Will Cain Country - Against All Odds: Can The Pacers Make NBA History? Plus, Why Aaron Rodgers Won't Lead The Steelers To The Playoffs

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

On this edition of The Will Cain Show’s Friday sports episode, Will and The Crew discuss the Indiana Pacers' chances of winning the NBA Championship against all historical odds and the Florida Panthers' collapse in the Stanley Cup Finals to even the series.  Will then breaks down the latest in the NCAA v. House settlement as a group of female athletes sue over Title IX issues which is likely just the beginning of lawsuits over the settlement.  The Crew also asks Will if he would "Buy-Sell-Hold" Aaron Rodgers' Steelers' comeback, the Detroit Tigers as Major League Baseball favorites, and if Caitlin Clark get the WNBA to the next level of relevance. Plus, following Will's interest in Brian Wilson's diet, The Crew shares some of the odd lifestyles of the rich and famous. Can you eat like a great man of history? Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is Kane on Sports, a sports exclusive episode of the Will Kane show. We got the NBA finals and Stanley Cup final underway, but can you eat like a great man? All of that today, and let's get to it with story number one. The Indiana Pacers have taken a two-one lead in the NBA finals. It would be, should the Pacers win the championship, one of the longest odds, historical accomplishments in the history of the NBA, and put it up there in the running for biggest long shots in sports. We got tinfoil pat.

We got two at a day's Dan with us here today. Whenever you think about long shots, if you're familiar at all with sports outside of America, the first place people go is Leicester City winning the Premier League. Not one of the traditional superpowers, not one of the big six. The big six is Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, and to some extent Tottenham, although that could be argued it's undeserved. Not my Aston Villa. Not your Aston Villa, but that is a respectable historical club that has a bright future, not unlike Newcastle. But Leicester City came absolutely out of nowhere, and that doesn't happen in the Premier League. It just doesn't happen.

They don't have a salary cap, so there's no forced equity, no forced parity. And small clubs to come up like they did in that season, it was just huge. And the betting odds were actually capped. There was huge stories in 2015. 15 when this happened about betters that made a ton of money. But I believe even at that, the betting odds were capped. And I don't remember what the cap was, but maybe 250 to 1. The Indiana Pacers win the NBA finals.

They will pay off for anyone that saw it at the beginning of the season plus 6,600. They had a 1.5% chance to win the title. The Thunder, by the way, plus 170 to 190, 34 to 30. 37% chance to win the finals. Every step of the way, this Pacer's team has surprised, well, everyone, even going into the finals, but before that, what they did with what, the 64-win Cleveland Cavaliers, what they did with the New York Knicks, every step of the way, they've been counted out, they've been discounted.

Now, I think that's in part because it is Indiana. like of all the markets out there that are forgettable it's in the top five of forgettable markets that's no insult to anybody listening from indiana it just is and pacer's there's just something about the logo the motto and the locale that makes it seem like oh yeah i forgot about them i forgot about the pacers and they're also kind of without a superstar i mean tyrese halliburton isn't on the level of shegildos alexander but he's getting there so the point is they don't have the player. They don't have the name recognition

and no one saw them coming in, but every step of the way, they keep taking down big teams. And with a 2-1 lead over the thunder, it's time we stop dismissing. Like, this could happen. They just have to win two more games. This could happen for the Pacers.

Two days. It's a scrappy finals. I mean, you don't have a Reggie Miller, you're right, which is not, you know, Shea Gilger's Alexander is being shut down a little bit. But it's been scrappy. It's been fun. It's different.

You know, it's not two teams. It's two teams I haven't watched much all season. And they're a super balanced team of the Pacers. They go like seven, eight deep. But the funny thing is, like, how many are actual name recognition guys? And for a lot of people that don't watch the NBA, the answer is zero. Yeah. Zero.

For people that watch the NBA. Like, who's that? It's maybe two, two, Tyrese Halliburton and Pascal Seacom. Yeah. But like after that, T.J. McConnell. What? barely like siakum you know how many people know him well you know siakum from winning a title with the toronto raptors is the second best player probably maybe even the third best player at the time

to kawai leonard and kail lowry but siakum is a very underrated player but you're right i mean he's not famous but knee smith and all these other guys they've got who are scoring like 10 to 15 points a game on reliably I mean they're relative nobody's and so you start thinking about like every sport every time somebody wins it all you create a model what can oh what do we take from them how do we build a team like the patriots how do we build a team like the chiefs how do we build a team like the Celtics and I don't know the answer when it comes to the NBA if the Pacers pull this off I mean if if there is a model and there's an answer it's the opposite of the model that we have been following in the NBA for decades, which is two to three

