Wild2Mild Podcast - Ep. 6 Change, Cheaters & Conscious Girl Problems

Episode Date: August 3, 2025

Send us a textIn this episode of Wild 2 Mild, Bethan Kershaw and Nicole O’Brien dive into the messy middle of self-awareness, healing and the absolute chaos of trying to grow while still living in the real world.They talk about the difference between people who can change and people who won’t, serial cheaters, therapy breakthroughs and the frustration of being “too conscious” in a world that rewards oblivion.They open up about the gap between how people see them online vs. how they actually feel dealing with burnout, isolation and the fear of letting people in after being let down one too many times.It’s vulnerable, honest, and unfiltered the kind of conversation that makes you feel less alone in your own contradictions.They talk identity shifts, being the “it girl” who secretly isolates herself, and why self-growth sometimes just looks like getting angry faster than you used to.Subscribe for weekly episodes full of real talk, emotional glow-ups and calling out the BS we’ve been force-fed.#Wild2Mild #BethanKershaw #NicoleObrien #CanPeopleChange #SerialCheaters #SelfAwarenessProblems #ItGirlVsReality #MentalHealthChat #EmotionalExhaustion #HealingEra #PodcastGirls

So when does self-confidence become delusional? I don't think you can ever be delusional. I'm not delusional. I'm confident. Full, full send. Oh, I think that's delusion. But in your opinion, not in my opinion. Okay.

I think delusion. I think if you think about delusion, that means you put in limitations. Don't put limitations on yourself. Oh, no, definitely not. I can definitely think at times where I've been so. delusion the two of us are the blind leading

the blind life oh yeah like honestly with situations I'm like it's so funny because you could do something or I could do

something to let's say a man and we'd be like it's so justifiable it's so fine but if he was to do it it's like oh my God

the audacity vile how dare he yeah vile no I don't think I'm that bad towards men genuinely I don't

might be a bit emotional and I might need me I might need my needs met, but I'm not that bad. I'm not crazy psychopaths. The way that my brain goes, right, the things that I think that I would love to do with the way in consequences. Oh, same.

But I would never do it. I would never act on it. I don't think it's in our nature to act on it. Like, we would never act on it, but to, like, think of doing these things to these men, oh, it makes me feel good. It makes me feel good. But, yeah, I think, yeah, we are a bit delusional, and I like it. I'm here for it as well

I'm here for the delusion I feel like self-confidence and delusional people I think you have to be delusional because if like if you're not delusional about things then it means that you're going to have to conform

to all the society's standards that is so true and is it not delusioned to be like thinking outside of the box like say for instance for example beauty standards there's a certain beauty standard if you weren't a bit delusional

to go actually know I'm not thinking the way that everyone else is thinking. Yeah, that's so true. That could be classed as delusioned, but in my eyes, it's not delusional. It's actually very normal. In fact, it's more delusional to have a beauty standard. Weird. Why does everyone want to look the same?

That is weird. Like, there's no such thing as normal. No such thing is perfect. Why are these beauty standards here putting us in little boxes? Exactly. It is better to be delusional. Thinking outside the box, like, that's how people become great people. You look at all these mega popsters.

who really have something to say and people at the start were like it's delusion at the beginning crazy that they've said that and now everyone's like yeah delusion gets you places exactly it is and i feel like when you say for instance when someone's delusional we're not delusional so when someone's got a certain element of like delusion when they believe in themselves in a delusional manner you think it's delusional because they haven't succeeded yet yeah that's Does that make sense? Because once they've succeeded, it's almost popular to support the delusion. But essentially it started out as delusion.

So, yeah, like, thinking about society and all this, like, let's think back to, like, how we were. Like, when it comes to society, like, life culture, expectations, like, I feel like, fuck, I didn't know. Who were we before society got the hands on us? Yeah, exactly. Do you know what I mean? How did we think before we got thrown into the public eye and like how did we behave? I think me personally, I probably didn't like look at me behaviours is in depth now. Now I tend to critique everything that I do and I'm terrified to put a foot out of line.

