, like everything else is, is whatever left to nurture pretty much, right?

I wonder if, was this a disaster? Like, like, did Tom let the slip by accident? And now everybody's like, this happened. Oh, dude, I'm sorry to interrupt, bro. I've just been smelling this candle the entire time. I was like, I should move it over by Peter. Let him get a whip. He can just enjoy.

Kyle, you got a lighter on you, pal? Sure, no. We're talking about the candle for those of you listening that we mentioned the beginning of the pod. Like, Pat open it up now and it's beginning to smell. know a lot like Christmas in here and like, oh my God. It's just childhood and gingerbread houses. It makes it really hard not to just start guzzling booze. It's so Christmassy.

Oh, my God. By the way, oh, where's the bat? It's around the corner. Right there, Peter, I can grab it. Just a listener, Jordan Dazarn. I just want to say thank you. Yeah, big shout out. He works at a bat company called Viper and he sent us a custom bat for the studio.

Oh, I definitely thought you're going to pitch. Which, by the way, Forrest was swinging it before you got here. almost smashed down one of the lights and then almost smashed a camera. I thought about smashing the camera. Well, you turned to the camera and took a swing at it. Yeah. But this is really cool because it says wild times Peter Patrick and Forrest, Viper bats. And we all said, how cool would it be to have this for home defense?

And then you forehead stamp somebody with a wild time. Oh, yeah. Ah, yeah. If you work at a hospital and you see somebody come in with one of those stamped on your forehead, you know what happened. Well, thank you, Jordan. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah.

That's awesome. Very cool gift. By the way, oh, no, Kyle hasn't made it yet. I was just, the smell of this got me really antsy to do the Christmas party bracket. Oh, yeah. But I think we'll save that for the next public park. Smart. Oh, by the way, this month, as a Christmas gift to everyone, we're doing four public pods this month.

That's right. Instead of the usual two. We're doing four. But let's be honest with the brosners. Yeah. It's not a gift to them. It's a gift to ourselves to get into the studio more. Yeah, that's right.

Drink more booze and hang out. That's true. We got loaded up on the light. She had 100%. It was entirely for ourselves. Also, you were gone for a lot of November, so we didn't get to hang out that much. Are we going to do a... I can't believe it's already been a year since we had our Wild Times Christmas party at my house.

Don't ask whether we're going to do it. You know we're going to do it. Yeah, we got to do it. Are we going to make it official, like get a date locked in? Yes, we must. I sent you a text yesterday. There's another reason to celebrate. And I don't think this is political or controversial.

Everybody hates this guy. To be clear, by saying that, it's definitely political and controversial. but please move forward. So years and years ago, I was out with our friend Justin, I believe in Pat, and we were talking about what an evil man, Dick Cheney is.

And like we were hammered and we were like, yeah, we should throw a huge party. The day he dies, like there needs to be a huge party thrown. Okay. So he died recently a few weeks ago. And I think it's time we live up to that pledge.

So we'll combine that with the Christmas party. You know, I still can't. So shotguns at the Christmas party. And bats baseball bats is shotgun. You just look at a picture of an old, guy and I can't get excited about anyone dying. No, I feel that.

What really bothers me about Dick Cheney is he was like 75 and had a bad heart and he got a heart transplant, which is like unheard of. Well, that's insane. Right. And that's like, that's completely against the rules. Dude, my dad was like had a heart attack at like 71. Yeah. And I was talking to the doctor at the VA. And I was like, like my brother was like is like a transplant an option.

And he's, and he literally goes. And he's like, no, we don't put hearts into people that are in their 70s and smoke cigarettes and drink booze. Yeah. He wore his out. He ain't getting a new one. Yeah, exactly. Somehow this asshole gets it. Well, that's fucked up.

Now I'm pissed. I believe that was what sparked the outrage when we first made the pledge. So, but here's the thing, man. So last year we did the Christmas party. And one of the ideas was that we were going to film some content because Kyle was going to come. And then I forget why did you flake last time? I don't remember. I know why.

Why? Because we're three married men with young children having a Christmas party. Yeah. It's not fun for him. I think he would have had fun. I would have definitely come. There was just, I don't remember the reason,

but yeah, I couldn't make it. Well, this year, you're joining. You can bring your girlfriend. It can be, it can be a family affair for all.

You can pick up some random street children. He's not going to. Look at the look on his face, dude. It's not, it's less far than your drive to the studio. And we have a guest room that you guys can

sleeping. I'm very happy. Why are you lying to us right now? Why don't we do it the day before we're going to have the studio day? That way. No. Yeah, no. No fucking way, dude. I can't think how miserable we'll be sitting in here that next day. Well, we just cancel it. We can say we're going to.

We're going to. From the house. Dude, you want to talk about outrage. How about this lady? Another news story for you. This lady runs a zoo. Okay. The natural bridge zoo. Where is that, Kyle? Dead air. Rock Bridge.

Oh, County. Okay, I don't know where that is. This lady runs a zoo, right? Let's find out what state that's in come.

Yeah, in Rockbridge County unknown state. Mm-hmm. And her giraffe gave birth recently. Virginia. Oh, that's nice.

