Will Cain Country - Big Beautiful Divide: Inside The Clash Over The 'One Big Beautiful Bill' (ft. Kennedy)

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Story #1: Battle lines are being drawn as we see pushback on President Donald Trump's 'One Big Beautiful Bill.' Will tries to make sense of the divide and what we can actually expect from it. Story #2: Kennedy, Host of 'Kennedy Saves The World,' joins Will to discuss some of the most salacious stories in pop culture, including the alleged murder of an actor from 'King Of The Hill' in his front yard and the renaming of Naval ships named after gay rights activist Harvey Milk and others.  Story #3: Following the firing of New York Knicks’ Head Coach Tom Thibodeau and the rumblings of Dallas Stars’ Head Coach Peter DeBoer likely on his way out after both make their conference championship, do teams have unrealistic expectations?  Tell Will what you thought about this podcast by emailing [e-mail] Subscribe to The Will Cain Show on YouTube here: Watch The Will Cain Show! Follow Will on X: @WillCain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Big Beautiful Bill, trying to make sense of what's happening in the debate between Elon Musk, Stephen Miller, Rand Paul, and Donald Trump. Two, some of the most salacious stories in pop culture, including an actor from King of the Hill, murder in his front yard. Was it because of hate? Was it because of homophobia? Or was it because he was carrying a pitchfork, threatening people's lives through the streets of San Antonio? With Kennedy. Three, why are coaches who take their team to the finals,

the semifinals, the Eastern Conference, or Western Conference finals, and the NBA and the NHL on the hot seat or getting fired? Have we gotten impatient or have they lost the locker room? It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern time. Make sure you set a reminder at YouTube or on Facebook, and that way you can hang with us Monday through Thursday. Jump into the comments section and become a member of the Willisha.

If you're listening on Terrestrial Radio, we hope you will. subscribe, leave us a five-star review if you think it's so deserved by heading over to Spotify or on Apple. I'm flying a little blind right now here on the Will Kane show. We got our buddy Matt sitting in for Two of Days, Dan, who's come down with a bad case of the flu or the bronchitis. We've got tinfoil pap, Matt Dahl. At times, we've had our buddy Justin hanging out as well. And I'm assuming everything's going fine out there to the world. Everything is broadcasting technologically. Let me see, though, if we can check in back in New York and see exactly what's happening. Matt, I know you're sitting in today, Dan, not normally something that you

do. So I'm pushing you here to bring up some technological issues right off the bat. But how are we doing? Are we doing all right? How are you doing? Are we broadcasting? Good to see you. We are on. Are we broadcasting? Okay. We are broadcasting. That's good. I don't have the music or anything coming into my ears, but I can hear you, and that suggests that I'll be able to do a show here today, and perhaps talk to the guests as well. I hope so. We've got to wish our boy a little bit of health and good luck.

He's not even responding to text here lately, so we wish our best two a days, Dan. But I'm glad we're broadcasting. I'm glad we're hanging out with you on this Wednesday, and that means we need to get to it all with story number one. The big beautiful bill has descended into one big beautiful fight. Everyone on the right worried about various aspects of the bill. In fact, it seems to be cratering instead of gaining steam on passing through the United States Senate.

Here's a little bit of what's happened just in the past 24 to 48 hours. Marjorie Taylor Green in the Congress, she has posted that she would not now in retrospect, vote for the one big, beautiful bill. She is concerned that the bill, as you can see in this post on X, regulate state's ability to regulate AI, artificial intelligence. She wants state's ability to regulate AI now that she's read on page 278, roughly, of the bill. It's always a problem when we pass gigantic bills. And the famed words of Nancy Pelosi, we'll find out what's in the bill.

bill after we pass it. MTG has read it now after voting for it, and she posts full transparency. I did not know about this section on page 278 of the one big beautiful bill that strip states the right to make laws or regulate AI for 10 years. I am adamantly opposed to this, and it's a violation of state's rights, and I would have voted no if I had known this was in there. So while Marjorie Taylor Green seems to regret her vote and probably have a chance to voice that if it goes back to the House once it's changed in the Senate, it first has to get through

the Senate. Take a look at this headline from Politico. North Carolina Senator Tom Tillis wants major changes to Trump's tax cut on tips. The senator is pushing for a different approach that would treat people with similar earnings more equally. Now, this is all going on while it not yet has passed the Senate. But there's a fight taking place. Well, on X in the public discourse and quite honestly on the Will Kane show on the Fox News channel about whether or not the Big Beautiful Bill saves or spends money, whether or it reduces or explodes the deficit. Elon Musk has posted on X that it's a complete abomination.

He does not like the one big beautiful bill. This is a huge departure, sidestep from the Trump administration for really one of Donald Trump's right-hand men in Elon Musk. Now, that has led to this kind of post from Stephen Miller. Stephen Miller has been posting about the one big, beautiful bill on his feed. He's always an intelligent voice, and he says, for those who want to break it up now and try to test separate bills, no, it has to be done as OMBBB. It has to be done once as one big beautiful bill.

He says, for those saying do separate bills, each would then require 60 votes, needing then Chuck Schumer instead of 50. Reconciliation is a special process each fiscal year where you can make fiscal changes with 50 votes. That's why the big beautiful bill is the vehicle for tax cuts, deportations, and welfare reform. But fiscal hawks and Elon Musk are concerned with what's happening to the deficit. And as I mentioned, this debate is spilling over onto the Will Kane Show, as it should, as is by design, ideally here at 4 o'clock Eastern time, we would have a debate between Elon Musk and Stephen Miller. But yesterday, we had Senator Rand Paul, who is opposed to this big bill, and he said the following on the Will Kane Show. But to put things in perspective, the bill increases spending for the military and for border over $300 billion.

