Will Cain Country - An Honest Conversation On Race With Adam B. Coleman

Episode Date: December 23, 2024

On this encore episode,  Will Cain discusses the situation after Dexter Reed was shot 96 times by police officers, the death of O.J. Simpson, and more with Author of Black Victim to Black Victor, ...Adam B. Coleman. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing WillCainShow@fox.com Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Merry Christmas. Welcome to the Will Cain Show, normally streaming live every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern time, Fox News YouTube and Fox News Facebook. Always available to subscribe on Apple or on Spotify. We're revisiting some of our best shows from 2024. And without a doubt, Probably, even in a year, with a massive presidential election, one of our biggest shows on Facebook was a conversation with Adam Coleman, the author of a book from Black Victim to Black Victor. He talks about race and America. So let's revisit this conversation with Adam Coleman.
Starting point is 00:00:50 What's up, Adam? I'm doing well. How about yourself? You heard what I had to say about O.J. Simpson or Sheila Jackson, Lee, for that matter, or FISA. I'm just curious if you had any reaction after, listening to me there for a couple minutes. I always love to hear if anyone has a reaction or disagreement with what I had to say. Well, interesting enough, just before I jumped on here, the New York Post asked me to write a piece about O.J. Simpson in his life. So I'll give my
Starting point is 00:01:14 quick take on it. I think O.J. Simpson is the American fall from grace. Someone who, like you said, signified a, you know, a seemingly post-racial society, a society that was trying to move past the superficial. And O.J. Simpson, I think, genuinely wanted that. He didn't want to be seen as just a black man. He also didn't necessarily ignore that he was black, but he just didn't want that to be the focal point of his life. And he wanted to be adored by everybody. And for someone like him who was, and I guess I underestimated because of my age, he was extremely popular and very well known. And for someone who's basically on the top of the mountain to fall so far down due to his own actions because he did kill them, I think is an American tragedy. And I think
Starting point is 00:02:12 that that situation sparked, you know, what we see now is, the media harping over every prime situation, you know, the flourishing of in-court cameras and things of that nature. And I think we, I think that court case in that entire situation and the lives loss was overall a tragedy, not just for him, but for the entire country. Race became a motivating factor to cover any new story. Race became the driving force for political movements. became everything whenever it was necessary.
Starting point is 00:02:50 It's interesting you talk about OJ and as I did at the beginning of the show, going from this guy who didn't want to be seen as primarily black. I don't think he had, I don't think he rejected his racial identity, but he didn't want to use it as his primary identity to then, through his court case, leaning into it for the benefits of victimhood. Instead of Nicole Brown Simpson or Ron Perlman being the victims in the case, it became O.J. Simpson, the victim of racism in the LAPD. And what's interesting about that is not so much O.J. Simpson because, you know, look, every human being is selfish to some degree. And if you're on trial for murder, you're going to play any card you can get to get off, right?
Starting point is 00:03:35 But what began with OJ began as societal really a Trump card in anything of a victimhood. And I know that's what you've written about. And look, I think psychologically, Adam, victimhood is a cancer. Like anybody that takes the pill or any community that takes the pill, you've begun your slow demise. You've begun your own death. But what we saw after OJ was it wasn't just the defendant that takes on the cloak of victimhood, but the community behind the whatever, the perpetrator or the center of the story. And so it wasn't so much, oh, Michael Brown's a victim. It's like Black America is the victim in every single one.
Starting point is 00:04:13 one of these stories. Right. And the one thing about the court case was that what they were trying to do was prove a conspiracy, right, or at least present reasonable doubt about his involvement because there potentially being some sort of conspiracy revolving around the LAPD. However, conspiracies don't work if there isn't a grain of truth. And that's the unfortunate part. There is a grain of truth as far as the unfair treatment that the LAPD showed towards black Americans within LA, right? And that led to all different types of reforms. I think there's an acknowledgement by the LAPD that there were things that they were doing that were wrong. But it's the exploitation of it, right? It's the exaggeration of it that becomes the conspiracy.
