Will Cain Country - Are Missing Scientists Linked to UFO Files? This Pattern Is Strange... (ft. Lauren Conlin)

Episode Date: May 11, 2026

"Research Lady," AKA Los Angeles Magazine Contributor Lauren Conlin, joins Will to explore the mysterious "spiderweb" connecting the UFO Files, the JFK assassination, and the string of missing or dead U.S. scientists: Los Alamos, New Mexico. Plus, Will and The Crew review Spencer Pratt’s rise as a real threat to the Democrats' L.A. stranglehold and take a flamethrower to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s (D-NY) recent comments on the creation of democracy and critique of billionaires. Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠ Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews) Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

UFO files, JFK assassination, missing scientists all have one thing in common. Los Alamos, New Mexico with LA magazines Lauren Conlin as we fight through the Hunter virus edition of Wilcane Country. It is Wilcane Country. streaming live with the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page. Always here. Hit follow at Spotify or on Apple. Lauren Conlon from LA Magazine is going to be joining us a little bit later here today. She is keeping up with and diving deep on living up to her nickname, the Research Lady.

Stories including the UFO files, JFK assassination, and. the missing scientists. Last week, I interviewed Congressman Eric Burleson on Fox News Channel's Will Kane show about the UAP release. We discussed it on the Friday edition here of Wilcane Country. There is a sense that I have gotten that I did not appreciate the full extent of these UAP files. That this is a unprecedented level of transparency and mark of disclosure for the United States government. Perhaps that can be true. Maybe we're living in a world where the frame is set by Congressman Eric Berlinson or Congressman Tim Burchett or Congresswoman Anna-Lapalina Luna, where I'm waiting for some explosive moment of holy crap, where I'm waiting for an answer to the question of whether or not there are aliens amongst us.

when the story that is unfolding before our eyes is simultaneously. For the first time, really, in American history, the federal government is acknowledging the existence of UAPs, but at the same time telling us there's not much that we know of to these UAPs. Sort of the subtext of this release, and I think any subsequent releases, And what I hear and see from this administration is take a look at everything we've got. We don't have a lot. That seems to be the story when it comes to UAPs.

But joining us now is Lauren Conlon of LA Magazine who's looked into this story, the JFK files, and continuing to keep up with the missing scientists and finding one common thread. And that common thread is Los Alamos, New Mexico. Lauren, when it comes to the UAPs, the thing that I'm saying is the Trump administration is attempting to provide the American public something it has never had, which is answers to decades-long questions and provide for some level of what we will call evidence. That includes videos. That includes call-ins from 1960s UFO-crazed citizens. That includes serious testimony from the likes of members of our United States military. Serious interviews taken by the FBI. But if not much more is to be released, I think the takeaway is here is the government showing us what they have and they don't have a whole lot.

It kind of pokes a hole. It lets the air out of the balloon. The government might actually be sitting on something revelatory when it comes to UFOs. Yeah, I mean, I think that the consensus here is that the government acknowledges, like you said, they exist. UAPs are real. We have always taken the public's concern seriously. But I don't think that the president is going to be able to do what he thinks he's going to be able to do or he knows this. And he's pushing this forward in an attempt to distract us, right?

from Iran, from the Epstein hearings being canceled. I mean, there's a number of things. So listen, I'm looking at this from many different perspectives. I appreciate what they're trying to do in terms of transparency. But I also appreciate the whole, hey, look, something shiny. You know, everybody seems to be into this story right now. So let's keep it going while gas prices are up or whatever. And look, you know, I say this all the time.

I voted for this administration. I believe in this administration, but it's the government. And they are conditioned to lie. And that's just, that's the way it is here. Well, I don't, I don't know. What I've been led to believe is that this stuff, there is not a centralized UFO vault inside the United States government. That's kind of hard for us to wrap our minds around because we have Hollywood-driven images of underground bunkers at Air. Area 51 that contain spacecraft that has driven the technological development of the last half

century. I don't know if that's true or false. But what I have been led to believe is there is no centralized vault. What there are is multiple government agencies from the FBI to NASA that have taken reports of UAPs. And at times throughout American history denied the existence of these reports. I believe the official line from NASA for quite some time is we have nothing. But at least in this initial release, we have images from NASA, from the moon's perspective of things that we would describe as UAPs.

What these things are, we don't know. We can't use UFO and UAP interchangeably because when we say the acronym UFO, we tend to think alien spacecraft. When we say the acronym UAP, we mean literally a phenomenon in the air that we cannot explain. So it sounds like a bear of a task. a bear of a task to go and not only find, but filter this information and push these various departments to turn over all of this information. That does sound like a bit of a bear of a task. Now, why?

