Will Cain Country - Another Text Message, Hunter?!

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

First, Will sounds off on another major revelation from the alleged text messages of Hunter Biden.   Akira the Don, musician, DJ, and creator of Meaningwave, joins Will to discuss how and why our society is experiencing a void of meaning, and how he makes music to inspire people to greatness. Plus, he explains what the genre of meaningwave is.   They also discuss how the failing systems within society have led to the destruction of meaning and beauty, and how to spot the villains who are bringing communities down today.   Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail]   Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If you'll allow me a little leeway, if you'll let me just stretch my legs. How about lo-fi hip-hop, wave music, and Jordan Peterson? It's the Will Kane podcast on Fox News Podcast. What's up? And welcome to Wednesday. As always, I hope you will download rate and review this. podcast wherever you get your audio entertainment at apple spotify or at fox news podcast you can watch the wilkame podcast on rumble or on youtube today an absolute fascinating conversation if you will

trust that comes a bit out of left field with the musician the dj akira the don but first quote, the Bidens are the best I know at doing exactly what the chairman wants from this partnership. In a WhatsApp message dated August 3rd, 2017, Hunter Biden, according to the House Oversight Committee, messaged a C-E-F-C, Chinese Energy Corporation, connected to the Chinese Communist Party, associate Gong Wendong, A.K.A. Kevin. He messaged Kevin, linked to the CCP,

that the Bidens are the best at doing exactly what the chairman wants from this partnership. Just last week, ground-baking revelation of a WhatsApp message from Hunter Biden to another C-EFC executive, threatening that not only Hunter Biden's ability to hold a long-term grudge, but all the power of the man sitting next to him would rain down upon the

CEFC executive, the recipient of that WhatsApp message if Hunter did not get a call immediately. And by immediately he meant tonight. Hunter said he was waiting by the phone along with his father. We know that within

days Some $5 to $10 million in payments were made to Hunter Biden from CEFC. Now, according to the House Oversight Committee, a week after that threat, Hunter Biden once again messaged another CEFC executive. This time, in a long bullet-pointed WhatsApp message to Kevin, Hunter Biden said, amongst other things, we're all saying the same thing, I hope. And I quote, please, let's put this to bed tonight and sign officially tomorrow, parentheses, or any time late tonight as you want, and get to work. I'm tired of this, Kevin.

I can make $5 million in salary at any law firm in America. If you think it's about the money, it's not. The Bidens are the best I know at doing exactly what the chairman wants from this partnership. Please, let's not quibble over peanuts. First, I'm absolutely sure that it's true that Hunter Biden could get a $5 million salary at any law firm he wants in America. Not because of his sterling reputation as a trial attorney, nor as a rainmaker in any particular firm. At least a rainmaker who made his bones on smoking crack and sleeping with hookers and taking pictures of his dong and posting them all over his, at least, private server, saving him on his laptop. Now, I'll grant you, that might be the resume of many a $5 million rainmaker within the legal community.

But Hunter Biden had never been any type of legal stalwart. Hunter Biden had been an influence peddling bribery artist who traded on his family name. I think it's absolutely true. Bravo, Hunter. You could have gotten that $5 million to do the same thing right here at home. Legally, not registered, not needing to register as a foreign agent by just simply playing the K Street lobbying game. of selling out America domestically. But you went for the big leagues, and you went for the big bucks.

And not only did you trade on your last name, not only did you use nepotism to go big or go home, by selling out America's interest to places like Ukraine in China, you clearly, through your messaging, involved your father. You didn't simply use the last name you were given. You used the father that gave you that last name and his power. once as vice president, once a senator, and now as president, to rake in those sweet, sweet millions. I also think it's interesting secondarily in this note that Hunter Biden says the Bidens are the best at doing exactly what the chairman wants from this partnership. The implication being something that we all know, Washington, D.C. is corrupt.

The implication being, there are others selling out America. to our global adversaries for those sweet, sweet millions. It just so happens to be they're not as good at it as the Bidens. Is it going to be a bombshell? Am I going to be shocked tomorrow to find out other politicians, Democrat or Republican, have sold out American interest to interests in Russia or Ukraine or China? Or hell not even just Cold War adversaries, but countries who are supposed allies. Would I be shocked tomorrow to learn that there are others who are in this dirty game?

I would not. But I would also probably at this point believe that Hunter is right once again, that the Bidens are the best at a game that's become all too common in Washington, D.C. But thirdly and most importantly, what exactly are they the best at delivering exactly what is expected from this partnership to the chairman? that is the implication of quid pro quo that these millions are coming in for something that includes as we know joe what are these chinese interests buying in washington dc what are these chinese interests getting from the former vice president from the former senator what are these interests getting today

from the sitting president. What exactly are they best at, the Bidens, in delivering exactly what's expected from this partnership to the chairman? Today on the Will Kane podcast, Akira the Don, he's a DJ and musician who specializes in a form of music called Meaning Wave. It's described as a fusion of wave music with meaningful lyrical content and lofi hip-hop. It uses speeches, podcast appearances from people like David Gagins or Jocco Willenick or Jordan Peterson and integrates it within upbeat music to deliver a promising message to deliver value, caloric intake for your soul and your mind, to deliver meaning. I knew when I would sit down with Akira the Don today that we would have some conversation about what that meant, meaning wave, maybe.

even larger meaning, but I didn't, you know, the conversation would go so deep into art, into purpose, into our culture, into positivity, into a living, a world, not just with our nutrition, but our soul, where we find value. I loved this conversation. I think you will, too. I didn't expect it, but I absolutely loved it. And I've been turned into a fan of Akira the Dawn. Akira the Dawn, man.