The Doge cuts, which aren't in this bill, were about $200 billion. So this bill actually increases in the first couple of years, spending more than all the doge cuts combined. My objection to the bill isn't about the tax cuts, and it isn't about those calculations. My objection to the bill is they're going to raise the debt ceiling more than they ever have, $5 trillion, and that this will be the largest increase in the debt ceiling ever. ever and if the Republicans all vote for it the Republicans will own the death and to that President Trump then again continuing in this one big beautiful fight posted the following about Senator Rand Paul he said that Paul votes no on everything but never has any practical or

constructive ideas his ideas are actually crazy parentheses losers the people of Kentucky can't stand him this is a big growth bill. All right, that's the fight. Let's step back and see if we can not just highlight heat, but shed some light. I don't know about you, but I've been doing this for quite some time. I've quite honestly been involved in and around politics for 15 years. And budget talk makes your eyes glaze over. It sounds like white noise. It gives you tired head. and that is in part because it is so objectively confusing. Now, that is not to say that I don't care, nor you wouldn't care, about the annual deficit

in the growing and concerning debt of the United States. For the first time in forever, many on Wall Street are now saying that the United States is not a good bet to fulfill its debt. Treasury Secretary Scott Besson said the United States will never. default on its debt. But when we have these discussions, whether or not it's a Democrat or Republican as president, we have fights about debt and deficit, it is quite honestly confusing. Although I'm willing to accept, if you're in the comments section right now at YouTube or on Facebook or you're listening on radio, I'm willing to accept an accusation that, oh, Will, you're stupid. But in the

off chance that you feel the same way, I just wanted to take a step back and see this from 30,000 feet okay i don't want to take anything for granted i don't want to be pedantic or patronizing but i do want to take this as much as possible from a sky high view so that we all understand what is a really important debate for the united states so let's all just make sure we're on the same page that we understand the difference between debt and deficit deficit is the annual amount of money that we spend over and above the amount of revenue we take in in the federal government. It's like running things up on your credit card. How much every year do you run up on your credit card?

The debt is the total accumulation of deficits that we run up on an annual basis. Our U.S. government debt today stands halfway through 2025 as though by the end of this fiscal year, it will be at $36 trillion. dollars okay in 2024 we stood at 34 in 2023 we stood at 33 in 22 we were at 30 trillion in debt let me skip a few years and go back so you can see if we just go back six years to 2019 our total debt was 22 trillion if we skip back another five years to 2015 now 10 years removed from today our u.s total debt was 18 trillion dollars so in a matter of one decade we are on pace to double our national debt here's what we should know though okay that is not a

completely fair assessment of our fiscal health let me explain to you why the more money you make the more ability you have to take on debt all right if you were making a hundred thousand dollars a year it would be one thing for you to take on you know a house a million dollar house with an $800,000 mortgage. We all understand that. That's an incredibly scary amount of debt for someone at that level of income. But if you have an income of $2 million of year, that same nominal number of debt, $800,000,

is much more healthy and safe. The point is, if your income grows, your total debt can grow. If the United States Treasury's revenues grow as represented by the growth of the United States economy, then our total debt can grow. So that's not the figure necessarily that spells out our fiscal health. It would rather be, you ever seen the stuff that says like, hey, never spend more than 30% of your income on your home, whether rent or mortgage? Well, that 30% produces a different number depending on your income, right?

well we should measure debt as a percentage of our economy as a percentage of GDP you want to know what that looks like let's do some of that same calculation 10 years ago 2016 our debt rather our deficit our annual deficit as a percentage of GDP was 3.1 percent go to 2020 this is now COVID end of Trump beginning of Biden our annual deficit our annual deficit deficit as a percentage jumped to 15%. It comes down now, and by 2025, it is at 6%. I'll give you some raw numbers as well because everybody spits around raw numbers. It's expected in 25. Our deficit, that's how much we're going to spend in one year over what we bring in is $1.9 trillion. Okay? That's up from last year and the year before. The peak was in 2020 and 2021 when we had deficits of

3 trillion and 2.7 trillion. But what matters is the percentage of GDP, both for debt and deficit. And what we have seen is that spiked incredibly in 20 and 21. It's come back down, but it has not come down to the 3% we were at 10 years ago. That 3% matters. Treasury Secretary Scott Besson's plan is 333. He wants a deficit of 3% economic growth, of 3%. And I think he wants, what is it, 3 million barrels a day in production and growth, something like that when it comes to oil and gas. What I'm getting at in all of this is trying to give you a sense, okay, what is it something that we want to accomplish? It'd be nice if we just ran budget even, right? But do you? You probably don't. Do I? I don't. Meaning I have

a home loan, as you do. That means we have some measure of debt. We'd like to think our assets outpace our debt. But we do take all. on debt. And debt is not an unhealthy thing to have. You can have debt if you can afford it and you can afford it according to your income or in a government's case revenues and assets. The question is, does the one big beautiful bill blow out our deficits and our debt to an unhealthy level or does it keep us in the range of fiscal help? Stephen Miller contends that the CBO and Rand Paul and Thomas Massey and Elon Musk are counting the extension of tax cuts that are in place today as a cost that jacks up the deficit. It's confusing because, yeah, I mean, if you tax less, the federal government revenues go down, but that's the conditions under which we live today.

We're talking about actually raising our taxes. So why is something we have today extended into the future going to raise our deficits, especially if, as Miller contends, we are going to cut spending. Now, Musk is unhappy because we're not cutting spending enough. Guys like Chip Roy or Thomas Massey want spending cut more. And that's reasonable. As we see, like right now they have a $9 billion rescission package to institute what should be hundreds and hundreds of billions in doge cuts.

It is reasonable with the Republican House. Senate and presidency that you should be able to accomplish real cut. Musk wanted $1 to $2 trillion in cuts. But there are North and Northeastern Republicans, you know, who don't see it the same way as somebody from Alabama like Marjorie Taylor Green or Kentucky like Thomas Massier, Rand Paul. And so it's a game of compromise. So the point is, Indian, I don't know how to read the bill because in, and I don't think

many people do, they're talking about, fighting about how you read the bill, how the CBO reads the bill, how Musk reads the bill, how Miller reads the bill, because so much of is predicated on growth. If you cut taxes, the economy grows. That means you can sustain a healthier level of deficit and debt. But we always, as individuals and as a government, we always paint a rosy future. I'm always going to make more money. The economy is always going to grow. You cut taxes. It's going to grow. But do you take on debt based upon those projections do you buy home based on what you think you're going to be making in three to five years that's a scary place to be in indian i don't have you when someone sits in the seat that

i sit in and i think a lot of hosts and people will give you the hard take give you the hot take you got to hold out you got to cut you know it's a bunch of rhinos if you don't but i do i do know that there are people of different points of view from different places that represent different people and that's government and that's compromise but i i don't know i don't know if musk is right i don't know if miller is right i don't know if trump is right i don't know if rampal makes a good point but what i do know is this is your shot i do know that you're going to come out of the midterms with a better position than you're in today you're going to have another situation where you have another opportunity to maximize your goals than you do today and i do think rand paul has a

point. If you are at maximum political power today, and this is maximal push that you can accomplish, you will begin to own the debt and deficit if your choices do reflect an unhealthy future. You have to be extreme. You have to make healthy choices. The Democrats have no interest in health. They're sitting here today screaming about the fact that Elon Musk is Pol Pot. I'm serious, literally. David Brooks of the New York Times compared him to Mao and Stalin and Pol Pot because USAID cuts, he says, have led to 300,000 deaths. This is the type of seriousness we're dealing with on the left. Democrats and the left, they will never cut.

