Will Cain Country - Biden's Border Threatens Americans! Will He Be Replaced?

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

Story #1: Across European elections last week, immigration was the biggest issue. But will it be in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania? Senator Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) joins the show to also explain why there is a 50% chance the Democrats will replace President Biden at or before the Democratic National Convention. Story #2: It's time for Will to take his medicine and be the bigger man. A tribute to the NBA Finals Champion Boston Celtics with the host of the Tyrus and The Wise Men Podcast, Tyrus. Story #3: OpenAI looks to dominate the market with their integration into Apple products, but not if Elon Musk has a say. The future of A.I. with A.I. Ethics Expert Reid Blackman. Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on Twitter: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One, Italy, France, France, and Germany, the biggest issue is immigration. But will it be in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania? Two, time to take my medicine. But I am a big man. I am the bigger man. So, I'm ready. I'll pay the piper. To young establishment, James, to Tyrus, to you.

to Boston. And three, Open AI looks to dominate Apple, but not a feel on Musk has a say, the future of

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I mean, that's probably what they say. You know, that thing about Will is he's a big man. So I'm willing to admit. I'm willing to admit today, all right? So just go ahead. Enter the chat, young establishment, James. Enter the chat, two a days. And if you want, even tinfoil pat.

I'm willing to be the bigger, it meant probably the biggest man. It was fun. The Boston Celtics were better. Way, way, way better than the Dallas Maver. and the Dallas Mavericks have now been consigned to the dustbin of history. You know, 2023, Dallas Mavericks. What is that?

Dallas Mavericks, NBA Finals. This isn't even, hey, you're a champion. I've got a towel that you wave. It's like a second place trophy. It looks like, I think, you know. It is. That's exactly what it is. And I'm going to hang it.

I'm going to hang my second place trophy right here in the Will Kane Show Studios. I think Charlie's going to be one of the most forgotten. The most forgotten second place trophies probably in history. Who did the Celtics beat in their second championship? But it will only be a few of us like me to remember. Dallas Maverick. There's some things in the studio here of Boston Celtics stuff. Got another thing for you if you want to.

Just to rub it in. Just to rub it in the wager from the Tyrus T-shirt. For the listener. You got me a Tyrus T-shirt? For the listeners, you got Celtics, Celtics jersey. Who's that? Like a little Kevin Garnett. Who's not possible NBA Finals?

I think on Saturday or Sunday I'll come in early to get it over to you I think I'm Saturday Sunday I'm supposed to wear an I love Tyrus shirt to pay off my debt here between the Mavs and the Celts I don't know if that jersey will work but leave it around maybe that'll work because I don't know if I have time to get to a screen printer to print up I love Tyrus

but there'll be some debt to pay so watch Fox and Friends weekend And I will pay more debt here a little bit later here on the Will Kane show as it's time to pay the Piper. Your 2024 NBA finals champion, not sadly the Dallas Mavericks, the Boston Celtics. But first, the issue that seems to drive elections from Europe to America. It certainly played a role in Italy, in France, in Germany, but will it play a decisive role in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Montana. Will it play a decisive role in America?

Let's get into that with story number one. He is a senator from Ohio, Oklahoma, the other state, along with Oregon, that starts with an O. But it is one that is near, if not dear, to my heart, Oklahoma, just over the Red River border. And it is Senator Mark Wayne Mullen here on the Will Cain Show. What's up, Senator? Yeah, so you get to eat crow now. We ate crow, you know, a little bit before to your team. So I really don't have anything to say, not to mention my family is vertically challenged.

So we wrestle. We don't play basketball. But I was really wanting to see the Mazz win just because if you're going to beat us, at least go all the way and finish it out and not get beat by Larry Bird's team. So whatever. I think that's worse, though. I'll just leave it setting there. the us you're referring to the us you're referring to being the Oklahoma City Thunder that is always an interesting thing like after you have been vanquished do you root for the person that beat you because it kind of makes you look better at least we lost to the champion or do you just keep hatred in your heart yeah I go back my wrestling days and fighting days if someone beat me I wanted them to be the best I don't want because then I'm not the second best I'm the third best or maybe the fourth best so

I want the guy who beats me in a wrestling tournament to go all the way. So the same thing here. We was rooting for the Mavs to go all the way, but you know, you got beat by the green team. So I really do think that's worse. I mean, because you've got to wear that green, I mean, what is sexy about that green jersey you got to wear? I want a picture of that, Will. And by the way, every time we talk about you, we definitely talk about you being the big man. I mean, that's definitely how we describe you around here.

That's right. That's the goal. If you say it over and over and simplify it, it becomes reality. I've learned my lesson of history. I'm a big man. I'm the biggest man. By the way, you know what's sexy about that Celtics jersey? The only thing sexy about any basketball jersey is that it's more sexy than a singlet.

I can think of nothing worse than the wrestling outfit. If you got a body like, why, we make the scenic look good, man. You know that. At least nothing. At least nothing for imagination, right? People know exactly what they're getting. That's where my wife fell in love with me in high school. I mean, she knew exactly what she was getting.

Yeah, it's some, you know, a singlet with some thin crust sold high tops. That's the best look there is, you know, in sports. By the way, before we move on to news, I'm again, you know, it's interesting you being from Oklahoma and you being into wrestling. You haven't grown up just probably, what, a hundred miles south of you, but on the right side of the Red River. wrestling back in our age group your major wasn't really a thing they might have had it like at you know fancy private schools in Dallas

where I now you know send my kids to school but they didn't have them like in Sherman Texas wrestling and I saw a map it's kind of interesting it said the South not the South and kind of the South it was on Instagram and Oklahoma was grouped in with like Kentucky and West Virginia in kind of the South

if we're being real like Texas is just kind of the South but you Oklahoma wrestling culture kind of illustrates, you've got a healthy dose of Midwest to your culture. You're kind of southern, you're kind of western, and you're a little bit Midwest. Because when I think of wrestling, I think Nebraska, you know, maybe the Dakotas, but into the Midwest, like Ohio and I guess like Illinois. I just think of Rust Belt Midwest, and yeah, dipping down and over into Nebraska and maybe a little of Oklahoma. Well, one of the best teams out there right now is Pennsylvania. Penn State is like, Penn State and everybody else.

