Will Cain Country - Are You A Lion Or A Sheep? Lindsay Clancy's Case Declared A Mistrial

Episode Date: September 4, 2026

After a dramatic jury deadlock, a mistrial has officially been declared in the murder trial of Lindsay Clancy, after a single holdout blocked an 11-to-1 decision for not guilty by reason of insanity.  Will and The Crew discuss what really went down inside that high-stakes jury box, and break down the psychological pressure cooker of jury deliberation, human nature under group influence, and what comes next for the case. Plus, they dissect "Roysha" (formerly Royce) White’s viral debate tactics against trans activists, rank the best modern decades, and react to Hunter Biden blasting Jake Tapper as a "complete and utter a**hole" on Don Lemon's podcast.Subscribe to ‘Will Cain Country’ on YouTube here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Will Cain Country!⁠⁠⁠Follow ‘Will Cain Country’ on X (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), Instagram (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), TikTok (⁠⁠⁠@willcainshow⁠⁠⁠), and Facebook (⁠⁠⁠@WillCainNews)Follow Will on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The trial of Lindsay Clancy. It is Wilcane Country, normally streaming live every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern time, where the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page. Or you subscribe, Spotify, or on Apple, and hang out with us at your leisure. mistrial fellas mistrial okay I want to talk about this Lindsay Clancy thing

so this is I'm really hot to trot on this for a couple of reasons okay I'm talking about reasons beyond the horrificness of the murder of three children and the public whether or not we are going to live in a society

where you face accountability whether or not you get to say hormones and insanity absolve you of criminal responsibility. We've had that discussion. I'm interested in that discussion. We've also had the discussion of the public's reaction to this, how the public has consumed it,

that there's a lot of people, the crazy people, that are fully on the side of Lindsay Clancy, but even some of our viewers and listeners who get mad at me and say, I don't understand or empathize with her situation. We've had those conversations. This is what I want to talk to you about today. What the hell has happened in that courtroom, but more importantly, in that jury box.

Now, I want to tell you something. what I know, what we know, is largely predicated upon the words of defense attorney Kevin Reddington. Okay, Lindsay Clancy's defense attorney. Now, should we trust what he's saying? Put that in your back pocket and you can return to it. Late yesterday and into the day, Reddington has said in the courtroom that it's 11 to 1. and he has suggested that the 11 are with him, not guilty by reason of insanity, and that one is holding out. Now, if he is right, okay, then what you know is that one holdout is saying, I don't have reasonable doubt about her sanity.

I believe the state has met its burden that she was sane, and by sane, we mean understood the consequences of her actions at the time she murdered three children. that the state has met that burden, and the other 11 are going, no, they haven't. Now, we don't know, again, this is all predicated upon Reddington's. He's saying it in open court and outside the courthouse to reporters. He's also said that it's a male. The one is a male. Now, there are some saying, where is he getting this information from? Well, the answer is the jury note they sent yesterday, which I've had my staff, by the way,

trying to track down, was that note read aloud in court? Because everybody's only relaying it through hearsay. Because he's read a lot into this note. He's read that it's a mail. He's read that there's one holdout. And that one holdout is keeping him from not guilty by reason of insanity. Almost every lawyer I've talked to is like, how can he know all that? He can't know all that. He can't know which way the 11 to 1 breaks. And in fact, the prosecution said that. But Patrick, he's so convinced that it makes me wonder, what was in that note. And I really, really want to know how that note reads, right?

Exactly. But the prosecution didn't feel that way. They didn't feel that way from the note. And a lawyer buddy of mine said, hey, man, just for the record, he could be doing a performance. He could be doing this. Yes, he could be doing that. Or he could be full of false confidence. He said, I've seen a ton of attorneys read jury notes as though they support their position.

and he could be leaping there emotionally to that. Well, he is so certain that I've begun to accept his premise that it's 11 to 1, acknowledging that I am accepting his characterization. And here's what I want to say. If that is true, I'm going to emphasize that again, if that is true, his characterization, that's wild. That's wild. Not that 11 people could come to the idea that she's in.

insane, okay? But rather that one person would hold firm against 11. And you can flip it and I'd feel the same way. If there were 11 dedicated to, she's guilty of first degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt and one going, no, I don't see it. I think there's a chance that she was insane and voting not guilty and sticking with it over six days, that's wild. Because here's what I believe. I believe that human beings are naturally hurt animals, that we are consensus driven, and that we are, and I don't mean to, everybody's going to get personally offended when I say this, but okay, don't think I'm talking about you. It'll make it easier if you think I'm talking about somebody else. Mostly me. We're weak.

We're weak. Yeah. We give in 11-1, we give in. I mean, I've played my mafia game. I've watched in the public sphere. I'm in the public persuasion conversation. I promise you. So I tweeted that this morning and one guy said something perfectly goes, everybody says they do,

everybody says they're a lion until it's time to do lion shit. And this dude is a lion. Now this guy is presuming this guy is on his side of things. I don't even think you have to presume that. One holding out against 11. Just time to. I'm telling you. Like holding on.

For six days. and not budging and won't budge. It's like people confess to murder. That's wild human nature stuff. Because they're sitting in a police station so long. Just to get out of there. Yeah. 100%.