Why would the Trump administration be doing this? I hear you on the distraction thing. I don't give a lot of credence to that in that. What? Well, if this were an administration. I give you. You do better than that. You know that half of this stuff is a distraction.

Even though we're into it, it's real. Come on, don't do that. You totally know better. You know that a lot of this is a distraction. I know that you know. Well, Donald Trump, if this were an administration that only talked to the public once a week and was trying to force the conversation to be about this, it would be a useful distraction. President Trump is on air, himself, probably two.

hours a day. Members of administration then are on air another couple hours a day. And we're not talking about scripted, pre-approved questions and press conferences. They'll take anything. So, I mean, what is it distracting? What is it distracting from? He's getting all the questions on Iran. People are talking about gas prices. Like, he's not capable of flooding the zone because he's sitting here in the zone, to take on whatever it is. Well, you can try.

You can absolutely try to distract from Iran, from gas prices, from Epstein. Of course you can try. Do you get the sense, or they're trying to talk about UAPs? Do you really get the sense that they want to talk about UAPs? They're trying to talk about UAPs? Yes, I do. And I think, again, they were incredibly excited. Caroline Levitt, when Peter Deucy asked the question,

hey, you know, there's these 11 scientists and those that have worked in national defense that have gone. missing that have died under mysterious circumstances and Caroline Levitt's like absolutely we're going to look into it and then you've got Cash Patel that's like yeah we got this and then everybody seems to agree wholeheartedly that something is going on and something isn't right I tend to only see Democrats agree wholeheartedly on things I think that Republicans have always been very nuanced in their discussions and the way they seem to have a lot of infighting and I've always respected that about them. You know, I go back to COVID when the Democrats are like, yeah, we should just shut down the

schools. And everyone's like, yes, I totally agree. And you're like, really? Not one person is calling BS on this. So again, I'm not trying to completely disparage the government here because, again, this is my president. This is my administration. I just want to look at this from a perspective of like, you know, it's, it's not as, I guess, open and shut as like we don't have the files. I think that they knew Will that they were never going to get all of the files. And, you know, going through this, I spent most of the weekend and Friday looking through a lot of this. And, I mean, there's 5150s here. You know, we've got a woman, and this report is probably in there several times,

a woman walking into the Dallas FBI saying, you know, I can't tell you my name because this alien told me they'd kill me if they knew I was telling you this. But, and then she names all of these crazy UFO sightings and these, you know, weapons of mass destruction dropping over this state and that state. Yeah, the FBI is like, we looked into this. We couldn't really find anything. But here you go to the public, you know. It's kind of like I saw in the Epstein files. You've got people calling the FBI tip lines giving these wild stories about Jeffrey Epstein in 1995 with Jay-Z that seemingly don't add up. But they're showing us this just because?

Well, I mean, so your premise is that it's just a dump to distract? That's your premise? I mean, so like I said, I'm looking at this from multiple angles where I appreciate to an extent what they are trying to do. I really do. I just think that Donald Trump knows. Pete Hegseth knows. Everybody knows we're never, ever going to get the truth. We're never going to get, you know, whatever Tim Burchett says he saw, whatever Eric Burlison says he saw in this meeting in a skiff or whatever it is, this briefing.

No, I don't think we're ever going to get it, and I think they know that. What do you think of this? This is a picture of UFO sightings around the world from 1906 to 2014. I don't know if you can see a return when you're talking to me. it is overwhelmingly who compiled this by the way ESRI whatever that is ESRI

overwhelmingly it's like a light it's like looking at the globe at night and seeing where the lights are on this is UFO sightings across the world the US is lit up like a light bulb I mean yeah there are scattered sightings in other parts of the world

nothing like what's happening in the US why Lauren I mean look I I don't quite have an answer to that. I will say that there have been plenty of sightings overseas. And I think I've mentioned this before in conflict areas. And we see this in the files as well. You know, Syria, Iran, New Guinea.

I mean, we've seen these sightings, you know, again, dropped in the files. But there's no, there's no resolution here. There's no like, yes, multiple people saw this. You know, and we don't necessarily have dimensions either. We don't have enough information well. And that's, I guess that's my point. But I think it's incredible that the government is and has been taking this seriously for some time now. And the sightings that I find to be most interesting in the files here have been around Los Alamos in New Mexico.

