Wild Times: Wildlife Education - World's Oldest Animal Reveals Secret to Longevity - TWT 154

Episode Date: August 19, 2024

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Right? That's a big word now, it is. It's a big word in our industry. I'm your host, Forrest Galante, the broologist. On my right, Papa P, the producer and the professor on the far end there. How you doing, guys? I'm going to speak for Peter. Okay.

Because he's... For the whole pot or just now? No, just right now. Okay. So Peter's struggling with something. Now he's, his insides are fixed. The harpies are still there, but that's, that's old news. Sure. Yeah.

So we decided to take our kids to this, uh, a new, uh, a new, uh, play gym. Okay. And I've been to this one. He has not. Okay. And, uh, he was supposed to tell me when he left. his house. I was going to meet him there. Instead, he told me when he got to the place. That's not part of the story. It is. It's important. He says pulling up. I'm like, cool. See you in 20 minutes. Right. So there's a known entity at this play gym of a giant pink slide that is ladder, like basically

full vertical. Okay. Yeah. No one does it. I've seen two or three people try it, all get in. You go down the slide? Yeah. It's insanely unsafe. Yeah. Have you seen Christmas vacation the movie? Of course. You know when Clark greases up the bottom of like the garbage cam.

I know exactly where you're going. That's like that's the outcome of this slide. Gotcha. I got it. And it's just known that you can't go down this thing or you will get hurt. So by the time I arrive, Peter's already injured because he took his two year old down the dangerous slide. and this was a week ago.

Yeah. And you think you have nerve damage. Well, so, yes. First of all, my two-year-old safe, he was okay. I protected him with my body. As you should. Yes. And what happened to me is it lifted up my shirt on the back and you're going so fast

down this slide that it just gave me a burn. Oh, the skin. I could show you this burn a book later. And, you know, I was like, oh, yeah, trying to be cool. I get it. I was like, I'm fine. I'm fine. It's no big deal. And then literally, it's like numb now, as if there's no feeling in this little patch.

Like, it's shrunk down. It was this big. But now it's like this patch of skin right here on my back that's just completely numb. Okay. And things stick to it. Oh, no. My shirt just keeps sticking to it. And I'm just like, who puts a slide like this into a children's fucking place? It's truly insane.

Oh, wow. We're going to, I'm going to give Kyle like a, there's got to be a video of this on you somewhere yeah i need to see this it would be the equivalent of if you opened a kids gym and you were like oh in here is the wall of nails it's the name of work dude and so you know he was just explaining that he wasn't there yet to warn me and i i'm like at a kid's place they i think this is fine and then after i do this i started actually like looking at the slide because i'm like this is unsafe like this is crazy and i see kids walk up to the edge of the slide and then just like get nervous and walk away and go

like this is after they've climbed through this whole maze thing to get there. They just turn around and go back. They won't do it. I have a game. Can we play a game early? Yeah, this inspired me. Now, you cow, look at cow's finger ready for the jingle. You don't know what game this is. Calm down. His fingers twitching. He's like, uh-huh. What's he going to say? All right, here's the game. We definitely don't have a jingle for this. Um, the other

game. The other day my buddy and I were working out and we came up with a non-PC or non-2020-for appropriate business. Okay. So while I explain mine, you guys are going to come up with your own. We're all going to pitch to the Browsoners. Okay. Okay. And they're going to tell us whose business is the best.

Or is it whose is the most offensive? Take your pick, whatever. I think we're both. The best selling idea for like 1996. No, it's, so you can have as much fun with this as you like. But let me give you mine while you craft yours. Okay. Okay. All right. We came up with the idea for a gym called toxic masculinity. Okay. It's a gym. It's all bros. Working there is like imagine Hooters Girls. Right? So everyone, I'm telling you, it's non-PC. It's not very 2024 appropriate. But as you walk in, you're greeted by like a Hooters girl with a giant fake rack. Okay. It's all bros. There's heavy metal on. There's a smelling salts bar as you check in. So you help yourself to smelling salts. It's, it's, it's a, it's.

It's all very aggressive. It's all very loud. Guys can wear the shortest of shorts, the stringerest of shirts, or no shirt, whatever you like. Sure. There's no... What we have to deal with in today's gym society is etiquette, right? Like, make eye contact with the cute girl and the way too tight pants and this. This is why I work out at home.

F that. That's what I'm saying, dude. So we start this toxic masculinity gym. We got really carried away about the whole like steroids in the side. Oh, you got a nice steroid booth over there. There's a steroid booth. There's a smelling salts booth. smelling salt's booth is legit

well we said that yeah and then you can get nice it's super high protein smoothies so like it's just all these ridiculous like you have to use a spoon to eat it yeah like all these ridiculous protein things like but it's all just super masculine like over the top also like if you show your like

Fitbit or whatever and you burned 500 cows you're eligible to take a treat from the Zen bin yeah oh 100% genius this is what it's all about you got all these things posters on the wall minus the who

girls things, I think this could work in 2024, which makes me want to say that it's a bad idea for your game. That's all I'm saying. But you got to still keep the title toxic masculinity. That's the name of the gym. That's important. Okay. We had the whole idea of, you know those places where you crack peanuts, you throw the peanuts on the floor? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's just steroid needles on the floor. You're just steroid needles on the floor. You're just going to wait and through. Wow. Just got to step over. Yeah. The janitors there, like, just filing down the shop tips. There's like, chalk everywhere. There's cigars and whiskey if you want. You just made a place that women would not want to go ever. No, no. Women are like just not. You're like just not. You're just not. welcome here. It's just toxic masculinity. No. Well, you say it in the title of the gym, toxic masculinity. They're allowed. They're allowed to be there. Yeah, of course. And there always would be. Let's be honest. But that's that's that's the business idea. Of course. Okay. I can go. Yeah, go ahead. All right. So, so I would, I would start a company that everybody likes peanuts, right? Except for, you know, peanuts aren't allowed anywhere. So I would make, instead of like a lemonade booth, I'm going to have like a peanut booth that serves all kind of nuts, peanut jams.

Is this in front of a school? In front of a preschool? And it's going to... It's just called tree nuts. Exclusively, these are going to be like in front of schools and in front of airports. And because they're not allowed on planes either. And I will call this nuts on kids. Well, you just won.

Yeah, nuts on kids is really good. I don't know what the margins are on nuts these days. It's got to be big, dude. You buy every nuts at like Trader Joe's. It's like $6 for half an ounce. But I like this. Because it's just a middle finger to the one kid in every school that's made it so that no one can have peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

That's right. Sun butter. I think it has, it has potential for positive traction on this because a lot of people get angry about this. There's only like 1% of people who, who like are like, oh yeah, you can't have nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

No, that's good. I like it. Nuts on kids. Toxic masculinity. All right. So mine's going to be a sports bar. It's called Pulling Trigg. And basically it's set up for guys like me. Okay. Who used to go to a sports bar minimum once a week. Sure.