People will sell themselves out on false confessions. Exactly. I'm just telling you this is so... What's up? No, I mean, Ed's saying, what if the holdout is doing it for the potential thing of it all? But if you believe something so hard, why would you change? I mean, you can potentially,

put that kind of motivations on this person? Because I'll tell you right now, I want that person on my show. Everybody does. Everybody does. I want to talk to that one person, for sure. But I can't rob them of conviction either. I can't rob them that they

might believe this. In fact, I find it admirable. I find it admirable. Very admirable. Even if, and this is the hard part, guys. What if it's the other way? Are you going to feel the same? way everybody's like time to do lion shit because you think you're accepting

Redington's characterization that the one is going hell with this she's guilty of murder and the 11 are like no she's insane and not guilty what if it's flipped and I would tell you my position would be the same like wow that one person stood there with conviction against 11 that's still lying shit it might be wrong lying shit but it's still lying. I'm telling you, man, and I have another friend as attorney that responded to me, it's more common than you think. Honestly, with all due respect, I don't think so. I don't see it in my world. I don't see it in the world. You put 11, you put 12 people in the room, and everybody's like, I'm a contrarian, and I like, you say that, you say that. And you may do

that online. That's not what I'm talking about. That's. not the same thing. Being a contrarian, being a stick in the mud, online, it's not the same thing as facing pressure and faces day after day. I'm just telling you. But that's a movie. Whatever drama is going on in the courtroom, what's going on in that jury room is a freaking movie.

But say you have, you're that one person, you have this opinion and you think she's guilty of murder and should. And then you just acquiesce to the rest of the group just to get out of there. How do you live with yourself knowing that you still believe you could have done something about it that she should go away from murder? People do it all the time, Dan. So you just compartmentalize that for the rest of your life? Yes. I mean, that seems harder.

100%. It's how humans work. Well, they say stuff like, my life's important. You know what I'm saying? Right. I got to get back to my life. I don't want to be here anymore. True.

You know? There's all kinds of justifications for giving in. And the rest of the crowd will give you the justifications. The 11 will give them to you. come on let's get out of here yeah come on man you know like they'll give you every justification you need yeah yeah that's Patrick you doubt Redington's characterization is that what you're saying a minute ago you're like yeah like why why does he know I do think that the rebuttal is why does the prosecution not feel the same way he but here's the other thing Patrick he is fighting

tooth and nail to keep this from being declared a mistrial fighting tooth and nail and if it's 11 to 1 the other way, he should want the mistrial. You know, if he's on the verge of first-degree murder, then the mistrial becomes a victory for him. So what happens next? But if he's on the verge of not guilty by reason of insanity, if he's one vote away, then mistrials a loss for him.

And he's trying to get rid of that juror to get an alternate in. He is behaving. My point is he is behaving as though he is telling the truth. I just don't know how he has that information in the first place. Like, you know, and I also feel like this is, this is jury intimidation in some ways where it's like, you know, this person's actually standing strong for six or seven days. Heck yeah. Who the hell is he, how the hell is he able to know these things? Yeah.

Right. I believe that's true. Now, they're admonished not to go home. They don't see a lot of stuff he's saying, the jury. Theoretically, they don't see this stuff. They're not in the room when he's saying that stuff on TV. in the courtroom, and they shouldn't be seeing his interviews outside. The judge would admonish them not to be paying attention to social media or television,

but the reality of the world is, right. The reality is they're seeing it all, and it amounts to intimidation. That takes me back to how wild this is, that this one juror is like, nope, don't care, not budging. You know? Totally wild. Yeah, what happens next, though, with the mistrial? I'm not familiar with this. Well, the prosecution, the state would choose whether or not to bring it, bring the charges again.

But they could just not. They're already prepping it. They could not. They could not. That's wild to me. Yeah. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Cain Country. Two and five Canadians will hear the words you have cancer.

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The 2026 tracks. Start your build at Chevrolet.ca. This whole thing is wild. All right. It looks like it's on the verge of mistrial in the case of Lindsay Clancy. Logic. I love logic. I love debate.

I love rhetoric. I love the idea that one can spring an intellectual trap on someone else. And I love, for example, what we've shared in the past week about Will Chamberlain exposing the absurdity of reparations. I love to see someone's brain at work and to best, in like a chess match, someone else's brain.

But then there are times when you're watching it unfold and you realize there's not one way to win. There's not one skill to master. Royce White, who's declared himself eligible for the WNBA, recently appeared on a podcast, a podcast that often features people who are not exactly master. classmen, chess masters at logic. In this case, this podcast has impaneled roughly half a dozen trans women, men who have decided to pretend to be women. And invited on this podcast as well is Royce White, now identifying as a woman so that he's eligible for the WNBA. Going by Roycia White.

Dead naming her. going by Royce White here is Roycia White okay will you date it they've had also you're irrelevant

your career is washed up and that's why you're doing this I'm sorry what's your name? My name is Marcy you're totally making you're mocking actual hardworking athletes in the WMBA

these hardworking women's and it's insulting to them and it's insulting to trans people who you're also mocking with your actions what did you say first you said I'm washed up and irrelevant? Yes, you are. That's why you're doing this. You're doing it as a stunt. How do you know how do you know who I am if it's irrelevant?

