Wild Times: Wildlife Education - Why Raccoons Are Quietly Becoming the Next Exotic Pet

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

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Wow! Wow! Wow! Wow! We're in the studio. Tis the season, gentlemen. That's right. Fara, rah, la la la.

It's a real bummer that we, all of us, even though it's three days before Christmas, forgot to bring our Christmas sweaters. I almost text. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of Christmas. I've listened to Mariah Carey's song 30 times today alone. Dude, I almost texted to bring Christmas jammies.

I'm so bummed. didn't. And I was like, ah, nah, we'll let it. You know, so we, we plan this party. And, and so we got Christmas jammies. Like, we ordered them. Like, we did, my family. And now we just wear them every day. Yeah, since we've gotten them. Yeah, without washing. Of course not.

Foothies, everything. Have you ever seen adults in footie pajamas? They don't slip and fall. It's really difficult. I feel sorry for kids. You got to wear them. The little stick on things that go under them. Yeah. You got to put the footy grip. This is going to be a good show. We have some really fun news. We'll recap our Christmas party. Listen to this whole show. Go hide in a closet.

Hide from your families for an hour. It's been an hour with us. It's worth it. Pop a magic to mine. Dude, I'm so jet lagged. If I don't drink this, I'm fucked. Are you still? Is your clock?

Because you've now been back for 72 hours. My, Kyle, you were in India with me. Tell us about how your night went last night. Give me your sleep schedule. And then I'll give mine. Let's set it up. You guys just got basically, got straight off the plane from Vietnam, came to the Christmas party. Yeah. And then now it's

been what? Two days. It's been two days since we got back from India. And you got drunk, very drunk one of the days. Yeah, which helped with the sleeping. However, last night, I'll tell, I'll just quickly, because I know Kyle's was worse because he sleeps in the studio. Last night, my family, my family went and got a Christmas tree and I was asleep face down on the carpet on the floor at 7.30 p.m. while they decorated around me. Yeah. That's like, I feel like that was my dad. weekend when I was a kid. Yeah, well, that's how mine went. What was your sleep schedule last night, Kyle? I went to bed at my

house, about 7 o'clock, slept until 8, woke up, had dinner, slept from 830 to 1130, drove to the studio, no traffic, got here at 1230, didn't sleep at all. I've been awake since. He's still up. Yeah, he's still up since midnight.

It's 11 p.m. Yeah, the Southeast Asia jet lag is a bad one. There is absolutely nothing worse. and if you fall asleep, like, at 6 p.m. and then wake up before midnight, your odds of being able to get any more sleep that night before, like, 5 a.m. is just, and then it's, you're up.

You just lay in there. Like, I told Kyle, I was like, did you just give up and look at your phone for seven hours and be like, fuck it. I'm just up to the next 24. The options are, because you know you're going to, it's going to be worse if you look at your phone, but the options are look at your phone and do nothing or just stare at the ceiling. Staring at the ceiling's a night, man. Oh, my God.

That's the worst part of insane. I'm pretty sure that's why most people kill themselves. If you do what I do, you check the time on your phone and you're like, all right, I'm not going to look at my phones. Once I start looking at my phone, I'm screwed. I'm not going to go back to sleep. And you're like, all right, I'm going to try to go back to sleep. And then you're like, all right, I've been trying for two hours. I've got to check my phone.

And you check your phone. It's been like seven minutes. Yeah. God damn it. Like what has happened? So I'm only bringing this up because we're talking about sleep and jet lag and this was my night last night. And I know one wants to hear about. about anyone else's dream.

Like when someone starts telling you about their dream, it's just like, dude, I don't care at all. Even if this really happened, I probably wouldn't care. But this was a weird phenomenon. And so I want to see if this has any, ever happened to any of our listeners or you guys. Okay. So went to sleep at about midnight.

And if, you know, this was last night, didn't have any booze. If I don't drink, I have really vivid dreams. And so I had this dream that me and a bunch of friends and my wife got invited to Vladimir Putin's to go to Russia to go to his birthday party. And it's so fucking vivid. And I'm there.

And the whole time, I'm like, there's armed guards everywhere. And Putin is really pissed off and pouting. Oh, that's that poor. Because people aren't behaving the way he imagined for his party. That's disappointing. Because I feel like he'd be really fun to party with. Yeah, not in this situation. Gotcha.

Yeah. And at one point, and I'm like watching all my friends are like misbehaving. And I'm like, oh, my God, they're going to kill us all. They're going to execute us. Like, people are too drunk. And then he's like Putin's pouting and my wife goes, it sounds like instead of having a birthday party, you're teaching us how a birthday party is supposed to work.

Oh, man. He was like really mad. And so then I wake up and it's like 1.30 in the morning. Yeah. And so I spend from 1.30 till 5.30 just thinking about the dream, wide away, and staring at the ceiling, looking at my phone.

Horrible insomnia. Yeah. Get up, take a piss. The sun's already coming up. That's the worst. I fall back asleep and I went straight back to the same party. No way. And vividly dreamt more of the party.

And then it turned into like me running from these armed guards on this compound. I don't know if that's ever happened. Okay. Yeah. I don't know that it's ever happened to me. No, like I've woken up from dreams that I want to return to. Sure.

And then it's like, well, that's not happening. Yeah. Right. It's like when you're getting an over the pants hand job. Dude, I was thinking it and you just went out and said it. That's always what it is. Yeah, you're like, God, I really want to enjoy the rest of that. Yeah.

I mean, there is nothing worse than like, like, you're having, you're in the wet dream mode. And then like you're, you wake up in the middle of it. And it's just like, oh, man. Like, please go out. I want to be in the dream doing the thing that I'm doing there, not just laying in my bed. I need to ruin my bed sheets right now. Yeah, exactly. Yep.

In the bed that I'm laying next to my wife. That's right. whilst dreaming about an Olympic diver that I was just watching. I always thought it was, did you guys ever find it strange that, like, you know, certain religions say it's a sin to masturbate. And I'm like... Catholicism.

Right. It's like a big thing. And I'm like, but, I mean, you're having wet dreams. If you're, like, anywhere between, like, 14 and whatever, 40, if you don't do it or release for, let's say, two weeks or a month, God's giving you that hand job at night. Is that still a sin? God is giving you that hand job at night.