Back in the day I wouldn't care. I didn't care if I put a foot on a line. The cortex. Prefront. That's what it is. Yeah. I think back in the day none of us cared what we did that's why we were on TV we didn't care what we were doing we were just like crazy party girls wanting to go out be out to like 8 a.m in the morning do it the next day do it the next day four times a week how could we do that like how could we do it it's actually vile like it makes me feel so embarrassed my prefrontal cortex is over developed oh yeah I actually like mine's actually over developed as well yeah yeah yeah a hundred percent but like being like six years ago or five years ago we were completely different people

weren't I like I think I met you for the first time maybe four years ago yeah probably around then God if we could see each other now we'd be like who are these tame girls tame girls we all we are quite tame now but you know what I wouldn't trade it for anything I think I've been you know when people say because I sometimes get a few comments on my you know like my socials where they say God you need to get out more especially on me TikTok because I'm in my pajamas all right Yeah, I get messages being like, oh, you should get out more, like you need to get it. I've been out, sweetheart.

You've done it. I've done it. I've been out. The whole of my, I'm 30 now, the whole of my 20s and even my teenagers. Yeah. I'm not going to lie, I was drinking when I was 14 and I know it's. Yeah, but listen, everyone did. You're going to arrest us now when I was 14.

I was 14. Like, everyone does it. Anyways. So, like, now when I look back, I just think, we've done it. I'm like, I think now we get to chill out, whatever. Last night was Saturday night, guys, we went up and we were in bed. By 9 o'clock. 9 o'clock, 9 o'clock we were in bed.

And I was like, do you know what? And I didn't regret it to you? It was. Like, according to my ring that tells me all about the fitness, I had, I got my four sleep cycles in. Sorry, the fact that that makes me more excited than anything else is wild. That's terrifying. I think this is when you grow. This is how you know you've been.

Because I think back in the day you'd get four more. you'd want to be out you won't be doing all the stuff but no not anymore i think when you get late well i mean this is just what i presume late 20s early 30s your life starts to change and you start to be more conscious about health um and like mental health and who you surround yourself with and all of that stuff um but then yeah 100% i think we've definitely reinvented ourselves and who we surround ourselves with and different things. But like, talking about like reinvention, like I'm trying to think in terms of like people changing, like, what's your stance on that?

Because like, do you think people could change? Yeah, do you think people can change? Personally, I do only because I've seen how much I've changed in the past four years, three years. Since I was on reality TV, I have changed so much. Don't get us wrong. I've still got my bubbly little side and me quickly. And I've still got my fiery side as well if you pissed me off. I mean, I have to, I'm, I've changed a lot in the sense of, like, I'll not, like, flip out the way that I used to because I kind of try and recognize it quick and I'll take myself out of a situation where I think I'm going to become a person that I don't, I'm not proud of who I don't want to be. I don't want to be this crazy girl that gets triggered and can it handle, you know, and start saying things that they regret.

Regress, yeah. Because I tend to do that a lot. So, like, that in itself has changed. from me I've changed in that sense because I would go mad I'd go in and and sometimes you just you can't do that sometimes you have to go you have to swallow that and go I tell you what I'm gonna remove myself from this and you're not gonna get a reaction out of me yeah whereas I look I used to love giving reaction I used to love it I know oh no sorry yeah I do know I feel like people can change to a certain extent I don't think I think some people are born the way they're born like evil people you're never going to change yeah I don't I don't I honestly don't believe like but you know

think that's because people don't want to change no you want to change how your brain is it's it depends how like messed up your brain is like sometimes you can't change that no because brain's malleable your brain can it is malleable if so with the proper repetition and guidance you can change your mindset completely flip it yeah but it depends how bad your brain is though so let's say like it let's say because I was looking at a podcast um of that brain doctor what's his name dr. Eamon a doctor Eamon and he was on about like this guy who it was an awful story this guy went in and he was like shooting kids at a school like horrendous and it was like the worst brain he's ever seen and like you can't change

if you're like that oh like you know if your brain is really fucked did he did he's he say that he couldn't change. I'm pretty sure if he didn't anyway. I'm just making this up. But this is my opinion on it. Okay, you think. I just don't think if you're like that to your core, I don't think you can change.

I think little things like if you were feisty and if you were like argumentative, of course you can change that. Right, but if you're an absolute psychopath. Yeah. But then again, yeah, like I don't think you can change if you're a psycho. I don't.

I think that's a very thing. What about a serial cheat? No, don't think you can. can change. Even if they went to therapy and found out the root cause of it in the childhood wound of why they're a serial cheat and the fact that they need validation. No. No. I don't think you can change. I don't, but I don't think men want to change. Oh, that's terrifying. Yeah. I honestly don't think that. But that's obviously my opinion. Yeah. That's just my experiences of like my friends who've been with men through like that and what I've heard. Right. And things like that.