It's great to meet you. One of my producers, Patrick, is a big. fan and so i'm glad to sit here today meet you and learn from you and i think let's start with so that i can learn what is meaning wave well first off shouts out to patrick you bad mamma jammer uh meaning wave is the music i make it's a thing i've developed it's a style i've developed uh and could be described as a psychotechnology it's basically a way of imbueing the wisdom of the ages via the most powerful delivery mechanism known to man

which is music so wonderful explanation to explain it a little bit or I've taken things like philosophical speeches by people like Alan Watts Jordan Peterson Terrence McKenna David Goggins is he philosophical yes he is

Jock O'Willink living people like that and then I've also taken things like meditations by Marcus Aurelius turn that into an album so on and so forth, so that you, you know, to make it easier for the individual to imbue the wisdom necessary to navigate this most interesting and epic junction in the human story. Yeah, so what inspired you to make music like this, to make music with meaning? Well, I always have, ever since I first experimented with, like, sampling little bits of

news broadcasts and chopping them up with tapes when I was like seven or something. and I used to make rap records and one of the thing I really liked about rap records and it wasn't just rap records because I remember early Morrissey albums had this and Manick Street Preachers albums you'd have these skits so you'd have like a sample of a bit of a JFK speech

or a Martin Luther King speech or something like that to set the tone of the song and when I was making my initial mixtapes I started thinking well what if I did a whole song that was like a skit what if the whole song was recording a speech chopping it up, finding the rhythm within it. And that's the song.

I don't even have to rap on this particular record. Yeah, it kind of developed from there. Yeah, I remember, I can't think off the top of my head, but whether or not it's been rap or pop music in general, I mean, I have obviously throughout my life encountered this style that you're talking about, but it's only been in bits and pieces or as an introduction to song, where you've made it the central component of the song, speeches and your estimation philosophical, contemporaries.

Well, you said Marcus Aurelius as well, but mostly contemporary philosophers and making that the entire song. How do you choose who you feature in these songs? It's basically what I want to learn or embody or in view is how it started. I was like, there are certain things I need to apply to my life. I'm a father now. I need to be a lot more disciplined. I need to stop messing around. da-da-da-da-da-da. And I started imbueing things that I wish to learn. And that's how it started.

And as it's progressed, I've essentially worked out a sort of grand narrative. And each thing builds upon the previous thing that, you know, and will grow in that fashion. It's something of a university of knowledge acquisition. Because certain things build on other concepts, you know. Yeah. Yeah. No, I've, I've, uh, since the recommendation from Patrick, I've gotten to know some of your music and you do you do feature uh jocco willnick david guggins um and jordan peterson and you have given i think you have been the one to give definition to this new style and calling it meaning wave why um why did you choose that description or that definition how did you choose the word meaning as as sort of the differentiating factor of your music meaning was the thing that united everything

Because sonically, it's a billion different style, some record, depending on what the song is. It's not, you know, usually a music will be defined by its overall sonic cohesion. So it would be, this is punk rock because it has fast, spiky guitars and, you know, a certain kind of abrasive quality, usually about three chords, right? This is new wave because of these things it contains. Whereas the music I make, it depending on the song, it could embody aspects of any genre. So sonically, it will, it can sound very, very different. but the thing that unites it is meaning. Meaning is the core unification metric.

As measured by theme, I mean, thematically is what you're talking about, while the music itself varies. Yeah, as measured by the content of what is delivered vocally. Right. I would say. That's what unites it all. There is meaning, and you know, you choose your own meaning. You could have ascribe great meaning to a song about, you know, getting very jiggy in

the club in 1996, that could be very, very meaningful to you. So meaning is in the eye of the beholder. Meaning is in the eye of the beholder, but though there's something objective as well about this. You said, by the way, you said something about your music meeting this moment in time. There is something objective about that, and I've said this on this podcast in the past, and it's something that I certainly believe, that meaning itself is something that is missing from many individuals and perhaps from society at large. And for whatever reason that may be, there's been studies on the decline of religion, and people will search for meaning. They will search for depth.

They will search for a reason to be alive. And for some, that's become politics. For some, that's become sort of the virtue signaling of woke culture. For others, it is, it is, as you mentioned for you, at least in these songs, things like discipline and virtue in terms of true eternal philosophical principles. But you seem to have met a moment. I do feel like we are in a dearth, or a society-wide, a society-wide dehydration, you know, a thirst for meaning. Yeah, yeah, very much. Well, with regards to where people previously, you know, you would all gather on a Sunday, you would go to church together.