And again, they are, there's no resolution here, you know. and they touch upon during the Cold War, like the green light that was seemingly around Los Alamos as well. And again, nothing confirmed here, but what they do say is that these sightings, they were not necessarily just spotted by private citizens. These were military pilots, those in the Air Force, scientists, people that worked at Los Alamos with high security clearances

that were spotting this, you know, these UAP figures and these this bright green light. So I think that when it comes to the caliber of people spotting these, that's when really you do have to take it seriously. And also the number, like you said, the number of sightings. That's pretty incredible. Well, it makes you think, including the sightings around Los Alamos, New Mexico, that what does the United States have that the rest of these places across the globe

did not? And you would say secondarily, the next closest. incitings would be the UK. You can see it on this roadmap. Well, we have technological advancement, much greater than everybody else. And what's going on at Los Alamos? Technological advancement, from nuclear capabilities to whatever else they're doing, Los Alamos. And it does make you wonder how much of this is explainable by the fact that people are seeing test flights, test balloons, test everything that is part of our military industrial complex, trying to stay on this cutting edge.

And they don't want to acknowledge that's what it is. They don't want to give you the answer to that's what it is. So it gets to exist in this place in the public's mind for half a century. Yeah, no. And I agree with you there. I do. And I think I just, I just, I have, I have doubts that the, the public. is ever going to feel comfortable about any of this.

Because let's say, let's say, well, in an alternate universe, we are going to learn that of what those in NASA might know or even certain congressmen where we're going to learn or we're going to see what they saw. I don't think that we're going to feel comfortable with that either because it's like this is just out of everybody's hands. And again, there's no resolution. there's none so what if we learn will what if we learn that that aliens did extraterrestrial they

they did you know come down and and visit these people after the roswell crash and all this stuff then what then then then where do we go from there i guess that that's my question i mean i mean we we on the other side of that door is the unknown that's a portal we go through that we don't even know where we go through psychologically societally how we interact with each other it's gigantic I mean, it's not nothing. If we find out, if we have confirmation that we have been interacting with aliens in some undeniable way, I mean, I don't know what this show is like tomorrow. I mean, I don't know what we do tomorrow.

I know. All bets are off. All plans are off. Yeah. No, it's wild. And, you know, what we're hearing about just pastures and churches having these meetings, right? That intrigues me as well. I said this the other day.

I was sitting in church. I came across Ezekiel. I mean, if you read Ezekiel, it is, it is wild where he's, he's warned about the Israelites, but what, you know, comes down from the earth, you know, has, has these beams and it has wheels. And he's visited by creatures with multiple faces. And you're like, this is wild. This is actually wild. The missing scientists and the missing film of the assassination of JFK.

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Welcome back to Will Cain Country. We're still hanging out with Los Angeles Magazine's investigative reporter Lauren Conlon. Okay, so you bring up Los Alamos, and you've also been looking into, let's talk about JFK for a moment. This story does get a bit exhausting for me in the same way as the UFO files. I have a general sense of skepticism and cynicism at this point that I'm ever going to get to anything that resembles the truth. It's just like the UFOs in terms of I'm open and I'm curious.

I think that Oswald's life is unexplainable. But what you're looking into is actually what happened that day in Dallas. And I didn't even know about this, by the way. Lauren, the existence of a secondary film, not as a Pruder film, but a secondary film. Yep. Yes. So this is, this is insane. Well, and you know why it's insane specifically is because, you know, anybody can file a lawsuit, right? Fine. That's easy. You file it. But the other party, right, the defendants here on the lawsuit, they have the ability to go in, file a motion to dismiss, especially if it's frivolous or if it's crazy, you know? So Orville Knicks, Jr., the son of Orville Nick Sr., who was an air conditioning repairman in Dallas, who took another angle of film with the JFK assassination.

He got the entire grassy knoll area. So this other angle, you know, we're not used to seeing. The public is only used to seeing the Zapruder angle. So Orblik's Jr., his son, filed this lawsuit before he died. in 2025 because he is alleging the government somehow misplaced or purposely lost his father's original film here. And it's very, very important that, you know, we understand, I guess, the depths of this because in 2024, the DOJ filed a motion to dismiss this entire lawsuit, you know, saying it's crazy, you know, whatever. But a judge was like, no, this is going to survive because