What? I only know about you because you're doing a stunt, but this is like a gasp, this is like a last gasse of your career. That's why you're doing this. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, one second, that's, that's hate. Wait a second. That's hate. That's hate. Why are you being transphobic? Wait, wait, wait, please. Do not, do not disrespect a beautiful black queen like Roysha. Okay. And secondly, you appear to be white. Okay. So, Watch your white privilege. Yeah. Yeah.

That's racist, bigotry, and Nazism. And it's genocide. What you're doing is erasure, and you've got to watch your white privilege. Check, mate. His technique was not a logic trap. His technique was not a master class in chess. His technique was to meet the debate on its own battlefield. And he threw in genocide for good measure.

He rattled off every single buzzword. normally marshaled by the trans activists and lobbed those grenades directly back behind enemy trenches. And there's nothing to say at that point. What is this trans white dude going to do when confronted with a bigger oppressive victim class who has now pulled out the white privilege bazooka? His ramp up is a work of art. It's cinematic. That's hate, first of all. That's hate.

That's hate. And you are coming from a place of white privilege, which is Nazism. It's really genocide. And you have endeavored in an act of erasure. Nothing left. In the game of oppression, you, my late. lady friend have been checkmated. And you see the reaction is, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not where you're doing.

No, no, no, no, that's not where you're doing. But it is. And their heads just explode. They don't know what to do. It's a non-rebuttable proposition. Exactly. And that's what's awesome about it. When trans or any victim class marshal these buzzwords, which amount to ad hominem attacks, they're

non-rebuttable. People can often be reduced into a sputtering. I'm not racist. But no. Not Roycia White. Roissia White says you are the Nazi engaging in a racier in genocide. Defense, retreat. Back to the trenches.

Dunk. We all of a sudden realize our guns have no ammo. Run. Retreat. What are they going to do when there's nothing left to argue? It makes me think like when I do. debates and all this. Like, you see, like,

you know, Ben Shapiro is really good at it, but he wouldn't have done this. You know what I mean? It's like we've reached, that's the thing about it. Like, this type of adversary actually can't be beat on the logical battlefield. You can't spring the trap

because they're not on that battlefield. They're on a different battlefield. And Royce White brought the right. weapons. Well, it's also, it's very much like the, what Matt Walsh does. He puts people into these positions where they have to explain themselves out of it.

No, I think it's different than Walsh. Walsh is a logical, yeah, what is a woman? You know, that's, that's a logical trap that they, they get sucked into because they're incapable of following the logical strain. White just met ad hominem for ad hominem. That's all he did, you know. And honestly, had he been, White, I don't know that it would have worked as well.

He had to be from a bigger oppressed class. Correct. He even referred to himself as a beautiful black woman. And you're white and you can't comment on what I do. So stop it. Right. It's awesome. You didn't see the same level of intellect, I fear, from Ryan Reynolds.

I was a new movie out entitled May Day. I saw it last night. The reviews on Ryan Reynolds are really bad. I don't know if it's my social media algorithm, but the reviews on Ryan Reynolds are really bad. Like him as a person? Yes. Yeah.

It's the Blake-Lively thing. It's the Blake-Lively thing. But also, like, he's starting to seem a little more fake than what people thought he was. I think because of life. Yeah, it's not just the Blake Lively thing. I think I feel like I've seen videos from people who purportedly worked with him on set.

purportedly carrying a lot of weight here, right? But say, like, asked a question, who's the fakedest? And it's Ryan Reynolds, they say. You know, like, he basically incorporated the Van Wilder character into his character at large, but it's not really who he is. What about the soccer team now? He's not so pleasant. I thought people liked him for that.

I don't know. I don't watch that. Does he come off real good in that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think. Yeah, I mean, he saved an entire, like, club and, you know, people seem to love him. And Rob McElaney is just the sweetest.

So by a comparison, and next to him, he seems that way. So I don't know, by all accounts, he, in that regard, he is a nice guy. But who knows? He's also Canadian. Here is. Here is Ryan Reynolds on his promotional tour for Mayday. The 80s was a brutal, brutal time for people. It was a f***ing mess.

Like, you know, people forget that it was like that was a tremendous strife, sociopolitical tensions everywhere. You know, we're still like pretty fresh off like a Cuban missile crisis, which is only like, what, 15, 20 years before. So, you know, it's a, it's a tumultuous period. But you look back at it now and you're like, oh, yeah, top gun, cocaine. Like, no, it was like a really scary. So he's trying to make the point that we look at, we look through the lens of history and flatten it out. see it through the filter of nostalgia. And he's kind of trying to argue that the 80s weren't as great as everybody now pretends that they were.

I think that he's wrong. Look, of all of us here, I think I'm the only one who really has memory of the 80s, who grew up in the 80s. Now, I will tell you that the Cold War did still loom for us in the 80s. Like, did you guys ever live with the Cold War? I was 88. I was born. So, yeah, I mean, technically, but not really. Yeah, but not really.

I didn't know it until I learned about it in school. I mean, I don't mean were you born. But, you know, I will say, maybe human beings do this about their own lives as well. You look back at previous time periods. Yeah, we all do this and say that was better. That was better. 90s were better. 80s were better.

And so forth. But I think I'm being fairly objective when I say Ryan Reynolds is full of shit. Like the 80s were generally pretty good. On almost every objective metric, the 80s were good. The one thing I remember about the 80s that he's a little bit alluding to is the Cold War. Like that was a thing. We were afraid of Soviets. We were afraid.