Starting point is 00:04:56 And that's what I think we saw from this particular court case was that, yes, you know, the Rodney King situation, should those cops have been found guilty? Many people say yes. And so that type of animosity that built from from that situation where they felt that justice wasn't served turned into animosity turned into a conspiracy turned into well every situation involving the lAPD must be corrupt rather than saying that there are corrupt aspects of the lAPD but it does not mean that o j simpson did not kill um Nicole brown simpson and um forgive me i forget um the other gentleman's name Ron Perlman. Ron Perlman. Right. Right. Promen. So, you know, I think that is, that's the problem that we're facing here.
Starting point is 00:05:44 We have a lot of conspiracy theorists who are exploiting real pain, real issues, real suffering, and exaggerating it and using it for their particular cause so they can avoid accountability. Well, and then what you see, and you fast forward 30 years, it's not just used in one court case, one court of law, but it becomes the same exact. narrative towards America, right? So is there a grain of truth? Yeah, there's more than a grain of truth that America has a really sorted history with race. But does that allow you to paint everything in America is systemically racist in every situation as the product of racism? And so we have gone from simply saying, you know, OJ is innocent because the LAPD, there's a kernel of truth that the LAPD is imperfect or exhibits racism, to we've gone to, you know, black victimhood in all situations because America is is systemically racist.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Right. That's the exaggeration piece. And when it comes to like a legit, I know we say conspiracy theorists for anything and everything these days, but when I mean it in a genuine sense of like paranoia, right, and that's what I see often. It's that leap to paranoia, that someone is always out to get us, right? And I'll speak for myself. You know, there was a period of time when it felt like, and this was years ago, but I remember hearing news story after news story of a black person shot by the police. And I remember I got pulled over around that time, and I remember shaking, even though I don't do drugs, I don't have any guns, I'm not doing anything illegal,
Starting point is 00:07:23 I probably was just speeding a little bit like most people do. But I remember shaking and why. And it's because the propaganda makes you paranoid. And that's what we really saw. And so that grain of truth just explodes into paranoia, and you end up living your life on the edge, worrying that you're going to be the next George Floyd, worrying that you're going to be the next victim of some sort of heinous act, when the reality is, it's extremely rare. And see, that's the other end of it. When we're so paranoid that we can't recognize the progress, then we live these miserable lives in America, not realizing how good things are. And I think for me, what I'm trying to point out for a lot of people, whether they're black, white, or any other race, is that life is difficult.
Starting point is 00:08:11 There are always going to be issues. There are always going to be problems. But what's amazing about our country is that there is grace. What is amazing about our country is that we have progressed. And I don't think we should ignore the progress. Just like focusing on the progress doesn't mean you ignore injustice, right? they're not mutually exclusive. So we should be able to talk about both.
Starting point is 00:08:33 If there is a legitimate situation where a black person is mistreated, then we can talk about that. We can talk about it in a rational way. But we can also acknowledge that life has gotten much better for people who look like me. Let's take a break right there. But we'll be back with the author of From Black Victim to Black Victor. Adam Coleman on The Will Kane Show. from the Jason and the House podcast.
Starting point is 00:09:01 Join me every Monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests. Listen and follow now at Fox Newspodcast.com or wherever you download podcasts. Welcome back to the Will Kane Show. We're talking to the author from Black Victim to Black Victor, Adam Coleman.
Starting point is 00:09:29 I want to get into your book in just a moment, Adam Coleman, the author of From Black Victim to Black Victor here on the Will Can Show, I need to make a quick correction. Just something when it came out of my mouth, and I realized it's come out of my mouth twice in the course of this show, said Ron Perlman. He's a far left actor. It's Ron Goldman, and my apologies for getting the second victim in the O.J. Simpson murder's name wrong. It's Ron Goldman. You know, again, I want to get into the substance of your book, which I find fascinating. I want to make two quick points. I want to get your reaction to it.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Just two things that are kind of on my mind. Sure. One of the things is whenever you have this conversation at him, I think that, and I, you know, I used to be on ESPN and I will say that I used to have a bigger audience of black listeners and I enjoyed that back and forth that I don't, you know, I know there are black people watching the Will Kane show and I know that because I hear from you. But even those more that disagreed with me is when I go down these conversations, I'm often met with why do you deny the existence of racism?