It's your own brain giving it to you. Yeah. But I would say that... Put that on a t-shirt. The vast majority of those dream scenarios, I would say I've probably had a thousand sex dreams in my life. Only two have ever finished. Really?

I always wake up and I'm like, fuck! Number one, it wasn't real. That's the worst part. Because in most of them, like, especially pre-marriage, I've attained my dream girl. Yeah, of course, yeah. And I'm like, I can't believe this is happening. And then it starts happening. And then you wake up like, you know, three seconds too early and you're fucked.

Yeah. And then you just have like a raging boner for the next hour. And you're pumping the pillow next to the dog. And you're like, God damn it. You're also in like that theta state. Your brain waves are in the theta state when you wake up. So you're still kind of like, you're not normal. It's not like you're in the normal, like, busy brain activity of the day.

So you're kind of just like in this weird state, like kind of humping your pillow still thinking it was a day. Yeah. Kyle, play the jingle. What a mess. What's in the news? What is in the news? Can I tee this one up? Please. Because you said you knew a little something about this. Oh, a very little something.

But yeah, let's go. But it's very interesting little something. It's real interesting. So Kyle, you know, we breeze through the news quickly just so that we don't sound like total morons reading it off the screen. That's right. And I said to Kyle, what is the source on this? And then he started looking. And then you were like, well, I've heard a bunch about this.

I've been reading about it. So the headline is this. So what are the most popular pets in America would you say? What are like the common pets everyone has? A dog. Sure. Cat. Hamster.

Super common. Yeah. Definitely pets. Yep. Goldfish. Yep. Snakes, maybe. Sure.

Not weird to have a snake. No. According to this, when we're figuring out the source here. Published in BBC America, by the way. Yes. Raccoons may be on their way to being America's next common house pet. That's right. I love this.

I could totally see it too. They are cute and fun. And they're like intelligent. They can do things with their hands. The only reason that they're not already pets is because they're fucking vicious and carry rabies. Yeah, they're ferocious. Well, they're also nocturnal and destroy everything. Yeah.

But, yeah, so the study that was published shows that, you know, it's a couple things. Like, how do we domesticate dogs? Right? We found wolves. We urbanized wolves, basically, right? We fed them. They followed us around. We threw food out in overgenerational time.

The dogs began to trust humans. Then they started to work together. So we have inadvertently done that with raccoons by putting trash cans out night after night. Sure. Now all of a sudden, you know, like, I don't know if you guys have ever seen that. Kyle, pull up Raccoon Island near Miami. There are places you, have you seen this? No, no.

You guys, this is a dream destination for me. Really? It's a place called Raccoon Island. Go to a video, Kyle, in Miami. Already looks incredible. You can literally just kayak to it. And all the, it's, it's in Miami, so it looks tropical and stunning. It's one of those many little keys.

And you just rock up and the raccoons just hang out. Oh, my goodness. They're feeding it a pringle. It's fantastic, dude. Looks amazing for the kids, too. And look at this. And that's the thing is, these am. animals have completely changed your behavior, right? They're a nocturnal, like, pretty

elusive creature that now look at this island, which is like a controlled study site, basically. They're now diurnal, because people visit during the day, and they live on Pringles. That is absolutely incredible that they just switch to being able to not have to just be nocturnal. But just right. These little kids are petting. Oh, everybody. And the raccoons don't bite. They're super cute. And so this is basically a step towards domestication. Now, the study, I know, how good is Raccoon Island? Now, the study has shown that there are like physical traits. So, yes, they're changing their behavior, but that change in behavior is a couple things.

They're becoming less aggressive. They're more, less wary of people. So they'll just be seen rummaging through your trash can, not run away and hide. Sure. Or in the case of, you know, Raccoon Island, they'll just stand there and beg from you. And then there are physical adaptations too. Like one of the things was that they're showing a shortened snout, which if you think of dogs and wolves, the analogy that I compared to earlier, that's one of the first things that

happens is like, you know, they don't need that big powerful jaw. And I don't know how that relates to raccoons, but basically it's showing that they're becoming domesticated. Like, they're not relying on their physiology to find food and to be independent. They're just relying on us now. So their snouts are becoming shorter, and that's a sign of domestication and animals. I read something about that in here somewhere, which maybe, maybe, maybe, Kyle can find it. So is the University of Arkansas Little Rock is part of this study. Snout is a funny word.

Evaluation of nearly 20,000 photos found a clear reduction in snout length in urban raccoons compared to their rural cousins. Wow. A physical shift consistent with the early stages of domestication seen in cats and dogs. Real quick, can you just say snout three times quickly? Snout, snoot, snoot

snoot, schnoot, snout, all right, let's go. Yeah, I mean, that is interesting. The physical change is really interesting because that means that we've had enough time Yeah. For that trait to be selective. Like, you know, it literally doesn't even have a face anymore. Going by this logic, a pug is the most domesticated animal on the planet.

That's right. Because it has no snout. Persian cat. No snute. Real quick, guys, should we change our website to snout, snout, snout.com? No, thank you. No one will be able to find it. Yeah, I mean, because that's become a thing on TikTok, right?

I mean, I remember Peter when you showed me the raccoon guy on Twitch. Yeah. And that was like one of the early examples of just like the power of Twitch. Yeah. It was just this guy who would feed raccoons in his backyard and at any given time, 50,000 people would be watching live. Really? Yeah. That's crazy.

Oh, dude, it was, it was crazy. He would just, and it was so kind of just shocking to watch. Oh, my God. Look at this. But we lost this guy's retired, by the way. He's made $14 million and retired off the feeding. His sales is used bathwater. Oh, yeah.

Dude, this is the exact guy. I remember. And he's feeding him grapes. They're coming up, man. They're so cute. It's a lot of fun. Oh, man. It's a lot of fun to look at.

It really is. Also, those raccoons are obese. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So fat. You're just feeding them grapes. Why do they hold throw their heads back to chew the graves? I don't know, but it's really cute. I mean, is this, this seems like pretty sweet, right?