Yeah. Right. Watch sports. But now, you know, I don't get out as much. Right. I have kids. It's hard to get a weekend day away. That's for sure. So this is really for the like New Year's Eve crowd of sports bars, right? You're fucking amateur. So you go there. First of all, there's TVs everywhere,

but also you can bring your board shorts. Okay. There's like six or eight little hot tubs. Okay. No dress code. You can just kind of sit in tubs and watch games. Food is brought to you. You order the incredibly unhealthy food,

the hallmark of sports bars. Yeah. A lot of mozzarella sticks. Yeah, yeah. Mott's sticks, fried. Everything's fried. Every 20 minutes, a little ding ding goes off. and everyone has to chug the rest of their drink.

And it's just like a known thing and there's a lot of high-fiving. Sure. But it's called pull and trig because you want to make the most out of your day. Yeah. You're going to eat way too much. You're chugging. And then there's just a big puke trough. It's available for if you need to go up and pull the trigger.

Wow. So you can get another platter of wings. Wow. Yeah. Oh, man. Like, yeah. Like, yeah. But I don't know why I'm cheering.

it because it sounds kind of awful. Like, I'd probably leave after the first ding, chug your beer, ugh. So it's just made for you to just keep going. Keep going. That's the whole thing.

Yeah. You got one night a year to go do this? Yeah. Because normally they try, you know, they're like, I think you've had a little too much. They're like, I don't think you've had enough, sir. It's the opposite.

They're trying not to cut you on. They're like, sir, how many times have you pulled trick? All right. Well, I'm curious for the Brosner's to let us know, which of these three businesses would you go to? And also, if you have a better idea, I'd love to hear it. I want to read the comments of this. There's got to be some good non-PC business ideas out there.

Definitely. Nuts on kids. It sounds promising. It sounds promising. Tampons and fans. Hey, Kyle, let me ask you a question. Yeah. What's in the news?

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Both of you are endos? That's right. Yes, these are the pants that I wear. My legs don't sweat in these bad boys. Look, I'm on a camera on a podcast. I'm not going to wear shorts like an unprofessional jerk. I'm wearing my doers. Wow.

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Little title here, secret of why Greenland Sharks live so incredibly long has finally been revealed. Finally revealed. Why do you think that is, guys? Well, they're very, they're in very cold waters. Yep. So that, I think, helps sort of preserve tissue. I'm just guessing.

They're slow, right? They are very slow. They're very slow metabolism. Correct. It's not, they're not digesting themselves from the insides like we are. Right. I don't know. I'm just throwing a.

Yeah, no, I was going to say, I've not read it. My, my, uh, first of all, these creatures like are the most fascinating to me because I always think about like, imagine a creature that was here like before the Civil War, like 500 years ago. It's just crazy. Oh, you mean individual. Sorry. Sorry. Either way, though.

Like, that also fascinates me. But like, this thing has been alive for this long. That something living today might have swum by Christopher Columbus's ship. Yes. Exactly. But I would say, I agree. I think the, the, the metabolism thing. and not having to expend so much energy digesting food.

So you're both on the right track, and it is about metabolism, but the thing is a recent study found that no change in enzyme activity in sharks between the ages of 60 and 200 years. So the enzymes within their body were not changing, meaning that their metabolism just stayed stable. So if you think of us, you think of any other creature living as you get older, your metabolism slows down, means you kind of process food as well.

it means your nutrients are not going into your system as easily, right? And I'm sure there's a whole lot of other physiological things that I don't understand. But what they found in these Greenland sharks is because they are living in these cold environments and they're slow moving and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Nothing was changing within them from basically age 60 to age 200. So they were just in a constant sort of state of equilibrium without aging more or less and then continued to age. It's wild.

Pretty fascinating thing because, you know, we know things that move. slowly and live down deep and are cold, live longer. But this is like the why behind it. It's almost like the body doesn't, it doesn't shed off and regenerate cells and things. It does it very slowly. Like, whereas we regenerate even all our skin cells every 10, 10, 7 years. It's like a whole new skin body.

Exactly. And we're constantly making new cells, losing cells. It's like they don't. Yep. They just float around with the same. They just stay in like a state of stasis as far as changing enzymes. Like what? They eat like even less than alligators and crocodiles, I'm assuming. I don't know about that. I mean, I think they're pretty opportunistic. I think they eat whenever they can. But they can certainly go pretty long periods of time without money.

Yeah. It's just a while. 500 years is what they say is how long they can live. Right. But so for the basically all of their adult life. It's as if you turned 30 and then from 30 to age 60, nothing changed. Right. And then you continue to age 60 basically. Right. But I'm only 30. So I get that extra bump. Exactly. Right. Exactly. That's basically the way that it's been described. So pretty cool. How can we harness this? Good question. I actually... Ozempic, right? Doesn't that stop you eating? I was thinking about that. That's a really cool video that Kyle just brought up. I was thinking about that when you just kind of blurted out. You said like, you know, your body stops processing things. It's hard to digest food. It's hard to eat. Like if you go from a 30-year-old who's just eating any of the shit that you want and you keep doing that to 40, 50, then yeah. Then you're not young. Well, you're going to age faster. But if you taper off how much you eat, that's why fasting, I think, is a big thing.

I think that kind of thing keeps you younger. Oh, I mean, there's so much new, and I'm not that dialed into all this fitness stuff, but there's so much new and interesting science about fasting and specifically going to bed on an empty stomach because that's what creates HGH, right? Human growth hormone in your system, which keeps you younger. If you're a male gives you higher testosterone, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And it's, it's, a lot of it has just been attributed to not eating. Dude, that's fascinating because I, you know, I've been in a health kick, whatever.