Starting point is 00:10:27 And that's not what I'm doing. Okay? So I want to make two statements or two observations and get your reaction. One is the constant perception, or as you described it, paranoia, that everything is racist, absolves people of their own personality. In other words, you know, you go through the world, right? And look, there are and there are polite people. There are people with bad personalities and people that are nice with good personalities.
Starting point is 00:10:55 And if everything about you that is met with negativity you think is because someone else's racism, then you never have to ask yourself, hey, wonder if I was being a from plight. You know, in other words, it just robs every single person of their own individuality. And trust me, you know, however many shades of skin color out there, there are way more versions of personalities, you know. So I just think it's kind of this like get out of jail free thing on your own personality, but that doesn't deny the existence of racism. And then there's this, Adam. Like, you know, my sons grew up in New York City playing soccer, and they were on a very diverse school and soccer program.
Starting point is 00:11:29 Like, when I say diverse, it actually wasn't diverse. That was a euphemism. It was overwhelmingly black. And my sons were the minority. And I saw a story. It was just last week. And there's a big soccer tournament every year for academy-level soccer players. And this kid that I care a lot about.
Starting point is 00:11:43 I've known him since he was a kid. Stories everywhere about New York Red Bulls players being racially abused on two separate occasions. For what it's worth, these were four. from other players, one from Monterey, a team from Monterey, another one from Croatia. And what the Red Bulls decided to do, Adam, was leave the tournament. They decided to leave the tournament. And this is a big thing in soccer. I don't know if you're a sports fan at all, but they're really trying to tackle racism.
Starting point is 00:12:07 And, you know, whether or not it's in the crowd or on the field, they're trying to tackle people. And I do wonder, I don't have an answer to this. Like, is walking away from these situations, dropping out of a tournament, does that actually end up solving what we would both acknowledge is a problem if these players are racially abused? That's a very good question. And just to let you know, I'm a huge soccer football fan. I watch it, and I've been to games out in Europe as well. So I'm very well aware, especially throughout Europe, the end racism campaign.
Starting point is 00:12:39 And I'm tied when it comes to this particular situation. Part of me says, I understand the need to protest, right, to say, you know what, this is not acceptable. but then part of me says that are we not being resilient because we're just withdrawing ourselves and saying, I don't know, I'm tied as well, because part of me wants to think that by staying in it doesn't necessarily mean you accept it, you can talk about it afterwards, but it means that you're willing to move forward and do things in spite of the existence of this happening. And, you know, I understand the importance of protest, but I'm not 100% sure that changes anything. I think showing that you're strong, showing that you're willing to deal with it and call it out, right?
Starting point is 00:13:33 I think to me that that says a lot about someone who's willing to go through that. And I've heard stories from black players who played in England decades ago, and they experienced racial abuse, and they don't deny it. right and a lot of people don't deny they say those are rough days in england but they still played they still play for their club and they did what they had to do and you know i think that's still possible for for you to accomplish i i don't think that keep playing means that you're okay with it i think there are ways to address it you know and move forward and i also look i love this kid i've known this kid like i love this kid and i hate that this happened to him you know I hate it happens to anybody, but I also then go, how do you make it stop?
Starting point is 00:14:22 And you're a soccer fan, you may be a sports friend at large, I'm a sports fan. You know what an opponent's going to do? Anything they can to take you out of your game. And, you know, what's set on an American football field, I'm sure it would abhor the sensibilities of any, you know, average American. Now, do those players mean it or not? I don't know. That doesn't make it right or wrong.
Starting point is 00:14:43 But I do probably suspect the motivation is, I'm going to try to get under his skin. I'm going to try to throw him off his game. And if he walks off the field, all the better. So in the purpose of trying to actually solve it so this doesn't happen again, I'm not sure a protest of walking away is a step forward. It's like FIFA. I did this on the show a few weeks ago, getting mad at the Mexican fans for yelling
Starting point is 00:15:08 what they call a homophobic slur. You know what I'm talking about that happens every time Mexico plays. You can give as many public announcements as you want and stop the game. you're not going to stop them by reprimanding them in the middle of a game. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:22 And that's exactly it. And especially when you have a stadium film with tens of thousands of people and one person says something and a goalkeeper overhears it or one of the players overhears it. And that means that the entirety of it is guilty.