It's like stories. It's just my opinion. Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Fair. What about this then? So say for instance, a man, right, he recognised that he'd been cheating, sleeping around, whatever. Do you think that he might not change for that woman that he's with? Yeah. But if he's doing enough therapy and he's doing enough work on himself and women as well. Like if women are doing this as well, if women are serial cheats, I don't know if they can change for the individual that they've cheated on. But whether they can change for another individual, that's a different story. like if they turn around and if they've got it in their brain like this is a problem for me

I don't have the ability to not cheat on this individual because this individual has allowed that behaviour whether that person can solidify in the mind of me like I'll never do that again for that person yeah fair enough but if they get a new girlfriend and they go this is a problem this is what I've done in the past like I need to make sure that I don't do that and that's something that I want to do as a personal goal for me, not for the other person, hold themselves. Yeah, I mean, it has to do with themselves. I personally don't think it's to do with the person that they're with because they can

have a 10 out of 10 and an amazing person and then they'll still go out and cheat. So I think it's like a deep rooted issue that yeah, they have to work on. But this is just, again, my opinion on what I've seen throughout the years of people I know and all that. But like, yeah, I think, but when it comes to like, as you were saying that you've changed when it, you know, you're not as like, you know, if someone's push your button, you know when to walk away things like that yeah i actually think i've turned the opposite so i've changed but in terms of like now i was so quiet years ago right and now i've gotten to be

so impatient oh so impatient okay where it riles me up oh yeah and i think that's actually living in london and living in a busy lifestyle and people in my way and i'm like move move move move people on the tube with bagpacks what the fuck are you doing on the tube with the bagpack take it off your back and shit like that makes me so angry oh I was going in there I was going in so little things like that yeah like I definitely to work on that but then that brings well back to the thing of do you think people can change but you have you've just that you've just that you've changed yeah but oh yeah shit no no sorry no no I think no I think no I think no I think

people who are, like, evil with their brains can't change, where it's embedded in their brain, where it's, like, their brains, like, rotting. Oh. Rotten fruit. It's like that, where, you know, when you see that, that stuff, you know, have you seen that? Everyone's seen that photo with the strawberry and then the rotten strawberry, and it's like, why did you stop hanging out with them? And they're just saying that strawberry with a rotten strawberry.

I've never seen that. Let her show you. Oh, show me. Yeah. Yeah, no, I think it obviously depends on the person. Again, these are just my experiences with the men don't think they can. change unless I don't know something astronomical happens um it's just something that they have to work on that one so why did you cut them off oh and then they just do that

oh that's wild is that what you mean so the rotten brain like that yeah I just I don't know this is just what I've been seeing on podcasts and things like that yeah I get that I think people can change to a certain extent yeah I think depends on the person yeah I think I think people can change when they want to change when they see that behavior is a problem that's when I think people can change yeah only because only again but I think you have to have the element in your brain where you actually want to be different you want to be that it girl you want to be the you want to be the best version of yourself yeah do you know what I mean yeah like I think people can expect because I've got in my head where I'm just like I just I want to be the it girl as in

like I want to be that girl that is just like where I feel so proud of myself. Yeah. And I, and I, and I see me how I've evolved and I see how I'm like living my life and I'm really, really proud of how I'm living my life. Do you know what I mean? So with like, let's say with the it girl stuff. So it girl online versus the reality. Do you feel like that's such a big thing?

Because I feel like that's such a big thing for like a lot of people in the industry. I know they're living a fake life online. And they're being the it girl and they're saying all these things. things and then in reality sorry you're nothing like that yeah yeah no I know what you mean I get that I think it's just personally I think what it means to me to be like that girl is evolving in your real life I think social media is it's a platform where you can express creativity yeah that's it yeah and I think you can be you can try and be as authentic as you can but ultimately until somebody is physically in your life

as a part of your life there's only a certain element of authenticity you can actually provide on social media because do you know what I mean? Yeah, it can be scary as well being authentic on social media to a certain degree because obviously some people may not like it

and you get trolled and whatnot and we've seen that all happen. Yeah, I personally don't agree with being two completely different people but I do like online versus offline but I do understand people can struggle with that because they don't know

what to show people and they get nervous and obviously you know everyone's different and it just depends on the human being who's you know posting on social media