superstars. Instead, you got seven to eight good players, a couple, one, maybe two, great players. And, well, you could argue, well, that was the Celtics as well last year. They were super well-balanced. They were super great, but we also looked at it and go, but they have Jason Tatum. They got Jalen Brown, so they got some stars. But the formula for the Celtics was, we're seven or eight deep. And now we're watching another team, seven or eight deep, well coached by Rick Carlisle,

beat a team that, honestly, you would say, was also seven or eight deep and had superstars. So the thunder are deep. And they've got Shea Gilgis Alexander and Chet Holmgren. I don't know, man. I don't know what you do with this. If the Pacers win at all, I know we've talked about that we live in the era of parity in the NBA. But if the Pacers win at all, I think it calls. causes everyone a long look in the mirror.

And maybe it's a happy long look. Like you're at the end of that self-examination, you're like, yeah, why not us? Sure, we're not built like the Lakers of the 2000s. Sure, we're not built like the Bulls of the 90s. Sure, we're not like the Warriors of the Teens. But why not us? Pacers won this way. We can win our own way.

I actually think it's pretty inspiring. yeah I agree I mean I don't know why we're not looking at the Celtics playing right now honestly I don't know why it's you know Celtics Lakers Celtics math something like that I don't know you know Knicks kind of were getting there but they had star power more than this so I guess it's changed I mean do you think that like this they could be if they do win that they're just an outlier like the pistons back in an 04 I think it was 04 where it was like you know, maybe they break the model, but it still doesn't mean that it should be the model going forward.

So by an outlier, you say there's nothing really to learn from this championship. Right. To your point, the pistons were 15 to 1. They had a under 4% implied chance to win the title when they did in 2003, 2004. Other long shots, by the way, the Nuggets in 22, 23, 18 to 1. The Raptors in 1819 were 18.1. 5 to 1, the 2011 Miami Heat were 20 to 1, which is a little bit surprising because it's the Miami team after the one, I believe, that lost to the Dallas Mavericks. I mean, they had still the big three put together.

And the Houston Rockets in 94, 95, when they were, you know, the breakup of the Bulls winning three and then three again, Rockets won two, but they were 45 to 1, which was a 2.2% chance. and the Pacers are under that, under that 94-95 Houston Rockets, 2.2% chance. Pacers 1.5% chance. You might be right, Patrick. Maybe there's just not a lot to take from it,

but I think when you combine it with the era of parity, this is a good thing for the NBA. I think it means more fan bases and more franchises have to consider they might have an actual shot to win the title. If the Thunder do come back, and we're ahead of ourselves because it's only 2 to 1, But if the Thunder win it, it's going to be easy to go, whoa, the Thunder are here to stay and everybody's trying to play catch up to the Thunder in what they have on their roster. If the Pacers win it all, then I think you could come away with this literally with possibly 8 to 10 NBA franchises going, why not us?

And I think that's pretty good. I think that's pretty cool for the NBA. Who's close? Speaking of those 8 to 10 teams? Yeah. Like who are they? Yeah. Who could that be soon?

Well, let's see if we can do it. Well, in the east, you'll go Pacers, Knicks, Celtics. Who else? Cleveland would have to say, even though they had a flame out in the playoffs, that they're in that bucket, too. For sure. In the West, you would obviously say the Thunder, the Nuggets. I don't know if the wolves can tell themselves that or not,

but they might, the wolves. Bucks. Depending on what happens with Yonis, the Bucks could possibly still be in that conversation. I think in the West you could still keep going. The Rockets maybe. The Mavericks maybe. Karee, Anthony Davis, and Cooper Flagg,

if I'm a Mavericks fan, and I am, I am in the category of saying, why not us? You know? I think, and then there's the Lakers with LeBron and Luca. So I just, between the, we just named more than 10 franchises, I believe.

Yeah. I think we named like six in the West or more. And I didn't name the Warriors as part of that. And then another four or five, we named five counting the bucks in the east. That's exciting. That's good for the NBA. Speaking of titles, your Florida Panthers are not, what is it, Patrick? It's two-two now, two-two between Oilers and Panthers for the Stanley Cup.

Yes. And how many games have gone? Sophie last night. But here we are. How many games have gone to overtime? Three of the four. It's been exciting. Incredible.

Game three was a complete blowout. But then Taylor Swift showed up and jinxed us. It's Taylor Swift's fault, yes. Frickin' Taylor Swift's fault. Miami Dolphins players. She's to blame for everything. We always lose those games. I mean, it's absurd.