Starting point is 00:15:39 You know, and also the other part of it is while I understand wanting to bring it, up when it does happen, and we talked about competitive edge, isn't there a competitive edge for exploiting a hyper-sensitive environment, right? Because all you have to do is say that it happened. I mean... Right. Oh, right. Is anybody, like, let's say, for example, I'm a player, and I say that I heard racial abuse, and they can go and listen to the tapes and listen back to the microphones and everything, and they don't hear anything. Are they going to be willing enough to say publicly that Adam is lying. No, but I could still possibly get this team in
Starting point is 00:16:19 trouble. I can make this team worry about saying something to me next time, right? So there's a competitive edge as well in the exploitation of this particular issue as well. All right, let's go back to the book now, Black Victims to Black Victors. Again, author Adam Coleman here on The Will Kane Show, you go through a lot of different concepts in the book that I think are fascinating on how to how to, how to, how to, make that journey in the black community, from victimhood to Victor. Let's talk about a couple of them. So I don't even understand, Adam, why this one becomes controversial. Old colleague of mine, Stephen A. Smith at ESPN, seems to think this is controversial. We see the stats on fatherlessness
Starting point is 00:16:58 and masculinity. I mean, we've also seen the societal or the social experiments on what happens when you have a home. And again, I think what happens is people have a hard time reconciling broad statistics with anecdotal exceptions. So you know someone that grew up without a father, and he's a great guy. That's great. That's awesome. But broadly, societally, if you have a community that doesn't have fathers, and what is it, Adams, is it 75% of black households have a father who's not present? That's a recipe for a problem. I think so. I was close to that. Yeah, you do have a problem. And the one thing that, listen, I detail in the book, I grew up without my father. I did I didn't go to jail. I don't have a criminal history. I never got into drugs or anything like that, right? But it does not mean that I would advocate for someone to grow up without a father, even though I turned out okay. Let's take a break right there, but we'll be back with the author of From Black Victim to Black Victim. Adam Colman on the will.
Starting point is 00:18:01 Fox News Audio presents unsolved with James Patterson. Every crime tells the story, but some stories are left unfinished. Somebody knows. Real cases, real people. Listen and follow now at Fox Truecrime.com. Welcome back to the Will Kane show. We're talking to the author from Black Victim to Black Victor. Adam Coleman. There's a lot of things that happen in between that you just don't see that happens in someone's lives. You know, I struggled with depression. I had thoughts of suicide multiple times from my life.
Starting point is 00:18:43 I've been homeless as a child and as an adult. Like, there are all these different struggles that happen, and a lot of it has to deal with the lack of male support. And I think that's, there's this great area that we're not acknowledging. It's either your father is there and everything is great, or, well, you know, your father wasn't there. So, but you turned out fine, and they just kind of keep it moving. There's just so much that's in between.
Starting point is 00:19:11 And not all of us go to jail, not all of us are doing drugs, not all of us are shooting people in the streets, right? Some of us really do struggle. Some of us take our own lives, not someone else's life. And I think these people matter who are like myself, because I'm just a couple of moments from doing that years ago. And I think this is the root of the problem.
Starting point is 00:19:32 When we talk about people who end up in jail who are doing drugs, we're talking about the extremes. And it's like anything else, When you increase a population of people who are at high risk, then you increase the extremes of the high risk population. That is what you're seeing. And on the flip side, part of the reason I wanted to talk about single parenthood is because really it's a commonality as an American problem, not just a black problem. So it's the canary in the coal mine for black Americans, but it's the entire situation when it comes. to Americans, no matter what they look like. Nearly a quarter of children are growing up
Starting point is 00:20:13 in separate homes in the United States from their parents. That is an American tragedy that's happening. And it's not just a black face. It is a white face also. It is a Hispanic face also. And while there's a disproportionate amount of black Americans who are growing up in separate homes from their parents, there are more white Americans who are growing up in separate homes from their parents, the black Americans. So the impact is there. More sheer numbers, but not more per capita, not more per population, to your point on disproportionate.