yeah but yeah having that it girl aesthetic it is a hard one because I think even for me personally like say like back in the day

like when I was filming Jody show like don't get us wrong like my life was it was very much like party girl like I was always going out I was always taking photos and stuff and essentially like the curated photos that are

seen is not the equivalent to the absolute chaotic night out that you have so in that same sense it's like have you seen the aesthetic you know the trend yeah the trend where it goes about the stories yeah no the picture of her meal before a night out and then the audio is like them screaming versus like how night out actually went and the picture is like so civilised I'm like, that is so true. Yeah, because that's the thing, isn't it? I think the whole Instagram aesthetic, I mean, I think it's just that.

It's an aesthetic. It is, yeah, it is an aesthetic. It's not how people actually live their lives. Like, there's so many, yeah. I mean, there's so many people that, like, we, I mean, there's so many people that I know that have a certain persona online and a certain persona, you know,

like in this industry. And what's actually going on behind closed doors, nobody fucking knows about. and like it is the it's the opposite you know what I mean so it's I get people are private that's a hundred as you should be I know but there's a difference between private and physically lying and fake yeah yeah yeah it's like even like on New Year's Eve like months ago when New Year's Eve was happening I literally had a breakdown because I was looking at everyone was doing like oh my year roundups and all that and what they achieved in the year and obviously

social media you're sharing all the best bits right so everyone was showing like their highlights and stuff and I was like well that kind of just made me feel a bit shit because I didn't have an amazing year I had stuff going on and you know whatever and then I just put up a TikTok and I was like look I was like crying in it and I was like if anyone feels the same way about you know seeing all these trends online and everyone's showing their best bits it's totally okay if you didn't have a good year and people were like yeah I 100% agree like it's made me feel shit like again social media people share their best bits I think it's mainly on Instagram that's all the best bits and And on TikTok, it kind of filters down to be being very vulnerable.

Yeah. That is the thing, isn't it? On Instagram, everyone just shows their best bits and they don't show that worst bits. Like, don't, I mean, listen, I've tried to show my worst bits. I've definitely tried to show times where I'm struggling mentally. And I've, you know, I've got videos where, like, I try and show that element because I just don't think there's enough of it. There's not.

But at the same time, when you're going through those really deep painful emotions, I mean, to be honest, back in the day, I used to be very, very vocal about how I felt to partners and to friends and to this. I'd be very vocal about it. And I feel like I've definitely picked up a bit of a habit where I do kind of retract myself now. Like, I really, really isolate myself.

And I think it's because I've been just let down by so many people when I've needed love and understanding I've been met with complete isolation and disregard and discord. That's what I've been met with, with a lot of people. So now I've got more of a thing where I kind of want to do it internally

and I remember when I was going through that I went through a lot of burnout like over the past couple of years and I just really didn't show it online I was really really struggling like on that I was really really struggling in my life but I wasn't showing it online and then that's where it comes in

like the authentic and the where's the line drawn yeah where's the line drawn that is true that is true I think sometimes when you're going through through a very tough time, you don't know what to do. You can't even get out of bed really, can you? Yeah, exactly.

And then it's like, you don't wanna go online because you don't wanna be like, because it's not sympathy, it's basically like, it's not sympathy you want, it's, you want understanding, understanding and validation for your feelings. You wanna be seen and heard. You don't want people to go,

oh, I feel so madmen, no, no, you want somebody to be like, I've been through that, I've been through it, and do you know what it is? Your feelings are completely valid. instead of feeling so misunderstood and I think I'll like show them sides of myself

because I'll get trolled for it because people are like why you're sitting there filming yourself crying and I'm like well because you're not can I do it yeah now I will say the only thing that cringes me out

because I film myself whatever when I'm crying but the only thing that cringes me out because I was dating this guy guys basically he set up a camera and he went into the hallway and he had the camera set off

from a certain angle he laid down on the floor crying and he edited it and graded it and I think that isn't authentic and that is embarrassing in my opinion in the hallway

so he put his phone on a tripod sat a few metres away in a hallway and just started like going on the floor crying I think set up stuff like that in my opinion isn't authentic

on a tripod do you know what I mean do you know what I do you know what I do do you know what I do you know I'd up and just people are crying like what I lie in bed right and say if I've got the windowsill I'll just put my phone on the windowsill there but that's if but yeah and I'm like because I don't even want to hold it I want to hold me hot