I mean, Dan jinxing me. I did. Oh, my goodness. They scored that on the text chain. They scored that winning goal the second I sent sent on that text. I felt so bad. That's how hockey happens to you. You don't see it happening.

There's no buildup. I know. And then you're over. You text this last night. You're hating all these overtimes. Like, it's such a heart attack. It's so fast. It's so fast.

And then it's over. Like last night. It's hard. I mean, it's hard when it's not your team and you're watching. hockey you know over times and it's like when it's your team forget it i was nervous for you dude i was sitting there like real anxious just for tinfoil and then ended to have a three nothing lead and have it in like that my goodness that's the worst in hockey when you feel it when you start feeling no lead is safe like what do you feel safe three nothing you should feel safe a three goal

lead, I feel good. Not lately. That's what... I feel like that's changed. I would have, like, a few years ago, I don't know, for some reason, teams are coming back real quick. Yeah, I mean...

You know, the talk in Dallas is, maybe the Oilers did us a favor. There was a little bit of talk about this, like, this was before last night. Because somebody was going to go to the finals and get hammered by the Panthers. The acknowledgement is to something that you're going to like, The Panthers are so good, so good.

And, like, all this talk in Dallas about, you know, can we get over the hump of beating the oilers? It's, like, not the actual hump. The actual hump is Florida and how good they are. But I don't know. I mean, you're still, you're tied, and you still have Connor McDavid and Leon Drysadle to deal with. He's so good.

Can we talk about Connor McDavid? He'd deeked somebody last night. I was just looking at him. It's so fun to watch. He's so good. Do you think that Connor McDavid doesn't get, but hold on. Do you think Conner McDavid doesn't get full credit for how great he is, Dan, like, he doesn't? Like, he doesn't, right?

He is so good. I've seen him do things, you're right, on the ice, at full speed. Unreal. That you just don't see other guys do. And I wonder if he was in a different sport. Like, how good he is for hockey, if he was in a different sport, everybody would know his name. Like, there is no, and I know hockey fans, everybody knows his name, but average Joe, average sports fans have heard of McDavid, but they don't.

Like, if there, there is no McDavid in the NBA. How about that, right? Are you sure? He is clearly, McDavid is clearly the best player in the NBA, I mean, the NHL, right? Yeah. Like, clearly. Skills-wise, yeah.

There is no, there is no clearly best player in the NBA anymore. You could have a debate with four or five guys, but, and by the way, How long has McDavid been the best player in the NHL? A couple years now, right? Longer than that. Yeah, longer than that. Like three, four years. Is it long?

Like where the answer has been in McDavid? Yeah, yeah. And then, and he's in his prime. It's going to continue. So are we talking, like, he starts to get into the conversation with who? Obviously not Gretzky yet, but like who? That's the conversation. You're talking about my point is all-timer.

Yes, like top 10, top five. all-timer right I mean if he was traded to L.A. tomorrow we would all know who he was

just like you know with Gretzky like nobody knew who Gretzky was it's traded to L.A to be with his supermodel wife and then

hockey blows up and Gretzky's over everything I just I think that that would happen again I just ran through AI I was like

who's a comparison for Connor McDavid in the NBA I was curious what it would say it spit out Nikolai Yokic as a

the NBA account. Well, that's actually fair. I mean, Yokic has been the answer to his the best player in the NBA for a good four years. Yeah. And doesn't get full credit for being that. Yeah. No, right. He doesn't get full credit for that.

Shohei Otani in Major League Baseball as far as like, Joe Hay's a 50 home run hitter. Like, Shohei is probably the best player. Everyone knows Shohei. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Oh. Are you saying like... He's in every conversation.

as the best player. But I'm saying, like, he is the best player. Not that he's unknown, but, like, we know, we do know that. I don't know. Aaron Judge is hitting 398 right now with 25 home runs. Just saying. Yeah, but is he also like a sub-2ERA, you know, ace pitcher? He could be if he wanted to, maybe.