They will only always expand government until one day we are bust. So you can't just simply be better than Democrats. When you have maximal political power, you have to have maximal political push to put us on fiscal health. I hope that brought some light. The intention today wasn't that I would be able to add heat. The hot take for you to take home. But maybe, hopefully, without sounding like a preacher, a little bit of understanding

on what it is this debate is all about and what it is we need to do to control debt and deficit. All right, actor from King of the Hill is murdered in his front yard, and it is a story that touches on the culture war, but it's really just one of the weirdest things you've ever heard. That and more with Kennedy next on the Will Cain Show. Follow Fox's initial donation to the Kerr County Flood Relief Fund, our generous viewers have answered the call to action across all Fox platforms and have helped raise $6.5 million. Visit go.box forward slash TX flood relief to support relief and rebuilding efforts.

from a Navy ship. It is the Will Kane Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook page. Hey, hit subscribe. We hope you will at Spotify or on Apple. And if you're sitting there on one of those platforms, we do think you should head on over and subscribe as well to Kennedy Saves the World at Fox News podcast. She's also the host of the Kennedy Chronicles, the Golden Age of MTV through Rose Colored Glasses. And it is my colleague and friend Kennedy who joins us now. What's up, Kennedy? Hey, Kennedy. Hi. Great to see me. There you are. It's great to see you as well. I'm great to hear you.

So, hey, what do you think of this? I was like in the pre-show meeting. I'm like, I don't know where Kennedy will be on our former colleague, now the Secretary of Defense, Pete Heggseth, here at the beginning of Pride Month, removing the name of Harvey Milk from a Navy ship. Now, really quickly for anybody listening, Harvey Milk, civil rights, gay activist from San Francisco, the first openly gay politician, I believe, to be elected to citywide office in San Francisco. Famously, a movie was made about him, starring Sean Penn. And as part of the John Lewis class of Navy ships, which every ship in the John Lewis class is named after some civil rights activist slash hero. Uh, but a It does include Ruth Bader Ginsburg and John Lewis himself and Harvey Milk. Sure.

But Heggseth as part of a review of the names of things under the Pentagon and an emphasis on, according to the Pentagon, the warrior class has removed Harvey Milk, Kennedy. I actually, I don't have a problem with this one. I think the naming and the unnaming and the renaming of things is, I think it is a massive distraction. and I think both sides do it just to get back at the other. I have a great deal of respect for Pete, and I certainly respect that his focus is on warriors and the people who wear the uniform and serve and pull triggers,

and that is something that feels, it feels like it has been missing for a long time in the military, because if you're not concerned with the warriors, you're also certainly not going to be concerned with the veterans and I think Pete has done really phenomenal work in that regard um and so I started digging into this because I was just like oh this is just um you know politically correct token but then you realize that Harvey Milk served honorably in the Navy he was discharged honorably he served for four years during the Korean War he comes from a Navy family my uncle served in the Navy

in Vietnam. My nephew is currently enlisted in the Navy right now, serving very bravely, somewhere far, far away. My sister-in-law, her brother, is a master chief on a submarine, and he's a real badass, and he is protecting us and keeping us safe. I actually, I don't have as much of a problem with Harvey Milk as some of the others. And as, you know, my sexy teenage boyfriend. I know that we have discussed this. He is a West Pointer. So he spends 80% of his time making fun of the Navy. So he would probably say that it is of all of the branches of the armed force is probably the gayest. So, um, he would, he would celebrate a gay icon being emblazoned on the side of a Navy ship. Okay. I think the only thing I would offer a

bit of a correction or rebuttal on and it's not that I present myself as the world's most foremost expert on Harvey Milk is I don't think you I'm not sure he got an honorable discharge that's what that's what the reporting said I saw it in a reported in two places that was like a voluntary discharge honorably discharged I mean I thought it was something because he got in trouble it wasn't dishonorable you're right it wasn't a dishonorable discharge but I thought it was something short of an honorable discharge wherein basically they asked him to leave because he was homosexual and back then that was grounds and so under the the conditions that existed at the time I don't know that he would know they would at that time they would have dishonorably discharged him if if it

were because of his homosexuality I think that's what's about though but that look that's I mean I know people who were in their 40s who were dishonorably discharged because they were gay and it's like yeah and it's you know come on okay so here's where I am if people are tough and they can pass all the standards, who cares what they think about when they're in their little knapsack at night? Okay, fine. I hear that point. Who cares what they think about? Let's put that one in our pocket and let's hold that.

Okay? Now, and I think most people agree with you, who cares who you're attracted to? It is Pride Month. Everybody cares who you're attracted to on both sides of this issue. That's the point of Pride Month. It's a huge celebration of who you're attracted to. to be Pride Week, but they've expanded it. It'll be Pride Week. It'll be Pride Week was so aroused. They expanded it to Pride Month.

It's engorged Pride Week into Pride Month. But here's my point. We've put into our pocket the thing that we both agree upon, which is nobody cares, who cares, live and let live. But we live now in a different moment where that is not what is asked of anyone. And I want to expand this conversation and it'll bring us back around to Harvey Milk, I think. Okay. And so I was listening, well, no, I wasn't. I was scrolling and I saw a clip from The View with Andy Cohen from Bravo TV talking to the ladies of the View talking about, I think he's talking about Pride Month, but largely he's talking about the status of LGBTQ people living under Donald Trump. Watch this. My message is it's time to fight. I mean, our community is,

under severe attack. And there are, I mean, every day, every, look at Project 2025, this is something that's actually happening and it's not good for the LGBTQ community. The trans community is really under siege. Okay. So he emphasized that last point several times, just the point I want to take away. Because the rest of that, like the Project 2025 stuff and all that, that's just like catnip stuff being thrown out.

that he knows, he knows a surface level of scratch marks on what it all means. But the point of that clip that got my attention is this narrative, this thought process, subjectively believed or not, I don't know. But the LGBT community is under threat, under siege, under this administration. And, like, were I sitting there, I think the question I would ask is, how, how are you under threat or under siege? I don't know. I mean, I guess people feel more empowered to stand up for stuff that they had been silenced over for a long time.