Because Aerospace Corporation and Los Alamos basically said, no, we gave the file and the footage to the National Archives. They must have lost it. So now the U.S. government is going to be forced to answer questions under oath about where this missing evidence is, where the missing footage is. And it's pretty wild because that has never happened before. And yeah, go ahead. Okay. This is a film from, so we're using. used to seeing the angle from Zepruder, and that is from essentially the grassy and old side of the

street shooting back the other way, so that anything that happened on the grassy knoll would theoretically be happening from behind the camera. This, the Knicks film, is from the other side of the street shooting back towards the grassy knoll. And I read your column, so it purportedly shows the entirety of the grassy knoll. So if there was a shot fired or something that happened from the grassy knoll it would be on that film now that film obviously was taking in 1963 was taken to the house select committee in the late 1970s and that's when it purportedly disappears right and there's allegations that they were working on at los salamos yeah analyzing that film enhancing the imagery and digitizing it and then in the process it gets lost the the actual film gets lost and I think

what you write is the digitization process is corrupted and it doesn't work. So we basically, we're told we have nothing, nothing from that film. Yes. So essentially the film, they gave it to Los Alamos and Aerospace Corporation, like you said, to enhance it forensically. You know, they have, they did all these things that they could do in the 1970s, multiple copies of this film. And also, you know, the chain of custody was seemingly disrupted here, where it was transported by aerospace employees or Los Alamos employees themselves instead of Congress.

And what's also crazy is, you know, when you go into looking through the chain of custody for the Zapruder film, I mean, everything is as it should be. You know, you have all of the evidence who touched what, who had what. It's all there. it comes to the Knicks film, there's nothing. It's crazy. There's absolutely nothing. And they also include depositions from, in this lawsuit,

depositions from James Hume's, Dr. James Hume, excuse me, who was one of the doctors that performed the autopsy on JFK. And he even said some of his photographic evidence is missing. There was brain matter missing. And you know, James Hume has been under, scrutiny as well because he actually said at one point he burned his autopsy notes in the fire or in his fireplace because they had blood on them which is really suspect if you if you ask me but um no his his deposition in my article i link it out and you can see he says stuff's missing

well okay back to the film though um did you write did i say there is there's a suggestion that in that On that Nick's film, there's an image of a man in a military-prone firing position? Yes. Yes. And that is why the film is so important because they, you know, the house assassination committee was hearing all of this, this conspiracy, there could be a second shooter, you know, so they wanted to get this film and analyze it and figure out if there was a second shooter or not or if it was even worth discussing.

And again, what we have here is just. Just missing film. You know, no chain of custody. Okay. And yeah. I believe the Zepruder film took like a decade to come out. If I remember correctly, it wasn't a thing the public got like in the first couple of years after the Kennedy assassination. Right. The Zepruder film, and Dan and Pat, unless you know, Lauren, you can look this up.

I do believe the Zepruder film was sort of a surprise to the public during the investigations some decade later in the 1970s. The reason I bring that up is, I guess, for that decade that nobody knew about the Zapruder film, you know, that we had nothing. Even though it existed, we had no information about it. What I'm curious about is the idea of making something disappear 15 years after it's created is kind of hard for us to imagine modern day age. So the Nix film is out there from 1960 through, let's call it, when was the House Select Committee? Was it 1978? I don't know when it was, but 79. Yeah, I'll get the date in the 70s.

So it's out there, theoretically, in the public for over a decade. I would think people at least saw it. It was harder back then to copy things. It was harder back then. You didn't just digitize it at home. That didn't happen. So you've got literally a spool of film, you know, and it's just sitting in Nix's house for a decade.

Did he show people? I mean, to me, it's hard. hard to imagine if the government said, let's make that film disappear. Like, it's almost like the horses out of the barn, the cat's out of the bag. Like, or was it not? For that 10 years, nobody saw it. Nobody knows what's on it. So, so it was 1978 that the House Select Committee on Assassinations viewed the film as

so important that they subpoenaed the original, right? So yes, I guess that is weird to an extent, but it's almost like back then, how do you get this footage into the proper hands, especially if the proper hands could be responsible or know who's responsible for this assassination? And, you know, there's people are crying conspiracy. And also the investigation, you know, results. or concluded in a quote high probability that Kennedy was assassinated as as part of a conspiracy here. So yeah, I get what you're saying, but I think it's like we got to, yeah, take ourselves back in time that, you know, I guess it wasn't as simple as just like going viral, right? Like, I mean, so I guess I can't really explain that, but I know what you're saying.

It just seems like as the government said, let's make this disappear. We got to make this disappear, this film. it's like, well, somebody goes, it's been out there for 12 years, 13 years, it's been out there. I mean, like, if you were doing that, the first thing you'd be like is, did you make any copies, Mr. Nix? Okay, and then Nix mysteriously dies or whatever.

If I were the one trying to cover up a conspiracy, I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable simply making this one copy of film disappear. 15 years later does the trick. Well, and that's the whole point. Maybe you did in 60s and 70s. There are copies, though, right? But I think what we're talking about here is when the original was reviewed by Los Alamos and Aerospace and Enhanced, et cetera, we don't necessarily know what those enhancements looked like, right? Like, those have never been, or that's never really been released to the public every single aspect.