Right, right. You got to go in two more games against these studs, but I actually feel, I would feel okay. Don't be such a pessimist, info. You're such a pessimist. You're such a downer. Your Florida Panthers are the best team in the NHL and have been for quite some time. We'll just see if you can put away the best player

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listen to the all new brett bear podcast featuring common ground in-depth talks with lawmakers from opposite sides of the aisle along with all your brett bear favorites like his all-star panel and much more at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Wilcane Show. The NCAA settlement has already been attacked, already a lawsuit to strike down the new world of college sports. Let's get into it with story number two. The settlement for the NCAA, as we've talked about here on the Will Cain show,

includes $2.8 billion paid out to college athletes from, the past for NIL value they did not receive. It also awards allows each school $20.5 million, essentially as a salary cap, to spend on athletics going forward on an annual basis, to be split up however you like, whatever you want, inside your athletic department. Finally, it institutes a, I believe, Deloitte type or maybe literally Deloitte organization to oversee nil deals to ensure that they are true market value advertising marketing nil deals and not just backdoors to pay players it obviously has holes there's no way it's going to work the way

they think it's going to work and it's going to be subjected to a ton of lawsuit and it already is female athletes from the past have already filed a lawsuit alleging that their cut of the 2.7 million payouts does not conform to Title IX. They didn't get the appropriate formulation of money that goes to them, and it's not gender equity under Title IX.

Here we go. This is the start. How much revenue did those women's sports actually generate? Therefore, how much are they entitled to? Well, the argument's going to be that's not what matters. What matters is Title IX requires a balance between the sexes. It certainly has applied to scholarships. It should apply to revenue too. But if we go down that path, obviously the next step is current women's athletes suing when they

don't get, what would it be, 10.75 million of the $20.5 million salary cap for each university going forward. And so women are going to be claiming half the revenue when they bring in, what, 5% of the revenue and every single one of the women's sports runs in the red. It may generate revenue, but it certainly isn't at an operating profit. And every college is going to have to decide, and the court systems are going to have to decide, what is actually required under Title IX? What is the new world of gender equity going to be? Because if they decide, well, Title IX requires us to give half of it to women's athletes,

regardless of market forces and economics, ignorant of them, how long until football players would sue under, I mean, what? anti-competitive violations, I mean, there's got to be, if football players are bringing in 70% of the revenue, but they're only allowed to get what, what are you going to say, 80% of the 50% that men get, save a little for basketball, that would put football getting, what, now, half and 80% of that, football would be getting like $8 million under the $20 million cap while bringing in 17, or they're going to bring in more than that, but whatever, they bring in 70% of the revenue. They're going to be severely underpaid because of the demands for gender equity

and women getting half. And you're not going to be able to live in this never, never land. Like, Title IX and gender equity was built on the backs of the, you can't hold two thoughts in your head at the same time. College athletes should get paid their market value and that's the only thing is just. And women should get half. You can't do both because the women's sports don't generate half the revenue. You'll be robbed. The entire enterprise has been taking non-revenue generating sports, which is every women's sport and most men's sports, tennis, soccer, swimming, that don't make any money and subsidizing those sports off of the revenue generated from football and also the coach's salary and the

facilities, all subsidized off not paying the football players. So you've got to pick which one of these things you think is just, right? And I'm largely talking about people who see this only through the lens of social justice because they've argued for both of these positions. And they're always good at tearing things down and never good at creating. And there is no answer. There is no way to create this. The only thing that can happen is that football and maybe basketball have to be carved out

from the rest of sports at the NCAA. they become their own thing they keep their own revenues they fund their own players and then you say well what happens to all that money that was subsidizing our non-revenue generating sports all the olympic sports and all the women's sports and your answer is going to be it's going to go away a lot of it it's going to go away i mean how do you fund it if you don't if you no longer have the money from football how do you fund it there's not enough and tuition and i know i know you're like well they charge so much for college and you're right but still those athletic departments are subsidized endowments you'll probably have some schools that say we're going to specialize

or we're going to turn out you know Olympians in gymnastics it's what we're going to do just like we turn out really good accountants we turn out really good musicians whatever a university decides you know we're tops in maybe they'll decide one or two sports that's what we're tops in there ain't no way that you're going to have a broad swath of for example whatever it is 70 colleges fielding a women's college soccer program and competing in a massive tournament i just don't see a future for that unless it can get revenue positive or you're going to rob the football players it's one or the other instead what you'll probably end up was about eight or ten colleges this is a little bit like water polo which i played i mean how many

schools actually play water polo in a good water polo it's like in the 20 to 30 range right and really honestly it's less than 10 that are nationally competitive and you really have a national championship traded in water polo among about four colleges USC UCLA Stanford Cal here and there you'll get a pepper dine or a long beach state or a university of Pacific but it's really those four that trade national championships that's probably the future for every school every sport that's probably what it looks like because the only way all these programs exist is by robbing the football players and we decide you can no longer do that so get ready for all these new lawsuits which has already started with the women claiming their portion of the 2.7 billion dollar payout

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Welcome back to The Wilcane Show. All right, let's play a game of buy, sell, or hold. Tinfoil and two days have a couple of stories to run through in the world of sports and ask me if I buy sell or hold. Take it away, fellas. Tenfoil, Pat. All right. Will Kane.