Starting point is 00:20:44 Exactly. Yeah. Yep, you're exactly right. And when I talk about these things, let me tell you, overwhelmingly, the people who reach out to me and say, that's my story, do not look like me, right? And these are, for many white Americans,
Starting point is 00:20:57 their story is being pushed under the rug because everybody wants to talk about our mess. When it really, it's an American mess. We have an entire country we have to fix. Yeah, you're talking about the fundamental societal building block, regardless of race, which is the family. When you get into these conversations, Adam, where you and I to have more disagreement or, you know, somebody who advocates black or white for the existence of systemic racism, any of the problems that we'd be addressing, right? Fatherlessness, family structure, community, what would happen is the conversation, would start going backwards.
Starting point is 00:21:36 So instead of going forwards and looking solution-oriented or looking for a victor, what would happen would be, well, why is it? There are so many black fatherless families. And it would point to, you know, America's war on drugs
Starting point is 00:21:48 or the increasing prison population and then go back to systemic racism, you know, or, you know, if we were talking about, you know, net worth, it would go back to redline laws and ability to build, ability to build family wealth through homeownership.
Starting point is 00:22:04 So what I'm getting at is, similar to where you were talking about with OJ, would there be a kernel of truth and all of those things? Yes, yes, there would. But does it extrapolate into this larger conversation that just centers itself and never moves on from victimhood versus here's where we sit in the present, how do we move to Victor? Yeah, there is a kernel of truth when it comes to all of that. However, just like my upbringing wasn't the best upbringing, I'm still responsible for my life. And I think when you become accountable, right, and just so people understand, when I talk about black victims, a black victor, we can say the black community. But really, I'm talking about myself as well, because there are moments in my life where I felt like the victim. I acted that way, and I struggled even more so because of that.
Starting point is 00:23:00 But then there were moments when I finally overcame that, right, when I pushed forward and I was able to succeed. And it's that, you know, the willingness to do things in spite of your circumstance. And when I hear someone harping on what happened hundreds of years ago and ignoring their actual responsibility for their behavior, their responsibility for their outcome, because I can talk about like, okay, I get it. you're right. These bad things happen, but you didn't help, right? And before we start looking and pointing at other people, we need to actually point at ourselves and see where could we have done something better in that situation? So the book is also talking about me. I started taking the position of no matter what I see, no matter what happens in my life, I ask myself, what could I have done better in that situation? If I got fired from a job, if I lost out an opportunity, what could I have
Starting point is 00:23:58 done better in that situation and that is something of strength let's take a break right there but we'll be back with the author of from black victim to black victor adam coltman on the will cane show this is jimmy phala inviting you to join me for fox across america where we'll discuss every single one of the democrats dumb ideas just kidding it's only a three-hour show listen live at noon eastern or get the podcast at fox across america dot com Welcome back to the Will Kane Show. We're talking to the author from Black Victim to Black Victor, Adam Coleman. Anybody that strives for success, okay, this thing happened.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Is it all my fault? No. You know, like circumstances or even victimhood. Maybe somebody did something that actually undercut me or hurt me, you know, career-wise or whatever it may be. But instead of sitting in that and wallowing in that, you have to move to, okay, but what could I have done better? How could I've seen it coming? How could I've responded? Because that's empowering.
Starting point is 00:25:07 That's like I'm looking down the road instead of stuck in place or looking backwards behind me down the road. You're exactly right. And that's what I was doing for much of my life. I was looking behind me, right? I was talking about I didn't have my father. And this is why it's like, okay, yes, I didn't have my father in my life. But you know what, now I am a father, right? And I have to look forward and raise my son to become a man.
Starting point is 00:25:33 And I first had to figure out what it was to be a man. How do you become a man? What is a man? And had to teach these things to my son. And that's how I was able to actually grow up in many ways and overcome these struggles, because I saw the importance of me getting my life together for my son and having it figured out for my son and sacrificing for my son. So, yeah, if you look in the past, you're not looking forward.
Starting point is 00:25:59 And in many ways, when we keep looking in the past, we're letting our children down as well. So what do you think is the role, or how do you explain Adam? Let's take this example of this case that I don't know. It feels like there's a concerted effort to turn it into, I don't think it will take off because the facts are so, I don't know. I have to acknowledge the limitation of my own understanding of the facts, but I've read the stories. always in these moments, you've got to say to yourself, let's let the facts emerge. But Dexter Reed, Chicago, Illinois, apparently a shootout with police. The allegations are now that he fired first.