We didn't say Soviets as much as we said Russians. And they were the bad guys in the movies, you know, Rambo, going up against the Russians. and we did have in our heads the potentiality of nuclear war. You know? I mean, it was possible. I don't even remember, Ed, you're my age. Did we do drills? I remember in school some type of drill where it wasn't natural disaster related, I feel like.

Did we like get under our desks or go like it's going to save us from nuclear fallout? Or was that all tornado related in Texas? Tornadoes. Was it just tornadoes? I just remember thinking like that's a thing. like nuclear war Cold War Russians that's a thing

and it sort of loomed in the background for us but the allusion to the Cuban missile crisis no dude come on what's Ryan Reynolds talking about people only remember 9-11 yeah that's ridiculous

right I didn't grow up really knowing about the Cuban missile crisis until I cared about history you know and started caring about but like it's not a part part of your psyche in your life. Like, what is he talking about?

Were you afraid of getting AIDS? The 80s were super rough because of the Cuban missile crisis. I mean, the AIDS epidemic, too. But only in certain experiences. Yeah. Well, okay, so the AIDS epidemic comes along in the late 80s. Like, it doesn't really, unless you're gay. And even if you're gay, I think you were operating in mystery for a long time.

Like, people really kind of didn't know what was going on. Right. But like... They didn't know what it was. It was late 80s. It was late 80s early 90s where like AIDS became something super scary. Like, remember the story of the kid who got AIDS? Did he get it from a blood transfusion?

That's what they said. Petro-sexual kid, obviously. I don't know why I say obviously, but he was a kid. Sexuality wasn't at play. And he got it, I think, from blood, Ryan was his first name. and then everybody was really scared. You know, it's like, oh my gosh, if you can get anybody. Yeah.

Yeah. But no, even crack. Like, yeah, cracks in other things from ladies. What? Now? Are they testing for AIDS? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean. Yeah, for sure. Okay. For sure. You can't even fight MMA without getting tested for it. Okay. Just want to make sure. Maybe those Jehovah Witnesses are onto something.

By the way, where are we on AIDS? I think AIDS is not a death sentence. The medicine for HIV is great where you can have no, it doesn't show up at all now. It keeps it on a non-transmissible, which I think they had for a long time. It was just very expensive and not available to everyone, but now it's more widely available. So you can have. It is kind of wild to think about how big AIDS was and how not. Not, I don't know, but I think, I do see the commercials like you're talking about, Dan, like, where it's like, it's seen, and I mean, Magic Johnson, whatever we take from that.

But, like, you know, you can live your life fully with AIDS, not AIDS, HIV. HIV, yeah. Right? Without it getting close to even AIDS level. It's almost like herpes. Like, it's, it's, I'm not trying to reduce its potential threat to the level of herpes, but I'm saying, yeah, you're going to have it, but it's really not going to change your life. outside of this medicine you have to take on a consistent basis. Right?

I do. I wish we didn't have to see these commercials on. If somebody's listening and knows and they're like, yeah, but do you know what that medicine does to you? Sure. That could possibly be very true. Could be a harsh medicine. You know, it's funny. There's a guy used to work with a very lefty and he did a reaction video to this Ryan Reynolds situation.

And from the lefty perspective, and he goes, if your first reaction to seeing this Ryan Reynolds video is just that, well, what's he talking about? It's all about nostalgia. then you're wrong because it's not everyone's lived experience. And so you're lucky you didn't have to go through crack and AIDS and all the stuff. I was just like, oh, that's interesting. Yeah, but dude, we're speaking on the, even when I was talking, I was thinking, you know, okay, some 55-year-old black guy who grew up in the hood could be going, what are you talking about?

Crack was a big part of the AIDS and impacted my life. Or somebody who's gay who's listening to be like, what are you talking about, HIV? And I get that. And I'm not erasing your life experience. but we can speak on the whole. We can speak on the average, right? Like, you know, you could look at any decade and go, well, that was rough on that one group, so don't speak that it was great.

Yeah, of course, you can do that at any time, you know, what it may be. But on the whole, on the average, for the average American, economically, rights, culture. Like, I don't think Ryan Reynolds has a lot of ground to stand on to go, the 80s were really rough. Yeah, I think it needed a little clip for the movie, for the press tour. But maybe it was rough. He was in Canada, so it was probably much tougher. Yeah.

I can't speak to what Canada was like in the 80s. Yeah. Right. A lot of genes. I can't speak to that. All right. What was the best decade? Well, I always grew up.

I think the 90s were great. You know, it's funny. What is best? Now, because the... Great economic prosperity. I think Patrick decided today that he's not going to be boxed out. Yes. He is just going to muscle...

That's what's happening. He has things to say. He's going to jump in in the middle. And I love it. I feel like a train that keeps hitting a pebble. Why is my train not moving smoothly? Right. And it's that he has decided to be aggressive today and it's making for a bumpy ride.

Am I alone? Nope. Is it bumpy? Is it? Just trying to, you know, keep conversation. He's trying to be heard, Will. Instead of like, you know, just moving off a topic that we have like tons of meat on the bone here still. Oh, wow.

Instead of hosting. Tons. Instead of hosting. Stop hosting, Will. Yeah. Don't take control of the show. The tinfoil Pat show featuring Will. Yeah.