Yes. I'm very for this. I am pro domestication of raccoon. Great insight, Kyle. Yeah. Seems pretty sweet indeed. But I got, this is, this is one of those. I promise you, the like animal, animal activist groups are like,

This is terrible. It's not. It's awesome. Just keep feeding the raccoons. I want them to become a very common household thing. Is there any topic or subject in the world where there will not be a group of people opposed to it? No, of course not. By the way, it literally says right here,

conservationist caution that treating raccoons as pets could endanger both human and raccoon populations. Wild behaviors don't vanish overnight. And removing raccoons from their ecosystems may disrupt urban wildlife balance. Shut the fuck up. But also like no shit. Right. Yeah. I mean, there's so many guys. There would not be this many raccoons already.

It's disturbed. Their ecosystem. There's thousands of raccoons everywhere because we put garbage out every night. We are making more raccoons and this guy is making them fatter. I mean, he is making a new species of, it's a bowling ball with a hat. Dude, I think it's great. I think it's fantastic. Shut up, conservationist.

Yeah. Kyle, I just sent you a little photo. if you could pull it up. Because there's another bit of raccoon news that was just sent to me. There's not enough raccoon news going on out. He's not listening. He's scrolling. Yeah.

Snout, snout, snout. Oh, this is it. Here we go. So this was in... Wait, what happened? So in Ashland, North Carolina, a liquor store owner shows up in the morning, finds about 20 bottles of smashed liquor.

All right, pause. What do you think he thought at that moment before looking at the camera? That somebody had broken in? Like some homeless dude. A crazy homeless person had broken and stolen liquor. But then when he goes to the bathroom, Oh, the Coon's in there.

He finds a hammered drunk raccoon that's passed out on his bathroom floor. Oh, my God, I spit water out. If you're only listening, you've got to see this picture. Yeah, please. Look at the headline on the news story. Raccoon gets drunk. The way he's just four legs spluted on the floor. Just like a frat guy.

Yeah. You have the trash can next to him? Put yourself into this guy's head, man. You're so mad right now. You're like, and then you see the raccoon and then you just start laughing. Yeah. You're just immediately happy. Well, also you're like, fuck is it to drink itself to death?

Absolutely. I really want to follow up on what happened to the raccoon. Sorry, Ashland, Virginia, dubbed a very intoxicated masked bandit by officials. The raccoon was transported to a shelter where it's so sobered up. Excellent. No way. Yeah. So they put them in a drunk tank.

Yeah. That happened to me in Isla Vista five times throughout my college career. Yeah. Went to a drunk tank. Yep. Was hung over and then they released it back into the wild. That's incredible. What a heartwarming story.

Dude, I love it. I love it. So go back to the picture. I want to see what it was boozing on. Yeah. I think I saw a bottle of makers mark there. Good call.

Yeah. What was its choice? It looks like a lot of brown liquor. Yeah. It definitely rated the whiskey. There's a Jaeger. It looks like right there. That's gin maybe.

Is that Yeager? What's the smash green? bottle. I think that's a tankeret gin. That is tankeret. Oh, boy. Oh, dude, gin drunk is not good. That's mean. That's an angry. Exactly. That's an angry drunk. Dude, how there must be camera footage of this,

right? God, I hope so. Jesus. This person's holding on to it so they can release it in clips on TikTok. What it looks like to me is that it started with tankeret. I think it went from right to left here. Okay. It smashed that tankeret bottle. Probably was drinking that

was like, then getting really angry and rambunctious and then made its way down to the whiskey where it just went on an anger rampage. Look at that. If you get significantly more broken up and messed in. Yeah, it got more clustered. Dude, if my, if my discovery, you know that I did that three parts special, that animals on drugs. Yeah. I would do this episode.

I would throw out all other three episodes to do this episode. Can we just do a three hour special? Let's just do it on the Wild Times channel. Here's how I do it. Actually, let's do this. Ring ring. me? Hello. I don't know. Either one of you. Both let's play a network executive. That's the improv. We're playing network executive. Uh, hey, this is Patrick.

Hey, Patrick. It's Forrest. Uh, you remember me from the series we, we did for you, uh, animals on drugs? Oh, yeah. Anytime I talk to you legally, they told me I need to conference in one other person. Yeah, go right ahead. Just because I've been giving you so much money, Willie, you know? Yeah, it's a real treat. Let me get Peter. Yeah, please do. Peter, you on? Yeah, I'm here. Okay. Thanks. Thanks for having me. Yeah, of course. Thanks for taking the call. Listen, I know animals on drugs was a limited three-parter. Yeah. And like everything on Discovery Channel, it bombed.

But we loved it though. Yeah. But that is what I've heard. I heard that everybody liked it. Here's my pitch, gents. Okay. If you go on to ABC News right now, you'll see that a raccoon

recently broke into a liquor store and got shit-faced drunk and passed out by the toilet. There it is. There it is. That's hilarious. So here's my pitch to you guys. After spending a night in the drunk tank, he was released back into the wild.

I think this was a mistake, guys. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to go into the wild where the West Virginia Animal Control released this raccoon. We're going to build out of a shipping container, a simulated liquor store

to bait the raccoon back, enjoy his hijinks on a live camera, and then of course ultimately trap him and put him into raccoon rehab. Now, I know you're asking yourself how? Dare you, Forrest, think that you can rehab a raccoon.

I cannot. But I know a certain island outside of Miami where he has no choice and no alcohol available. Raccoon Recovery Island. And put him on Raccoon Recovery Island. This is by far, I think, a hit show. It's a three-hour special. It's going to be $1.8 million. Okay.

I'm sorry. Hang up, Patrick. Hang on. Now, I really like this a lot. So let me ask you a couple questions and just spitballing here, because you've obviously put a ton of work into this. besides just seeing something on Google and then picking up the phone. That's right. Yeah.

Could we work? Okay. So I like the shipping container liquor store. Great. Maybe it's more visual. Could we make the shipping container like a little raccoon friendly bar? We must. Yeah.

Yeah. There must be a tiny animatronic bartender who actually serves the raccoon whatever. Cocktails. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. And then the second thing is at the end of episode two, or let's say, when is he going to go to the island, like middle of episode two?

Well, here's the thing about that. Yeah. It's not a straight shot. Okay. First of all, we take the raccoon and we give him to the Twitch Raccoon man. Yeah. But turns out he's too much of a menace there because the guy keeps booze in his house. Yeah.