exactly because you know what I mean in your field you're not going to get up out of bed put your phone on a tripod make sure the angles are right and then you sit down and you're like oh well then again I don't know because I think well yeah I mean well say what about if you like sat in a car and then you put your your phone in a tripod that's on the call what about that but you're already sat you're not going to huge lengths you're in your yeah yeah you're not getting up to set up a whole scene yeah that that I don't like and I don't think that personally is authentic like content but like if you're crying and you're just like yes sit up there whatever and you're doing content and whatnot then whatever but I just think that

cringed me out mm-hmm mm-hmm you know like so where's the line where's the line I know where it's everyone's opinions it's everyone's opinions yeah they're obviously just my opinions on it but yeah yeah and then in terms of like if you were to rebrand yourself because i always think of this if we if i was to like rebrand myself who would i be what would i want to like push on social media oh well i mean maybe they oh god this is going to sound so narcissistic no i like i love it when i love it when i do shit like this no i i think that where i'm at now i like the way that I'm growing I like the way that I'm evolving and don't get us wrong like you know some of the things that I've done in the past like obviously I've got loads of regrets but I think I could

handle that differently or whatever but I also feel like this is a part of what you're meant to do in life like you're meant to learn learn yeah and I'm not the type of person that learns from other people's mistakes unfortunately I always have to learn the hard way unfold yeah and that's just how it is but I kind of I feel like that's it just says what it is like it is like like I don't want to be caught I don't want to live life in caution no absolutely not life is for it's all about lessons yeah so like if you're going to be cautious like you're never going to learn anything you're not going to evolve as a person like I just feel like yeah like you know like your window of tolerance in like your emotional state like you have to

try and learn how to navigate that I feel like if I was to rebrand myself all together I think it would probably be like maybe take life a little bit less seriously like just just tone it down just a little bit I feel like my conversations that I have go very very deep sometimes and it's good good to have deep conversations but I just think sometimes it can actually become very very draining yeah when you just keep it lighthearted sometimes I feel I wish I could be a little bit more light-hearted but it's because you delve into so many like things on TikTok that like when you were going through stuff and then you like have all this information and then if someone says something you're like oh like I want to share this and it ends up being

a deep topic and it's the ADHD as well like I'm just I feel like I'm just really I feel like that's how I'd probably rebrand myself I love talking about like deep meaningful things that are very very impactful and stuff but I also just want to have fun and just like try and be as happy as I can you know yeah what about you what would you rebrand your self? now? I feel like I've learned only in the past two weeks. Well, I've implemented it in the past two weeks. Basically, I feel like I take on so much. I want to do everything myself. And maybe it's because I have been fucked over by people in the past who haven't done it properly. Like, I've had management in the past years ago who stole money from me and loads of shit like that. And I try to do everything

myself now. And my managers were like, look, who are amazing. They were like, look, we need to bring in people to do this and that you can't do everything and that is why i got burn out as well years ago because i tried to do everything myself i'm not going back there so i've implemented by getting like an amazing creative director for my music like i can't do all the music side myself you know what i mean it just gets too much but thinking of content ideas filming editing in the studio thinking new songs like it all gets a lot yeah so i think in terms of a rebrand i am starting it with bringing on people who can help me in all different areas and just to put pressure yeah and learn it it's like learning how to trust people again isn't it because

exactly that's a bit of a trauma response I reckon because it's like if you get let down because I feel similar to that when you get let down so many times or when you feel like you're being exploited or when you feel like you're being used it's very difficult to like put your trust into someone because you always think are they doing it for the right reasons or they're doing it because the like you know they've got the same vision or goal or do you know what I mean so it's a bit hard because nine times out of ten I automatically think they're not doing it for the right reasons really yeah yeah so I'm trying to really reprogram my brain apart from like my close-knit friends and everything I would never think that yeah but like other people I'm thinking okay are they

doing it for the right reasons I don't know yeah and that's obviously as you've said being burnt in the past by people and whatnot yeah so even like yeah yeah like relationships and stuff like all they're doing things like are they doing nice gestures and stuff for the right reasons or it's hard to tell it is I think you have to go through the motions and then figure it out you have to have good discernment exactly I learned what that word was yesterday yeah it's basically the ability to judge a situation but instead of saying the ability to judge a situation discernment I feel like I'm so good at judging other situations like your own but not my own I just can't