You had all these various things that glued the society together, which have been napal. over the past however many decades for whatever reason and then the things that people have looked to they've looked out to culture they've looked to music movies things of that nature those things have also simultaneously been they've had those things leached out of them and what you left is these weird husks what you have in contemporary pop music is nothing but the experience of the horny teenager what you have in contemporary television and movies is nothing but the wished-for experience of the sort of los angeles culture warriors a creature. I wouldn't even say warrior. They're not very fierce. But you don't have anything real that relates to the real lives of individual human beings other than the horny teenager. The horny teenager has got a lot to listen to. But the problem with the horny teenager having all that to listen to, it's not what the horny teenager needs anyway. You know, the horny teenager does not need all of those base instincts and desires just sort of feeding and backing up and putting on a pedestal and saying, yes, that will

be the some existence of your being forever. And then you'll end up like Seth, whatever is, that guy, 50-something-year-old actor, fat fellow who sort of rolls around smoking joints on Saturday morning and says that's much better than having children. That guy. And all those people, those people are like, yeah, having kids is stupid. I like rolling around smoking joints and watching cartoons in my 50s. Well, then saying that, I found out that guy was like my age. I thought he was at least a decade older. But either way, yes, people are lacking meaning and whether that's a deliberate imagination of swine or whether that's just a outcome of what's happened in our society over the past couple decades. That is where we are. I'm sort of, I'm not, I don't, Akira,

consider myself some kind of musical expert by any stretch of the imagination. I think if you measured my pop culture bona fides, music would come near, it'd come way below movies and certainly below sports. So if I get this wrong for those listening on podcast and not those watching on YouTube, I believe that you're wearing a pink Floyd shirt. I'm fairly sure you're wearing a pink Floyd shirt. It's got a meaning wave logo. So it's a kind of riff.

It's a riff on the pink Floyd dark side of the main thing. But instead of that traditional triangle, it's the meaning wave wave thing. So yeah, that's what that is. Okay, but okay, so that's exactly, that's perfect. Well, first of all, why did you choose, I'm assuming you had some role in the design of that t-shirt since you're sort of the lead figure of Meaning Wave. Why did you choose to rip off of Pink Floyd? Well, there's multiple reasons, but one was this dark side of the wave idea.

But one thing is, and it's interesting how something like Pink Floyd could not exist in this moment. Well, it could not exist and be sort of platformed in the way that it was. The music that's going to get distributed that's going to get shown to the most amount of people now has gone through so many. levels of filtering to make sure that it's going to lowest common denominator work. It's the same reason you can't get a Marvel movie. There's above a 6.5. It will get focus grouped out of any kind of greatness. Imagine putting the Godfather in front of a focus group.

They say, well, that's too long. We need to get rid of that thing there and so on and so forth. So we have this thing that's going on in culture currently where a huge amount of it is nostalgia. Even what they're doing, you know, you look at, say, the most successful. successful Disney movie of the past five years or something, is that Spider-Man one, which was also Sony, I understand. But that was sold on pure nostalgia. That was sold on bringing back previous Spider-Men.

That was this whole sort of nostalgia thing. So much of our culture is nostalgia and people looking back to this supposed golden time before now. There's this idea that posts the Internet, everything became a remix of that which came before, and nothing new was created. Now, personally, I'm creating something new that didn't exist before. However, always you're going to be referencing a building upon what went before.

And you should be reverential to that. You should respect it. You should understand it. You should be grateful to it. And that's in everything in our lives. We look around as people are constantly being and complaining. But what we live in is a miracle, an utter miracle that was put together with just unimaginable pain and suffering over thousands of years so that we could. be here at this moment.

So that's probably what it's saying. That is beautiful. You know, laugh at your own. I know the tendency to laugh at your own profundity. But that was really profound, man. You don't have to apologize for it. And I don't presume that you are. But hey, doesn't it, and this is a total aside,

I loved what you just had to say about this moment that we live in. Whatever that moment may be, that it stands on the shoulders of those that came before in these great leaps in humanity, often seen, sometimes seen through human accomplishment, business, architecture, but often in art, are great leaps forward. And it just doesn't it make you irate to see some young kid? Right now, they seem to be primarily in Europe, but not exclusively in Europe, who feel like the destruction of man's greatest works is the best way to get their message across. I'm talking specifically about like these climate activist kids who think we're on the

moment of apocalypse. And their answer to that is to destroy Van Gogh. Their answer to that is to go find something at the height of human. achievement. These are some of the greatest works man has produced, and their answer to being on our deathbed is to destroy our best. Yeah, which makes sense, right? I mean, it does make sense if you think about it from their predicament. What they've been told, the siop that has been placed upon them, when they exist, at the moment of human history, at which more individuals than ever previously possible have the opportunity to exist outside of a state of

mere survival, right? There is literally never been a better time in some ways of considering to be a human being. You have electricity. You have the food you need. You do not have to be worrying about people attacking you and dragging you out of your house and setting fire to your parents and what have you, for the most part. But yet, at a time when people should be most grateful, most happy, they're most productive, going after their dreams, which their grandparents did not have the opportunity to do because my grandfather was in two concentration camps he was taken by the russians and then the germans came and took over his town and took him to germany and put him in a camp there that's not long ago you know but these poor little buggers have been brainwashed into thinking

that they are at the edge of the apocalypse and everything's falling apart it is the fault of a certain kind of person uh that there is no such thing as greatness there is no such thing as sort of individual achievement things that it's we're living in atlas shrugged essentially. And we must be constantly wondering who and where is John Gull. And so I don't, anyway, I don't curse these children. I feel bad for them. They've been sipped. I have the members of them and my family. You know, it's a difficult thing to deal with when you see people have become just adherence of a cult, of a nightmare, apocalyptic cult, which robs them of the existence, the ability to exist in this moment, which is what everyone should be doing.