Like your favorite member of the Delicious says. Best. Now I'm going to divorce myself from the previous analysis of on the average, on the whole, for the average American. I have had nostalgia for a decade I did not experience much of. And I always sort of had this thing in my head. I do too. That the 70s would have been cool. And I don't know why.

I was alive. I was like you guys were alive for the 80s. I was only alive a little bit for the 70s. But there's something about, and it's not the disco BG's version of the 70s. It's more like the marijuana version. Janice. Well, it's like the Janice Joplinish. That's 70s, right?

The country music 70s. Yeah, that's cool. Like I love that. Like Willie Waylon, that's 17. That's, that's, he's 80s. Oh. That's when it gets a little poppier. I love Kenny, but he's more poppy.

That 70s country is rougher. It's outlaw country. Yeah, it's like you're going to ride a Harley with some tassels. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Cain Country. Two and five Canadians will hear the words you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself.

friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcf walk.ca.com. And they were making movies like The Godfather. They just feel like they made really good movies. They came out with good music. On the flip side, I know that they had like gas lines. You know, you had to wait in line for two hours to get gasoline and the economy wasn't great. in the 70s. Stagflation. Free love, baby.

Vietnam War was there for the first part of the 70s. So it's not like I can look at this on the average and go, oh, yeah, I bet the 70s were awesome. But for me, the 70s feel like the frontier. Like you still could live a wildlife. And then everything got a little tame after the 70s. That's kind of the nostalgia for me. I'm 60s. Rock and roll started that era, the birth of all types of music.

just being around that seems cool to me. I crave the 60s and just be able to experience that. Seriously. He just wants to not have to show. In my head, the 60s are a little too hippie for me. The hippie?

The 70s are hippies are there in the 70s. What do you think peak hippies? Like, what's stop? Peak hippies like 72. 71. I think peak hippies 68. Yeah. When did the Beatles do the whole

like India thing? like 67, 68. Was it really? Yeah. See, I think of them, I think of the early 60s, I guess, like the mod era and rock and roll starting like Eric Clapton. See, in my head it goes, 50s into early 60s is quintessential wonder years. It's good stuff. Like this is actually what we want for society and what we want for ourselves.

It's a family. It's madmen. It's sitting around the dinner table. It's Kevin in love with Winnie Cooper. You know, it's that. And then the 60s start to, like, throw bombs into that equation. Yeah, now the 60s get feminism. You got some hippies.

You got this rock and roll breaking through. And it's tumultuous. And it's also, for some reason, in my head a little effeminate. It starts to come in and everybody's wearing their bell bottoms and their flowers and things like that. And I'm like, guys, we're in heels. I don't think I would have, I don't think I would have been an early adopter hippie. I think I look at that and I'm like, that feels a little effeminate. We're not doing this San Francisco.

thing. You want to transform a version. Then, then what happens is all the like, you know, straight-laced dudes, the captain of the football team kind of go, some of these hippie girls are kind of hot, and they're actually having a lot of fun, and they're like, I'm going to grow my hair out a little bit, but I'm not going to stop wearing cowboy boots. And I'm going to take my country or my rock and roll, and I'm going to jazz them up a little bit, and then boom, you got 1973, and I think that's where I land, right there. 73. All right. You see. what I'm saying? That's a good progression.

Yeah, but the problem is all my heroes of that time, so like Chris Christopherson, I think they did keep the lefty part of the hit. What were the Cowboys like back then? Oh. Well, Cowboys didn't start until like late 60s, but

they were winning Super Bowls by seven, what was the first Cowboys Super Bowl? Mid-70s? 75? Call yourself a fan? 75 and 77 I'm actually bad at that over the dolphins 72

okay yeah yeah so you're right in that right that'd be a great error for you dogba captain America 70s love it well real quick I don't want to leave any meat on the bone and box them out

what are you going with 90s you're going 90s? You know in hell yeah you're going 90s 90s make the most sense like I'm a peak 90s guy I'm like 90s guy I'm like 90s

If you said what is your decade of coming up, mine's 90s, right? Yeah. That's 15 to 25 for me. And I liked the 90s. They were good. You got Nirvana and Grunge and Pearl Jam and all that coming along, right? But I don't know that it could be number one. I mean, I lived it flat out.

It was good, but why is it number one? It was fun. Everything was made for men. It was made for men. It was an era of men. Everything was extreme. Everything was extreme. The colors were vibrant. The music was great. Even like if you think about the top 40 music, most of it was alternative rock in some regard. Technology was exciting. It was on the verge. We were getting the internet. We were getting beepers, cell phones. You know, that was starting. But it wasn't like overwhelming. Late 90s. Mid-90s. Mid-90s. Not counting beepers. Car phones were, you know, mid-90s. Yeah. I mean, we had computers earlier.

92 you know like 91 92 so it's like you you you had like this technology was exciting we had a good economy they were a bummer they were a work tool nobody wanted to be around a computer not for us we had cd rom man we were like we were like 10 and learning to code yeah cd rom and what was that uh little mind game mind sweeper oh dude i yeah i don't know that where the hell at a minesweeper i had a commodore 64 you were the wrong age though you're you're you're working age working at you were in california not really that's 90s is high school in college for me yeah and then it's and in law school in fact i was in school for the entirety of the 90s for 10 years no but like we'd play organ trail like we go we'd go to the computer lab and they'd

play organ trail and stuff you know like we it was a good time yeah we learned how to like do we were we were the generation learned how to do things then we really got older and grew up in 2000 yeah you know that that was a real tragedy. I do think people over romanticized the 80s. Like, I did not dig the 80s music. Even when I was alive. I was like, this... The cure?