He's fighting with the fat raccoons. They're picking on him for being an alcoholic. Right. The drama is there. And he has to be violent. He is very, he's a gin drunk, to be clear. So he's a very violent raccoon. Rosie cheeks.

Yeah. And so, you know, at this point in time, this is our all hope, his lost moment until episode three, where we realize he has to go to Raccoon Rehab Island. And is there an intervention type component? All the other raccoons, I assume, from the raccoon guy coming, right? It's like you're reading my mind right now. I thought so, yeah. Yeah.

This is a synergy, this relationship. That's right. Yeah. That's why you're going to give me millions. How soon can we start? Yeah, let's start yesterday. Okay. Deal.

Stamp it. that's a good show though. That is a good show. The whole plight of that raccoon. That's pretty funny. Dude, like a drunken menace raccoon who goes to recovery. Can you imagine? Yeah, I can.

I just did. And the guy who feeds the fat raccoons, he's just like, there's nothing I can do about this raccoon. Yeah, interview that guy. Yeah. I mean, by the way, no one should do this. It's not a good thing to do. Correct. But if you did just like in, like on Raccoon Island, just set up a tiki bar and a bunch

of cameras and just watched all the raccoons getting drunk. Oh my God. That would be good stuff. If you think the other Twitch guy got a lot of views. Yeah. If you had a tiki bar on Raccoon Island, that would be the most viewed thing on the internet. Oh, my goodness. You'd get shut down by Peter real quick.

Oh, yeah. They'd be out there on their own boats, on their own kayaks surrounding the island. Oh, yeah. They'd be surrounded by sea shepherd. The giant Arctic cruise ships would be around the island boycotting you. Oh, my God. Okay, I have a question. What's the single most important thing that you guys rely on when you're on these adventures in remote places?

I mean, to me, it's pretty obvious. When you're traveling somewhere that has rugged terrain, the vehicle that gets you there is the difference between having a great time or not so much. So when we're traveling, whether it's domestic or international, we always, always, always try to get Toyota trucks, right? Oh, 100%. I think about when we were in Sinky DeVahara and Madagascar and the huge, rains came. I was just thinking about that trip. Yeah. Yeah, we had a caravan of about 10 trucks and literally, and we have video of this, all the Toyotas made it out and there were three or four other trucks that got stuck in the mud for multiple days. Patrick and I were, of course, in the Toyota.

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Yeah. Yeah. And if you're really struggling with the kids like we were when we did it, Dylan Reservoir on the way there, beautiful, picturesque lake. You hear the Lunes calling. Oh, man. Do a little walk around, little picnic.

It's like one of those little reservoir lakes that's set up for families. Nice. It's a real treat. Do that. Do yourself a favor. Get to Colorado this winter. Go over the pass. That is your detour destination of the week.

Brought to you by Toyota Trucks. Nice. So, by the way, on that trip, I think I told the story, was the one where we were going to get a speeding ticket and I pinched my son. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Got away with it. Made your son cry to the cop.

Oh, that was on that trip. That was on that trip. So three days. until Christmas, whether you celebrate or not. It's a big time of year. You should celebrate if you don't. Do you guys feel like you've gotten your satisfactory amount of like

fun holiday time in? No, I don't to answer your question, but we have some stuff lined up. We do this every year with a group of friends. Have you guys heard of Pearl Social or Miracle? No. Dude, check it out, Kyle. Type in a Miracle at Pearl Social in Santa Barbara. Oh, is this a super

Christmassy bar? You got to come up. Oh, man, I want to come up. You got to come up. It's the best. What are you doing? what night you say when and we'll go i'll make this is what the bar looks like two days that's true but it's open until new year's eve so this is that that's it right there in santa barbara and it is all the chris all the drinks are christmas themed come up let's so much fun literally we're possibly tonight dude dude if you guys want to roll tonight i will text jess to guess a reservation right now that looks real fun seriously seriously we're going to do this i'm going to get a babysitter and make my wife come with the drinks are in yeah go left one kyle those are the

cocktails. It's, it's, it's so Christmassy that like you, you can't help but be happy in there. You have to get a babysitter. Imagine just seeing someone just sitting there frowning. I physically remove them from the situation. You know, a picture I get in my head is, uh, from trading places when he steals the ham and he's, Dan Aykroyd steals the ham from the party dressed up as Santa.

I've never seen it. Holy shit. Dude, I've never seen it either. Oh, man. All right. Well, you should watch a lot. I don't want to shit on it. It sounds really funny. It's, it's ridiculous. He's depressed and hammered because he's lost everything. And he's like going to go and get, go to the thing and kill the guy who took everything from him. Okay. But he ends up

just like going in there and waving the gun around and he's shit faced and then he just steals a giant piece of ham and puts it in his Santa shirt and it's like he's eating it. It's the saddest you've ever seen anybody. I don't know. I would say Billy Bob and Bad Santa throughout the entire

movie. That's true. It's so bad. that low. Yeah, he is, yeah, that's the worst. What's up, Brosner's? I hope you've been

enjoying the show. Unfortunately, we had about a 20, 30 minute segment here that we just found out we cannot legally include in the show. Thanks, Forrest.

But we do have an awesome segment we are going to put in here that we did. It is a Christmas movie bracket. It was a huge hit with all the Brosner's on Patreon. And it's our gift to you for Christmas.

So enjoy this. I hope you love it. And I know it's a little weird that we're putting it in here in the middle, but keep listening. I promise you, you're going to love it. Kyle, what do you got for us?

You had a Christmas idea to get us started. Yeah, let's get it started. I think we're going to start with a Christmas bracket. Best movies of all time. Christmas movies. Oh, this is going to start arguments.

It's going to start fights. Yep. I can't wait. Very Christmassy. People feel very strongly about Christmas movies. I think a lot of people's fondest memories. Yeah.

Watching Christmas movies with their family. I'm a little concerned about what this could do. Let's get into it. First matchup of the night, Mickey's Christmas Carol versus Frosty the Snowman. Oh my God. This is easy for me. Frosty the Snowman.