And that could be perceived as a threat. But, you know, it's like I live a couple blocks from Hell's Kitchen and things are thriving. Like, business is fantastic. The problem is, you know, instead of focusing on the gains that we've made. Wait, wait, are you talking about, are you talking about LGBTQ businesses in Hell's Kitchen? Yeah, yeah. It's a gay part of New York. Hell's Kitchen. Just as a quick aside, when did that happen?

Like, I lived in New York for 15 years. In the beginning of my 15 years of living in New York, it was Chelsea. Okay, in Hell's Kitchen. By the way, I read the book and loved the movie The Westies about the West Side Irish gangs in the 80s in Hell's Kitchen. And it was a rough neighborhood. But I feel like the Hell's Kitchen conversion, is that like within the past five years? Yeah, no, Hell's Kitchen has been, yeah, that's been rocking for a while as a gay hub. But, you know, as someone who enjoys the fruits of gentrification, I've always known that if you want an upcoming neighborhood, go where the gays have gone first.

Because, yeah, they take sort of run-down neighborhoods and they revitalize them. And then once that happens, then you have, you know, it's like you've got. you've got gyms and cafes and clubs and bars and they sort of pave the way so i think they priced themselves out of the west village which now has become very dangerous so then they went into chelsea but you know if you think about it like you you start off your new york experience downtown and then slowly you move up to midtown because that's where all the office buildings are so you've got a lot of young professional gays that don't want they don't want a long commute to work. So they settle on 9th and 10th Avenue in the 40s and the lower 50s. And

there you have it. All right. So businesses are thriving, to your point. And so the question I have is how are you under siege? Okay. So this was the next point I was getting to. Instead of focusing on the gains and looking at someone like Scott Besant to, you know, happens to be really effective at his job and happens to be, you know, one of the ninjas within the Trump administration who is doing a lot of really solid work, not necessarily seeking public accolades. And he also happens to be gay. And I thought that was the point of all of this is like when someone happens to be gay, that's awesome. And, you know, it's like when there are family members and community members and coworkers, that's great. Like you don't have to hyper focus on it. But you can't create

hysteria unless you hyper focus on everything. And everything has to be an emergency. Everything has to be a catastrophe on the left. So we just saw the survey came out about mental health and people self-reporting the state of their mental health and how it correlates to a political stripe. And conservatives have reported like a 30% increase in their mental health. Their mental health has improved. Liberals mental health has cratered. And that's because, they believe the hype and hysteria. They believe that the hype and hysteria about Gaza and about climate change

and about whether or not their particular community is actively under siege and if it is dangerous for them just to step outside with any sort of rainbow garment on. I would argue that, you know, as a straight person on the outside looking in who is an ally of my gay friends and neighbors, it looks like things have gotten better.

And for Andy Cohen to say that we are at war, we are under siege, we have to fight back. So what does that mean? Does that mean like the LGBTQ community against the heteronormies? Like I don't want it to be like that. I want a society where we are incorporated and that we all take something from each other's communities, whether it's faith or gender or sexuality, whatever. the case maybe but also you know i i don't follow my jewish friends around in the building going what's it like to be jewish like do you go to temple uh did you have a bat mitzah or celebrating

or at every moment celebrating the fact that they are jewish and so this is where we're going to go do you love halibread and i maintain i have celiac disease i can't eat halibred do you have any gluten-free hollow bread i love locks i love locks see i'm an ally i love kifilte fish shabbat shalom uh nobody likes kifelta fish don't say that that's that was that was a bad pull kennedy um we used to do a thing on the will cane show march madness you have to eat something gross and we did have a jar of gefelta fish i don't mind it's one of the things you had to do herring pickled halibut like i'll eat it all but a bagel and cream cheese and locks i mean that's delightful that's that's that makes me an ally um hey uh okay

i'm maintaining our conversational threads i know exactly where we were and where we're going i'm going to come back but i'm going to indulge every diversion and the diversion that i want indulge for now for one moment is this poll you talked about and it is fascinating the mental health of the left first the mental health of the right you forwarded us the idea that it is a result of the left believing i i have taken to calling this the handmade tale dystopian vision of america they believe the project 2025 stuff they believe all this stuff and so naturally they would be in a bad mental state right i don't trump is president oh my god everything is terrible however i think there's There's two other ways to look at this poll.

And for those of you that are listening, it just shows that, what was it, high rates of depression and, I don't mean, what other mental health issues reported at really high numbers for the left and really low numbers for the right. The big takeaway on many on the right is like the left is becoming the party of neurotics and depressive. But then I had Mary Catherine Ham on my show

on the Fox News channel at 4 o'clock yesterday, and she said this. And I found it fascinating. There is also the fact that many on the left would be more willing to self-report mental health issues than people on the right because not only is it more socially acceptable to talk about your mental health issues, but it actually becomes a badge of honor. Like you just said, I have celiacs disease. No, no, no. Like it becomes a thing on the left that I have whatever. I'm bipolar.

I suffer from anxiety. All these things become virtues. on the left like there are things that you say about yourself to gain some kind of credibility and so therefore they'd more willingly put themselves down on the poll like this as in a really bad mental health state and I found that fascinating Kennedy yeah and I think you're absolutely right and that's my problem with it because I have suffered from debilitating anxiety and panic disorder in the past and I worked really hard to get through it and it was one of the things that kind of ended up defining me in my 20s and 30s was the ability to take a point in my life

where I was so scared and so riddled with anxiety that it was almost impossible to function, but it was really important for me to get over that. And now when I talk to people about this stuff, I want to help them understand what they're going through. Don't ignore it. Don't try and squash it down, but get past it. Get to the other side of it. And that's what liberals don't want to do. They don't actually want to get help. Because sometimes when you get help and you feel better, it's unsexy. You don't have as much to talk about.

You know, but when you are in the process, when you're ruminating in your neurosis, and everything is completely dramatic. It's like, I have two teenage girls. It's like a society filled with teenage girls. And, you know, they're amazing, and I love them. And I celebrate them, not always entirely rational, sometimes exhausting. And, you know, but our job as parents is to get them into adulthood. Get them into a state where they are rational and functioning and they see the path that they have traversed.