Are you telling me, there are copies right now? Well, I see the Knicks film? right now? It's in my article. You can see, you can see the, um, I see a still image in your, in your article. Yes, you can see that still image. And you can actually see Zapruder at the, the top taking his photo. Um, so I have a hard time. Can we enhance that stuff now? Well, it's, I don't know. I think you need the original. Well, that's my whole thing. Like, I don't know enough about, you know, how, how that works. But, um, his estate, the Nix estate wants that original copy, right? Like, this is, that's all they want. They're not asking for money. They're not asking for

anything. They're just like, hey, government, give us this original copy. But Will, why would they, do you actually believe that the government would just lose it? I guess? Like, they would just, oops, misplace it? I don't know. No, no. I don't grant them that, but I also think, I think it's, yeah, I don't know. I can't, I don't know the level of incompetence. At times, I think the leveling of competence is high. For every conspiracy, it requires with it along of competency. And I do think there is some competency, certainly the most sensitive things. But I also think, you know, we can never fully quantify incompetence.

So I don't know. I mean, that's fair. These are human beings, right? They're not robots. Mistakes could be made. I just feel like something as important as this, as, as important. important as this is and the way they treated the Zap Ruter film, I just feel like, yeah, the same treatment would be in order for the Knicks film. But I mean, I think what's crazy here

is that this attorney, Scott Watkins is his name and he's representing the, um, the Knicks estate at this law firm is Wilk Oslander. I mean, he really is going to get to go deep here, you know, during, during, uh, discovery. And, and it's going to be crazy. And by the way, this is discovery. I think it's not going to, there's not a deadline until 2027. So it's going to be a while. But I mean, I'm very interested to see what the government has to say about a lot of this. I think that, again, it's, this is seemingly flying under the radar right now.

But I do think, you know, next year, we're going to be paying a lot more attention to this. next year because it's going to take a while for this this law suit to make the way well i'm i'm trying to get the names from the attorney those from los alamos and also the aerospace corporation who may have had any type of contact you know with this film or with copies of it i'd like to know um you know i'm sure most of them are dead by now but i'd like to know how they died how soon after coming in contact with this film, did they die? I mean, I have a lot of questions when it comes to people that handled this stuff. Let's take a quick break, but continue this conversation with Los Angeles Magazine, investigative reporter Lauren Conlin on Wilcane Country.

On the flip side, you seem to be a little less skeptical of everything when it comes to the 11 missing scientists. Whatever the number is. I don't know what number we're using anymore. 11 missing or dead scientist. But you have stayed in touch with Monica Reza's family. Some people close to Monica Reza, I think within her family, right? Monica Reza is the, I believe, tell me if I remember my memory serves correctly. She is NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratories.

She is California. She is the missing hiker on a trail in California. Correct. And the last time I was on this show, I had not connected. with a family member yet. I had only connected with sources from her yoga group. Now what I learned from this family member I I think is is just so important on so many levels. So yes, at the time of her disappearance, Monica worked for NASA JPL. I did not confirm that at that point in my investigation.

I had only confirmed, you know, her Pratt & Whitney, the Aerojet Rocket Dine, because that was was on her LinkedIn. Now, what's so crazy about all of this is, is also the fact that nobody from the White House or from the FBI has been in touch with her family since announcing this probe. And of course, you know, that doesn't mean they're not investigating, right? That doesn't mean that. But seemingly, Monica and General McCaslin are really at the center of all of this. You know, they had government contracts that can be proven, and they both seemingly disappeared into thin air.

So I would think that, you know, contacting the family would be a part of this investigation for the White House or for the FBI if they were really taking it seriously. So I found that to be pretty disappointing. This family member wanted everyone to know that Monica was a widower. she, or is a widower, I should say, is a mother. She, they said she absolutely was not working for any type of foreign government. They wanted the public to know that she had an iPhone 8. And now the iPhone 8 generally wouldn't be able to ping a cell tower unless you were at certain areas where it would be available.

If you have an iPhone 12 or above, it would be a little bit easier. But, you know, their things. theories here, they're not ruling anything out well. They are they are perplexed. They are baffled. I mean, one thing I will say, and I had mentioned this to Patrick this morning, I interviewed a geo-profiler. And what they said to me today just sent shivers up my spine here.