It's great. It's great music. I think it's Irving Berlin plays the voice of Frosty, I think. Or Burlives, one of those two. Frosty, easy. Okay. Then I'll go now.

because I'm going on the other side of the coin. I go Mickey's Christmas Carol because I used to watch it every Christmas as a kid. Frosty was kind of hit or miss in my household. It was like maybe because there's some scary moments in the OG Frost. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. But Mickey's we did every year. Donald Duck. What is this scary? Remind me of the scary

moment in Frosty. The abominable snowman's in it. Yeah, that's right. He's pretty scary. I like, I like, I'm going Frosty here. It's got more depth. Christmas Carol's been done and done over again. My favorite version is the Bill Murray Scrooge version. So I'm going Frosty. Fair enough. Fair enough.

Okay. All right. Frosty. The right answer advanced. I can see him. He's great. Speaking of Scrooge. Oh, there it is right there.

Bill Murray and Scrooge versus Billy Bob Thornton and Bad Santa. I've never seen Bill Murray and Scroo. Oh my God, dude. It's a classic. He's such a piece of shit, Scrooge. Oh, that's great. Yeah, he's, it's great. For that reason, I'll go.

first just because I've never seen the Bill Murray Scrooge. I'm going to go bad Santa. Okay. Well, I'm also going to go bad Santa. It's one of the funniest movies ever made. I didn't want to weigh in with something I had nothing to say. Oh, man. Whoa, this is going to be tough. What happened?

Kyle, Kyle, what are you doing? Oh, my God. It's a disaster person. He's going to have to reset the whole thing. Oh, shit. No, he can just pick now. Right? Yeah.

All right, here we go. Okay, so next up is Home Alone versus El. Yeah. This could be the final. It's catastrophic that one of these has to go home early. It's a no-brainer for me. It's home alone. I mean, the nostalgia vibes.

Really? I mean, Elf is great, dude. But, dude, Home Alone is like when that movie's on, I'm glued to it. I'll watch every second of it. A little tidbit for you. And this is not printed anywhere, but I've noticed it and forensically checked. Forensically. Every scene that Kevin's in.

Oh, yeah. every frame of the movie has green and red in it. Yep. Really? Yeah. Production design-wise. I love it. It was an intentional choice.

Oh, yeah. Oh, and it works, man. It's, uh, what do they call that? Like, uh, subconsciously priming you for two. Just feeling the fucking Christmas vibe. I love it, dude. Uh, I'll give my home alone anecdote quickly.

Okay. Every single time I visit my friends, Nick and Jacqueline, who live in the suburbs of Chicago. They live in Winnetka, Illinois. They drive me by, the house and go, that's the home alone house. You've got to do it.

Now, here's a thing. I visited them, I'd say nine times at this point. Every time they expect me to be excited by the fact that it's a home alone house. Every time. Like, it's the first time they've told me this. Are you not? By now, and you're nine of visiting them, it's lost its luster. I'm like, I know.

You've told me that before. Can you show me Michael Jordan's house, please? All right. You know what? Home alone's great, but it feels dated to me, whereas Lfe feels timeless. Yeah. I mean, these are these are two all time. Don't say the wrong thing here. I will fight you. That's a big tiebreaker.

No, it's brutal because these are heavy rotation for me. They're both incredible. They are. Home alone. Yes, baby. The right choice. Thank you. It's okay. Timeless. Are you saying home alone isn't timeless? I'm not, dude, now today, today a kid in that scenario, pull his cell phone out of his pocket dial 911.

He's true. He's over. Also, when they sign him up to his room, he'd be stooped. He'd be like, good, fuck you guys. I'm going to go fucking hanging out on my phone. Yeah. Yeah. What's going on here?

The website sucks. But the next step is Muppets Christmas Carol versus Dr. Seuss is how the Grinch stole Christmas. Oh, boy. Muppets Christmas Carol versus Doc. It's got to be Dr. Seuss is how the Grinch stole Christmas, right? There's no drama here. I honestly don't think I've ever seen the Muppets Christmas. Yeah, it's unanimous.

Yeah, Grinch is an easy advance. Okay. All right. What do we got next? Kyle, what are you doing? Okay, it's okay. It's clearly the website. Yeah.

Okay. What do we got? We got no visuals. I don't know what the cover movie. That cover of that movie is. Okay. We got Christmas vacation. It's okay.

People love it. It's raw, dude. Like, no, nobody loves this. It's a mess. Well, people love the best. What are the two movies, Kyle? What's the fucking cover of the case? Is that like Me Three Kings or something?

It's so funny because, Kyle's doing nothing wrong. It's just the website has totally malfunctioned. But in fairness, Christmas vacation just won the entire thing. That's true. It's right there. Probably what we're all going to vote for. Absolutely.

All right. Well, that was fun. Well, do you know what this movie? Yes. Netflix released a movie called The Christmas Chronicles. It was a Netflix original star in Kurt Russell. And that is matched up against Christmas vacation. Are you serious, Clark?

Yeah. That's seriously the movie? Yeah. Okay. Never even heard of the Netflix one Hands down Christmas vacation I mean without question It's a serious

Chevy Chase It's a serious contender to win the entire Okay so what is your favorite scene In Christmas vacation Well I'll start Pat Go ahead Go ahead Oh no I was gonna say I'll start with you

But I mean dude my my favorite is when he's got The chainsaw And he's he He's going to say He's going to say He's putting up the decorations When he gets the jelly of the month club thing And then just starts sipping eggnog

And then he just comes down dressed as Santa. He's got the chainsaw and he things wobbly and he just goes cuts it off and it comes flying off and he's fixed the old post and then he comes down and wife's like, are you okay? Hang in the lights. Hang in the lights. It's so funny. Oh, it's just

the moment where he's struggling on the ladder and he can't decide if he wants to put his hand over or under. Yeah, under or over. Yeah, it's fantastic. Good movie. Next up, we've got it's a wonderful life. So we're going way back. Yeah, the Jimmy Stewart black and white film Versus

Tim Allen and the Santa Claus Oh, that's actually pretty funny This is a tough one for me actually Like this is actually something I'll go first Because it's easy for me We watch it's a wonderful life every year On Christmas Eve as a family I love it, it's a great movie

At the time it was made It was the most expensive movie ever made Oh, I didn't know that Yeah Well, I'm gonna take the Tim Allen movie Because it's kind of funny And I like Tim Allen So it's up to you

I've never heard anyone be like You know I don't know this about me? I love Tim Allen. He's great. I really do, dude. He's great. You're kidding me?