And Oklahoma State is right there, which I got two boys that are, wrestle for Oklahoma State, one boy that wrests for the University of Oklahoma. But one of the best high schools in the state or in the country consecutively over and over again is Allen, Texas. They have one of the best wrestling programs over and over and over again. Now, they're kind of lower right now, but they'll come back. And it's interesting because there is no, there is no, no universities in Texas that have to wrestling either.

So we recruit a lot of those guys. In fact, I've got a kid that's intern for me right now that he wrestles at Oklahoma University, and he came out of, he graduated from Allen, Texas. That is interesting. The geographic scrambling of sports is, I can tell you, lacrosse is getting big in Texas, and that's traditionally like a, you know, northeast and Maryland sport. But it's kind of interesting to see these sports. I hate to lose our regional differences.

I actually like it. Before you know it, they're going to be playing water polo in Mississippi. Mississippi. You brought up Pennsylvania. It makes for a perfect transition. We talked about this last week, Senator here on The Will Kane Show, as European Union governments in France and Germany elected governments' representation in the European Union further to the right, it's presumed that the major guiding issue is migration, is illegal migration, it's refugee migration. And, you know, the question is, is how big a role is that going to play? in American politics. It played a massive role in 16, probably the singular biggest role

for the election of Donald Trump in 2016. The question is, how is it going to affect these not just presidential elections in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, but also the Senate races in those states? Do you think that Europe is serving as sort of a canary in the coal mine for what could just soon happen in America? I think you absolutely are going to see that. And you see it also the way that the campaigns are shifting, right? You see that President Trump is bringing in a lot of Hispanic votes, which isn't just immigrant, but however, the Hispanic vote is the fastest grown population in the United States. You can't find a construction site here anywhere in the country right now that you're not having Hispanics that are not just working there,

but they're the foreman's. And a lot of times now they're becoming the lead contractors on the site. you see that, you know, Trump, Trump is, is surging with that because the family traditional values, the strong religious background, the, just the traditional values that the Hispanic population brings in. The Republican Party is really the party that's embracing that, and the Democrat Party is going away from it, but yet you're seeing actions taken by President Trump. I mean, just today he did an amnesty executive order, which is. giving spouses of, of legal citizens here, or maybe not even citizens, like this, MPRs, or Biden, did I say, what I say, Obama, Trump, sorry. He said Trump, but yeah, Biden's executive order.

Thanks for the catch, that's why you're the big man, because you catch, you catch a little mistakes. So you see, you see Biden that did the executive order today that, that gave illegal spouses or amesty to, if they were married to illegal residents, and that, residents could be in illegal permanent residence or a citizen. That is to, that's to try to block and try to get some of that Hispanic vote back. And so you've seen what's happened in Europe. Europe politics are not much different than us. And so I think without a question, I will bet you start seeing a lot of the debate will move towards that. I bet you'll probably

see commercials that are being ran in Spanish. I would be willing to say that this could play a big role in a lot of the surrogates that's speaking for both candidates too, be it President Trump or President Biden at this point. Real quick, you bring up debate, and we have our first debate next week. I think for a lot of us, we're sitting here wondering, how does Biden, you know, do this? There are going to be some rules put in place that make it easier for Biden to do this. But how does he do this when we see this trip he took in Europe, you know, just physically, mentally age wise how does he do this do you know do you think senator that that i mean what do you think the probability is that joe biden is the nominee for president from from the democrats and i ask

you that because i'm curious if your answer is 100% probability or is there still some lurking possibility out there that it's somebody besides biden all right will you're going to take me down this flat earth conspiracy theory thing right so just just hold with me a second um i think it's 50-50. And the reason why I say 50-50 is, I'll go back, I got to set, I got to set just a little bit of it. I go back to even to where they did the investigation of his classified documents that he kept. You have the DOJ that's investigating it. The FBI made the lead. They sent out a report. The report starts talking really heavy about his cognitive behavior, which that had nothing to do with his, with him having classified documentations or not. And then why would they release the

cognitive behavior because that cognitive behavior could have been classified. It's the commander in chief of president of the United States, the most powerful position in the world, you're letting all of our adversaries know that there's a cognitive health issue here. So that could have been classified. They could have redacted that from the public sector. So why did they put that out there? I still am confused by that.

And then you go back and you see that they've scheduled this debate, which is before any of the conventions, it's odd. I don't know if that's ever happened, that you have a presidential debate. before either convention takes place. Will, you might have some people there that can research that. As far as I know, that's never happened in my lifetime. And so I would think they're still trying to see is if Biden can get a bump coming out of this because he's taking on so much water.

You're seeing reports come out that he's behind in all these battleground states. You see Trump taking the fight straight to them. I mean, Trump is in San Francisco. Why Bush didn't even go to San Francisco? So you're seeing a guy that walks into San Francisco and people are welcoming him and they're clapping for him and they're putting on a parade for him and he has a huge turnout. I mean, that's unusual, right? Same thing happened to Detroit. Same thing happened in Las Vegas.

And same thing happened when he was in New York. So I believe that the debate is to say, can we stop the bleed and can we get a bump? Now, go back, the State of the Union, people had very low expectations for him. Now, I had a set in the State of the Union. It wasn't a pleasant setting. But honestly, he didn't do bad. You know, he was witty. He shot back at some comments that was in the crowd.

He stayed on point. I'm not saying I liked what he had to say, but he definitely maneuvered like someone that was different than what you see when he's at the G7 summit or when he's putting his forehead to the Pope. I don't get that one. But his behavior wasn't the same what we was expecting. I would expect they're going to want him reform well.