Aaron Rogers, back in the news. The newly married man is also re-uped, or not re-uped, but he's signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Do you think, if you buy seller hold, Aaron Rogers, getting the Steelers to the playoffs at 41? Do we know who he's married to? No, I want to know so badly. I know he showed up to camp with a wedding ring, and he's like cryptically all of a sudden, yeah, you guys missed that. He also said it's just a wedding ring. He didn't say I'm married.

He didn't say the words married. He said, yeah, it's a wedding ring. You know, my. Married to Ayahuasca. My perception of Aaron Rogers has been an absolute roller coaster. Like, I didn't like him. You know? I didn't like him.

and then he's a COVID and counterculture thinker and he's interesting and he's on rogue and I think I like this Aaron Rogers guy and then he kind of pushes it and he pushes it kind of far and you're like all right dude like what are you doing and the tide's

going out a little bit I mean I still would love to interview Aaron Rogers he's still a fascinating character very much but he's one of these guys like if he doesn't play well and he didn't with the Jets when he did play and

you know if he doesn't play the Steelers his act wears thin real fast don't you think He's got an air about him For sure Yeah the air about him wears thin if he's not Good

The Steelers Have been really good They've been better than Appreciated How about that? Yeah And no as a team But their quarterback play

Has not been solid Russ Wilson was all right with them I mean he was all right He was serviceable. I mean, he was all right. The follow-off of Russ Wilson is a story of the ages. I know, for real. Went from MVP candidate to NFL journeyman.

Fascinating. But my point is, I'm probably going to sell on Aaron Rogers getting the Steelers to the playoffs. And it seems like the easy take and the one that everybody's taking. But there's a lot going on with the Steelers. like with T.J. Watt, they traded away George Pickens. There's a lot going on with the Steelers on a roster that was pretty good that I wouldn't be making this prediction based on just how good Rogers plays. Like, he plays above average.

That's a playoff team, right? If he can play above average? So can Aaron Rogers play above average? And there's just something about the Steelers and the Sharon Rogers situation that makes me feel like it's all about to come apart. He needs an offensive line. I don't know what their deal is right now. He needs to be protected.

He's not as quick. so it all depends on that for me what if he just has the wedding ring to pick up women so I'm actually married at all I think it's like some sort of weird thing he's being so weird about it can I tell you

before I got married I used to hear those stories like you put on a wedding ring and all of a sudden girls hit on you and it's totally different I mean that hasn't been my experience in life like it didn't like oh like that women want what they can't have or they find that you know you're easy to talk to because you have a wedding ring this that cliched thing I think it's just fake right it's not real like that the wedding ring becomes a thing that makes you more attractive to other women I don't know I don't know I have to stay home a lot is I go out it's just it's too dangerous so my wife doesn't listen my wife doesn't listen to the Friday podcast so you've been you've had that wedding ring on for about a year today tell us how's it been it's been interesting i know because everyone says that they're like i'm like i can go out buddies like oh you never know the women like that stuff it's happened a couple times but it's been more of a joke like that

they play into that thing yeah no all right what else you got info all right the detroit tigers are the best team in baseball i mean pretty much the meds are up there too do you think that they should considered World Series favorites. I mean, they're considered kind of a loser franchise. Do you buy them, sell them, hold them. Wait, you think the Tigers are considered a loser franchise? Really? I mean, they've been, they've been the last, you know,

since Verlander left. You do? I would agree with that. I don't. Was Verlander? That's weird that you think that. I haven't seen them as brother. I'm not saying.

I'm not saying the Tigers are, you know, I'm not talking about how much they've actually won. I'm trying to think. So, so like, okay, let's talk about loser franchise for a minute. I know what you mean about a loser franchise. In every sport, there's like some snake bit franchises. And I've been around long enough and I'm old enough that I've seen them turn it around. Like, let's be real for a minute. When I was a kid, that was the Patriots.