Oh, God, I always loved his wife, Jill. She was like the hot mom. I wanted to bang from that TV show. He didn't. In home alone? No. I can't remember.

Home improvement. Home improvement. Yeah. I know. I know. Was she? I know. She were pleaded khaki.

Wait, time out. Can you please pull this up? She was like a stereotypical mid-40s, like Midwestern woman. That was your crush? Well. Holy. She's wearing a helmet.

No, I don't know what it was. You wanted to bang that middle-aged lady? I mean, I was fucking third. Kyle fell on the floor laughing. I was 13 and I wanted to bang like my ugly-ass like eighth-grade teacher too. But, you know. You wanted to bang Tim Allen. I would have banged my fucking pillow if it had a hole in it.

All right. So moving on. Sorry about that. Okay. So, dude, the Santa Claus, though, is such a charming. It's really well written and it's really like. like interesting. He gets fatter.

They go up to the North Pole. There's the whole thing with a kid and the cops. Wonderful life. Like, yeah. But I'm going, I'm going with fucking the Santa Claus, man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Home improvement for the win. I think this is where Pat fights me. No. No, it's your opinion. We're going to stay calm. It's wrong. It's just your opinion. Yeah.

Next. Die hard. Not a Christmas movie. Definitely a Christmas movie. Yeah. People say it's a Christmas movie versus Home Alone 2 lost in New York. Home Alone 2 is really good, by the way. Very solid.

It's one of the few sequels that holds up just as close as the first one. I don't know about the pervertly ones at the toy store. But it is good. Yeah. Yeah. That said, Die Hard is just a great movie. I'm going die hard. I love it.

It's so good. It's a great movie. Even though it's not a Christmas movie. Home Alone 2, easy. I'm going to go die hard. Wow. It's a movie I would watch any time. I would only watch Home Alone 2 after having one.

Watch Home Alone 1. Want to hear something? Yeah. I've never seen die hard. Really? Never seen it. It's great. It's good.

And I've never seen lethal weapon. And I've never seen any of the top gun movies. Oh my God. Wow. That's insane. Man. That's kind of like nice though, man. Because you still have those to look forward to.

I got like badgered for admitting that I've never seen any of the Mission Impossible movies recently. I don't think of a fuck about that. Mitchell apparently cares a lot that I've never seen. Well, he doesn't change his pants. So, true. All right. Polar Express versus Charlie Brown Christmas.

Easy. I'll go straight. Charlie Brown Christmas. It's so good. It's going to be a clean sweet. It's so good. Yeah. The little sad little tree.

It's so good. Polar Express is trash. It's garbage. It shouldn't even be on the list. I don't think Kyle knows what to do next. I know what to do. There's lots of ads. All right.

Moving on to the next round. You can go faster. Have you ever heard of an ad blocker? All right. How the Grinch stole Christmas, Dr. Seuss, or Frosty the Snowman? Grinch. I love it. I love How the Grinch stole Christmas.

By the way, the new one, the illumination one, is incredible. It's so good. With Benedict Cumberbatch is the Grinch. What a mistake, but so good. It's so good. I got to see that. I haven't seen that one yet. Grinch, moving on.

Yeah, I was a big friend, too. Bad Santa or Home Alone. Oh, man. This is a tough. This is a tough one, man. Yeah. I'm just going to go ahead. at home alone. I love the pizza guy seen.

They all ignore them. The family is an absolute just trash bunch of people. Yeah, but think how wealthy they were. Look at their house. They were going on a European vacation with 14 children. And the dad paid for everyone to go, including cousins and aunts and uncle. Insane. You know how much it would cost to fly to fucking Paris or London or wherever they're going?

I think they're going to Italy. Paris, Paris, Paris, yeah. It's like 40 grand. Yeah, oh, more than that. Yeah, more. Plus hotels. Yeah. Airport.

transfers. Yeah. Do you know how expensive those airport shuttles are these days? Home alone for me beats Bad Santa. Peter? It's so hard. It's so hard. I love Bad Santa.

You got to do the hard things in life. Yeah. Listen, I mean, you know, Home Alone, dude. It's from, it's set in Chicago. It's a wonderful movie. Oh, I know. I've seen this great.

I've seen that house. All right, clean sweep for Home Alone. I like Bad Santa, but Home Alone. It's just, you can't. I could watch it every, every fucking week. Christmas vacation versus Tim Allen, Forrest's favorite actor in the Santa Claus. Nah, Christmas vacation.

Yeah, it's a no brain. Right. It's easy. Yeah, Christmas vacation. If only, if only Chevy Chase got fatter and fatter like Tim Allen does, it would be the perfect movie. Oh, yeah, dude. I think whoever made this bracket omitting a Christmas story.

Is insane. With Ralphie. It's insane. Oh, my God, yeah. 24-7 they play it. It could have been a contender. Yeah, for sure. All right.

then die hard versus Charlie Brown's Christmas. One of those is a perfect movie. Charlie Brown's Christmas. 100%. Yeah, Charlie Brown's. All that great music, dude. Dude, come on. Die Hard's trying too hard.

Now we're down to four. Okay. What we got next? The original Dr. Seuss How the Grinch stole Christmas or Home Alone. Oh, man. That's tough. Home alone for me.

It's moving on. No, I'm going, I'm going Grinch. Grinch. I mean, the Grinch, the story is better. timeless. Timeless. If I could only, I have to go with this metric.

Timeless. Never watch one of these again. I would never watch the Grinch here. Yeah, that's fair. So I'm going to home alone. If I had to only pick one to ever watch again, it would be home alone. Yeah.

More entertainment value. Absolutely. I still pick the Grinch. Christmas vacation or Charlie Brown in the semis to battle against Home Alone, the winner. Yeah. We'll fight. I mean, it's, again, for me, it's just Christmas vacation.

I'm sorry. Clark, Clark Griswold doing it up with those lights. Yeah. Yeah, it's got to be right. Yeah, but this, this one's hard now. I mean, now we're into like an existential question. Home Alone versus Christmas vacation. Yeah.