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But I think there's another factor at play. And I'm going to lead this into a question to you. I think the other factor at play is that we are the spoiled children of accomplishment. We are the spoiled children of prosperity. And we sit at this moment in time looking for something to wring our hands about. Now, there are real problems, and I don't mean to dismiss them. And I talk about them all the time. But we do as individuals, and then largely as a society, then sit there and go, and this is, this ties in directly to you, what gives me meaning? What is my struggle? And in, and in that vacuum, we create it. We will create our struggle. We will create our vacuum. I think that's part of the genesis of wokeism. Like, I need to have my own civil rights moment. I need to have my generational challenge. And I watched you on an interview, Akira, who you talked about living in Mexico, and we can get into

later why you live in Mexico. But you were talking about living in Mexico, and you said it's so different, it's such a happy life compared to when you lived in L.A. And that none of this culture war stuff existed in Mexico. And I was listening to you talk about that, and I thought, look, Mexico has a high disparity, some rich, some poor. So who knows the community where you live. But they don't live in this luxurious moment, largely in this luxurious moment where they have to manufacture their problems. And I wonder if that is tied in some way, where you say, you know, in Mexico, I'm not dealing with this day-to-day culture war stuff. And here, in America, largely, you know, devoid of meaning and striving for the human

need to struggle against something, we're creating our own culture wars. The devil will find work for idle hands to do. The world will ask you who you are, and if you do not know, it will tell you. Right. So if you're out there and you've not worked out who you are and what you are and what you believe and what your values are and all of those things, if you're. They will be, some will be foisted upon you and you will become the servant of someone else's agenda. And that's a big part is what we're seeing.

When we're seeing people who have not taken the time for whatever reason to work out who they truly are, what they truly believe, what their values are, what they're here for, what their role is, and everyone has one. So they become the tools of someone else's. And there are a couple, you know, there are various memetic mind viruses sort of, you know, tearing through. society currently and people become victim of these things because they've not yet solidified their own uh you know you can turn yourself into uh you know a mexu i think i think in some ways you know you sort of you tool your body you tool your mind you'll turn yourself into a precision instrument some kind of like japanese anime mexu and then you hand that over to god and god drives and that's how you create great things in this world but if you do not do that willingly then

the sort of chaotic, flabby, skinny, messy, unorganized vessel that is your being gets inhabited by essentially demons and those run amok in the world and cause huge amounts of problems. And that's part of what we see. So if going back to what you were saying with regards to say cultural disparities, if you still have more survival things to be dealing with, and if you have family structures and religion of things of that nature that have directed you to know your place in the world and to, you know, keep control of your mind to a certain degree and have something to do and what have you, then you are less likely to be a vessel for what you could call demons.

You know, if you've had what you've had in the West, what we've had in the West is we've had all of our structures blown up and removed to a degree, right? So religion is gone and all the ideas of what you thought your place in society was as a man or a woman or a boy or a child or whatever it was, those things have all been nuked. Even a 50-year-old man is, now he's like, oh, am I supposed to be rolling around in bed watching cartoons, or am I supposed to be, what am I supposed to be doing? You know, it used to be, you would watch Star Wars, you would look at Lou Skywalker and go, okay, I'm this age, I'm supposed to go on an adventure and take responsibility. Now I'm supposed to be the guy teaching the

child or whatever it is. People in the West now are completely muddled. They don't know what they're supposed to be doing. Therefore, their vessels are open to be overtaken by whatever pernicious ideas happen to be floating around at the time. And follow up there, you said, moment ago you described it as demons follow up what do you mean by demons yeah but what do you I think it's a way to I think it's a way to get it that's a term that we'll get people's attention I say I think it's accurate but but but put some flesh on the bone of demons well you said what is a demon it's a spirit what what does the spirit embody it tends to embody's wickedness murder chaos horror all all the things destructive to the human being and the human

family. If that thing has some kind of a form that can traverse through society and pick up shape, we would start to see it. I mean, it would look demonic. You know, it would actually look. Like if you look of a picture of a demon, you see what they look like. And you're now starting to see visually demonic aesthetic. A demonic aesthetic. If you watch the Grammys, if you watch any of these sort of like big corporate things, you will see a demonic aesthetic, aside from the demonic activities wrought in society, whether it's violence, carnage, destruction, the hatred of beauty, the destruction of greatness, the destruction of art, so on and so forth. So whether you believe it to be literally demonic or you want to use that as a metaphor to describe what is happening,

both work perfectly. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely amazing. I was in the car with my wife the other day, and we were talking about these movements in American society. And you always, you know, again, on a different interview I saw you had with Jordan Peterson and he's talking about the hatred he receives online. And you made the point that whatever we see online, we always need to remind ourselves

as such a small sliver of our world. And I think that's true. But for a lot of what we see online, we began to see it metastasize into society. And my wife and I were talking about this. I'll tell you specifically in the audience. My wife, the other day, he goes, have you heard of a map? and I'm like, yeah, we're not talking about geography, a minor attracted person. You know, I'm in the world of politics and engulfed in the culture wars.

I thought it was male adult paedophile. I think it's a, I think it's... That's interesting, it's both. Well, you know what? I bet they've softened it. I bet it's that they've now softened it to a minor attracted. Yeah, very funny. I think mine is the, you know, the anesthetized version of it, which is always the course of

things to make it sound as innocuous as possible, right? And she had just, it just come across her landscape. And I said to her, yeah, I mean, you know, is that going to be what's next? It's hard to argue that it's not the next thing. And isn't it interesting, I said to her, as we step towards this, we'll call it demonic or increasingly sinful, increasingly evil acceptance, it comes in the form. Isn't it interesting how it always comes in the form of virtue? It comes in the form of empathy and tolerance. And, you know, you are being the better person by being accepting of whatever.