And if he doesn't, then I'm curious of what they're going to do because there's rumors that they've got to nominate him before the Democrat convention because of the issue. I believe it's Ohio. I forget what state it is, but it's one of the states that on the eastern side of the country that has an issue with the convention is a week after they got to have something to do with the ballot. I'm speaking out of term here because I don't know the whole issue there, but I was told that they may have to have the nomination beforehand. And so if they had the nomination beforehand, they can't go to the convention and release the delegates based on the health of the President of the United States. And if they release the delegates, and this is why I say 50-50, if you actually are in the convention and you release the delegates, you don't know what you're going to get because most delegates are the activists in the party. So they're going to lean in the Republican side more to the right. And you're going to, and the Democrat side, they're going to lean more to the left.

and the left isn't going to help them. They, that they nominate somebody like Michelle Obama or Gavin Newson or Buttigieg or even Harris. That doesn't help them with the election. They actually have worse polling numbers than Biden does. So then they're going to have to have someone that's perceived, if there's any, that that even happens in the Democrat Party anymore, that's perceived more moderate. And I don't know if they can actually do that at the convention. But I do believe that they're looking for an alternative.

I just don't know if they can get it done. So the scenario that you just described as a 50-50 proposition is to release the delegates at the convention after in this scenario, we're playing out the gamesmanship here, a poor debate performance by Joe Biden, and the numbers continue to bleed. Once those delegates are released, though, your point is you have activists on the floor at the convention, and they're going to have the menu of options you just laid out for us, all of which you tell me are further to the left and poll worse than Joe Biden. But that leaves me one more sort of on this strategy, wondering, you know, you don't move from A unless you understand what will be B. And this mystery that you described, I think, is accurate. I don't think they know where they would go. And without answering what is B, you can't really leave behind A. I think they do.

I think they know where they want to go. I just don't know if they can get there. And who I think that is? I think it's Hakeem Jeffries. If you think about Hakeem Jeffries being the leader of the House right now for the minority, Hakeem, and I'll just go back to this again, Will, I'm chasing rabbits here with you, but why did Hakeem give Kevin McCarthy the gavel? That wasn't his gavel.

He'd never had the gavel. That gable technically belonged to Nancy Pelosi, and why, when they handed it to him, he did a 15-minute campaign speech. And then since he's been leader, how many pictures have he seen him with President Biden? None. He's not ever at the White House. He's not meeting with President Biden. He's taken several positions away from the White House, which I served with Akeem. That's not natural for Akeem. Akeem is not, he's not moderate. He's actually very liberal, but he's likable. And you can be in a room with him and you can actually like the guy. Like I got along with him.

He's actually pretty funny. But he's not a conservative. He's not moderate at all. But he has, he's taken the position completely opposite on the woke movement, on the anti-Israel movement, the pro-Palestine movement. He's taken completely different positions from the White House on that. And then he's saved Speaker Johnson's bacon, which I would say if he didn't step in on that, there would have been, I would say we probably still wouldn't have a speaker. There's a good chance we still wouldn't have the speaker. And so then when you start breaking down the legislation that he's partnered with, it's shown himself as a moderate. He had, Pelosi would never have worked with us. And Hakeem was no different. Hakeem wouldn't have worked with us. He never worked with us a single time

when he wasn't in leadership. So I think they're trying to pay. him as somebody that they can bring him and he's the Obama quest type individual that he's he's kind of easy on eyes he's he's he's he's he's likeable you want to sit down and have a drink with a guy and I uh and he's he's personal even more personal than I would say that Obama was so I believe that's probably where they would like to go I just don't think they can get there wow what a what and I understand that you're you took the time to walk down the road of your flatter theory but what a series of events, you know, informed speculation, I would say, understanding the machinations

behind the scenes and the personalities of these people of a 50-50 proposition of moving on from Joe Biden and potentially trying to get to Hakeem Jeffries. Wow. Those are things I had not. I'm not sure many people are considering at this point, Senator. Well, keep in mind, I'm just a country boy from Westville, Oklahoma. It's, you know, I don't know what I know, right? I mean, I grew up in a time called Westville because as far as it's east in Oklahoma. How do you getting the name Westville. So that'll tell you, they'll tell you how much I know, but I'm just, I'm just reading the tea leaves, if you would say.

Well, okay, I want to go back to this idea of immigration for just a minute then. So, well, actually, before I go back to immigration, I have one more question for you on this, on this Joe Biden issue. You talked about it. Like, you were a little bit taken aback by how well he did at the State of the Union. And people have warned against these low expectations for him going into the debate. But then you see these images of him like, like you said, putting his head against the Pope and wandering around led by Obama at a Democratic fundraiser in California. So what do you think is going on there?

Like, do you think, and let's consider all the options, do you think he is being as is what would be said by MSNBC or Corrine Jean-Pier, unfairly edited out of context by the right and having these moments, you know, played on loop by people like me at Fox, is it that option? Is it that he's getting up for the big moments, and for now, let's say, by any means possible? People always leap to performance-enhancing drugs, but it doesn't have to be performance-enhancing drugs of some kind. It could be, hey, President Biden got a full-night sleep last night, so he's really clicking on all cylinders and whatever a full-night sleep means. It could mean 14 hours, right? And, you know, which isn't ideal that a president needs 14 hours on a day-in, day-out basis to operate at his full capacity. but how do you explain the seeming variance in his performance? Well, I don't think he can fake that all the time.

I believe what they did for the State of the Union is they got him a tremendous out of rest. They probably gave him a lot of B12 and a lot of vitamin D. And he was well rehearsed, but yet he was still quick on his feet. So I think they put him in a position that he was comfortable in. I believe if you look at his health, I mean, you saw him, you know, at Norman where he was walking down and it looked like he was dragging his right side.

From someone that's had strokes in my family, you recognize that pretty quick. From someone that also has Alzheimer's in your family, you recognize the look in his eyes, and anybody that dealt with that understands that. You see him being lost. And as my wife said, it's her position. I've been married to the lady for 27 years,

because once again, she found me sex in my wrestling singlet. She, you know, she had to throw that one out, Will. You had to get that one. So, but she said, that's my job, right? If you're being an embarrassment, that's my job. But I'll go back to a meeting that it's time to come home. She said, I'd grab you by the arm and say, honey, it's time to come home. So Jill should be doing that.