That's sweet. It's lovely. What's it called? What's the name of the zoo? Natural Bridge Zoo. In Virginia. Okay. So she's,

Gretchen Moganson is running a zoo. She's running a zoo. She's got a year off. She's got a lovely, a lovely facility, allegedly. her iraf gives birth to not one but two new baby yurafs. Okay.

They give birth, is that two at one? They do a litter? Giraffes do? I think it's one or two. Okay. Regardless, all of a sudden, giraffes disappear. Uh-oh. That's the news story.

They're gone. She sold the giraffes? Who knows? What else did you do with a giraffe? How else do you lose two giraffe babies? I don't know. Oh, man, that's sad. But they've disappeared, and now she faces, what did I read up to a year in jail?

A hundred days per some time period she does. So she basically, the longer that she doesn't reveal the location, gets more time tacked down to her jail. So the giraffes disappeared. And they're saying that she moved them and didn't allow state inspectors into the area. That's right. They finally got in. They're saying she moved them to avoid their seizure. So I don't know why the state or the county was going to potentially seize these.

Well, we saw what they did with those squirrels. So who the hell knows what they did? Maybe she's in the right here. Maybe she is. But it made me think of, did you guys watch Chimp Crazy? Oh, wait, is this her? Not yet. Oh, my good.

I kind of want to hear her speak on this. I want to know what her defense is listening in. Well, she's saying that other, they can't, basically her defense is, you can't prove that I moved them because there were other people that had access to the area. so we don't know who moved him. But she is under criminal investigation. So why was the county going to take possession of... It's a good question.

The animals. And what were they going to do with them? Aren't they better off in the facility? Right, yeah. Maybe, I mean, yeah, what could they possibly want to be doing with it? Did they just want to inspect them and make sure it was all... I don't know. About boy?

Mystery deepens about... So these baby giraffes are somewhere. These calves. Interesting. It never really occurred to me that you have to report when you have your animals give birth. So look this up real quick. Yeah, not in Texas. Is this an AZA accredited zoo?

Aza. What's AZA? American Zoo Association. That's right. Yeah. So here's the thing. And this is actually, let's see if it's AZA. This is what's, I mean, look, I talk about the flaws of conservation of wildlife and stuff all the time and the system of it.

and not the actual act of it. And this is not an AZA accredited zoo, which means it's a privately owned zoo, which means it doesn't have any specific standards that it needs to meet. So I don't even know. It's like a Tiger King Zoo, basically. I mean, you can say that,

but it might be a phenomenal zoo. It's just not, it just doesn't have to hit these certain standards that this one organization has put out there. Sure. This accreditation organization. I got a feeling that this lady's been in trouble before. This isn't a first.

I mean, that looks awesome. Look at that place. You're just driving through in your shitty sedan. There's llamas with their heads in the window. Looks great. Yeah. I don't know. But my point of all of this is if you're someone who privately owns a zoo and it's a good zoo and it's not a Tiger King situation.

And this place looks good to me. And I could be totally wrong. Yeah, yeah. We don't know. No, but it looks nice in the pictures. I mean, that doesn't. But, and then your giraffe has babies and you decide to move those babies to another facility. or for whatever purpose you decide,

the state needs to eat a dick on that. They really, like, they have, they should have no say in that. You know what I mean? It's not like the state is funding them. Are those cella? No, those are bongos, bongos. Bongos, bongos,

why am I saying it wrong? Bongos. What is it? Bongo's, but I said bogoes. This is not the same zoo. That's what, that's not the same. What's our plan here, by the way? Like, these things are going to grow up to be full-sized giraffes.

No, but I'm sure she was... I'm in a very tall house. I have to imagine there was rationale behind this. Like, oh, that's a bad mother or the male's going to kill them or we need to move them over here to give them some space or something. You know, it's too cold over there. Something. Here's a quick question.

Why is she, like, she shouldn't be in trouble for running her zoo. I'm serious. We've got to get her on the pod. Make a note, Kyle. I want to hear her side of this. I'd be very interesting. I would actually like that a lot. Sorry, what's your question, Pat?

So, okay, I have a question. What's the single most important thing that you guys rely on when you're on these adventures in remote places? I mean, to me, it's pretty obvious. When you're traveling somewhere that has rugged terrain, the vehicle that gets you there is the difference between having a great time or not so much. So when we're traveling, whether it's domestic or international, we always, always, always try to get Toyota trucks, right? Oh, 100%. I think about when we were in Sinki, DeVahara and Madagawa. and the huge rains came. I was just thinking about that trip.

Yeah. Yeah, we had a caravan of about 10 trucks. And literally, and we have video of this, all the Toyotas made it out. And there were three or four other trucks that got stuck in the mud for multiple days. Patrick and I were, of course, in the Toyota's. Nice. Comfortable the entire time.

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Yeah. Oh, well, they probably, they probably feed them to keep them docile because they're fat. They don't want to move around or? No, I don't think they do it intentionally. You notice, like most of the Tiger King's tigers were incredibly overweight. Yeah. Like that's not what a tiger is supposed. Look on the natural bridge one there.

That's not the body of a typical tiger. That's a very unathletical. cat. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you see this a lot, especially with tigers more than cats. So all of these animals, I have a whole like theory and rant on this. Oh, let's have it. Well, okay, it's very simple to me. And I'll put it into a perspective that I think makes sense. Cheetahs will come back to tigers. This will come full circle, I swear to God. Cheetahs in captivity, the world over, have had digestive and health issues everywhere, always. Why are you laughing? All right. I was trying not to make Patrick's chugging a gallon of water right now.