is next. Right now, we're standing on the debate of what we're going to allow to happen to children, right? Meaning, you know, chemical crustacean or whatever it may be. But when the next step comes, and we will have the debate over maps, that debate will come, mark it down. It will come in the form of empathy and tolerance. And those that oppose it will be painted as the intolerant. Now, that's not on the outset the demonic vision you just, or picture you just painted, but make no mistake, that picture is underneath the mask. It's underneath the mask of tolerance. That's a big part of it. Oh, yeah, of course. Every awful, horrendous thing was done by people completely convinced of their rightness. Yes. And those convinced of their

rightness will do the worst things. Those most convinced of their rightness will do the worst things imaginable. Only those people. And that's why you have to really worry. What was Alan Watts says something of when he hears, when he hears people being virtuously, what's he say, bar my door and buy a gun, because I know the worst kind of hypocrisy is about to be unleashed. And it is very much the case, and we've always seen this. Every, every despicable act we know historically was convinced by, was committed by a people convinced that they were the goody goodies. It's the goody goodies that you really want to worry about. People most convinced of their goody-goodiness will do the most horrible things. How do you balance that against

what we were just talking about a moment ago, that these demonic forces, which I think are in many ways human instincts in the beginning, base level instincts that we use various mechanisms to overcome. We use principles and virtue to overcome these instincts. So how do we hold tight to true objective virtue versus those that are doing what we just described under the banner of virtue? How do we distinguish those two things? It's pretty easy to distinguish them unless you've been corrupted and you're now blind. But one thing we can do is refer to our past because people work this stuff out. It's so many things that people are arguing about now, which are so utterly ridiculous, are things that we worked out a long, excuse me, a very long time ago,

right? And to come to this point where we're debating stuff that literally children thousands of years ago understood is a great disservice to us as a people, it's a waste of time of the minds of some of our greatest individuals who should be focusing on other things. Like the amount of wasted brainpower from our great living individuals over the past decade or so, arguing about nonsense things which we understood for thousands of thousands of years. It's ridiculous. Anyway, so we can look at, this is why they wish to destroy the past, and they wish to tear down the monuments and burn the libraries and get rid of classical writings from schools and things,

because they all tell the truth of us as a people. And the only things that will say what these, new weirdo social engineers which wish to be said the only place you can read things like that is coming out of the mouths of comic book supervillains in six in the 60s it's coming out of the mouth it's all every one of these monologues that comes from these self-enointed uh warriors of virtue in the contemporary world they all sound like super villains from every comic from every story they sound like the villains of the past and that's how you shall know them so you know that's how you do you just look to our classical literature you look to what we're already

What we already understood, if you don't like a certain kind of religion, if you go looking around enough religions, you'll find they have enough things in common. And those that they have in common are our virtues as a people usually. Well, always, in fact. Really? So not too hard. The main thing is one needs to be brave. What we're suffering from here is the, you know, the opposite of bravery is not cowardice, is conformity. And that is the issue we have is people are afraid.

to stand out. They're afraid to get kicked out of the village and they're not saying what they believe. Those that would usher usher us into hell are a tiny, tiny minority of weak creatures that really should not be feared by anyone, should perhaps be pitied.

But there's certainly nothing to be feared. So I would say that's the main thing, is people read some old stuff, watch some old movies, and don't be scared of them. these weirdos because they're creepy weirdos and they're weak and they're not to be scared of. We're going to step aside here for a moment. Stay tuned. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy host of the Trey Gowdy podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and

Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side. Listen and follow now at foxnewspodcast.com. Damn, man, that was really good. That was really good. Uh, yeah. In a battle between two sides, both claiming the banner of virtue, one of the things you can use to distinguish and find true virtue, you're saying, is to look to the past. There have been thousands of years, millennia of human existence that have been working out these problems, you're saying, and we can rely on that trial and error. We can rely on that wisdom, and that is exactly why that past is under the gun, why that past is trying to be destroyed, so we can no longer distinguish what is true virtue. I love that answer. Okay, I want to stick with something else.

Let's go back to Mexico for a moment, because this is going to pick up on you saying that, tiny minority. Do you think you lived in Los Angeles, you're from England, do you think that my explanation for the difference of why you live this happy life in Mexico is because people are preoccupied with true purpose, like survivability, getting through their day, not these manufactured fights of those who live a life of luxury can afford to create? Do you think that's the explanation? Or do you think it is that you live in a community? And when you live in a community, when you live in a community, you have, I was going to say, when you live in a community, you have real human connection and you know each other. And, and, you know, there are people in America that live in real communities with their neighbors and their political beliefs are not at the top of their, they're not the primary thing they use to differentiate themselves from one another, you know, nor their race or whatever it may be. They look at each other as true human beings. Do you think the difference is what I described earlier, or it's just community? Here it's very hard to hate the patriarchy when your dad's around and your grandfather is around and your brothers are around and the people who, you know, your whole family is all still together and everyone has their prescribed roles and works within them and that creates harmony and you all love each other and respect each other and hang out with each other at barbecues on Sundays and work with each other and go to gym with each other and so on and so forth.

if your family has been smashed into tiny pieces and everyone's all over the place and you don't know your dad or what have you it's a lot easier to believe things like that yeah so there's that aspect of it it seems so silly to so many people I know over here and I know people wealthy and not wealthy and they live right next to each other

and work with each other and what have you and here I'm in the Yucatan but they aren't concerned with that stuff but a difference is they're not under attack in the same way that the West is under attack. I mean, I remember when this stuff, I'm old enough to remember 2012

when I'd be wandering around Los Angeles hanging out with skate kids of every ethnicity or all hanging out together who used to laugh at the idea of racism. They would say things like, yeah, racism's gay,

that shit, our parents, our grandparents used to worry about. We don't have that stuff now. And then 2013 happened. And we would dragged into some horrific alternate universe where the least important parts of our being were made the most important and made the thing that everybody talked about. We had moved past that to a great degree.