But I'll go back to some of my Democrat colleagues have said, is that the Biden's are, and these are friends of mine, very close friends of mine, who are not, they're publicly supportive of Biden, privately they're not, is that the Biden family is a very selfish family and that he's willing to stay there and bring the whole house down that they have to because he's not wanting to go anywhere. You can't explain his behavior other than there's some magical drugs out there that do help people, but you can't say that he doesn't have cognitive issues. I mean, the FBI even said that, which takes me back to the fact that that they gave them a medical reason to say if he's behind enough come to convention to build a pulling for medical purposes.

I'm not kissing your butt here, but you're pretty good at connecting logical dots from, you know, which is the whole point of like human. persuasion. But yeah, from a special prosecutor to the FBI, acknowledging that he has a cognitive disorder or cognitive impairment of some kind, you can't really run out on TV and go, it's actually Trump who's slipping. You're just defying every logical step. And you're interestingly taking it the next step. But why do we even know that information? Does it feed into this idea of whether or not Biden will be the nominee? By the way, don't let a guy that wore a speedo for most of his life. And then when he got to college, a little cap with ear protection, make fun of your singlet. Although I would argue it is.

sexier than a singlet. It's still... I don't know. You guys were in cold water. I'm not saying that's too sexy. That's fair. That's fair. Okay, back to immigration.

I disagree with a little bit of the direction you took immigration. I think it's interesting you pointed out that your analysis on when I asked you about the impact of immigration was the courting of the Latino vote. But, okay, I'm going to set aside the ethnic or racial factions in the voting process for a moment. The issue itself, I don't. think plays. And whether or not you're Latino or not in America, whether or not you're African American or whether not you're white. And that is that most polls, and this shocks everybody somehow that's on CNN, show that 60% of Americans support President Trump's idea of deporting

illegal immigrants. I think you could then ask the logical question, but would they stomach seeing it on their TV? But yeah, they support it in concept. I think that illegal immigration, and when you combine it with the national security threat that we've seen, what, six ISIS, individuals last week, affiliated ISIS individuals who crossed the southern border were apprehended. A guy who just murdered a lady and crossed illegally four times, you know, is

part of this whole thing. I just wonder if this is not an issue that decides elections. And I'm also wondering if it can, in its current state, or, you know, there was a presidential analysis center that said, as long,

and this would reject your and my's theory that might replace Joe Biden. The guy that's gotten every election right since 1984 said stability enables the incumbent. That's why he says it'd be so stupid to replace Biden. But unless something dramatic happens, Biden is the favorite, is the analysis. And that dramatic thing could be a war, it could be the economy, or it could be a terrorist attack. And I just wonder if illegal immigration is enough to swing an election without it being part of some bigger surprise, is like the terrorist attack that it's inevitably enabling somewhere in our future.

Right. So let's break down the stability part of it. The stability is truly why incumbents win 75 to 80% of the time. That's true. But the reason why the stability is because everything in their world is going okay. No one can sit around and say that that's going okay right now, right? We have the highest credit card debt than we've had and ever recorded. You have the average American spending over 11,

thousand dollars per month per year right now to just maintain the lifestyle they had before which is why you had the credit card debt going up so people aren't adjusting their lifestyle they're looking for a change they're hoping the reason why they haven't adjusted their lifestyle is because they're thinking things are going to get better you can't sit there and look and say that that it's going to get better underneath Biden so things change and then if you have a terrorist attack a terrorist attack underneath uh bush 43 you saw it jump right because he wasn't blamed for that there's no way we could have a terrorist attack today that wouldn't be blamed on Biden it just can't happen it's because it's everybody will tell you it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when

something like this takes place so then you go back and you start you start looking at at immigration why is trump doing so well on immigration at 60 percent because legal immigration those that came here legally they left a place that looks similar to what we're having happened right now on the side the United States. They wanted a brighter future. They didn't want the legal immigration. They didn't want the crime in their streets. They left a third world country. What separates a third real country from a first rule of country? It's the lawlessness. The lawlessness is that no one respects the rule of law in a third world country. That's why when you're driving or when you're going down the streets or when something's happened, you always got to be extremely cautious. In the United States,

unless you're in the wrong neighborhood, used to, you could feel relatively safe no matter who you were what you look like. And so the immigrants, those that are legally here to able to vote are they're wanting to have stability back in the United States with the exception of one ethnic group. And that's this activist wing from the Middle East from the, from the Democrat Party. They want to fundamentally change the United States. They want to change it. And the way you change it to what they're wanting to change it to is from disorder.

So something can come back. replace it. And that is, that's just factual. That's not an argument. You can't argue with that. That's just the facts of the nature. And so all the other ethnic groups are saying, hey, we don't like the direction the Democrat Party has taken us. That's why they're moving towards Trump. And Trump speaks to him. He has this persona of being a tough guy, a guy that they, they feel like can be trust because they're attacking him. So if the government's attacking them and he's standing up to the bully government, then that must be a guy that we want to, we want to be part of. All right, last thing I want to ask you about, and I tease it several times.

I did mention like Michigan and Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Montana, and I didn't just mention them in how they play for Joe Biden versus Donald Trump. Winning the Senate where you sit is a very important part of this picture. Republicans, and I'm just looking at the real clear politics averages, they have 47 safe states for Republicans. This is a defensive election cycle for Democrats, only 40 safe for the Democrats. And so the states that I feel like everybody's pointing to, and you can tell me, I know you're very active in this, Senator, it's not just your traditional battleground states like Pennsylvania or Ohio or Michigan or Wisconsin, but also Montana, where Tim Sheehee, former Navy SEAL, is running as well. You need four, according to this chart, right, to get the majority in the Senate.

Where do you think those are most likely to come from, those four? So, would you get 52? We need two to be, we need two to get to 50, 53 to get to 51. So you have West Virginia a lot. You know, Governor Justice, that's there. I would be your second win is Tim Sheehe and Montana. Donald Trump's up by 22 points up there. Tim Sheehee is now even with Tester.