The Smith? Yeah. 100% Depeche Mode. Duran, Duran, all that. I was like, I don't know what everybody's doing, but I'm not into this. Forget the hair metal. I like it better now, Dan. I like it better now. I dug than I did at the time. I liked hair metal.

I liked poison and motley crew. Gross. And those kind of things. but I didn't like all that. What do you call that? New Wave. We called it New Wave back in the day. Joy Division. It's so good. Oh, God. All right. I want to go to a, not necessarily the Willisha, but Reddit. I actually liked this one the most, Patrick. This is what you sent him. All right, from Reddit. Want to swear more with friends.

Here's how it reads. Okay, this might sound very stupid to a lot of you, but I have a friend group of five, and I do not swear very often in this group. I really want to swear more, just because, like, I want to, to be honest. I want to joke with swear words and stuff like that. But the problem comes from the fact that I usually never swear, even back in school. It's kind of a thing of mine to not swear, but I regret that so much. I want to now. I know this sounds kind of corny, and you might think I'm very young, but this is a very serious problem I've been actually frustrated over.

My friends will be very confused and weirded out. Not a bad way, but more of a confused way, if I start swearing a lot now and might not be able to take it seriously because I remember trying this before years ago and had a friend tell me to stop because it felt weird, and so I did. Despite the stupidity of what I've written, this is something I really do want to change, and I will take all the advice from you. lot. Okay, I actually think this is interesting. Yeah, it's British. Yeah, I think so. The way, who says you lot in America? Their swear words are different. Okay, so first you read this and you're like, just swear dude, you know, or whatever, and you want to like make fun of him for not swearing. But I get what he's saying. There's got a lot of angles to this. So stick with it. He was the dude that didn't swear. They all did. And they got to know him as the dude that didn't

swear. And then if he all of a sudden starts dropping F bombs, they're like, what are you doing? That doesn't fit you. That's not you. Don't do that. You sound weird. And he's like, yeah, but I want to. And they're like, no, that's weird. And I totally get that dynamic. He's trapped by a choice of who he wanted to be earlier. Now, here's the wrinkle. You made the right choice. You actually should stick with your original choice. I'm a big believer. thinking. I mean, you can't change the dynamics of a friend group. That's just a big no-no.

It doesn't work well. Everyone's got to play their role. Can't be doing that. What if he said, I don't drink early on? And then later, he's like, I really want to drink. But every time I do they're like, what are you doing, dude? You don't drink. That's a big one.

Do they drink? No one would say that, though. I'm happy. Yeah, they drink. You're right. What's the problem? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Finally! Finally! I had to think of it like the show. Like, you know, we don't curse on the show. So, but like, then they said we could, but I still don't curse on the show. True. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Actually, I've, one time I got on to Ed, he can do it. But listen, I curse. I do. I don't even like that I said curse. I cuss. And I don't, I don't like, honestly, I don't like it. I tried to do it less. I don't, I don't.

I don't think it's... Love it. I'm not going to apologize anymore. Listen. Be yourself. But you're less interesting because you're defending your choice. I am criticizing my own choice and telling you what I objectively think is better from an outside perspective. Right?

So you are holier than now as a cursor. I'm telling you that I'm a hypocrite. and what I'm telling you is that it's better to not be a cusser. That's what I truly believe. I don't think it reflects well. I don't. I think it's fun and I think it's a crutch and I do it. And I think that there are times when it's the perfect emphasis on a moment or a statement or a sentence.

It can be a good punctuation mark dropped here or there. but that being said, I think it generally does not reflect well on the speaker. And I am one that does it. I'm telling you, I'm not like patting myself, I do it, but I do know why. Generally, generally, it's a crutch.

It's either a verbal crutch that you have, a lack of vocabulary, or a pretext. tense of coolness, crutch. That's what I think. I think when people are cussing gratuitously, they're doing it mostly for one of those two reasons.

But it's also super necessary. It's a real cheap, doesn't have a lot of currency, cool point that you put out on the table. Do you see what I'm saying? I'm cool. I'm cool. Yeah. Or...

The right moment you need the emphasis. So using swears in the right term. But it feels like a young... young man's game like swearing a lot. It feels like you do that when you're like 20, 25. You know, the older I get the lesson. The problem with that is it's a habit.

I know. It truly is a habit. Especially around new people. Like if I'm at the bar, we're out to dinner with somebody like, even if there's guys and we're, you know, being guys, whatever, I'd try not to as much because I do think the same. Like, it is just not necessary and people think about you a certain way or something like that.

But I could be on a high horse. I do think the one thing it serves a purpose on is it establishes a level of informality, intimacy, and anger. And comfort with another human being that should be, this is what I would say, should be reserved for that actually. Like, don't go into mixed company and do it. Don't go into places where you shouldn't be comfortable. You shouldn't be informal and do it. So it's like, and I think everybody kind of intuitively does that. Like you don't do that around strangers, you know, and you don't, but then you see one of your boys and you go, I don't get a shit. And you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, we're not putting on pretenses or something like that.