But big time. But so I, I stopped eating after nine, basically. And it's a huge thing. It took me two months to, like, be able to consistently do it. But whenever I fuck up and do it, like, even if I eat just an apple or something, like, it's, it's, it's, I wake up groggy. If I don't eat anything past nine, like, I wake up and I'm like, boon, so, like, everything is good. And I feel light. If I eat just even something healthy, it doesn't matter. And small calories. If I do it after nine, I wake up and like my stomach feels full and I'm just like uncomfortable and groggy. And I just noticed that. I was like, that's a very big difference to how I've always been because I've always eaten like shit after 9 p.m. It's so funny how it's for me it's a big balance. Like if I, because I, you know, Tuesday, Thursday is like tonight I'll go to rugby after this. I'll drive up Santa Barbara go to rugby. Yeah. If I don't eat during the day, I play my best game of rugby by far. But if I leave that too long, like if I have like a medium

breakfast, some decent protein and then don't eat the rest of the day, I'd play really well in the evening. Yeah. But if I miss that or if I don't do it quite right, then I have no energy. So it's like a real delicate balance. It's like I have to eat a little bit at some point to feel good. But then if I eat too much, like if I ate a big meal now and went to rugby, I'd be terrible. Like I'd be super slow and it's such a balance. I got some. You might like it. I think you'll like this for sure. because you're fucking on your own program with this fitness thing doing heavy squats at 8 a.m. So I got a vacation coming up Labor Day.

Okay. Big group trip. Going with five families. Wow. Yeah. Where too? Going to Scottsdale. Oh, that's right.

Staying in a nice resort. Yeah. It's going to be all pool time, baby. I'm like, all right. I'm going to get my ass in shape so I don't have to go down the water slide with my shirt on it. So you don't get stuck in it. Yeah. So, you know, cut out weeknight booze. That's already made a big change. Yep.

But so I'm on this new breakfast kick. Mm-hmm. I swear to God, I feel like I have way more energy throughout the entire day. What do you do for breakfast? I'm starting because I've, usually I just miss breakfast and then like eat lunch at like two, three o'clock. Yeah. So I get up, do my shit, whatever. I make a protein shake, put some granola in a bowl, pour the shake over it.

Wow. Like the milk. Delicious something. And just hit that, get the carbs and the protein. There you go. I'm good until dinner time. There you go. Perfect.

Excellent. Human beings like, okay, so the Greenland shark is lucky because it doesn't have to deal with this. It's just done automatically by nature. For us, like, we don't get anything.

We have to figure out everything because our big brains are supposedly our asset. So we have to figure out how to stay, like do these little tips and tricks. Don't eat at night. That's interesting. Yeah. Eat in the morning like to feel better throughout the day. It's like you don't know this.

It's not natural. You have to either do it and experience it or read it and learn it and be able to do it. I wonder why evolution chose that skill or that biomechanic for the Greenland shark. Yeah, right. Maybe because of where they live, there's less of them, so they have to live longer to pass the DNA on. Probably, I think that would make sense. It's just slow. Everything it does is slow.

If, Kyle, if you look up the, like, what age are Greenland sharks reproductively viable? Yeah. Or can they reproduce as a smarter way to say that? I'd like to see one have sex. I don't know about you guys. But my guess is, you know, they can't even breed until, wow, that doesn't sound right. 150. Dude, I'm telling you this Google AI bullshit.

Yeah, there you go. No, so what does it say? It says that National Geographic is the source there. Yeah. So it says that Greenland sharks cannot reap or do not reach reproductive age until around 150 years old. That's crazy. So if you're not reaching reproductive capabilities until 150 years old, you have to be slow and you have to have a long life span. So basically just think of, the same thing we see with like tortoises and some of these other slow animals. Everything they do is at half speed.

You know what I mean? And it's like the opposite of a housefly, right, or a bumblebee or something that can live 24 hours. Right. Everything they do is like, buzz, like wake up, feed, eat, fuck, go to bed, die. Like that's it. Like their whole life is in a day, you know? And this is like the polar opposite of that. It's like everything takes a long time and we're somewhere in the middle with a hundred year lifespan.

See, but that's kind of an interesting thing about humans, right? Is that like our bodies didn't evolve to want to stay sexually attractive until you're in your 40s and 50s. Yeah. Like we were done, right? Like we may, you know, we evolved to mate at, you know, 16, 17, 18, 18, 19, 20 years old versus like, you know, waiting until you're 40 to have kids. and then also wanting to be healthy and enjoy a life until your 70s and 80s. Our evolution didn't choose that for our bodies. That's why we're constantly trying to biohack everything.

We're fighting it. Yeah, exactly. And keep in mind, like, our lifespans until very recently, you know, we died in the 50s, in our 50s. So I've read that that's not, it's not like exactly accurate. I was reading that basically the stats on that are skewed because of like the amount of uh fatalities babies who died yeah yeah yeah and it's like the actual median level of that is we've always really lived to like this this 60 70 year old mark maybe not like 2,000 years ago but for a

long time and it's just that it's the average has been skewed because how long did neanderthal what neanderthal lifespan oh come on neanderthals is like millions that's that's our I mean that's part of our yeah yeah the foundation of our evolution okay let's see 25 to 40 years. Okay. Still probably skewed. 85% have died by age 40. Yeah.

So 85% of Neanderthals died by age 40. Right. They're dying early. But it's like, are you dying because you're not allowed to live your natural life, most likely, for most of that 80%. You're getting killed. You're getting infection. You're getting disease. Right.

You're dying from childbirth. That's us fighting it. That's the whole point. What Patrick was pointing out is we're fighting that, right? we would also all be dead in our 50s or 60s or whatever, called 70s, call it whatever you like. Yeah. But now we have all this modern medicine. Now we all this research on longevity, blah, blah, blah.

I remember when I was a kid, I distinctly remember this. There was like some stat or some news headline that came out that said basically everybody born in the 90s was going to live to be over 100. I remember that? I remember that stuff all the time? I've heard shit like that. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like, oh, wow.

We're lucky. I was born in the 80s. So I was like, oh, not quite. But, you know, everybody below me is going to be over 100. you're not all going to live fucking bullshit in fact I think we're dying younger than ever now

it takes a really long time to make those strides but I mean we really are fighting against humans are fighting against death with just medicine alone I mean you're keeping people alive like I don't even know

if I want to be kept alive after I'm like 80 if it's going to be like difficult just quality of life it's just quality of life I don't think that's going to be an issue for you F all right

go ahead Cal I was going to say I've read studies or maybe articles, it said that the first person to live infinitely has already been born. What? With modern medicine and... That's a nonsensical TikTok headline. Are you kidding me?

I mean that... Well, there's no carbon-based life form that will live infinitely. But what you're saying is they're going to download their consciousness into some supercomputer and then, you know, something like that. I think it's like a biological thing. I don't know if infinite is the right word, but a very long time. It's out there. These headlines are there. If it's anyone, it's Elon Musk, and he hasn't

announced it yet, and he's very outspoken. Dude, I also doesn't look great shirtless. No. Oh, boy. I did just want to get one more thing in on my weird, every man, weird perspective, but since we're talking about this, like, meditation and

whatnot, when you come to, like, humans and, like, slowing down your mind, like, dude, my mind is always so freaking busy. Like, I feel like that is really like reduces your lifespan because it just gets out of control the older you get. There's so many things. There's bills.