There is no way, and actually some polls have him ahead of Tester by two. In fact, Democrats have actually moved that to more of a red than a purple state. And it's very hard for Tester to come over 22 points. I mean, that's very, very difficult. And he's never been on the ballot with Trump, so he's not been tested there. So I believe that puts us at a 50, 50. And then number three, you could put either Governor Hogan and Maryland, who is still up by 10 points. He was taking on some water there for a little bit. He dropped from 16 to 10. That's absolutely stopped now. He's stabilized. He's still holding at 10%. And then you have Bernie Marino in Ohio. That is just killing it. And now, Trump's also up by two points. So he, so are 17 points in Ohio. Bernie Marino is now level with Cheryl Brown. So they're also, level at this point, which isn't a good point for an incumbent. So I feel like right there

between those four, we're at 51 or 52 really easy. And then you haven't talked about what's happened with Mike Turner in Michigan or Dave McCormick in Pennsylvania. You haven't talked about New Mexico. Oh, what is her name, Nili Dmitzsche, her, Nili Tamichie, her her father was a senator from there for a long time, very popular guy, Pete Dmiti. And that's before you get into Sam Brown, who I'm going to be with in Oklahoma on Thursday and Nevada. And he's doing remarkably well.

I mean, this guy is just, if you haven't had him on, Will, you should have him on. He's just talking about a war hero. Oh, yeah? Him and T. Shih, both are war heroes. But Sam Brown is just awesome. I know who you're talking about. Yeah, he's got the, he's got the,

burn, burn, yeah, he got burned over 80% of his body in Afghanistan, met his wife in San Antonio at the burn center and she's just no nonsense. Don't give me, she's show me results, but I still love you type personality. And you're scared of her, but you don't want to disappoint her. That's, that's, and so that's a power couple. You have, you have Kerry Lake, I think is probably got the most difficult road out of everybody I'd literally name there. I think she has the most difficult road in Arizona. And the reason why I say that is because the last person to get over 50%, in Arizona as a Republican was John McCain, and he did that on his second to last election. So his last election, he only got 49%. That's where that third party candidate plays a big role in this. And I believe if Kirstenna would have stayed there, Kerry Lake would have had an easy road there. I think Kerry Lake can get 45% all day.

I think her hard number is 48%. Now, what plays a role in Arizona is, the border that is becoming a bigger issue every day in in and let's say Phoenix where that's a strong Republican held area uh that's and then you go to Scottsdale too which is a strong Republican held area that those two areas um are getting more and more concerned about the border and immigration issue that could be a pivotal role and you'll see you'll see how that plays out as a top the ticket. So if Donald Trump wins Arizona, Kerry Lake wins Arizona. So it's, that's a quick breakdown of them. I could die deep, but I've been to these states, I've campaigned with these

individuals. I've had them in New York. I've had them in Oklahoma or in D.C. doing events for them. And I'll be on the road going to all these states too come October. You know, Senator, I've always been like, you know, attracted to the frontier. Like I like books about the frontier. I like TV shows about the frontier. I like to be on the edge of things. You know, like the perception that on the other side of whatever this edge is, it's wild, you know? Like, I like the ocean. I like the beach because it's like an endless possibility of adventure right there on the ocean. Well, my dream property is, yeah, well, my dream property is right on the Red River.

I want to be right on the south side of the Red River looking out into the wild frontier that is Oklahoma, you know, that untamed land that one day I may go conquer. I may just decide to take my horse across the shallow Red River and go up there and play. plant a flag for Texas. But until then, I feel good that it's in your hands, you know, in Washington. I would caution that. It's still Indian territory. You don't do very good on football, so I'm just saying. I think I feel good about the future, though.

That's the point. In football and in conquering Oklahoma. I grew up, by the way, I grew up where the bathroom stalls at the bar had graffiti that said the border patrols on the wrong border. You know, so. And once you get off this call, I'm going to explain to my producers exactly what Eastern Oklahoma is like. And as soon as you're gone, though, as soon as you and your singlet right off into the sunset here and can't wrestle me and cause any damage.

Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, great to have you on the show. Really fit into this vibe exactly perfectly. Serious, but fun. Thank you so much, Senator. Appreciate it. Talk to you later. Bye. All right.

Mark Wayne. Mullen of Oklahoma. You guys, by the way, two a days and young establishment, you don't know about eastern Oklahoma. If there was one place that my dad said, I don't want you to go to, like, you know, late night, don't drive over there, don't go over there. It's, it's, it's, yeah, what is that? I mean, it's, it's, it's wild. It's history. And it always has been, man. It's like, did you guys ever see the show? And I think the last time Senator Mullen was on our show, he talked about it, um, about the, um, Bass Reeves, Bass Reeves, Bass Reeves, the, the federal marshal out of, uh, Fort Smith, Arkansas, a black U.S. Marshall. And his job was to go into Indian territory, because this was the last lawless land

in America, eastern Oklahoma, you know, where it just, and, and his, and he kind of just ran the corner from where Mark Wayne Mullen is from, down to where I'm from, Grayson County, Texas. And I don't know, man, and to this day, to this day, it's like, you know, I mean, I don't know, if you wanted to have your best chance of scoring crystal meth, it's probably in Eastern Oklahoma, noted. Wow, we're just getting, the lines are ringing up, like, lighten up from Oklahoma over here. No, I love and hate Oklahoma like a cousin, you know, just my cousin. cousin, that you don't, you don't take to the fancy party.

And now, I love Oklahoma. I do. I do. And that's why I tell the truth about Oklahoma. All right, coming up, time for the truth. Time for my medicine. Because on this side of the Red River, the Dallas Mavericks lost to the boys up in Boston. That's next on the Will Cain Show.

inviting you to join me for Fox Across America where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats' dumb ideas. Just kidding. It's only a three-hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the podcast at Fox Across America.com. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy host of the Trey Gowdy podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side. Listen and follow now at Fox News Podcast.com. Time to take the medicine, time to pay the piper, time to let go of the little Dallas Mavericks. It's the Will Cain Show, streaming live at foxnews.com on the Fox News YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, and always on demand. Hit subscribe, Apple, Spotify, or on YouTube. All right, I've already been, you know, the big man.