You can only, you could only watch one for the rest of your life. God damn it. Yeah, that's tough. I know mine. I'll just say it. It's Christmas vacation. Really? Yeah.

God, that's hard. It just makes me feel slightly warmer and fuzzier. inside than home alone. I think I'm leaning home alone, which means it all comes down to you. Oh, man. This is real, real, real hard. They both give me that same spike of nostalgia. Some fuzzies?

Yeah, like even just, I want to go home and watch them right now. Dude, I was just thinking, I swear to God, I'm like, I'm going to go home and pick one of these movies. I'm trying to decide. I thought that as soon as we started. I think Home Alone's too scary for my four-year-old. That's what I was wondering about watching that with my son. I don't watch Christmas vacation.

All right, I got it. I got it. What are you doing? I think you're right, Pat. It's got to be Christmas vacation. I'm not mad. It's got to be Christmas vacation. Kyle, way in on the last two.

What do you think? Home alone for me. Oh, it would have been a tie. Good thing you're not a part of the fucking podcast. We've crowned a winner. Kyle's Googling ad blocker. Yeah, he is. Kyle, you're still screen sharing with us.

Just so you know. I don't care. I'm tired of these ads. All right, guys. I hope you really enjoyed the Christmas movie bracket and we are going to get back into some news back into the show that you were enjoying prior i did see one other thing that i wanted to to get your guys uh take on so a team of biologists on the california oregon border are trying to assist with uh relations between cattle ranchers

and wolves i like that right because that's one of the reason wolves have been have been you know pushed out of certain areas and killed is because people are trying to keep them from killing their cattle. Sure. Right. Historically. Yeah. So there's been an influx of wolf and cattle rancher interactions.

And so these biologists are like, let's see if we can come up with a nonviolent way to like haze these wolves away from these cattle ranches. Okay. They're doing something I find very interesting. Uh, any guesses. Not a non-invasive way of doing this. So no guns, no poison. I'm going to guess it involves.

robot wolves of some type that's a great guess you're basing that on what was the robot rabbit thing remember that three months ago yeah that's stupid oh in Florida with the oh it costs like 50 grand yeah the 50 grand fucking robot rabbit for the to attract the python yeah that's right

all right how are they mitigating the wolves how are they mitigating the wolf it's a great idea I'm gonna guess that they are taking a page out of Africa's elephant mitigation and they're setting up bees something new bees chasing the wolves away. Well, that's a whole separate story.

We have a podcast coming out next week, Forrest. I'm going to ask you about these things because that's actually super interesting. Yep. No, so I'll give you a hint. Whenever I've been around like very large brown bears, they really don't like the drone. Oh, yeah. A lot of animals. Yeah.

It's one of the you can't fly drones in like Yellowstone or any of the national parks because it disrupts the wildlife. like it. Okay. So they're using drones, but they're doing something extra on top of just using drones to deter these wolves. Are they shooting them with paintballs? No. That would be funny, though. That would be funny. Are they just adding some type of really annoying noise? Yes. It must be. Although it might not be an annoying noise, depending on your taste in music. Oh my God. They're blasting ACDC songs, including Thunderstruck. Wow. I love. I Love it. Yeah.

So they're blasting the songs Thundersruck from... A drone. From drones incredibly loudly. Yeah. As well as some sounds like human voices shouting and gunshots. That's hilarious. That's genius, by the way. And so simple.

But yeah, it's this hazing thing, which I actually, you know, mostly started reading about when... Oh, here they got some video footage of them doing it. Yeah, so it's all done in thermal, which is really cool. And you see the wolves just bulping. It's like... away from me. This is great. I mean, like, I don't see really... Back in board!

I don't see a downside. Dude, I don't see a downside to this really. No, there is. Look at how many wolves there. I mean, that's... Is that one pack? That's at least 20 wolves. That was a bunch of cows, and then there were wolves mixed in. Got it.

Yeah. And the wolves is good. Yeah, because obviously the wolves will gang up and, like, take down a cow. Yeah. So that's what you were seeing in that one thermal image is there was wolves mixed in with the livestock. I wonder if the technology, like, is it, do you guys think it's automated, like, where it detects it and then the drone just, like, takes off and starts doing it? I think there's a team watching. I think there's a team out there, and they're saying that it's not a magic bullet, it's expensive, but the hazing thing is interesting because, like, you know, after the big fires in L.A., we went from no coyotes on my street to really bold coyotes, like in my driveway, constantly on the street, walking the dog.

they're pretty bold as you know. And so I started reading about, and it was basically like you've got to haze them. And like you can't just make loud noises because that won't be enough. So it's like spray them with hoses. Like, you know, get a coyote whistle and like get them to where they just hate

the area of your house. Because I have two little kids. Yeah, of course. You know, so it's like if you see one and you're driving like honk at it, scream at it, do anything you can. It doesn't hurt the animal. Right, right.

It's only a matter of. of time until those things are automated. Like, I remember, I'll never forget. The one and only time I've ever bought anything on Kickstarter was called the Lilly Dron. And it was supposed to be this drone that you put on a bracelet and it follows you around, which I think the technology for that's kind of there now. But at the time, this was like probably 10 years ago and I spent 500 bucks on it. And that was like a lot of money for me 10 years ago. Never got it. Company went bankrupt. And you never got your money back? Never got the money back. That was like, pre when Kickstarter just did whatever the fuck they want.

Like now it's regulated to get your money back. Back then it was like a new company. Wild West, yeah. But, you know, what my point is, this will be an automated thing at some point because what you'll be able to do, I would think, is have like trail cameras out. Yeah.

Because there's a rate trail cameras that talk to your cellular data, right? You can get live streams on trail cameras and stuff like that. So it's soon, I would guess, even somebody could do this right now with the existing technology. You have trail cameras out around your herd,

and as soon as they detect a wolf that pings something that sends a drone up that tells you where that trail camera was in proximity drone goes over there and uses AI to scan and then goes that's a wolf

that's a cow goes to the wolf and starts playing the sounds and it could all be fully automated on a dock where it comes and lands and charges and blah blah like I just don't know

the problem with that this would so so like that could be developed and implemented in six weeks but it'll cost $40 million for a problem that's probably a $400,000 problem. Do you know what I mean? So nobody would put the resources into it.