Instead, it's turned into a 30 second interstitial. Cheetahs throughout the world in captivity have had health issues. They always have. People haven't understood why. They fed them high fat diets, low fat diets, chickens, goats, pigs, you name it. Cheetahs die young in captivity. Why? Yeah.

Nobody knows. Let's treat them. So what does the medical system do? They go, let's give them antibiotics. Let's give them steroids. Let's do this. Let's do that. cheetahs now have issues plus a bunch of drugs in their systems.

Okay? This guy I know, Dr. Craig at Ventara in India, he goes, well, wait a minute, is South African guy. I grew up around cheetahs. Cheetahs fast, and then they gorge themselves, and then they fast. That's how cheetahs are. In the wild, they sprint, they kill something, they eat themselves sick to the point of their stomachs being distended, them being so full, and then they don't eat for a week. And then they kill something and do it again.

Let's try that. So because he wasn't at an AZA-acc credited zoo, he did it that way. Guess what? No health issues. That simple. All he did was mimic the natural behavior of the animal. And he's like, guess what? No health issues.

And I don't know this about AZA-A, so I don't want to get like fucking ripped to shred by their organization. But like if you are following the AZA guidelines or whatever zoo protocol guidelines, you have to feed your cat every day or something like that for the health of the cat. You know what I mean? That's not healthy. That's not what they do. So to come full circle on tigers, what happens here is you have these tigers.

A lot of these, I mean, if you guys saw Tiger King, you know he got his meat from the Walmart dumpsters. Yep, right. And they just give them giant piles of food every day, every other day. But then they're kept in, you know, an eighth of an acre enclosure. Yeah. They don't hunt. They don't run. They don't do anything a tiger swims.

Seems pretty fucking obvious. They just get fucking fat. Yeah. Like, who wouldn't? Yeah. But with that comes all the health problems that obesity brings. regardless of what species you are. Yeah.

And so to answer Pat's question, I mean, the natural cycles aren't mimicked enough. A lot of these, one thing I know for sure with AZA is you cannot feed live animals, which means these animals never get to hunt. Say that again. Oh. You cannot feed a tiger a live animal.

Right. And I'm not pro that I get. I understand it. But like, I would be totally fine with, and this, I might get grilled for saying this, if you released rabbits into the tiger pen.

Okay? So if the tiger had the ability to chase a rabbit around, and catch it and kill it and eat it, I'm all for it. I don't really understand why that's that offensive. There's a live donkey being fed to tigers at a Chinese zoo, and it looks like one of the most inhumane things I've ever seen. Oh, yeah, that looks awful. Because it's like just stuck in this pen and they're just eating it alive.

Like they're not even bothered to killing it. And that's why you don't have this. Yeah, and that's, all right off the screen. This is offensive to look at. You know, so my point is, it's like, it's a really strange double-edged sword. It's like you want to have these animals in captivity, but then what we think is unethical

is feeding them live animals, but their prey being live animals, but then their natural cycle is to eat live animals. So instead we give them mounds of dead processed meat. Another thing, too, that a lot of zoos will do because they're scared, same like feeding your dog, right? Like, never give your dog a chicken bone, right? Because they can shred its throat or whatever.

Right, except your dog is one thing because it's been bred to be pathetic for thousands of generations. Right. These things need to eat bones. And liver and skin, when you're feeding your tigers dumpster meat from Walmart, ground beef. You're literally just giving it the cheapest part of the cow that has no vitamins or nutrients in it. Not fresh.

I mean, it's processed. You know, like, have you guys ever seen like dog races? Like they haven't been in Florida where the greyhounds. Oh, I love dog races. So they have. Is that cruel? I'm not a fan. Have you ever been to there at dog races?

Nah. It's pretty awesome. I went once in Florida. I lost my ass. I didn't win a single bet. No, yeah. And to be fair, they do treat the greyhounds nice and they adopt them out after they're done with their racing lives and stuff. It's not like they just kill them or something.

Dude, I went to one. I went to him as a kid. I thought it was amazing. But anyway, sorry, what's your point? Oh, just, you know, they have a little mechanical rabbit that's on the track and that's the dog, you know, and the dogs run and the rabbits. Yep, there is. Yeah. So they use this little mechanical rabbit.

So, like, couldn't you design something in the tiger pen that you would condition them that they have to chase this like, animatronic thing, get a bunch of exercise, and then when they get it, even though it's just a plushy, that's when they get fed. Absolutely. Kyle, pull up me racing the Cheetah with the animatronic thing. Don't we have that somewhere? This sounds fascinating. I raced a cheetah.

You can guess who won. I mean, you barely caught a sheep, mate. Yeah, I know. Tell me about it. Yes, you can absolutely do that. The problem with tigers, all of these animals is they will become complacent for. that thing. So if you just had that track in the tiger

enclosure. Yeah. And they it'd be one thing if you condition them so that they only get fed once they catch the rabbit. They only... Yeah. In Lazu they're only getting fed. I don't want to hijack your cheetah thing. To be clear, my point was they got to chase it. You make it really fast so they can't get it.