do it I don't know what it is and then yeah and it ends up getting me fucked over yeah honestly same same but at the same time I think now I've got such a good group of people around us yeah so now I don't experience it the way that I have in the past

no yeah I'm same with me like I just I feel like I'm so happy with the people around us like genuinely they're just I don't know what I would do without the people around us to be totally honest with you I think every single friend and like people that I've worked with and just like I just genuinely feel like I've got such a good level and balance of where I'm at yeah but it took a long time I mean I'm 30 I've went through the motions oh yeah I've literally went

through the motions I think your 20s are for figuring out like the type of friends you want to have around and like you're kind of friends of everyone in your 20s aren't you yeah and then you're like and that's where you get and that's where you get fucked over yeah and then your 30s are all about having maybe like a handful of good friends and my mom always said that to me when I was younger It was like when you get older, you'll count your best friends on one hand. They will do, they will go through the moon and the stairs for you. And it is so true. Yeah.

Because like I literally can count them on one hand. Yeah, same. Like my best, best friends. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And I think that that's good. I think, again, because like, yeah, moms are always right, aren't there? Always.

Always, like, she always used to warn us about people and be like, Bethen. And I used to be like, I know my friends. You know, like that. And I always used to. to like oh I was very resilient towards me resistant towards me mom I don't know why when I was younger I was very resistant to it's telling is someone telling you what to do that's what it is it's not just per se your mom right it's like a teacher or anything I'm the same I want to do the opposite when someone says exactly when someone says don't go out with him

he's giving red flags I'm like yeah but I want to do it yeah and then you end up doing it and I do it and then I get achieving all yeah and then mom goes bad mom I don't want to say I told so but I've told you so oh if I'm ever a mother I'm gonna be a fucking nightmare I'm not gonna be a mom what you mean I'm not gonna I don't want children oh I don't think I do either I said if oh if I categorically believe that I don't want children and how awful is this I think that I don't want children because of the world that we're in and I and I'm absolutely terrified that if I have a boy society's gonna get the hands on him and turn him into a horrible boy that I've like like men that I have came across in my

life or if I have a girl like just the way just how difficult it is to be a woman you know what I mean like having a girl honestly helping her navigate dating and everything oh god that would just be a nightmare like I'm sorry I have a cat and that's enough like headache for me I love them to pieces but like I don't I think and I think you'd be the same if we were moms yeah we would give everything depleted where then you're so depleted and you actually don't live life and I see I see that from a lot of people but obviously that's amazing that's good like you know it's like the flamingos so flamingos are less pink because they give so much to their they're young but if they're a really pink flamingo they're a shit mom yeah it's fact oh my god I'm gonna be the right pink

flamingo no you wouldn't no I don't think I think I think I'm definitely good with children I've definitely got a motherly instinct yeah like but I think for it personally for myself I just think, no, I don't think there's ever a right time to have children. I think everyone always has a scared time, but I think you should have at least a want, you know, like, oh, yeah, I definitely like children wanty, like at this moment time where my mind is, I don't know whether that's because I'm single, I haven't got a boyfriend. That's what I was going to say, it's because we haven't met the right person, I think. That's what people have been telling me. Okay. So I think I've always going to have that mindset anywhere where I don't think I want kids, but I don't know, but people say it's because

I haven't met the right person. Right. So when you do you. I think I've always going to have that mindset. I'm you do meet that right person you're like well the next step is to make half you have me do you know oh that won't be cute which is cute so when you're so in love when you're so in love with someone that sounds so cute I'm literally going to cry me I don't smell it off why are you making me cry because that sounds so nice to say it did you make a meet you I'm like hope for me half of you I know it's so I cry every time someone else cries like that is opposite you're ridiculous No, it's like a happy Tia. It's not quite a Tia.

No, it is. It is a cute thing. Honestly, that touched me. So, maybe I am. My mom, hang on. Let's backtrack. Maybe we do want kids. Yeah, me, wait. Anyways.

Oh, God. Yeah, it's, it's been a lot. Well, you know, we'll leave that for, we'll leave it there for our future. We'll see what the future holds. We might be pregnant in the next episode. We might be married, pregnant. Who knows? Who knows?

Who knows? Who knows? Well, that was a lovely chat. It was. Yeah. I enjoy speaking to you. Me too. I'm glad we have a podcast.

Yeah. Fair.