Okay. That's who they were. and obviously they completely flipped the script. The Mavericks were that in basketball. They were a loser franchise, and they've turned it around and flipped the script. But you can do this. And that's an interesting note that like decade by decade,

it can change the Clippers. Okay, that's a loser franchise in the NBA. Don't you agree? Even though between their, you know, Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, era Lob City that became pretty good

and the Kauai Leonard they became pretty good but they still have that stink on them of being terrible for a long time don't you agree like with the clippers yeah

I mean that's the pirates of baseball that's interesting you think that's the pirates too definitely the pirates they have the longest playoff draw

I'm looking at the stats right now I know but there's something about the pirates and tigers that are old school major league franchises that carry an era an aura of legacy to them and maybe that's a negative i mean look like magnamore detroit tigers hat right you know what magna more yeah yeah sure was that 1970s but that time

that time they were a winner franchise they had they lost they lost 119 games in 2003 i'm sorry that's a loser franchise they lost a lot recently too yeah I mean Orioles are up there well they had the run with

they had the run with Verlander right like you said him in to go I mean how far did they did Verland he took them to the playoffs didn't he that's a pretty deep run yeah yeah they made a world series yeah

yeah they made a world series that was that one year then I think by the way I think the pirates have one of the coolest uni looks in major league baseball like I think the pirates

in general want to hear a few reasons is why the Pirates are the worst? I love the box hat. Go ahead. Longest playoff draft from 1993 to 2012. 20 straight losing seasons, a modern MLB record. Only three playoff bursts in 25 years.

Overall record since 2000, the last 25 years, they're around 400 games under 500 during that span. That's pretty bad. Yeah, it's not good. Yeah. Low payroll, no stars. You know, if I picked a random Major League Baseball franchise to like, I think I could pick the Pirates.

I like everything about it. I like the colors. I like the uniforms. I like the name. I like everything. I like their history. Yep. Like, when I was a kid in the Cowboys Stunk, I adopted the Browns.

You guys know that, right? And I rooted for the Browns for like five to six years. That's wild. Through the Bernie Kosar era. I love their uniforms. loved it. Love their players. Ernest Biner, Kevin Mack.

Loved everything. I can see myself, I'm never going to do it. I'm too old for this. I'm only the Rangers, but I can see the pirates becoming my like second franchise. They do have cool, cool uniforms and hats and stuff like that. You know, I don't think it's selling out when they're a National League team. If you go to the different league, you know, if you have a second team.

Can you have a two conference team? Like, I'm a Yankees fan Can I have a I can't have one? You can't have a national league team I don't believe in that No okay No

All right I'll shut my mouth Hey I have a national league team Um You what I said I have a national league team No I mean I can't do American league team

Yeah you're the Braves Yeah Yeah Um Yeah Okay I'm pulling for the pirates Bye

because you just denigrated them so much. I mean, the tigers. I'm pulling for Detroit. Yes. So you're buying or selling? I'm buying. You're buying? What are the odds?

Do I get Indiana paste for type odds on that? I'm in. That's a good question. Let me find that out. Two does look that up. You go to the next buy, sell hold. Yeah, yeah. We're doing the buy sell hold here.

Hold on. Okay. So NBA ratings are down. Caitlin Clark is out. They're down over 50%. There's still, you know, some journalists like Sarah Jane Gimeli are saying that there's still proof that the WMBA is thriving because like H. Buker has 35 points and I don't know. All these people are, you know, still killing it for the WMBA. I don't know whatever that means.

Do you buy seller or hold the WMBA as a sports league, a successful sports league without Caitlin Clark? no you know getting to the next step yeah no not without katelyn clark and i thought you were going to say by sir i'll hold them getting to the next step with katelyn clark and that was that's actually interesting right like can katelyn clark be the magic johnson larry bird michael jordan of that league take it from what it is to something that people actually care about she's that big a star clearly she is that big of a star and well it's clear at this point basketball needs a face, a star that everybody cares about. LeBron has carried it for two decades, and they're going to have to find an inheritor.

And I would argue, I think the conversation that we could begin right now is whether not that's going to be Cooper Flag or not. And we don't know, like, exactly what he's going to be or how good he'll be or what kind of game he'll have. But like, if we were picking players to say who will carry the mantle after LeBron to make that league popular, I think your first round pick would. have to be Cooper flag. I think I think I would take him over Anthony Edwards

not as a player, just as a marketing vehicle, right? I don't even think you're being crazy as in a homer. Like I think that you're 100% right because you need somebody American to take that mantle, right? Well, Anthony Edwards is American, but I mean

like SBA can't do it. Yokic, yeah. Yokich can't do it. Yeah, Yokich, Yonis. Yeah. I mean, what, what's exceeding expectations for Cooper Flag to be that? I mean, what does he have to do? That's a good question.

Like if Cooper Flag comes in next year and is like a 15 and 10 guy, right? Not great. Is he immediately begin to, and that would be a great rookie year. That would be a great rookie year. Sure, yeah. Yeah, I think that would put him on the path. And then when he's two or three years into the league, let's say, I don't know if he's ever a 30-point guy.