Certainly, the younger generations had. So that was a thing that was done. It was a thing that was done by a combination of events, media, attention, obsession. You know, there isn't currently happening. happening here. They think that Mexico is a third world country and it doesn't need, you know, destroying or something, perhaps. I don't know. But the West is under a kind of attack, whether it is deliberate, whether it is memetic. I am not here to discuss that, but I can see the effects, very obviously. And the effects are in under a decade, we switched all of our prox, so-called progress, got destroyed. And we got put into a very ugly, stupid place. I should say for the record, and I don't need to belabor it unless you want to, because I'm finding other aspects of this conversation so fascinating.

But you're in Mexico because you couldn't return to the United States, because you and your family are not vaccinated, and we still have one of the most aggressive laws on the planet about entering the United States unless you're an American citizen and not being vaccinated. Hey, real quick, though, to stay on my curiosity of the through line of our conversation, I was just in here thinking while you talked. and I've been in the news business, what are you marking in 2013? I was just trying, is this, is this the beginning of the Trayvon Martin race debate in America? What are you marking changed in 2013?

You know, I think the Mayans were correct. You know, it was all 2012, oh, 2012, the world is going to end, or the world is going to change, right? It's going to be new at all this stuff. And it was. I remember observing it culturally, what you would now, people now call woke or whatever it is. I remember observing that appearing in the comic book industry in late 2012. And suddenly story was starting to be less important than race and gender swapping certain characters and having certain kind of representation or what have you being the main concern.

And then they started doing that with the artists and stuff. And then people who didn't have the right politics were suddenly being removed from the industry and so on and so forth. And that started spreading everywhere. At the same time, you had these various events in the USA where suddenly we were having race riots again. Yes. I don't remember the exact time. You mentioned. Yeah, Ferguson, Missouri.

I don't remember the exact time, but it's roughly. Yeah. Yeah, it's late 2012, early 2013, all these things suddenly start happening. And then all these conversations start getting exaggerated and all these various si-ups start appearing. And then you have all these hundreds and thousands of fake incidents of people, graffitiing, offensive symbols and things of that nature that turned out to be being done by the people who wanted that stuff to appear to be the case. We've had nearly a decade now of this sort of adjut prop stuff. And we see where we are. It's all these things I remember in 2016, 2017.

People were saying, oh, that's stuff that's happening on campus. That's kids. It doesn't matter. that's now HR departments all over the West. It happens so fast. And so many people are, oh, this doesn't matter. This isn't important. This is just some weirdos online, or this is just some weirdos in universities.

But it is now in every aspect of society that happens very fast. What's cool about how fast it happened is how fast it could unhappen. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, what goes up must come down. what's flash in the pan usually flashes out just as much as it flashes up um hey were you always was your was your mindset always like this um i mean we talked about some of the guys that you you have in your songs jaco david guggins jordan peterson those guys have really skyrocketed in

the past um five is too short 10 feels like it's too long so somewhere around this last seven eight years where they've really skyrocketed in um in recognition within pop culture does your own timeline and your own thought process kind of coincide with their rise were you thinking this way before like how did you begin to think in this direction of where you see meaning i have not changed a great deal you probably hear this from a lot of people who are like i have not changed much but the world is kind of the overton window has shifted that way or what have you you know i was like i was always a rugged individualist and um i always always believed in personal responsibility very, very much. I was very, and so on and so forth.

With regards to, like I was saying earlier, what I did find is that once I had my son, once I got married, I had a child. I really did see the necessity for me to curb certain aspects of my behavior and to become a lot more focused and a lot more responsible and a lot more. They'll need these to be a lot more non-negotiables. And I remember at the time thinking, I was like that thing in cartoons, in the old sort of 40s cartoons, you'd have these angels that pop up on the shoulders of the character when they had a decision to make, you know? They'd be an angel and he'd say, no, don't do that. Don't do that thing. And a little devil would pop up and go, yeah. And if you listen into a lot of pop music or rap music, you have a lot

little devils popping up saying like certain shit. If you're watching a lot of movies and things, you have these little devils popping up going, yeah, do you. that it'd be cool yeah that's you know da da da what i realized was i wanted to build an army of shoulder angels that would pop up and it would give me good advice or just remind me of my true values at moments i needed them which is part of why i i invented meaning wave so that i would have jocko appear saying good and i would have david goggins pop up saying yeah i don't know you son and i i'd have jordan peterson pop up and i have all these various people would pop up you know so i i've made all these songs and I really embedded myself in the words and the worlds of these various

people in order to create this army of shoulder angels that would help me to stay on the path at this particularly turbulent moment in the human story, this really important juncture where we're kind of at this crossroads and like over there is Mad Max and over there is a Brave New World, 1984, all those things and the Matrix and so on and so forth. And over there is Star Trek next generation or something to that effect or something we haven't even thought of yet but we are at that moment so I felt it was necessary for me to be sort of very very quickly embody that my potential yeah and build an army of angels get all those guys get all those guys to help me out because that's what you can do now that's what's cool you are the sum of the

people five people closest to you they say right so you could be like the homies from the pub Or you could pick the greatest minds of living minds, oh, the greatest non-living minds and surround yourself with that. And that be what you have most around you, inspiring you and aligning you. I love that. Really quickly, just curiosity. Are they active participants? I mean, do you have to, like, license some of their speeches from them?