Yep. Yep. It zigzags. It does cool stuff. Yep. This thing right here. This will cost $10,000. No, not even. And then they can only get fed once they grab the plushy. I think it's a great idea. And I've never heard of anybody doing that. Can I talk to the CEO of the zoo? Yes.

I think you should. I think you should pitch that. Well, she's in court right now. So you have to wait. Okay, so this is you getting ready to. I'm stretching, bro. I'm fucking nearly 40 years old. What is your plan here?

I've got to start watching your channel more. Oh, wow. The Cheetah enclosure is huge. That's just the running pen for the cheetahs. It's bigger than a football. Oh, my God. Pause for one second. So just like what we've just talked about.

It's huge. Just like what we've just talked about here. that Ventara, they do all these things for the animals that mimic their natural behavior. So pause that. That is just the cheetah run. So see all the enclosures around it. There's a one acre enclosure for each cheetah or each cheetah group.

And then each of them gets to come into this run and do sprints. Oh my God. By the way, so that run, eyeballing it, I would say is about two full football fields including the end zone. It's massive. And they set up this little like gray hound thing like what you were talking about, the little bunny.

Yeah. And it does a full loop. Around that. So it's like, yeah. And then I'm like, I can beat it. And I never said that. Give it some sound there too. I think you might have. That was cheating.

Oh my God. That was cheating. You know, it's funny. Can you go back a little bit? And I don't want to make fun of you too much. Oh, please do. That's the whole point. You're fast.

I used to be. You look so slow here. Did you slow that down? Not only do you look slow. You look ridiculous. Oh, I know. The form's bad. Do you have something shoved up your ass?

It does. look a bit like that. I'm not sure. I don't know, to be honest. I don't know why. Just that one shot. I don't know. I don't know. I'm quick. A boomerang of it.

Try and find people who can outrun me. I swear to God, I'm fast as hell. He really is like much faster than me. And I was kind of fast like, you know, playing high school sports and stuff. Yeah. That is a wild run. I think what it is, I think, go back. If you can stop when he starts running right here, this shot, once we get.

a little bit of four right there. I think the back of your pants might be falling down. Yeah, that's what my legs look shorter. That's pretty cool. And the Cheetah, by the way, the Cheetah was at 5%. Oh, it's just loping. It's loping, yeah. It's literally not even trying, yeah.

But it not trying is still going 40. Exactly. Yeah. Right. And I was doing like 38. Yeah, yeah. The 38 centimeters an hour. So when they do top speeds of like the fastest runs in the NFL each year,

Yeah. I think usually the top end speeds like around, is it like 24, 26. Yeah. Yeah. You Hussein Bolt, I think, is at 27 something, the fastest person ever. Yeah. And that's for like, like how long is that for? 20.

How far do they do? Yeah, 27.8. It's basically whatever the max speed they get during the run. Okay. So this is it. Hussein Bolt hit 27.8 miles per hour. fastest man to ever run. I'd love to see Hussein Bolt against a cheetah.

It's Usain. Well, it is Usain. Uh, type in. So. But also look how effortless he looks with just how smooth he's running. Yeah, but check this out, Kyle. Type in Brian Habana, H-A-B-A-N-A versus Cheetah. So there was one of the most famous rugby players in history,

one of absolute role model is this guy named Brian Habana, one of my favorite players in history. And he's incredibly quick. I mean, he's like, could have been an Olympic sprinter quick. And so they had him race a cheetah as a publicity stunt. And I mean, you should look up his top speed because it won't be much behind you, same ball. Here we go.

here we go. And it's just like the Cheetah, again. It's getting a head start too for a good head start. And it's not even close. No, it's impossible. The Cheetah is just, look at how far it leaps when it runs. Well, it's running form is just so fucking awesome. When you see it slow mo.

So efficient. I feel like they could actually run on top of water, can't they? Probably. It's like crazy. They barely touch the ground. It's like they're floating. So I had an idea for a detour. destination of the week, brought to you by Toyota Trucks.

Okay. What do you got? What do you got this week? So I did this a couple years ago, and it was one of my favorite, I was like seven years ago now, one of my favorite trips I've ever done. Jess and I packed up, flew into Bozeman, Montana, but you want to do it now. That's why I'm bringing it up. So you want to do it before it's dead of winter. So you get a nice, nice weather, clearish skies, snow on the ground. you drive from Bozeman through the most beautiful Montana country to Whitefish. Ooh. Is that like a little town there?

Whitefish Montana, I'm getting goosebumps because White Fish Montana is dreamy. And you go this time of year, you've been there? Yeah, I have not. I've looked at pictures. I know someone who moved. Oh my God. Look at it. It's like a little Christmas village.

It's so lovely. Love that. And at Whitefish Montana, you go on your drive, you stop in. There's phenomenal little coffee shops in Whitefish itself. and everything's beautiful, there's great shopping. That's what it looks like. All winter long, pull that picture up. It looks like you're inside a snow globe.

Now, stay with me, because it doesn't end when you get to whitefish. Slightly above whitefish is the one and only ski resort in the area. Okay. You can go for a day pass, or you can stay in the lovely little log cabins. You drive up the snowy mountain to get there. The escapes are, it looks like this. It's incredible. It's a winter wonderland.