Now there's kids. I got to get up. It's like this. It's that. Back when I was like a teenager, I didn't give a shit about anything. I just slept till like 1 p.m. didn't worry about it. Now if I slate and bed until 1 p.m.

I'd be freaking out for a week about what I didn't do. About catching up. You know? All right. Well, well, we're on this health kick. This is after all, this is after all a health and wellness podcast. Sure is. What do you,

what are your feelings on saunas? You too. They are torture for me, but I do feel, I went to my buddies. He has a sauna and a cold plunge, and he made me do it. Nice. And I just fought through the urge to get out of that thing. You want to do like 20 minutes and then did an instant cold plunge in and out. Felt incredible.

I'm a big fan. I'm sure they're really good for you. They do say they, you know, all this stuff about them increasing your lifespan while we're talking all about that. I'll tell you what they're definitely doing. What? They're definitely increasing the lifespan of some frogs. Email alert moments ago. Kyle's going to put it on screen here.

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What? So I think we've talked about Kittred Fungus before on this podcast. So Kittred Fungis is a fungus that's a deadly fungus, fungal disease actually, that's spread among, amongst most amphibians globally. It was invented, at least we think, in a lab with African clawed frogs while figuring out birth, not birth control, birth tests, because they used to use African clawed frogs for that. All of a sudden, this chytrid fungus popped up, spread globally. It's wiped out, maybe Kyle can figure this out the number, but it's wiped out

like 80% of amphibians globally. What? That's not that high, but it's massively high. When did they think it was developed in a lab? It's one of the theories. It's one of the theories that it came from Nobody really knows. And nobody would ever admit to that. So we'll never know for real. So they used to 90 species of frog have gone extinct in the wild from Kittred fungus. Dude, since like when was this? Sorry, wait, wait, was that 501 amphibians driven into decline?

501. 50% have gone extinct. Anyway, one of the theories is, so I think we talked about this. African clawed frogs used to be used as pregnancy tests because they'd change from blah, blah, blah. and they think that the kittred fungus came from testing with them or from importing them. Not necessarily it was made in a lab like a COVID thing. Sure. It sprung up from what they were doing.

That's what they believe. That's one of the well thought out beliefs. But nobody really knows where Kittred Fungus came from. Regardless, published in Nature recently from the University of Melbourne, they found out that there is hope against Kittred Fungus for the green and golden bell frogs, which have been severely impacted in Australia, by creating artificial hot spot shelters or basically little tiny saunas, hot humid areas that they would build out of bricks and little tiny PVC greenhouses where the frogs would actually, when they had kittred fungus,

because they feel ill, right? They'd hop into these little greenhouses, these little saunas, and it would boost their metabolism and knock out the kittred fungus. Oh, wow. And it would act like a little spa for these frogs. And they'd sort of, yeah, here's a picture of the ones they built. Yeah. And it, it, I don't know if it knocked it out. completely or just slowed it down a whole lot, but it created a lot of hope for something that, you know, like, I've been speaking with like colossal because I've been like, can't you guys use your incredible technology to beat Kittred fungus? Like, all these people are trying to figure out how to beat it because it's such a devastating thing for amphibians globally. Yeah. And by the way,

something a lot of people don't understand, like, oh, who cares if the frogs go away? The frogs go away. All the mosquitoes come in, you know, like, and there's a million other things. Like, it's a big chain reaction if we lose all our amphibians. So anyway, um, Yeah, it's pretty cool that this sort of simple solution. So they go into these saunas and it basically, does it kill the fungus off of them or it just boosts their like immune system? I think it actually kills the fungus because the fungus is not, it doesn't thrive in warm environments. I remember reading that. Like it specifically affected colder environments amphibians.

That's not a bad deal, dude. You just got to go get yourself a nice little spa day to get rid of this disease. It's pretty interesting though because it's such a, I don't know, it's such a, I don't know, it's such a, simple rudimentary thing to just make a little hollowed out kind of hot area for these animals and they just hop in there. Yeah. It basically looks like a concrete block with holes in it and a bunch of frogs with their head sticking out. Yeah. What is heating that thing? I think just the sun, the sun and the water. It's just the environment. You know, you put concrete in the sun and it heats up much more than a piece of wood or a bit of dirt. And it looks like something that can be like scaled large to same species of frogs if they want to use this for some other species.

Yeah, so it says here the method not only reduces infection rates significantly, but also boost frogs immunity to Kittred potentially saving populations from complete collapse. Oh, dude, and then it probably builds their immune system so that genetically, over the, you know, the generations, it probably build up immunity to the, to this fungus. Yeah, potentially. I mean, it could even, you know, it could even make them adapted for warmer climates and all kinds of things. But it's just, you know, typically in nature, this is important. I mean, anybody that's in the reptile or amphibian keeping community knows this.

If a lizard, a frog, a turtle, a snake gets sick, they go and lie in the sun. That's what they do. They take in sun warmth from the energy and try and, like, heal themselves. Yeah. But obviously, the sun is not strong enough in a lot of these climates. So this is like an alternative. So the animals already know to go into the heat to try and heal themselves. But by creating these artificial saunas, it's basically allowing them to heal themselves.

Do you think that, so when they have this fungus, like, is it on their, skin? Yeah, so, Kyle, type in Kittred fungus. That's not how you spell it. C-H-Y-T-R-Y-D, I think. T-R-I-D, sorry. Kindred, Kittred. There's a much longer Kittredmiosis or whatever, but

that looks like a toe fungus he's brought up there, maybe an eyeball fungus. Yeah, I don't know what. There's mushrooms growing out of somebody's foot here. Oh, so there it is. There you can kind of see it. So it starts sort of peeling off their skin and growing this like velvety stuff on them. That's brutal. For the most part, it's not very detectable, though, to the human eye, is my understanding.

But when it gets very extreme, they start to show. Like, that one's probably like a dead frog. I don't really know. I mean, I don't know that I've ever personally seen Kittred fungus, but I know this. If I ever catch frogs, which my son does about a thousand per day, we always wash our hands. Like, if we're in one creek, you know, playing with frogs, then we got to sanitize wash our hands if we're going to another creek because you don't want to spread it around. Yeah.

I mean, dude, I haven't washed my hands today one time going to the bathroom. You're just trying to piss me off. I just want you to know that. Just trying to piss me off. I get it. For many podcasts ago. I remember these things. I got a game for you.

Okay. Another game. All right, so I was looking at comments. People love this game. Okay. We've done it a couple times. Okay. It's a short one.