There's a little utility in that. Do you know what I'm saying? And you're like, okay, we're all letting our hair down a little bit and being. When I first started working with you, like the first time I saw you in person. and you like swore around me. I was like, all right, I'm in. Like, I felt that. You know what I mean?

He's comfortable enough to swear around me. Like, all right, I'm good. He trusts me. Now we can be cool. Now, I don't think that you should be going around cursing around kids and stuff like that. Like when you're in a mall and there are teenagers at one table and they think that they can go do that crap. I do their eye might be a nephew by accident. Yeah.

I mean, and I try not to do it around my kids, but there are certain words that I let go. Yeah, same, Patrick. And then I have, and I'm like, why did you do that? And that's really not cool. I still won't swear around my mom. I still won't swear around my mom ever to this day. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Cain Country. Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer.

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Which one is this, Dan? What do you have? Just one after the other, talking about Tapper. Okay, well, then you can say, well, you're doing this because you don't like Tapper. But that's not why this appeals to me. I'll tell you why. Listen to this. And by the way, he's with the buffoon Don Lemon play.

Were you friends with Jake, Tapper? No. I knew Jake forever. I've known Jake for 25 years. How'd you feel about the book? I think that Jake is a complete and utter asshole. I think that he is a really poor journalist. And beyond that, I don't think he's a very decent human being.

as a as a person i don't i don't like jake and so i guess what normally someone when asked a question like that like me is supposed to say is like oh well you know here's how i feel about it i think he's full of that's what i think wow okay um wow okay i like his answer a lot and not because i don't like Jake Tapper. First, okay, I think he's right. I think there are two ways to answer this question, both which come with suspicion, that are less than honest. One avenue that a person could, and by the way, the question is bullshit because

Baffoon knows the answer. Baffoon wants him to talk bad about his former colleague. I know that to be. Why would that even occur to you, right? So Hunter could do the politically correct thing. And like he suggests, he could say, you know, oh, you know, I've known Jake a long time, you know, disagree with a lot of his work while secretly saying, thinking I hate Jake, right?

And a lot of people would do that for whatever reason. They don't want to get into an online fight. They don't want to have public beef, whatever. A lot of people do that. Well, Hunter decides I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to be real. The other type of person is the one that is actually. actually looking for the viral clip, and we are chock full of those people right now,

that they know the soap opera of social media and media personalities is good for attention, and they would do it, and they do it for that reason. And you can almost feel it when somebody's doing that. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? I mean, right wing, left wing, they're all doing it all the time. It's like this whole thing has turned into a high school lunchroom. I don't think Hunter's doing that either. I don't think he cares about...

He doesn't give an ass. Like, I don't think he gives an F man. And I think he truly feels this way about Jake Tapper. And he's like, you know what? I think he's, I don't think he's a very good person. I don't think he's a good journalist. He would say to Jake's face, too, I bet he's a very good person. I bet he would too.

Right to his way. Yeah. I think he would. Yeah. If you think he's this charming now, imagine how fun he was when he was drinking and doing crack. Yeah. How much more charming. It's probably very charming.

Yeah. Yeah, he could have... Not so charming, he didn't have to pay for it. Yeah. But he got a nice job to pay for it. That's true. I mean, he charmed his way into a real nice gig. The Burisma thing that nobody will ask him about, to David Marcus's point,

no one will ask him about it. He's on every podcast in the world. He's literally, except for this one, except for this one. He's on every podcast in the world, and no one has asked him about, what did you do for Burisma? Why did you get that job? Yeah. I like him. Yeah, but he should run for president. Let's go.

So does Patrick. Patrick likes him. I'm saying. He's kind of like anarchist. That's why now. He's just like, it's just forget the system. I don't care. I'm going to be who I am. He's dirty. He's corrupt. He is degenerate. And he's also kind of authentic. And that, that authenticity is, is affording him. He sounds like young Joe, too.

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Yeah. Okay. So here's the story. I have not kept up with this story, but it has been lurking in the background of my attention for a while. Good Good, which is a golf company. What does Good Good Good do? They make drivers? Yes, I believe they make clubs.

I think they just make clubs. I'm not really sure exactly. Okay, Good Good Golf CEO and President are out at company in latest turn in advertisement Firestorm. So the story is Good Good put out an ad. offended everybody. And their main client is Callaway. So they must make clubs for Callaway. And Calloway has ended the contract with Good Good.

The two top guys are out. To clarify, they make fun golf entertainment videos. Yeah, they're not a... So I think they were working with Callaway drivers on an entertainment video. Oh, they're like influencers. So they're like a marketing firm. They're like, dude perfect. They're a golf marketing firm.

Yes. Okay. All right, and they made this ad, which has now made everybody very mad. Do not touch my new driver. Yikes. Is that the whole ad? That's it. It's like 15 seconds.

Yeah. Yikes. Really? Yeah. And that's the first time I've seen it. And? That's the first time I've seen that ad. Okay, for anyone listening,

um, ladies about to touch the driver in a bag and a dude comes up and shoves her from behind. She falls down, leans over and says, do not touch my driver. Why you smile and Patrick? Do you actually think it's funny? Dan's laughing. Dan's laughing. I'm trying not to laugh.

I's just like, why would you do that? Like, what are you doing? No political correctness. I have no political correctness about this whatsoever. It's not funny. Yeah, I don't think it's funny either. So it's supposed to mimic, what they said is it's supposed to mimic obsession. I guess there was a movie called Obsession.