Yeah, yeah. You drive up there, you're overlooking the snow, then you pull into your Toyota truck. You're going to want a truck because it's snowy roads in Montana in wintertime. Yeah, be smart, be safe. And then when you get there, you go to this lovely little log cabin ski resort in whitefish. You grab yourself a nice hot cocoa.

You sit by the coziest. That's the spot right there. I've stated it. What's it called? It doesn't really matter. Beautiful, big fireplace, wood cabin style. faux bearskin rug on the floor. Dude, the picture you are painting

mixed with the smell from this candle. Dude, I'm telling you. I want to pull out my wallet and book a flight right now. I'm telling you, and you go now, the reason I'll brought this up now, it's early December. The holidays haven't quite hit.

It's quiet. Nobody's on the mountain yet because it's not Christmas break. You get the roads to yourself. You get to go to a town that looks like Santa's dream. It looks like a snow globe. Oh, dude, I'm telling you,

you do this tour. And if you're bored, If you're not a big ski, you're not a snow bunny per se, you got fly fishing in the creeks, you got great nightlife, fantastic restaurants, good Christmas shopping. Oh my God. I'm telling you, this is it. What a perfect winter wonderland. I'm telling you, that is my idea of a perfect detour destination of the week.

Brought to you by Toyota trucks. Book it. Yeah, you see. Speaking of things that move very fast, I've been waiting to just drop this in here because we talked about it on a previous pod. I think you should set it up because I think that was a bonus pod. Oh, well, yeah. How do you know what I'm going to talk about?

You're going to talk about the thing that's hurtling through space at $130,000. Really? You knew that? That's amazing. I've known you for like almost 20 years at this point. Yeah, so 3-1A or 3-1-whatever it's called Atlas is this Manhattan-sized. They don't know what it is. It's a giant object that's hurtling through space at several thousands of miles an hour. 130,000 miles.

Okay, so, and we had... We did talk about this on a bonus. We talked a bit about it. It is very interesting. We talked about possible theories. There's a date when it's... We calculated its light speed. Yes.

By the way, the date is in 18 days. That's right. December 19. It's supposed to be the definitive date where they know if this thing is artificially made or a natural comment. So, comment. So check that out. But I just learned that they have scientifically deduced. How old do you think this?

object is that they estimate. I know, unfortunately. Oh, you saw it too? Oh, well, I'm seeing it now, unfortunately. All right. Oh, you are. Okay. Sorry. I was going to guess. Seven. Okay. I was going to guess like a thousand years old. Right. Right. Something reasonable. Even like 400 million. Yeah. Seven billion years old. So the earth is estimated be four point something billion years old. This object, the size of Manhattan, has been floating through.

It's just like, like, think about how big, like, if you can't comprehend how big space is, that this thing has been hurtling through space for 7 billion years and has not encountered another object that has smashed it to pieces. Nah, it's shenanigans. It's crazy. This makes me lose faith in this.

Well, what is space? It makes you... What is 7 billion? It doesn't make sense. But yeah, I mean, the 7 billion, the fact that this thing's been cruising around for 7 billion years, for whatever reason, takes my intrigue level down a bit.

Why is that? It's not an alien. Because I don't think it's a spacecraft. Okay. So here's what we haven't set up. So this thing, it's like three-eye Atlas. Is that what it's called? Three-eye Atlas, I believe, yeah.

Both NASA and Harvard's astronomy lab, whatever, Avi Loeb, said, you know, this thing is very strange. Because it's, they witnessed it accelerating. And then it changed colors in a very strange way and turned blue, which doesn't match up with what they would think of a comet, a normal comet. And so they were speculating that it could be a very hot engine or artificial light that's being created within this thing. Right. That may be a spacecraft. On December 19th, it's going to pass within a closer view of the telescopes that we're watching it with. And what they will expect to see if it's a comet is like a cloud of it breaking apart.

If it hits an atmosphere, though, right? No, no, no, no. No, because it just would be breaking apart as it comes within distance of the sun. Oh, interesting. And so there will be this sort of cloud that will be very visible that would say, yes, this is a comet. And if they don't see that cloud in 18 days, I believe that the official position of both NASA and Harvard will be that it's a craft. Artificially made some type of that has some type of propulsion outside of natural propulsion. How are they determining that it's $7 billion?

That's what I'm saying. That's where I lost interest. Yeah. Okay. So they determine it based on the buildup on the outside of what's on the comment. I keep saying comet. But it has a thick irradiated crust from billions of years of cosmic ray bombardment. Yes.

So that is based on the size of that crust. It's that crust. Are you believing that? Yes. I do. But also, think about... Are you, Kyle? Hang on.

Here's the thing. If I'm fucking Neil deGrasse Tyson and somebody's like, what do you think, what do you think of this comment? I'd be like, ah, look at the fucking cosmic buildup of the space dust. You know, like, it's got to be a couple of bill at least. You just say nonsense. No, stop it. This is science.

There are science-y reasons, Mr. Scientists. Okay. I'm too dumb to understand this. Yeah, that's a problem. But I'm angry because I don't understand it. One more interesting thing is that the one of the top theories of, about how life was started on Earth was, is that it's this cosmic bombardment, cosmic ray bombardment that stirs the normal inert chemicals and over like a slow burn of time

can cause them to turn into life, basically. So that is like a leading theory about how life got started on Earth. So, I mean, this could be just a giant life-bearing thing that's spreading life throughout the universe. That'd be pretty spicy. Yes, it would be. It's like a space seed. Yes. It's like a dandelion.