It's a fun one. You can play along at home in your car. In your car. The name of the game is, let me get the jingle for it, Kyle. There's a jingle. There is not. Can Kyle sing one? What's the name of the game?

What's the name of the game? That was terrible. What were these dogs bred for? Sing it, Kyle. What were these dogs bred for? Nice. That's good. Thanks.

Why couldn't Kyle do that? I don't know. He's not an entertainer. What were these dogs bred for? So I'm going to name a species of a dog. You say what you try and really think about it. Okay, I like this game. I won't be joky.

I'll try and actually think about it. What was a Dalmatian bred for? Can I do it? I think I know the answer, but you go first. Because this will be the only one I get. Fair enough. So the Dalmatian was bred for firehouses back in the day to keep the horses that were dragging the fire thing before cars

to keep them on the road and from getting scared and going off the road. Kyle is hysterically laughing. Okay. I don't know why because I thought that was also correct. Are these recliners? Please try. Please try until you fall down. All right.

Forrest, what was the lovely black and white spotted Dalmatian? I believe it was bred for to make exactly 99 coats for Cruelda. What? That would explain it. It's the saddest children's story. Incorrect. What about me? Was I correct?

You were correct, in fact. Not specifically for firehouses. Okay. But they were bred as a carriage dog that were used to along horse-drawn carriages to protect the horses and riders as well as a decorative touch for the upper class. By the way, before I made the 101

Dalmatians joke, I literally also just thought they were bred to be like firehouse companion. They're also insane to keep. Like, if you have a Dalmatian, you have to spend many hours training it. Dude, what happened to, I just had this conversation literally yesterday with somebody. What happened to all the Dalmatians? They used to be everywhere. You used to see them all I don't think I've seen a Delmation in three years.

There was a huge explosion in the popularity after the movie. Sure. That lasted for some time. About as long as Dalmatian's last 20 years. A huge surge in the breed. And they're, I think, as Peter said, they're notoriously fairly difficult. I don't believe they're specifically thought to be great with children. And they can be a little bitey.

Well, I've told you guys this before. And this is something that you've spoke to many times about getting dogs. these are dogs that need to be outside running. Yeah. And people put them in their house, and I actually had a friend who it just dug through its wall to get to the other room because they kept it like in the kitchen. It dug through their wall completely. Yeah, I mean, think about it. It's a working dog.

Yeah. And yeah, you know, you're sticking in an apartment. If you look at dog bite statistics, Dalmatians, especially like 10 years ago, 15 years ago, used to always be near the top. Oh, I didn't know that. My uncle had two. They were awesome. Beautiful. Can you just pull the picture, Kyle?

I just want to look at them. So it's like a natural... You're pretty spot on. Yeah. Super popular after the movie and then people kind of realize that they weren't very good to pets. They suck.

But by the way, this is a good thing. People, they should... This is the amount they should exist in the human population. They're so beautiful, though. They're so good looking. Yeah. They also get a lot of like genetic illnesses.

They go blind. They go deaf and shit. Oh, shame. All right. Next. All right. Next up. Moving on.

Forrest your first this time. What was a Chihuahua bread for? God, I have no idea. What are you got? The chihuahua was bred for Mexican let's go Aztec royalty

as an arm accessory. Okay? Jewelry. Jewelry. The Chihuahua was bred. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

What? What happened with your throat there? No, no, no. Edit that out. That's awful. There's a bubble. It sounded like you had a frog in your thing. Sorry, I won't wash my hands after that either.

I will say that the chihuahua was bred to be the mascot for a very well-known known Mexicali chain called Taco Bell. Okay. It's not a jokey answer. It's not. It's true.

Look, I'm pretty much right. Yeah. Bread for companionship and use in religious ceremonies. Their history is tied to ancient civilizations in Mexico. I got it. You got it. I'm proud of you. Well, I knew they were from Mexico, and I didn't think that they could have possibly had a purpose.

So they were bred potentially to have spirit. spiritual significance for the, you know, Mayans and Aztecs. And then Taco Bell took them and made the dog say Yochiero. Yoquero Taco Bell. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Peter, you're up first.

A Sharpay. I don't know what a Cherpee is. It's the one that has a lot of folds in its face. I like Sharpie. The foldy skin. Dude. I think they're super cool. Okay.

I have to actually think of, I mean, it's clearly, it's clearly blind. Look at how its name is spelled. Charpe. Sharpay. Okay. So, I mean, come on. This animal was bred for, I don't, I mean, okay, let me just look at it.

I'm really trying to figure this out of it. I'll go while he thinks about it. Please do. I'm going to guess that Charpe sounds French to me. Don't know if it is. Sounds French. And I'm going to guess that they were bred in France as a wolf hunting dog. And all of that excess skin is so that when they're bitten,

it doesn't hit any vital organs. So who's the most... Who's maybe the most famous Chinese architect? Oh, I don't know. Darpe? I am Pei. Oh, okay. So they're Chinese. I would think so.

So they're not French, okay. Okay. But I like your answer about the wolves. Yeah, that was a guess. Jesus. I mean... Pay makes a lot, yeah. They were bred with this loose skin so that when a really fat Chinese man would lose weight and have excess skin,

he would have a companion that could go with him and draw away the ire of other people looking because obviously that's way more disgusting than looking at a human screen. Keep that one up for a second. That is a living ball sack. All right, let's see it. I can't think of a single reason. Please tell me. Originally bred for hunting and guarding their wrinkled, known for their wrinkled skin.

They were used for hunting wild boar. Interesting. By the way. Is it possible the rinkled? wrinkled skin was just sort of an accident. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it was bred for the wrinkled skin. You look at the wrinkled skin and you're like, okay, the wrinkled skin is the part they were bred for. That's what I would have thought.

Yeah, but it's not. It's just an accident. Kyle, good one. Does it say where they're from? Are they Chinese? Yes. Do we know that? They are Chinese?

Okay. How about the massive Great Dane? Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, you know, simple answer here. This is a, I mean, this dog's a companion. It's loyal. it will kill something that comes near you.

It has to be like a guard dog that would be able to go out like 100 yards and protect you from where do you think it was Brad? In Danish land. In Danlandia. I like the idea of a great day and being bred as a war dog. Short life, really large. It was good good call.

Like it was bred for war, like to send it out to patrol the front line. Come back, like map out an area for you. Okay. Let's see if any of us were right. It was bred for hunting large game, such as boar, despite their gentle image today. They were once fierce hunting dogs taking down wild boars. I believe it. Where are they from?

Danish. Well, I would assume Denmark. I mean, I would think so, too, but I'm curious if that's true. I never have known what Dane was equated to. The language. Germany. Germany, of course. Yep.