I don't know that I've taken my medicine, but I've showed my integrity this morning by television. telling young establishment, James. Hey, the Celtics, the better team. Way better, way better than the Mavericks. So much so that I don't even know, we're going to remember who the Celtics beat in the finals in 2024. My only consolation, by the way,

is he wearing a championship Celtics hat already on the Will Kane show? No, it's just a generic hat. That would be... Why is it a hat day? Why is it a hat day? If you got that at TD, that's why he said. It's the won a championship.

You could put on a Celtics hat. I don't say, I don't know. What's, what's the criticism here? Well, there's a lot of criticism. I mean, you're a thematic dresser, for one. You know, Doug Bergam comes in, you throw on a blazer the Celtics win. You throw on a hat. And I think it's an insult to Senator Mullen. I think it's an insult to Senator Mullen. For one, no blue blazer today for the senator from Oklahoma, eastern Oklahoma. I agree. He seems more of a rough-and-tumble button-down kind of guy.

Then Doug Bergam from North Dakota, where you put on your blue blazer. Well, we got... I see some distraction here. We got a caller on the line. Get back on the topic. Yeah. What? The topic of the Maverick versus the Celtics?

Here we are. It's Tyrus. He's ready. He's ready to take his lap. How are you? How are you holding up? don't don't concern troll me don't foe concern me tyrus listen listen i want you at your best i'm throwing a will king watch party this weekend for fox and friend weekend i am excited i'm going to start to barbecue early

like it's going to be a whole thing listen i know you made some bold predictions and i said that you know the inside game was going to be an issue and and hopefully that young rookie will learn to think before he speaks because he definitely didn't figure them out but um no you know what i i think was the series comes down to this karma is a bitch and and and hirre irving had karma to pay and i think uh had it been had the mavericks played any other team in the east, Luca and Karee were enough. And I'm just putting that out there.

But, but, but, um, Karee not only abandoned those young men, there was some questions that whether he could have played or not have played in that game seven, uh, with, with LeBron and how we,

you know, carry himself afterwards. Those guys don't forget because they looked up to him. And he kind of like, you know, and then, like Big Brother left home under really bad circumstances, and the little brothers grew up. And when he came back, he was in Vegas.

I don't want you to turn this into a soap opera, because here's the thing. I'm going to give one of the soap operas. I know, but I'm going to give you the more boring truth. It's also going to be rose petals. I don't care. Kyrie didn't show up for these finals. That's a fact. Luca wasn't very good in these finals.

That's a fact. But here's the truth. It's because the Celtics were so good. You play incredible defense, and everybody. can hit a three, as you and I talked about before this series. And every time I'm looking up, Tyrus, I'm like, oh my God, there's another guy, half a step open,

nailing a three. Mavericks guys, by the way, half a court open, can't hit a three. So I just, I think here's the bottom line. You play that, you play that series ten times, the Celtics won it 10 times. Now, maybe the Mavericks the Pacers or the Bucks. Yeah, Tyree's never going to win a game. Maybe that's the soap opera

story. As long as Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown's there, Kyrie's never winning a game in Boston. That's just, you forget the fact of just wanting the game to go up against the guy that walked out on you is even bigger. But there was a lot of heroes in that series. The biggest thing I think is, you know, Luca's got to look at being in shape because the Celtics did exactly. Brown's like, we're just going to make him work every play, and then he won't have any gas in the fourth quarter. I saw that.

And that was kind of the way it went because I think their mindset was, let's say, let him get his 35. let's say Tyree gets 30, who's going to get the rest? And it wasn't Washington, damn sure it weren't Jones, like just the other guys who really, although I thought Exxham played well, I was surprised that they didn't go to Hardaway sooner. I mean, that was kind of a big thing. It's too little. I think, yeah, I think the size. You got Drew Holiday.

I mean, you've got too many dudes. And by the way, one more basketball point. I actually take hope. I take hope from the Celtics. I do think there's a thing in the NBA that you've got to go through the hard times to get to the good times. Like, you've got to suffer. And you guys definitely did. This was a long project in the making for Tatum and Brown and for the Celtics.

And I think Luca has to go through this to become a champion. Because when they traded Marcus Smartaway, I was serious. I mean, I was like this. And this was before we got the Trailblazers Christmas gift of Drew Holiday. I was like, what are we doing? You know, because the only guy with ice in his veins at clutch time was Marcus Mark and Derek White. It was, you know, Brown showed signs of it, his first year in the league. He had a big shot against Utah to go ahead.

But Tatum and Brown in the playoffs and those clutch moments when it really matters have had to add some issues. So it wasn't, you know, and Brown just became that guy this year. So, and also help. What, Tyrus, and everyone else around? What am I wearing? I have a Celtics jersey or I have a, do you have a shirt for me and I love Tyra's shirt? What am I wearing on Fox & Friends? I'm going to swing by on Friday.

I believe that's your sports edition of your podcast. He's going to just pop my head in just to check on you because I've been there. You know, Golden State, you know, I had to listen to text from Snoop who was, you know, the world's biggest bandwagon fan. You don't go from Lakers to go. Yeah, front runner. Or Steelers, the Raven. And so I question is integrity with sports sometimes. And I think I can do that.

Thank you. But, you know, but I took it on the chin. And you know what? You didn't dump anybody, man. I will bet with you anytime, especially if it's math. You know, but hey, the Red Sox made a statement this weekend. Everybody's putting their big boy pants on in Boston. So maybe we have to have another bet when the Rangers play the Red Sox.

I don't know. Have some fun. I counted it up. 13 titles in 24 years between the Bruins. and the Celtics and the Red Sox and the Patriots. I mean, you guys don't, you're more often celebrating a championship than you are not. Growing up as a Red Sox fan. Ridiculous run.

With the Stanley not covering home play, having to deal with just being murdered by the Yankees at a consistent basis, you know, as a child, the Patriots made it to the Super Bowl. And I hadn't even quite understood what football was yet, but I knew a murder when I saw one. So, you know, the Antoine Walker error, like we just, we've had a lot. We just got used to always kind of be in there and finding a way to you fought in a Tom Brady miracle happened. So we've been very lucky at Boston fans. We really can't complain. Well, no one feels happy for you now.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. No one feels happy for. And, hey, I got to run. I've looked in for bandwagon Celtic fans. You're not welcome. Stay out. The water's not. I might have one.