Starting point is 00:26:34 He's pulled over. He has heavily tinted windows. He's wearing a ski mask. I think the pretext for the pullover is seatbelt. Legitimate question, how did the cops know he wasn't wearing a seatbelt if the windows were so tinted and couldn't see him? Regardless of the pretext of the pullover, apparently he shoots first. cops respond with multiple officers 96 total shots he's dead here's the headlines in the washington post CNN and other places you can take a look at some of the headlines this is washington post
Starting point is 00:27:00 police fire 96 shots in 41 seconds killing black man during traffic stop it's the same by the way adam at USA today and CNN you doesn't say anything about him firing first and it's almost like there's you know you and i are talking about how to personalize and understand your own place in your life but then there's like this ecosystem around it like what is what is going on? Like, what's going on with The Washington Post? What's going on with CNN? What's going on with the ecosystem that feeds this?
Starting point is 00:27:25 No, no, no. Look, victim. What's going on is that whether you like the story or hate the story, you're going to talk about them, right? And if they paint a certain picture that is false, the people who disagree with it are going to pay attention. And if they paint a picture that is misleadingly in favor of what you already believe, you're going to pay attention even more, too. So what we're finding is that we have a dishonest media environment where everybody just sets out their most extreme interpretation of what's going on to elicit an emotion
Starting point is 00:28:01 and your emotion is going to make you click on the link or tune into their TV show or listen to their podcast series. Like this is the environment that we're growing up in now. It is not the media environment of yesteryear. And honestly, and I say this as somebody who has an independent publication platform, we're seeing much of the same behavior coming from the independent outlets because many of them don't get corporate dollars. They need clickbait to survive, right? So everybody is being misled when it comes to the media.
Starting point is 00:28:35 And I say this as someone who's involved with the media these days, is that it is not a left-right thing when it comes to media manipulation. it is bipartisan, and there's an economic driver when it comes to this as well. So people have to discern the information that's coming through. Does this make sense? Go to multiple sources. And if you're someone who just says the Washington Post is, oh, well, they're definitely telling me the truth. Well, then you're going to easily be misled because you need to check the entire thing. And honestly, people just need to use common sense.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Where's the smell test, right? Where's the smell test when it comes to, do cops just? shoot someone 90 times, just because? No, they don't. Even if it's, they thought they saw a gun, there's usually some sort of pretext to an action. So what was the pretext? And if they withhold that the person shot at the police, assuming that this information is true, I'm not too familiar with this case, but assuming that information is true, well then, I don't know, my empathy for this person dying is not as strong as it would be if they were shot for no reason and we're unarmed. So I think people just need to be more mindful of the source of information
Starting point is 00:29:49 that you're taking in. Even if it tickles your bias, you need to start asking questions. Even more so if it tickles your bias. Let's take a break right there, but we'll be back with the author of From Black Victim to Black Victor. Adam Coleman on The Will Kane Show. Welcome back to the Will Kane Show. We're talking to the author from Black Victim to Black Victor, Adam Coleman. You know, I think you're absolutely right. And I've kind of been resistant to the clickbait thing in the past because it felt like too easy of an answer. And look, I'm in the media, you know, but I do think that it's becoming more obvious that that's the motivational pull behind.
Starting point is 00:30:39 And I think you're right, it's bipartisan behind a lot of the stuff that we're, we get. But I also like you saying, just use common sense. Then pass the smell test. We all live lives. Like, does that make sense that that's how something would go? But don't stop there, then investigate into both. Hey, where'd you grow up, Adam? We moved a lot. I was born in Detroit, but I've lived in four states before the age of 18. But I told people are from New Jersey. I've lived in Jersey for 20 plus years. Here's why I ask. One more on this idea of black victimhood to black victor. I saw this recently.