Okay. The pies. Yeah, the pun. I am pay. Listen, this is the vibe that I got from the dog. It's like it's got this gentle image today, but like I feel like like some kind of greater war,

like just hunting power if one was next to me. Well, much like you, right? Well, that's why you have a gentle image, but there's a beast in there. Not anymore. It was back in the day, but it's been beaten out of me. You don't think you're capable of just snapping in a fury and just pounding something?

someone? Well, no. No. I would use weapons. I don't want to get hurt. Fair enough. Kyle, you said you had some Brosner questions for us. I do. That you thought we're worthy of, we said, are they worthy of being done in a public forum? And you said, yes, absolutely. Well, because we do this on the, on the bonus pods all the time. We do. I also thought when he did it, he did it with, and let's remember something as we get into this. He did it with a very, like, snickery look on his face. Did you ever catch that? It was very smug.

It was. He was chuckled. And I want to point out that a couple weeks ago, he was furious at Patrick, reason unknown. Two weeks ago, hated you. Yeah. Reasons unknown. And then when he mentioned the Brosner questions, he looked at me, like, with a side

eye that was like, I'm going to fucking ruin your life. Oh, boy. So I'm not sure what's coming here. There's nothing bad. There's nothing bad. There better be something bad after that hype. No, these are fun. These are fun. So this first one's from JCRD.

Great. It just says, if you guys weren't doing your careers that you're doing now, what would you be doing or want to do? Well, I mean, I can easily go. Go ahead. Go for it. I'd be rich and I wouldn't have to do my career, so I'd just be hanging out on my couch with my kids and my wife.

I don't think that was the spirit of up. I don't think being rich and being handsome are on the docket. All right. Well, yeah, no, that was my answer. So go on. Oh, well, you suck. I'll go. I think I'd be a vet.

That was sort of, I always thought if I didn't work in wildlife, I still want to do something with animals. And so I'd just go to vet school and be a vet. And hopefully, hopefully I'd become like one of those cool vets like Zhao Almeida or one of those ones that I look up to that gets to travel and like dart lions and, you know, fix snare wounds and all of that, which I guess is sort of close to what I'm doing now. But I'd like to have thought that if I hadn't gone the route of a biologist, I would have gone the route of a vet.

Like if you were never on naked and afraid and got up to. your show on Extincter Alive. Imagine those two things didn't happen. You'd be a vet right now? I think so. Interesting. I think, I mean, I say I think so, but I wasn't going to veterinary school. Right.

But this is a hypothetical. If you could do anything outside of the career you doing now, what would you do? I would have gone, I would have become a vet. Homicide detective. Wow. Dude, you'd be good at that, man. You know, I was very interested in trying to be some sort of detective or investigator. I applied for an internship at the CIA.

Oh, really? when I was in college and did not get accepted to the program. Oh. I wonder had you been accepted if that would have totally altered the course of your life. Oh, we wouldn't even know him. I guarantee it would have. So it was back then, long time ago, you applied for the internship after your sophomore year. Okay.

And it was a two summer thing. So you do... Oh, it was a big deal. It wasn't just like a weekend thing. Oh, yeah, no. So you do your sophomore summer and your junior summer. And so I applied my... sophomore year and received a very stoic cold letterback saying no thanks what do you what do you

think happened no idea you've never reflected on why you got denied to be in the CIA uh I was I remember being surprised yeah I would be too because usually in college they just are like well let's at least try it for one summer and then yeah no didn't get it either do you want to revisit your answer of being rich and sitting on a couch sure I mean I was gonna say all right yeah but I mean honestly I I do what I love. So I wouldn't, I mean, I, so I would be in some other tech career where I did like technical things because I like computers, maybe pirating. I'd be a coder, probably a developer, a programmer of some sort, who created programs

and was a very successful entrepreneur making my own software as a service. What's the job that you're the least cut out for that you know about yourself? I could not do this job. Lifeguard. Accountant. anything sitting and staring at numbers on a spreadsheet. I couldn't. I would ruin everybody's financials.

No question. Teacher for me, I couldn't be a teacher. Oh, I could be a teacher. I like talking to kids. I like teaching. I could teach if I had expertise on it, but I would have to be like a second grade teacher. This is what's annoying.

This is what's annoying about you, Forrest. You think because you like going in front of a group of kids for 30 minutes and giving one talk and getting them really excited about animals means you could also deal with the paperwork, the grading the papers,

the patience for kids who are just shitty. I feel like he does do a lot of that. You think you could do all that? The paperwork part would not be good, but all the other stuff. I don't mind shitty kids. Like, I coach rugby

for a couple hours a week, you know? I get shitty kids there, but I kind of like beating up shitty kids, but they're like athletes with a good attitude. That's different from a kid

like hitting me with a spitball. I just, I just lose it and break them. You fail a lot of things. You write up a lot of things that don't go anywhere. You do a lot of bullshit legwork stuff all the time. That's true. That's true.

But you'd still be a horrible teacher. I thought that was going to end with a compliment and add with another insult. All right, Cal. He's been drinking. Yeah, what else you got? This one's from Kobe underscore AL or Al. It's Kobe L. Wait, is it A period L?

Okay. All right. So we've heard of forest near death experiences with wildlife and nature. But what are Patrick and Peter's near? experience. So in college, I was up late one night with my newish buddy. His name was Doug. I always thought he was a strange guy. And he had taken me up to his dorm room, which was a short walk. And we went up to get, he told me he wanted to get a bottle of whiskey or something that he had. And he turned on his computer screen while I was turning around. He pulled up basically a video of him

getting a blowjob from his ex-girlfriend. And then after this, I was like, I was weirded out by Doug. And then we went back to my house where we were having a party. So I left this party with him. And then at night, Doug had passed out on my front porch area, on a chair that was there. And they come out and I said, hey, Doug, like,

you got to come in or you got to go to your place. And he goes, no, shh, shh, shh. And I was like, what? He's like, shush, shh. he's like, I made a trail of bread. And he had a knife in his hand next to him. And I was like, yeah, I was drunk. I was like, this is this weird.