And it has gotten them where they are truly meant to be. And that's how I feel about mental health. But they are stuck in this dramatic crisis, this context. this constant crisis, and you cannot be effective on the left unless you keep people right there because that's the only way to keep them in action. More of the Will Cain Show right after this. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy host of the Trey Gowdy podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together

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Thank you for taking the quiz. Welcome back to the Will Kane Show. I make a promise to the audience that I have not forgotten Harvey Milk and the naming of a Navy destroyer and it being Pride Month. But again, I'm going to take this conversation everywhere it goes. For a moment, Kennedy referenced her 20s and 30s. Most of us, remember Kennedy, from MTV. Now, she was also on Gutfeld recently, and she got to talking about one of her early career expertise,

and that is Best Rock Singers. Here is Kennedy on Gutfeld. Who's your favorite male rock singer? Ooh, that's a good question. I do love David Lee Roth. James Mercer from the Shins is probably my favorite. Yeah, that's interesting. He's got a really high rain.

He knows how to do a melody that is so... The only person I can think who could do that as well would be like Michael Stipe in the early days of R.E.M. Yes. But David Lee Roth is a different singer. B. has turned into a skinny old Jew. He's just like walking around. Hey!

What's going on? It seems like he might have done some drugs. He's high on live, man. All right, that is from Kennedy saves the world, correction, not from Gutfell. It's Gutfell. It's a guest on Kennedy saves the world. Got to read my notes correctly. They abbreviated it, Kenny. KSTW.

Yeah, that's right. KSTW did not scream to me, Kennedy saves the world. Just like WCS doesn't scream to you, Will Kane Show. Oh, yes. I'm sure. That's what those texts have been. She should respond to them every once in a while. It did bring up this idea of leaning on you, and I'll give you some of my thoughts on

who do you think is. And I think this question is interesting because it's not who's the best, who has the best voice, who's the most talented, right? For me, that's not what this debate is. It's not, you know, I don't think Adele's going to be our answer, even though she's an amazing singer. But who's the best rock singer? And I think the interesting question is, okay, fine, by what criteria? Like, what do you think make someone stand out as the best rock singer? But that's what I love is it is, music is so subjective.

And yes, there are objective elements where you listen to someone and you can tell they've got incredible pitch. And it's funny because I was having this argument with Ben Shapiro once because he hates rock music. And I was like, you don't understand it. Because when someone writes a beautiful poem and then they're able to take that poem and write a beautiful melody around it where the music conveys the meaning of the poetry even more effective. and then you have someone with a beautiful voice who wrote that and it's like they are revealing a part of their soul which touches yours as deeply as possible and that's that's where people develop a connection to music that is beyond politics it is beyond your station in life it is beyond your age and you know it's like i knew go ahead i knew bin didn't like rat i didn't know he didn't like He doesn't like it. He doesn't understand. I know he's a classical music guy. Yeah.

Does he not like anything modern? Like what about modern pop culture does Ben participate in? Does he like movies? No, I think. Some of the series we're all into? My guess is he's terrified that it's Pandora's box. And if he opens it, then he's just going to go on Rum Springer. And he's never going to return to the good, solid, decent, conservative life that he's carved for himself.

Okay. But even though it's highly subjective, okay, I was thinking about this this morning when I was saying about this conversation with you. And music, in no way do I consider myself a musical expert. Like in any way, I don't have a catalog of trivia. I'm not capable of calling upon my memory, even though I like and listen to a lot of different things, not just country. It just isn't something that sticks and stays with me in a way that a movie does, quite honestly. I can rattle off movie lines. It just, that's what happens to me.

I think it's the power of story for me, right? I'm just very into story. And so I remember lines from Days of Thunder and the Big Lobowski and all of these movies for Caddysheck, for my life, for eternity, Tombstone. But I just can't remember musicians. I was thinking about this with you. And there's just some people's voices

that the minute they come on, I'll give you an example. So my boys and I've had this long, ongoing thing about rap. and they made the argument to me that Kanye is way better than the stuff I was trying to tell them about from like the 90s you know like Dre and Snoop and Ice Cube

and then they played Kanye and I got it I'm like oh this dude's like really talented we're setting aside everything else about Kanye he was before he lost his mind completely he was very talented absolutely like genius level like genius level probably

painfully talented yes but then this yesterday they were in the car and I wouldn't even older I said, let me tell you guys what I first started listening to in rap. And I played them like Eric B and Rakim. I was just going to say Eric B and Rakeem, yes. I did, I did. And then, of course, we did like a little bit later stuff.

They said, play Tupac and play B. And I got to thinking like, I'm actually not a big fan of Tupac as a rapper, but man, his voice is distinctive or something about his accent. It's the way he enunciates words is distinctive and it draws you in. Snoop has the same thing. And M&M is probably a better rapper than Snoop, but Snoop has this voice that you're like, ah, yes, I, that is so unique.

And I'm curious what you think about that type of criteria when you're, I immediately go to Eddie Vedder, right? In rock, like, what a distinct person. No one would ever say is the best singing voice ever. Yeah. By the way, I'll give you a country music version of this. Okay. It's Willie Nelson.

Oh, yeah. I love Willie Nelson. I mean, no one would say, of course. But he's an incredible songwriter. So he may not have like a Broadway caliber voice. I love his voice because I love his songs and his voice has so much emotion and it conveys so much. And this is a person that you know has experienced loss and pain. Like I can't stand Bob Dylan's voice and I don't care what he's been through.

I will never like Bob Dylan's voice. I respect his music. I respect his poetry. I feel the same way about Bruce Springsteen. I have never liked Bruce Springsteen's voice. And I'm sure there are people that are like, oh, you don't know what you're talking about. But Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash and what they've been through

and what comes out of them because their songwriting is so painfully honest. And that's what makes an absolutely beautiful performer is someone who can stick the landing on that sweet spot of lyrics, music, and vocals. Totally. So who is that in your mind? Like, give me your, who's top of mind in that, in rock? And I think we've now established the criteria together.