The geo-profiler, excuse me, without blaming anyone, right? We're not blaming anyone. But seemingly, Monica's disappearance, seems staged in a way. And he says this because of a couple different factors, right? We're told, and I just learned this from the family member, that the male companion, female companion, and Monica, they were all going up a mountain.

They were ascending up to the top of this summit. And it's about a two hour hike to the top. Now, midway through the female hiker says, you know what, I can't do this. This is difficult. I'm going to stay here halfway through, just do some yoga poses. You guys, I'll meet you later. So the female hiker stays.

Eventually, she goes down to her car at the parking lot. Now, Monica and the male companion get to the top. And the photo that is widely circulated of Monica is she's kind of holding a Mount Waterman sign. And that was allegedly the last photo of her. There's another photo of her where she has this red beanie on her, on her head. Now, there's a couple things here. So on the descent down the mountain, which is about an hour, this is where we were told, and the family had, you know, said they were told this as well.

They start to run on this very steep terrain. Well, number one, this is, you know, you've got plausible deniability from the female companion saying, hey, I kind of ducked out halfway through. I don't know what happened. Then you've got the male companion who can easily say, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I guess I lost sight of her when she was running behind me. I have no idea. Then you have the fact that only her red beanie was found and her scent stopped at the red beanie.

Now, that is bizarre because if you're walking or you're lost and you drop something, I mean, generally you're going to pick it up. or if you continue on, I mean, your scent is going to continue on. Why would her scent just stop there? So all of this combined, you know, he's kind of like, I wouldn't be surprised if it was staged. And also with these photographs, it's very easy to alter the metadata in these photographs. You could throw it into chat GPT and alter metadata photographs or, yeah, from photographs.

So, I mean, I was just like, oh my gosh, that's. That's insane because even if she made it to the highway and maybe lost her phone, you know, on the way, this wouldn't be like, and then somebody kidnapped her or took her from there. I mean, that wouldn't be anything from the government, right, planning this because how were they supposed to know she was going to get lost? It's just, it's insane. It's so insane the more I learn. Yeah. I don't know what to make it. Stage.

staged by who? Stage town. How do you get somebody else? How do you get somebody off of a mountain and make their scent disappear? How do you do that? Well, basically, when I say stage, they dropped the beanie where they dropped it, which was also on a trail that was a little bit more dangerous, more of a southern trail that her family said she generally probably wouldn't go on

because she wasn't an experienced hiker. So again, that leaves like, okay, maybe she got lost or maybe somebody planned this and did it on purpose. And I think you, he also said, you know, we got to know Monica's lap, you know, what did she do the day before she was hiking? What did she do the morning that she was supposed to go hiking? Did anyone else see her on this mountain besides the two people from the yoga group? You know, there's a lot of questions there. Was she even on the mountain?

You know, these people say that they, you know, and this is not me blaming anyone, but it's just, you got to ask these questions. Yeah. All right. Well, JFK, missing scientists, which, by the way, you're pretty skeptical that the majority of these missing scientists have any connection to a larger narrative. The mysteries I hear you talking around Monica Reza and William McCassum, but you've gone through the cases with us. And a lot of these are much more explainable or stand on their own than the public has been led to believe. And UFO. She's writing about it at L.A. Magazine.

Lauren Kahn, we always appreciate the time that she gives us and being with us today. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you so much for having me well. All right. Let's head over to Facebook really quickly, where Michael Walsh agrees, by the way, it is a distraction, he says. And Carl Athens says, no one ever talks about how the aliens got here. We've got to confirm they're here first. I mean, that's a secondary question.

How did they get here? don't we need to confirm that they're here. Diana, Ryan says, that is with every president, not just Trump. We need to get, we never get any answers. We're trying. Christine 014A says, is she accusing people of not being honest? She's coming across is that with Trump and Pete. I don't agree with her.

Vic G says, if the dump is general without some details, that means nothing from my perspective. but at some point we may have to start slow, and yet what is slow? A lot of people have chimed in, by the way, on these topics, mostly on aliens. It wasn't as distraction. Also, I want to talk to you a bit about what I'm fighting through. My fighting through the hunter virus. Are you okay? But, yeah.

Yeah, I'm okay. I'm okay. Thank you. I don't feel great. today. I don't know if I have hunt a virus. Man, the hunter virus in this ship is something else.

You've got these people that have been sent to Nebraska for quarantine. I think a lot of them have been released. And I don't think the public has a lot of appetite to talk about a virus anymore. We're not that interested. We're not that interested. We've been through COVID. But I will tell you

when you when you combine inhaling rat feces with a virus, I have to admit you got my attention. Like, Gene Hackman in the way he died of huntivirus, I don't want that. And if that's what's now made its way to human to human transmission, I am, as COVID fatigued as I am, I don't want this hunt a virus. I don't know if I've got it. I don't feel good right now. That's a fact. I don't know if you guys can hear it in my voice. A little bit. I think they said it to very very.