I can find one real easily. Have fun with your Fox and Friends weekend. One thing, if I can say one thing to the Mavericks Nation, get with Luca, and it's called CrossFit. Check it out, Luca. And with that... Have fun at your Fox and Friends weekend watching party. They're Tyrus, who I have to pay my bet this weekend.

Solid guy. Let's see. Can I find... Can I find a Celtics bandwagon fan? I don't know. Oh, right there. Wow. Oh, right there.

Right on the screen. In my control room. It doesn't, that doesn't expire after 17 years. Who do you think? Bigger frontrunner. James, young establishment James, or Snoop Dog? Snoop Dog. At least mine made sense.

Snoop Dogg's changing past the age of 40. I don't know. It's close. You pick a team. at eight and you stick with it for life. You pick a team at eight and you stick with it for life. Patriots all over the place. Yankees.

Interesting. Interesting set of choices. There. I guess, you know what? Had you picked the Red Sox? I would have been fine. Had you picked the Red Sox, you would have had more championships in your lifetime, right? By three. Yeah.

Yeah. You weren't even born. for the for the uh yankees 90s run very technically speaking but not in the talking stages yet no you weren't there unaware weren't there all right congratulations tyrus congratulations i guess young establishment james let's get back into some serious issues here on like should you take your apple phone and lock it up in a faraday locker whatever that is that's what elan must says he is not happy about the the partnership between open ai and apple and that's Next on The Will Cain Show.

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Is it going to get easier with Open AIs potential partnership with Apple? It's the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com. The Fox News YouTube channel on terrestrial radio across this great U.S. of A. But always on demand by subscribing at Apple or Spotify or on YouTube. Reid Blackman is the author of Ethical Machines. He's also the founder and CEO of Virtue, which is an AI Ethical Risk Consultancy. and he joins us now in the Will Cane show. Hey, is open AI ethical, Reed?

Probably not. I mean, you know, closed doors, but it doesn't look great from the outside, that's for sure. Whoa, is there an ethical open, is there an ethical artificial intelligence? Yeah, sure. I mean, so look, if you're asking about a company and its practices, there's the products that they make, then there's the practices that they have. So is the product ethical? plausibly does it I mean there's there's problems with it so there's talk about like it's a black box we don't know how it operates that raises some ethical red flags it can be biased in various ways politically and otherwise that are are not great so that's a problem with the product then there's the privacy practices of open AI that's totally opaque so where does this data go what do they use it for how do they use it how do they collect the data in the first place to train their AI that's that's opaque. So there's one question about their practices, which they could be more,

they could be more transparent than they are. And then those are questions, there's questions about how ethical is the product itself. Well, Reed, help me understand the market for just one moment. Okay. Yeah. You got Grock, which is Twitter's AI. Google has an AI. There's open AI. Apple actually says they have a different AI of their own. You know, there's a lot of different AIs. So I want you to give me an analogy. Like, is, is this year one or two of the social media? Like, are we in the MySpace phase of social media? Or maybe it's software, you know, or maybe even the internet browsers, you know, where who was the first big one? Wasn't it? It was like Netscape, maybe, you know. I think, you know, I remember using Netscape and then.

Safari, and I still use Safari, because it's loaded on Apple, by the way. Sure, yeah. But, you know, where are we in that stage? Because I think, don't you guess that the situation is similar to all of those other examples we just gave, whether or not it's browsers or software or social media companies, there will be a consolidation and a domination by one, two, or three companies. There already is that consolidation. for the most part. I mean, you've got, you know, like you said, this is the one you mentioned.

There's also anthropic. There's, you know, there's, META has their own Lama, Lama 2. I don't know what they are now. But there's already a consolidation. One of that makes it very different from the Internet browser age is that it's phenomenally expensive to make these things. And we're talking, you know,

hundreds of millions, billions of dollars to create these things. The processing power, the data that needs to be stored, the data that needs to be ripped off the Internet, is an extremely expensive. the proposition. So while you could have a couple of kids, you know, out of Stanford in a garage pulling together a new internet browser, no big deal, creating an LLM that can compete with the likes of an open AI, that's not, that's not on the table. That's not possible. So is open AI already won, read? Are they Microsoft? I mean, they're embedded in Microsoft. So Microsoft is a major

investor in Open AI and is embedded in Microsoft's like Office 365 open, chat chip BT is embedded in all that. They haven't won yet. I mean, there's a really interesting move that they're doing now with Apple, right? So Apple just had their developer conference where they announced that now there's Apple intelligence, which is really just Apple's partnership with OpenAI. But as the reporting goes, there's no money exchanging hands, which is kind of curious. So apparently Open AI is still willing to do things for the sake of exposure. And you don't do that. I don't think if you've already made it, if it's already sort of said and done that you're the winner. But so Elon Musk is extremely upset about this idea that Open AI is going to be in this partnership with Apple.

Now, he's making all the ethical arguments that we started this conversation with about privacy and so forth. But obviously, he's a competitor as well with Open AI. So what is his real concern here? Is his concern that you get in, like I made the mention a moment ago of, you know, Safari's just sitting there. You have to download, you know, your Google browser or whatever it may be. Sofarie's sitting there on your Apple device and that gives it a real piece of market share right? So I assume this gives

Open AI a huge piece of market share and that's got to upset Elon Musk. I suspect that it's less that he's concerned about the market and more that he just bears a grudge against OpenAI. He was one of the founders of Open AI and then there was big infighting, et cetera. He decided to leave completely.

So I suspect that he just has a grudge justified or not against Sam Altman and Open AI. So it doesn't surprise me that he would come out and saying, this is all, this is no good. The other thing is that it's not clear how OpenAI or how ChatGPT is going to integrate with Apple devices. It's not, as far as we know, going to be like your Safari app that you just find on your iPhone because it's still a separate entity.

You have to, it's not clear yet, but it's like you've got to go to Safari, go to OpenAI.com or whatever it is, and then subscribe for $20 a month. So it's not as seamlessly integrated as a browser. it's more akin to like having Netflix on your phone, right, where you've got to go to Netflix.com, create an account, pay them their monthly fee, and then you can access it to your iPhone. It's more like that. So there's extra steps.