So I'll be quiet and I'll stand here. And the raccoon, sure enough, started coming in, eating the bread piece by piece. I don't like this guy. Didn't, didn't see us, didn't know. And then Doug got up real fast. And he slammed the front porch door. And the raccoon ran. to the side and it was like

going insane and I thought I was going to die I thought it was going to say that you tried I thought you were going to say you tried to wrestle the knife from Doug yeah that's where I thought that was going he was being a weirdo he didn't actually use a knife but the raccoon I was like in my head rabid raccoon I'm fucked this thing's gonna bite me like I'm gonna die

and then the raccoon was trapped in your screen porch and then you guys just let it out well no so what happened was the window to the inside of the house, which was inside the screen porch where it was now trapped, and my buddy, Brian's dad was sleeping in the couch. The raccoon went in the window,

shuffled up all the blinds, ran around the living room in a circle across my buddy's dad several times, and then we were like, get it out, get it out, get it out. Everybody now was up in the house, open the front door, open the fucking thing door,

and it ran away. Wow. If a raccoon in a screen porch was my closest I've ever done to dying, I would be... The worst part of that, story was having to watch Doug get his dick sucked by his ex-girlfriend.

He didn't need that detail, by the way. That detail did not need to be in the story. It didn't end up being important, but it's part of it being emblazoned on his brain. All of my friends who listen to the podcast, well, they'll know this story. Both of them. I think it's true. That's true. So I think we've all probably been

very close to death more times than we know, probably when we were driving on a highway. Oh, for sure. But one that I think about often, and it makes me cringe, and like you almost didn't make it past age 12. Wow. Was sixth grade sleepover. Oh, wow.

Okay. Sleep over at this guy, Neil's house. There's like five or six of us. And his dad had a kegator in the fridge. We're like, should we go drink beer? Of course. Sixth grade. So he was scared to use cups or whatever because we would have been too dumb to just wash the dishes.

So we're slurping beer out of our hands. Oh, no way. Yeah. And so we're in there doing that. for probably a half hour and everyone gets good and buzzed. Yeah. With hand beer. First, like really first time drinking with hand beer.

And so it's wintertime. I grew up in Oswego, New York. So it's cold. They get like 200 inches of snow. I mean, really fucking cold. Yeah. So there's this big river that runs through the middle of town. Separates the east and west side of Oswego.

I'm going to guess it's 50 to 70 yards across. Okay. strong current you don't swim in the river it's a big current yeah half a football field size across yeah yeah crazy pretty wide yeah and there was this old uh like an old train bridge that goes over the the river rickety old wood shut down for many decades and it was like a rumor of a thing that like some cool kids in high school had done there's like a little catwalk underneath the bridge that goes over the river with, you know, planks of wood, and you can kind of on your hands and knees,

cross the river on this, but there's gaps, you know, twice the size of your body. Sure, sure. That you have to hop over. If you made one slip, you fall into the river. That's, say, 50 feet into ice cold, brushing water. Jesus. And after drinking these beers.

Hand beers. We decided to all go and do it. Okay. I like that. And did it and made it across. but I still remember just that visual of looking down at certain death, being halfway across, being like, there's no way out of this. You got to keep going at that point.

There was probably a kid behind you and a kid in front of you, too, and you're like, I got to keep going. Yeah. One misstep away, dude. Just literally, you could have just one, like, knee into the raging water. Someone distracts you. Someone else freaks out. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Why? Why do we do it? Because we're idiots. Nah, when you're a young boy, you got to do that. those things. Dude,

don't act like it only happens when we're young men. We do it when we're old, too. Fair enough. All right, Kyle, what's the next one? Wait, didn't you do one? Did you do one?

No, it wasn't for me. Oh, okay. My bad. The Brewster specifically said forest stories are boring. Let's hear you guys. All right. I do like hand beer, though.

Yeah, hand beer is nice. Let's start a brand. From the old hand. Hand beer. Sure. So this one is from... It doesn't matter.

Yeah, it's from someone. Why is there poisonous things in the world? What does it offer? Oh. Kind of a stupid but interesting question. It's like something I would ask. Well, I mean, why are there poisonous things?

It's a deterrent so that you don't eat things. The only reason anything's poisonous. You don't have big poisonous things, right? There's no poisonous elephants because nobody's eating, you know, you know that. So you have a poisonous frog, and usually it's got, you know, aposomatism. So it's got bright colors or whatever telling you that it's poisonous. So that you go, okay, I watched Freddie the snake over there eat that yellow frog. now he's dead.

Me over here, Jimmy the snake, isn't going to eat that yellow frog. I know yellow means poison. Right. So is there any reason? So there are some things that are considered poisons, though, that get you, like, intoxicated or high. Well, yeah, that's what mushrooms are. That's what lots of things are.

But so is there a benefit to that, or is that, like, a net negative? Like, say, I want to get high on cybecic muslims. Am I spreading their seed or anything? Cilocybin. F off. And no. Cylacic. Cicavacin.

Cicic mushrooms. Uh, or is that just, no, I mean, when you pick a mushroom, you spread its spores, if you eat any plant that, you know, fruit and you eat its seeds and then you poop it out, you spread its seeds. But it's, it's not really. Like, poison is a derivative to tell you not to eat something. That's the whole reason it's there. It's, it's a biomechanical defense against being consumed. That's all poison is. I've evolved poison so that you won't eat me, whatever kind of poison that is. I got a question for you. So there are humans that we would call. psychopaths, right? There are serial killers, people who, you know, kill their own kids and eat them, do horrific things. And we go, that's a psychopath. That's a dangerous lunatic. Yep. Do you think there's that in large carnivores? Absolutely. So there could just, you think there's just a grizzly bear somewhere that's a psychopath? There was a leopard that my neighbors had that was a psychopath. It was a murderer. I have no other way to put this. So I grew up. Let's hear that story.

Yeah, sure. So, for people that don't know this, I grew up in Southern Africa, our neighbors ran a game farm called Bally Vaughn, which you can probably pull up, Kyle. And in their backyard, it was a big game farm, hundreds of acres. They had zebra and hyenas and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But at their house, they had this giant caged terrarium type thing, like enclosure. And in that enclosure, they had one of the largest leopards that had ever been caught in Africa. Really? This leopard had killed something like 12 people. It had been stalking this village and going in at night and killing people. And I forget who it was, but someone from Belly Vaughn went out and trapped it. And it took them a long time, took them months. And eventually, you might be able to find the leopard, Kyle. I don't know.

But they had this incredible leopard enclosure. Eventually, they caught the leopard and they put it in the cage. And they didn't want to kill it because it was such a magnificent specimen. Typically a man eater, you kill it. Yeah. But this was such a large one. It was one of the largest leopards ever documented in the continent of Africa. They didn't want to kill it.

So they took it back to this thing and built this unbelievable enclosure. Now, the reason I tell you this was a psychopath was because this leopard did something I've never seen any other animal do, which was it would bait you in and try and kill you. Wow. And a perfect example of that. Yeah, it was a true story. So we'd go over there. We'd go to ballet vaughn all the time. We'd play with the animals.