Starting point is 00:31:18 So I told you that, you know, my sons, and I'm happy to talk about, they went to Success Academy in Harlem, which is in New York City, which is a charter school, and it's overwhelmingly black. But especially in the world of soccer, the vast majority of people I were around
Starting point is 00:31:34 was African American. And when I say that, I mean, the parents were immigrants from Africa. I was watching a clip, I think, from Shannon Sharpe's podcast. He's a former player in the NFL. And I can't remember the comedian that he had on. But the comedian was going after the African-American community. And I'm saying it this way to distinguish black American from African-American.
Starting point is 00:31:57 And he was kind of talking about this divide, right, between the two communities. And I find it interesting. I find it interesting in so much as it sort of represents a code. cultural divide within black America. And so a lot of the things that you talk about in your book, you could argue are symptoms or problems that need to be resolved or moved beyond when it comes to black Americans that don't exist, perhaps, for immigrants from Africa. That is true. And to fill in, that was Godfrey, the comedian. Yeah. Yeah. You saw it too then. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think about that divide?
Starting point is 00:32:38 It's a fascinating divide. In the online world, there's the FBA, the foundational black Americans who tried to distinguish themselves from someone who might be Caribbean, from someone who might be from Africa. There is a very strange divide that happens there. I think there are certain black Americans, obviously not most, but I think there are certain black Americans who are envious. I there's no other way of kind of seeing it they are envious because they know we can talk about the stats of wealth progress opportunities from people who come to this country with basically nothing not even many times they come here without knowing the native language and excelling past you know if you were just saying this in terms of groups they're a group right excelling past black Americans statistically and I think there is a bit of envy when it comes to that, right? So the idea that there is this inherent racism that is happening present day, but yet it is not affecting them, right? It smacks them in the face because how is that the case, right? And that's when they go, well, historically, historically,
Starting point is 00:33:53 historically, but I don't know. You know, I get if you want to make sense sort of- There's also cultural differences as well, right? There's cultural differences, Adam, like, even within the home we're talking about like with the fatherhood it's it you know many african immigrant families are um intact family units um right and then i you know i mean i even wonder about look i think culture is important and i'm not rejecting rap i there's a lot of rap that i like and you know but like there's a lot of things that that in culture that like if you wake up everyday thinking negative thoughts and you're going to produce negative outcomes i'm a big believer in that right and so if you listen to music all day long that has negativity or paints and
Starting point is 00:34:33 negative picture or tells you certain things, I think you're going to manifest negativity. And so I just think there's some cultural divides there that is showing up beyond simply skin color. Yeah, absolutely. And listen, their third party situation, they're a third party actors. If we talk about the music industry, God knows how many third party non-black Americans who are involved in rap music who are pushing degenerate music and make money off of it. So it's not to say that, listen, there's no culpability.
Starting point is 00:35:03 for anybody else. But at the end of the day, we should be able to do in spite of. And I didn't grow up in a privileged life, and I was able to find some sort of way to do things in spite of my circumstance. And I think many Americans can do this, whether they're black or white, they just have to believe they're able to. And I think we need stronger mentors. We need stronger parents. We need more parental involvement. We need less of the courts getting involved in parents' lives. We need accountability to return. We need parents to have some balls in return. What's happening in the school systems and transing children, this is weak parents who are allowing it to happen. And as soon as I started seeing some of that strange stuff happening in my son's school, for one,
Starting point is 00:35:47 I educated him so he could let me know if this happens to let me know. And then I took him out of the school and I took control of his life and his education. And he's been happy since. So I think we need a return to, like you said, that culture. It's a culture of parenting that actually cares. It's a culture of parenting that says, I'm your parent, not your friend. And we have too many parents who want to be their children's friends. So I think there needs to be a lot of accountability, a lot of parents who do the hard work and make the hard decisions for the children, even if their children hate them at that moment,
Starting point is 00:36:22 they're doing it for the best of them because in the future, their kids are going to thank them. awesome stuff personal empowerment positive message from black victim to to black victor adam coleman uh it's not from it's just black victim to black victor you guys to check it out i mean amazing message and i appreciate you sharing it today here on the will cane show thank you i appreciate it all right again check him out adam coleman that's going to do it for us today as a reminder just check out from black victim to black victor with adam coleman we're going to continue to visit some of our greatest hits from 2024 tomorrow here on the world.
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