I never saw it, but like it's supposed to be like a play on that. I've seen it. That's nothing like it, and that's stupid. Really? Not a good excuse, nope. Should I watch Obsession, Dan? You would not like it, I promise you. Oh, okay.

Yeah, don't do it. So everybody's really upset because he pushed a woman, right? Yeah. So it's like... It looked like a domestic violence ad. Like what not to do. By the way, I don't think... Do we call that?

that domestic, what does domestic mean? That's just assault, not domestic assault. Domestic means like in a relationship in a house. Unless there are a relationship. You don't have to be in the house. It could be between two partners outside a house anywhere. Fair, but they got to be in a relationship. Yeah, totally. So not every act of violence

between a male and a female is considered domestic whatever. It's the partnership aspect. All right, so he pushes a female and everybody's super, super mad. I saw you reference this, Patrick. Do you want to draw the analogy? to Terry Cruz?

Oh, yeah. So recently, there's this video going around, people are going, well, I hope people don't bring up this ad from ESPN with Terry Cruz from, I'm going to say, early 2000s. So go ahead and play it.

You know you can't bring that weak-ass stuff up in this humpy-bompy. You killed it, Joe. You made some of... Now that's funny. Now that's funny. That's Terry Cruz back in the day. He's dressed like an NFL linebacker.

He's wearing the full pads and everything. And he's what, the office enforcer at ESPN? When ESPN did the fun commercials. And he's running around the office just freaking spearing people, hitting them square in the chest. If they've done some office violation, like if you drink the last cup of coffee, you make a new pot of coffee type thing. And yeah, one of the people that he absolutely destroys, not the only one, but one of the people, God, dang it. Is this woman. I mean, she gets decleaded, decleaded.

Oh, we shouldn't laugh. I mean, good Lord. But that one's funny. I know. It's comedic. I don't know how to explain the difference in the funniness, but it is funny. It's over the top. It's like any other thing, yeah, it's over, anything that a comedian does you can get away with if it's funny.

Good Good Dad's not funny Honestly, I think I'm on the I'm never on the I'm never on the pitchfork side You're on my side? I think I'm on the pitchfork side Not because I'm offended I'm not offended I'm just like that's not funny Like and if you think that's funny

You're not good for our brand Yeah you're dumb Like just randomly shoving a girl For touching your driver is not funny Why would I want that associated with my brand? You know I agree Dan You should not have been laughing Dan Sorry.

But that's like, you know that that shove, they decided how hard they're going to go for this commercial, right? Like, they probably could have gone like a full tackle or a hit, and they just landed on that little shove. And that's so much worse than if he just had flat out tackled her. You know what I mean? Like, they're trying to be. I think you're right, actually. Yeah, like they landed on that. I think you're right.

Yeah. Yeah, if he didn't hit her like Terry Cruz at that lady. Yes, it was doing hilarious. commercial. You'd have been like, whoa, it's so over the top. Yeah. Take the golf bag with you and just wrap up both of them at the same time. You know, that's funny. But they decided to go with the douche, and it just looks like what not to do domestic violence commercial, PSA.

But also Calloway approved the ad. So it wasn't like, you know, people are over here, you know, like hiding this thing and they just released it randomly. It's like it went through a whole process. They're very particular. I used to deal with them. and they're very particular about their advertising. So I'm surprised that happened. Yeah.

Oh, God. That's funny. You liked it, though, Patrick. That's why this story, we're doing this story. You've been driving it for several days. You liked the good, good ad. No. You don't think.

Yes, you do, Patrick. Yes, you do, because you hate human beings in general. But only some more than others. Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah. Even though you hate women more than men, you also hate men. That's your only defense.

Right. Yeah, I'm equal opportunity. Equal opportunity. It's good. Not equal. No, not equal. Just opportunity for everybody. Unequal opportunity for everybody.

You kind of got to respect it, though. Sure. No, no. I pushed it because everyone's talking about it. He's not to get out of jail free card that he thinks it is. Like, if you were in like, Patrick is really, really chauvinistic in the office. In that basement in Jacksonville by himself. He's really, really chauvinistic in the office.

But his defense is, no, no, no. I'm actually a jerk to everybody. And they're like, oh. He's like, only a little more to women than men. Like, I don't think it. Does it work for you? I haven't had any problems. I don't think.

I might get good reviews. Because you sit in isolation. Yeah. No, I'm very nice to people, personally. You are? He goes against my nature. Yeah. People love me.

I'm lovable. I just, people love him. He's very tall. He works really hard. Hey, man, if you don't. I can show you my reviews if you want. You want to see my reviews? I mean, I can show you my reviews.

Yes, yes. Next Friday, I want that to be this episode. I want you to bring in your Fox reviews. That's 100% what I want. Next Friday, I want screenshots of reviews. Okay? I think it's against the company policies. Yeah, I'll get some people walking down the hall.

I'm going to run that up. I'm going to run that up. I'm going to run that up the food chain. I'm going to find out. We'll go live, too, on a Friday. You don't just get to say that. Yeah. So they can't stop.

Patrick's reviews next Friday. Live. It's going to be great. All right, that's going to do it for us today. We hope you have a good Labor Day weekend. We will be here when you come back on Tuesday. So follow us on Spotify or Apple. We'll see you again next time.

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