Very, very low risk. We got to do something. I think. Today. Of what? Human transmission? In the U.S., yeah, because a lot of these people from the cruise ship have returned home in the U.S. And they're saying everyone here is at low, low risk.

But who knows? Here's the idea. If quarantine these people for like a month or two and then just knock it out before you send them home. That's what they did. Well, yeah, you're right. It was less than a week. It's adding up. No, on the ship.

They're there longer. And then they put them in Nebraska, right? And then they put them in Nebraska. And then I saw somebody that either tested positive without showing symptoms. They get another week in the hole. It's like the warden and chauching. Another month in the hole. They are keeping these people, I feel like, for some significant percentage,

of time. I mean, can you imagine how awful that would be to be one of the hunt of virus suspects? If there's one person... If we all got it, knocks us out. One person on U.S. oil that gets it, everyone's going to freak out and there's going to be no toilet paper or

you know, stuff in the grocery stores. So do you think the American people like even listening to you, Patrick, and listen to me, I don't want to know rat feces virus, is do you think the American people are going to have a quick hair trigger on the next virus or they're going to be totally callous to the prospect of the next virus based on COVID?

Like when it comes, are we going to be like, get out of here, I'm not changing a thing about my lifestyle? Yes. Or is it going to be like you get those hunter virus people and put them in a hole in Nebraska? I think it's going to be 50-50. It's going to be, you know, there's going to be a lot of pushback. Like, people aren't going to go into it. But then there are going to be people who are like, let's put them away. And I mean, like, I think Spencer Pratt talks about this a lot.

But we really have problems with, you know, like Skid Row. You look at Skid Row, all the disease out there. America is like becoming a petri dish. I think the nature of this virus is different, like you said, is gross. So I think people will react. It's gross. That's exactly right. I think the gross factor is big.

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Yeah, oh no. Spencer Pratt wants to do these things. Did somebody see this and go, that'll win. Maybe it will win over the people of Los Angeles. Who knows? Maybe Pratt put that out. Maybe it's actually just a Pratt campaign, and it's like reverse psychology on people? I think it's real.

I mean, New York needs one of those, too. Apparently the betting markets are swinging. Apparently the betting markets are swinging pretty heavily in Spencer Pratt's favor. And I keep seeing clips from CNN with some very angry ladies mad about Spencer Pratt. So it's like the anti-Prat ads are good for him, and then the pro-pratt ads are absolutely incredible. Watch this ad from Mr. Pratt. This is where Mayor Vass lives. You notice something? Or here where Nithia Raman's $3 million mansion sits. They don't have to live in the mess they've created where you live.

This is where I live. They let my home burn down. That's really good. It's really good, political ad. It's effective. I'm going to be the mayor of Los Angeles? I mean, what kind of red tape is there? If Spencer Pratt becomes mayor of Los Angeles, Zohra Mamdani's mayor of New York City, and Donald Trump's president of the United States, what's the path to the presidency? And what's the path to high political office?

It's none, right? There is none. It certainly doesn't need to be senator or governor. It's like, why? And for the people goes, oh, well, you need experience. Experience doing what? Running a city into the ground the way that can't. Karen Bass has? Like, why is that valuable experience? Why is doing something poorly qualifications for a

higher job or rehire? Why is Gavin Newsom's poor record as governor qualification for being president? Oh, he has experience in the executive office. Yeah, horrible experience. So why is that experience make him better than someone that has no experience? Man, what Donald Trump showed, I think, between his first term and his second term is, um, yeah, experience may. have some value. And obviously Donald Trump came to that with a ton of executive experience, just not political experience. The main thing he had to figure out was who to hire around him to get his vision into execution and get it out of the normal political backstabbing that existed so much. So like if I'm Spencer Pratt, be careful who you hire. That's the number one.

Yeah, you're going to need help. You're going to need experts. But be very, very diligent about who you hire. to help you out. Meantime, you can get people that have brand recognition who have political experience, but my fear is that they're complete buffoons. AOC, for example, is giving a podcast tour where she has said that the American Revolution was about the American people fighting back against billionaires.

Like, that's a rewriting of the American history book that would get you an F, in the words of Ted Cruz. on a term paper. That is not what happened. I got the wrong flip. You didn't pull that one. I know that. No, no, I got the billionaire one.