How does that work with using these guys in your music? Yeah, I get permission from everybody that I do anything with that nature, of course. More important, don't you know, I wouldn't want to be doing something that somebody didn't want me to be doing with their, their, you know, spirit, words, everything. You know, someone like I say, something like Jordan Peterson, you spent 40 years researching certain topics. This is one of the reasons I wanted to use him. and that regard was I was trying to make a record and I was not yet wise enough to talk about what I was trying to talk about

and then I was like hang on there's this guy over here he's been looking at this for 40 years I could just have him say it because he knows 40 years that's you know and that's authentic a lot of times when you listen to certain records and people are being a bit preachy at you

it's very disingenuous and you don't believe it because you know they do not embody that of which they speak and you hear that when people are talking in records you hear that when certain people are lecturing you on podcasts or whatever it is if someone isn't really

embodying that of which they speak you know and you do not trust them you know and it poisons the whole thing so a couple more questions on on meaning and music so i love what you said i mean look what you're talking about you are the amalgamation of the five people closest to you you're also i think i think content is part of that like you're going to reflect if you consume trash you're going to have junk come out you know if you if you consume good calories in food but also in brain food you're going to be healthier. What do you think about, like, I'm just thinking about myself in a self-critical way, self-analysis. Like, look, man, I love country music. I always have. But if I really step back for a moment and I think about what they're all singing about, Wayland Jennings or Willie Nelson

or even my modern day favorite guys, I mean, it's whiskey and depression. And what it is, ultimately for me is nostalgia in some way. It's taking me back someplace else to a time. But they're not actually preaching much virtue or meaning. What do you think about, like, music in general that doesn't give you a meaningful message? Do you think it's a pollution for your soul? If it's unbalanced, it is, of course it is. If, like, all you're eating is fries and popcorn or whatever, or, like, fake vegan burgers, you know, you will see what happens to your body, and then you will die, and that will be that.

You know, your mind will go, everything will go. However, if you're, you know, if you're eating pretty well and you're working out, you can go and drink a can of Pepsi or eat whatever it is and it won't really touch you. You know, so it's a balanced thing. The thing with music and the thing with lyrics within music is they're not just working consciously. They work subconsciously. So your internal monologue starts to become made up of these mantras. And if these mantras are self-destructive, then that will start to work on you over the course of your life. Even in short spurts, you see it happen to children in a couple of years.

of listening to certain kinds of music, they'll start becoming emo, they'll start becoming gangster, they'll start becoming lo-fi hip-hop, or whatever the fuck it is. They become, excuse me. So you have to pay attention to what's going in in every regard, in everything in life. And we live in this incredible age where you can curate everything that comes in. I can go in my Twitter and I can mute certain words, I can follow certain people, I can curate what comes in. Twitter could be the greatest university in the world if you so wish and you put the effort

and to curates it. It doesn't have to be a cesspool of horror that you step into every day and just get really upset. You could also use it as a kind of dojo in which to sort of control your emotions and not allow yourself to be wound up or so on and so forth. And you can do this with your music. So you can choose things that will give you certain messages that you want to be repeating inside it because your subconscious sings along. And then your subconscious will start singing it when you're not even paying attention and will be drilling it in. So you just want to make sure the balance is right making sure you're getting enough of that which you really want it's about being uh acting with intent right it's about like we were saying earlier the devil

will find work for idle hands to do so you deliberately decide what kind of a person you want to be and you reverse engineer the inputs that will bring you to that that will essentially because most of your life it becomes habits right that's why time speeds up as you get older because your life is becoming a bunch of habits and your brain fasts forward through them right so discipline is just a case of dialing in habits that you want right so you that's what you have to do you have to reverse engine you decide what you want reverse engineer what would get you there use discipline to turn that into habits that will just carry you there like someone crowd surfing to the front of a stage you know part of that is the what's going in and that that includes the

music yeah I mean I think I think the toxic meaning I mean I took I talked about country music so I'm not targeting one particular genre, but rap and hip hop has a really toxic message, the vast majority of it. And I think that you could probably pinpoint a lot of societal goals to just as you, that deep internalization of that toxic meaning right there.

You said earlier, you know, they say they don't, yeah, but no, you're completely correct on that, but it is seen across all culture. What they talk about being cracker culture is the worst aspects of the messages within that music and the message. goes back to where it came from, which is Scotland, like hundreds and hundreds of years

ago. And it goes back to the kind of sort of folk ballads and the stories they were putting in that music at that point, which glorified a certain kind of being and a certain kind of way of acting. So you're completely correct on that. And we all need to take more responsibility for that which we allow into our being. Yeah. And also what we put into the world. And what we share. Yeah. Last thing, I want to come back to this. It's really good, by the way. I don't want to look past what you just said what we put into the world and what we share into the world as well um big time because my feeds are so full of the things that people are upset as claim to oppose right they claim to oppose these various things but they post so many videos of them i see so many

people with funny gross terrifying demon faces shouting at children you know i see so many horrible things and i feel that if people shared that which they wish to exist within the world with the ferocity that they do that which they claim to oppose, it would be a different world. Well, I mean, I've been on this, we've been talking for 40 minutes. I just want you to know, it only took about seven for me to become a huge fan. So all this has been really icing for you after the seven minute mark. But I have one more question because I want to follow up on something you said earlier about standing on the shoulders of that which came before us, which is totally true.