It's not like your browser. So again, they're getting exposure. They're getting access to Apple's audience, which is sizable, but it's not that, it's not as seamless as your browser. So it's not that market share yet. You know, Elon Musk's threat is that, maybe I should just make a phone, you know, maybe I should compete with Apple. The, you kind of referenced it a minute ago, but the thing about technology we've always said,

oh, the kid in the garage can come in and disrupt. And we always talk about, you know, Facebook to MySpace. And we talk about early, not early adopters, but early pioneers in tech space and how they're not always the winners. And the idea is, well, technology is easy to disrupt. And so no one's ever safe at the top. but I'm curious if that's true still, as you point out, it's probably not going to be true because the resources needed to create a new artificial intelligence. But even on the phone, like, I wonder how safe is Apple with the phone?

Like, everybody has an Apple phone. I know there's the Samsung phones out there. But like, do you think this is an unassailable market position at this point for Apple? There's a reason Elon Musk is upset as well about the partnership between the two of them. It's because this thing, Apple's iPhone, is so powerful. Yeah, I mean, there's a bunch of things that could chip. First of all, you know, the Android phone has a good piece of the market. So they're not, it's not like Apple really dominates everything.

It's the most expensive phone out there, as far as I know, or on average, it's the most expensive phone. So that's one issue. But other issues with that, they haven't done much lately with the phone. There hasn't been any interesting innovation with the phone. They just keep slapping on more lenses by the camera and hoping that's going to do it. But sales have slowed for Apple iPhone because they haven't had a interesting innovation in a while. I still have the iPhone 12. Why should I get a bigger one?

Why should I get another one? It's not clear why. So they're not doing anything interesting or innovative with their phones, not lately. Allegedly, their new Apple intelligence, their version of AI is supposed to help. It's supposed to really be a way of upgrading the phone because it's going to upgrade Siri. So you can sort of talk to your apps and then integrate them more. I'm saying, hey, I got to go drive to my friend's house in California tomorrow. It's a four-hour drive.

What's traffic going to be like and what's the weather going to be like? And it's supposed to understand all that. Search all your weather app, your Google Maps, whatever it is, then give you an answer. So that might be some kind of way of capturing customers. But the truth is that Apple showed a very controlled demo so far. We haven't seen it in the hands of live users. So we don't actually know if it's going to be any good. if it's as impressive as they want it to be

yeah it's going to keep people with the iPhone if it's not people will continue to just to leave the iPhone just not buy new ones until they really have to so last thing on this AI I was literally coming into this conversation I have this feeling I know this I need to be using AI

you know and I know already the ways in which we could use it you know what I talk about on this show could be turned into you know text monologue articles you know there's just so many different things I can be doing What are you laughing about when I say that? What are you laughing about when I say,

I know I need to use AI? Everyone feels that way. I think it's mostly, it's mostly BS. You don't have to. Really? It's cool. It's shiny. It's useful in some contexts, but,

and I think sort of have the editor of, hey, let me check this out and see what I can use it for. That makes sense. But the feeling that you have to do it or you're missing out, that just strikes me as silly. There's tons of influencers online. They go, look, these amazing things. I'm saving, you know,

40 hours a day at a 24, it's done the impossibly. I think that they're just trying to bump up their followers. They're probably using a little bit. It's helpful. Don't think of me wrong. It can be helpful. But the idea that it's at this point anyway, life changing for how people operate, whatever. I don't think that's true.

Yeah, if you're a social media person, it's going to help you draft some posts first. Like, I've given it copies of my book. I've given it copies of my articles. And I say, hey, write me some LinkedIn posts. They're okay. But it's still kind of a pain. I still have to go edit it. It's not my voice.

It's not quite right. It's not really saying the thing I wanted to say. So it helps. It's a nice, you know, people sometimes compare it to like a pretty smart intern straight out of college that doesn't really know anything. Yeah, they're good. But they're good. Hire them. Sure, use them.

But don't expect it to be like, oh, my God, my job can be done for me now. They're college interns. Well, here's the most interesting conversation I had about AI. And it was just a guy connected to, you know, Silicon Valley and all that. and you talked about a minute ago the power needs that was the most interesting he he made aware of me he's like you you know the demands on the processing power of AI are are massive he's like we're not talking about these like you know warehouses full of servers no no we're talking about like farms that are necessary for the computing power to continue to operate the growth of this artificial intelligence

and then he was talking beyond that he was like think about the power needs to run all that computing he's like you're going to put such a demand on the power system and it's just like we need to be doing we need everything man we need nuclear we need power like tomorrow and i don't want to hear anything about i don't i mean every bit of energy that we can get we're going to need it because this thing sounds like it's going to be taxing the entire system it does it taxes the entire system it's extremely expensive i mean it uses the energy of small countries you know And part of the problem is that it's since it's so accessible, and people are asking stupid things, like, you know, like, especially when it first came out, like, you know, write me a poem about Donald Trump in the style of, you know, I don't know, Shakespeare or whatever, like just stupid things. And all of those things added up cost a tremendous amount of energy. And then we're at the, we're just at the beginning now where large companies are beginning to integrate it, right? So Open AI has a partnership with Microsoft to put in Office 365. Microsoft is obviously very intent on selling Office 365. powered by Chachapit to all of their enterprise customers.

So we're talking about, you know, hundreds of thousands, ultimately millions, tens of millions of people using it. So we're at the very beginning of that usage. And as long as that climb continues and works its way increasingly into business, and it's still at the very beginning, yeah, the energy consumption is bananas. Ethical Machines is his book. Virtue is his company. He's CEO and founder.

of the Ethical Risk Consultancy for AI. You can find them on X. Reed Blackman, R-E-I-D-Blackman, here on the Will Cain Show. Always good to have you, Reed. Thanks, man. Thanks, Will.

Always good to chat. All right, there he goes. All right, that's going to do it for me today. Tune in to Fox Friends this weekend. Apparently, I'm going to have some debts to pay. You can be there. Saturday and or Sunday. That's going to do it for me today.

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