I don't know if he's that kind of player. You don't think so? He's more of like a triple double. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Scotty Pippin style. But then he won't be in that conversation of anybody.

Well, he'll be. And then we'll have huge debates about what not he's overhyped. Because he still will be the marketing vehicle, but he won't be that player on the court. And then we'll have horrible race. They'll have horrible race debates about, you know, why he gets so much attention. If he doesn't average 25 points, then they'll have. There's a chance. he does, and he becomes Jason Tatum.

And if he's Jason Tatum level, you know, in terms of scoring, and the truth is you have to score. Scotty Pippen was great, but he had Michael Jordan there. And so you got to score a bunch. That's what people care about. He'll be a great all-around player,

defensive player, he'll get assists, he'll get rebounds, but can he score enough? It's like Clyde Dreckler. Clyde Drexler back then. I mean, he would have won MVP if Michael Jordan wasn't around. So back to the WNBA, it shows the power of stars, and they definitely cannot without Caitlin Clark. And I think the more interesting buy-sale hold is, can they do it with Caitlin Clark?

Can she push them into an era? And she's going to need to make, honestly, she's going to need to make Angel Reese a star as her villain. And she's going to have to make Paige Buechers a star. You're going to have to bring other people along the ride. You're going to have to have your Barclay Malone-level guys that fall in the wake. They're great that people begin to care about. And so that's the buy-sell hold. Well, she's not good enough as a player,

but now we're talking about satellites around the Caitlin Clark's son, you know, planets that orbit her. And she's a useful character in the drama. Yes. But do you think even when she's all said and done and she has an incredible career, I mean, sadly, she'll be a footnote in kind of a sports way because it's the WMBA. Reese? No, no, no.

Caitlin Clark. For sure. Herself. I mean, it just doesn't hold a footnote. Because it doesn't, WMBA doesn't hold weight in a sports conversation. So, I mean, she's going to be great now. We're going to talk about her. But, you know, five years after she's done, or we're going to keep talking about her?

No, no, no. I think if Caitlin Clark can continue. you on the path that she's on for a decade or more and then she has an opportunity to put the whole league on a different plane. That's what can happen.

Huh. I don't know if I see that. By her raising, by her raising the attention and star power of everybody around her. But if she doesn't, if everybody decides all I care about is Caitlin Clark, then the answer is no. Okay. But if

her fame can rise you know five other girls up to a higher level then then you got a shot like you said hate too yeah hates as good as love what's the difference that's why I prefer apathy are you okay man no I'm not doing well no all right next

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All right, can you eat like a great man? I hate to give a microphone back to Tenth Will Pat, but he is the guy that has developed this idea. And that is you have some of the diets of some of the great men in history and whether or not we could pull this off. So let's talk about who you've looked into here. You've got Winston Churchill.

You've got Nicola Tesla. You've got Michael Phelps. Let's talk about what they ate. So Winston Churchill, I actually saw a guy try to eat like him one time on Instagram. And he's just piling champagne at breakfast, brandy at lunch, whiskey all day long, cigars, just eating just pounding stick after steak all day that was Winston Churchill's diet just prepared desserts heart disease crazy yeah gout I mean how long does it take you to get gout on this diet like a week um maybe that's why you had that cane I don't know this is the dream

diet that everybody on you know social media pretends like they want to have like whiskey and steak all the time you would feel like he would feel like he awful you would feel awful i'm on a pretty heavy protein diet so i think about sometimes like i'm not sure i'm getting the vegetables that i need like i got a pretty big focus on protein and what i'd really do like about it is that you're not hungry all day long yeah but i'm getting a lot of dairy i eat greek yogurt and cottage cheese i eat a lot of different kinds of meat um and i don't eat a lot of carbs fair amount. I need to get more vegetables. So I've thought about this. Like, I don't think I'm on the Churchill diet and I'm certainly not drinking like that. But the answer is no. And I don't want to

try. I never want to eat like Winston Churchill. I think. Did you see what it looked like? If you do that one day on vacation, you feel bad, you know. And by the way, he was leading, he was leading a country through World War II while doing this, you know. And cigars, like... Didn't he stay up all late hours of the night and sleep in, too? Like, he didn't start his day until, like, 10 a.m., I think. Yeah. Yeah.

He took his meetings from the bathtub, too. Better than LBJ. You heard about LBJ where he took his meetings, right? No. Oh, on the toilet. In the can. Yeah. He would make his, like, staff come into the can while he sat on the throne and conduct meetings.