It's cruising through space and like the odd little seed is just, boop. See, are you interested again now? Come on. That's the, no, I mean, you said you were less interested because of the, well, I wanted it to be a space craft.

Me too, for sure. I guess, theoretically it could be a craft with seven billion years old. So why is it one or the other? Why is it a comet or? Well, natural made versus artificial made. Those are the only things based on all of the looking into space that has been done that they surmise it could be based on how it's moving. It should be a comet, right?

They assume it's a comet. If you Google 3-1 Atlas, Google AI refers to it as a comet. But it's doing things that no other comets have displayed, such as changing color and accelerating. That's a real planet killer. That sucker runs into something. Manhattan-sized comet. Right? I mean, that's like, we need to go full Armageddon on that.

That's only going to come 167 million miles within the earth. Close call. Isn't it fucking crazy that we can look at it? Like, 167 million miles, we've created a device that can like look at it close enough to determine whether it's artificially made or not. What about this piece of news? Oh, boy. Oh, God.

Yeah, I saw this. Hey, listen, I'm all for it. The more publicity that these space things get, I'm happy. Read the headline. But do it with a very straight scientific read. Kim Kardashian is welcome to join my research team on 3-1A, 3-I-3-3-1 Atlas. That's an eye. 3-I? I think it's 3-1. 3-I Atlas.

I stands for interstellar. I don't even know what to say to any of that. No? Very good. Do you mean the influencer who has sex tapes is helping with the comet? Anybody who can peak curiosity. I mean, come on. I think with this guy who's at Harvard,

Avi Loeb is saying and why he said this, I'm sure, did Kim Kardashian express an interest or something? There was something. But yeah, she did. She posted about it. I think, yes, she did. So I think what he's saying is, in

18 days, maybe even the same night we're having our Wild Times Christmas. I hope so. There's a chance that we're going to find out that something hurtling through space at 130,000 miles an hour that's the size of Manhattan is a craft. I like that's a life-giver theory.

Not that many people care. Well, that's, that was going back to what we talked about on the bonus. It's because of AI. We don't care about anything anymore. Nothing's real. And that's what I'm saying. That's where my point was I like, I like this. Kim Kay.

Yeah, I do, I do too. It's smart. Good move, Avi. Can we get him on the pod? Oh, my God. I think he might. We'll only get 10% of the listeners because they hate when we have guests. Dude, I know.

But, no, I mean, dude, this is big news. I mean, all right, so Peter, what? I'd actually like to try to schedule our Christmas thing for the 19th. Yeah, that could be fun. I love that call. If Kyle can clear his fucking busy schedule. Yeah. We'll do a countdown that night.

So let's say, okay, we'll do the Christmas party on the 19th. You're going to have a moratorium on looking at any news that day. Okay. So that you have to wait till we're all together. All right. You pull up the news and it comes out, NASA announced, this is a three mile by one mile long spacecraft hurtling through space officially. We saw it. We got a look.

Yeah. What are you going to do? Told you. Yeah, that is what he's going to do. I mean, I already know. I don't know that this is artificial. I know that there are artificial spacecraft that we didn't build flying around. I've known it for years.

It's a fact. And only idiots don't believe that. So I'll be like, now scientists say so. Good. That's it. Does it change the way you live your life in any way? It can't, really.

You know, it's like it's always been happening. it will always continue to happen. I'd love to, you know, I'm going to join I'm going to text old Kim Kay and say, let's get on this together. Yeah. But like how it kind of change your life. I mean, what are you going to do? Just be like, holy shit.

Yeah. And then like, I try, you know, I tried to explain this to my wife this whole thing after we did the bonus pod. She was just like, oh, yeah. That's cool. So I got something to say on this because I do find it strange, right? that the more that kind of the UFO thing becomes publicly accepted, there's been now, like congressional testimonies, people have talked about it under oath. Like, there's lots of

evidence that these spacecraft are flying around. We don't know what's in them or anything like that. It can only speculate. But it's like as it gets bigger and bigger into the purview of, like, mainstream news and everything, people will become, they're becoming more accepting that, yes, this is a reality. But nobody ever stops to consider, like, Okay, these technological devices exist. What the fuck made them? What is flying them? It just gets bypassed.

So I feel like the acceptance is coming that these things exist, but it's still, we still have some guard up human beings do against understanding that there is a more advanced intelligence out there. Well, it goes against creationism, right? Isn't that the problem? Well, it's that part of the problem. But I also think it's guardrails. Like, you know, if I gave you.

and the most brilliant math professors in the world, a thousand years to teach a colony of bumblebees how to pass a calculus test. I love when you do that. Would they ever pass the calculus test? Of course not. Yeah. So I think it's just possible that space in general

and the concept of like the origins of life and time even is just truly beyond our comprehension. Our brains are actually capable of understanding. Yeah, I think so. at this time. That's sad. I hope it's not like that forever. I don't think a single human being can comprehend what the number seven billion years means.

Right. I agree. Or space, do it and just how empty it is. You can't. If you're a Manhattan-sized object is flying through space for seven billion years and doesn't run into anything. Like how big is space?