It's an unavoidable truth. You and I have touched on that when it comes to human wisdom. We've talked about it when it comes to art. I'd love to ask you about standing on the shoulders of others when it comes to meaning wave. If I asked you to look back on music, what would be other music outside of what you, Akira the Don have made, and maybe even more popular music that people will recognize. You know what I mean? They can use as sort of a contextual touch point. What's been in your life, something that you'd say, that's meaningful to me. That's meaning wave music before we even knew what was meaning wave. Wow, that's a great question. What was meaningful to be? I used to, like you, I'm sure, I used to love Johnny Cash. and Tom Petty and the traveling world breeze. I'd listen to Tom, you know, Tom Petey singing about southern accents and all these things,

singing about like the kind of like tyranny of a certain kind of cultural persecution, which still exists, which I didn't, you know, I lived in Wales at that time. I had my own things going on. I related very much. When I was like 11, I was listening to Ice Cube and he was talking about a Los Angeles that I didn't know existed that wasn't in the newspapers about an experience that was not communicated via traditional channels and I felt very viscerally through that music and I think all this everything that I loved that really made a mark on me it was because it was true you know I used to love

Morrissey and I understand he was telling the truth everything he said was true I think that's the and he sang in his the voice he sang in was his own voice I think the common denominator in all the music that I loved and I still love is that it was true. And that which does not affect me and that which I find risible these days is the stuff that is inauthentic. It's people lying about their experiences or faking some kind of thing. Whether it's the country music I can't stand, which is like the fake wagons and jeeps like jeans thing coming from people who do not live these lifestyles. Whether it's the fake gangster stuff coming from people who are really not about that life and really don't even understand what they're saying.

Whether it's the fake pop people putting on these fake diva voices which are not their own, whatever it is. It's the inauthentic, which I flee from. It's the authentic, which I love and I'm eternally grateful for. But I want to bring your last two answers together, and I'm just thinking out loud with you here, because while for me, my primary consumption is, look, I've always consumed a lot of talk, right? Sports talk, news talk. I would say the same thing that you're saying about music. It just has to have some authenticity to it. it has to be real.

Even if I disagree, if there's some truth to it, then I can get some, I can derive some value. But take Ice Cube. And I would love to have Ice Cube on this podcast because he's talking right now about putting some truth out this summer. On social media, he has said that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's going on a tour of righteousness. Yeah, a podcast tour of righteousness. But, you know, take what Ice Cube and NWA were putting out.

And it was true. It was authentic. The experience that they were giving us. But, but, however, the second part of this, Secura, is this, what you said about elevating, consuming, producing, and sharing, that which is positive. So it's almost like true is a necessary but insufficient component. So can you give us truth, but also elevate us into something that makes us better and focuses on the best of us? You see what I'm saying? And so I wondered if the answer you were going to give me was gospel.

And by the way, I mean, I'll be real with everyone. I haven't listened to a ton of gospel in my life, but it's true, and it's positive, you know, and I wonder. Yeah. And meaning, you know, what you're doing now. Yeah. I listen to a lot of Andrew WK. He's a very positive guy, you know, he writes essentially rock gospel music, I would say. I used to listen to a lot of Jim Steinman, who similarly, although a lot of his stuff was about that experience of the teenager, of which I spoke, but the feeling it gave me, you know, love it was the feeling.

You look at someone like Ice Cube, he, what, a lot of what he put into the world, you could be. because it became this formula that was very destructive. I do not believe that was his intention and that which he was describing was a real thing. But then what he did with his life, what he then continued to put out into the world and create, as an individual, I think, did what we're talking about and what he chooses to elevate

and what he chooses to put his efforts behind and the sacrifices he's chosen to make over various years. But he was, you know, they were calling him a sellout because he was making family movies because he wanted to put out a positive visual idea of what was possible for families and all that sort of a thing. And certain people were calling him a sellout for that.

And he did not care. You know, he always struck to his thing. Those that stuck, but, you know, someone like Norm MacDonald, he always stuck by what he believed for good or ill, no matter, what it did to him. You know, they told him to shut about O.J. Simpson.

He went right back and carried on about O.J. Simpson. But anyway, so, which is deviating from the question, defining that balance of what you're putting in. into the world. Yeah. Yes. First, we cannot change anything unless we accept it, right? So you can't be pretending that there isn't shadow.

You don't avoid the shadow. You integrate the shadow is what you do with the shadow. You know, you find that which exists in all of us. You know, you have to accept that you're as capable of that which you accuse your enemy, but the difference is is you're not going to do it, but you have to admit that you're capable of it. You have to admit that your so-called side is capable of. all these things and yet you have to also divorce yourself from sides for another point but again

that's a whole other separate thing but you can't just shy away from the wickedness and just go oh lovely loveliness lovely loveliness and think that will win because it will not you have to accept the darkness and then you you power up the light and the light will always beat the darkness and you know that from just like looking up at the sky at night time you know yeah the light is always coming And thousands of years, and thousands of years of human progress and wisdom. Hey, man, this has been awesome. This has been awesome. I really enjoyed this conversation.

I hope everybody will check you out, Akira the Don. Thanks so much for your time today. Hey, thank you, Will. There you go. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Akira the Dawn. You can check his music out on Spotify. It is, as I said, self-styled meaning wave. Go check out, Akira the Don.

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