Jeez. LBJ. All right. no on Winston Churchill. Okay. So now we have Nicola Tesla. Brilliant man. All kinds of theories around the things he's created or not created or what the FBI stole from him. But he was living in a hotel when he died, drinking boiled milk every day, eating Nabisco

crackers, and pretty much nothing else. And also had a, slept two hours a day and had a love relationship with a pigeon so you think you could uh what does that mean two hours he literally was romantically involved not you know not physically but he had a attachment to a pigeon that he loved like a woman he claimed it's all lies from thomas edison could you sleep two hours a day it is this is all misinformation and propaganda put out by the edison campaign exactly yes that's it's it's it's it all pro-Edison talk. Yep.

What do you think Elon eats? Modern-day Tesla, right? Sorry, I don't think he sleeps a lot. That's probably for a certain reason. Oh, you're saying drugs. I don't know. I just read things. Somebody should do a story on Elon's diet.

That would be really pretty fascinating. What does he eat? I don't think I could do this and I don't think Nikola Tesla did it, to be honest. I do think it's not. true. Boiled milk and this goes and that's it

he got I mean he got pretty thin there at the end you know I think he was a little

he was a little nutty it was paranoid because he was being followed everywhere and his life was being ruined

yeah for being what's have they done a movie on that on Edison versus Tesla is that the

that's not the prestige there is one they is that Christian bail in it they there is

I think it's who did Wolverine no That's... Oh, Hugh Jackman? There's about three guys. There's a Tesla movie that's with Ethan Hawk.

And then there's one about three guys. It's about the... There needs to be. The race for electricity. Yeah, I feel like I've seen that, but I'm mixing it up with the... prestige for some reason remember the prestige with you right

yeah yeah the current war it was about rivals Thomas Edison George Westinghouse and Nicola Tesla all fighting the current war for electricity yeah who can like get to it first who can power a city first all that kind of thing

there's a whole war between Westinghouse Tesla and yeah all right to ten full I remember reading about this because I was a swimmer keeping up with this Michael Phelps 12,000 calories a day. It's pretty crazy. He eats three fried egg sandwiches, pancakes, grits, pasta, pizza, just for breakfast, and then also swims five hours a day while being shredded.

Could you handle it? You do 12,000 calories a day? I think it would be so hard to get, it would be so hard to get 12,000 calories. Like, now, that being said, swimming burns a ton i mean it burns so much and i'm sure he was starving you know all day long and he is what is what is phelps is he six four six five probably um he's a big dude and so i could see him needing all these calories between the exercise and his size i wonder based upon this as well it looks like he wasn't trying to eat healthy necessarily Like, he was just trying to get enough calories. He wasn't, like, doing what I'm trying to do.

It's like low calorie, high protein. He was just get it all in my system no matter what. I wonder what he felt like. It's how you build muscle, too. Swimming like that. What's that? Pumping yourself full of calories is how you build muscle. I mean, you could eat McDonald's.

It's all about caloric intake. You said it. You know, it doesn't matter what you eat, as long as you keep it in the same, in the ranges you need. Right, depending on what he's burning every day. And I'd be curious what five hours of swimming was burning for him every day. I mean, I'm sure it was a ton. Six, four hundred ninety-five pounds during his competition.

It's crazy. It's like nine and a day to Herschel Walker with his bowl of soup or salad at night once a day. That's insane. The opposite of Herschel Walker, you have him here. One meal a day, a bowl, a soup, or a salad at night. By the way, that just shows something about body types as well. Herschel Walker worked out hard and notoriously you'd hear about Herschel walkers. Some of this is just genetics, absolutely.

I mean, I'll never be jacked. Never be. I can't lift and eat. Maybe some personal trainers out there is like, no, Will, I could do it. I'm like, man, I just don't think I have the body type that I could put in so much work and I'll never be jacked. Meanwhile, Herschel Walker is eating that And he, what did he weigh? Was Herschel like 225 probably?

Yeah, let's say. Just some bodies. D.K. Metcalfe. It's crazy how different bodies processed calories in different ways. D.K. Metcalf all week. Also, I have a hard time. Come on. That's it.

He's shredding. By the way, it's ranked the worst food for you. If it's food. What is it? skittles oh oh by the way um found out some Elon things that he eats

he is clean he drinks a lot of coffee a lot of Diet Coke every morning he has a donut sushi he likes sushi and he also loves steak just like Omaha steaks

pretty good there we go I also have trouble believing Hersch Walker that's all he I have trouble believing that. Some of this sounds like fake news to me, but the long short is no, I could not on any of these guys.

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