And that's like just the space part of space. And then there's all these planets and stars there too. So it's that much bigger. Yeah. So we did a little math on the bonus pod because we're like, okay, this is going 130,000. miles an hour. That seems really fast. Right. A commercial airplane goes about 600 miles per hour. I believe the speed of light is 130,000

miles a second. So it's something crazy. Yeah. But what was our calculation? So we basically were like, okay, if this came from the next closest solar system to ours. That's right. How long would it take if you're going 130,000 miles an hour? And the answer was 22,000 years. That's right. Yeah. To get to the next star. That's right. Yeah. So like, you know, You could lap the earth five times in an hour. Right. But it's still going to take you 22,000 years to get to the next star. It doesn't make sense.

And this thing's been going through space for $7 billion. So it's been from star to star to star. Think of the things it's seen, man. And we've sort of... Maybe nothing. It's true. Yeah, it hasn't hit anything. My brain is tweaking out right now.

And, you know, we look at everything in the bubble of two, call it 3,000 years. Yeah. Everything. Everything we know about civilization, humanity, animals, people, I guess, except dinosaurs. Right, but everything we know as civilization as human beings is two and a half thousand years although.

Dude, I read this book. It was a such short story and I read it. It was probably the last book I read. It was freshman year of college. But it was a short story by this author named Italo Calvino because I was assigned to read it in class. Okay.

It was like 10 pages, so I was able to finish. But basically the plot of the short stories, some dudes on a he's on like a little something that's orbiting a planet and he's like stuck on it by himself and he passes this

he sees this other thing coming and there's a girl on it and he's like oh my god I'm gonna talk to her and then he like chickens out right at the beginning and then he's like oh my god and he realizes he's gonna be alone for another 10,000 years until he passes her again

and so the whole story is him basically deciding what he's gonna say and what you know what he's going to do when they pass each other and then it gets to the end and they pass and he just chickens out again. Oh, man. That is a tragedy. Yeah, that would be so offend and infuriate. A good thing it's only 10 pages. Imagine you read like a 300 page book. Oh yeah. They'd be fucking pissed. All right. Hey, let's play a game. Kyle, give me a jingle. All right. Kyle, what are we playing? What's the rules? This is the weird animal laws game.

Do people like this? I think they do. Okay, great. Great. I like it. If you don't know what it is, I'm going to read a sentence to these guys that is either a true loss somewhere in the world or something that Edwin has made up. Great. And if the listeners want to turn this into a drinking game, what they could do is every time Kyle flubs a word, you take a shot. Oh, my God. Don't just don't do it while you're in the car. Don't drink while you're in the car. All right, let's do it, Kyle.

All right. First step, in England and Wales, as per the Salmon Act, 1986, it is often an offense. it is often an offense to handle salmon in suspicious circumstances. It doesn't say often. It is an offense to handle salmon in suspicious circumstances. I'm going to read this sentence over again. In England and Wales, as per the Salmon Act, 1986, it is an offense to handle salmon in suspicious circumstances. All right, pause.

Kyle, I want you to say three times fast. Salmon in suspicious circumstances. Salmon in suspicious circumstances. salmon in suspicious circumstances salmon in suspicious circumstances. Wow. I couldn't see that. That's impressive.

So what the fuck is this really about? What's a suspicious circle? Like it would be weird to knock on your neighbor's door to ask for a cup of sugar and be handling a salmon. Yes, that would be suspicious. Like what are, it would be weird to walk into a grocery store with a salmon

in your pocket pointing it at the register. Yeah, that would be odd. I'm going to do one. It would be weird to be out fishing when you come around a corner and see a guy with his pants down handling two salmon. Oh my God. This is too weird to make up and too stupid to make up, so it has to be true.

I got to agree. This would be insane to make up. I mean, yeah, we obviously have to fire, Edwin, if this is false. No, I think he's really clever and pulled a fast one on us. I think there is no Salmon Act of 1986. Okay. All right. What's the answer?

True. Wow. Any more details? Yeah, it says this law, makes it illegal for a person to receive or dispose of salmon when they believe or could be reasonably believed the fish was illegally caught, sold, or removed.

So it was... That's the suspicious part. Oh, it's offense to handle salmon. So you received it under... It's like underground salmon trade. Yeah, okay. Yeah, like if you go to a restaurant and this is England, so they're like, shh, listen, might,

we might, we might have some salmon. Then you go. That's suspicious. I'm going to quote the law of 1986 and get you arrested. It's suspicious to have it. It would be suspicious to have

salmon in an English restaurant at all because all English food is horrible. Oh, that's true. 6% of the listener. I'll give Edwin some credit. He reworded this law very well to trick you guys. Nicely done.

Yes. You're not fired. So two points. One for each of you, zero for me. Yes. Next, in Malaysia, feral monkey populations must not be fed on temple grounds

unless during full moon rituals. Yeah, this is true. That's suspicious. That's suspicious circumstance. There are lots of feral monkeys at temples in Malaysia. But why would you be able to feed him on full moon rituals?

Obviously, because that's when they worship the monkey gods. I got to go false. Are you going true? No, no, you go, Peter. I'm going to say false. My reasoning is that this is true up until the point where he says,

Full moon. Unless during full moon rituals. He just added that. That makes a lot of sense to me. I'm going to go with Peter's guess as well of false. I think it's true because something of import happens during full moon ritual. False. Fuck.