Like they were our friends, blah, blah, blah. But this leopard, you'd walk around the cage. and it doesn't matter if you were kids, the leopard would read you. Okay, so if you were kids like my sister and I were, it would come up to the side of the cage and like kind of rub its fur along the cage and purr and roll over and do all these kiddie like,

oh, look at me things. And as soon as you got close, and I mean, this is how alert it was, I don't mean like me to pack close, but as soon as you started putting your hands against the cage or something, it would snap and try and grab you through the cage with its claws and try and kill you. Jesus.

And then if you were an adult, because the adults didn't fall for, for it. We saw all this firsthand. If you're an adult, because adults didn't fall for this, you couldn't see the leopard. Like, the first 15 times I went there, we never saw the leopard once until you walk by the cage and then all of a sudden it would leap out of a bush and hit the side of the cage, like it was trying to kill you. That's crazy, bro. So it was constantly trying to figure out a way to manipulate a human into getting close enough for it to attack them. And this thing was fed all day long, like, you know, not all day long,

but you know what I mean? It was perfectly cared for, very well fed. I don't think it's a leperper. Normally, normally I'm like kind of against the killing the man eaters if they've just like killed one human being. I think they should have killed this one. It was nuts. I don't know if it's still alive or not. I mean, this was when I was much, much younger. But yeah, it was that animal was a psycho. Nah, lepers.

They only live like, what, 30, 40? Not even that long. Much less than that. That's a wild story, dude. After four years of podcasting, I can't believe there's a story I haven't heard. Do you know the Jim Corbett story? Obviously, he hunted several man-eating leopper. We've talked about them a lot.

Yep. I was doing a deep dive on this story. Because it's a really crazy fucking story. Yeah. Of this man-eating leopard that killed 125 people. Damn. Ruta. Rueda Priy.

Yeah. In India. Crazy. There was basically the short version of it is something called Bombay fever, which was just, what was Bombay fever? Malaria, I think. Or dengue. Wasn't it something like that?

It was one of those cerebral dengues or something like that? The outcome of it was nasty and you died, right? Yeah. It was like a flu, but it wasn't a mosquito-born? I don't know. It was a flu pandemic. But so this area near Rudapriag, I'm sure we're pronouncing it wrong, was on a pilgrimage to a Hindu holy city.

So there was a lot of people coming through. Okay. And so the disease came in and really ravaged this area because they had a lot of outsiders coming in, coming out. And so many people were dying from the Bombay. fever that they were just at a certain point just started throwing bodies into the tree line. That's right. I remember this.

Yeah. And so that sounds brutal. Yeah. So the thought is that this leopard just was eating nothing but human for a couple years. Yeah. They were just getting fed basically. Yeah. Yeah.

And so it was like, yeah, that's good shit. Wow. And then it just started making that its main deal. So, yeah. And so eventually Jim Corbett comes in. It's killed a ton of people. And he's there for a while. Yeah.

And he's trying a lot of different things. It's yours. Didn't he spend years? I think he was there for one to two years. I think two years trying to get this leopard. But at one point, he got, they had a, you know, a snare trap in a tree with a goat or whatever it was. And they got the leopard. And, you know, chaos.

He has, you know, people from the village with him. Yeah. He goes up, the leopard's dangling pretty, like the snare is like around its leg, but it's wriggling its way out. Yeah. And so he rushes his shot. and he it instead of hitting the leopard it literally hit the chain and freed it oh no way takes off gets a handful more victims wow and then he eventually he eventually gets it at some point later fucking crazy man

like i i this makes me want to read like how he did it i want to know how he got this leopard which is knows humans knows humans are trying to kill it it's killing humans like what was his strategy. What was his method? The way he eventually got it, it was on his 30th night of doing the same thing. He hung a goat, a live goat up in a tree, and he was sitting in like a little tree harness that he built. And he sees the leopard come out of the bush finally on the 30th a day or night. They hunt at night? Night, for sure. 30th night of sitting in this tree harness. He sees it comes out and gets a clean shot. I don't think you understand how rough that is. Because I've done it for like six nights at the time. And by that, like, third night, you're like, I can't sit up anymore in a tree

stand. What were you doing that for? We did it in Australia looking for thylacine, staking out, staking out the garbage patch or whatever it was. Why did you just put a meat tree up? Well, we did. It was a dumpster. And I was just staking it out because there was something cruising around. But I did it like six nights in a row. Yeah. By the, by the, even the third night, I was just like, your back sore, your butts sore. Like, everything's miserable. It's hard to imagine for like, even for me because like, that's like three days of camping without like even a little little like padded mattress. Nothing. Nothing.

Oh, and I'm sure whatever he was sitting and was not as cozy as the tree stand. No. They do, uh, they do a pretty good job on the, you know, the Yellowstone series, the 1923 version. Is it 19? Yeah, I think so. The one where he goes to Africa. Um, and it's like the young hot guy who lives in Santa Barbara, is friends with my buddy Garrick, by the way.

But, um, the young hot guy who's like the main star of 1923. Uh-huh. There's three, there's Yellowstone. There's 923 and there's one other one. 1887. Yeah. Yeah, it's 1923. That's right. Yeah.

Anyway, he's basically plays like a Jim Corbett character. He's like an American who goes out hunting these man-eaters in Kenya and Africa. And I'm almost certain that they, like, read some of the Jim Corbett books and just based it all on that. Because it's like the exact methodologies, the guy's getting pulled out of the tents. It's all like exactly like Jim Corbett's stories. It's a fascinating story, though, I will say. Kyle, you got another Brosner cue? I wasn't prepared, but yes, I do.

he just had a panic attack when he said that he got so sweaty immediately he was spurting sweat out like Homer Simpson he's so vile Gustavo Ravreira just wants to know why is Peter the way he is

oh I think that's for you guys to answer should we take that yeah I mean on me a product of nature and nurture I would think yeah just a rough that's such a lame fucking answer well let's be honest He's lived a hard 42 years or whatever.

What was it? You said that one time? I don't know. A hard 40 years, 35, 38, 36. I don't know. Yeah, most likely, you know, he was raised in a household where his brother beat the shit out of him. That's true. I think his anger problem is 100% genetic.

What about his alcoholism? How about first? What we do first is what do you think that Hustravo-gravo means, by the way that I am. I think you're just trying to be a prick. I think he's just trying to be a prick. I think he's trying to be funny. I think Peter's his favorite person on the podcast.

Yeah, that's probably true. You are the majority of people's favorite person. Well, that's not true. But thank you guys. I appreciate that. Let's wrap it up. Fuck you, Gustavo. I love you.

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