That's what I'm talking about. The Willie Nelson of Rock. So, God, that's, I really, I still stick by James Mercer. I think that he, so he is a lead singer of the shins and broken bells. And he has the most beautiful, melodic voice. And so many of his early songs especially are this almost. adolescent longing, which is universal, because no matter where you are in life, you can go right back to the first moment that you fell in love or the first moment that you had your

heartbroken. So I really respect that. I actually think that Trent Rezner is an incredible singer-songwriter, performer, because the performance for him is so critical. I love I love Chris Cornell's voice because when he was at his best God rest his soul he was a heavy metal singer like he didn't want to be he didn't want to be grunge

whatever that was at the time at James Hetfield same thing like incredible voice conveys so much and you have to be for me I have to be in a very particular mood when I listen to Metallica but it is so effective

yeah Um, I love that. It's the voice as an instrument, not just as a musical instrument as a instrument that honestly seems to somehow connect. This sounds so, so highfalutin, uh, connect humanity. There's, you made the right point with Willie. Whatever it is about his voice. Oh, I'll give you one. Uh, Ray Charles, I feel like does this as well. And he's a great singer, but there's a way that he enunciates, the way he hits a note, the way he says a word. Like, listen to seven Spanish angels with those two together. And you're like, oh, my God. God, this is incredible.

Okay, I've rounded the corner, I'm headed home. Okay, I want to ask you about this guy in San Antonio, Texas, Jonathan Joss. I don't know if you're familiar with him. Yes. I wasn't, but I'm familiar with King of Hill, King of the Hill, and he was a voice actor on King of the Hill. He was also a regular actor on Parks and Rec. And he was murdered over the last couple of days in San Antonio. Now, the stories that originally comes out, and this is so circuitous, and I'm going to try to get the details all right, is that he's a victim of a hate crime, that his murderer yelled homophobic stuff before killing him.

The alleged murderer is a Latino dude in this area of San Antonio. And then the story comes out that the actor, Joss, has a lot of, it sounds like, super weird at a minimum, possibly mental health issues. you know, as maybe more accurate. Neighbors say he carried a crossbow around, threatened the neighbor. If he didn't like something, he thought they were putting skulls of dogs in his yard. He thought he was being harassed. He thought this was happening. That was happening.

The day that he was murdered, I think he said he might have had a pitchfork he was carrying around the neighborhood. His significant other. His husband. I'm going to go with for right now. Yeah. Okay. Okay. his husband but that requires me okay right his significant other claims it's homophobia because they were gay they got married like according to the husband they got married at the courthouse

they went to houston and got married was actually but you know what the husband was actually a woman right taking testosterone is that news to you or are you telling me i choosing i didn't know that i don't i don't know that that changes the facts of the story and how i feel about it now i mean it's like well hold on no no it doesn't change the facts but it changes so first of all so it was his spouse so they were they were married and she was taking testosterone to become a man yeah and that's so that make them or an Olympic boxer is that how that's how that's so they're claiming homophobic they're gay but yet she's a woman I know but like so if if she's a woman but living as a man married to a man And now they feel like they feel like they're a gay couple and they maybe present outwardly as a gay couple.

And then if I think this is, this is fascinating. This part of this story, it's a sad story. This part, you know what, Kennedy, I would actually like to bring a mutual gay friend of ours in, any whoever that may be, guy, whoever. And be like, here's this couple. Are they gay? Yeah. But see, I mean, that's like the word. I guess I feel the way about this that I do about religion.

like when Mitt Romney was running for president in 2012 everyone's like he's not a Christian he's a Mormon and he's like I'm a Christian and I'm like if the guy feels like he's a Christian like let him be a Christian and you know it's like if this person is like transitioning and becoming a man and taking testosterone

and you know getting things cut off and put on and who knows what then living is a man that's like that's fine you want to be a guy like I don't care as long as I don't have to pay for it and my tax money doesn't go to it And as long, like, if you're a jerk to me, then, yes, we have a problem. But other than that, like, I don't know.

I have. Remember what I have in my pocket. That point I have in my pocket from the beginning of our conversation. Yeah. I don't care. We both agree. And I think most people listening agree. Agree.

I don't care. However, that's in our pocket. We're going to come back to that in a minute. The details of this story, and I think it's an interesting thing. And I actually don't think it's, well, it does matter because they are claiming it's homophobia. The police have said there's no evidence. a hate crime. Instead, it's this, all this other details I share at the top that it's just,

yeah, but there was, but also, the, the husband said that the neighbors were so mean to them and so homophobic that they would go outside late at night and scream and play drums. I know, I thought it. Like, I would have a really, that is, that is not grounds for shooting someone in the head, absolutely not, but if I had a neighbor who is outside, like, I like to go to sleep at 10. And if I live in New York City, there's noise, but if I had someone outside playing drums and screaming, I might sick the dogs on them too. Yes, okay. But we're getting there.

That would really, but see, but that's like, that's the golden rule. Like, don't hurt people, don't take their stuff. You are hurting someone by depriving them of sleep. You are not solving anything. You are making a situation much, much worse. that is, but that is not to say that someone deserves to die over that. No, but also, but there's obviously some fanning of the flames here. And also, Jonathan Joss, who played John Redcorn on King of the Hill, was, you know,

somehow his house in San Antonio was deemed unlivable, so they cut off all the power. So he was barbecuing inside his living room and his house burned down. But he said that his neighbor burns his house down. He claims the neighbor has set it up right. And the fire inspector is like, yeah, something happened here. There's definitely human involvement. That's all we can say at this point. I don't necessarily think it was a neighbor.

I think you had very frustrated neighbor, but you also had someone who was at best unwell. And it's very sad because I have known Mike Judge for 33 years. We worked together at MTV. When I started Alternative Nation, that's when he started. Beavis and Budhead. I've known him for a long, long time. He is an absolute genius, and my heart goes out to him because all he wants to do is create art that is escapism. You know, and maybe it takes a snapshot of where we are right now as human beings and points out the utter absurdity. And I feel

really, really bad that, you know, his reboot of King of the Hill might be derailed because of this. and I know that he is so invested in all of his actors. I've not spoken to him, but I know this has to cause him a tremendous amount of pain because all he wants to do is make the world laugh, make the world think a little bit while pointing out how insanely ridiculous this all is. Okay, I can bring it home, I think.

So I agree with all the things that you've said. Like, none of this, by the way, None of this discussion has anything to do with excusing a murder. Like, he was shot in the head, he was killed, and that's horrific. The details of what was going on in this neighborhood and the conditions under which Joss was living, both with his spouse and in his home, like, to your point, and the way he was interacting with his neighbors, it's all, I mean, insane. It's all insane.