You can't just go true false, true false, Edwin. Damn it. He's only done it once. Let's see what happens. So what's the reality? You just can't ever feed him? Just false. Oh.

It's not even at all. It's actually encouraged. Yeah. All right. One point, one point two points. Correct. Yep. Yep.

Next, in the United Kingdom, it is illegal to be drunk in charge of livestock. No, it's encouraged. This is false. I'm going to say this is a true law and it happened because of some sheep shagging. I think it's true and it's just because barns burned down and people did stupid shit drunk. True. True. It says here, the law dates back to the 1870s and it is illegal to be intoxicated while responsible for carriage, horse, cattle, or steward.

engine. Only carriage horse, though. Yeah. Not regular horse. You can be on your own horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fine. It says the maximum penalty is up to 51 weeks of imprisonment. Wow. Wow. Jesus. What do I do with the horses? That is not currently being enforced. You were allowed to be drunk around your carriage horse, I'm sure. And this happened quite a bit for them to make a law out of it. Of course. You know, I bet it's a law in California that, like, if the cops knew you were hammered around your kids, that, like, they could

arrest you for that. I bet that's a law. Yeah. But it doesn't stop anyone from doing it. Right, exactly. Exactly. Yep. Speaking of California, Kyle, two points across board. Correct. Number four. Number four. California's Fish and Game Code 6883 bans eating frogs that participated in frog jumping competitions. So they have at bars, right? They have turtle races. They have frog jumping competitions. Are those still a thing? I remember that. They still do turtle races. Brennan's in Marina del Rey. Nice. I'm going to say this is false. You can eat your jump and frog.

Agreed. False. That you're perfectly, it's perfectly legal to have them jump and then coat them in batter and fry them and dip them in ranch. I'm torn on this one. I mean, California is ridiculous with shit like this. So I feel like this, like they make bars sign this agreement. I'm going to say true. It's false.

No, it's true. It's true. He goes with the majority. You two are wrong, but you got it, Peter. That's right, baby. guess. California is really one of the stupidest states. It says here the rationale

it says the law requires that if a competition frog dies or is killed it must be destroyed and cannot be eaten or used for any other purposes. Of course, because why utilize it? It's California. We just got to add a law. Yeah. What is that symbol before the game or right

after it says game code? I've never seen that symbol in my life. Section. Do you know California has more than twice as many laws as the state with the next most law. Is that true? Oh, I believe it. 100% true. Awful. I believe it 100% stupid. It's bananas. You could, you, we, we probably

commit what would be technically like 10, break 10 laws a day in California. We're probably doing it right now. Exactly. I swear to go to God. I don't know what we're doing, but we're doing it. But I'm not going to live my life in fear. Report us. Just kidding. All right. Last one. Okay. Five points. Yep, exactly. I was going to say six,

but okay. Let's go a million. Five and a half points. All right. Seven billion points. In Peru. Lama's use for tourism must receive at least six hours of rest between photo sessions. No, there are no laws like this in Peru. Peru might not even have a single law. This is false. I feel like it's a law and of course it is literally less than zero enforcement.

So I'm going to go true law. I also think it's true, but it's not enforced. And what did you say, Peter? I think it's false. Peter wins. I crushed it. With all the points. With all the points.

My logic brain is working. this is not true. Nah, they don't need rest. There are no laws in Peru. I think that's more what it is. Oh, guys. They just don't write frivolous, pointless ones. Yeah.

They're like, guess what? Your llama doesn't need rest because it's taking a photo. An elected lawmaker in California or many of them who were being paid by the public taxpayer dollars wrote code for bars that have frog jumping competitions. All five of them.

Yeah, all five of them. It's the definition of doing something to justify your job. Yeah. Like, it's just like, I haven't made a law this year. I'm going to get fired. I got a frog jumping. Right.

That's a problem. Yeah. I saw that one. I was like, I know this is true. It's just like, just because the word California is. I know. It's true.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Peru. Fall fucks. Hey, so we've got our Christmas party coming up. That's going to be a treat. We'll try to do it on the 19th at Pat's house.

Yes. That'll be a delight. That'll be delight. So you know what else we've got is a great Christmas gift. So finally, if you've been following along on this, saga of the Wild Times Battle Royale game. There's a whole issue with Amazon and everything else.

They're free. They're not free to you. They're free from Amazon, which means you can buy them. You order it. You get it in two days with Prime on Amazon. The reviews are coming in. They're very good. People are really enjoying the game.

It's not just us trying to push you guys to buy a game. People really are enjoying them. Everybody that's buying them are leaving good reviews. Hope you guys check it out. Peter, where are you going to read a review? What are you doing? Yeah, I'll read a review. It just came in recently.

it's from John. John said, hey, thank you, John. First of all, great game, real fun to play with a group of friends, as well as cool artwork. Really appreciate the artwork comment. There's literally 500 or like 400 pieces of artwork on there. Yeah.

And so it's awesome. Where can people get the game? A wild times.com club forward slash BR to get the game. I'll take you right to the Amazon link. For everything else, get all of the extra podcasts. We do the bonus pods, everything else.

We do six per month. I think we're doing like eight per month this year, this month, yeah. But wild times. dot club forward slash info to get that and everything else we do. The merch, everything is there. Wildimes. combe forward slash info.

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