Except for like some private donor who really likes wolves. Yeah. It would have to come from that side of it. Yeah. The cattle ranchers aren't going to do that. Yeah. And the government would never do it. Yeah.

No. Are wolves protected at all? Very much so. Oh, so like ranchers can't just go out and shoot them. It depends on the state, but for the most part, no. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay, so really quickly.

So they're using thunderstruck as a way of hazing. Yep. What's a noise or sound that you think would be even more annoying? Can you pull up the clip from Dumb and Dumber where he makes the sound in the car, said, do you want to hear the most annoying sound in the world? That's a good call. I don't know that that's more annoying than a baby crying. That's true.

I want to hear the sound. You can skip through. Oh, wait, he already did it. Hey Oh no, here it is Want to hear the most annoying sound in the world? It's pretty bad.

That's less annoying than a baby crying. Yeah, there's nothing worse. The problem with a baby crying is I think that literally does the opposite. The predator is like, ooh.

Yeah, I'm going to come and go eat that. Yeah, yeah. But there is nothing worse than the sound of the baby crying. What's the most annoying song? Anything by ICP. What's ICP?

The insane clown posse? Oh, sure, yeah. Yeah, it's terrible. terrible. That's not good. A motorcycle, bro, like a really just unfriottled fucking motorcycle exhaust. Yeah, it's a bad sound. Oh, man.

What's an annoying song? The alarm. So many songs annoying. The alarm. Oh, what was that one that you hated so much that was a popular one? Oh. What you're going to be so rude? You ever that?

Patrick had like a diatribe about that. That is probably the most annoying song ever written. Even the wolves would be like, why is he saying rude? Piece of shit Why you gotta act so rude Do you think we could get that guy in the podcast? Definitely. And just rip them to shreds?

Yeah. Yeah, we should. Just grill them, just be like, Why'd you do that? What happened to the D, man? Why did you do that? Say the word rude. By the way, speaking of singer,

so we've probably talked about it. We had Riley Green on the podcast. Oh, God. Who was such a disappointing. He was such a cool guy. Country singer who's like super, like super into the outdoors. He's also probably one of the top three country singers on the planet Earth now.

At the time we had him, I saw him on TV last night. Yeah. At the time we had him on, he was like maybe like top 50. Yeah, maybe. He was gaining traction. Yeah. They asked for him to come on. That's right.

They contacted us. Because he liked the show. We recorded an entire podcast with him in my garage. And Kyle did not record his audio. It was a disaster. It was terrible. Well, here's the part that that gets me the most. They, they, Kyle sent a very, I don't think it was intentional, but a terse email and blamed it on them.

Yes, he did. Did you really? Why? There was background notes. Go ahead. Yeah, I think what the actual thing that happened was that he was sitting like underneath a fan or an AC unit or something. And it was unusable. And his, the waves were, the sound waves from the unit was mixing with his voice and they were just kind of going in an hour.

And then I follow up quickly like, but we would love to have him on again and then never heard back. Of course. They were like, you wasted an hour of his time. I really did feel bad about that. He's exploded. Like, there was some like country Christmas celebration on TV last night. Yeah. And like he was singing and just like doing the thing he does.

And he's just like super hunky. Yeah. Oh, he's a dream boat. Yeah. He's also very like, like a bro bro. Like when we had a, it was just like chatting with this cool dude. Look at him. He's like, there's this hot, cool, outdoorsy guy.

And we've bucked up his podcast. Yeah. Oh, my God. We're such idiots. And then Kyle blamed him. Damn, what in that body, bro? Are you kidding me? That can't be real.

We're such idiots. I will say the song he played last night. I was like, that's nothing. Yeah. It's literally just going like, yeah, be a whiskey. Give me a girl. It's Christmas.

You just sung every country song. That was the song, I think. That was the song, I think. That's what they do, you know, so that everything is just totally milked toast, family-oriented over Christmas, and it pisses me off. Like, there's a, there's a X-N. Yeah, but I'm going to play it on my car right home now. I know you are. There's an XM station they have going called like Christmas with Fallon, as in Jimmy Fallon.

And I'm just like, he just had his name on it, but there was good songs. And then all of a sudden he's talking during the middle of like the song breaks. And I just, I can't stand him. So, like, I was just like, who the hell wants this shit? Yeah. Like, what? Like, who wants this? Sure, put your name on it, dude.

But, like, nobody wants to hear you, like, making stupid jokes. We should drop him another email to his team and be like, listen, our podcast is still the same size. But now that he's really, really famous, we'd like to talk to him again. Since we recorded, he's become one of the biggest stars in the world. And our podcast has halved itself inside. That's right. Yeah. But would he come back on since he blew it?

Dude, he, like, he must spend hours in the gym. Look at this fucking guy. His pipes are like 13 inch biceps. Settle down. Settle down. Yeah, calm down. You're getting all hot and bothered. Hey, Merry Christmas.

We have a podcast coming out on the 29th. So it'll be four this month. That's right. So after you get through the holidays, right before New Year's, come back. Also, and we'll tell you about how Kyle went to prison, which is going to happen tomorrow. That's right. We're planning on that tomorrow. That's correct.

Also, just want to say, card games. We're almost out of them, dude. Nearly sold out. It's not too late. Get your last ones for Christmas. They're on Amazon, so you can still get it. My kid has been such a menace. I showed it to him because he's old enough to get it now at 6.

And he's such a menace. He wants to play it every morning when we wake up. I know. You send us a new video clip every day. So irritating. Thank you all. It's so good it is. Go to Wild Times.

Dot Club forward slash info to get all that stuff. Yeah, extra pods. Bonus. Boner pods. It's the Jump. Skinimax. Jump the gun on that music there, Kyle. I liked it.

I liked it. Feels like every product claims real protein these days. But real doesn't start on a label. It starts at the source. Like real California milk from California farm families, it's real dairy delivering high quality, complete protein, with all nine essential amino acids to help build muscle, give you energy, and keep you satisfied longer.

So keep it real. Look for the seal. Real California milk. Good night.