I think what I come back to and how this takes me back to Harvey Milk in some way, way is this. This significant other seems to believe that cloaking whatever awful thing happened in claims of homophobia or hatred makes this somehow a different story than a tragedy or even simply a horrific crime. And we've arrived at this place where the thing I've been holding in my back pocket or my front pocket that I said I would pull out that I agree with you on, live and let live, I don't care.

I judge people as individuals. I judge you on your character and your merit and your personality. Not your sexual moors. I don't care who you're attracted to. No longer is enough. And as we are sitting here in Pride Month and we're watching Heggseth take away

this thing from the Navy with Harvey Milk's name, what it acknowledges, what it highlights to me. There's another little stories, Kennedy, where Carl Nassib, and Bala can tell, Carl Nassib's a great guy. He plays defensive end, Las Vegas Raiders. And I think he's going to be now, Emily Campano loves them.

He's going to be in the Smithsonian. And he's one of the first openly gay football players, right? So now he's going to have this thing at the Smithsonian. Right. And it's like, okay, right, but we're celebrating Carl's sexuality. And I get that there's an element of his openness is a thing that people celebrate as brave. But it's not enough that we go, hey, that's cool. Okay, you're gay.

Like, I'm going to be honest with you. My producer just texted me when we were and I were talking. He said, I didn't realize, Bessent was gay. I'm like, yeah, I knew that. But like, to your point, a lot of people don't realize it because the requirement today, Kennedy, is to celebrate. It is if you don't celebrate, you're a hater. If you remove the name or if you don't, if you decline to put the name, then you have something against. Yeah, but also, but could you see, could you see Andy Cohen celebrating?

But Andy Cohen would never celebrate Scott Besson. He would never be like, oh, and isn't it amazing? It's a great point. Our Treasury Secretary? Like, If he were really celebrating the thing that was implicit to his being, he would reach across the aisle and be like, see, but that would be, that would be an admission that things are getting better. Yeah. I agree. And that just shows Andy's hypocrisy and partisanship.

But what I'm getting at is to get to this final place where we are healthy. And I think you and I agree on this, though, we've got to move back away from if you don't celebrate, if you don't name, if you don't enshrine in a hall, if you don't do these things, then you are not an ally or you're not a friend or you're even a hater. And it's got to get to the place, I think, where we treat everyone like we have treated Scott Bessent. Oh, I'm interesting detail. I couldn't agree with you more. Interesting nugget. It has, I would say, of all the interesting things about Scott Besson,

it is at the 10% and below proposition on everything else about Scott Besson that I find interesting. And I love that he's not Janet Yellen. Yeah, right. And I don't know. that's where I come back to the Harvey Milk thing. It's like, okay, Hegseth doesn't think it's appropriate. You know, I don't know why it was named after Harvey Milk in the first place, meaning being an openly gay politician and pushing for things in San Francisco, does that warrant us to celebrate? And if you don't celebrate, are you a hater? I don't know. I guess I just think that it's become something more than the ask of live and let live.

I don't mind keeping Harvey Milk. Ruth Bader Ginsburg does not need a Navy ship named after her. Name a bridge after her. There are plenty of things. Name an airport. There are plenty of things you can name after Ruth Bader Ginsburg. All right. Kennedy saves the world. You get more great clips like that conversation you have with Greg Gutfeld. I love the back and forth and I love it when we find things that I don't think we disagree. It's just maybe sometimes we see them with different angles. But see, that's fine. Our politics don't have to mesh completely. Like that's where people are so far off base. they think, well, if you don't agree with every single element

at every point I'm making, then you are literally Hitler. And that's the problem with society. It's okay to have even subtle disagreements. And I hate both sides stuff. I hate both sides, but I'll tell you this, I got a tweet yesterday, why are you so liberal? And I was like, literally that I'm the most liberal show on Fox. I was like, really?

It's because you love the gays so much, Will. Yeah, right. all right check her out at kennedy saves the world at fox news podcast kitty i love having you on the show thank you by the way so does my wife my love my wife loves it when you're on my show so thank you all right there she goes kennedy again subscribe at kennedy saves the world let's take a quick break uh and let's talk about how is it the new york nix fire tom tibbeau and the dallas stars are they flirting with firing pete d'bore and i know for many of you like who what but here's the thing if your coach takes your team to the final four under what circumstances do you

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Kennedy, make sure to check out my podcast. Kennedy saves the world. It is five days a week, every week. Download and listen at Fox News Podcast.com or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. It is the Will Cain Show streaming live at Fox News.com on the Fox News YouTube channel and the Fox News Facebook. page. Let's bring in a tinfoil pat, and we don't have a nickname for Matt yet. But Matt's been around our show for a couple of years. Is your first time filling in, Matt, for two days? This is my first time sitting behind this. Are you two days boss? No, no, no. I am a moral

support guy for Dan. That's about it. You like yours boss? No. Not sure. Not even, not even remotely close. And your first time sitting in today? Yes. filling in for two a days. Tenfoil, he's not even responding to texts. What'd you guys do to him? Well, he got up early to tell me he was going to be out. So he's probably... And there's some big things I've been asking about.

There's some big things I've been asking about on text, and he has ghosted me, including... I'm going to tell the audience, there is some conversation right now about the name of this program that we're all watching and listening to. You know, Will Kane Show? Is it confusing? Here's a question for you. I'll tell you what. Will you do this for me? Will you drop into the comment section right now?

YouTube, Facebook, wherever. I'm going to collect your comments. We're going to come back to this. Is it confusing that both the online streaming and podcast and radio version of this show is called the Will Kane Show, and then a separate television show on the Fox News Channel is also called the Will Kane Show. admittedly it's become a little clunky for me to reference the other show when I'm on one of the shows I have taken to saying the will cane show on the fox news channel or the will cane digital show

and that's a little clunky so there is some discussion of brand differentiating the two shows right tinfoil pat wants to name it raising will cane I think or will cane America or what's some other things that have been mentioned? These are ideas from three years ago. Go ahead, tinfoil. These are three year ago ideas. Right. But I've been reluctant to do so, but I get it.

I get the confusion. I am curious as we sit here and talk, if any executives are like, why is he talking about this? And the answer for anyone listening is because this is what I do. We talk about it. Together. Really glad you brought me on for this segment. Yeah, what do you think, doll?