I'm paraphrasing it. Yeah. I know. I already know. I already know you messed up. You don't have to tell me you messed up. Yeah. I know.

I saw him grit his teeth. I saw his face. I already had known it. That's why I was sitting here describing it in detail and not playing it for the audience. And I'm looking at you realize as I'm talking, oh, I got the wrong clip. Yeah. It was a good clip, you know. Go check it out if you want to.

I was going to keep going. We didn't need to highlight your mistakes. But, you know, it's... You did it. Sometimes our own worst enemies are ourselves. Yeah, well, what, huh? I'm easily, easily my worst enemy. Yeah.

We do have a couple AOC clips. Let's play yours. Okay. Yeah, let's play yours. AOC on billionaires. There's a certain level of wealth and accumulation. that is unearned, right? You can't earn a billion dollars.

That's right. You just can't earn that. That's exactly correct. You can get market power. You can break rules. You can do all sorts of things. You can abuse labor laws. You can pay people less than what they're worth.

But you can't earn that, right? And so you have to create a myth. My favorite is the interview lady. Greg Gutfeld did point this out, but she's my favorite. Here's AOC spinning some nonsense. Okay, there's no way to become a billionaire. No way to earn a billion dollars. Basically, she's saying you can cheat your way to a billion dollars, but you can't earn a billion dollars.

That, by the way, is just fascinating in and of itself on a philosophical and intellectual basis. AOC is a taker. She's never been a creator. She is a politician and she has no idea of the concept of creating value outside of, I guess, wage labor, which is a valuable way to create a living, to create wealth. But it's not the only way. The way that you do so is by providing people value. You sell your time as a bartender and you provided value for that person and they compensate you. They compensate you to the extent that you are.

replaceable. That's how it works, right? And same thing that works way it works for me. They compensate me to the cost and expense it is to replace me at the same level. And that's what it's like when you sell your time. But other people do other things. They create value in other ways. They create value by selling people whatever it is that they want and they need, time, energy, whatever. And if you can do that if you can solve a need for people and you can sell it endlessly, then you earn potentially a billion dollars. And AOC cannot imagine that because she is inherently not a capitalist. She does not believe in that. She does not believe she believes in the dichotomy of wage labor and boss labor. That's it. That's all there is in this world. There's not a real

concept of value. And people that have real understandings and concepts of value are what makes the that no one else can imagine. That drives us forward in ways we cannot, perhaps ourselves, envision. But the other lady, she's amazing. Alana Glazer, that's right. Mm-hmm. Exactly the whole time. She is amazing.

Never heard of her before this. Never heard of her. Hell of an interview tactic. This is a huge star turn for her. Yeah. It was his dream of hers, that's all. Hell of a way to interview someone. Yes, I agree with everything.

you're saying. But she gets a follow-up. Did she say this thing about American democracy with the same lady? Oh, yeah. Where did she say this? She tells us who built American democracy? I think about the civil rights and voting rights movement and how black Americans really created democracy in this country.

That's exactly right. How they literally made something from nothing. It is just beyond me. That's right. That's exactly right. So this is why I confused the two clips. I thought that was talking about the founding. I thought that was the founding thing. It got me so good.

Her just saying, Are you still talking about your mistakes? Yes, yes. I'm just, yeah, I'm in my head now. Black Americans created democracy. Yes, I'm familiar with those images of the signing of the Constitution. I've seen that Declaration of Independence Portrait. She was so sure.

And the ladies like, yes, that's exactly right. Exactly right. Like, what are you talking about on its face? Like, what does she mean? She's talking about, my suspicion is she, if pressed, she would do some deal about, well, democracy didn't really exist until 1964. And the essential role that black Americans played in passing the 1964 Civil Rights Act. This is my presumption of what she would say. And therefore, we didn't have democracy before that,

and black Americans were essential in creating democracy. They created American democracy. Totally ignoring, by the way, not only the role of Jefferson, Madison, Adams, Washington, in the creation of America, but the Greeks who invented democracy some centuries ago. Sure. Democracy was really never truly invented until. black Americans did so in 1964. Yeah, because if you think about it,

really the founders weren't inventing democracy. They were just rebelling against the billionaires of the time. That's what she tells us. That's what they were doing. She's a my kid's moron. My kids all think that the founders were black in Puerto Rican because of Hamilton.

Oh, yeah. That too. They need to take away people's podcast, Mike, sometimes. God. This stuff works, man I know, but certainty, confidence, stupidity wearing the costume of certainty and confidence

stuff works a lot Okay, I'm going to go Rest Is there a hunter virus that vaccine? I need to get on that Thank you so much That's going to do it for us today

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