What do you think? Go ahead and register your vote right now. What are my options? I can promise you that there are some executives listening. Oh, I know. That's what I'm thrilled. You decided, hey, Matt, let's turn your camera on today. Why not?

You're just filling in for Dan. We can throw you on the train tracks. No big deal. Go ahead. What do you want to name the show, Dahl? You're going to do it right now. You, for every executive listening, it's about to be renamed right now by Matt Dahl.

Kane Country. Because what would you say, Patrick, Wilcane America? Yeah, that was one of the original ones. Will Kane America? He did not. He didn't pull it out of a hat. Very safe, touchet play by Matt Dahl there. But I am curious your thoughts in the comment section.

Do you find it confusing? And if you do, and this show were to take on a slightly different name, We're not going completely different. There was some talk, by the way, tinfoil, of should we name this show, should we just name it, the Wallitia? A very divisive name, by the way. There are some of my friends at executive levels of Fox that do not like that name that I have taken to call in the audience. But if we did, I'm willing to accept some of your suggestions. So drop right into the comment section right now.

Let me know what you think. do you find it confusing and if we rename it what do you like in fact i'm disappointed i didn't do this earlier because if there's anybody that i respect on these things and there are a lot of people that i respect that's the truth um a lot of people here at fox some friends that i have in the business that are not and other places but i am not being gratuitous or kiss ass when i say i respect you like a lot you who are listening You who tune in every day. You are a part of the Wilicia.

So I'm here to listen to what your thoughts are on the naming of this show. Tinfoil, you were the one that texted in during the conversation with Kennedy. You didn't know that Scott Bessent was gay? That's true. I did not know. Isn't that interesting? I don't think you're alone, by the way. And you're a pretty astute and untuned news watcher.

You're plugged into the cycle. And I'm going to bet that a lot of people don't know that. So, I guess we're not going to see Scott Besson, you know, out at a Pride March this June. It's pretty, it is pretty interesting the way that he has handled that versus the way that it's asked to handle it. We are asked to handle it. And I do believe what I said to Kennedy in public American discourse right now. It's like, without celebration, it is denial, you know. And I don't think that's healthy for anybody.

I think others don't run around, you know, I don't think. I mean, sex is a big part of conversation in society, and heterosexual sex, I'm sure, dominates it in a lot of ways. It's in movies. It's everywhere. But I don't think people walk around demanding you celebrate their sexuality. And I don't think we should. All right, let's move to the New York Knicks.

They have fired head coach Tom Tibido after making the Eastern Conference finals. Now, I don't get it. I don't think the Knicks had a right. and I'm not taking a shot at Knicks fans I don't think you had a right to expect more I don't think you can look at this season as a disappointment I think you have to as a sports fan learn to appreciate your moments and your ride

and I can say this with experience and experience that is running simultaneously to the Knicks and that is a fan of the Dallas Stars I am disappointed they didn't make the Stanley Cup but I still think it was a great ride originally the owner of the Dallas Stars said why would I fire Pete DuBore? He's one of the top five coaches in the NHL,

and those don't grow on trees. And he's absolutely right. But there's now some rumblings, and I don't get it. And it made me think about, as Tenfold and I were talking about this this morning, English soccer, for that matter, Italian, Spanish, German soccer. When I first became soccer some 10-plus years ago, one thing I noticed it was really odd that you don't see, for example, in the NFL, is a coach win it all and lose his job within a year.

sometimes a year, sometimes two years. You're like, you know, you win the Super Bowl, you get a five-year contract extension. You're around and you've got goodwill and you've got a leash for a while, but not in soccer. Like, that's great. What have you done for me lately? And the argument usually is, well, he lost the locker room. The players no longer hear him anymore. The message isn't resonating.

And I think that can be objectively true, but it also acknowledges that players are the more important factor than the coach. So here's what I think the takeaway is, tinfoil. I'm curious what you think. You don't see that in the NFL because the coach is more important than the players

outside of one player, the quarterback. And that's only a few quarterbacks. That's not all 32 of them. The coach is the most important, consistent element. In soccer and the NBA, the players are more important. And if you've lost the ability to control the locker room and have the players hear you,

the coach becomes interchangeable. Tom Tibado has a history, by the way, he grates on players, he's a hard guy to be around, he's tough, he's a good coach. But you can imagine after some time that grates, that loses. And by the way, I've heard some, I don't know this, but I've heard that Pete DeBore is a similar style of coach with players.

So I'm wondering if what we're not seeing in these two sports is similar to what I've seen play out in soccer. And I don't know if the NHL and hockey are like the NBA in soccer, where the players are more important than the coach. I think the coach is really important in hockey. But I think that's what's going on and what seems inane in firing a coach who made it to the final four, tinfoil. First, in hockey, they do fire their coaches quite often. And, like, if you have early season stumbles, they'll fire them pretty quickly. But, you know, in the NFL, back in the 90s, you know, I grew up with Tom Coughlin,

and I always knew he was a top five coach in the NFL. And he went to multiple AFC championship games. So you know he was at least a top four guy, but then he lost the locker room. And he got fired. Same kind of guy. Yeah, yeah. And he was a tough guy, really tough guy. I do think you can grade on players at any sport, and sometimes he need change.

And he went and changed and ended up winning two Super Bowls out of it, you know? So, you know, same thing with Andy Reid. He was like a guy who would hit that top four, sometimes top two ceiling with the Eagles and just needed a little change of scenery and, you know, a future Hall of Fame quarterback. Yeah, that was key. Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. But I get your point, like, does anybody look at Marv Levy and go, wow, what a loser?

Marv Levy, who went to four Super Bowls with the Buffalo Bills? He's one of the greatest coaches of all time. And you fire, he didn't get fired, but you're firing coaches now who are doing things that 90%, literally 90% of your league would kill for to get to these places that these guys have gotten to on a consistent basis. Maybe not for Tibado necessarily, but for, DeBoer. Like, DeBoer has been what? You had the stat the other day. Six of the last seven Western Conference Finals

with three different teams. The sharks, the knights, and the stars. Exactly. That's a heck of a thing to walk away from if you're saying, yeah, we just need a different voice. And I think the Knicks need to be careful here walking away. I mean, it's too late. They've already done so, but they've walked away from somebody who's done what, if not 90, 85% of the rest of the league would kill for to make the Eastern Conference Finals. Okay, that's going to do it for us today.

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